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So much good stuff and good day internet. You gotta become a member at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Facebook is offering test access to some users of its desktop redesign that it first announced last April. The new look is supposed to be less cluttered using brighter icons and has an optional dark mode. Test users will see a pop-up inviting them to what the company is calling the new Facebook with an option to switch back to the old look if they choose. Facebook is also asking for feedback on the new design. Massimo Corporation, which develops signal processing technology for healthcare monitors and a spin off circuit core laboratories are suing Apple for improper use of trade secrets. The lawsuit claims Apple got secret information from Massimo in 2013 and used it to infringe 10 patents including methods to measure oxygen levels in blood and heart rate using light emitters and detectors. Uber will stop operations in Columbia at the end of this month. Late last year a court ordered Uber to cease operations for violating competition rules. Uber says it's going to continue to fight for the rights of its drivers and riders and it sent a letter to the government of Columbia this week saying it may sue under the free trade agreement that Columbia has with the United States. The US International Trade Commission is investigating allegations of patent violations by Phillips against Fitbit and Garmin. The case covers four Phillips patents on functions including motion tracking and alarm reporting. India's highest court ruled Friday that a 150 day internet blackout and Indian administered cashmere violated Indian telecommunications law. India's government claimed the blackout was a security measure to prevent protest after a change to cashmere's special status. However, Justice N.V. Ramana ruled that quote, freedom of internet access is a fundamental right. The court has given the government of India a week to revise its policies and become more transparent about internet shutdown orders in the future. All right, let's start by talking a little bit about Microsoft and some hot water. A former contractor working in Beijing had spoken to The Guardian about a grading program to transcribe and vet audio from Skype translations and Cortana requests, both Microsoft companies. The British contractor said that he reviewed thousands of potentially sensitive recordings on his personal laptop for two years while he was working in Beijing. The contractor also said that both usernames and passwords for other contractors were emailed to new hires in plain text and then shared between multiple contractors to make logins easier. Microsoft says it has ended that program and moved human grading into secure facilities, none of which are in China. Microsoft also says that the snippets are a very small percentage of de-identified content and not more than 10 seconds long. Yes, a lot of this is an echo of the stories we had in 2019 about this sort of thing. People's information, very small amount, but sometimes people's information being reviewed by contractors and where companies being transparent enough. The Guardian story is very much about this contractor saying how bad the security control of that information was by the company he was contracting to. So the question becomes how responsible was Microsoft for this? Should they have been looking into this contractor more? They've done the right thing since it came to light, obviously. But I don't know that there's much that we can learn from this or move on. It seems like the companies all know that this is not acceptable now. Yeah, again, Microsoft not overseeing the day-to-day operations of a third-party company. Well, sometimes things slip through the cracks, but not knowing things like usernames and passwords and how they're shared and the fact that a bunch of passwords were being used by multiple people just to make it kind of easier to log in and the fact that this was coming from within China and even if there are 10-second snippets, some of this is accidental audio that's picked up. A lot of this can be sensitive information. Who had access to this information based on the way that the internet works there and who might still have it? Yeah, I'm not as concerned about the China part as I am that they're still not monitored by Microsoft themselves. I think that's the problem that these companies need to deal with is that there's just some sense of information you don't send out to third parties. I mean, they can make their own office in China if that's possible. I'm just, you know... And they have. Microsoft has operations in China, so yeah. Yeah, I just see no reason why to push that out. That would make me feel better. Keeping that in-house, the way the shoe drops, we know who to blame for it. I mean, I think it's fine to give it to a third-party if that third-party is demonstrably trustworthy and that's been the problem is that they contracted it out simply to save