 Don't need a laptop. We'll just read the comments over here We're live. Well, there's a number three hundred forty seven 60 days post merger. I've do that in there the software use tech talk and This is just technical and there's always gonna be some weird random questions some stuff But we actually want to start with some really old hardware Yes That's what brings me up here today. Yeah, we had a client reach out referred by some guy, you know Yeah, some other local IT company apparently this guy been calling around looking for somebody to work on a Unix system and he said Unix not Linux. I like that. It said Unix. He said Unix and I'm like, oh man, okay That'll be fun. It's probably sco Drive up there The store was using dumb terminal like a third 320 vt 320 with a modem on it calling across the streets I go across the street. Yeah, it's definitely a Dell PowerEdge 2300 running sco 5 and wow It was it was something it was some good times I fixed his problem which had nothing to do with the operating system and had everything to do with this crazy line of business Software that some accountant had written in cobalt I did not have to do cobalt. Luckily. I've played with cobalt. We have a younger audience too At least so I figured I'll share what a vt 320 is. Oh Which this was the green model not the not I like I preferred the amber model myself. I'm a green or amber I'm I've used both but yes They're both good. Yeah, so I we basically ended up wiping one of his data files and it He's like the data in the file is important to me The ability to write new data to the file is what allows me to print invoices and things so Yeah, he lost some data We have it I backed up the file if he wants it later we can dig into it But this was crazy. It was insane. You have a picture of the inside of this hardware. Oh, yeah Yeah, let me get that picture pulled up Did I save it a lot of all this is in the we have so many selection. I'll be afraid with selection when we do that in Open the browser because then I can show the tab Then I can do that I think There we go. Yes. So this was the inside of it and It was Notice the yellow the yellow warning light flashing on it. So I'm like man this thing is sick something is wrong with it I'm like And the main drive is really slow, and I'm like, I think it might be Have a dead drive in it, but I'm afraid to pull the dust off of the drive indicators Yeah, if they're dead because I mean, there's only three. There's only three. No, there's down below. There's more. Oh, yeah Yeah, I didn't notice those might be blanks up top. I have no idea I was not going to disturb the dust holding your system together. Well, these could be dead because there's no lights But there's lights on these and they were all green in the end I actually did get brave enough to like he's like if you won't do it, I'll do it I'm like, yeah, you probably need a vacuum, but I would be very careful Yeah, boy, that's rough. Oh, it's terrible. I mean, it was great. It was a fun. It's one of those things that Occasionally I'll take something like that just because it reminds me of my childhood first of all And it's fun to fix things that no one else will touch. I'm like, I Like I can fix weird things like this. I'm like, if I don't if I can't fix it I don't even know who to tell you to call Yeah, yeah, there's that's true and I'm The you know, I have a video that if people who's good at Ocent here on the channel will figure this out I've shared this so you guys can dig around from years ago. I let myself on fire fixing a computer for someone Pro tip even though the soldering gun the gas one is running low You should still turn it off before refilling it But I will refilled it many times while it was running because it was a hard to light one the light Dignitor was broke on it. So you always had to light it by hand. I were using a gas on our air electronics Because it was fast. I don't play. Yeah. Yeah, it was fast customer had it was hard down calls me And it's got like several blown caps won't come on anymore I said I can get this fixed in an hour So I posted out the soldering gun and they were like down the street from my office I went to my office and I didn't feel like waiting for electric one and now like they were the big caps on the power supply So I popped them off really quick and I put two in that got to that last one and Gun hold on. I'll just do this real quick. I Was in go and I have it on security cameras because we had cameras in the office So I was engulfed in flames for a moment lost my eyebrows But then I Right, I even though once I realized I was other than missing eyebrows. Fine I wouldn't put the other soldered it in real quick and when the other guys ran to back over to replace work fine And of course, they never wanted to replace it. We're like you should replace it now We can work on a plan, but you fixed it was there and yeah, I'm like the same thing here I mean ask I you know, I'm gonna go back to the office through a little bit of research as best I can tell no backups I Sco is I'm almost certainly some sort of security problem, but we were kind of talking about the oh, yeah Does anyone have shellcode that runs on sco? This is security antiquity. Yeah, it's so old. No one's gonna hack it Yeah, it I'm sure it doesn't support us this age. I mean doesn't even have a less Right like and that's the whole thing. It's using one of the old keyboards where the backslash and the Pipe are down in the lower right really. Yeah, that's hard that screwed me for so many times and then yeah PSEF right because it's a system five, right? So you got to use all the system fives to the BSD style commands. It's fun It's fun. Yeah an hour and 20 minutes up there and got him. I see people mentioning cobalt So yeah, probably only tell that that's oh, yeah, 100% only tell that and then yeah in the modem So apparently if you know the phone over you can dial into this thing after hours You know where Tom lives so somebody somebody by the end of this video or we'll be war dialing Trying trying to find this wayward school box Yeah, you know, it's there's only gray beard hackers that are more dialing these days Yeah, but speaking of antiquity and hardware. We will be at the just couple days. Oh, yeah. Yeah VCF VCF vintage computer Fest so I'm excited because like I get to go see a bunch of other youtubers on your doubt on Yeah, I think Adrian Black's gonna be there. Yeah, and I think you soggy electric Saw maybe was gonna be there. I know David Murray's gonna be there and a couple of the others So yeah, I know a couple others They haven't announced yet that they're going but I know they told me they're going so I'll let you know after shows I don't want to announce it on here. I'll let them reveal where they're gonna be and if it's I don't know if it's a surprise or not so but Hoping Jay Jay from learn Linux TV. He's still a maybe he's got some things schedules and stuff like that but yeah, the Vintage computer festival Midwest is in Chicago this year. So that's oh Number nine Tom's CWR swag. I so I actually have a polo and Slacks on today. Yeah, it's going to a client. I'd never been to Jason looks much more professional times. I'm still wearing whatever shirts, you know, the best advertising the company sent me shirts And they're nice and soft. I just put them on so it's like the best advertising is I'll wear people's shirts And I like what's on them. I just bought the more of the dare style ones in a better shirt That's more I like that one happens to be laying over there I because I did that video and I put it on there and that's what I don't remember He said there's a giant cushion in my in my office and I never use it But I throw clothes on it I meant to bring shirts up and I meant to bring access points up I forgot them and I set up my Maraki account We are going to do a Maraki versus Unify because I know people want to see that so Yeah, I have three access points in mr 3345 and a 46 so a couple a couple different generations a couple different product lines essentially and then a firewall bring it to an mx64 Yeah, because we we had quit a debate going last vlog. There's a Jason Interjecting saying Unify sucks and there's a lot of things that you know if I sucks about not saying if I sucks I'm saying there are use cases for everything. They're still use case for sco apparently. Yeah, there's still We do have a Company we're talking with now that went to the Unify modeler and in about a 215,000 square foot building He calculated needed 76 AP's and we have a client that's got about that much space I'm using 33 Maraki's in there. So if that's really the case. He needs 76 that would be fairly compelling the problem is and You know, it's funny because Cody from act.com networks There's a lot of you in five videos and he was talking about some of the new changes are making with the Unify designer One of the problems and I don't know I haven't used it in a long time But it would only show you like the five gigahertz and I'll show it Okay that so if you just default it's like only default in that so it gives you this higher density need than you actually have Is all those things like the tools cool that they have I'm glad they provide some really neat planning tools Matter of fact, they're site to site planning tool is really cool Yeah, that one because it has all the elevations in it so you can pick any two points and give you elevation It even calculates One certain things are in the way. It's got just a lot of neat stuff But once again cool tools doesn't mean if you open up to the amateurs No, it's uh, I used I have the floor plans now I'll probably end up throwing it in tamagraph and inside out which is uh not Yucca Hano or whatever the really expensive one is but it's like the mid-range wireless planning tool and so I'll probably end up Throwing it into that. I can do both ubiquity and Meraki, yeah, rocky in it and like he says it does 2.45. We know it does it But we know sometimes people don't check that box and they're only looking at one One of the bandwidth That's how most of the consulting goes is so much of it is not Really a problem with the product as often as it is a configuration that someone has done that doesn't work right 100% Yeah, that is I actually one of my my favorite jokes is we get paid way too much to set things back to default because But it's really what it's really sometimes like they twisted all the knobs and then they called us because it doesn't work I'm like, um, yeah, you just those that check by default box Yeah, the one that says do not touch this button. You probably shouldn't have pressed it Yeah, the uh Who is it the is it one of the heads? Delphi. Oh hell's pasca. Delphi. These are the heads of pf sense had a great reply He said this a couple times in the comments though when people say, you know, what should I change from the defaults? Uh, what are the best settings and he goes if there were better settings, I'd make them the default No, but that's not true. Uh, the stage table is way undersized out of the box I think oh 100% I mean, I'm pretty sure the one in your office runs out of stage A non-zero amount of times only when we run uh run zero Only time it runs out of states. Uh, so if you're running run zero across all the vlands I mean, I have several I think we have three in the cnwr network in production and same thing I run them out of state table. I just 10 times the size of the state table the cam and trees the the ram and stuff you use for that It's so minute I mean, maybe that maybe the default on a box like on a you know DDWRT or some sort of like, you know 128 meg ram Raspberry Pi or something you're trying to run, but I mean I'm running these things. They've got four gigs of