 The top top Dual or I don't know what they're called but one who Beyblades right before they begin their Beyblade competition Yeah, when the Pokemon comp challenge ships They they what do they say when they like let it let it rip. Let it rip. Let it rip I think that's true that that's a flashback from the early 2000s Yeah, let it rip let it rip and then you would do that and then you just see what happens It was very exciting. Hmm. It was kind of like It's like more it's it's basically it's like ethical cock fighting sort of Except they were probably made by like It would be very unethical to like spin chicken really fast Now we need that scene of the movie where it's like I happen to know the best creature to spin is one of the rarest Like, you know cave bats of the Malaysian hills or something. You're like, oh if you get that one, you'll be you know You dominate So angry because at least with Pokemon you throw them out of the ball and then they're fine Whereas they blade they go into battle and everything gets worse for them because normally they're just trapped in the static spinning top and then No, let it rip happens and they suddenly start spinning and then they finally get out and they really pissed off and immediately start fighting because they're thinking like Who does that to an animal? That's just cruelty. Yeah, I've heard apologists Pokemon apologists Say that The Pokemon like no, no, they like it They like when they battle and because it like it helps them grow strong and it trains them and stuff, which is probably I mean explanations like that do Historically harken back to maybe the transatlantic slave trade, but you know that's I'm sure it's just coincidental But it is odd this idea. Look the Pokemon world building is we don't talk about Pokemon world building. We know we don't We do I guess we do because people say hey read this entry from this card from this Pokemon and we look at the Pokemon We're like, oh, he looks like an interesting fellow And then we read the then we read the pokedex entry from like sun and moon and one of the fucked up new ones And it's like, yeah steals the souls Sun and moon is not that new rags. I think that came out like a decade ago So there's well, you know what that's new ish There is a new quirk with this court apparently because I did update us a day Sometimes Yeah, what is going on there like everyone sounds low bit rate that they go back to normal after a few seconds. That's weird Yeah, I don't know why I wasn't the only one. I thought I was going insane It's so funny. It's like we update it. You like you made it worse Yeah, why didn't you just leave it the way it was? Why have you why did you update it to just make it worse? Oh, well, anyway, hello We're back not that you would have known that we necessarily disappeared I had a few people being like two recorded e-faps in a row. You guys dead and it's like, uh, A little bit dead, you know, no, we would have mentioned we would have said something Well, not the dead one, but the survivors would have mentioned something It's funny that I would get the dead accusations in any way shape or form when I'm like on other live streams I'm like, hello, I'm still alive and they're just like, hmm. I don't know if we can trust that on Mahler's death bed He schedules everything out to release. He's like you're like jigsaw Where after you die, I spend more time being alive than what I was alive in the story Yeah, what oh you you guys think Mahler's a handful when he's alive wait till he's dead And he has all of this all of this stuff that's releasing for years and years and years For every day that goes by we record extra e-faps real bbc's open bars Just everything even gaming streamers for future games don't even out yet. All of it's just Are you okay? Yeah, I'll be fine I heard the sirens. I was just making sure that you were okay. They're not for me I didn't know if they were coming I didn't know if they were police coming to arrest you or an ambulance coming to No police coming to arrest you or an ambulance coming to rescue you know the truly for the chat Dun dun dun Are you help me out here? What what what what what trouble do you think the chat is in? Is chat okay as it struck me so much the low bit rate high bit rate thing, but I just got to go to go to deal with it Got a little drill Yeah, it's just because we're doing a spooky film. I was just gonna try and spook on me You know that they're all like oh god me. It's like yeah, maybe who knows low bit rate is spooky. It is it is Ah Anyway, I have Free was on a fun adventure free tell the world about it I What I went on the trip Now I'm back There you go. What fun what fun things did you do? Do you see any fun? You know, I saw lots. I saw lots of animals. Uh, Unfortunately, they were there because it was a road trip. Unfortunately, there was a Sad amount of uh dead animals on the road Do you see any living animals or was it you only see flat ones? survivors Actually, I did uh yesterday when I was I was coming home. I uh, uh, I was driving down the road I saw a I saw a live uh kangaroo Instead of a dead one and that was very swell You make it seem so And oh yesterday I saw a live animal an actual animal. It was like It was moving There was a lot of a lot of squished critters lots of kangaroos lots Right and get hit by a car. So can we just jump over them kangaroos are like uh Kangaroos are like australia's deers in terms of uh in terms of being the animals that people hit on the road Yeah, we have a lot of warning signs here on the highways that have like yeah, we have them to deer like watch out for deer on them Yeah, we have kangaroo on them and we also A lot of people don't know this but uh, we do the inverse as well where the uh forestry service They'll go out into the woods and they'll do the same thing They'll put out the yellow signs the yellow diamond signs that have a picture of a generic automobile on them About 50 feet into the woods on either side of the road So that deer know as well that you know, they need to watch out and be careful And it works pretty well. All right. Okay. That's interesting You don't see that many animals on the side if you do it's mostly little things like squirrels possums the occasional armadillo A raccoon here and there No, it's mainly it's mainly yeah kangaroos uh or foxes Or uh some rabbits or possums Uh, but I did see plenty of living animals. So that was that was swell. That was really swell. Yeah, that's good I saw a lot of critters. That's good any of them have names Uh, yeah, but I don't remember them if they did. Okay You don't want to name them especially if you're about to hit them with your car If you're driving down the road and you see uh kangaroo or whatnot You don't want to give him a name right before you kill him because that's like killing a pet Once you name it, it's basically your pet and it's your responsibility Did you visit any fantastic landmarks? Uh, yeah, I went to a few national parks. Um, so that was uh, that was really cool. Uh Yeah, like uh Yeah, but basically a few a few national parks along the way Lots of driving lots. Did you see the grand canyon or the Eiffel Tower? No, I uh, just missed those by yeah, there were there were a few a few too many hours out the way Yeah, I figure It sounds like if you can't hit it with your car, you're not interested No, you can hit both of those things with your car You can't you can't hit those things with your car. What does it mean to hit the grand canyon with your car? You just drive into it back to the bottom All right, I uh, I also saw some emus actually I I saw I saw a lot of cows and sheep I saw it Oh, I don't want I don't want to see another cow for a while I I think I might have actually seen literally tens of thousands of cows like Maybe tens of thousands of the last couple of weeks I saw many recently as well We had about a four and a half hour drive south to meet up with a bunch of relatives and stuff and boy Lots of cows lots of cows goats too cows and goats and Oh, yeah store lots of uh, lots of lots of cows lots of sheep some horsies Sorry, some horsies here and there and some goats and some outpackers as well Oh, I have a question if you go to the grand canyon And you let's say you go to the grand canyon you take a shovel with you and you go to inside of it You go to the inside of the grand canyon and you just dig right You're not you're not digging a hole Really, you're just making the one that's there bigger Huh Right That's how that is how it works Is this like a phenomenological question can you dig a hole inside a hole is that I mean I I I would if if I started digging a hole at the grand canyon and so on said stop digging that hole I would say I'm not I'm just making this one bigger I'm actually yeah, I'm just making the one we're in even bigger even larger. I'm making it even more grand. You might even say Uh Would they say that you're making it grand or is it grand just the way it is? Oh, no, you wouldn't be making it bigger because all of the dirt that you take out You would you'd have to like get it out of the grand canyon Actually make it big and you've been there's already made the whole less hole, you know That's right. That's definitely true. You filled up people wouldn't say the hole is smaller But they'd say there's less room in the hole So you'd have to have my next bowl of shawls mules are burros And you have to they have to have big Sacks for dirt and take it up as they do there. So So anyway Anyway, how about everyone's good We never talked about that guy Do oh, oh, yes, Erkyl Poirot the famous belgian detective Um of agatha christie are there any other famous belgian detectives or is it just him? Oh, there's um I don't know of any Who rufus rufus from belgian Antwerp. No, I meant from what from what piece of media? um Antwip the belgian the belgian mr Rufus the belgian detective rufus the belgian detective He's got to be an animal then he has to be rufus the belgian detective and he's like a badger and he puts on his little hat He's like the the frog in the toad I would watch it and it would be fucking great um Where do we uh, because I have no idea how to talk about this film in the way that we usually do Probably going to go a little darty aroundy, but before that Maybe give some kind of preamble on familiarity with proro of which I have very little I saw very little of the show that happened. I'm not sure if I've even seen a full episode I think I did when I was younger and then just cultural pieces of knowledge and then I saw um the 2017 A murder on the orient express I saw Death on the Nile with the famous gal godot or godot. Oh boy. She's she's a very talented actress. She's very good And I saw the new one. That's what people say when she Is in their movie. They say get out get out Nice, that's why they call her that they say gal get out And she doesn't casting director did a great job of getting her in that movie. Uh And so when she's got an insanely good agent Yeah, that's actually probably true. Uh, so I like the way I see it is that uh, the The mirror expands it is but didn't like very much. I was like, eh, and then death on Nile is like, eh And I thought this one would be the exact same experience, but it wasn't for me And uh, then I then I expressed interest in discussing it with these fine gentlemen and they have all now seen it So I that that's my Preamble would anyone else like to provide some backing on their familiarity with mr. Poirot I have a fanatically relevant one It's like relevant to the the previous evap, though on the question of unjustifiable or justifiable murder Um, and it just pops into my mind when you said we were doing this in the last ever Poirot Which I think is just called the last Poirot. It's not called the last Poirot But it's the last ever Poirot the director by ryan johnson Yes, it is it's the sequel to age of belgium, but it's um, the the last thing that you're gonna say is belgium awakens The belgium awakens Um, then the rise of germany would be the third one. Oh, no, that would be the very very dark third one Yeah, um, but the the basic plot is Poirot becomes convinced that there have been this five murders that have happened And everyone like they they think they found the people responsible And so they've all gone to prison but Poirot who is dying because he's really old and he has a bad heart He is convinced that another person is secretly orchestrating all of these various different murders and so he summons everyone to this house and The guy who is there isn't actually directly responsible for killing anyone But Poirot reasons that what this guy is doing is subtly psychologically manipulating people into committing murders And so Poirot's last ever case ends with him shooting the guy and then not taking his heart medication So he dies of a heart attack Now he says in his little letter to captain Hastings after the fact He's not sure that necessarily murdering this person was the right thing to do But he is sure that it stopped other murders from happening. So is that an example of a justifiable murder? It's a bit map Well, it's gonna be down to how you use the words right like if you by justifiable that's strictly referring to I feel that it was morally fine, but the law won't that's what I mean by that statement or whatever it's like that's one thing But um, if you mean yeah, will it be justified as bad like Will it will it justify a murder? It's like like it can't as in like you can't if it is a murder then it's non-just, you know, like law That's like, yeah, definitely. I think if it's if it's murder it is it is an unjustified killing because there are plenty of Murders that I think all of us are gonna be like, yeah, that was probably okay Yeah, like yeah, there could be bad rulings or there could be a really Weird or unjust the law like drinking the freezers done Um, but I think that yeah, it's it's the it's the useful difference between saying this is a killing You've killed someone like if someone tries to rob your house and you shoot them Like that's not murder that's you've killed in self-defense And then you have murder which is you are not justified in taking this life That's why we have you know killing versus murder. It also sounds quite controversial for puro Though I suppose that would be the kind of thing you'd expect to happen in his final story It is and I just quite like the idea that the guy's actual crime is just being a troll and puro can't actually pin evidence on him So he just shoots him I feel like a lot of diehard puro fans might be like, oh, this is very unlike him to do this I think that was my impression because I think it was one of the like It might even have been the last one agatha christy herself ever wrote and said like I think the general consensus was that she was going a bit off the boil toward the end anyway But like my my entire familiarity of pyro comes with the david Shusha david sushi one so the tv show that ran for however many years that was But just as like background entertainment because my dad likes it and my nan likes it So it's that miss marple jerry mcbret shellock homes were just kind of always on Without necessarily ever paying attention to it But it just makes it really weird seeing anyone playing pyro who isn't david sushi Which is why I haven't seen kenneth browner in the role until this film Do you have the two or just this one Just this one Not a bad decision. I am a but anyway Someone in chat has asked I thought murder was premeditated and I I have heard someone else say this as well But uh, you have different degree. Maybe the law is different elsewhere But here in america we have different degrees of murder and we also have manslaughter Um, so like first degree murder is like premeditated planned out murder You're going to go kill the person and I think second degree murder is not intending to kill someone But ending up doing it either as part of another crime Or maybe a crime of passion or something like that where it's murder But it's not premeditated and planned and then you have manslaughter Which is like the accidental murder of someone where you didn't intend to murder anybody Maybe you're playing a prank or maybe you were negligent with something And it ended up killing someone as a result and I think that's manslaughter um And I don't I don't know I'm I'm no lawyer But I don't I don't actually I don't really know any lawyers either So there you go. Take that for what it is very well, uh What about you freeing anything on on the old puro? Yeah, how about you murdered? I I uh, I'm familiar with the character just like through I guess cultural osmosis But I'd say I'm like not particularly familiar. I think I I I think I may have seen the the uh, the 70s uh, or an express film I definitely caught like a few episodes of uh, that british, uh, the tv show that was running And then just like things that you know about The character and like kind of what he represents and his little idiosyncrasies and and all that but yeah I'm not super familiar with her cool pyro Handsome probably gonna mispronounce his name a few times While we're doing this, uh, okay, not everyone will make fun of you or anything. What I uh, I will I've really Known about the newer films is that people didn't really think that they were very good. Um And I like that that murder on the orange express the the one that kenneth browner made was was just like not as good As the one that came out in the 70s And then death on the Nile all I knew about that was everybody making fun of it because gal Gadot can't act Uh, which was really funny That seemed to have been the beginning of everybody realizing she can't act and then uh, a haunting in venice kind of just came and went Uh, it seems like it it came out and it just sort of disappeared just as quickly Uh, yeah, but they make their money. So these Yeah, well, they do make their money But it looks like death on the Nile and a haunting in venice made considerably less Than a murder on the orange express did which is uh, it's a real shame because I want there to be mystery Movies that can you know carry the genre Genre. Yeah, like that can contrast themselves with the really crappy ones. Like it sucks because I I really like haunting in venice. I like it a lot. Um, and I Yeah, well, I I hate the idea that the big popular ones that make all the money and everyone goes like oh my god This is so amazing are the shitty knives out in the shitty glass onion movie when this one is kind of going under the radar And that's pretty amazing right because they're not just like bad. They're some of the worst I think you can do in the genre like I don't know that I've seen worse attempts at it They're well, it's it's they're really bad in part because the goal is to try and not be like a typical Who done it story where it plays itself straight Where it is just exactly what it is some, you know, some crime has occurred and they're really interesting quirky detective Is actually going to figure out who did it and be right instead of like all of this Ah, let's mess around with people's expectations of genre or oh, what if it's just done, huh? These are pretty clever ideas So clever I'm getting to the end of like the lord of the rings or the stand or