 Thank you for taking us company with Y-254 News 데�go, warrant, Canada, And, to which case the way we affect any situation in the region that we currently concerns in Yrotapana from schools. Should you be responsible for the KB and that you will aspiration to Nova Laguna Nation, then the boys should forgive what is taking place at this time. Therefore the cassitons, hibura mendoza kutu mendoza hiziru udoqa hafama kimzoa. Ok, kico ohi Kikilishimu. Man rule nila, hibu kysHi na kuswa mendoza kuha kuruha huwa? Asu wat the president launched when he launched the mortgage financing and refinancing fund similar to what I had alluded in the same panel, sometimes back. Your question is whether the government is at war with the citizens or not. The government is not at war with its people. The government is in a detachment with the people because the government is a structure that is supposed to use various mechanisms as established in public policy which then informs the decisions that a government makes. Therefore in a public policy prescribes that are people that are going to be affected by a decision must be involved in the decision making process that is outright. And what you are seeing and what Senator Sakaja has already said is as a result of bad advices to the state because today I saw the president himself go to Mbakasi and to those depots whereby he ordered that they be released within three weeks. Therefore a government is an organized system that has structures and in that architecture it is for the people who are given various duties in different ministries to advise the government accordingly. So they have failed the president and in this case and you saw the president himself took it upon himself and went to those depots to actually confirm and see to it that the containers are released. So my opener is the advices of the state are not doing their job as they should be. Alright Don what do you think is the government at war with its citizens? Yes first I'd wish to appreciate our viewers and secondly I'd wish to pick it from your question. Maybe saying that the government is at war with its people would be a broader term but yes I think the government is at war with its people. My take on this is simple. There's a lot of issues that have come up especially currently. We call them the current trends that are not merging with what the common manenichi thinks or at least knows. Take Udunuma Namba for example the decision to come up with Udunuma Namba might seem very nob but how did we do it? The mobilization and the things that happened on the ground and how it was Hudson, how the people were forced to do it without necessarily knowing why they are doing it, what it is for and the rumours surrounding it, religion and as such really informs any public opinion that the government is not connecting to the people one on one. So while maybe simply saying that the government is at war with its people might appear a little bit a broader term but it looks so. Gojuri the petition is still ongoing about the 1.5% revenue or the cut to the housing agenda and that's one thing that also people feel like is this government pushing us so hard? Okay, I wouldn't infer that completely in that case but I would in a way blame those that are supposed to make sure that public policy is indeed what the citizens want. If you look at advanced democracy hereally you will realize that before the government does implement any policies, they are what they call town hall meetings, people are involved and in cases you have heard of the leftist, rightist and the centrist. That one means that there are people who have prescribed to a certain ideology. For example, farmers who would perhaps be opposed to a government's policy on ending or bringing, let's say ending poetry farming in certain areas because of a certain disease. That therefore would inform the decision that government makes in agricultural policies in such specific areas. But in our country and especially after the handshake you find that politics, the political behavior and the governance system has changed abruptly. You see that before the handshake we used to have, the government was always being checked but as it is right now power seems to be concentrated on one end. And as history teaches us as it happened after the way my republic collapsed it is very dangerous that was in Germany. It is very dangerous to concentrate power within one sphere. So my take on this is that and I appreciate that the president did launch a fund that is going to ensure that even the private sector is involved in the housing project. But again my reservations as it was then were the government needs not to force people to take that 1.5% housing house levy because some people have houses, we have people who have already been servicing mortgages. Therefore I sit at an angle that I believe that let government and in this case I have a problem with those advices because advices... And truly you seem to have a problem with the advices. Yes, indeed the ministries because even in the ministries they are the ones who are supposed to advise the cabinet secretaries and the state accordingly. But when they don't tell the state the truth as it is then we find ourselves because yes we want to fight people who bring goods that are substandard in our country. But at the same time we need a free market whereby any person who wishes to export second hand machines or second hand goods that are going to be used in our motor vehicles can be allowed to do so as long as that person follows what is prescribed in the law. We don't want to have a situation whereby cattle take advantage of that and because we now have politics of 2022 and politics of superiority as it is right now some people might want to fix the president or even fix the state. In a way that people will say that the president is not doing his job but again these are people who are I would say another weird house of cards which is doing some things here and there to frustrate what the state is doing. So my take is let those that are given the job of ensuring that there is good policies and they advise the government as they should does their job accordingly. Alright now Don as you respond to the levy and the spare parts that were recently banned but it was misquoted they didn't mean the entire thing but now what's your take as a Kenyan? Well first I wish to respond to my panelist. I really think that when it comes to policies before they are enforced they need to be counter-checked. So entirely I won't blame maybe the advisers because look at the policies that came with the effecting Uduma Namba. Actually they come on Mananishi on the ground until right now that the Uduma Namba is almost ending does not even know what it is. Leave alone what it is used for. So people just ended up doing it. Come again to the house levy that has issues with the state in court. It came down to people that still don't understand what it is, how is it going to be effected and to who is it benefiting. You understand. So my take is most of these the policies that we are currently having being effected by the government today most of them we don't understand. And while I don't bring this down to the president who assends to most of them still he has to shoulder part of the blames. So I think that I'm still holding to the view that. Hold on you'll have the minute. I still think that before assenting to the bills or even to the just repeal policies we need to gather public opinion on it even for a week. Like the Uduma Namba it should have the complaints