some money, it seems like. Without checking to make sure that these companies were following proper security practices and that's not okay. Absolutely. So let's talk about Nielsen and music. So Nielsen reports that music streaming services grew 30% in the U.S. last year. That's pretty incredible. Reaching one trillion streams for the first time. 82% of music consumption in the United States now comes from streaming music services including Spotify, Apple Music and YouTube. Physical album sales fell 19% to 9%. And of the market in 2019. Nielsen says Post Malone was a top act of 2019 and Drake, Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande were numbers two through five. genre-wise, hip-hop took a 28% share, rock came in at 20% and pop was in third place with 14%. Oh no, we might need to rename popular music if it's not that popular anymore. Right, yeah. Exactly. Hip-hop is the new pop, yeah. You probably never heard of this pop song, very indie. I think streaming services growing does not surprise me. Growing 30% last year is a big bump. That's a big jump. That's a lot of adoption happening in the U.S. at least in 2019. I think a lot of that has to do with especially mobile carriers sometimes bundling this into their deals. I know my most recent Verizon plan ended up giving me Apple Music if I chose a certain tier. So I didn't have to pay for it separately. I was like, great, awesome. I'll save $10 a month type thing. And I just, more folks having the bandwidth to be able to enjoy the stuff. And man, physical album sales falling down to 9%. We've heard so much talk about, well, the hipsters and DJs are keeping vinyl alive. Not that people still aren't buying that, but it does seem like we're getting to the end of life here. Yeah, and the majority of that physical decline is CDs. CDs are now just an inconvenient way to get digital music, right? The last time I got a CD was from a Kickstarter I had backed and I knew I was gonna get the CD. It wasn't like it was a surprise, but once I got it, I was like, wait, what do I do with this? Because I also had the MP3s from that Kickstarter, right? So I'm like, I don't have a convenient way to rip this. I don't need to rip it because I got the MP3s. I'm not sure what I'm doing with a CD. And I think 82% of music consumption being streaming. I think that's where everyone, you could literally round that up to everyone and the 18% can complain, but most everyone is just streaming their music now. Is that a weird thing Tom that, I mean, you and I, and I mean, probably most of us here are like, what do we do with this thing? Like just for what a CD is, if I get something from Nintendo, like their music compilations, I'm like, that's great, but I have nowhere to, where do I play this? I have an LP player. In my front room, if I get a vinyl copy of something, I know exactly what to do with it, right? That's so funny. Yeah. Well, and congratulations to Drake, Billie Eilishners, and Ariana Grande. Yes, they're not doing this. And of course, Post Malone, who we had a story on streaming numbers from Spotify. Gosh, last month, I think. Post Malone was their number one artist. So it looks like he's a crowd favorite. Yeah. Hopefully they're making money. I've been streaming more music, like I just use Apple Music through the Amazon Echo and just have it play today's hits quite often. So, you know, I think a lot of this, too, who is the five years ago, there were people who were like, yeah, but streaming, you don't really own the music. What if the album gets yanked for some reason from the service that you use? And, you know, you really aren't in control of that. That does sometimes happen, but less and less frequently. Yeah, it's so great. Streaming music has gotten pretty solid to the point where it is a rare day where I go, where's this album on Apple Music that I wanted and doesn't exist anymore? Now we just need to do TV and we're good. Right. Yeah, seriously, 10 speed and brown shoe pilot is available for streaming. Well, no, we're there. Researchers at Malwarebytes say that an Android phone subsidized by the US government for low income users comes pre-installed with software that installs adware without the user's knowledge or permission. Software is located in the settings app, meaning you could uninstall it, but then you'd be uninstalling the settings app, which means you wouldn't be able to use your phone. So not really a way to uninstall it. A second piece of software called Wireless Update installs your phone's security and system updates, but also other apps without permission. It appears to be a variant of ad ops from a Chinese company that was found to collect user data on blue phones, so that's worrying. And again, if you could remove it, but if you do, you won't get any system and security updates anymore. The $35 phone is called the UMX-U686CL. You get it through Virgin Mobile's assurance wireless program. It's part of the Lifeline Assistance Program, which is a US FCC plan to make free or government subsidized