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I was shocked to see a world where I wasn't too shocked to not see Seamus Coleman, only on the basis of that, you know, for the last couple of years now it's been a very similar situation, he's going to change this and that's, he comes in, he has two or three really really good games but it's not, he's not taken out because he's dropped because he has another good game, he's taken out because he probably hasn't got the stamina to go again for another 90 minutes, so I wasn't massively shocked to see Seamus Coleman not in the start in 11, obviously he'd come off the bench and had an impact and he's been brilliant the last couple of games. But I was just happy to see Alan back, James Rodriguez in there, you know, obviously again I'm not a big fan of the backfire but I understand Carlo Ancelotti seems to like it at the moment, maybe because of the attack and style it gives us, obviously Jordan Pickford was back in the team as well and I thought those three players have just mentioned that Pickford didn't have to do much and he's playing for either goal but Alan was fantastic, he was the Alan before his injury, he was the Alan that we brought in in the summer, he'd come in and was absolutely everywhere. He looked like he was back to 100%, I had a bit of a concern about Alan after he'd returned from his two or three month injury because I thought he seems like he's being rushed in here a little bit and I thought he was asked to do the corner, he's rolled a little bit as well where he's on Friday, he seemed like he was just in his own little role, he had Davies next to him, he had Sigarton and Hammers there to cover him going forward so he just had to do what we know he can do and he was brilliant. Hammers or Degas again back to 100% was everywhere so it's mad to talk about because I was sitting here on Monday talking about it and you're sort of sitting there and my emotion on Friday night was that's another two drop points there in a race for Europe and Tottenham are the team that are in seven, Tottenham are the team that everything should be leapfrogging tonight and listen the reason we didn't win that game was because of us, Tottenham had nothing the other two chances we gifted them and we gifted them to arguably the best cycle on the planet. They had nothing, nothing at all. I think they had three shots on target in A2 then K left completely the maths in the box and they were two goals. In the six yard box they were leaving the most clinical striker in the Premier League with that much room. So on Friday night I was sort of thinking we've had the chance to leapfrog Tottenham here, we could have been in the driver's seat to missed opportunity and then all of a sudden on Sunday night I'm thinking are we going to play in the Champions League next season, did the Tottenham game really matter that much? Does the Arsenal game on Friday really matter that much? So you're right it's all been a bit of a whirlwind and I feel like I've woken up today and checked out immediately and just been like did anything, was I just dreaming then for the past 48 hours? Did any of that actually happen because it's gone from one scene to another scene to now it's sort of everyone being like yeah everything's sad and again back to normal, it's not back to normal is it? I'm sure we'll talk about it in a minute but now in terms of the game, yeah I was shocked to see it all being in the right wing back position because it's not in that position. But then again what is? But I just think yeah yeah maybe it's right wing back for somebody else not for everything but it was first to say and maybe because it's another game where ultimately we've thrown it through our own mistakes and also through missed opportunities that Josh King, Rasharddon in the second half, Hammers had one in the first half and we were going to be particular. So it was a better performance that's one thing that would say we're going to take the positives, we were a lot better than we were against Brighton. We actually stepped up, we pressed them, we put them on the toes a little bit. Well we came out looking sharp, we were running round and all the players were definitely up for it, I think the only player I was let down with really was Iwobe. I just don't understand now, I mean Shane is calling me as our best winger let's be honest and he's a 33-year-old right back because I just saw this, he came on after a minute and he's completely sure Iwobe. We put the ball into his feet, got it out of his feet, sprinted down the wing, put a ball in the box, you give it to Iwobe, he takes three touches before he decides where he wants to go. He's far too slow on it and his decision making is shocking so I don't know whether he's won when we're looking to get out of the club in this summer or the next summer or January transfer window. I suppose Shane was coming on highlighting how much we need a right winger, coming on and showing Iwobe up in one and a half minute and showing he's our best winger that we've got. It's not a dig on Coleman because we love Shane as Coleman but he should not be our best winger. You mentioned Alan there, he came out looking sharp, I'm happy to have him back to be honest, he's a brilliant asset. Another player who impressed me was Guilfee Singerton, I wouldn't really expect him to start if I'm honest before the game. I would have liked to see King in there but I wouldn't expect him to start either. I'm surprised Guilfee came on and I thought he had his best game this season to be honest. I think his second goal when he arrived in the box was brilliant and I play that. Let me down sort of with Charleston, I think his finish wasn't great. The first chance he had on goal was Rodin stepped out of the line and he got it in the channel and he just panicked and shot too early but listen he needs a goal. He had a chance in the second half where he just lays it over the crossbar and I think he needs to calm down. What do you think it is for Charleston? Do you think it's a confidence thing? We've mentioned Charleston before but I just think he's having a really awful season. I think it's very much about to be honest, I think he's not had the greatest of seasons which is clearly affecting him. I've never understood this and it's not every fan and it's only a minority but I've never understood this, that's the attitude that he doesn't care. He's not interested because I think that lad cares more than most and that's why sometimes you see him frustrated and sometimes you see him angry and pungent on the floor. That's why he's trying to take three kicks off people because he wants to get involved. He loves putting pictures on social media after getting quiet and opposition fans up. He loves the pigeon celebration and he loves all of that and he loves helping this team succeed. I think that with Charleston at the moment, he has wanted to play as a striker for quite a long, long time. With Charleston hasn't made it quiet in stating that he prefers to play up front. Obviously he had that partnership with Dominic Calvert-Lewin towards the back in the last season, both scoring goals frequently. You could argue that he was the most important player