something like that You get to the end of Some great novel and the ends like ah whatever it just doesn't it's just dumb and it doesn't make sense What have you done with your life all these chapters in all these pages? A lot of people would be pretty miffed. Yeah, like and I was like, oh, I just remember to spell I can kill saur on with mega really it's like yeah, he's so dumb that he didn't think to counter it Okay, and doesn't that make you think about stories or something? Yeah My work here is done and now flies away Is his medieval films with a lot of money Yeah, every all the film critics on youtube are like wow, how clever how incredibly Amazing this was what a subversion of the genre genre that makes it good That makes it really good. I can make a video on how it's it's like that because ryan johnson said that's what the film is I'm gonna lie. Yeah, and if you don't like it, you just didn't get it. You didn't understand it like we understood it I'll pay good money to watch paro dress down Leblanc Anyway, uh, I was gonna say should we get the initial out of the way We'll go one by one because uh, we don't exactly know what everyone here feels about everything about uh Haunting in venice so Could go left to right or could go from what I am least familiar with to most familiar with since I shall be Piloting this meaning Lil platoon could go first if you want. What did you think of a haunting in venice? I liked it. I don't I wasn't blown away by it But I thought I mean it's beautifully shot and actually it didn't exploit venice porn too hard Which is normally how you trick people into thinking that it's beautifully shot You just show people venice and they think oh my goodness how amazing it is But I think it's actually genuinely very well shot Um in in the technical aspects, uh, I I liked That they did give pretty much everybody in there at least one Noticable sort of character dynamic. That was nice. So no one was just there to make up numbers Um, I I slightly lean away from The supernatural elements and also from the world war two stuff I like I like the it gives important context it explains where the characters are and what they think I lean away from that kind of thing though because and the originals kind of Deliberately lent away from it as well in that it's kind of it can be too easy to get away with If you're doing supernatural and also the world war two thing which just brings in sort of A very short hand or it's a shortcut way to establishing sort of background character trauma Which is it's done quite well. It's just a bit too easy And I quite like the fact that in certainly for the entire tv show run, for example They deliberately avoid all of that because it puts Poirot more out of place versus The run of the mill people around him that he is this ambassador almost from an older more civilized age And he's not necessarily been dragged down into the Maya Which is really the excuse for a lot of the character's bad behavior around him So like there's more He doesn't explicitly talk about how going through two wars has changed his perception Oh no, no, and yeah, I'm not saying that's not accounted for I'm saying that I don't necessarily like it in this context I don't necessarily like it for the character like it's not that I don't think it works It's just that I prefer stories that don't necessarily lean on that as much But that's just really a subjective point as opposed to a like a proper criticism of the film not holding up I think it does hold up It's just if you need to establish that Poirot has lost faith Which is the film needs to do in order to establish him rediscovering faith Which the film does by the end Then you need to have a very quick way of doing that and his war experience makes perfect sense as a way to do that It's just quite convenient, I guess, but it's not like a strong criticism by any means Would you say the same about Godzilla minus one? No, but I don't maybe that's the problem is the point of comparison in that I'm sort of looking at the way that Poirot has always been represented At least how I'm familiar with him and just like this is just the things I prefer about how his character is Contrasted with people around him Godzilla minus one is very different because a there isn't that point of comparison in the same way And be like the story is Absolutely hinges on that part of sort of socio historical context in Japan generally in the main character Being the embodiment of all of that I think it works brilliantly well in Godzilla minus one because it was unexpected and because it was maybe More nuanced than this film does with Poirot. I mean it's it's kind of Stock to say that world war two causes character trauma and trauma is Motivation and so we've we've sort of gone through that very quickly It's it's the quickest way to get him to lose his faith in that Whereas minus one is more detailed. I would say But I'm conscious that I'm Prattling on about it that this is not a particularly well-formed critique. So it's okay. Maybe it's just we'll get through to all of it But I was gonna say Fringy if you want to give your thoughts Yeah, I liked it. I was uh, kind of pleasantly surprised again because I really hadn't heard good things about the other Films in a variety of different ways, but I thought this film was cool I think it's uh, I think it was it's a cool idea right to put the really intelligent detective in kind of like a horror maybe supernatural Situation where he has to sort of grapple with uh, unknowns or you know This is mine playing tricks on him. It feels like a sort of fun venue to uh test The character and test his beliefs in an interesting way. Um I think I would also agree that it didn't like blow my mind But I enjoyed it. I think it's a I think it's a neat movie Very well, um regalia. What do you think? I really liked this movie. I've seen it twice And on a second viewing I was able to appreciate and notice a lot of things that wouldn't Stand out or be particularly noteworthy Uh until you sort of had the context of everything So i'm very glad I watched it a second time yesterday with mauler and we Went through it and we you know kind of took our mental notes and actual notes on uh on the movie Um, I I actually really like this. I think it's emotional I think that it has a lot to say there's a lot of layers working Uh working here in tandem. I think that it raises interesting questions It has a lot of different characters who have different perspectives and different personalities It does a lot of things that it doesn't have to do But it does them anyway and it fleshes out this, you know, not just the mystery element, but the The humanization of a lot of the characters who are here It has a great vibe It's not like it's it's that excellent line of being Not a horror movie, but like a scary-ish movie or a suspense movie. It really straddles that line very well for me, um And I think the acting is really excellent all around a lot of the dialogue is very well written There's a lot of subtext to things that people say especially to each other Because some people from the get-go have these kind of standoffish and confrontational attitudes And it gives it gives a lot of I think con it has a lot of confidence in what it's doing for you to pick things up that you might not necessarily get the first time um, and yeah, I Really liked it. I thought it was quite good Very well For me, I was I think I was just interested by the I hadn't seen anything to do with Poirot in a significant way when the A murder in the Orient Express came out of the 2017 version. So I was like, I'll just check that out And I believe it got downgraded halfway through From primary monitor to secondary monitor a shame that no film would ever have to uh deal with but unfortunately What happened and then I remember finishing it and I think I talked to uh Bring it the time about how I was not happy with a lot of the choices in the film We actually managed to re-watch that semi recently and it's gone even further down in my view 2017 murder in the Orient Express the Kenneth Brown on one. Oh, yeah, that's the one. I've only seen the original I haven't seen the remake. It's uh, it's a really lame movie. It's got a lot of uh, now, of course You know bear in mind, uh, I haven't read the book. So only talking about the movie Yeah, only the movie not even the 70s movie just the new movie No, just the this one. There was a lot of things about like some really cringy dialogue like a lot of really shallow stupid lines But that's probably a point to praise this film about right because like that the previous two have had the advantage Which apparently they've completely failed to make use of of actually adapting something which is well known Already written quite well beloveds into like the murder of the on the Orient Express is a Classically known story and it's been done well before and so they had the advantage of doing a straight adaptation And failing to do that whereas this one from what I understand is not anything like a straight adaptation The book that it's coming from is I think it's just called a halloween party Which is not anything like the events of the thing and actually by turning terrible name for a story It's also a pretty crap name for a story, but essentially by using less By using less source material they've actually turned around a better film than the straight attempt at adaptation They've done previously which is actually a point in very much in praise of this film I agree There's much more creativity that they've had to bring to it themselves rather than just leaning on Stuff that other people have already done Mahler and I watched the was it the 2010 episode What happened to my intro? We are we are going with the flow. We are a river. I refuse. Fuck the flow. I'm back everyone here. I am We have my intro shadow. I'm setting you up on a death on the Nile. All right And yeah, don't raise your voice I'm alone in my home The fuck up so death on the Nile. I put it on second monitor and and I don't even know that it managed to survive that It was so When it came out I did stay for the meme line and I think I completed it, but I didn't care Now what's interesting is the haunting of Venice pops up and I was like, oh I guess I'll check that one out Especially because like I'm I'm not interested in this series at all at this point But it's a spooky one apparently. We're just good enough to check out Yeah And um I think I was actually I happened to be in a call with free and it was on the second monitor And it kept kept kept pulling me over every once in a while So with certain lines to the point where I shared a few of them with free. I was like, isn't that a good line? You like it seems like a pretty good I was like That's a good free impression by the way. That's really good. I worked really hard on it I was kind of all my breath but it sounds like it sounds just like him the uh The crazy thing was I was like if the dialogue is good Usually a lot follows from that and so it's uh, it slowly creeped over to the primary monitor Isn't that nuts? I was like, what have you what have you done? You've You've reversed the legacy And you know if I finished it and I was like Something's going on in this movie I think more than I gave it credit to assume like more than more than I thought was ever gonna happen And so yeah, I looked into it and platoon is correct. This is a Kind of an original story. It's taken pieces and by that I mean essentially names From the story it's adapting And I was curious to see what the tv show vision of the You know the same like like what what episode they created by adapting the same story Yes, me and rags watched that um quite enjoyable and it's uh, you know, it's all right David souche. Do you say his name was or souche? David suck it douche Hey, um, very very good performance as poirot. Yeah Uh, uh, but the story itself I was you know, I thought it was good. I just didn't find it as interesting as a haunting in venice It's a lot more flat Um Of which rate, you know, I gave this a rewatch with attention to detail And I have all kinds of things to go over things to appreciate and criticize I think that this was surprisingly done by as far as I can tell the same team that did the first two But it is noticeably an improvement from the other two. I don't know what happened to the um the writer I guess because I mean kev brown has been directing for so long now. It would surprise me if he You know learned quote-unquote like how to director feel better between two movies, but it's not impossible. I suppose Um, he's made fun of for his work in Thor because of the dutch angles While I think that the angles I checked a few reviews are made fun of slightly in this film I think they have so much more purpose not that they don't have purpose in Thor Um, but it was something that struck myself and rags quite quickly when rewatching this was the choice for where the just Not distorted like angled view Of any of the scenes went when that mainly takes place versus not Uh, it felt very deliberate a lot of the choices both in script and in direction And yeah, I would have a lot of compliments to the performances and the themes Whomp whomp whomp god zoos We should talk about themes someday. Uh, we should uh hit together one last thing before we start talking about almost anything Is uh, I recommend this film. So we're about to spoil the hell out of it, which means Yes, you best go watch it first if you find what we've talked about to be something of interest to you You may not enjoy it, but you also may who knows so consider that before you start listening further I second this I really like this movie And I think you should see it if you're interested So we will be spoiling the fuck out of this movie Which means if you want to see it Leave now go away be gone and then watch the reupload once you've watched the movie Yes, which will promptly be placed upon you To those of you who are departing to watch the film immediately Immediately, I salute you good sirs and madams We will see you later, but I know you staying there will be a selection of people who are like I'm not convinced and so maybe you will be as we discuss it Who knows if our word means nothing to you, but fair enough. That's fine. That's all right. That's good Um, yeah, I'm pretty much ready to start talking about it. Is there anything else you guys want to talk about first? Yeah, uh, remember, uh, this is a little bit of setup and payoff But you know how earlier I set up that I had a drink in the freezer and then I was talking and the chime went off Uh I'm in the payoff stage where I need to go and grab before mention of beverage before it freezes in the freezer That's the name. So I'll be back in a moment Uh little platoon you Talk about you talk about your favorite rock formation and I will return shortly my favorite rock formation um is probably Uh a geodude I think because it's it's a hardy little pokemon Um and like the design is pretty cool. It evolves into it evolves into a gravola Which is kind of shit, but then it evolves into a golem which can basically be a tank in your party So yeah, my favorite rock formation is definitely the geodude. I was about to say geodudes look coolest looking out of the three of those for sure Yeah All of the names of the other two Graveler and golem I think yeah Yeah, I I don't remember them really I remember What hold on like Let me refresh my memory We aren't isn't everyone supposed to remember all of the first 151 most of the second like the 200 whatever the fuck they added in gold And then he gets complicated anything after that Yeah, that's about it. Yeah, I remember him. Yeah He was there be surprised you did Yeah, little rock guy with his arms going. Yeah, look at me go And then he gets a movie like rocky but instead it's called geodude. I wanted to take to retrieve a drink I'm here. I was actually I wanted to wait. I wanted to wait until fringy was done before I uh He's talking about pokemon. I got I got a I got some pokemon cards lately recently I got um Charmander Well, maybe I should go in order I got Bulbasaur. I got venus. No Bulbasaur Bulbasaur, Ivysaur and venus or and I got Oh Charmander Charmeleon and Charizard and I got Squirtle Squirtle or turtle and blastoise. He sent me two blastoises by mistake, but that's all They're very cool. Yeah, they're worse mistakes. I love it's good nostalgia You know good nostalgia to finally kind of have they got a display case for him. They look quite nice Boy, I should have loved pokemon so Um, probably not going to do this the way that we do a lot of breakdowns I would prefer to probably summarize the basic plot relatively quickly and then go back through and talk about different elements all that so Uh, I guess what's interesting is this is the third film in Kenneth Branagh's Poirot series and it is uh It begins with him having been like he's retired, which is uh You think like I was coming to a close almost then his um, I mean maybe his 10 years as Poirot, which I think they want to make a fourth one and this one's done well enough that I imagine they they could be prompted to do So certainly it was funny. I think when I was talking about it I mentioned it ending on a On a cliffhanger and someone was like I don't know if it was in a stream or not But I think it could have been when I was streaming in one of the games But someone was like that's not what the fuck do you need that and I who done it like oh come back next I was like no no no And I go in like a good way like in a way that he's reinvigorated ready for case I'm not like they did they found the joker card Or uh, some kind of fucking reference to some evil killer and he's going to get him next time It was nothing like that. It was like a much more positive one backward stories You know debate the future in a more broad and uplifting sense But um, he's back to work. I think Kenneth Branagh has talked about the possibility of doing Hate to use these words, but an Agatha Christie cinematic universe Because like she weaves plenty of different characters Throughout all of her many many different creations. They actually burned through one of them in this film That's Ariadne's character because like she pops up quite a lot as kind of a stand-in For Agatha Christie herself to explain like the basics of detective novel writing So it's kind of like a meta character But as we'll see in this film like she doesn't come out of it particularly well But I quite like the idea of Poirot Miss Marple crossover at some point in the future Having looked over uh, some of the people's reviews of this most of the negative ones I saw reference to how upset fans were with what they've done with Ariadne Olyval She's not a character. They wanted to see fill this role Considering the source material, which I mean, I'm just not familiar with the source material So I can understand either, but uh, I quite like her character in this obviously role she fulfills Also played very well by Tina Fey who you just don't see in much drama stuff More comedy ladies as far as I know, I don't see her in much at all actually She's in 30 rock, right? Yeah, she was uh, I feel like I haven't seen her in a movie for a while. She was in mean