 about its conception. I think, I remember it was in 2019, that is when I received the song. And it was a, this is one of the songs I've received in a very supernatural way. Because I think it was a disruption in my schedule. I remember it was a particular Friday in the month of November. So, I was up and about my duties, you know, no more daily duties. Then I just fell in my heart, no, I need to have some moment in prayer, and it was a bit heavy. So, I closed up myself in my room, praying, praying, praying. Then after a while, it's when now the vision, the vision of the song came, the vision of the song came. And, you know, I saw, it was kind of a vision, that the Sikh were here, they were working. And you remember, like the days of Jesus, like they say that God has given such power to man, because there are things that Jesus did that no man could do. Nicodemus told him that no man can do the things you do, except God be with him. So, those things that really show that God is real. And then I had the tune to Nakua Budo. You just, you know, the chorus word for word. And after receiving it, now the weight lifted. Wow, that's quite a supernatural way to receive a song. Has it happened with all the songs? Not really, not really. I think, well, in my case, it has not happened for all the songs I've received, not all of them have come in such a supernatural manner. Yes. Okay, and what does that do to you? You know, you've said how you saw it, you know, people being healed from the vision that you saw. And how do you see your song impacting people now that it is out? Well, I think so far, so good, because the feedback has been quite tremendous and overwhelming, you know, just having a song that everyone listens to it the first time, and it's like, oh my goodness, there is just depth. And such is a blessing, because this is the very inspiration of this ministry. And why do you think that, you know, there's a lot of music, anyone can sing it really, but what do you think that depth, the content matters, what you're singing about? I think it really matters because think about it, like the number of people that listen to music. I mean, no one does not listen to music. And it can be such a very, you know, and how do we call it, maybe an efficient avenue where God can reach out to people so that the songs we're seeing have content and such a depth that can draw a heart so that your music now becomes like an altar. You know, like when you hold a crusade and you want to preach, not everyone stands there and listens to you. But when you put music in a matatu, you know. Who are drawn? You find everybody is drawn to it, and when it is a music that can draw a person, then it changes the whole equation. And I think that is why it's important to have some depth to what you do, especially musically, for me, you know. For you, okay. Just not just singing because, you know, people are singing. Because you can sing. So now, still in the same manner, do you think that someone needs to be saved, you know? Because I like you, you know, you're already a minister, you know. I get through some of the comments, people calling you a pastor, so you're already a minister and you're singing and you're singing with them. So do you think that someone needs to be saved or to be, you know, no God to sing gospel music or can someone just feel inspired and sing gospel music? Oh, wonderful question. So, you know, like I like to say before you can become a partner of the gospel, the gospel must have first affected you. So the place of partnership, you know, like what we do when we sing for, you know, gospel music, when we put the gospel in music, it is like we are partnering with the gospel. So, but it doesn't add up to partner with something that has not really first affected you. So it's very important that before you can begin doing the, you know, singing and hear and about, because, you know, you're doing service to God. And before service, God wants our hearts and that is where now it comes in the point of getting born again. Yes. So God wants your heart first. It must first impact you before. Yeah, before you go to impact others. Okay, so now what do you make of the artists that come into the gospel industry and after a while they move to secular? Oh my goodness. Well, it's a, it's a tough one. Right. Yeah, you know, it's a discussion that has been ongoing. But this is my take. You know, first of all, you have to deal with your motivations at first instance. You define why are you doing what you're doing? Because, you know, like many people call it gospel music because they have had a name God in somewhere, you know, in the lyrics. They have had Jesus, they have had mungu naweza. But, you know, the gospel, the gospel is that which, you know, which preaches Jesus, you know, that Jesus is exemplified in what you're saying. And of course God can use anyone. But that point, you know, you begin and what was really your motivation? Why did you begin? You determine early in time. Because, you know, I've not experienced certain glories that, you know, some of the people I look up to have, you know, have already experienced. But I'd like to say that sometimes when, you know, money and fame, sometimes you're not tempted with money and fame until you have it. You know, a poor man cannot say. Can't talk on that one. That, you know, money is tempting me. I have overcome money. But once you have it, it's where now, you know, the temptations of how money, you know, can really demand from you. And it's the same thing with fame and, because all these things rotate around money and fame. So you have to determine early