in those last nine games because he was constantly popping up scoring. I think what I'm with with Charleston is when he's played up front, when he's played as a striker, certainly in recent times. It's not really been in the way than which I think he wants. I think he wants to play as a striker in a front with Dominic Calvert-Lewin. He doesn't want to play as a striker where he's sort of there and everybody else is here and it's just getting lumped up to him and the whole responsibility is on him. So I do feel for Richie a bit because I think for the last few games or so, it's been the Dominic Calvert-Lewin sort of tactic if you like. And that's lumped up to Richie Charleston and just hope that he can hold it up and do something with it. And Richie Charleston hasn't got the aerial presence, that Dominic Calvert-Lewin, as he doesn't play as many aerial cheels as Dom does. So I get it and I understand that. I think he worked hard on Friday, I do. I think he worked hard, don't get me wrong, the thing is finishing was poor. I think the one in the second half, which could have won it, was you have to score them, you do. But maybe he's done a little bit of what Dom's done in recent weeks and sort of seen the lights a little bit and panicked and then back instead of just leaning forward and slotting it. But I really don't think Richie Charleston's idea of playing up front is him being the lonely striker and everybody just sort of lumping it up to him. He had an involvement in the second goal, I think, Sigarton's goal. I think he passed it to Coleman, he wanted the Coleman and then Coleman lasted it. But yeah, I just don't think he's having the greatest of seasons to be honest. I doubt it. I've got full faith and belief that he'll come back and next season he'll be even better. But I do think he wants to play as a striker, but I think he wants to play as a striker with Dom where they're both playing off each other when they're playing well rather than just him up front on his own and everybody sort of lashing it up to him. But look, you can't excuse miss chances and he hasn't been on great form and he needs to improve and his finishing needs to improve and we all know that. But this is a lad who let's not forget for the last two seasons, play as a carlaw and a slotty, he was probably the only half decent seven player. He was the player that kept us in leagues, kept us, even though we didn't perform well and we finished 12 and we finished ninth or whatever. We did the mark of silver's first season. A lot of that was down to his goals. I think he's in the top five highest goal scorer in Brazilians in the Premier League. He's the majority of that forever. Not just his goals in terms of the goals he scored, but thinking the goals he scored. I remember Crystal Palace at home, he scored the winning against them. Now, we might remember that game because it's Crystal Palace at home, but if it wasn't for him running the whole length of the pitch and burying it, which was a brilliant goal. So long at all. We wouldn't have won that game. I remember he took it round Duffy against Brighton. He won that game for us. The Derby this year. You know, I know Guilffy Tickerton went on to score the pen, but he set the stall out early with a brilliant finish. So I think the goals Richie scored this season have been important, but ultimately he does fall into that bracket with Dom a little bit as that his finishing needs to improve. But he hasn't had a great season. Imagine Richie, something like last season this season, who knows where it would be? Well, it would be a lot better because we're getting a few more goals from midfield. Nowhere near enough. I mean, you mentioned his first races in Richie. He wants to be in that Brazilian national team. You mentioned him playing as a striker. He did that last season, but playing as a lone striker. I don't know if we had hammers playing off him on Friday, but playing as a lone striker, we saw him. We'd have the ball out on the wing with Guilffy and Luke Deane. I'd be coming trying to pick it up off them, and it's not where he should be. So I can see the split striker thing and I don't know exactly what you mean. But yeah, I suppose we played well. We did look sharp. We were getting forward, we were creating chances. But I suppose, like you said, we let ourselves down again. We're poor defending. I mean, the second goal especially was just the first goal. I didn't quite know why. I still don't know why Holly was on the floor. I'm guessing he anticipated it wrong. But the second goal was just it was Sunday League defending, wasn't it? I still can't get me where I found it. But yeah, it was a fair point, I suppose. I think if we'd have got three points at Brighton and three points against Palace, then we'd have took a point on Friday. But I think the fact that we've now three points out on nine games, that that game, it was two points out of six games at the time. So that game, we were desperate for a win, really. We're not one of games since West Brom at the start of March. And it only makes us, you know, it makes the Arsenal game a must win, especially if we want Europe on Friday. But yeah, so moving on. It was interesting a couple of days after it. As you said, it was a bit of a whirlwind in the past few days. So what was your first initial reaction when the proposed European Super League was announced on Sunday night, was it? Yeah, Sunday night, yeah. What was your initial reaction? It was rumored first, wasn't it? And as soon as it was rumored. There's all of these words, one words that we can use to describe our initial thoughts and feelings. We can say disgusted. The fans of those clubs might say embarrassed, ashamed. We can say annoyed, upset, frustrated. But there's one word I think that sticks out more than other. That is more damning than any of the words as well. And that's, it's not a word, but it's a phrase, not surprised. I wasn't surprised whatsoever. And I've said this for a while when the Premier League and UEFA and all of these organisations have allowed these multi-billionaires to come in and take over football clubs with no knowledge of football whatsoever, no care in the world for the sport, the legacy of the sport, the founding members of the sport, even the rules. Valentino Perez is talking about shorting games and no one under 24 likes football. What other nonsense that is? When you allow these people to come in and just take over football clubs, what do you expect to happen? And I say this, I think for as much as we were on UEFA side and FIFA side and the Premier League side over the last 48 hours or so when we all were, they can't escape playing. They simply can't escape playing. The reason as to why these billionaires have had the battle to do what they've done is because those organisations have allowed them to come in. I mean, I read a tweet yesterday and I think it was from Sky Sports and it was somebody talking and they said they know of Chairman or a high executive in one of those six clubs who when he first went to watch that club he asked who was sitting next to him, who were we. What colour do we play in? I said on our last team yesterday, you don't know if you've seen. I said, I