ram It's I don't care you can throw a really big state tables 128 megs at state table. I don't really care. I'd rather not run out Ooh, I Am a converted. I am a reformed emacs user Really? Yeah, so I watched a video last night It just intrigued me and it's funny because I love it's almost a 30 minute video and at the 15 minute bag goes mark It's all about being productive with different tech senators And he starts out with like he he agrees with me like all the people that think what is that one? That there's like a million youtube videos on all the tech centers Obsidian Yeah, well, he's like there's like cult around almost There's like too much around it But by the time he gets 15 minutes in he goes just admit if you're 15 minutes in this video You're not actually thinking about productivity. You're just sucked in but the guy broke down all the different editors and in the end Neo vim is what he landed on. Yeah, but man, he spent about 10 minutes on emacs Um, and really I was impressed with what it can do. He I think he uses the is it called doom emacs? Yeah, yeah, I was impressed. There's I used a a text editor and this is I'm really dating myself called jet Which was I think joe's own editor or jet's own editor or something. It was some guy that made Some ui framework, and I forget what the ui framework is even called But it was a neat text editor that had emacs bindings that shipped in slackware three I think I'm Probably slackware two or slackware three and I use that for years And so I learned the key the emacs key bindings and then I started doing c more and The the workflow for c and emacs is superior At least was superior to the workflow and vim And it wasn't until I started doing ruby that I ended up going back to vim because the workflow for Ruby inside of emacs was basically non-existent Because no one no one that used emacs bothered to ever learn ruby because they're still coding assembly So well one of the funny things I thought was they were talking about how he thought he was going to run emacs on a raspberry pi And that failed because it was so slow So then he bought one of those little microcomputers He said picture because I bought this while it was dedicated rise in microcomputers just to run emacs guys I was like wow But by the time so I run vim uh with neo vim and a bunch of plugins and by the time you get all the plugins installed in vim It might as well be the same thing. I've got uh So justin you've met justin a couple times. He's we have a I have two java devs on staff. He's one of my java devs he codes uh, he coached java and vim and He's got some sort of plugin that has headless eclipse running in the back side so he still gets a lot of the uh, a lot of the ID features in vim But by the time you're doing that It's also a slowz emacs, right? Yeah, you know now you're shelling out or you know You're hitting a web interface to do completions and all that other stuff. It's Yeah, it's not a text editor at that point. It is an operating system, right? Would you replace muraki deployments with pf sense? There's different use cases and we and him have actually gone a little a little round and round a couple times about Like how that would work out. It depends on yeah 100 percent depends on the use case use case because this ties into the It ties also into the thing that uh, the facebook thing which is related to the scope thing If you're not going to touch it ever again Buy and install muraki, right because muraki is going to keep muraki at the date You're going to get next generation firewall features. You're not going to have to tinker with it, right? It's just going to work It's it's going to be more expensive. It's going to have a licensing fee Uh, but it's going to come with the tallows threat feed. It's going to come with which is you know for business You say I think a thousand bucks a year, right? So like you you can't It's not an apples to apples comparison. Uh, but if I was just doing like layer three firewall stuff and didn't need any firewall pfcents all day Yeah, and it's not there's a learning curve Well, we have a pretty good staff that are very knowledgeable So as long as you are going to maintain it because one of the things I hate and we My favorite was one of the clients we took over had pfcents already, which was like, hey cool. This is familiar Um, but in the way on there was a rule that said allow all i'll fix this later was the comment At least you have to comment And uh firewall roles and pfcents are dated so it'd been like that for a couple years Oh, by the way, we were there because they were hacked so So we quoted them as the client and um, so it it's I don't know what they were trying to accomplish I know it had something to do with the phone system because it was actually their phone system They got hacked they had put a plan rule to allow everything to go to the phone system Yeah, because it's easy because it's easy and they didn't have good passwords. Um The it was it was But the way they knew the phone system had was hysterical the bill came Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I mean that's normal. Yeah, we had uh Back in the day, I guess last job two jobs ago We had a finality phone system Which there was free pbx essentially with some sort of like finality branding on it and they used some sort of weird reverse ssh tunnel Methodology to manage them. So yeah, this thing would establish an ssh channel back to them And then they could come across that tunnel to do to so their web interface to make changes to this on-prem free pbx box essentially Somebody hacked the control server In across hundreds of clients was doing tool fraud and our our provider caught it like almost immediately and whacked it If you are running just pro tip if you are running void disable international calling Oh, yeah, unless you need it unless you need it, uh, or you know, rest very much restrict it And or have a separate calling path with it with very direct limits Because what they do is they they set up numbers. I think they're in like the grand camons or something And it's like six hundred dollars a call or something. They're very expensive and they just keep calling it over and over So it's like basically they call them up a 900 number That they're calling over and over that's very expensive and they're getting the charges. They run the line And that's what that's what they're doing. Um, this is where like the wi-fi experience indicator I don't like it. It's stupid This is one of those this is one of the problems I've had a lot with unifying. Rocky's is stupid too by the way Well, it's it's this thing they do I'll let you I can show you this one show this tab bring it back up So the unify gives you these pretty graphs But if you try to do anything you know, those are useless because one of the problems is Especially if you try to drill down there's a complete lack of time series on all the data. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, and I'm like, why Why did you what's the skill there? This gives you time series here, but when you try to dig into like certain If you try to get more information your experience is like excellent or not excellent They give you these really vague terms number is a very arbitrary number. Um, how many good units is connecting? Yeah, it doesn't I don't only make this clickable anymore That's just grafana. It looks like it does look a lot like grafana Here's the overall can you slide that to make it better? No Yeah, it's so vague. Oh, yeah It doesn't really I'm I've never really used this to tell me anything It makes people happy because look how like from a view standpoint matter of fact I've done this in some of my b-roll. I'm like, look at all this. Ooh. Ah, isn't it? It's nice animations What are you gonna do about this information? The reality of it is is like the real actual information there is like our client's not connecting because of dhcp Are they not connecting because they're associating with the wrong Key or they're not connecting because they're out of range or have poor signal Like those are like the score is useless like tell me that this client is not connecting because dhcp is failing 87% of the time That's what I really care about. Yeah, and that's the thing too. Like even some of this the way they do these Expand out like yeah, who's who's network engineer they're using there. That's an open source Uh, uh, visualization of devices too, but it doesn't do anything Helpful, you know they mean when you do this it does like why even bother with this if I can't even scroll up and down Like it doesn't give you the option. You got to zoom in and out. It's got so many limits I like this view. I just don't care about the client views that are out here It well, it's cool if you're a home user It looks but once you're out of the home user market it breaks and even a lot of home users have enough devices I do. I mean three clients or something if you uh When we get the maraki stuff down here set up we can set all that cup on it too So you can show what that looks like too. Yeah Because it has pretty decent visualizations And this is um me and eric are gonna do a video about the Oh, it's just to directly answer this question. It doesn't mean anything But uh me and eric are gonna talk about the Omada stuff the tp link omada and I mean, you know too. It's just so like I don't I have not done much consulting at omada Eric has yeah, he's done more than he ever wants to do So he has opinions and he's willing to share them. So we're gonna drop that information on there Yeah, I'll do a video about it because it that way it's a good follow-up because I don't want to give people It worked in the lab when I set it up But that's to be expected. It's a lab environment In I when I try to bring a review to the audience here I want to bring a review of what did this look like in the field? How did it actually perform? Where did it fall over blah blah blah? That's way more information That's hard to do Yeah, but with enough consulting it's a lot of this year Yeah, you have to find a client that does it because I can't go It's really hard to rip out like a third of a client's wireless environment I install another vendor but Eric has now consulted on enough project where it was installed He knows where the bugs are when you actually go to production deployments And it's the same thing with unify. We know exactly where the bugs are especially with the controller Um, either unify's got a really nice write-up on the variables you need to adjust for a 300 plus access point install It's documented. It's nobody follows it. It's I don't know why if you google search Like I have a video titled that and all that but that has been a popular consulting I have all these errors. As a matter of fact, you'll get a bunch of stun errors because it'll only take in so many At a time they just have a rate limit in it. I'll just do is bump the number up But the problem is have to do that in our controller Yeah, we did it in ours and that's how we're able to have 80 separate sites with no issues at all Yeah, you just bump up the number But we've had a couple of them where they just couldn't get the wi-fi and they're like, oh, unify is not stable The first problem was they did read the documentation and did do that Then they had one gig around to the machine. I'm like, so there's another part of the documentation It's java. It's yeah, it's java with mango with mango You can't maybe one or the other would partially run with one gig. Both are not running Oh, by the way, I talked to riley chase he runs I think it's he's got 4 000 servers and he's got 32 000 access points. He's got a breakdown of all the numbers um He knows how to tune it at a different