in time. What is your motivation? So that even when it comes, when it comes to a point you are tempted, you know, you already know what you live for and you stick on your line. So it's just determine early in time. It's just, you know, determine early in time. And let us know that Nelson and Kwan-Gahivi. Okay. Yes. All right. So we are taking you back to Church Kingdom because today we are talking about gospel. So now speaking of that, and that's the same one too. Now, what do you make of people coming from the center of the church? What do you make of people coming from the center coming from the secular world to the gospel world? And then you don't want to be like, ah, I come here, I have a lot of money, probably money, you know. You know, there's better money for gospel. What do you think about that? Well, it is very easy to think that way, by the way, before you have been there, you know. By the time the music has begun paying you, I mean, it takes some time. And so it's not like, you know, like as easy as people usually, you know, make of it. And of course, it's only God who knows the heart of a man. So we really do not know the motivation. But if somebody has publicly confessed, you know, that by there I've changed and I've decided to leave for Jesus, we take that because that is what the Bible has told us to take off people. You know, we don't begin to examine. Is this very genuine or what? I mean, with time, yeah. We will now remain with observing the fruits because at this age, you shall know them by their fruits. So we might not really know what motivates you, but the fruits of your life can tell us. That will show. Exactly. So we'll give you time, but not, you know, to kiss a suspicion. So, you know, was it very genuine? Was it very genuine? No, no, no. We will accept you because that is the Bible way of, you know, receiving Jesus and conversion. So when you accept Jesus in that manner, we'll take it that you're born again. You know, what follows? Who tell whether you are genuine or not? The fruits will tell. Okay. And now that you've said, I'm talking here, it's important to have your motivation, once I said, you know, this is why I want it. But okay, if someone's motivation is right, they want to take Jesus to the world. They want to spread the gospel through their music. And, but they also want the money aspect of it because if I'm going into it as a career, I also want the money. So how does the, how do they handle that? Oh, wonderful. Well, you can still pursue music as a career. You know, a career is something that gives you a livelihood. And it's like, I like to give an example of somebody, maybe somebody who is born again, has grown in church, but when they want to pursue their maybe bachelor's or diploma, you know, certificate, they did a music career. You know, you expect that the rest of their lives, they will be, I mean, like I'm a geospatialist, so I did, you know, geospatial science. And that is what gives me my livelihood. But there's somebody else who did music, and this person is born again. So when he comes out and he's done graduation and, you know, he wants to settle for life, the most, you know, immediate thing he would do is to venture into music as a career, where it pays him. So it is very okay for music to pay him, you know, what he does to pay him. But of course, there is that place where now there is a place of ministry, and that is where it's important to maybe be committed to a local church, where, you know, this is where I get, but beyond that, you can charge. You can charge your cold for sure. You can charge. That's okay. It's okay. All right. So now take us through your journey, because we have, we jumped into the song. So now take us through your journey. When did you start music? How many songs have you released so far? So my musical journey began in a very interesting way. I think, you know, backtracking and backtracking, people who looked at me and saw me maybe in 10 years ago, when they see Miss Ahi, I mean, they see a different person all together. How so? You know, because, you know, there are those people they begin to sing, like, you know, they can follow along. But my negative was too big. Ah, so you were really bad. I was really bad, you know, like they say, everyone has their own negatives. There are those who have bigger negatives. Mine was a bigger one. The massive, okay. A massive one, because I could, I remember I began when I was in high school. That was around from two. And I couldn't sing a sentence. I couldn't sing a single one line. And I used to be a laughing stock. I remember. I remember there's this song by Christina. I remember. So I used to love that song very much when I was, I didn't want to talk about it. You know, when I was in high school. So I used to sing it in a very funny way. So when we are back in class, the whole afternoon on Sunday, I'll be the talk of, you know, the class. I mean, because the students will not concentrate on their studies. It was all about me. You know, making fun of how I was doing all the mess but I don't know. There was something that was just working in me. I never gave up. I, you know what, this is, this is my upper limit. I'm upper limit too. And I thank God because of the friends I had who used to cheer me up. There's a friend of mine who's called Bruce. I mean, I don't know what he saw because he used to encourage me. He used to encourage me like I was the best thing in the world. I used to do exercises here and there. When I come back home, I listen to Kina Tumaini, Kina Solomon Kubo. I try to sing like they are singing and it was quite impactful. My