reckon, I'm just an Everton fan. I've lived 10 minutes down the road from Goodison. Watched Everton all my life. I do business having him for the job. I don't do this sort of stuff for the job. But I reckon you could put me in front of any human being on this planet and it'd take me less than five minutes to figure out if they understand football or not. If they actually know what football is about, what it means to fans, what it means to clubs to run all of these trophies and being this successful. It doesn't take rocket scientists to sit down with someone and go, you actually haven't got a clue. You haven't got the best interest of this sport in hand. If the Premier League would have done that 10, 15, 20 years ago, then these people wouldn't have been allowed to come in and take over these football clubs. But they didn't. They just went, oh my God, it's all about money. They're going to bring loads of money and we're going to make loads of money. Certain television broadcasters are the same. If they'd have come out and stopped naming it the big six and the super six and all that, that name has come from people like Sky and BT and all of them who have named them that for years and years and years. It's not come from them clubs. All of them, Chairman, have done this and gone, that's what we get called by these people. So we'll just adopt that name. Stop calling them the big six. They're not the big six. They're not the best six for the start because Arsenal haven't been a decent football team for a multi-decade, Leicester and West Ham are in the best six at the moment and in terms of the big six. Manchester City are a big six club in terms of English football history. Where's the name of the league title? Exactly, it spares on. In terms of European Cup history, Arsenal OK finished in the Champions League for loads of years on the bounce but they finished fourth, didn't win it. Didn't win the league again in the Champions League. They haven't had any real success and they've won a few FA Cups but they haven't had any real European success certainly not in my lifetime. Nobody escapes blaming the situation of Premier League, UEFA, FIFA, all of their media companies. To accept that. We might not have had a part of play in this European Super League but we've had the matches that have lit the fire that have caused this and I hope to God that when I watch these media broadcasters and all of that we don't get the big six or the super six anymore, they're just called clubs like everybody else is a club and they're spoken about the same. If not even waste now what they've done as the rest of the clubs in the Premier League and they should be sanctioned, they should be deducted points, they won't be they won't be at all. That's it. Well there was a rumour last night that UEFA, well there wasn't even a rumour there was rumours that UEFA were going to pay these clubs a lot of money to return to UEFA but let's just part the rumours for the moment. What we know as a mere fact is that one of the heads of UEFA, I can't remember his name, his name's Alexander Sutton, he released a statement thanking Manchester City for leaving the Super League. It's great to have them back, it's brilliant, I can't wait to have them back. Thank you for seeing this that new there. Basically kissing ass, let's be honest, kissing ass to Manchester City. Now if this was about football and this was about football fans and how much football means to us, because let's be honest that's what UEFA's statement was. They come out on Monday morning and said it's a spit in the face of all football lovers. The Premier League said it's all about football and think about the football pyramid and the football league and all of these clubs. If that was genuinely the reason for being frustrated and annoyed go out and find those clubs. But it wasn't that. All it was is for money math. All it was they were worried about how much money they are going to lose and that's the reason why they're getting welcome back with open arms. That's the reason why they're still allowed to compete in the UEFA Champions League semi-final. How silly is that? How silly is it that you wait for letting four clubs or three clubs who've turned round and said we don't want anything to do with you anymore and signed 147 page documents agreeing to that. How silly is it that you wait for them to change the man now so we'll let you come back in and why not take it if it was about football and how they've tried to ruin football take your stance and say no, you're not competing we get that you've apologised and you want to come back in sad but you're getting punished, you're not competing to dump them points in the league but it was never about that for those organisations it was about that for us fans we never wanted to see because we cared about football we cared about grass roots and legacy and where football is being but it wasn't that for the Premier League they said that in their statements but that was just a big facade to get on the side of fans they may as well have come out and gone listen we're going to lose a crap load of money if these leave here so we need them to not leave because it's not about football or the legacy it's about the fact that they were going to lose a lot of money obviously it's all fell to crap now as well so it has been a whirlwind it's been a bit mad but yeah I don't know mate I'm just proud as an Everton fan to be one of them clubs that stood up against it exactly, I mean the statement yesterday was a very proud moment he said what everyone was thinking and he said it first but I mean if you look at the teams that were in it initially look at the debt some of those clubs are in and you look at the teams currently while we're filming this there's three teams left as far as I know there's Juventus, Barcelon, the Dynarmidrid look at the debt they're in people were getting arrested at Barcelon a football club last year weren't they or a few months ago for paying taxes it's a joke you look at the outcome of it now right they've basically got what they want a reformed UEFA Champions League which means they'd get the more chance to guarantee you places if you look at the Dynarmidrid and Barcelon they've been in it since the 19th they're not missed a year have they and you get more money so they've got what they want but how can you let these club owners back into the domestic leagues there's obviously a clear split now between the clubs in those leagues I mean they basically came out and said all money's more important than the fans that's what they basically said haven't they it's borderline psychopathic sociopathic isn't it because they've got no one more for anyone but their own back pocket the nice thing was to see so many clubs come together and fans come together especially even the fans of those clubs that were proposed to join the Super League and players and managers I've stood up against it the captains of the Premier League John Anderson making a statement was nice to see and even MPs and the PM himself Mr Boris Johnson seeing T and MPs come together and make a stand against it I suppose the thing with Boris Johnson was though we wanted to be the obviously they've been a they're