level of scale because he hired two former ubiquity people to work for him To rebuild it so it will scale the way that he wants it to it's a really slick deployment the way he did it on the back And he's very public about it That's his whole thing. It's mango. That's that's my secret My secret problem with unify is that the controller runs mango db? yeah Linus tech built a true dance system about a year ago. Is there anything Uh about particular build differently recall video minus Minus not using eccm home user right now. You don't need ecc for home user. You just It's a nice to have but not a requirement on There's nothing wrong. There's if you type in Um, brian moses is a friend of mine like fine pull it up real quick I am moses True nasty. Thank you google for auto completing this for me Uh, but you can easily find this. This is brian brian moses does every single year a new true nas diy build This year he went a little separate because he actually um bought a bunch of motherboards from alibaba So he could sell them to people because it's a really cool board. It's ideal for his nas build So he imported a bunch of them and was just selling them at cost He may have some more of them. Is that the board? I wonder if that's the board they're using in like the top 10 Yeah, it's it's a top 10 board. Yeah, because some of those have like six sata ports on them and everyone's like that doesn't make any sense Yeah, so he's it's this top 10 board and this was his uh more budget. It's a top 10 and 15 oh five Yeah, I well edmund. I gotta I'll talk about in a second, but he tells you all the case choices why he made him He does this he doesn't give away every year too. You can set it for but he does a nice job of breaking these down for That's cool. Let's look at that. Yeah, he also does all the memory testing I gotta have him on a channel sometime. He has a youtube channel That he doesn't post throughout the he posts like once a year or a couple times a year to talk about this Dinas, but he's been doing this for 10 years now since the 2013 And then he'll do an econo edition So on and so forth. So yeah, look up brian moses and he's got probably about better than or more realistic than what Linus has and I'm I got another email from our friends over at 45 drives. This is exciting They are working on the hl 15 and We're going to get some better pricing on it. That's their home lab 15. So it's a 15 drive unit They're going to be able to sell to you as a chassis to build it yourself or with a uh inexpensive motherboard would toss They're tossing around some options. Uh, this came out of the creator summit You can watch it on 45 drives You can watch chef gearling did a video on it techno tim did a video on it But I think it's a great idea for the home lab. I like what they did. It's a rack mount Or you can glue feet on the bottom just tip it up and make it a tower. It's up to you So it's like lenovo or dell. Yeah, it's like lenovo The rack mount kit that turns that desktop into a for you. Yep rack mount. Yeah, so they're keeping it really simple They want to make it affordable. So they're trying to get it to this whole sub $1,000 price for that Which is nice. I mean, you know being able to get a nice Well-built metal chassis that by the way no popper bits in these this is how the 45 drive system themselves are built Like they're big ones, which we just ordered an xl 60, which I'm excited about We're gonna be talking about that. Oh, and what are we getting for that one? It's like a hundred gig networking and yeah It's got a hundred gig networking and a petabyte again Another petabyte usable. Yeah, it's got it's all 20s 60 20s. I think in it. Yeah I we're still a little afraid of the 22s Uh, let's see Would really be interested no motto review. I'm using it have no major issues max 20 house I don't think it's going to be terrible for your home users and If you just have the basic needs and that's what my lab testing revealed I use it at my house. I replaced my stuff with a motto ran it for like 30 days and said it works But i'm not a really trying environment. Yeah, let's be real like the stuff I see no offense to anyone out there The stuff I see a lot of these people trying to do in their home labs and that that some kids are coming in for It's like you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. Yes So but I also in coming back to the facebook discussion, uh, which Robert Roach and that second year Um dealing with some of the other it people I've seen a lot of it people that Want to deploy this at businesses and things like that and I would caution them heavily like no I wouldn't deploy this for a business. I wouldn't put wouldn't but my business That's a tp link stuff. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot of discussion on that 2300. He definitely had one. Okay. Yeah I saw the box It might be in the one picture. I think that I'll look here real quick. Yeah That's funny. Yeah, I mean you're talking with 20 devices and up to 150 guys. You're not You're talking a lot less devices. That's for home stuff. It may be fine The reality though the problem tp link I have is it's only like 20 less than unify It's not like you're saving half And it's a one-time investment in tp link one no clear end-of-life policy To security. Yeah, but they feel like it. Yeah, I mean Otherwise put Just buy a pyre. I mean you can run host a pd and open wrt on anything, right? If you really want to go to the super home or have budget routes build your own I don't uh you'll learn more What was the other someone had a question I don't think it's a fair comparison because uh single board computers you had someone had asked. I lost the question now The raspberry pi versus the Zima board that I got zima board is x86 and has a pcie on the side different world different world I like the zima board. I think they're great. I like the raspberry pi I think they're great, but the problem is availability. I know the availability is Not as bad as it was on raspberry pies But when you started seeing the prices of them be as much as an x86 zima board You're kind of like, huh, which way do I go? I think the pie availability problem is starting to go. Yes. Yeah, so I mean Yeah, I mean before you start asking about what about all these other Uh single board computers, uh, I always encourage people to watch jeff gearlings video because he breaks down the problem with The support and how difficult those are That all the drivers and everything else the raspberry pi did a good job of having all the drivers available A million projects are like here flash the image to this card Stick it in enjoy the enjoy the product and uh, I think that was what made the raspberry pi so popular was accessibility And documentation and drivers, etc, etc But all of it like literally the last several discussions We've just had come down to the tinker ability versus the just works factor Right and there's a fairly sliding skill there and even the muraki versus unify or the muraki versus pf Sense fall into the same range, right? It's like if you want a commercially supportive product That's likely just going to work with the clear end of life policy and Supported hardware and all the other things then buy the expensive one And then you can go cheaper from there all the way down to you know a knockoff raspberry pi That's half the price that may or may not have kernel drivers You may be custom compiling kernels, right like I can do all that stuff Yeah, I don't I don't do that stuff I'm muraki my house these days because I need this I need my other network to just work I have a play network I'll play on the play network, but I can't not have my wife be able to work from home because the Homegrown thing I was running for wireless went down. Yeah, and um To kind of put a cap on that the zima zima raspberry zima running pf sense You can't run a pf sense on a raspberry pi So yeah, because there's no but zima comes with two network interfaces and why is that? Ah, they just don't have a pretty nasty as an arm port, uh, but pf sense. That's not they don't plan on it at all Yeah, I bet you I can make that work There's probably ways to make it work, but yeah There's do they publish or build chain? No, okay, so the codes fail. Okay. Yeah, but there's not a there's not a good manifest to build it from so uh Six yes, so network chuck There is a big video coming out with network chuck in 45 drives I'm gonna probably say if he's got six of them the way you daisy jam together is sef so Uh, 45 drives are sef experts and I'm gonna have them on a channel again to talk about it But they have a ton of sef documentation or github. They've got a sef deploy tool that works They have several sef deployment tools in github, but they also have a ui They're working on for sef deploy that works with their uh, cockpit, which is as you uh, well It's not how is houston, which is a fork of cockpit man people lost their mind when I do the houston review because people are so Panantic tom you don't you didn't say that they copied the code. I'm like, yes, I did I said at the beginning of the video It's it's kind of a copy, but you you really need to make it clear that it's a fork of cockpit Not really like it's they don't even hide it themselves. It says it in the notes I'm just showing off the tool guys. So yes, I'm aware it's based on cockpit. Uh, which is cockpit's pretty cool With six it's almost certainly sef. Yeah, it's almost you got six I'm gonna be cluster with six most. Oh, you would not I would not recommend it I would love to with two most times, but I In This I'm not gonna lie. We're not trying to throw any shade. I like where did I exist as reseller? But oh, yeah, well, you could do what we're not just reseller. I like IX systems I don't agree with their choice to go with cluster though Even as someone who resells it and if someone calls us and says, hey, I'd like to buy one of these fancy hundred thousand dollar Uh, IX system m50 dual motherboard amazing Rock solid systems. I'll only sell them the trunas core one. Sorry Like yeah, my shade wasn't at IX systems, right? No, it's but it's a cluster. It's a cluster. Oh, it's a cluster. Yeah I get it. Yeah, as I said, I wanted to clarify I can dislike cluster. I can disagree with chris more of their head of development I think chris is a wonderful person. He's been on the channel before but I just I don't think luster is the right way Use cases, right? Like yes, you know, if you're storing a bunch of media files And you don't have a ton of them. It might be okay. The metadata there is just not great Yeah So it's gonna be um, I'm gonna I'm myself. I spent some time Talking to 45 drives about uh, a lot about staff And myself learning a lot more about it. I'm pretty impressed with it Um, I also you know, someone asked if we're gonna do vmware versus xcp ng. Maybe probably Um, we're gonna definitely have some vmware update videos more likely. I'll do a vmware versus a xcp ng versus proxmox Yeah Proxmox 8 came out. Yeah, I gotta admit and people have mentioned this and I did some digging and started playing with it Proxmox stuff clustering is slick. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They did a nice job. I'll tip of the head to them because If you're a home user proxmox and someone can quote me on this, it's okay It might be a little better for some of the home users who go I don't want to deal with separate storage But that doesn't excuse the scalability problems that you have when you want to build proxmox because I don't know if you we haven't talked to them a little while I'll bring them up later offline But we have a client that runs 4 000 vms in a cluster on xcp ng and they love it They move from vmware and are super happy at the scale. They're able to operate. Yeah I mean zen was built to do that. Yeah, right. So like back in the day and I think it's moved on from them But uh aws was zen based at first just still is. Okay. I thought I thought some of it had gone to kvm So they have the main aws is uh zen and still being pushed out But there are certain ones where they have kvm. There's certain I think the tears the time that's I thought the t-series or I think it's a t-series Vates has a nice write-up on it. Yeah, um, they I think it was vates that did a write-up And so did someone else there's a nice write-up on how they use them because they actually are Amazon is still co-contributors to the main core zen because it's still being it's still expanding But they're also they have a use case for kvm as well Which technically Which I thought was funny technically zen is the most world most used hypervisor in the world not xcp and g but zen's server is because Of amazon of course amazon uses 50 percent of all wrist chips in use right now or at amazon that was revealed to By the way risk and zen if you start googling it, you'll find there's a ton of it I didn't know the automotive space used the zen core as well. That's how they passed out all the uh functions in automotive In the car wrist processors are fairly more common in the specialty industry than you would imagine they are Yeah, for sure. Yep Could you arrange more rigorous security tests suite for your switch router reviews? maybe Yeah, what do you want tested? That's kind of a vague question And trying to trust me everyone's trying to find holes in in certain name of yeah, we could get that one guy to do it Xavier no, they're uh Ken pile guy. Oh god Find all of our html injection bugs. I know my html injection bugs. So Uh, I mean it depends on what you I think the question is maybe we could put together a test suite to do something But we have scanning tools. I don't think they're gonna test every one of them Like yeah, and what and how are they gonna find it? Like what do you what do you want to find on on a router and things like that ubiquities got an entire bug brownie program So what do you I mean? I I thought it was funny because uh, My oh, I have an old video on tp link and this is one of those security example problems With tp link you could set whatever vlan you want but The if you knew the ip range of the management interface It doesn't matter what you set the vlan to you could just set the ip address of your computer and get to the management interface No matter what vlan is running. It's ever vrf. Yep, because they didn't run this ever vrf So, uh, that was definitely I that's really common by the way. That's probably not unique to them No, it's not. Yeah, uh, if you dig around Yeah, and cisco actually had a bug years ago He said vlan hop cisco. It's an old bug Uh, the way you vlan, uh, david bombal has a video on how you vlan hop a modern cisco But I You can properly call him out Uh, he has to turn on non default settings that most people wouldn't turn on in a cisco switch So while he did it by getting between two cisco switches and to be injecting into the shrunk port. It's still kind of Yeah, it it's esoteric. It's not something it's not a common attack It's not something we're going to read in the news every day. So it's like the attack So i've got a client of ours. That's flaggin scp Because you can use it for privilege escalation and all this other stuff and it's like those aren't it it's not I can just ssh Right, it's like right. Oh, I can run commands with scp. It's like, yeah, but i'm not running any systems where I can only scp Like if everywhere I can scp, I can ssh too, right? I understand and accept that risk. Yeah um Every time I've tried to look at the ruckus site in it. I haven't looked recently But it's always a disaster. I can't tell their product line They got acquired by another company in the product Yeah, like the function of the product is fine, but documentation in that is just it's on you Um large-scale wireless. They were really good at yeah, like they are like stadium Scale or university campus scale. They're really good at it But they're in sorting out what needs a license and what doesn't boy that we a couple a few episodes ago That turned into like his long threaded debate of which models do and don't require licenses because the licenses expire and i'm like So it just made it confusing See, we're going to cut this off in an hour right at 37 minutes now So okay for some reason my pools and true dance have permission set to apps for the owner group child I said turn a root problem is Any problems I might encounter like that watch my permissions video and I explain why it does that There's there's reasons it does it but you can do that and you can add multiple people You have to set if you're using apps you want to set apps as the primary but then there's still some Extra use cases where you you have to read it in forums Certain apps may need another permission another user on there in my permissions video I explain that part of it, but then I tell you you have to go look for more This is where they are using facoles or is it just basic unix? Oh, no, they're they're using all the zfs acl stuff. So they're doing that part right They just gave you one of the most horrific interfaces for setting it up Yeah, the uh, oh god the the ui. Um, this is another I'm not so admittedly I have not touched scale at all. I've used core a ton, but I've never even logged into a scale box Yeah, the problem is going to be when you look at how the We'll look at one of the which one of these has something on it with permissions Probably be LTS video one But this permission editor is just ugly And if you try to add stuff, okay, it's really weird like this is the built-in users built administrators But if we want to add an item It's just like a put user question mark, but then we're going to change it to this Then we can we choose it up here. Oh, that's gross But whenever you choose up here changes here. That's so confusing. Like why does that change this not this even though you can put a who here There's uh, it's just a weird ui I walked through it's why I made it a dedicated permissions video to walk through the silliness of how they did it You can have multiple groups multiple users You can add groups you can build a group and add all the users to it There's a lot of different ways to if you know them. I know a really good ux consultant They can hire not us, but I know one of the foremost ux experts in the country Who will cry when he sees that? Yeah, I I don't understand why they didn't copy churnas core like I I'm I don't know so this is one of the reasons it needs a video not only because permissions are complicated But also because they did it in a complicated way Oh in this problem of how why by default they only use half that's a that's the linux debbie and specifically only uses half of the um ARC Yeah, but there's no way to set this there's no there's no like tunables like there are because I know on the churnas core There are definitely bugs in the 11 3 Low range where arc would just run away and use all the ram in the system And you had to manually set the arc size with the advanced tunable And here's how tom tunes it we we have a shutdown a startup command. Yeah, okay, let's echo this so Yes, why this isn't exposed somewhere. I don't know so in in uh in core Right, you can set that via Basically a system tunable because that's sys control. Yeah core that sets it and there's a whole section for that in core Where you can set the arc max that way. Yeah Yeah But that's the same thing that you can set that with the sys control almost certainly Yeah, have you had issues with you? You know, this is one of the reasons I don't do chris This is where here's my youtuber problem. I have So chris from cross talk solutions does this and we we've talked about it We know it gets the views if I were to just do a bunch of speed comparisons of wi-fi devices You'll get a ton of views on that video. The problem is wi-fi Um, we had a lazy susan at the office and we put the laptop on it and we were speed testing it and turning a laptop speed testing it Turning a laptop around in circles yielded different results constantly because why would it not? Yeah, exactly But then this is the challenge is when you're trying to get a consistency out of it You have to do so many numbers to then try to create an average So you basically for that test to be valid you have to have a jig that holds the device under test constant and The axis point constant and you basically have to have a Faraday cage around the room Yeah It's the only way and I think that linus was trying to build something like that in one of those rooms to be able to do that Linus talked about it. Uh, wendell from level one tax Me and him me and him actually talked about is he wanted to build a he's he's got a rant on twitter From a year ago me and him were I think me and him were talking about it But he's just gonna build a faraday cage Like it's on his to-do list to build one Just to test wi-fi because it's such a pain You know, it won't get them used the video talking about the rf theory about why that's true Oh, yeah But People want to know why it's faster. It's not fast, but there are so many variables in that there is one of the weird things I can't write the term is called. It's a reflection problem. So if my laptop is Like if i'm the wi-fi and he's the laptop Someone standing on the other side or not standing on the other side will reflect signal back Yeah, the multi-path So you could actually even though we're in direct line and nothing has interfered the line of sight Someone on the other side because it'll bounce the reflection back. It'll actually kill it. Yep. Oh, if the uh optical orthonical Orthonical multiplexing. Yes. Yes, that uh, that is definitely a thing in those types of systems. I am Uninventedly a kd8 bfn. I am a ham radio operator. So I have a little bit of rf theory Yeah, isn't it cool? Those the um, how you have to create the I call it the big balloon bubble when you have sites large scale site to sites It's not the friend the friend so curve or things like that. Yeah. Yeah I dove into this a while ago to talk about it. Uh, I have a video about it But once again, like she says it's not a really popular video. I dive into the specs in the rfc Not those popular video, but I still reply to people who say how does the roaming work? I'm like Here here's a video on it. Here's the rfc. Here's the video on the rfc Take take your pick 20 years ago We did a nine mile point-to-point link over lake eerie using a yogi to get wireless in my aunt's cottage on lake eerie My friend's wireless isp Uh proxmox is great once you graduate from virtual box like cp and g's next little from there. Yeah Yeah, I think that's that's actually really fair. Yeah, that's a good say Um, I would love proxmox to come out with a sand appliance. That's not happening. That's not their market Yeah, you need something different. You need something different. Use trueness Yeah, I try and by the way You you do have sep support as in sep support if you want it plugged into xcp and g They don't natively support sep in the system. They're not creating the sep System, but if you have a sep cluster, you would like to tie to it They have the facility But usually if you're presenting sep you're going to present maybe an nfs Yeah, or ice guzzy or ice guzzy on the sep cluster to the device So it's agnostic to the actual protocol on there But the sep protocol is actually supported in xcp and g is a storage object If we do about I mean 90 of the trueness boxes if you're running are just presenting ice guzzy. Yeah, that's all we do on them