phone service available to millions of low income families. Sprint is investigating this because Sprint owns Virgin Mobile, but said it did not believe the apps were malicious. And malware bytes didn't find any actual malware being installed by these two apps, although malware bytes considers the two apps themselves to be malware. They haven't been installing anything malicious. But I don't think that's the point. It's not whether this is malicious, it's that just because I'm getting a subsidized phone, Lamar, you pointed this out in our prep meeting, doesn't mean I should give up these rights. Yeah, exactly, that was baffling. I know people who have these type of phones who are low income. And if the government is already subsidizing it, what's the point of the ads? That's just greed at that point. I mean, the point of the ads is more money on top of subsidizing. But you're right, this phone is already subsidized. Yeah, government is paying for it. Yeah, it's on top of it. Right, that's my only thing. Yeah, the whole thing of like, well, you could technically uninstall these apps that you might not want adware and just kind of bloatware, even if it's not malicious, like you mentioned, Tom, for the phone to then become useless at that point. That's just insulting. Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, and the subsidized model should have absolutely nothing to do with this. This is actually a great program on the surface. It's a fantastic program. Yeah. Let's be clear, we're not saying this phone isn't free. You have to pay $35 for it. And Sprint is getting money from the government to make up the difference. So putting the ads on top of it, if that wasn't clear, it's not like we're saying, oh, nothing is free. No, no, no, no, this phone should have already been paid for. And then they're putting ads on top of it, which don't give you any control, which no one would accept that from a website under California law or European law. That's ridiculous. So yeah, this is not okay. According to a Pew Research Center survey conducted June 3rd through 17th of 2019, one in five US adults now say they regularly wear a smartwatch or a fitness tracker. Along households that earn more than $75,000 per year, 31% wear one on a regular basis compared with 12% of households with annual income below $30,000. Gender-wise, 25% of women say that they regularly use wearables compared to 18% of men. So I'm gonna wear in more of them. Hispanic and Black adults more likely than Caucasian adults to wear a fitness tracker, 26%, 23%, excuse me, and 20% respectively. What to do with that data, more a matter of dispute. For example, the story has really gotten to my heart. Whether it's acceptable to share health data from wearables with heart disease researchers, 41% said yes, 35% said unacceptable, 22% weren't sure. Yeah, so this is an interesting breakdown. And there's all kinds of speculation you could have about why it breaks down this way. Is it that women wear wearables more often because they're more concerned with health or is it more concerned with weight loss? Is it just a random situation? I don't know. Yeah, that stat was interesting to me because I would never say, well, women care more about fitness than men because that's not true. It depends on the person, of course. And these statistics are, they applied to everybody for different reasons. I think maybe it might have to do with the fact that it's kind of a, in a way, like a piece of jewelry. Maybe women are a little bit more watch-wearing than men in general. I don't know if that's true, but that would be maybe my guess. Certainly more grace-wearing, probably. Yeah, yeah, perhaps. Yeah, and men generally wear, again, we're verging on lots of stereotypes. Forgive us, but men in general will wear, if they wear watches, a lot of times it's wearing them for status symbols, right? And a Fitbit isn't as much of a status symbol as a, as a Rolex. Excuse you, Tom Merritt. This is getting me into trouble. Unless you're Sarah Lane, yeah. Yeah, right, right. Well, I'm glad to be in the black men that that small percentage that has the Apple watch. The sensible middle percentage there. Yeah, exactly. Now, we mentioned in a pre-show, was it the Hispanic and black was, I think you mentioned Sarah, because they were younger. It was like a younger demographic. Roger mentioned that. Roger mentioned Hispanic and black population do tend to be a little younger. And this study did find that amongst younger users, there was higher adoption. So that might affect those numbers. Yeah, it's really interesting right now. It's also interesting to me just in a meta sense that we have enough people wearing these devices now to do a meta study like this. 31% of people making $75,000 or more wear them. Even 12% of people with annual income below 30,000 wearing one. That tells me that it's not mass. It's not like everybody you meet is gonna have wearable, but it's certainly more than it used to be where it was perceived as like, well, you must be just