girls Yeah, and I guess that means that she would have been in the the the remake one that they did, right? Oh, maybe yeah, that could make sense. Um Oh, that came and went didn't it? Yeah, yeah, I think it made a lot of money though. So Oh, she wrote mean girls. That's cool Did she okay? I did not know that if that's true even I just read it from chat anyway, he is retired Huaro and he is uh, uh Met by Ariadne his his old writer friend who uh invites him to a palazzo where she believes that a woman is going to perform a seance that She has seen previously and believes to be real and she thinks it will Defeat Huaro or rather that she wants Huaro to defeat her. She wants to put them together and She's also expressed like a thing of how she's dried up on books. She wants Ideas inspiration. She wants to have a hit. So this seems like a really good idea to her Which um, as with most things told by any character in this film You get like the half truth at first and then you get the full amount later Which changes a lot of context in any case they end up going to this palazzo and the Michelle yo plays uh I'm going to Joyce Reynolds is the she's the medium and um Portrait extremely well It's always nice to see her in more and more stuff because I think that everything everyone at once has basically made it So her career is now like just rock solid. She'll have no trouble getting roles that she wants Though as far as i'm aware she's in star trek discovery like all of it She was also in that one of the She didn't look one of the witcher shows or something. She was in some fantasy show Was it blood origin? I think it was yeah, um So, you know not not all bangers shame, but uh, I thought she was really really good at this in any case You know, they do the seance. There's a lot of evidence of strange spooky things happening That are almost unexplainable And uh as the night moves on there are two murders horrifying And by the end of the film poro reveals Despite many different difficult circumstances and all kinds of players involved with all kinds of devices upon this fateful night who the murderer is and uh We reach the end. I guess that's a sort of a summary of what to expect It's not too far outside of what you may have expected in general. It's um I think it's a decent blueprint for a who done it in terms of a broad sense You know things turning out to not be as they seem Um, well, yes an interesting one and and that it is trying to you know, tease the supernatural elements To be like, ah, yeah, some things maybe you can't explain. Oh This that's uh, what's awkward for me someone I've seen it said before people don't like Uh him having to go up against the supernatural and that might be very fair from You know having consumed a lot of his source material The stuff that he's in that that's not something they ever touch and a friend of mine even said that they weren't a huge fan Because this film essentially makes it fact that the supernatural exists Which I don't agree with I don't agree with that either And and you know, I said that to them and and they were like, oh, well, I guess you could interpret it that way But the him going up against it at all just doesn't seem like the kind of story you should be having for him when It's the complete opposite for me. Uh, I was actually more interested by this story because of the fact that you're putting someone Who's definitively like lives in reality against stuff that he can't quite explain And makes it much more challenging to a idea in its core of uh, if you have a character who is very intelligent Um And you've put him in a and and that many characters are kind of looking at the situation like You know as a viewer would look at it, which is I wonder how he will handle something that is dealing with uh elements that are sort of by their very nature, uh more difficult to explain logically that just don't appear to uh Uh don't appear to be congruent with like the you know, the laws of reality as we understand them that feels like a fun Sort of place to put this kind of character because it's a kind of challenge that you wouldn't typically see them have to deal with I think it works Well, it works really well I think it's just right up until the end point because it's not It's more of an athercone and oil type story in the sense that the supernatural is involved at all It's something that Arthur Conan Doyle quite like doing and had no real trouble putting Sherlock Holmes against Things that seemed to be supernatural and in some cases actually were supernatural I think agatha christie did it a couple of times with pyro But the whole point of it was always supposed to be that He's so intelligent that what seems to be supernatural ultimately is revealed not to be this is just a people being very very clever And also very very scummy so he can see through it by the end But like there's not a complete absence of supernatural Ideas in there. It's just that they are in fact grounded in reality um And I thought that worked pretty well in this one because the it's a fairly common place in in detective stories This sort of thing happens. It's just right at the end when they do broach the prospect at least That the supernatural is real Which is when I I sort of slightly switched off. I didn't hate it It's just that I think it would have been more satisfying had it not been but that might just be like over familiarity with the way these stories usually go um for me that was the furthest they can possibly go without breaking and You know, that was the thing that the friend referenced actually They said that uh, it's it becomes fact that there is a ghost that kills someone at the end. It's like well, no Oh, what we have is the perception of an unreliable narrator, right? He was drugged We don't know what he actually did see it could very well have been her backing away from him And she falls over the edge, but he interprets it as the ghost chucked her off sort of thing um We saw that a couple of times throughout the movie where he was seeing something that wasn't there The very overtly I think even the some of the lines that were sent in the ending feel like they're kind of addressing the That's up to you whether or not you think that was real Yeah, which I think is a bit more preferable I totally understand and appreciate a definitive. No, there is no supernatural I was like, okay, you could tell that sorry, but I also like the angle of just being like We've got all the explanations for the people who want it to be absolutely real But we've also left enough room for the people who Maybe want to believe a bit more in the supernatural that you can Yeah, it feels like a bit more fun to be slightly open But uh, I really do think that if you were if I was forced at gunpoint to choose whether or not any supernatural should exist in this film I'd say no Likewise I would strongly They stress it in the the previous versions of this. So Poirot's big shtick Know all the way through his many depictions. It's utter faith in the gray cells He always mentions the gray cells like he's got immense faith in in rationality and his ability to understand human nature Um, so I think it's cynics. I get leaving it ambiguous at the end for the audience's point of view I think I don't know how well they stress the gray cells in the Kenneth Braniff film So maybe it's just not as big a part of his character in these but leaving it ambiguous for him I think is maybe slightly out of character because they also tie that into his, you know rediscovery of faith Don't they so it's like he's seemingly accepting of the possibility that there is a supernatural explanation for it I don't know the Poirot is that I've seen probably wouldn't be in that way, but Yeah She does say right you saw something and he says I was under the influence my subconscious Mind assembled facts ahead of the rational which is something I think this movie does very well Like actually uses a rational normal human sort of mechanical thing as a way to Implies the supernatural, but it isn't that's um I would actually argue that's that's a A prism of this whole film that I'm actually pretty appreciative of is the a lot of elements are trying They're best through writing and directorial Aspects to convince you that normal things they present normal things in a way that makes you feel like they're not normal at all which I quite like Because by the time you hit the end a lot of it is it makes complete sense or it can be explained Which he does explicitly say is the thing he's here to do and I feel like by the end of it It's reaffirmed even just by moving that uh That uh cup and saucer on the table Symbolically things get put back in order by Poirot is what he does There is a the film does a really good job at establishing that And obviously going into these you don't necessarily know exactly what to expect But it really puts you into the space that the characters are in where they're And it's palazzo. It's night. It's halloween Spooky stuff is going on. How could there possibly be a rational explanation for it? Then you know all the events occur and then by the end, you know, you're out in the sun and it's the next day and um, it's it's very it feels Not claustrophobic or trapped, but it just feels like it's really excellently sort of Contained as a place. It's it's like it's it's a good. It's got that haunted house vibe to it That leans into the oh is are there spooky supernatural things and sort of stuff So that's it's an element the film does really really well Um, I think the the the notion of like the light Revealing all or whatever. There's um lines that relate to the Well, maybe I'm getting a bit too far ahead. We could talk about some of the earliest stuff first But like it's working this conversation is going to be a bit of a darting back and forth Kind of yeah, um, there's a lot of things will harken back to previous Previous events things you might not notice at first time Um You're not gonna I don't think you're gonna be you're not gonna be able to pick up Everything on a first watch through and I think it was kind of definitely designed in that way There's a deliberateness to the way that this is shot. Um And sort of I guess structured as well Even from the first seconds of the movie you're treated with this very off-center dreary Even things aren't quite right imagery Yeah, we're just taking place more so uh in his subconscious slash dreams, right? If that's how I'd believe that because the daylight sort of cinematography is all very strict and static and symmetrical even at times Yeah, one could even call it safe In terms of just there's an implication at the beginning of the film that he has figured out everything Everything is in order and everything is protected. He's in a little fortress and it's partly due to um At least what this film posits which is that he's been around death so much that he's he's had enough retired and now he's living a life Of what one could call indulgence just Taking care of himself and and he's happy and safe And I think that the opening, you know five ten minutes captures it quite well I mean it's it's overtly stated by Ariadne as well She says happiness is not satisfaction Yes, I like that I thought you would like that as well Fringy. That sounds like a line that you'd like Yeah It's um It makes you think don't it. Hmm But I mean it's it's right at the beginning of the movie. So that was uh, it's kind of like You know, if he was like in the first portion of the movie, whatever sort of lines that pop up Like that it's like, oh, we doing we we setting up theme here, aren't we you know Well being in Venice as she describes as a gorgeous relic slowly sinking into the sea Like yeah Yeah, it's like his protecting of himself is slowly killing all the potential he has Yeah, like the the potential he has is this agent in the world for good Yeah, and of course in that scene you have her explaining her desperation to get a good book because uh, who's a flopped recently And that's um again like someone else trying to imply earlier was that she gives you good reason for why she's so obsessed with trying to get him involved in this whole thing, but she simultaneously is running essentially a whole project on him to Trick him and to then write a book about how she successfully fooled a man who She helped build the profile of into being a genius which he clearly has a bit of a bitter resentment for that because He's still famous. He's still sought after while she's uh slowly faded away even though she had 27 best sellers I think she said 27 best sellers in the last three Flood Small beer was the way they were described. She wants a big beer book next. I actually I like that, mr That was quite well done. I thought um Is that you you kind of get used once you've seen enough of these murder mysteries You get used to the scene in the room Where Poirot stands effectively on top of everybody else and just relays exactly how things are and then you kind of think Okay, so that's the mystery solved But the way that they they do sort of the the pre-emptive version of that which is that it actually is not quite that He's correct. But this is not the the crux of the mystery Um, and it goes back to that point every character in that has the one essential sort of setup beat Which is going to have to be paid off and exploited later on as a misdirect I think everybody has at least one kind of misdirecting moment. That's quite satisfying Also, like the little things when um, you know, he's writing down lists when the investigation has started And he gets slightly frumpy and affronted when like the people he's speaking to assume that he's copying The version of him that she wrote Yeah, um that was quite a nice touch. I like that Yeah, because a lot of it also The influence is presumed that he's like stolen it from her books when a lot of would have she's written about At least in this form of the fiction is going to be inspired by what she saw of him Which she does explain at one point as well into contrast between this, uh, Poirot and Uh, the awful Ben Warmblank from the terrible Ryan Johnson movies I do not believe for one second as should no sane person Also believe but there's no way that I believe that this is actually a famous detective that anyone would give the time of day whereas this movie Very early Establishes that he is a well-known name. People do know who he is people wait outside of his house hoping to have himself their mysteries Uh, and then as little platoons sort of set up a bit His that I suppose the the quote unquote foe reveal at the be you know sort of the near of the mystery It lets you know his process and how he looks at things in his way of going about stuff So you can very quickly respect this character and get into that by believing he can really exist You believe the reputation It's not just to explain that because uh the beginning of uh, the 2017 aurean express begins with him solving A mystery, uh, but that one's played out plays out It's obviously meant to be like oh look at how impressive he is but like it was kind of cartoonish At least in that movie like it was it was silly But it was it essentially trying to achieve the same thing of uh establishing that he is he is good He is good at what he does And you can see that for yourself rather than Essentially just having it be asserted by the writer And he's got a he's got an actual personality As a I this is which is fine. It's becoming sort of I guess a discussion on our protagonist you could say Urquil Poirot, but he's I really like him in this movie He has a personality. He has mannerisms. He's not cartoonish He is a person that you can believe is a real person who has been around for decades He's an older man An older gentleman and he has this incredible talent for logic and picking up on details and connecting dots Um, so there's never a moment in this movie where you're like that that person couldn't really exist This is just the the silly detective trope You do a lot of work to establish and get you to believe him as they do all the characters I would say but particularly important for your protagonist who's uh doing the mystery solving Yeah, I think there's a sharpness to him that's never lost and I quite like how Much like self doubt he has but mostly in the scenes where he's alone, which he does The recuse himself to the bathroom a couple of times to have a moment because This case is incredibly stressful and he's been drugged, which he doesn't know So nothing is quite as it seems sort of thing But then when he's in front of other people that you have Ariadne almost throughout the film undermining him first In a friendly jabbing way and then later as like an actually aggressive sort of tearing him down kind of way To help cover up a role in this story And I like how he takes it A bit of an arc that doesn't because she eggs him on it at first and then so You can kind of get the sense that he's getting too close to to her particular hidden truth when that moment clicks She stops saying things like oh, he's back or he's on it now and starts saying oh no, you've clearly gone too far You're losing your mind. Yeah, I'm losing your mind. Stop it now But even earlier when she's like, uh, wow, you know the the door's blowing open that this that is like It's unexplainable. Oh wow. Imagine the name of the book, you know, like, uh Uh, the woman who's you know stumped her kill paro and he's just like the no like I I haven't even had like a second to think Like, you know, because she's she's so desperate to get to that which is the uh the medium and her plan Wins like it actually defeats him Which um, yeah, it's another compliment. I paid to the film You have three characters being the cop Joyce and Ariadne running their own Little racket here Then you have Leopold's Uh and everything he had with the blackmail and his father running then you also have Rowena's in You know attempt to get rid of the blackmailer Um, these are all significant like designs upon what's happening in this house But they all aren't necessarily dependent on or aware of each other And they're all happening at the same time with different clues and different motivations and different lies And that's why It does kind of impress me this film with its dynamism you have paro having to unfurl all of these different, uh plans from all these different people that You know when you're watching it and especially for him you assume there's one big deceits going on that Includes some or a lot of or maybe even one person But it's actually like several plans at once the dual have like a common core Being the Rather than just the singular Yeah, you know who who done it in the sense. It's like uh, but there's yeah, there's another game at play uh, which especially in You know talking about how they have a similar core, but they're in some sense disconnected in a way that that Kind of works in favor of the film by going for a supernatural thing that you can have a lot of things happening That don't seem to have an apparent connection And and really all that does is it contributes to the sort of sense of like white something is wrong Uh, and but further motivates him to actually figure it out And it's super fun in a subversive way as