Yeah, that super comment. Yeah Uh, what are your thoughts on opinions on mid span poe splitters? Uh I would use not the so I have used and tested extensively. Where are you finding those? Um by I wouldn't buy them. I would not buy the trend net ones go for the meeker tick ones They're just freaking amazing the meeker tick mid span you can you can chain two of these things together and get Way more range than you would expect out of these with poe repetition texas poe All right. Yes, I've had those before I think they make the chips that go in most of the other ones anyway So, uh, we've used texas poe But what I really want to know is where you're getting an 802 11 ap that only takes totaled input Oh, yeah, that's that's what I really want to know like 1997 called and I want their exit point back I think trend net has ones like that because they have the little adapter on the side I don't know because you're trying that chips are a thing Uh For switching check for bomb really known vlan hopping plus run scan tools against the ui I mean If i'm testing tp even so even the vlan hopping thing is only access in the case of the tp link thing It's only access to the control plane, right? It's not actually uh, it's not actually Allowing you to get from one vlan to another is it No, he wouldn't let you get one vlan even on the even on the stupid tp link when I tested it wouldn't get one to another It's just let you get to the control plane if you haven't firewalled off, right? Yeah, I mean, that's not I don't really consider that I consider that control plane leakage. I don't really consider vlan hopping would be being on vlan 605 and being able to talk to stuff on 610 And if if they're messing that up then they're doing something really bad because that is almost entirely controlled By the switch chip on the box. They're not that that stuff's not cp. You wrote it. Yeah Uh Best way to share my music data sets follow my permissions video. I break down how to get permissions to other apps Uh, you can't see a little high compared to your usual standard. Yes, it is There's something about it looks good contrasty here. Yeah, it looks contrast there. It's soft there But it's soft here. It's something about the live stream I yeah Yeah, it looks really it looks it looks absolutely amazing up there I was commenting before we started about how good the glass looks there. Oh, and by the way, here's my field monitor Yeah, it looks like crap in the field monitor too. So yeah, well, it's the field is lower res, but the contrast is good Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's a that's an 89 dollar field. It's soft in it, right? Like that's my complaint is that it seems. Yeah. Well, just look at the contrast. We're not is Yeah, correct. Like look how pop the colors are for our shirts better. That's true It's like every step of the chain is a little Yeah, but it's completely a stream problem because the output's fine. Yeah I'll see Get to the bottom of these because it's fine in the uh, it's fine in the teleprompter too The vexate you step rdb could provision Support me closer a proxmox that way. Yeah, but they're not going to build it I can tell you right now you can put a request in you can go to the forums and you'll get a response from Oliver and his team They're not going to build sef into it. It's not even on the roadmap. They are though looking more more than I expected Um, they are looking at building zfs Uh, they have zfs support, but not natively and they're looking at building more zfs support for snapshots I thought that was kind of cool. So I think if I had to guess right so When sef breaks much like the underlying networking in docker or or gubernettis It breaks in spectacularly explosive ways and they don't want to support it Right like zfs doesn't break like that right it's one box You're not going to mess up the stuff where the metadata is all disconnected or you have parts of files in 18 different places You're going to have to recover Right, it's it's not going to that failure mode doesn't exist. So I think in many cases it comes down to supportability. Yes and and that's Even from like cnwr standpoint for what we sell someone so the customer comes at us and we want to solve a problem for the customer We don't slap the most complicated room We always start with what's the minimal we could do to get this working in a very supportable manner. Yep It matters a lot You don't want to sell people things that's hard to support because that hard to support Even if we are able to support it it comes with a price tag The more specialized you get the smaller the population of people that understand it can support it You can get right like there are the the population of people that understand zfs at the level required to troubleshoot this is large We'll call it a hundred thousand Yeah, right the the population of people that may understand sepp in that way We'll call it 10,000 right so it's a lot those people are a lot more expensive to hire and they're a lot harder to find Yep, and if you ever need your zfs recovery done, I can only name four people that can do that There's allen jude over at claire systems. There's uh You hear watch I'll send you the video you watch wendell's video on how he's recovered file systems and he wrote a database for it No, but I should because I it's so good to a lot and it said yeah, so he's uh, yes Wendell was able to he did a video on recovering Linus's system that he crashed Because they they didn't know how to send it to so they sent it to wendell And he really he was able to recover like a quarter or half a petabyte worth of data Which was amazing because they broke it spectacularly They did everything wrong like linus was the exact. How do you run a zfs wrong? They deleted all the scrubbing and didn't scrub for years years of not scrubbing and that's how they lost it but So that last comment from chris christ is correct Which one Probably likes to be not having separate is now you can't deploy fully hyper coverage of barriers also their product market Um, their new xo star is in preview right now. They want you to use xo saying yep They're xo saying well the new one you you look at the old one If you even ask if you ask the people like cp and jeter like yeah, xo saying two is coming out soon Yeah, don't look at spaghetti code over here That he has a whole write up if you uh, I've referred to it a couple times They did a write up on all the problems With the current spaghetti code like they completely said this is how ugly it is But this is why we're rewriting it. This is why it's taking so long as they're not fixing the code They decided to start new and fresh and xo saying Uh xapi v3 and I like the first joke is don't ask us what happened to v2 We're jumping right to three and it is a rewrite. What's that? It's ipv6 It's that's what he said ipv5. He said the same he actually had that's a comment It happened the same thing happened ipv5 happened x xapi 2 So, I mean hyper coverage of infrastructures is buzzword been going to me anyway, right? I mean if the idea is to basically put storage and everything and run everything everywhere then yeah I can solve that six different ways that I can run a container On the box or I can run storage on the box as part of it, right? Is a vm that is on local storage that presents the rest of the stuff and then presents it all back it literally Oracle data appliances. That's what they do. Yeah the the boot system runs They have something called dom 1 right because they're all at least they used to be zen based They have something called dom 1 that basically starts up starts up a cfs Which is zfs with their own oracle clustering stuff on top of it And then it nfs mount sat back on the boxes on the dom 0 to run the storage, right? Like and you can totally do that uh Yeah, the buzzword is around it and people thinking they need it so Uh xo sand has been previewed for years. You can only even try the association near Server install. Oh, no, that's not true. No, I tried it. Yeah, we'll never do it again, but I tried it Yeah, it's there's a whole right up go to there Well, the nice thing is head over to their forums They are the epitome of an open source company like they develop and are so public stepping you through in the forums They even have their kind of like open discussions of how they're building it talking about all the little details They publish everything on github so you can very closely follow how well it works and what does or doesn't work Matter of fact, I'm actually shocked at how well I don't I left they call it alpha But the new 8.3 runs rock solid. I've been doing a lot of testing with it and it is Right because we needed that for the 226 Yeah, yeah all the little we're running that all over. Yeah, it just works I've had no issues with it all And in any issues you do have I popped in the you can just pop in the forum and boom There's like a reply within 24 hours. I don't understand why I couldn't just trip a new kernel for 8 2 with the driver Uh, they have so many support contracts They just kind of that's why they separate them because that's why they'll say supported like a long-term support Because they offer all the sl a green or something else. So they don't want to disrupt that crowd. I think that's why so, um Cambium kind of strange interface cmi show I haven't looked at them in a number of years So we did that uh, we did that job and stuff. Yes They they they really are niched into the wisp market And they're trying to get more into the other market But it there's a lot of licensing. There's a lot of confusion their lawsuit ubiquity is hysterical I forgot how that got settled. Yeah, I I haven't looked at it. I that was a name. I totally forgotten We used I used them back when I worked for a isp that had w isp components. I totally forgot they existed So, uh, you know about their lawsuit. No, I love this. So unify Was being helpful to the community and there's there's a lot of hacks you can take because essentially the unify devices A lot of them would run open wrt So there's a different way to replace the firmware on them if you just want to mess with the hardware So so cambium for wisp takeovers You could buy new cambium equipment and then you could reflash all of your unify stuff with the cambium firmware And it would all adopt to the cmi show system and unify says that's not fair and they're like, well, why not that way They could actually do replacements of wisp and not adopt unify stuff. It's just reflash all the firmware. I won that I don't know. I think they did. Yeah, I can't imagine unify won that because they allowed it Yeah, I mean you allowed different firmware to put in there. This is why we like our boot loader's friends. I get it It's not it's not great, but this is why we do it At least at least involve jtag. Yeah, uh, no there there is no vmware horizon No, actually, and I think we have a client that we're presently dealing with that with right now that is drawing horizon And I'm like, it's not the same The client is completely aware. So we're cool. Um, yeah, very different things on there. PCYP is kind of cool I like it horizon horizon is cool. It's complicated and very complex and uh, I think matt is a vcpedc So he's actually he's certified for uh desktop. We've done a good amount of it I guess just more understandable We're more understandable than the wan show That's our new slogan. I mean the wan show is it's just it's a different target audience In generally speaking, I would say Linus is a different target audience, you know, yeah, correct. He's more of the gamer Gamer market pro builders people who want to build systems. I I don't do many builds. That's not There's an overlap in a vend diagram, but