journey until now when I came to campus and I met some good friends who introduced me to other materials that have been helpful to the point I am. And we are still continually growing. Yes, yes. Poli poli poli. One doesn't have to have the talent, inborn talent to sing. You can teach yourself to sing. Yeah, you can learn. You can learn. They normally say, so long as you can talk, you can sing. As long as you can, oh, okay. So there's hope for us. There's hope. All right. So when did you decide to release your first song? That was back in 2020. That is when I felt in my spirit I really need to go to the studio and do some recording. We did some friends and the song is Pendo Kubo. Yeah. I like how you've said, I felt in my spirit. I want to know, Julissa Mahali, how do you feel in your spirit? You know. Yeah, this is something new to someone else. So how do you feel when you say? You know, these things are not very complicated. Like someone would want to, you know, bring them out. You know, you must receive a visitation in the night. The sound from heaven. Soul. Soul. You know, no, no, no. Okay. God can still appear to you in that fashion, but rarely will you do such. So you just feel, I. Kittun daniako. Kittun daniako. And that is the spirit of God is, you know, is lowering you to something. Sometimes you want to do a business and you know, this is not my time yet. And then there's just that time you, you know, you won't, you know, have you ever just been. There's a push in you. There's a push in you. I remember when I, before I began working that month, I was standing by the, before the end of this month, I'll be, I'll have stated working because I knew it. It's annoying beyond knowing. It's annoying beyond knowing. You just know. So it's the same thing that happens. And apparently it happens in every area of our lives. So you just feel that there is something, there is this direction you need to take. Okay. Yes. All right. So now your second song you released after Appendo. What's the name of the second song? The second song is Sita Ogopa. Sita Ogopa. What inspired it? Yeah. Pardon? What inspired Sita Ogopa? Oh, Sita Ogopa. So Sita Ogopa, I think I was, I was just doing random meditation and it was so real in my heart that by the God is for us. And that is enough reason why not to fear. It doesn't matter what comes against us. It doesn't matter what you're going through. Like he said, you know, to the children of Israel, you might be going through the fire, but it will not burn you. So the fire is not too hot to consume you. So with that assurance it, and then the tune came Sita Ogopa and then the lines. And that was it. I felt it has blessed me, it could bless somebody else. Oh, wow. Amazing. Just how you said it has to have an effect on you first. Yes. So it affects others. Is that a time where maybe your song you're going through something because some people think that you're going through something hard. And your song ministered to you, any of your songs. Yeah, of course, you know, challenges, everybody faces challenges. And it's not strange to face a challenge. And yeah, I remember last year, something significant happened in my life. And I think during that moment, Pendo Kuba was a very huge blessing to my heart. But well, you know, there are those who receive inspiration out of the situations they go through. I have not received a song yet out of what I've maybe the bad, maybe the tough situation I've been through. But I think it's a great opportunity to be able to do that. Maybe the bad, maybe the tough situation have been through. But the tough situations have been through. The songs I've released have been a blessing to me. Wow. So, yeah, yeah. So I want you to sing for us Pendo Kuba. Just, you know, the chorus or something. There's something small. Wow. Amazing. You have such amazing songs. I'm sure they are blessing. What is that one comment that you received, a feedback from the audience that really blessed you, as in, this one? It was God. Then he looked for the people. Yeah. I remember, you know, when we were doing the release of Tuna Kwa Budo. And so there's a lady who commented on the YouTube channel. You know, when you see a true worshipper, you can just know. I mean, that got me thinking. Wow. That got me thinking. You know, it's not light that there are certain things. God can cause certain people to see about you. And it means there is something on your life. And you know, there was also a certain pastor who shared and, you know, such songs of the presence. I mean, a pastor. And you know, it's a pastor I really honor. And having shared the song, I think for me, it was very humbling. So it inspired me even more. Okay. So certain encouragement, I wish you for it. So tell us where we can find you on our social media handles before you sing for us the last song, because we want you to perform for us. The second release song, Sita Ogopa. Okay. So tell the people where to find you. This is your camera. And if you feel like you want to send some shout out, feel free. Thank you. So I am on YouTube, Nelson Were, and I'm also on Facebook. Were Nelson. I have a Facebook page. Same Were Nelson. I also have a Twitter handle at Nelson Were at 7. So I would like to send some shout out. I know there are some friends who are watching. First of all, I would like to shout out to my spiritual dad, Pastor Dan Kanatika. I know he's watching. I'd also like to send out a shout out to my parents and my family and also to my producer, Fidel. And to my friends, I cannot mention all of you. Thank you for tuning in. Wow, amazing. Take it away, Sita Ogopa. Okay. Go ahead.