platoon was pointing out When you want 25 26 minutes into the film where he does his patented like here's the truth I've revealed it all even in a having like people revealed in the scene And uh, it was on a second watch dude. I started really appreciate, uh, and I actually think it's better than the other two films his performances paro I feel like you get a big sense of his um frustration with being tricked and Like how good he feels to be able to point out what is true He's got quite a righteous indignation But the second that things get worse so to speak You know first you have michelle yo's performance, which he's a bit confused by and then the doors blow and open Things falling over the disappearing toy. He's like I can't actually explain any of that. Fuck like It's a cool way to undermine Poirot earlier in the film to have him be like right i've got all my pieces I'm done and then a whole bunch more of the jigsaw's revealed And he's like shit. Yeah, it's uh It's it's cool and then and then having like the line sort of address it But the the response Kind of like from the film broadly being well, yeah But just because I can't explain it right now doesn't mean that it's you know Like give me time Let me figure it out because he even though it shakes me still got the belief of I can figure it out by Doing what I normally do Kind of keeps you on your toes keeps the tone uneasy you don't there really isn't that sense of That as he is solving things sort of that first time You get virtually no time to sort of enjoy the cathartic element of you know, the detective has done it again before things You know sort of ramp up once more You don't really get that until the end. You're constantly kind of on your toes looking around things are you know shifty And I think it does a good job of making the audience go like whoa, whoa, whoa What is going on then? Yeah, because I like it's like that was clear evidence that the medium is fucking with us But simultaneously is she fully fucking with us and uh Again as with a lot of what I believe but I essentially think that they work to do all of it Everything in the film have a underlying uh mundane explanation Maybe mundane isn't the right word but the fact that She believes she is absolutely hearing voices and translating, you know trauma from the dead To give them peace to let people know What happened to them that whole thing while the film offers that she's a very traumatized woman Yeah, it does. She does. She's the way that she Yeah, the way that uh, she gets over her I guess we'll kind of bounce around character to character to character as we sort of progress but When you listen to people give their reasons for What their histories are how they feel about things what gives them satisfaction You can sort of understand all of their actions better, which is I mean, it's like good basic character stuff But it's really nailed well in this for everybody and the way that I kind of had mentioned earlier It's not at all necessary for all of the characters because you have a good Basically like a dozen characters and they're all distinct and different and they have their own motivations and reasons for things and relationships with different people involved in the story so It's it's just all it's all very neat and flavorful as a movie There's so much more flatness in other stories Uh that focuses too much on maybe just Poirot or just a couple characters Whereas in this I think they beyond you have this big rich cast Well, I mean we could start with talking about Joyce because she does uh, she's only in the first act so to speak Oh, yeah, of course um I Something I was thinking about while we were talking about I guess this includes her is uh, the the idea that like every character in the story Is given they're provided like a they're provided an actual explanation for why they would be more inclined to Either believe or disbelieve or present believing or disbelieving in the supernatural elements Which is cool because it feels like you could get away with just having the characters believe it just because you know It's like, oh, well, you know, I just think there's more to the world than that or whatever Instead of having there be either reasons that are rooted in you know, like the more fundamental philosophical beliefs or um Things that they're trying to present as part of their own personal schemes to kind of cover things up um, I guess Yeah, well, it's the the setting itself It lends itself well to this to the attitude that a lot of characters have this is takes place in 1947 This is venice venice is in italy allegedly and uh, you know, you got the vatican city in italy It's you know europe. It's the 1940s people are very religious. It's that part of the world So it's not unusual for a lot of characters to just have this sort of attitude and it's not unusual Just the same for other characters to say no it's all bullshit or for people to take the fact of like Oh, I might be you know religious in this element, but dealing with ghosts and spooky things No, no, no, don't do that. Yeah, I'm not about that. So we do get that good You know a diversity Of of opinions here regarding that Yeah, we even get like not just different reasons to believe or to not believe but the people lying about whether or not They actually do right like leopold spends the whole movie trying to fan the flames on the ghostly element Uh somewhat And discredit uh Joyce as well Yeah, it's interesting because he clearly believes in some supernatural element in one sense, but he's like, yeah Yeah, I think she's a liar. Um, which is to say I mean that's I mean, it's not I that's every religious person thinks their religion's correct and the others are wrong That's that's just that's a normal thing to see so this is like a different take on that Element a lot of people who believe in the supernatural also believe in fraudsters I mean every religion warns of false prophets Um, so if we were to start with Joyce I found that uh, and this this applies to throughout the movie There's usually one sequence that gives you a lot of information about a particular character And then it makes them slot in extremely well Uh It's so easy for a character like Poirot And I think the audience somewhat with a medium to be like, yeah, you're you're full of shit, uh, obviously And their conversations almost every line that's shared between Poirot and Joyce is excellent as far as I'm concerned Uh Stuff that there was some of the lines between them was some of the stuff That was actually like dragging me toward the film was like that that was particularly interesting Even yeah, the when they first meet and after the seance, there's just a lot of It really does give you the sense that these lines were chosen very deliberately They take they take advantage of opportunities You have Poirot skepticism about things the way he sees the world Contrast that with hers and what she's doing. Is she real? Is she not? What does she truly believe? Um, they don't waste these Exchanges and interactions every every like conversation has something of value. There's not there's no real There's no chaff in this movie And with her they do a good job at sort of making you wonder What's the extent of her own belief? Is she a fraud? Does she really believe she can do it? If so, how is that possible? There's this uneasiness about her Oh, uh, I was just gonna say that uh, it seemed that she uh, she actually had a lot of uh answers to Kind of like Poirot's questions and jabs like she was prepared To deal with the kinds of things that uh, he would say to her Yeah, like she's been doing this like she's been doing this a while. These are questions. She's heard before She's used to the skepticism. She's not antagonistic to it She's not like, oh, I can't I can't believe you don't believe that I do but she's used to it So she has good intelligent answers to things that are meant to make you think about stuff um, I think one of the best Lines or short exchanges would be when she says Essentially, it's sad that you when she's talking to Poirot. She says it's sad that you don't believe You know and in these like ghosts and supernatural and stuff and he says yeah, the truth is sad Um, you know, it's a it's a very sharp sort of cutting of their two ways of looking up world Him basically calling her an opportunist praying on people. Um, and then her counter is you don't believe in the soul Like that doesn't address what he's saying at all even if he does believe there's a soul It's he's saying you're lying to people but that it's like it it Flips it back around on him immediately as like a flaw in his perspective and then him saying I've lost my faith And then you know the the oh how sad but uh, yeah, as you as you point out, it's the kind of thing That you like to hear that both of them aren't backing down Instead of like some shitty line about how you're wrong Because like the order operations makes that Curious because you you're right. I mean all of that is present but quite quickly, you know upon Say on beginning Paro Does reveal that the very quite simple mechanical tricks used behind it because he's seen these things a thousand times before Um, which ordinarily you'd expect would just rubbish the medium entirely but actually, you know, she continues As though she is a true believer even after the mechanical trick has been revealed Um, which slightly I can't I don't know exactly how to feel about that because like You're right. I mean it does pose the question about how true her belief is but also I mean does that not also mean that she is Simultaneously quite a shallow dull manipulative kind of bitch that she's prepared to Amplify her claims with this kind of trick Well, you've got her to assistance one of which says, you know, he thinks that it's real They just play up the showmanship element. She does she's a little Yeah, she she herself is a bit cheeky She tells, you know parode lighten them up, you know lighten up. Enjoy yourself that kind of thing Um, she's not necessarily against You know money and fame and stuff of that nature and there's a part of her that does believe but I like the idea that it's not like fully in one direction where it's i'm not fully afraud I'm not fully the real thing I there is an element of realness in it and there is also the element of we play this up And I don't think it's necessarily from her perspective done maliciously As she said it it does give her great catharsis when she can make people feel better about the way that she can That she contacts people Um, so it's one of those it just sort of uh, it seems like an organic kind of well, you know It works out for me. It works out for them. We're willing to not lie But bend the truth because you know, she doesn't think she's lying. So Um, I like that element of that that middle ground that we have with her She had flashbacks to that south park episode. They were like, who's uh, who's the medium guy the biggest douche in the universe? Damn it. I yeah, I can't remember. Ah Uh, edwards something edwards Um, Jonathan edwards crossing over with jonathan edwards. That might be it It's an old show. Yeah, it's a show and he excuses. Oh, but but i'm bringing happiness to people I you know, I'm making them feel like they're right at his side out there I was like, no, you're you're being a dick life is difficult. Stop doing that. You are the biggest douche in the universe Well, we have the um, yeah, they do have that We we get from multiple characters too recognitions of Like, oh, I'm I'm making this person believe that you know, the daughter's soul is still here and someone's like Yeah, you made her believe that the soul is there and in torment and stuff like that So there's a lot of exploration into the reasons why people disapprove of things um, you have the you know purely religious element from Or at least the mostly religious element from uh, the um, uh, what's your name? Seminoff august seminoff And you have the more like it's it's just a cruel thing to do to people to make people believe certain things from, you know Poro and the um the chef forget his name Got so many names. There's a lot of characters But yeah, well explored stuff and I I was like no one no one's like zero or a hundred in this Everyone feels real because real people typically aren't like super on the extremes They've got that personality that mixes with what their goals are and that's where you get a good character where all those things mix It's balanced in the sense that it feels that everybody Even if that even if they line up on it's real or it's not real The permutations of them believing that it's real or not real are slightly different as though to kind of cover all The the basis that you could have of like It's real it's it's it's it's real in the sense that it's real and isn't that cool and then it's real and that's bad Like that's this is something that we should be doing or um, yeah, that was old charlatan like she's just full of shit and i'm like it's just bullshit Um and multiple characters have that perspective. That's the thing It's the it is that permutation element of multiple characters have the same general Perspective but for different reasons and in different ways So two people could think that she's a total fraud but for completely, you know different and unique reasons I this person might have a connection to this this person might be deeply religious in this other sense This other person could be like now she's just in it for the money blah blah blah So it's not just two camps of it's true and it's or it's false There's all these places in between and some people you can imagine are clearly willing to be swayed more than others It's uh, I mean an interesting way to I guess contrast is in the case of um The the son of the doctor his view being Uh, yeah, I I think I believe that the there's there's supernatural elements, but she's a fraud versus um Olga having the view of I believe it's real and therefore and it's evil. Yeah, it's bad Yeah, like that's that's kind of cool that you could have them You know both essentially believe in the same thing, but that it manifests in one of them believing that she is real that she's real and uh doing something wrong or You know, I guess on a like spiritual sense Versus what she's doing is wrong just from a more normal sort of human day-to-day interaction sense um, that's like That's that's gotta be you know, that's worth something right when you when you have all of the characters have a perspective that's uh That's unique and informed. Yeah, I think so You can imagine I think one of the good little mini tests that you can do for whether or not a story has Good fleshed out characters is is if you can imagine two characters in the story Who Haven't talked with each other if you can imagine What that conversation might look like So in this even though everyone kind of interacts with each other in their own ways If you were to take something like the lord of the rings, can you imagine? um I don't know. Can you imagine pippin and ferramir having a conversation? It's like, yeah, you can because these are well fleshed out characters and they you know converse and talk so Um, it's kind of like a good little like uh, why'd you choose two people who did have a conversation? I know I know I was just telling names out. There's a lot of lord of the rings. Okay. She's like gimli and sam I was about to say ferramir and sam and I was like fuck they talked to and Gimli and sam yes, you could imagine gimli and sam talking You can't imagine legolas and frodo talking legolas says and my bow and then the conversation ends As it should As it should he's a man who works but yeah something about the scene between joyce and puro after the seance where she explains and this is by the way I'm willing to sort of go over it because I I'd be curious if I could be convinced as to how What I think about it as a foundation but a lot of the trauma for most of the characters or at least a selection of characters does relate to the war but of course the era does imply a direct connection, right and the part of Her trauma is the as a war nurse She would have been surrounded by people dead and dying days after days And it like destroyed her brain You know for lack of a better more psychological term and she would have heard all kinds of screams and voices in her head And until she started to share them as actual like connections to the dead with people She didn't feel Coherent right and so like but it was at least somewhat accurate and then Would have caused a lot of people to feel better feel make herself feel better And as she explains this because michelle. Yeah, it was excellent. She's crying like the It seems very much real from her perspective and she can't see anything but positives coming out of it And so when you have someone like that who's lived that life and come to this place versus someone like poirot I think it just creates really interesting conflict to have Both of what two people who consider themselves to be like essentially as she puts it People who can speak for the dead or to the dead And for the sake of making the world a better place But at the same time kind of consider each other the worst enemy like when she meets him She says you're to prove i'm a fraud essentially Um in a in a similar sense You have the way that a good way that this film in in many ways It's very much background and flavor But in some ways having this be 1947 and after world war two Is the element of ptsd and the mental effects of war are still not really understood Um, yeah, they're still being discovered and studied the nature of war has changed and so people Have these sort of things occur especially now that you have these large-scale conflicts You're going to have relatively more large-scale, you know elements of this You know this mental You know element popping up so if this took place further into the future Then you might not be able to have the same excuses of It's not necessarily a misdiagnosis But these are two you have two characters here who have elements of post-traumatic stress disorder in some way There's they're not specific about it. You have obviously the medium and you have the doctor And you even have leopold specifically saying they call what he has battle fatigue, but that's not what it is He's not tired. He's broken. There is they don't understand what it is and it Kind of means that this lack of understanding can lead to more open-ended Um Improperly diagnosed and treated people and that leads to things down the road, you know, he doesn't get the you know Medicine's not where it is today. We don't have the things that we have today When I think that one could refer to the whole thing is like the ghosts of war, right? That's the haunting element of it I think that's kind of the thing Mike Flanagan tries to go with in his haunting stuff It's all past traumas that are actually experienced between humans as opposed to spooky ghosts Just going boo. Well, it's uh, it's actually something to jump basically to the end of the film because a lot of the lines I found most interesting in terms of uh, I guess tying everything together Of like how to reconcile Whatever you might perceive as a supernatural elements