a real enthusiast about something to wear this. It's becoming a little more mainstream. Well, and again, going back five years and a little bit more, the whole kind of wearable fitness tracker, the market was still testing the waters. And there were a lot of people who were just like, I'm not gonna wear that. I don't care how many steps I've taken a day. But the smartwatch has blossomed into so much more than that, you know, an extension of your smartphone, giving you all sorts of data. And fitness trackers, even, I'm wearing the Fitbit Versa 2, it is very fitness oriented, but it gives me a lot of other information that has made it more, it is a source of information for me, not just an exercise tool. Although it is that as well. Yeah, I went from not really wanting to wear the Apple Watch when it first came out. I wore it for like a month and then we ended up giving it away at Nurtacular to trying it again a couple of years later and now I'm hooked. I love the, mostly the fitness stuff, but as a side benefit, the notifications, you know, the weather, I don't use it as much to control things. Like I'll have my podcast player controls on there, but that seems a little finicky sometimes. But yeah, I suppose I'm one of those unusual white men that were aware of it. Yeah, I use mine for this really interesting, this is like the latest one, the Series 5, I believe, or yeah, so I found this great use for this, it's called Time, where you can find out what time it is during the day and I find that very fascinating for this device. I should try that, is that an app? It's actually built in and most people don't see it. I don't like bloatware on my watch. Oh, maybe you can uninstall it then. Yes, it's my own. But I mean, we joke, but at the same time, for many years I didn't wear a watch because I was like, I always have my iPhone with me like how hard is it? And even when I started to wear my Fitbit, it took a solid month for me to stop reaching for my phone wherever my phone was, my pocket or purse or at the table next to me and finally I've now finally gotten to the point where I'm like, the time is a part of me. It's 1 to 48 PM Pacific. And that's like, it's going backwards a little bit, but it has been really nice to retrain myself to wear a watch. It sounds silly, but you're right, LaBar. It is one of the major benefits of wearing a watch. Watch wearers already knew this, but now we're part of it. Yeah, yeah, we're part of it. One of you, one of you. Hey, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. And Gadget handed out its official Best of CES Awards. They are the CTA partner on this. The best of CES went to Hydra Loop. Remember me mentioning on the show earlier this week that we didn't talk about water recycling enough. Here's our chance. Hydra Loop is a home water purification device that you install and it will take your wastewater, filter it six ways and then reroute it for use in your toilets, your washing machine. If you have a pool, it can water your lawn with it. It's available in Europe already and coming to the United States this year for $4,000. Among the other winners were the Phonak Virto Black hearing aid with Bluetooth, just a very good implementation of that. The withing scan watch, we talked about this on the show that has the heart rate sensor, the ECG and 30-day battery life and a very good looking analog kind of appearance. The wallbox Quasar, which manages an electric vehicle's battery to help power your home. So you keep your car charged but then you can actually supplement the power in your home from your car's battery. It kind of manages that for you. We talked about the Weber Connect Smart Grilling Hub usable with any grill, that won one of the category awards and the Razor Kishi side controllers for your phone also won the Engadget People's Choice Award. The Verge gave its own best in show award to the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Fold and called out the Alienware Concept UFO, Intel's NUC9 Extreme Platform, Samsung's bezel-less 8K screen, the GEC smart switches and dimmers, the hub-less ones. We talked about all those on the show and they gave an award to the Netgear Nighthawk Mesh. We talked about all of these on the shows. So we're gonna talk a little bit about some of the trends we saw here but Lamar, I know you've been following this really closely too. What has caught your eye out of the CES to kind of help us wrap this up? I mean, it's got so much stuff. So I am, I lean towards gaming because that's kind of what I do the most but the, what was it called, the big old from Origin? They had a PC that is a gaming streaming PC but you can also choose to have an installed PS4 Pro or Xbox Digital Edition installed in the case which I think is like really cool. Now that's crazy expensive but for someone who's a streamer- It's the hardware from the PS. It's actual hardware. Not the console, not the box. They take the board out and everything. I guess they got permission to do that. And it looks beautiful. It's a great