not the favourite government are they I know they've not had a great couple of years so coming in and if they could have got those fans behind them imagine if Boris Johnson was the hero the man who saved football that would have been something for him instead it's Gary Neville Gary spoke to us all on Monday night football he absolutely hit the nail on the head I think the thing of a clubs interview as well I felt a bit sorry for him because I'm not really a fan of club but after all that everything that happened in the media before even the clubs really said anything themselves they made a statement that United was in it so when everything was left a club and fronted a club on national television I did feel a bit sorry for him obviously he's got to be careful what he says because his job's on the line I mean he sort of targeted Gary Neville and took it out on him didn't he and Gary Neville responded perfectly I think what it is is nobody wanted the European Super League nobody wanted the Super League the Premier League didn't want it UEFA didn't want it, we didn't want it as fans you're right, the fans of Liverpool coming out and putting banners all over the field was great to see, I don't like Liverpool I really don't like them obviously but it was great to see them with the banners and spending their disgust Chelsea fans yesterday that saying we won our stock away that was great to see United fans coming out Arsenal fans doing the same things but the reality of this situation is that nobody wanted this European Super League UEFA, FIFA, users fans the Premier League, pundits players manager said that nobody wanted it but it was for different reasons as to why people didn't want it we didn't want it as fans because it was going to destroy football I believe Gary Neville didn't want it because it was going to destroy football because now he's coming out and saying I don't care about the fact that it's not happening punish those clubs, punish those teams punish them, deduct them, relegate them make them start again, punish them obviously the Chelsea fans, all of us as fans didn't want it because it was going to destroy football why didn't the Premier League want it why didn't FIFA want it was it for the same reasons I personally, my personal opinion, I can only speak for myself I don't think so, I think they didn't want it because it was going to lose them an awful lot of money because ultimately the money in football has ruined football over the last 20 years it's a representation of the society that we live in and it's ruined football whether the Super League happened or not this was just the the fire that was lit by all of the flames of the past 20 years of the money brought into football that's ruined it it's a ruined sport mate players getting paid, silly money take a price of people, clubs starting to put take a prices up to ridiculous amounts of money going into a grand and getting a free course meal what's that mate? I don't go to gooders I'm expecting a free course meal if I get a lukewarm sauce of droll, I'm happy and if I get a pint that tastes like tea I'm relatively happy, I just want to go and watch everything it's not a busy thing to go to a football match it's not a corporate thing and again I get that these owners of these clubs want to make it more like the Super Bowl they want to make it, I went to a few years back it was in 2014 I went over to New York at the moment dad and one of the things we wanted to do while we were in New York was watch a New York Yankees game watch the baseball and I've not only tested baseball it's boring but we were there for an hour and a half two hours whatever it was and I must have watched 20 minutes of baseball because there was people running on and advertising these beer companies the stadium there was a peter up in the stadium there was genuinely people sat in a restaurant and in a pub in that ground or in that stadium whatever you want to call it watching the game on the telly when the game is being played outside and it wasn't like you walked outside and it was a 100,000 seat a pack you couldn't move so those people couldn't get a seat there was seats everywhere and I genuinely remember thinking it's just commercial, I had to look that way to the American market I'm not having a gold baseball that works for them and that's what they want that's fine but that is in football and that is in football in this country and nobody wants that I'm saying this on behalf of Everton as well I don't know if anybody from Everton will listen to this but I'm saying this on behalf of Everton obviously I know Bramleymore will have commercialised sweets and they'll be sweets where you get a free course blah blah blah but I don't want to be walking into Bramleymore and being offered a peter and shit meal I don't want to be walking into Bramleymore I'm feeling like I'm just a customer here I'm just number one, two, four, six, five, two, whatever I want to be going into Bramleymore feeling like I feel when I go into Gooderson Park I'm a fan, I'm here to support my football club I'm here to make a noise and to get those players onside and for winning reasons to go out and support my club, whether they win, they draw or they lose I don't want to go in and feel like this feels like I've gone to watch Little Mix at the Echo Arena and it's just all commercialised and unfortunately mate that's what football is going towards there's no surprise, like I said there's no surprise and when I saw that these owners wanted to take football and go and do it there's no surprise, that Valentino Pérez wants to make football matches shorter it was no surprise and I know they brought in that water break during the lockdown for every 20 minutes they'll get a water break they brought that in and he blag so players can get a drink or some manager can have tactics if players have gone yet you know what I like those breaks, they're decent then we get a chance to have a drink, we get a chance to talk to the manager buy this seat if that would have gone through in it last season buy now those breaks have been advertised there have been advertisements every time the game stopped this break is sponsored by don't know, some televisions this break is sponsored by this coffee shop corners have been sponsored, this corner is sponsored by it, if that's the way football is going and that's what these have tried to do ultimately they've gone, we'll take this away from the fans and we'll just commercialise it and make it one big entertainment platform I mean, no competition, no relegation no fighting for anything we're trying to make this the WWE or something we'll just take the sport in fact there and just go we'll just make it dead free but we'll make it dead entertaining that's not footie mate, that's not footie that's not the footie I love, that's not the footie I want to watch and I'm so proud to be in Evertonian I'm so proud that our football club not only on Marcel Brands as extended this contract has just gone through then that's something we can talk about in a minute I'm so proud to be an Everton fan and to be one of those clubs that stood up against it because if that was Everton who'd done that I don't think I could be