that aren't explained With what could be explained rationally, which was uh, I'm paraphrasing, but it was uh in addressing the fate of It was Rorena He said something along the lines of You know, we all have ghosts and whether real or imagine like whether real or supernatural You know, it it catches up the idea being that there's like, you know, you could just view it as it's it's um That there's like there's always, you know consequence, right that follows from uh from events and choices Um and and that and that has an impact on you And and that the did you got to like, you know work through it and move through it? Kind of addressing the idea of like, oh well the ghosts, you know They don't need to be real. I could just be like the specter of uh, kind of like, I guess human psychology or something along those lines Yeah, there's a difference in perspective, which is the interesting one This is the thing I think that may be stuck in micro slightly is that it's very easy to see with Michelle yo's character and with the father who both directly lived through and experienced the war and their form of ptsd Is is therefore born of very personal experience effectively in action Even if you know, she was technically a doctor, but you know, that's still in action if you're in war Where as Poirot doesn't serve in the second world war He's too old to have done that and so his response to Well, the origin of his trauma is a curious one and his response to trauma is as well Because you can say with her character She's trying to make sense of the world that she has to live in because that's what she had to do all the way going through in his case It is it this enchantment with the world and he's Removed from it in a sense, but he's watched it happen again And has concluded the best way to deal with this is just to lock himself out of it And then again, you have the doctor who's closer to the michelle yo's character because he was in it And so he's locked himself away as well. I guess my problem was just i'm not sure I have a full grasp on what exactly Poirot's trauma is if it's not just general civilizational disenchantment He has said there's a number of things. There is an element of uh, they bring up how Um death follows him wherever he goes. He's a detective. He solves murders. He's surrounded by death. Um You have him saying almost uh Forget what he said verbatim But it was something along the lines of the the cruelty of human indifference That he's witnessed over the years There is of course you see the effects of the you know, the of these two wars even if you're not a part of it um and Even in a similar way Him and his bodyguard used to be a cop and the bodyguard said he quit the force because he just uh Finally saw something and he was like nope don't have the skin for this and he had to essentially step away um, even in poirot was a police officer as well In his past So that's a line that they you know sort of connect as well like you understand, you know You just see things and it's just you know a bit too much sometimes I think he serves in the first world warry thing. So he's seen action on the front lines It's just again maybe i'm carrying in like things that don't actually belong in this analysis because they're not part of this This universe of the character anyway, but like he serves in the first world war Which is incredibly deeply traumatic experience. He also has this experience as a policeman as you mentioned Then throughout the 30s. He's the poirot. Everybody knows he goes around solving mysteries. Happy little detective jab Second world war happens. That's the cue for him to it's murders and like he the way that he talks about it there is an element of um like it's I think it's really uh intuitive to To sort of look at his character in terms of he sees a lot of people who have been killed A lot of people who have been murdered and he sees the effects that it has on the people around them and that Probably takes its toll and I think the way that he talks about it is I mean, I I think it's I think it's pretty well established in this I don't the biggest effect I think that's had on him is the all of those events have made him stop believing That a god would have any control over this universe. There's no as far as he's concerned. No order. No justice But I think the key word he uses is there would be meaning if we had a god That's what he says that there's too much. We would have everything the opposite in the world, right? Like the the crime the wars The indifference that he concludes no god no ghosts and then with respect no medium that can speak to them And um these elements are often part of different conversations, but they all kind of slot Yeah, well I my assumption is that he's lost his drive and instead will Indulge in life for his own whims until the end But by the time you hit the end of this film that the Part of that theme is him understanding that he's running away from his ghosts, right that he's not addressing them He's not understanding them and he's not moving on forward from them And that I imagine his meetings with Joyce would have changed his mind too that her despite the fact that he kind of hates everything She represents she's her explicit goal is helping people Like which was what his goal was and it's like we're even if there is no god. That's not exactly Not meaningful But at the same time I do think that a lot of things are put back in place by the time you hit the end not because he believes in the supernatural but because You know everything that he goes through in this film Reaffirms the notion that all these different characters are in the pain that they're in so many people died because of the fact that they're not Addressing the the things that they haven't you know understood in their own histories I would argue that a lot of the effort in the script writing is to try and connect every character and I think that um Joyce is like one of the best sort of foil representatives of of a mirror opposite to Poirot while also existing in a similar fashion to him. That's why like their conversation. I think Probably got to him quite a bit But you know sort of the point of the the end scene actually is in a way to redeem the spirit of her character And that she's wrong maybe in her methods and maybe in her beliefs But in taking action in the world to help people understand their situation He comes back and says well the way I can do this is Restart my life as a detective and help make sense of these crimes. Is that what we're saying We're sorry. Was that a question? I missed the yeah. No. No, I'm just trying Yeah, I'm just trying to make sure I because I'm just working through this. Yeah. No, I think five minutes before coming live But so would that be a fair Sonation then so that he effectively is redeeming the spirit of what she's doing by going back and Recommencing his work as a detective. Is that I'd say it's more so focused on him than like essentially I I guess in a sense it could be that you know Like whether her methods or whatever she is like an active participant in the world and doing it in her way And he has a way of doing it, which is being a super smart fella and uh solving cases that That it's like um The whole the whole story the kind of purpose is to reinvigorate uh puiro to to help people again Okay It's almost that um I'm not saying you can't do a story where puiro has a crisis of faith But that sounds very close to if bad thing happened why god read it atheism dude That's not very fair is it I think um the film does a pretty good job of putting him through possibly especially with What time we're in it's like what would he have had to have gone through and know about to have his faith in god questioned like well that we know we could start and um Yeah, the supernatural them being a vehicle for him to really question exactly what uh is correct and incorrect about his decisions that he's made um I thought that the film was filled with very interesting quotes that um Made me think a little bit that i'm surprised i hadn't heard before Even though it's something i think about a lot for example in the um another element of this film is that the palazzo is a place where during I think they said was it during the war that it was um Of uh doctors and nurses took care of children and then uh the plague or the plague yeah There's there's the old so all this takes place on halloween spooky because it's americans have brought the tradition to uh italy And so it's halloween night And this takes place in a palazzo where the owner of it her name being rowena, right? Yeah, yeah, yes, okay. She is invited Uh a bunch of uh, there's like gonna be a big party for kids for orphans So they've got you know games and candy and stuff like that and spooky stories And they tell the story of the orphan's curse essentially which is back in the day This used to be an orphanage then the plague happened and plague made people afraid and paranoid So they locked up all the children in the orphanage and they all died in there And so the spooky spirits of the kids are still there and they're they're haunting the palazzo And if they're a nurse or if they're a doctor they're gonna getcha And they'll leave the the mark of the the children's curse like claw marks on you Yeah, because they say the spooky setup story the children were locked Inside to die starving clawing. It's just like that's Damn um, yeah, fucked up story. Yeah, well, and he says uh puro says is this not too frightening for the children and The writer says scary stories make life less scary Which uh is a very simple and almost You could argue immature line or maybe childish But I would actually go as far as saying there's a lot to dig out of that with the surrounding movie Especially by the end of it. I think part of what porro is doing is protecting himself from anything and everything essentially And uh life becomes a lot less scary when your life is reading the newspaper eating pastries and enjoying venice and um, what he's running from of course is all of the cases and I think that The nature of having gone through this experience has opened him back up to being like, oh fuck it Let's do this. Let's get in. Let's get stuck in like even if a case goes horribly wrong goes to places that I uh Would never want to visit that doesn't mean I shouldn't do it in the first place, right? Um Which is something that I think got to him partially by what ariadne says to him. She says um Like you don't you don't have friends. You're admirers You're a fool an ego a black cloud that lures death and you know it. That's why you quit like damn I think uh Well, yeah, I mean you know wherever he goes death follows him Is a thing that he might end up thinking about because of the fact that he is so Interested in solving cases and justifying or bringing justice to situations um Yeah, and I think that's pretty well addressed. This is the thing. I can't speak on it From a wider understanding of paro as a character But like I would even go as far as saying the man in this film isn't quite the man in the Um murder on the orient express 2017 film Like they don't feel the same. Um, I way Feels more real the the one in that film felt cartoonish a little bit. Yeah And and part of it really is to do with just the the quality of dialogue and this is so much better And some of the thoughtful things many of the characters have to say even down to the fucking kid It does make you wonder like what happened It is the same guy who wrote the films and obviously same, you know, Kenneth Branagh same director and six years You know, that's that's some time, but it's not that much time As platoon mentioned, uh, there's more reason as well for this to be worse being it's an original screenplay What we can tell the adaptation is very thin from the original work Exactly compared to trying to pull more directly from the original source Am I doing Isn't the thing that really does free them up to do the things that we're all You know enjoying about this film because there is you do sort of have to run with the assumption when you go Say and watch the tv show or I guess if you read I'm not familiar with the books But I guess the same assumption holds is that everything sort of resets after the end into a large degree This is a guy who if you actually try and put it in a straight continuity Sees probably hundreds of people murdered in horribly vicious ways and starts the next story is that he's absolutely psychologically fine And so if you're doing a straight adaptation of one of those effectively like periodicals You might be hamstrung by not being able to deal with the psychological consequences Whereas in this one because they are free to do that They're allowed to ask themselves questions that the original stories don't necessarily do which is how does this affect Poirot as a person? And that creates this this fuller character Which you have to do in the in the film because the film is Obviously not in anything like the same style as in like an episodic tv show or anything like that I um I like the line When a crime has been committed I can by applicator Application of order and method and the slow extinguishing of my own soul find without fail or doubt who done it Yeah, that was that was kind of fun Yeah, it feels like recognizing what genre it's in which is like, whoo fun actual It's his inflection when he says it, you know, it's uh You know, it shows that he's aware of that, you know word Well, hey, you know what what's kind of funny is um I I like I said, I don't like the the uh 2017 motor on the aurean express, but he did say something similar at the beginning of that film That like that that there was a certain um There was something that he Lost or suffered by seeing the world as he does That there's something about it. That's um, that's just kind of like not Just kind of like inherently overarching all the time not fun about seeing the world the way that he does So I guess it's kind of interesting that they had that there in that film But in this one they actually kind of like more so do something with it There is a degree to which there is a a a toll that's taken by doing this kind of work You also have some funny lines, too Anybody thinking of any over the head the did you find yourself smiling at all with any lines in this? Uh, I did but not I couldn't I couldn't recount it to you. So what there was Let me see Well, one for me was I what he says you woke the bear from his sleep You can't cry when he tangos that she's that's not an expression at any language because we continue It is good. It's I do like that Um, I will say though I really like from just like a filmmaking Artistry perspective at the beginning when all the kids come into the palazzo and they draw up the sheet And they have all the puppets and the sound effects and everything in the narrator It was really Like they didn't have to necessarily do that for the movie But I feel like they really did a great job at making this like this whimsical spooky kids story That um, it was just it was really neat to see that Uh, just one of the elements of this movie that really make it feel like it's you know, real unbelievable We only show the effort they put in to having it happen in a way that's believable that they could have done it then And then they didn't CGI that that's all being done Yeah, they show the puppets and the sticks and they have a little sound effects and the guy with the You know, everyone's got their old costumes old costumes, man. Bring them back Bring back those old costumes. It's something I'd want to talk about Uh, a little bit. I was actually like we it was mentioned earlier, but I was uh More consistently impressed with the filmmaking You know the cinematography and the sound design And the editing in this film compared to the 2017 murder on the oren express, which is like pretty fucking dull In terms of a lot of a lot of like bland boring cinematography Whereas here it felt like there were a lot more there was a lot more use of light Uh disconcerting strange angles one shot that stands out was one where it was like they had the camera mounted It was like they had it mounted to kind of brown a like Yeah When he's rushing around Like when you get the the If you go like in theater mode on halo 3 or something and you have the camera that sticks to the player Like that kind of I'm not sure what the name of it is, but yeah, I know you mean Yeah, it's really focusing on his expression and his perspective as he's sort of hurriedly moving around and he's in some kind of Not necessarily distress, but I guess worry or he's under a lender a lot of Strange kind of angles that uh, you don't see a lot Um, and it just felt that this film was actually utilizing the filmmaking a lot more to bolster the story Whereas um, it didn't really do anything for the oren express of anything It kind of uh, there were times where it looked pretty bad Uh like some really shitty green screen Whereas as you mentioned before Like in this film, it's it's uh, it's a really cool practical set Uh, lots of uh, lots of cool props and everything It's kind of called a snory cam by the way Oh, okay. Well now, I know otherwise known as a chest cam body mount body mount cam or body cam, but snory cam is the Like around their chest and then you know, hold up like a reverse go It was they used to in the gentleman actually there's a couple of examples I remember from just in the way it really creates a sense of disorientation Of everything around you except the focus of the character in specific of where they want to go While they're experiencing And yeah, this similarly Go ahead this part of the film I think is one of the couple of times where he's just he doesn't know what the fuck is going on He's so confused especially The the the actual very much disorientation that's going on with him because of the uh Like the hallucinogenic, uh, honey that he had consumed Yeah, it's like actually with his mind. It's like it's kind of bringing you into his head space You know, it's just like ah, it's a filmmaking Like helping build the story rather than you know, just allowing the scene to pass by just normally It seems to me that um He very reasonably assumes like the audience does that the most likely person at first with the basic information we have is probably Maxim I think his name is the boyfriend and it's very much the obvious red herring Then we get to the assistants who he almost Like pushes at a confession out of where she runs away and it's like, oh, that's this pretty suss And then we move to um, could it been Ariadne considering she actually had a whole bunch of lies? She set up the medium. It's like, oh, this this is a big old deceit that's happening And then you know, once the film gets closer to its climax, it's actually which is a fun reveal I think the one person that no one would expect but simultaneously has No motivation that's been explored well, this uh Something that is important I believe to the genre of who done it is the ability for the viewer or reader To reasonably conclude who actually did it based on all the information that is available to them Rather than doing any crazy shit where you like reveal this brand new information that the