concept. And again, it's one of those, the new ones are coming out the end of the year. How long-term. But I think if you're an enthusiast, I thought that was like really cool to see on there. That takes me back to the old Ultimate Gaming Machine or UGM that we built on the screensavers way back in the day, which is like a Frankenstein. Oh, the UGM. Stuffed it again. I wasn't even born then. Wow, when was that? Yeah, it was before you were born. Exactly. So also Samsung showed off the Odyssey G9 which is like it's 49-inch ultra-wide gaming monitor which I need, I need it. It's not a one, I need it. Yeah. Because- I need this for my setup here too. Yeah, I have two 27-inch dual monitors and now I want this to replace it. I keep saying I'm gonna get a new monitor and I keep sticking with my old HP 27-inch. I really need to do it. But every time- I've talked about that, yeah. I see the sticker price on these things and I just get, I don't know. Yeah, and then the... Oh yeah, you talked about the concept UFO from Alienware. Yeah, we talked about that a little bit on Tuesday with Sherlock Holmes, yeah. Yeah, so it's a handheld, it looks like a Switch. Did you like it? Did you like this concept? I really do like the concept. I mean, yeah, the Switch is kind of like, you know, I'll say the pioneer, but like what is the popular thing now? But it's something for Windows that can play Windows games. I mean, I'm always looking for a portable Xbox. I think that'd be the dream. And so something like that is at least heading to that direction. The Switch is crazy popular, right? You know, so people- And mobile games are popular. People do want, you know, this stuff on the go. I feel like- I just want to get a handle on this. Caught a lot of people's imagination because if you like the Switch and you're like, oh, but I could play all these games that I can't play on the Switch in a similar fashion with a little bigger screen. Like, yeah, I think that started to get some wheels turning. Exactly. And finally, just a little fun thing that happened at the beginning of the week, the PlayStation 5 local review was fun. I was watching the conference and I felt bad for my fellow comrades who do videos or blogs, whatever, who was sitting there with their cord button just waiting for that moment for the reveal that everybody thought there was no reveal. And I felt bad for people. There was a reveal. It was like the old logo, but with a 5. Yes. So that was a sad afternoon. Or yeah, people just waiting to talk to me. And I just want to take on it that you sent us the link to where they just like, it was kind of a weird flex by Sony to just be like, here's our new logo. Guess what? It's the same as the old logo. Drop the mic. I dropped it. There you go. I loved it. See that it has a column about that. We'll have the link in the show notes. Let me ask you, just you, what are you, like I didn't see everything. I see it. So I was busy here, but like, was it a better show than the year before? I got to say, I, you know, there are, I've been to so many CES shows. They sometimes blend together. And there's, it's very easy, especially for people who reported on it all the time. They kind of go like, oh, we got a Tredge back to Vegas and there's going to be all this vapor wear that never sees the light of day and concept cars that aren't real. And, you know, it's, everyone kind of jokes about that part of it. And that was true this year, but I also saw a lot of just really practical technology. And that's that, you know, I'm a sucker for the big AKTV that I don't need and I'm not going to buy anytime soon, but I still like that. You know, I like the flashy stuff, but really a lot of the home automation, smart IoT devices, things to help you sleep better, you know, stuff where it's like, they didn't really have to sell me that hard on the idea, you know, as long as the product works as advertised. I thought that there was, I was kind of impressed. I felt like CES came down to earth a little bit more this year for me. I heard more people saying, wow, I found more things that I thought were interesting than usual, which the general, you know, Jaded tech press is like, yeah, it's another CES full of vapor wear, right? So there really was a feeling of, there's some interesting stuff. There's also the weird stuff, but there's some interesting stuff. I, we saw smaller TVs being touted, the 48 inch TVs with the OLED panel from LG display, along with the big ones. But that was an interesting trend to be putting a smaller TV as an advantage, right? We saw a lot of foldable screens in concept devices rather than last year when the foldable screen was the concept. They're like, look, we can fold a screen. This year they were like, now that we can fold a screen, here's what we might do with it. Hubless smart home tech that like you said, Sarah the rising tide of health oriented tech, wide use and misuse of AI and things. Though I think with true machine learning, now showing up in products, we saw a lot of products