should have been brought at least for a week. Don't you think if everything will be brought to the public they will refuse? Definitely they will refuse but maybe they would bring their views on how they want it done. Personally I really believe that the Uduma Namba the digitization was so good it was going to help in the security sector a lot of things identification when you just do the facial recognition. We've seen this work in the US. We've seen it work in most of the modern nation. But how were the policies brought where they are? They took processes and procedures. They were just not somebody wake up in the morning and then evening once the police is affected. So the only problem is they didn't involve the public. Exactly. Yes you see in any government system we have people who are called think tanks. For example in the ministry of interior which is responsible for the registration because this is an issue of national security. We have those think tanks that sit down these are different experts who will advise the ministry accordingly. They will be able to decipher depending on law, depending on logic, depending on science and facts. So these are the guys who will then go to the ministry and tell the ministry the Uduma Namba process has some hiccups. Because of this and this and this there is a problem in openness in this program. Why don't we go back and educate the people what the Uduma Namba is all about. So that one consists of the people who are devised. In this case they are not necessarily the normal financial political advisers we know. But these are the guys who have that knowledge and they are the ones who are supposed to now instigate that kind of a discourse. So when we have an open communication in a government system, citizens tend to trust that system. When we have civic participation and when citizens become a paragon of the civic virtue. Or when the citizens become an excellence of that participation process. Then in that case we are able to say that there is openness in governance. The issue of public participation is at least in national government. We have seen that public participation is not being taken seriously. That one I agree. So what needs to happen the government needs to invest in elaborate public participation process. So that when such an issue arises we also have a lot of uncertainties in the Uduma Namba. We saw the president had to come out and at least try and verify and put some issues clear. That is not the work of the president. That is the work that we used to see in IBC when we had the issue of voter registration. We used to see the late Chris Musando address journalists every hour, every minute. Telling them this is how we are going to do and the government IBC intends to register this process full proof. Such kind of issues you bring people closer to information. That is the only way that you can be able to remove any doubt. I see you have a reaction. I want you to do it so fast. We don't have time. You will agree with me that if you have collected all the so called government think tanks and advisers. We agree with you that the number is very less. Probably less than 1000 across the whole nation. So all we are saying is this nation has over 40% literacy level. People with at least up post secondary knowledge. So we are saying that taking the view of 1000 people on behalf of 40 million Kenyans and simply rushing the decision to effect whatever you want is not good enough. Let's finish with what happened just recently and this is a situation that you bring international problems that is Kenya and United Arab Emirates. This is about the gold scum. This is an issue that is ongoing but still it will affect most of the Kenyans. It will affect the trade, it will affect our economy because we relate with them economically in terms of what we get from them and what they get from us. What is your take? Yes that is true precisely. This is an issue of not only Kenyan government. I want you to do it briefly but you don't have time. Yes but an issue of geopolitical importance. Remember when the president's name is brought into such a discussion then that one ceases to be just a small issue. But again where did the president's name get into in this camp? We have some Kondmen who in a way because they have found themselves in a fix will now want to use the handshake advantage and now because if you have listened to the phone conversations and how the conversations went you realize that that is a politically motivated comment that I don't know who has been told to meet the president and then the president distracts the cabinet secretary. That now brings down our international relations course as a country because if it is going to be proven that indeed there are people who are kond that gold now what were Dubai. If it is going to be proven that they were truly kond and that the gold will not be taken to where it was to be shipped then therefore the relations between our country and Dubai would be compromised and remember there are so many Kenyans that work in Dubai to date people who works as security guards, people who works as cooks in hotels people who works in banks each and every day there are people who are going to Dubai to work there so this could in a way jeopardize our geopolitical relations with United Arab Emirates and I wish to besit the president and the involved agencies to disown these kondmen let them undergo the full arm of the law let them be prosecuted because of creating a scam that will go in a way in history to jeopardize the relations that we have had with that country Alright Don, very fast you find your thoughts on this First I wish to register my huge disappointment that the people that are assumed to have kond the royal family from the United Arab Emirates are leaders I am so disappointed secondly that senator Moses Wetangula who was widely mentioned has not resigned until now that is one huge error I really want to advise the senator that the fact that he is widely mentioned he ought to have resigned and paved way for serious investigations secondly our relations as a nation with the United Arab Emirates if widely it's not a secret we all know that there are so many Kenyans on the other side and we have those guys trading here and such a thing, such a scam that goes into hundreds of millions does not just affect two individuals or three individuals that are widely mentioned the president include it it affects thousands and hundreds of thousands of Kenyans on the other side of the ocean third wish to bring my opinion of this finally that the people were widely mentioned especially if you are an elected leader can you step aside tell the generation after you that you are a serious Kenyan that needs, that shows that you are a leader once you are widely mentioned in such a scam into millions quit and you will be brought back by the same vote once you are cleared we are out of time just a second before we finish I had had a certain youth by the name Nyokye telling me that there is a lot of harassment in this city and the city as caris are doing a very bad job when it comes to dealing with the people even if they have offended they have gone against the law you speaking of the hokas let the county as caris follow the law that is what is due nothing else to youping your message you will get to them many thanks for keeping us company they have been my guests Karyuki Ngonjuri and Donna Naklet political analyst now coming up next is Uwai Mashariki stay tuned I will see you on Friday my name is Dereva Hilawee have a good night