viewer couldn't have possibly been able to gleam from What happened before to figure out who did it? Yeah And I felt while watching this because it was about I think it was like two-thirds of the way through Was when I was thinking like, hmm, you know what? I For the exact rationale that you provided of we've been provided pretty good reasons for basically every character but her That tells you something and and and gives you reason to conclude Hmm. I think for we know who was the one who'd done it and so when it's revealed, it's like, yay I get the fun of Actually getting to participate in the who done it compared to something like glass onion where there is no point There's just no point. It's yeah, it's a fool's errand to try and work with it You can't work with it a good mystery movie and story There it's almost collaborative that you want to have you don't want to hold the hand of the the viewer the reader But you want to have this element of like you are You like here are things for you to notice your things for you know, you know You want you don't want it all to hit at the end you want to set up the things And you want to set stuff up you want to have things that are dropped hints dropped here and there And this film was a good job at that. You notice the little things um little It's not like it's a film that rewards you for paying attention to the nature of For the things that you should be paying attention to in the who done it story, you know, who would wear When and why? What reason would they have to do uh to do the crime? Like how could they have how could they have managed to do it all of these sorts of like little If you're paying attention to these elements as you're watching the story It's providing you and then of course think about the whole idea of misdirection It's a film obviously in this case it deliberately did it was trying to direct it very quickly You know early on in the film they try to rule out Rowena as a as uh being possible because of the alibi Um that feels deliberate, you know starting with like ruling her out first So that then starts to focus you in on the more obvious candidates like um maxime was the ex fiance He feels like the obvious red herring of yeah, I mean like he seems like a likely candidate It's just everybody has a reason. Uh, she's the only one who didn't have an apparent one But there was when um when they established that maxime was only interested in money The first thought I had was but he's here. Why would he be here? Yes, he's here. Well the first time we for the first time we meet him He says, you know, I lost to Rowena. There's that Atlanta him saying like he's emotionally invested in this and that's an important one to actually Because uh, because it was it was when he said When he said that essentially the reason it fell apart is because Rowena couldn't handle the idea of like him being a part of her daughter's life Like that she that her daughter wouldn't be all hers. It was that line where it's like You know, that's the other thing with his character, right? He's introduced specifically to take you that to both introduce The motive but also lead you away from putting the motive on the right person Because he delivers that all important line, but because he's much more obviously suspicious You actually go further away from the truth before you get to the truth at the end Which obviously the reveal they do that it's the fact that the mother can't abandon her daughter Feel she's being abandoned by her daughter. They do that in microcosm in the scene with um He cuts himself and then she says honey. He's a great antiseptic. He puts it on licks it and says That's not wildflower. I can't place it and right after he does that the This slip of his like photo of her falls out of his pocket and pyro's like, ah It's like they needed to get that little clue out and then be like look look look look look look at this photo Oh, is that interesting? It is like It's just something I enjoy It's like the most important in terms of laying out all of the information that you you know Like in the most condensed space to actually figure it out Uh that they misdirect which you know, it just tells you something about the nature of the writing and the The storytelling that they know Oh, we're giving away too much here misdirect get him thinking down that train of thought Well, you're kind of interesting because it can be hard to know how people will um, yeah I how you know, you everybody kind of knows what I'm talking about when you watch a film or a tv show And a character like picks up something or puts an object down and the camera Yeah for a couple of seconds you instantly it's like oh, that's important Like it it communicates instantly that that's important And that's like a difficult thing to deal with when you're doing a story like this where you're There's a degree to which the Director needs to simultaneously guide the viewer towards the right answer while also, you know Guiding them away from that answer as well making sure it's not too conspicuous Exactly. That's why um, that's why That's why dialogue works so well for this sort of reveal because people just talk talking is normal It's it's you know talking fills the screen in a way that it's a different sense That is uh, that you know that you're experiencing you're not focusing on Dialogue or sound in the way that you focus on a visual object in the frame So when you have when they go up to the garden At the top of the palazzo and ruina saying, you know all this effort for a teaspoon of wildflower honey or whatever she says She's just like talking to him. He's just talking to characters and you don't you don't know that it's conspicuous until later You know when maxine, you know points it out and we get the other little reveals when you get so Dialogue was used really well. Yes. Yes. It really does on a rewatch. It's like, oh, shit Yeah, because even the pet name for her that gives away that the medium knows more Than one would expect which was information provided by ariadne Not known by ruina assuming then that she's the blackmailer because ruina probably does believe she can speak to the dead And that's how she's discovered the truth, which is not actually how she knows She's trying to run a racket Which cost her her life, which I think is so interesting I'm trying to talk about more of these elements in a minute The reason I brought all this up was that that very play that the nickname is from Is where she got the inspiration to poison with honey and it's also It's also where leopold found out that that was a potential because he's read basically all of her books And that's one of the ones in her library. It's like, yeah, it's really cool And it's really kind of something that is you know, not I don't think many people who watch this are going to come away We're thinking about that. It was like, but it is work that was done in the script. It is That's not easy. That's not easy to have it all line up that are tightly That's that takes a level of forethought and consideration in terms of constructing a mystery, which Feels like that's got to be worth a lot when Again, I I know that we're going to keep bringing it up But like knives out and like glass onion are being held up in high regard as being like, oh, they have revived the who done it Genre and not only have they revived it, but there's some of the best examples of the genre That's grim that's fucking great. All right We've because we brushed on it and I don't want to forget saying it because it's actually slightly relevant and I suppose coincidental because Mahler and myself recently watched Ghostbusters This is going to lie. I promise Ghostbusters afterlife and I caught Um, I thankfully could not finish frozen empire because I don't have things to do. Um Talking about the character of leopold in this the son the young the young man Um the the boy essentially Um This movie does what a lot of movies can't seem to ever do Which is have a realistic believable non insufferable depiction Of an intelligent child a very young character. Yeah of an intelligent child who's well read Uh, and who is clearly very smart Um, this film I think does it really good and I'd like to point that out specifically Because in my mind I have Ghostbusters afterlife in particular still kind of in my My my my recent memory where it portrays a very young character who is Conspicuously incredibly good at fucking everything and she has an insufferable personality and I wanted to die It's going to sufferable dialogue It does I hate I hate her so much. I hate I hate her. I hate her I hate her, uh, but leopold in this is very interesting as a character his relationship with his dad his Um kindness towards other people even in the more subtle lines Like when we first meet him and he's in the chair reading his book and someone says, hey, you should have some cake And he says no the cakes for the orphans Um, you know, he wants them to enjoy it because he doesn't uh because he's he's not a selfish guy Uh, he prefers certain stories other over store over other stories. He reads Um spooky stories on halloween because he thinks he thinks it's thematically appropriate, you know a How a a holiday like this calls for spooky stories He prefers the more, you know, serious things as opposed to charles dickens, which was recommended to him by Poro, uh, poro says, you know a boy your age wouldn't charles dickens be more appropriate and he says Nah, it's it's really yeah. It's silly And poro almost goes to agree as well, which is like a subtle way of putting them on the same intellectual level Which I quite liked. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. There is uh, also. I think the reveal of You know, uh leopold's full involvement in the mystery Which he doesn't say uh in front of everyone. He just says in front of uh, Olga And it's almost like a personal conversation between the two where it's like, hey, you know, I know Now that you've been up to you Uh, your smart guy, but he's still childlike in the sense of like emotionally. He's very you know He's vulnerable He tries to protect his father in the fight that he has with maxime He you know has looks of worries and concern on his face He's still definitely a kid just a very I think just a very smart one With all of that in mind part of what makes him very believable is the fact that we understand He's had to grow up fast because of his dad Like he recognizes what's happened to his dad Yeah, his dad even says, you know, like I he laments that I should be the one, you know, looking after you Uh, in fact, it's the last line to share is um, his dad says I should be the one looking after you and leopold says you do And multiple times during the film leopold checks in on his dad whenever when his dad has an outburst at the autopsy Um, and he you know smashes the I think it was the chair leopold hears it He's close by and he's there on the balcony looks down and he asks if things are okay He checks in on his dad at the party to make sure things are all right He's always you know, we we actually see that where he is around checking in on his dad Um, it's become like, you know habitual out of you know, the care that he actually has for him and that has shown both ways It's very efficient. Like I said, there's no Things in this movie seem very deliberate Um, and I think it's what scene could you point to and go? Yeah, I probably didn't need that Everything establishes. Yeah, either tone Sets a scene up well A character a motivation a detail It's all in service to something. Yes. Everything's in service to something. It's not wasted This is the ante snider movie There's just a point Part two the scar giver is coming out soon Oh, right rebel moon Somehow imagine everyone's gonna want us to give her figures on that one Coming out middle of uh april No, I'm not ready And and the director's cut for rebel moon part one. Oh, yes God, it's not gonna be six six hours or 12 hours or two days. Oh, no, both of them together though. What would that be? The day that would be the day They'll be about yeah, oh, maybe it's like an eight hour saga. Oh boy Yeah, they'll just say don't worry about the time it ends and why It was even more of the scene of the dude flying on the the the The griffin the grip Hippogriff the eagle or yeah, there was even more time and that was really a Holy shit happily that the power film has taught us how to make mind-altering poisons from road to dendrons Which I might consider doing before watching rebel moon part two might make the experience more fun Oh, I'll have alcohol at the ready. I I don't know if I could face another zack snider film lucid I don't know if I could do it. I got my limits. I might draw my line in the sand here and say listen You know, um On the note of uh Just just listening to people and what they'll say and stuff they after He the attempted thing on his life right where where he's almost drowned Which I like as well by the way on the supernatural side of things even uh leopold says like you died even if it was just for a second So now you're like you know Connected to the the other world so that just to He says if there are spirits here, they'd be wise to you know be near you and yeah Yeah, I think that helps that anyone watching this and hoping for more supernatural elements is just a Unaspect but yeah when he's and it's an element of something that you can believe all of the things that leopold thinks You're like, oh I bet that's something that he's read in like stories. He's read in books. There are parts of plays It's mythology. There are these elements that he's picked up and has become a part of the way that he sees the world He is he is influenced by the things that he reads which again if you're young um You will probably be more likely to be influenced by the things that you read And so it kind of owes to the fact that if he was an adult character There would be a difference his being young is a meaningful and important element of who he is in this story Also allows him to be overlooked, right? So he's overlooked and so his great benefit is that he's probably the only character in it who's not distracted That's the first line is you know, don't why don't you go and join the party in his little parties of frivolous Um, he has to pay attention to his dad because of his dad's condition He is fully focused on whatever he thinks the most important thing happens to be which allows him to notice things No other character can notice which is sort of the the final reveal in the movie is that His his involvement in the entire plot and he spotted something that even his dad didn't spot and his dad was you know Theoretically in a better position to spot it But that's because everyone assumes because this kid is quiet and intelligent He sits in the corner reading books that he's not that important so they don't try and involve him in plots So he's free to notice all of these things that you can borrow who's the subject of these many distractions can't do Isn't that interesting as well because it means that uh, you would never like he is essentially ruled out of uh Suspicion in terms of involvement in the plot, but he is actually very significantly involved in being kind of like the catalyst for it All happening in the first place. Yeah There's even the scene when prior comes out of the bathroom and he says I assume you you were leaving me till like like I was lower on your list or something Um, which is the kid's line needed to cover that even prior doesn't really consider the kid to be particularly important in anything here So yeah, that final revelation is that he's the one who he kind of masterminds the entire thing actually Yes, and obviously it didn't go exactly, uh, as he Intended, uh, well, that's why it was important to tell him don't blame yourself because obviously if he hadn't done the blackmail His dad would be alive right now Yeah, it was Which sucks, but he couldn't have done that I'm trying to remember the line Yeah, it was like at the bathroom. It was leap old You'd mentioned it earlier. I wish I could remember basically poor. I was like everyone's not, you know Everyone's on my list but he wants to be thorough, you know, it's it's that way of not like saying Yeah, you are like you're specifically on my list not being that open about it But there's this element of the only you gotta be thorough, you know And then he still uses that to gather information find out what's going on writing things down I like him. I like, uh, just really good exchanges kind of everywhere Well, what I was bringing up about the um the way paro absorbs information, right like after Joyce is killed He's just sitting down nursing his sort of his head and just looking around the camera keeps panning back to his eyes Like, uh, just following around each person who's talking You have like the notion that Joyce killed herself because she was that type And the assistants are like no as she's definitely not the person to do that and um Ariadne said she talked about a murder. Maybe she knew something just you know, it certainly spices it up and could be a motive and then, uh You have Maxime say you still think she's real Like she made up the whole thing to impress the author to bait the hook on a new income stream And then she goes well, why is she dead and he says gravity? Like obviously meaning he thinks it's suicide. It's The kind of shit that um, you know, he's just paying attention to what everybody is expressing They genuinely believe right now But it could be a combination of something they're claiming to cover themselves up It's just keep listening, you know Just let everyone fucking keep speaking because obviously the second you find someone dead in this place everyone's a suspect Yes, I mean he's it's it is poro who Locks the doors and says nope No one's leaving. Yeah uh and Because you brought it up and I think it is worthy of a bit of repetition The camera work in this is very good There is very little if you were to Watch through this movie. There will be a point For a lot of people where you realize Things are off There's an uneasiness not just in the tone Uh and in the music which is actually very good subtle. It's not overbearing. Um, but People are constantly to the side of the frame. There's always empty space behind people There's a shadow behind them. There's a shadow to the side of them Their faces on the left their faces on the right The camera angle is a bit too high or it's a bit too low or it's from the ceiling pointing down Or it's an odd angle that a human couldn't possibly Have from like a corner or something like that. Um, it'll be off kilter a little bit Like the camera's been rotated just slightly um and obviously There is the element of When poro's face is in many shots. There is a very slight sway and wobble It is subtle and I didn't even notice it the first time watching this movie But the second time I noticed that a lot of times when poro was The one who was in the frame again typically either to the left or the right but never in the center um There would be that very slight camera wobble that wouldn't necessarily be there On the person that he was like having a conversation with when they cut back to them Cameras are