that can make promised automation features, things that they say they could do, but didn't really do well, start to work well. So I think broadly that's, that's where I came out of CES, I agree. It was a better show for practicality than usual. A lot of good CES stories in our subreddit as well. Thanks to everybody who submits stories and votes on others, so they will rise to the top, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. You can also join in the conversation in our Discord and you can join by linking to a Patreon account at patreon.com slash D T N S. All right, let's check in with Chris Christensen. It's 2020 and the amateur traveler has a little news bit about Airbnb's recent milestone. This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute. You're familiar, I would assume with Airbnb which has been disrupting the hotel world as well as the online booking world. One story I missed, but I saw on skift.com that in 2019, Airbnb actually passed up Expedia in the number of room nights booked. And so that's a fairly significant disruption in that industry. Expedia had been for some time the largest booking engine on the planet. And what that does to the future of the accommodation industry is unclear, especially as Airbnb is planning to expand their offerings to be more of a full service offering than they are today. They've already added to accommodations tours and we'll see what else they add. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. And interesting moment. Thank you, Chris. All right, let's check out the mailbag. Yeah, Doug had some thoughts on vehicle pedestrian alerts. We talked about this on the show yesterday. Doug says, your coverage when you talked about vehicle to pedestrian alerts and how they would work with vehicles. I work in the automotive electrical area and thought I'd give you some insights. Actually it was on our Wednesday show. One of the reasons this technology is starting to come out Doug says is there seems to be an agreement to move to a 5G based vehicle to vehicle and vehicle to pedestrian communication system. For years there was a competing standard called DSRC that was a form of wifi and it caused confusion about what would be deployed. One of the arguments for going to a 5G system was that an added benefit would be easier adoption with pedestrians and cyclists as their phones would automatically be carrying the proper radios. As far as interaction goes, while phones will undoubtedly alert users to a threat of a major part of the system will be added a temporal spatial awareness by the vehicle of who is around it and if necessary early triggering of autonomous emergency braking on the vehicle in order to slow or stop it. Yeah, that's a big one. Being able to automatically slow down a vehicle or stop it to avoid hitting a pedestrian is a way bigger part of this equation than the pedestrian necessarily knowing to get out of the way. Doug, thank you for sharing your expertise. I love this email. We need that in LA. Oh yeah, so many. I'm like put that in my car. You know, if I'm in danger of hitting anything at all I mean just stop my car for any reason I'm not able to do so. I agree. Shout out to all our patrons at our master and grand master levels including Tim Ashman, Philip Shane and Jeffrey Zilx. All right, let's check in with Len Peralta who has been busily drawing the topics of the show today. Len, what have you got? Well, you know, this image is called Lamar Wilson's Wild CES Ride and I know that Lamar did not actually make it CES he actually stayed back but this is what I feel- That's why he's so happy. Exactly, he's very, very happy in this image. Yeah, this is what it would, I think it would look like in Lamar's head about all the things he was so excited about. Foldable tech, switch like things, big honking screens and of course, logo only tech of the PS5. You nailed it, you nailed it. And I did have a press badge, I just didn't show up. So yeah, that's all true. It's what is going on inside of Lamar's head. So yeah, this is available right now at my online store at LenPeraltaStore.com or if you're a Patreon member of mine at patreon.com forward slash Len, you can get this right now. It's up there right now. Download it, print it out, make it your own. You even nailed the shirt and the sweatpants. You are amazing. That is exactly what I... Hey man, I do my research for the guests. So there you go. Thank you Len. Also thanks to Lamar Wilson for being with us today. Lamar, what has been going on in your world? Hey, start of the new year, got some cool things coming on YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson. In one hour exactly, I will be dropping a video about me buying the PS2 on eBay and getting scammed. So really interesting video. So I checked it out on my channel in one hour from now. Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm dying to find out what the story is. So I can't wait to... Yeah, it's an interesting story. 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