I don't think it's he's I I sometimes have trouble understanding some of his videos because it's That niche that I don't need I don't care about fps and refresh rates. No, I don't just don't care about it I don't play many games or anything. So I don't like even my son's last computer I leaned on the staff to help me build it because I'm like, I don't know What's a good video card? Well, I mean, I know there's I I can just look at the most expensive one But there's probably more to it than that I still have a rtx 2070 super and I I bought the one that would allow me to play world of warcraft on the highest settings at a reasonable frame rate And that's what I decided or needed They settled can't be me had to pay a fee to you it could be interesting make sense. Yeah, that's cheaper than probably fighting Settling is always the yeah Linus is being gold. Definitely the So the Linus in the drama around it definitely mean gold. I mean, I'm hoping I'm not talking about any of the uh, the culture problems They may have but certainly the other problems of silliness that they had going on not testing properly and all that Yeah, he'll get through it. That was mean gold. I mean, we're all gonna laugh at him and he The goal is for him and any other youtubers to come out better at the end have better testing procedures have better Like hey, here's our process for testing here. So we're going to do it too close to the sun your wings melt it a little bit Hopefully they recovered for you at the ground. Yeah I think they have enough cash flow to recover like they could have kept screwing up further their cash flow rates They have but whatever I don't I wish them no ill will I They're a part of the ecosystem as far as I'm concerned. They pull off their event every year, you know I would like to see more events like the LTX show like it's a pretty big event I want to go the uh, I definitely want to go next year. Um, there's also I think there's room We're going to vintage computer festival and this is a discussion that was had again with a group of youtubers But I think this is worthy of public note having a home lab That'd be cool. I'd be at that area of the week. Yeah, and even though I don't tinker as much. I just don't have time I mean, yeah, you have somehow developed this niche where it's what you do, right? Like I I play sporadically, but Yeah, I I think there's a room in the market for that like this msp geek comes awesome for specifically msp community But somehow if we can side with that not in orlando not in orlando though because it's expensive Calahari calahari Yeah, we gotta find somewhere affordable to do that. But a home lab meetup will be pretty cool. You know what I mean? There's uh Talking talking about all the little boxes and all the little stuff and how you can build your home lab I think there's a market for that. I think it'd be pretty cool in louisville so we can go get bourbon In louisville matter. I know exactly so wendell is right in kentucky. So he wendell from level one I know he would be thrilled to come and uh, if it was especially to be in his area So there's never an event in his area. He's always flying places and derby con I mean derby con was big and was down there for a long time. So I know the the facilities exist to support it I tested tested about at my home and I took it out. I it worked for my testing my testing was 30 days of limited testing not a diverse environment I don't trust it enough and I'm going to bring enough people who did trust it who then hired us to consult with them We're going to bring that knowledge to you pretty soon lct gave me the inspiration to get an it lts gave me the skills You know this one of those things There's different levels and i'm this is not at all in any picking on network chuck network chuck is pretty cool I bet the guy, uh, I like him But there's times when he doesn't go in depth in things and but it takes someone because someone complained to me that I'm too in depth and i'm like, well, i'm not i'm not the first step. I'm not the Basic successful sometimes you need it takes an entire ecosystem I certainly can't make every video of telling you how to put an rj45 cable on all the way to how do you set permissions? Since you're nasty those are very different ends of the spectrum and different Segments, so it kind of takes the community of people you figure out where you get excited and you figure out how in depth You want to go it? I always I also look at it though because sometimes when you see someone more in depth you maybe decide That's not for you It's everyone wants to be a game developer until they realize how hard it is Yeah, I was I was actually just going to tell that story as somebody that teaches has taught like intro to programming classes Everyone came and wanted to be a game developer and everyone left not wanting to dev yeah I mean linus he their videos are cool. They're entertainment, right And I I like them. I watch a good amount of them There's a lot of what not that you can get out of them too Some of his the one they do those server builds for I cringe a lot Yeah Linus is not enterprise it They watch any of his studio tours and you'll see the mess is like when it comes to cable management and structure cabling They are not the channel to follow. I'll just throw it out there my rack at home. It looks nicer than his Is a disaster stuff Um, how install 45 drives on truenas system to show how to do it I think you mean how do you install truenas on 45 drives, which is it's 45 drives is commodity hardware It's just there's nothing special. It's super micro They don't hide it It's generally a super micro board and a custom jbod with a couple lsi controllers in it and an intel network card There are some specific cards that they developed for power management and stuff like that Yeah, uh the backplane itself But they post it all on github along with the 3d prints because they use the 3d printer to print Yeah, that that one that uh, yeah, I don't favorite a video on it Yeah, it's all we had to do a follow-up on it. I did it before you before it was in your hands I did a view I I did like a short video on this tornado because I thought it was cool the way they Um have all the drives eject down there, but yeah the 45 drives. I mean, it's just commodity hardware. So there's nothing Nothing outlandish about installing it whatever x86 based os you want to load It's not priced outlandish either, which is why it's so nice Yeah, or if you follow jeff geerling how to run your 45 drives of the raspberry pi That whole series is wild jeff wrote drivers to make that work He had a lot of bus problems because he has an xl 60 that he had powered with the pi Follow that series you I imagine you've run into PCIe laying their restrictions and a bunch of other Problems just no arm drivers for half the stuff in it. Yeah, he had to he had to do It's a fun video to watch because as to quote jeff geerling. I'd like to do silly things sometimes Because they're fun. Yeah Uh off topic on tango surprise. They don't have wire guard public vp on option like they're tunnel vp Don't have wire guard public vp on connection on tango doesn't I mean you can connect it to one of those No, uh Do you have some on-page policy stuff like unify connect camera to the switch? No I mean we set the vlands for the cameras. Yeah, I mean I so how does it do that right? So there's two ways you can do that You can do that either via llvp or cdp some sort of announcement Or you can do it via mac range and I can spoof both those things So that is not secure at all. Yeah, it's not the way I'd recommend doing it Especially because for that to work the port has to be a trunk port and trunk ports are my friend This is security guy. Yep Uh issues of pf sense status not showing can't say that I have haven't seen that problem at all People replace your motto something else Yeah, it's just it's the edge cases we want to cover of it if you don't have those Hardware isn't it right? It's not made for that. It's right for home users and small small businesses And what the fact that it doesn't scale beyond that it everyone's all been out of shape about it. It's not intended to There is a certain amount of you get what you pay for Yep We got to reach out to them again because I want I got to reach out to hd more I think he'd be fun to have on the channel and talk some stories Working on it because of you. Yeah, I still talked to there. They're thrilled with us I think that hassled us a little bit. Uh when we moved it over Oh Because of that. Yeah. Yeah, I told them I still want to think about I've talked to uh chris Chris kersh. It's interesting. Yeah, they're Chris kersh is the business side hd more does development side And I love the fact that I I can tell you they said this publicly if you file like a notice There's a there's a spot where if it misidentifies an object you can go in there and make a note Those notes still are read everyone from my she more. Oh, I I can do that all over. I find them It uh, yeah, I've got there's a couple. There's a couple. I know it did a few wrong I've got a lot of them that it did wrong. He'll fix them. Okay I mean, that's such a kind of cool. I found some things that you mislabeled, but Hey, you know, it was that it was that security the one presently the big one we're presently doing It got I would say 20% of the devices are misclassified. So yeah, that's interesting. I'll give him some feedback I didn't know they would I didn't know they would fix it. Oh, yeah Okay, very much so they're like it's cool Usually this is some of the interviews he's done like the guy is he is singularly focused like Chris's job is to keep him in a bubble when he doesn't deal with the business He doesn't deal with anything the guy just his heads down on keyboard building this product better It's really hard because the one thing is like a subset of the other right like so it's sometimes that classification is kind of hard What I really want I need to get the Plex track people. They're writing importer for it. Oh I'm sure they would we'll hassle them at gercan. Yes I gotta figure out if someone could give me a ticket to gercan something more on All right, I gotta give you Chris's email address or I'll email Chris and say hey, yeah, I know Chris. Yeah Uh, which video is the guy writing a driver? Just look up Jeff Kearling raspberry pi xl 60 Just watch all Jeff Kearling's videos. So you want to get to facebook guy before we Yeah, we will get before we adjourn You have somewhere But somebody gave you money for beer and hot sauce. Yes Uh, well on the lion's dance bill is the l2r can you do 16 gig ram? I have a whole video on l2r Just look for my videos on that because there's so much that's a long answer that we're running out of time for Yeah, we and him and I actually are discussing that internally because it's like do I want to run uh SSD for that stuff should I just add more ram? I think the short answer is more ram is usually the answer Yeah, and not an always throw more ram. Yeah Uh, what does more lab content mean because storage servers are kind of lab Networking's lab. What else? I did a gray log video. That's lab or is that production take your pick I don't know yet to define better what that means. You can send an email for that Oh three crypto challenge tickets to your con Okay, all right. All right. Let's get to the facebook. Oh, I know this mic. Okay Oh, yeah, I know who that is. Yeah I hopefully we didn't just out you I think he uses Whatever. Sorry if we outed you. I don't think we did though. I know him I know him from codemash and then accidentally a gherkin. I didn't I didn't know he was at a codemash, too. Awesome Yeah, you're coming to that right? Yeah, I'm coming to