constantly shifting in the perspective It's a very dynamic and snappy kind of change That is oddly subtle for how conspicuous it is once you notice it you get that sudden realization like oh This movie shot really weirdly but not in a bad way. You just kind of notice it that things are off um It is It's it's a thing I really like about the movie and it goes to show that things aren't wasted in this film There's a clear deliberate direction to Using the camera's visual element to tell a part of the story into playing to the themes that are being explored I think there's a distinct difference between shooting at night and shooting a day as well the uh Control oh, yeah There is a scene at the very beginning Where for give me if you've mentioned this specifically I know we talked about it when we did a rewatch But it's very there's a scene when when at the very beginning It's still the daytime beginning of the story poros at his house in his courtyard He's sitting down. He's got his nice pinstripe suit. He is in the exact center of the frame You've got the sky up top. You've got all of these ordered buildings behind him. He's at his table Everything is normal. Everything is structured. Everything is in its place and it creates this obvious distinction between where he is In terms of his frame of mind, but also, you know, physically in his own space between What happens throughout the rest of the movie where he's not quite right in the head and he's got some doubts And there's some spooky shit going on and they're in this dark palazzo at night and it's halloween. Oh boy So and then visually at the very end. It's the next day You know daytime things are bright people are out and about And the movie ends with this big sweeping grandiose shot of venice and him on the rooftop and getting back into the swing of things Yeah, it's full of color as well. You can even see it in the frame that's on screen It's like very vibrant whereas there's uh Very clear strong darker tones Uh, not not just obviously in the lighting but the color scheme In the in the palazzo throughout the whole like lots of like green or like dark green kind of Yeah Oranges um a lot of those sorts of colors as opposed to the much more like naturalistic vibrant colors of the outside daytime world And also it's the uh, they play really well into the believability of the palazzo through the kinds of lighting Sometimes faces will be illuminated by flames on the wall lamps that have colored shading over them when they are I remember it's a very whitish light that was in the kitchen when um, uh Poirot Ariadne and Olga Are talking in in the the kitchen area and the light is a very flat white coming from up top There's always like for how dark the movie is. It's like a good kind of dark where rooms are It's it's like Illuminated rather than Yeah, it's sort of a set studio lights to light everything. It's not that bullshit darkness where It's incredibly bright, but you just make it blue and so yeah Like it's darker. It reminded me of resident evil four's remake where how the lighting and that was really good Um, there were different colors and light sources that would give off different moods And as he progressed through the game and different like the castle in particular Certain levels in certain areas depending on how you know dank and dirty and well used they were they might have completely different You know just vibes and decor and lighting sources um You feel like you travel in this movie when you don't this movie basically takes place in a manner in a palazzo But you feel like you go to a lot of different locations because it's shot dynamically and because they make use of many different light sources and because it's it's decorated well the um Alicia's room for instance high ceilings painted with trees Um, you have the you know the bathroom small boxy, you know painted a different tone of green You have the you know like the library rooms out of all the paper and it's more reddish and brown Um, there's a lot of you just feel like you go to a lot of different places for being in a house It feels real and it simultaneously feels big and small and it's uh, yeah I'm sorry. I gotta mention it because I saw it earlier that I I was really fond of the other cockatoo that was That was a good name. Yeah He was really good the cockatoo. I hope I saw maybe thousands of cockatoos over the last couple of weeks You see them all the time, but they're they're really neat birds sulfur crested cockatoos They're just uh, yeah, they're just pets over here pretty much. They're not wild so Well, I mean a lot of a lot of pet birds come from australia budgies are from australia cockatoos are from australia Uh from different parts. Look at look at that bird. He's so majestic Uh, don't let him shriek into your ear though if that might actually make you deaf Yeah, they're they're loud They are very loud. Look at that and it's a fun reference to uh Do that that jump scare Maybe original jump scare at uh, it's citizen kade Mm-hmm. Well, it is like it's a good. It's a good callback. Yeah, I like keeps you up and awake, which yeah, it's so it's fun It's first thing I thought of Uh, well, I figure it's got to be a reference to that right because it's the exact same bud Make it a loud thing. It's but one percent likely that it's not I guess it's uh, I guess it's possible, but I would doubt it. I assume especially being canith brown. All right. He's uh He's uh, he's an artist has been working fucking like his whole life Well, I uh, I I think I mentioned it to you, uh Yesterday that it's I got the impression distinctly that like I this must have been his passion project like doing the The pyro films The fact that he's done three of them, you know, very quickly. Well, yeah, and he's open to four so I'd be curious because obviously What's funny is if he does another one, I will want to check it out when it comes out now as opposed to I guess my expectations will be high So certainly higher than they were before when um, let me see what I'm uh Just kind of going back and thinking about a lot of the shots It's it just sticks out to me that this is such a visually interesting movie and you mentioned it being a passion project So when I see When I see shots like near the like near the end when they're looking back at the piloto in the house They're clearly off to the side off in a corner and you get this just lovely kind of ground view of the canal Of the colors of the buildings of the water and its reflections You see the you know the physical location of them having these worn stairs and the worn stone and brickwork And I can't help but think like man when they were there, how do you not shoot this? How are you want to tell this? You want to tell this story and you just like show up to these You know relatively mundane places in venice, but it's like wow we we're in venice We can make so much use of this as a setting Having been there a cold out there on there's no such thing as a mundane place in venice. It's like it all looks like this It's the venice porn thing I was talking about earlier is that you can't not use it in a sense But the the thing that impresses me most about the film is that it doesn't over rely on it in a way I think the the interior stuff in the house is more interesting just because of the the really innovative and creative angles that they choose to sort of Exploit the sense of of mystery and dark alcoves and corners that wherever the camera is some little ghosty person could be hiding They're watching you from just to drum up that sort of sense of paranoia and the sense of the unknown Shots like this. I like it's just like but it's just venice everything there looks like this Well, it's that another other movies I feel like a lot of other people would just have close-ups of the actors With them in the middle standing on the bridge and you might get some buildings and stuff in the background But this is very very deliberately like look they're they're up top They're up there in the light. They're on the top of the bridge. They're in this space in venice and it's um It's so much more interesting than what a lot of films just Just I mean it's more interesting than uh Is motor on the orange express which uh looks pretty fake a lot of the time It looks pretty It it's that now I I feel complicated on how much I hold it because I know that venice now Looks, you know, very very very very similar to what venice would have looked like in the 1940s Uh, whereas, you know, istanbul now compared to what it would have looked like in the 1930s by comparison But there's like a lot of pretty bad visual effect shots Uh for like environments and a murder on the orange express a lot of really bad blue screen like That didn't even bother just it seems like they didn't even bother making like a snowy set that they could just sort of be on Um, so it was really nice in this film to actually make use of it. You couldn't dress up a train You know, no, it's bizarre It's a it's a really weird kind of fake looking world whereas here everything felt super new potential Because they were just making use of a place that actually exists Uh, yeah, there was um a good period, you know, uh, I assume It's period accurate stuff Nothing stands out as being wrong. You know, you see the nuns earlier on people in the streets all of the Although like the halloween masks and stuff or clearly old timey stuff Um, you had some, you know, some soldiers still hanging around You have the I think in the in the beginning There's a scene it's when ariadne and poro sit down on a bench and she tells them about Ooh, I come to this seance thing after the blotso party for the kids Um, and you have like this little wall of old photographs that probably relates to this war You have this old monument with uh It had this I forget what it was specifically, but like this little italian colored Thing placed on this little monument Um, you had just a lot of just a lot of cool details Other you didn't have to have but they they could have had just a mostly empty Courtyard area with not much going on But instead they filled it with people dressed period accurate Couple soldiers stuff like that references to the war Um in it it that stuff adds up. It goes a long way to build a vibe And you know me I'm all about vibes. I'm a big vibe man. I'm the big. Yeah, I'm using the vibe I love him. I love you this So, uh, we mentioned it earlier but something I quite enjoyed was the nature of the subconscious and how it's kind of simultaneously making him freak out But it's also something that's really reliable and kind of gives him an insight into how his brain works The um, I know interviewing. I was thinking about that earlier, but I didn't know it. Yeah When he was interviewing Maxim Um, he looks at the invitation, right, which we eventually find out was sent by ariadne and uh Because she she thought that would just be a really good sort of addition to The situation he's like a little bit of tnt to throw in to make it a more dramatic But um, he looks at the note And we've seen a couple of like references earlier, but he just he pulls the word apple out of the several words that are there Um, but he doesn't even know why And he and you got the apple being worked on by Maxim in the scene and then he like almost faints And she's like, oh god, you're okay. And then he walks away She thinks that he's struggling and just getting maybe old or has like problems, whatever But he's just like, why do I keep coming back to the apple? And it's um, it's a really cool thing that totally is a phenomenon that totally takes place Which is your brain has picked up on something that it is desperately trying to push it into view for you, which is the Yeah Mahler remember, but everyone remember what did she say when they first met on the roof? Only apples until supper Yeah, and uh The uh bodyguard right he presented an apple when he said your friend is at the gate And what's been picked up by his brain is that it's very strange and super coincidental The nature in which all of this has taken place and the role Ariadne probably plays in it And the apples are just a symbol that's been connecting a couple of things altogether And so it's like bobbing for apples when someone tried to kill him So that's really fresh and big in his mind. There's one on the table, you know, you've maxime's cutting one It's when you think back on like, oh, yeah, there's been a lot of apples in this movie and I didn't even like Notice it necessarily. It's such a mundane thing to just have apples around and to have people mention apples It's like it's just like the stand-in thing for fruit. Basically Well, we even have a clock in the film that has the adam and eve Naked an apple. That's right. Everyone's in a while And so it's just like, yeah, so what is the relevance of this fucking apple and that he figures it out? Which is like, yeah, what why do you like you guys are aware of shit that you shouldn't be and the organization of this is more impressive than Uh, it should be able to be and like that's the thing that my brain was pointing to sort of thing There's a comment in the chat that just says apple is Norse related Yes, like It makes me laugh because like, yeah, yeah, the apple. It's true. Very true. Apple is behind it all But yeah, it's just his brain being affected significantly Like it almost kicks the subconscious into a gear that makes him think he's seeing things hearing things But that that right you have that angle and then you have the little girl that he keeps hearing and then she actually sees her And it's right before he cracks the whole case that he sees that the girl that he thought he imagined Was it looks just like the one in the pictures, which is one that he previously probably saw and was seeing As a result of that like his brain piecing things together, right? So what I guess I was trying to say was that something that could be explained by a normal phenomenon Up to this point was almost being treated as though it was him seeing shit from beyond the supernatural or whatever Right, like it's like how do I explain any of this and it's like oh, it's actually pretty easy to explain at least somewhat um And like like I said to me I find it really interesting as a process that we have like a brain under the brain That's thinking away and absorbing information and passing it out because we can't we have a limit on how much we can process at any one time Um, it's the same thing of when someone asks you for an actor name You don't have it and then like a day later it just comes to you as though it was a scent to the second brain to work on It's something I find interesting Another thing is I've seen I don't know about you guys, but I've seen scenes in films from like something's bothering me here I don't know what it is. Like something's wrong. I mean that's plenty of times We just have the intuition of like Hmm the fact that I feel that something is wrong And then generally it starts to coalesce of like, ah, that's why that's why oh, yeah, this movie sucks No, I guess You know it just sort of comes together Yeah, and I thought it was cool that they implemented that as like an angle for giving Foundation to the supernatural, but then it was like, no, it's just you're just thinking like no pretty pretty straightforward Sometimes It's yeah, your subconscious brain. He's there picking things up at the conscious brain. He's like, where is it? Well, I can't see this but I can't make sense of it To open your third eye second brain Be nice to talk. We're talking Talking about subconscious stuff is a detail I noticed in a second watch through is When he sort of when he hallucinates seeing the young girl He sees her at the same angle As the photograph that he noticed earlier So really? Yeah So the photo the photograph is of her Kind of from behind you see her face where she's it's kind of like over her shoulder But she's looking to the right and it's extremely similar to the only angle That he gets a close-up of her in his hallucination to the point where it matches the photograph very Very neatly, which is a really interesting kind of piece of detail that he's on I think this recollection of the memory is so That has to be so reassuring to him, isn't it like oh That's why I saw that in that way because in that scene right Ariadne is like there's no girl like you're seeing shit At least now he knows how it came to be that that he saw that the way that he did Oh, yeah Like when he picks up the photo and he looks at it they it lingers on his face where he's just like I think it's all coming together and he's piecing it off, you know Then they have the little flashback where it's you know, but Yeah, well and also the um cup and sauce of being knocked off the table Leading him to the other side of the picture and the The notion of the the tea That only happened because the tea was left on close to the edge And that only happened because of the rushed way it was delivered to the girl at the time And the the room should not be changed in any way she performed maintain it exactly as it was, right? Which uh, we were talking about before the stream because this seems kind of on theme The uh the the downfall of Rowena Not not to mention the beginning of all of the trouble comes with her inability to move on she cannot Yeah, she remains with her ghosts. She can't like deal with the trauma. She has to and so In a sense her inability to allow the death of a daughter to really sink in and to move on from it Keeping that room the way that it was allows clues that existed to maintain existence and that allows puro to have slightly more in uh You know clues to work with which I think it's the last thing he sees before he basically unveils the entire thing there is um Also, I don't know if it's intended But I believe in the half of the photograph That had maxime in it was the one had that had the vast majority of the flowers in it behind him They because they took the photo in the garden with all the flowers and stuff there So all of the you know, those particular flowers were there behind maxime Uh, so I don't know if that was to mean anything or anything But the half that had at least in it didn't really have any flowers behind it But they were very prominent in the half photograph that had maxime Um, I'm willing to believe that a lot of stuff in this movie. I wanted to just go I give this film the benefit of the doubt that things are deliberate And there is a reason why and that there's you know, there's there's a reason for things this Well, so much does seem to work right like, um, I find the second bit are quite I mean all of it is tragic to an extent. It's just that like the nature of a man who When he describes his story, right the Trying to nurse skeletons back to life and accidentally killing them because you gave them the wrong Food and drink without realizing it to the point where he wants to kill himself fails And then lives with the trauma and the guilt Um combined with uh, if you notice like he's got a conflict with maxime And maxime says that he would never kill him because he has a son And that uh later on he says like don't break down in front of your son I think he's very insecure about the fact that he's failed