sitting here wearing the badge to be honest with you mate because I'd be disgusted I'd be absolutely disgusted well you said before you hit the nail on the head didn't you with the franchise thing and they wanted to make their own franchise and you've seen it in the Premier League already I'm not going to mention names but there's clubs that will limit the amount of season ticket holders because they want new people coming to the match every week because they will go spend money in the shop if every season seat belongs to a season ticket holder they don't go in the shop and buy a shirt every week do they so they wanted to make their own Disneyland basically I don't know how they can allow these club owners to be stealing these domestic leagues when there's an obvious divide the fans of their own clubs can't trust them because they know that now you don't care about the fans it's all about the money and look at that money that money is about I get that football is about money and I get that for years I've spoken on clubs that release their home kit the Bay of the last game of the season so that people flood in the shops and get it and there's elements of this that I don't agree with and I don't like because it's not football but I understand that that's where football is now I'm not going to sit here and blag that and start sitting here and acting like I haven't got a multi-billionaire owner who's putting 500 million into this club and who's likely to put in a fair however many 100 million I'm not going to sit here and say this, that way, that way that obviously we spend a lot of money obviously we pay footballers wages ridiculous amounts obviously we pay stupid amounts of money for players that don't end up being any decent I get that in terms of the why the societal problem evidently are probably to blame as much part of blame as not those big clubs because they're on a different level but a lot of other clubs in the country and around the world but it's about having the models gone past the points and everything and I said yesterday you'll never not be money in football now it'll only rise unless it's capped with the salary cap or the wage cap or the transfer fee cap the money will always rise we will never get back to that point where footballers are purely playing for the love of the sport they'll always be paid more money than me and you will ever think to see in our bank accounts in our lifetimes that's just how it is, it's gone past that point where we will never go back from that now and I get that but everybody said I felt so proud because I thought well he's a billionaire owner and as much as I understand the fans of those top six clubs or big six clubs I understand the fans of those six clubs coming out and saying well you're in that position so you don't know what your owner has done and when they said that on Sunday night I sat here and thought to myself no everything wouldn't do that everything wouldn't sell us down the river but I order was also an element to me that thought we have got a billionaire owner so who knows who knows if we were invited what the outcome would be was Everton instead of Tottenham what we'd be talking about today because it might be that and far I'm ashamed to come out and say what he said and it made us all proud that it was brilliant that he said it and that shows that Everton have an owner who yes is going to bring in a lot of money and I understand that but also cares about the values of football and the Premier League not the Premier League in the English football and league and the football and pyramid and us as fans as well that's important Everton have had to employ a billionaire backer to compete with those teams of the top league otherwise we'd be in the championship league one and would be one of those clubs in order to compete and to stay alongside these clubs we've had to do what they've had to do but we've done it in the right way and we've done it in a moral way where this day haven't and you know again Well you mentioned punishment before and obviously letting the club owners back in the domestic league wouldn't be a not surprising but obviously a massive bit of a sham to be honest because obviously we've seen clubs like Wigan I mean the EFL let an owner who clearly doesn't know how to run a football club I wouldn't fit to run a football club to take over Wigan and they got relegated for it I know Wigan are the biggest club the big six I mean they've won more trophies recently than Tottenham haven't they but what do you think should happen to these big six clubs these elite super clubs with super powers Betty there's two elements to this argument fans saying don't punish us it wasn't our fault players saying don't punish us it wasn't our fault as a fan there's an element to me that understands that I get what they're saying I get that fans of Liverpool football club have come out in the thousands millions whatever same with Arsenal and gone against this they haven't wanted this neither of the players neither of the manager when it was Betty did Betty fans want to go into liquidation and not become a football club anymore no did Bolton fans want to be relegated and stuff the point because of the dodgy ownership no did Wigan fans want the same no did Leeds fans years ago on that same no so you have to employ the same rules for one for everyone as you do for those clubs and ultimately the EFL and the football league were very very very I remember the Bolton situation I remember the Wigan situation it was only a couple of years ago it was very quick to say no you can't feel the team you're getting the duct of points that it wasn't a discussion it wasn't a shall we do it shall we not do it it was a cut throat no it's getting done that's the end of it and as much as we all might have said well that's a bit harsh on them that's not their fault we all also sort of wrote that in the rules and that's the cut throat rules that's what it is they've been fine they've been duct of points they've been relegated whatever you have to employ the same rule with these clubs just because it's Liverpool it's Manchester United it's Arsenal it doesn't mean that they haven't broken the same rules it's probably worse rules than those previous clubs did that were deducted 15-20 points that were banned from leagues that were relegated automatically that were ripped a bit and even in the extreme circumstances that were completely destroyed and are no longer a football club the real man I think it is in the Premier League is that no club without Premier League without Premier League approval can go and play in any other league that's not the Champions League, Europa League Liverpool, Carabao Cup or the leagues relegated prior to the Premier League they've very very clearly broken that rule and they haven't just broken that rule they've stuck two things up to here and gone nah I'm going to go and play in this yes they regret it of course they do because of the outrage by fans because of the fact that and let's be honest with ourselves Matt, Roman Abramovich came out yesterday and said we regret this decision we're going to leave it, Manchester City did it do they regret the decision because of the minds and