codemash So let me know what I gotta do to make sure I get that set up. Okay, uh tickets went on sale yesterday So I probably ought to I haven't heard if I'm speaking yet to know. Okay Uh, what do we gotta do? Hold on Let me close that one. We didn't even get to talk about hey Send an email to vlog thursday at lorsystem.com if you want to hear us talk about the software We put it in the title. I absolutely will. I'm so I've been coming up here about every other week. I I'm not always gonna invade vlog thursday I tried to not come up on thursdays because we have leaders But Yeah, I'd rather do it. You'll do it at gherkin if you if you come Yeah, uh, let's see here Is it This is a public group so I can share this Yeah Just curious today. I saw a fresh windows 7 so my my my comment and let me remove the other comics. It's not relevant to this Where's the Because my first thoughts are with windows set. Let me make this much bigger. We're gonna read it to you anyways, but Whoa made too big um So what my comment right away is the fact that if Because windows 7 is out of date now if you don't if you have licenses you don't own the software here If there's an activation license to it you're renting until Microsoft decides you're not anymore whoever the company has your license to be fair They'll stow they will a hundred percent still phone activated a hundred percent. They will yeah Well, this is where the silliness is this guy, you know one sitting next to me jason slagle He decided to uh ask why yeah So that was my question, right? So it's like I I helped the guy with sco earlier, right? And in it had a very good why right like I've got this aging line of business software that I don't want to spend $300,000 replaced because they're on the market to do it, right? It's like, okay Well, you've accepted the risk you get it like but my default answer is why because windows 7 is very exploitable in many cases uh, and then We got into a argument Oops the latest This is yeah, you can't own an IT biz blah blah blah. So what are you talking about fool? Yeah, and oh, you're you're a modern cyber guy. You don't even know how to sequel injection It's like yes. I promise I do I I do use the middle I use sequel map, you know I because there's like a thousand different types of sequel injection now And you know, I can't tell you how to do time-based ones off top of my head But sometimes I do Yeah, yeah Well carder problem we have and me and jason this is we get along really well Because of so many of our beliefs being aligned with this but I could the problem is I I we sure start with Why are you doing this? What is wrong with the entire industry sometimes and the why is where we start like why are you trying to old old systems? There's a way around this How are you going to firewall this off because we deal with things like sometimes clients getting d-dossed and stuff like that Where does that come from? Oh a whole bunch of infected crap from people loading old systems and not maintaining them So sometimes there's this weird piling on and I thought it was weird They were piling on jesus jesus tell me that link and I only seen that you commented But it was already collapsed like that was last time But once I unclapsed I'm like why are people like questioning him? Yeah, like me and jason tried to help the community a lot on things like this and we're just like I don't really understand that kind of weird crowdthink Uh, I mean full disclosure. I have we have customers running windows 7. Yeah, right like and you know what it's on It's on hmi or it's on a hundred thousand dollar like interface on a laser cutter right and stuff like that Right and I can't there's no reasonable path to upgrade on either the vendor just there isn't one or it's a $300,000 upgrade to replace This stupid module that connects to it right like but you know what? I'm not doing on those machines reinstalling from cd and activating right like not doing that right? So my immediate thought is is that why are you installing installing cd? Installing windows on a system windows 7 on a system these days, right? There is literally no use case I can come to to do that and So I asked why why are you doing this and I got jump just jumped on And I don't I don't understand this I I have like my rules of engagement when I have a discussion with people I I will discuss someone's idea. I never attack the person I never comment on what I refer to as immutable characteristics like who they are where they're born what they look like whatever I just those are not relevant to me. I will Discuss the idea someone has and weigh it back and forth and never the person I ever I may say that is a dumb idea, but I never say you are a dumb person Yeah, correct 100. Yeah, there's a real new one. You shouldn't do that Right and they just started piling on it. I don't understand that like sometimes the community can be a little hard to work with We were talking about that It was like, uh, it's one of those things that like regulation, right? Like this is how we get regulated, right? Like it's uh and then you know, I'm Very stubborn and very opinionated and no one here can tell I'm opinionated, but I'm very opinionated and Uh pretty good at oscent. So, you know, I'm digging in and this guy posted like literally Two months ago that, you know, some client has been rancid more twice It's like, yeah, because probably because you're installing fresh 107, right? Like I totally understand this now But it's from an industry standpoint, right? It's really hard that uh, the to help improve, right? Like you do this we we actually have a big thing going on our leisure team right now about why we do this yeah, right and and I to try to make everyone better and Me Part of the alignment with our companies for the merger and that's one reason I tell you the 60 days after a merger Me and him are still friends. We don't hate each other There's a good sign, but we also are more aligned We thought we were lying before and I think 60 days later We're more aligned to the why we do things the how we want to help and engage with the community Jason, you know jason's given a talk at gherkon It's snarky title, of course You know, so if you want to see him speak there, but it's We care the big overall arching thing is we care about the community. We try to engage The community a lot. There's a reason we spend all the time with business technicalities posting all the business side of the merger And all the other business details we give away for free out there and in doing these live streams where we just Hammer through however many questions came through today. We love doing this. We want to make everyone better at tech Uh, so I just we have a people attack like that. I don't really get it Well, then it turns into a well, you don't have any like credentials to do this and it's like, oh, I do Yeah Yeah And me and jason are both fans of huntress. We each actually have our own one of these jason's got one in his office too By the way, I believe there are less than 20 of them outside of huntress employees. Yeah, we're among the few So huntress thought it was funny when the two companies that both got these are merging Among the two thoughts on huntress mdr I've not used it. Okay, but From what I've seen it seems to be I I don't know what the pricing looks like To know whether or not I think it's worth it It probably is because I they don't seem to go out of their way to gouge people. Yeah, it Seems like on paper like a good idea my my faith in them to make a good product is still pretty high Yeah, so that's there's still good people. They're doing good stuff Uh, did you post something? Oh, I did. Oh no, I don't want to go into that on here. That's uh, all right Let's skip that. Yeah, that would be a business technicalities thing to do And uh, I don't want to go with that there. There is no non snarky Way to do that and that's that's not it. This isn't the right audience Yeah, that's right audience uh I based a lot of my policies off the stuff you talk about if lts and bt Oh, yeah, I know you've posted a lot on there. So they they between him and brett They've really run with the channel more so than I could and just rocked out a lot of great content. So Oh, let's see Oh, had a dead motherboard for opposite software had to reinstall windows on driver if dot 23 Yeah, you call Yeah, like but but I think why are you doing this is a valid question to answer there, right because Because windows 7 isn't a sensitive to hardware changes. Is it uh not like 10 as sensitive I guess if you change the motherboard is probably enough tough So that's almost always the answer is, you know, line of business software that doesn't run, right? So it's so the question then becomes how do you secure that right in the end? it This comes down to an overall overarching theory. What is the fiduciary duty of a provider to their customers? Right like at what point right your customers hire you as an expert, right and when you allow them to run sco or When you allow them to run windows 7 and allow them to run these unsupportable or unsecurable systems At what point have you failed them in fiduciary duty and have opened yourself up for risk and liability, right? For whatever losses that they have especially if you're their it provider and but even without that right like just You you damage the industry as a whole because you they don't know any better, right? They're coming to you if they knew how to do it, right? If they could install and run pf sense They would install and run pf sense But they don't so they're coming to you as an expert and when you go Oh, yeah, I'll just reinstall windows 7 on that thing with that, you know 17 year old line of business software that you know Uses admin admin as a password still. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I'm good Right like without at least having a conversation about why that's not a good idea. It's just not Yeah, it's I lean to the why right? Why are you doing that? Okay? You have a really good reason We're gonna do it. We're gonna make it as secure as we possibly can But by the way, that's risk that you're gonna have to mitigate at some point Yeah, um, we don't currently use any open source software for project management. Um, we do everything in manage Uh open projects Yeah, I don't know how good it is Yeah, I've used almost every one of those projects at one point or another and maybe they've gotten better It's been a while since I looked at it on myself. Yeah sugar crm. I think had a module sugar cm was really old booking Yeah, open projects isn't much better. Yeah all in for lumieville. You're catching up with the uh, we were we should have the event I should I address that Yeah, you can yeah So one 75 to on board. I don't know. It was half hour. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's always been a fee for onboarding That's not new. Uh, but taking a week to answer that's not true. You've addressed that. Yeah, no, he's it's right There was a week to answer. Yeah. Okay. It's got uh, we didn't know I believe we didn't know who they were. I think is what they weren't properly managed and I addressed it Yeah, it's fine. I mean I so you were one of the people that fell got it. Yeah I don't know who that is. Uh, but there were several if based on the 75 dollars on on board one. I think that uh Yeah, we're we actually were talking about doing a video about this this morning. Yeah There are business realities to this and the reality is is that uh, We pay most of the guys at Lawrence got some amount of raise when we moved them over right like and I have to pay people and uh, if it It's not economically feasible to continue or it's not economically feasible to Give away hours worth of service without billing for it and We we'd actually found a lot of gaps where people had not built a bunch of things Uh And these are some of the problems. I was losing a grip on the business. There's a reason I had to I worked to this merger. I was losing grip on some of it I either had to go full in back in the business and stop making youtube videos or Merge because we we try. Yeah, I try to be fair. I try to go to the the Privilege of fairness and you know, we could have just not covered this right, but I'm I'm I believe in transparency and I We the support issue has been addressed and uh, We are they are on top of it, but we are dealing with Merging two ticketing systems. Yeah the ticketing system thing that was standing We are dealing with hundreds of tickets a week right now. Yeah, so it's uh, it's hard It's uh, there's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of I I kind of want to do a video Maybe but reach out to me mr. Barkin Burger it came and I'll talk to you. Yeah, reach out. We're we're not hiding from anyone on this There's a reason I put it up on the screen We want to address any service delivery issues. There's no point I think that'd be a fun business account if you just talk about how we do service delivery Yeah, we can I'll get mad on to talk about that. Yeah, I think it's a good topic There's a lot that goes into it when there's a lot of people a lot of people a lot of clients and I think we're winding it down here Merging two ticketing systems. Good luck. Okay. Yeah, yeah, Sarah Yeah, I'll see you at codemash. I think oh Actually before them are you gonna be at it nation? Yes. No, she won't be a connect She's got something else going on. Okay, so probably codemash. Got it If you don't know who suduki is, you know a little microsoft mvp A few initials next to that name find her on twitter Uh too many it companies don't change enough uh charge enough for the time your time experience is available Yeah, that's it's a challenge of figuring out where the balance is because I've seen the opposite happen Um It's actually someone and they're not around anymore. They're out of business But one of my friends who work for them gouging would probably be the biggest understatement for the way they charged Yeah, I mean with this I have Spent my life He can attest to it. My life has been billing like literally I have I have 200 hours into billing uh issues since the merger and it's making sure it's all right trying to be fair. Uh, I've credited 60 to 100 hours in the time period since that's happened. Yeah, it's Yeah trouble codemash gave me so much fun. Yep. I'm looking forward to codemash Just trying to it code a conduct for a company was one thing you would include in that everyone misses That's going to be a business activities video. Yeah, subscribe to business activities Okay, I'm gonna write that down it code of conduct. I like that acceptably use policy. It's definitely use policy You know, we did we did at a conference. Um, we had an ethics committee with by the way, michael lucas was on there If you don't know who michael lucas is he's a pretty famous author But also if you ever meet him speak in public He is he is a person you want on stage, but you also can't get him off the stage She'll talk for hours, but he's hysterical. Um But he he had some really good stories about uh, it ethics and things like that Uh, I installed unify controller on windows 10. I'm sorry And looking at the bandwidth usage in real time bandwidth monitoring disappears 20 seconds reappear yourself The the reason I said i'm sorry when you said you installed the unify controller on win 10 is it is Absolutely buggy in windows. I don't even Know why they have a windows version Uh, it is Maybe there's fixes for it. I don't know I've never spent any time trying to fix the unify On windows installs at all. I've seen it. We actually um, the one of the clients we took over I that was a windows install the one that Uh, kyle said it just disappeared. That would be a way to describe We could log into it that one day and then it just wouldn't work again. And we're not sure why I'm actually not honestly not unconvinced that outbound it didn't urinate it on the way out Uh, accidentally or intentionally. Yeah, that's true, too I mean the reality of it is is that all the guts of it are mango on the back end and mango isn't really designed to run on windows either So, yeah, you got two things working against you there Yep so Oh Morning from the land down under all the way from australia. Yeah, I think she didn't she sent hot sauce Yes, she's sent hot sauce before I tasted it. It was good. It's good stuff. All right. I think we uh We've wound all this down Yeah, uh, will you see some policies on your github? Ooh, maybe I so uh, my caution there is uh, I am very down on we write policies We attempt to custom make them for what the clients need We do have some templates that we use But something worse than not having a policy at all is having a policy don't follow Yeah, because if you have a policy that says you do think x and you aren't actually doing it and think x happens to be The thing that gets you uh pops then you can run into some big insurance problems So, uh, I would recommend against just carte blanche stealing the sans templates for that reason Uh, and you know, they don't have to be these big long huge complicated documents So I'm perfectly willing to share some stuff that we've done Uh, and you can use them or you know That would be a tim thing to or a couple of other places. So yeah, there's there's tech drive and they have a bunch of documents and stuff like that too I charged uh, 35 an hour for 20 years ago. My family thought I was over charging them. Yeah Yeah, that's that's a debate you'll see a lot of How do you like the kp and how do you use it and manage? I don't who do that's how we like it Yeah There's a reason there's a little it moose button up there. I don't use that either but like It's really really limited in what it does. Don't use it. Don't use it share point or who do or uh, yeah Yeah, there's better options. I think we shut your wiki down today. Finally. We shut my wiki down today I used to meet you wiki for a long time and a couple jobs. It's just nice. I don't know. It just works I like it. It's better. So it's the same reason I like all my notes over here, which I switched to using a tool called I was using Wow, what was that called before the city and we can just go full circle. Yeah, we go full circle into the city and Zettler I like now, but it's all just marked down. Yeah, the city is just essentially marked down editor. That's all it is Yeah, this is open source. But yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we had that discussion the open source versus closed source Yeah, 100 I remember that now All right, uh, we'll let we'll take it just a couple more questions. Do you think do we have a chance to do a little more Uh, in-depth description to merge company structure email. That's what you want. Yeah I'll like again like we've we've gone over some of the problems. I have no problem talking about it Yeah, that's a that's the whole thing. I have vlog thirsty open We have the form it's not hard if you have google to figure out a contact us We're we're relatively public people and all this stuff I mean the the merge structure is really simple is Tom took the text out of his business and dropped it right in the cnwr And jason's a president and everyone reports to jason Uh, including me. Especially there's an or chart and not everyone reports to me. I mean there's tears There's people under me. Yeah, eventually everyone reports to jason. Yeah There's there's a tiered system of people. Did you see that link I posted about the or chart thing? Uh-oh This is weird It's a company called org They they they build org charts If I thought there was enough People that would attend said I don't think the audience is big enough to do something like this even monthly on business technicalities I don't think we'd get out draw. We have a hundred and we had 150. We're down 139 um But there's a company that builds org charts if you didn't know. Oh, yeah, okay. I didn't see that Uh, so bamboo has that built into it. I don't know if you saw it Yeah, I see bamboo does but like this is some third party company. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Yeah, is it right? No No, I don't know who this person is Oh, that's interesting, but the other people are right. It even has this person who's more recent So, yeah, so it's just scraped off the website. Yeah, those are all the people listed on the website Yep, that's what I figured and then it inferred the rest of them. I want to know who that other guy is though Well, it has a couple that aren't on the website because if you look under here But it's got maybe we're on the website. I don't know they used to be Yeah, 100% 100% you save everyone. Okay, cool. Then that's why so and then it's just inferring relationships It's also got it wrong because uh, for instance, justin and well justin reports still is Yep, so interesting. You didn't know that so But uh, anyway, we we don't there's not they dropped it in here. I am a shareholder Uh, and jason has more shares than me. So I mean, I don't know what you want All right, we're willing to talk about it. Let me know what the details are that you're looking for So we're very public about it Who do hud you it's not a wiki. Oh, we're not no one's making us late. I see. Yeah. Yeah Oh The only late is I have an hour drive home. Yeah, he's he lives in Toledo area We're in Detroit right now. So this this is well, we're 15 miles south of Detroit for those of you that want to be proper Uh, but then he's kind of about about 45. It's pretty close to an hour Yeah, because I'm going to Parisburg. I'm not going because you're a little past The main office, which I want to do a tour of the main office. That's fine. Come to the tour of the main office Yeah, you can do blog here at Thursday there someday Yeah, bro. I was really saying that you and I need to hang out like more than like the every two or three weeks Have been hanging out. So yes Yeah, uh sd wan links I'll I have a video on sd wan. It's usually not what you're usually asking wrong Watch my video on sd wan and then then posted my forms or email blog Thursday and asked the question again Yeah, that's huge sd wan is on a marketing term. It can mean nine things. So that's why I did a video On what does sd wan mean? I break down all the different things it means so you can do that So me it's dmbpn with the configuration layer. Yes. Yeah, there's so much to it. All right We're gonna wind it here. We went an hour and a half. So thank you all hundred and well Now we're back up to 144 we say we're leaving and people start showing up again So thank you for joining. We will do this again soon. Email your questions. We love answering subscribe to business Hecticalities you'll find a lot of the questions that you asked about the business are probably answered there and uh, yes Oh, are you two? Yes. There are now two teslas. My name is jason. They're the same car. I have a model three Yep, we have the same car. Mine isn't this cool looking it says. Oh, yes. Yeah, he didn't wrap his so I wrap things to make them weird looking. I want the wrap that makes it look like a tundra like that in the cyber truck Oh, yes Yeah, it'd be great Or uh ellie spagnola. She's a youtuber. She did one where it looks like the doors are open in the car Oh, I like that. Yeah, I like the one where the I grant is like a Palmer advertisement where he looks like he's sitting on a toilet on the side It's just something fun. All right. Okay. All right. Thanks everyone later. See you