gathered and protest but are they thinking all the fans don't like this here now what they're thinking is our customers don't like this and if we go ahead with this we're going to lose a lot of customers and therefore we're going to lose a lot of money so it's not in our interest because that's all we are mate I feel like a fan of Everton because of the way Everton have come out and read the statements and the way far I'm a Shady talk but if I'm a Chelsea fan now now just because they've apologised doesn't make it okay but they were the only club within their statement that said we apologised to the fans every other club was just a generic statement we thank our stakeholders when we move on it's a nonsense and it's a punishment like I said to get back onto the point they have to be given a ways punishment than those clubs previously mentioned because they didn't sign go off and make another league those clubs are punished because of bad ownership and bad ownership that led them into a situation where they couldn't feel the team these clubs should be punished for bad ownership but on a much more severe level because those owners have tried to turn it back on the entire football pyramid and go away and make their own league if they don't get punished, which I'm not going to lie to you mate I don't think they will be punished I really really don't think they will be punished and there's a reason for that is because you punish Man United than Liverpool and you relegate Man United than Liverpool into the national league and say build your way back up then ultimately the Premier League loses a lot of eyes the Premier League loses a lot of money the Premier League loses a lot of customers we're not stupid there, stop making out like we're stupid stop coming out and saying it's about football it's about the football pyramid it's about money and how much money they'll lose in their pocket don't just come out and be honest and say look we're not going to deduct points on any of the teams because if we do this big six as much as it's a nonsense and half of the teams in there aren't even a big teams in terms of historical Sophie's won certainly on Europe if we deduct points from these if we relegate them, if we punish them then they'll probably get the if and we'll lose a lot of money because if they're not playing in the Premier League we don't get as many customers and that's for the other end also should they be punished? Absolutely and if they're not punished then again I give up with football every week to be honest I give up with football when Everton drop points like we did the other day but I really truly do give up with football if these clubs aren't punished because it's blatantly there and they don't want me for another did they care about Berry? No because Berry don't bring in millions and millions of pounds every year Sting with Bolton, Willy with Manchester United and Liverpool have a pair of balls, go pair of balls and go and give them a punishment that they deserve and then we can all sit back and go do you know what, fair play to the Premier League and then if the Premier League do that I'll come on here next week Math or the week after that and I'll say do you care about football? If you wait for it would have come out and still got time to come out and say do you know what, no if you can't play in it next season and we'll talk about the season after where if we think you deserve it then I'll say do you know what, you wait for care about football but until they do that, which they won't you wait for them Champions League semi-finals go ahead and why because it will make them a load of money and then the final will make them a load of money and the Premier League will let these teams come back in I mean it was on Sky Sports yesterday when Chelsea were playing I can't remember whether it was Alan Smith or somebody that was against the Super League and come out openly to be against the Super League just before the Chelsea game said because obviously it was leaked that Chelsea were going to leave or it's all back on now Chelsea have finally got something to fight for they've got to fight for the top four these players have got the they've got the fight for top four back on and I was like well why why should they have a fight for top four all the Sky Sports then have done has rubbed on under the carpet and gone oh yeah it doesn't matter now because they're out of it so the fight for top four is back on why should the fight for top four be back on I'm not allowed to compete in Europe when they've just walked away from UEFA Premier League and UEFA and FIFA grow up here and punish these clubs and I get that it's not fair on the players and the fans and I get it if it was ever and I'd probably be sitting here saying it's not that fair on us is it because we've not done anything as a fan base but it doesn't matter it wasn't fair on Berry fans it wasn't fair on Bolton fans punish the clubs yeah well listen we're getting new information all the time now we're still because we don't punish them anyway but listen at the end of the day the owners have got exactly what they want they've got a new reform UEFA Champions League which is looking like the likely outcome it might be the probably the best possible outcome if you look back on Monday what we're all thinking but it's not exactly what we want it's not great for us but I suppose it could be a lot worse but moving on into all this information we've had some new information breaking just as a record in this what's been going down yeah Evan and Alfred just clicked on my phone then to see if anyone's anything's happening and Evan and Alfred have extended the concept of Marcel Brans the club's director of football so I haven't read the full story but that's the latest again no surprise on the Marcel Brans fronties a member of the board I think the reason is to why it's only just being announced is because they probably were really worried about it or weren't really thinking about it in fact it's probably at the bottom of the pile because they thought yeah they'll just get the paper out and sign it but there's a lot of worry, I don't know why but there seems to be a lot of worry with them fans as to whether or not he'd sign it why hasn't he signed yet or not probably because the club of thinking the chance face, the league, European football all of that will be above the evidentiality that Marcel Brans signs his new contact and he has done today and yeah now we kickstart and we go again in the summer with him and Carlo and Schluthi well yeah I suppose I know there's been not a split but I know some fans aren't too happy with it I mean the first few years he's been here now his job's really been to trim the team down and get some of the plays at the door which obviously January did a good job of that so whether you're happy with that or not but I mean the plays he's brought in so far some have worked, some haven't I like the plays, especially some of our best players have been down to the manager really look at Richard Allison with Michael Silver and plays like Hammers and Allen plays he has brought in like Gomez obviously we had a plan if he hasn't worked out whether it was a last minute panic thing same with King really whether that was a last minute panic thing and we needed a striker and then plays like Gomez, Gomez hasn't worked out but listen at the time we wanted him really didn't we so it's a three year deal yeah we signed a three year deal and basically we're half way through he's got plays at the door and it's time to get plays in I suppose so for me he's got to be looking at those plays we missed out and there's some of those plays that they're likely on Bailey and Baku or even Max Aaron's plays that he's got to go I mean he did a good job with Godfrey he's a young, hungry player so I'm split on the decision I'm not too sure but obviously he said we'll have to wait until he's to the summer so what do you expect from Marcell Brands are you happy with the deal yeah I think I am to be honest obviously another three year contact he's three years in so he's half way through effectively as you said I think a lot of his time at Everton so far has been certainly since Carla when she was coming in he's been trying to team this squad I mean Marcell Brands has already teamed the squad quite drastically since he's come in I think it went from 40 odd players to maybe 30 odd players, 25 players something like that and the value increased so in terms of a business matter I think the club are very clearly happy with Marcell Brands it didn't take the club very long to appoint him to the directors to the board of directors as well so it's very clear that Everton is a club happy with Marcell Brands and like I said a machine of business side of it to trim a squad of players and increase the value of that squad even when trimming it just shows that he's doing a good job in that sense in terms of players he's brought in but I think he's made some mistakes obviously everybody makes some mistakes and I remember he brought in Fabian Delphine it's difficult to talk about Fabian Delphine because we can very clearly sit here we bring him in we were happy at the time though, worthy 9 million, he's good for the dressing room he's a good character he's just turned out to be a very great signing same with Gomez Gomez had a first great season on loan and we signed and we were all happy with it we said go and get him and go to Tottenham he just not worked out that's it, I was saying to Delphine I remember when Delphine was announced I thought get him one Premier League got that leadership, I think documentary just come out so you could see that he was quite a strong member big character and I was thinking 9 million pounds he might just bring that leadership we all knew he wasn't the greatest footballer but he might just bring that leadership maybe a full nevertheless leadership that we need into this squad and he hasn't seen spent 99% of his time on the injury bed the other rest of it he spends arguing with fans and he's been a shopping signing and we haven't signed that's a shocking signing we were sitting here saying 8 million not too much, hopefully bringing the leadership might be a decent player there will be one again I think it's more of a signing where there was more scratch there when it happened I will be hasn't been a success at the club so far and I agree with you I think there was a plan for Alex I will be and it just hasn't worked out I think maybe the club put a bit too much source than Alex I will be and what he could potentially achieve and who knows if he stays on at the club he might still be able to achieve good things but there's been a lot of other players that Marcel Brands has brought in that ultimately look like top top players for the future Ben Goffrey being one of them Ben Goffrey doesn't sign without Marcel Brands and he's been absolutely excellent he's been our player this season even going through the lads that are currently out on loan Janet Brangford coming the last nine games of last season was fantastic now out on loan and I'll add some up good times back dire bad times but looks like I'm really really good player for the future now's in Kungu coming and has been impressive when he's played or hasn't played an awful lot like you said in terms of some of the face team as you look at all of the face team as we signed this summer I think Abdul-Aida Cora he was a brand signing and you know he's had a positive impact Alan obviously and Hamers were Carlo and Tlothi signings in the same way as that Richardson Marcel Brands signing but look at him coming through Marcel Brands I believe he had a meaner was through Marcel Brands you know like you said we brought in Andre Gomez who okay hasn't worked in the long run but had a really good season on loan so there's a point of this way if Everton wouldn't have signed Andre Gomez after that loan season and then signed another midfielder he wouldn't have worked we'd all still be sitting here saying why didn't we just go and sign Andre Gomez when he was on loan for £20m and I was ecstatic I was over the moon we've got a brilliant player in he's in on a payment and he's committed and he was great on loan last season as it worked out but I suppose that's all part and parcel of being the director of football Everton could go on tomorrow and sign Lionel Messi Lionel Messi could come in next season score $50 or he could do absolutely nothing arguing with fans Lionel Messi but when we signed then we all said oh my god think of what could happen so don't get me wrong he's brought in some bad players or he's made some bad signs for the money that we've spent for it that way but even like to Moise Keane who hasn't worked will make a profit on Moise Keane so just from a sheer financial business side of it okay he might not work as a footballer but if we make a profit and just sort of scratch the name off the list then you know it's worked in terms of bringing in a player that they played that much and then selling them on for a profit so I think I'm happy with it for me this summer whether Marcel Brand signed a new contract or not, whether I haven't finished in Europe or not this summer is massive now it really really is because if we don't finish in Europe this season next season is an absolute must if we do finish in Europe this season then obviously we have to improve the squad drastically because it's not good enough to play in Europe so this summer for me will be very very telling with brands and Carlo Ancelotti he brought in the nucleus of a team he brought in the likes of Ben Goffrey I'd like to see a lot more Ben Goffrey-esque players i young players with hunger and a lot to improve as well as a lot of quality and then we added that extra bit of quality with hammers and our land so I think we need another four, five, six players of that quality hopefully a Max Addins hopefully a right winger and hopefully a couple of more players that I've got along the future ahead of them and I've got something to prove and something to achieve at the football club I personally think it's good news I get why some people wouldn't think it's good news and I get why some people have their reservations but as you said before stability wise it's you know if we'd have, if most of the brands have walked at the end of the season we'd have had to sign another director of football and effectively it would be the same wouldn't be the same but it would be a very similar scenario as if Carlo Ancelotti was sat now we'd go right back to a five year plan and would be a year one it would be a little bit different because we'd still have to manage it and the players were effectively that last three years will have just been swiped and would go back to day one and who knows most of the brands and Carlo might have talked about the players they want and said yeah we'll bring in Max Addins we'll bring in this player, we'll bring in that player where there's a new director of football might have come in and went now I want to go and sign you know I don't know I don't know, kiss the honour in all those cousins or something because he's just the honour in all those cousins so adding visibility it's a good thing I get people's reservations I understand that but ultimately it's a big big summer now for Marcel Brands and he's got the contract and he's got to go and prove it now Yeah that's the thing isn't it you mentioned stability it is important bringing stability to the club bringing in new staff now and changing things around give him time, he's got players at the door now it's time for bringing players in but there you go Marcel Brands signed a new contract and moving on to the Arsenal game this Friday are you feeling confident it's a big game I suppose it's a super elite super powered team with all the money in the world but listen the last three games we've been last probably since West Brom to be honest we've not been the greatest team and we've had a few games that let ourselves down like the palace price and we couldn't better even top them made the game to win them and let ourselves down with poor defendants so for me this is a must win game especially if you want your this season the Arsenal haven't been great especially with the drop point to get to full them at all last week so is this a must win game for you are you feeling confident I am feeling confident to be honest purely on the basis that I think Arsenal's players and maybe manager will feel a little bit betrayed by the club in terms of that what's happened the last few days or so but ultimately the first thing with evidence and it's always the first thing with evidence the same every year is that we looked at the Tottenham game which was disappointing and obviously we threw it ourselves and we gifted them their goals and we didn't take our chances but then you look at that and you think well if we'd have performed like that against Brighton quite comfortably and if we'd have performed like that against Palace we'd have won that game but we didn't we sat off, we sat back, we allowed them teams to get something out of it and then the game that we actually stepped into and we stepped forward and we actually pressed the team and we got on the team we made two stupid mistakes and I allowed the most clinical striker in the league to to score the goals so I all bet that would come out and adopt that same style for Arsenal as we did against Tottenham where we stepped forward and we actually get at them whether we will or not as well as we'll have to wait for Carlos best confidence tomorrow to determine who's fit and who's not fit and who's whether Calvert Lewin's back in it or whatever he's not but I am feeling confident to be honest with you mate I think even taking away everything that's going on in football recently I don't think Arsenal are the best team by a cwm sy'n myel, I think they're quite poor I think Lacazette might be out injured I think they've got a shaky defence at the best of time so this is a game that must look to win we have to win if we've got any aspiration of Europe now which again depending on whether these clubs get sanctioned or get punished or whatever let's say the likely situation is none of them get punished and they just get swept under the carpet I don't know whether yours may be a little bit too far of a step in front but if the belief is delivered by the players let's go out and show that belief, go out and show that fight that, listen Carlo Enschlott he's going to come out either way tomorrow in his best comment and say yeah we still believe so go and show that belief and if you've got a genuine belief you'll beat Arsenal because as much as he might think that a super big massive ultimately brilliant club they're a mid-table Premier League club of best they're not a good club, sorry they're a mid-table Premier League team of best they're not a good team whatsoever so go out and show that and go out and beat them because we've got more than enough quality to do so am I confident? No because we haven't won in three games and in all three of those games except Brighton where we didn't have a chance to certainly Palace and Tottenham we had a lot of chances we didn't take Tottenham game was a lot better, the goals Guilffy Tickets and second goal was unbelievable but now we're going to go out and win this game now it's been too long since we've won Well go on to finish off then what's your score prediction? I hate doing these Didn't I get the Tottenham game right last week? I'm sure you got it right I'm sure you said 2-2 I'm going to go with I'll go with 2-1 Everton Tithe but enough to get us over the line and beat them and then hopefully give us that little bit of confidence and momentum for the last however many games of the season it just feels really dry football it's ironic this time last year not this time last year but at this point in the season last year we were all sitting there going football is being suspended for the last however many months is there really a point in playing these games watching it for anybody it just seemed like we were going through the motions and I do feel like the remaining however many games are going to feel like that now because of everything that's going on and if it just gets swept under the carpet getting me those top six even the 14 clubs will probably be sitting there going what's the point if people can just go and do what they've done and get away with it it's going to be very difficult for Fn anything to get motivation I think after this certainly players and managers because they've been thrown under the bus as well but hopefully Everton have got that motivation I just thought we don't become complacent I'm going to go with a 1-0 Everton win feeling confident they're not they're not offensively great but we're not scoring a lot of goals and they're not great at going forward either they just couldn't get the ball at the pitch they got them out ball so I'm going to go with a 1-0 Everton we've been brilliant away this season only three we defeat so I'm going to be positive I'm probably going to go the other way because of reverse psychology so there you go exactly so there you go thank you very much Cameron for joining me again if you want to go check out Cameron's channel The Mighty Blues on YouTube thank you very much for watching this toffeeTV podcast or listening if you're listening on audio and if you want more videos exclusive videos including live exclusive videos everyday I said before it's literally cheaper than a big mac then join us on Patreon at toffeeTV and thanks for watching and see you later