as a father and then The fact that like he wrote a letter before he was going to kill himself. I even tried You got all of that and and, um, Rowena would know all of this and so uses it to kill him Which is really fucking sad when he wasn't even blackmailing her. You just love to Yeah, it's pretty uh pretty sad, I know He's a doctor, right? So he's gonna know exactly where to stab and probably how to as well and then all to save his son Because you know, he just believes that that's the case and everything and then just the fact he's dealing with suicidal thoughts Anyway, uh, it's I forget the actor's name one second. I think I wrote it down All right, uh, isn't it Jamie Dornan, right? That's the one. What was he in that was was he in something cringe? Uh, I don't I don't know like when he was much younger because the thing is I've now seen him in this And uh, anthropoid That's right. Excellent in both Oh, he was uh, he was in 50 shades of gray. There you go Also, that's interesting because like I said, I haven't seen any of 50 shades, but I've seen anthropoid of this and man He's the does his job very well It's funny how many actors have to break away from the thing that got them other jobs, you know Yeah, that's right. The cringe was just a launch pad. You go from 50 shades of gray to madam web Oh, yes And uh, a masterpiece of a a movie what we call an upgrade Madam web exists. That's the film that exists was made right now not too long ago Guys remember madam web Shamefully I do but like it just the way that um Do like the villain in that just has absolutely He just makes absolutely no sense and yet he's supposed to have this this, you know all powerful computer like he it the contrast with this film being that I it actually feels kind of blasphemous to compare this film with my well any good film with modern web, but this one in particular But like the way a lot of this Works is because it doesn't stem from maliciousness. It is a tragedy more than it is a crime story It's certainly in the background that is because like the initial inciting death is an accident. Isn't it? It's not a deliberate Yes murder Which allows for mistakes to be made on the part of the person who will go on to be guilty Which allows for the hero to start piecing things together without relying on grossing competence from the person that they're trying to to root out Which was by way of contrast with madam web where they can play like opposite is the case because the villain is just an absolute clown Actually, um, I was going to mention something that I think there are a couple of stretches in in this film's plot One of them it might just be me not understanding exactly how the events go down, but the The mum is feeding her Essentially a poison to keep her in a more childlike state And what kills her is overdosing on it which happens because she Relinquishes control that night to the housekeeper who doesn't know about the poisoning and so feeds her more of the tea Which I'm all fine with but then they are A little bit spotty on exactly how everything happens next so the housekeeper hears voices And she walks away out of fear of like she wants to go and inspect see what's going on if the Spirits of children around and at that point Because she believes it. Yeah, reina wakes back up and goes to check on her daughter who she finds is dead and then quickly enacts the plan of Putting the mark on her back and then throwing her into the water and then pretending as though she ran off herself and did it I was thinking to myself so Rowena waking back up, which isn't unrealistic I suppose it's just that she had to wake back up in the time frame that the housekeeper both Was away, but also hadn't realized the daughter had died Which you know, the body goes cold Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch and there's a very specific amount of time I don't think it has any cause and effect It's more so just that was lucky that it worked out that way for the story to happen Was Olga maybe getting up and leaving? Maybe her stirring might have woken up the daughter You mean the mother? Who was uh Maybe They don't give you a lot on how it all happened I think the best The faith assumption we can have is she heard voices ran off to inspect them and her running woke up the mum who then checked on the Daughter the daughter's dad she fixed her death And then the housekeeper comes back. That's probably the most reasonable way that happens Yeah, I'd say there's there's a level of coincidence there with being the yeah being some of the timing Well, there's one other thing too, which is the housekeeper is described as carelessly putting the honey in the linen closet Had she not done that? There's a good chance that the honey would have been gotten rid of by the mother And thus would not be given to Poirot, which would not tip him off as to the Nature of the honey having done this at least not from his point of view He could still have to summarize that from the flowers. He wouldn't need the honey Yeah, we still have that element the bees in the you know the basement the old hives You know what she'd said about wildflower honey because remember she says I thought my Uh, call it to a bear or whatever. I think it's the idea. She was trying to get rid of any and all possible links to anything related to the poisoning Um, but yeah, you know That's pretty it's pretty tight Upon a row inspection I'm surprised at how much is actually functional considering the amount of Very dynamics we've got going on here for different people doing different things for different reasons who Like I never would have assumed the person who wrote this wrote uh the first two and by that I mean to the screenplay No, that's well, yeah The wrote those and wrote some other films that uh, yeah, no his history is not reassuring He's written a lot of bad shit. He wrote green lantern. He uh, he wrote loads of heroes Heroes beyond season one is absolute shit Yeah, uh I mean, uh jungle cruise the riveting When johnson jungle and call of the wild the uh, the one with harrison ford that nobody watched And he's uh, he apparently he's gonna be writing a bio shock. So Yeah, I mean, you know Because it's like, you know one one strong screenplay Well, what's funny is um If someone said like could the person who wrote this film with no other information whatsoever Do you think they'd be a suit for writing a bio shock film? It's like potentially With only this film, but yeah only only considering this film Yeah, because I think right If there if I sense an underlying and clear element of passion for what you are doing that gives me great optimism because that passion For writing can be applied to all kinds of different stories. The worst thing Is probably it's not just what's you know, we got a clear lack of talent. It is a clear lack of caring. That's why Like white TV is just like radioactive when it comes to this involvement and things. It's like, oh shit You might just not give a fuck and don't even care that you're ruining things and that's awful Yeah, it's really bad when It's one thing to write something really bad, but you can't Versus Yeah, it's not he's one of those types of people like he probably cares a lot about rebel moon Yeah, there's a noteworthy madness to it, which is at least something Well, it's compared to Compared to the kind of empathy that you get from a lot of writers on marvel films For instance who write stuff that's bad and seemingly aren't like passionate about it at all Like not even just like not passionate about, you know, the marvel stuff But don't seem to have much of a passion for storytelling in general. It's like really lame and off-putting Uh, and I guess it's interesting because I don't know that you write something like this If that's the case where you you don't like care Uh about storytelling, you know It's I'm not sure. I mean, you know and look sometimes sometimes a really great film maker makes a bad film and Sometimes a really bad film maker manages to make a good film. It's hard to tell whether it's a fluke or if it's a Delib like all sort of the product a very deliberate thoughtful considered writing But the thing is that this film is a little it's a little too tight Uh to be the kind of thing where I just be like, ah, well, he just locked into it. I don't it's weird Yeah, this one's like weirdly good in the sense of how much attention to detail and care and passion was Pretty much and every single part of the filmmaking, you know Arsenal here the sound design and the visuals and the script writing and you know all the story stuff It's a complete package in terms of giving a shit so Obviously, you know as moller said the next one of these I will be Interested to see when it releases and my expectations will be high. I'm like Anton ego after the ratatouille I will reach for more My expectations will be high, but that's good because you know, like I'd look rebel moon is It it is what it is It is no there's nothing more or less that could be rebel moon But I know that the next one will be shit. I would wager a good jillion dollars It will be shit because there is a clear pattern here um But I dare you but the thing is if it is good, we'll be ready for it If it is good, we will be I will I will be stunned and I will be happy. I will be happy and stunned. Yes I'll be like wow. You made something that I liked for the first time. I'll be confused. I'll be shocked Oh, it actually will have been more than a decade I haven't seen waterman, but the last thing I like clear up some confusion Some people are saying like surely the director is relevant too. So kenneth brown are directed all three Two of them. Yeah, I think it's in a bad and one of them is good. What does that mean? It's like, well I guess it could mean a lot of things I have no idea whether or not the writer did a better job or if he did a better job or if Because the fact they weren't working from an adaptation. Maybe they have more time I can't know All I do know Is that this film strikes me as having been made by a different set of people or the same people with a different set of Principles now another question was white. Do you think kenneth brown is like a bad creator? It's like no, I have a huge amount of respect for him both as an actor and as a director, but I can't Deny that some of the stuff he's made I think is shit, but some of the stuff he's made. I think it's pretty cool as well So, you know, I I'm fine with that being the reality It's just it's just curious to see This this combination make three films in a series and one of them is just so different than the other two as far as I'm So in both directorially and screenplay What's curious about it is that the one that has pan now to be fair I haven't seen death on the night. Maybe I'll watch it just to round out the set and also because the memes will maybe be funny Um, but what's interesting is that the film out of the two that I've seen that is the best one that he's made Of these this set is the one that is based on a far lesser known Version and not very directly compared to the adaptation of probably the most well known and well regarded a Puerro story murder on the Orient Express. It's just interesting how um Uh, aside, it's just very it's a very, um, bland film that one is anyway And just like a lot of the way that it's made It almost seems like having a much more distinctive and clear Twist on the formula of taking the detective story and injecting more of the like horror and supernatural elements into it Like doing that just openly calls for a different approach to it because you're trying to create feelings of like suspense um, and uh and uh and horror and um Like dread apprehension these sorts of things are just like it invites Um a different approach perhaps rather than playing it very conventionally Or or it could just be that it's like I starting to get his mojo. He's getting into a rhythm He's figured out how to do the uh his version of her cure pyro Um, yeah, because like I said, I preferred the performance and the writing for the character in this than uh, I did I mean, I thought I'd really like him as a pyro. I gotta say I really like him. Yeah I like him a lot pretty charming. I felt yeah, it feels like he's starting And so something to like I think it's curious is the budget was 60 million around that and the gross world wide was 122 I mean, there is interest for the film Somewhat. Yeah, clearly. I mean, that's not a small amount of money Okay, it's not probably the best that they could ask for but at the same time for a film like this that must be okay I'm not that would have made it one of the few successful Disney films of 2023 actually Uh, this is don't give them ideas stay away from this Disney My bad 20th century studio I I gotta say I don't know if I've rancid about it before but how what the fuck Why would you get rid of the name like 20th century fox would be like, ah, no now I mean 20th century studios. What is that? I don't know I can't explain these things to you but uh It's because it's interesting the budget for death on the Nile was 90 million and it grossed 137 Oh, and this is much more successful one then. Yeah, if that was enough to make this then surely we've got a fourth one on the way I would imagine I do hope so. I mean, yeah But maybe I'll feel differently when I watch death on the Nile of it. Oh, shit. All right Let's not try this again. Shall we Well, yeah 90 million 90 million went that mean that it's a lot of champagne. So You know stuff stuff costs a lot Uh a Niles worth of champagne. That's how I measure champagne actually is in Niles worths For instance, like last uh new years. I had 1.3 Niles worth of champagne It's very oh my it's quite there's quite a lot, but you know, it's a special occasion You know, it only happens once a year Um things went well things went really good Is there anything else you would like to say about this film before we Oh, I am sure there is But I'll throw it out as a minor complaint. They are jump scare in the mirror with the loud noise. That was a little bit I agree. There was no noise at all. No sound. Yes No sound. Have a go at it. It's um, it's not just a sound too It's the nature of like everyone knows this is coming. You know, it's coming. Kenneth everyone knows It's the it's the I look in a mirror and then I look away from it by Nealing down or whatever that as I slowly get bugged up. You're like, oh, don't do it. Don't do the thing It's like Uh, okay If you're yeah, if you're if you're trying to get into pro state of mind You want to have it be like it would be in real life Like if you look over and there's like a bug next to you all of a sudden you make that little jump like Oh, there's a bug right there or you turn around and maybe there was just someone standing there and you didn't know And so you jump just a little bit There's no sound. There's no And there's no like suit camera focusing in Everything is totally normal. You aren't expecting it. That's the whole point that you aren't expecting it Uh, so just play it. I mean straight play it like it would be from Poirot's perspective Or he sees it his eyes go big a little and he turns around and there's nothing there and there's no music No stingers. No, just the budzingas. No, it's just wow. That was really weird. What just happened and you could have his expression Please do more of that. Also. I don't like sudden loud noises. I just don't I don't like sudden loud noises well, the thing is it's um I uh, I recently rewatched the shining Um, which has fucking excellent sound design and there's a lot of uh There's a lot of I guess what you could call like loud noises in there But it's it's kind of like um, there's a difference between Doing the whole silence and then like suddenly a loud noise versus the soundtrack and like sound design throughout the film has like these sort of um Not sure like how I would describe them You you know what I mean when I'm talking about like the the music and the shining how there's a lot of like weird disconcerting like strings Uh that come in and out of it that are constantly like oh jeez. I don't know about that Uh, that don't make me feel comfortable. Uh those sorts of things um As opposed to the much more conventional silence silence sounds And then you know and then just back to normal It's kind of like at this point. Can we stop doing that? Everybody knows how it works. Everybody knowing movie thing. Yeah It makes me think of your movie as a movie and not like the story experienced Kind of it for that moment. It kind of pulls me out of it. And I'm like, uh, don't do the movie thing It's fucking cheap and and and easy to do. It's the same thing It's the problem with like modern horror generally is that it goes Way too much on like the guaranteed sort of physiological response to stimuli like it horror is gore and jump scares as opposed to unsettling or Like super even like the the vague supernatural things in in this film which get you sort of uneasy in yourself Which has got much more in common with an old style ghost story than it does with what a lot of the modern horror Words horror genre has become Yeah, slower pace quieter and actually be clever about what you're doing and don't just say Ah, it's disgusting there for it's horrible or made you jump lol. That's not very scary It's not like you earned any it is it is normal It means that your brain your body is working properly when if you hear a southern loud noise You kind of like jolt That's just like That's just something that you do. It's not it doesn't mean that you were scared. It means you were startled Which is a very different thing. Yeah, and it's just it's easy compared to the idea again If you think about a film like The Shining right the gradual building of a sense of unease Turning into like a persistent sense of dread um it's yeah, it's uh It's it's it's lame to just do like the Which I guess is interesting because generally this film does do a good job of um, building a sense of a unease Uh, it's it's a much more like natural and and uh, I guess Lack of a better word a likable sense of unease. It's funny. It's why it stands out. That's Well, perhaps an equally Sort of nitpick level just I didn't like the what obvious use of cg in the skeleton that reveals the bees It's like And it's like Get a real skeleton, but not real bees. Yeah, get a real child. Yeah, just kill a real child You have to wait a few hundred years to make sure it rots the right way, you know I'm just saying make sure you get it right and then bring everyone back I feel like you need to to maybe help with like making better horror films Obviously, there are there are great horror films, but there's a lot of There's damn there's a lot of bad ones Is for people to think about films that aren't uh, I guess what would be conventionally considered horror films that have scary moments or scary imagery um I uh Like it just seems like if there was more of a recognition of the kinds of Horror that will manifest in films that aren't You know, mainly trying to scare you Uh, like a scary expression or certain framing like a shot a kind of shot that is just like uneasy or a certain sound Few or elements of sound design that aren't strictly from like the kind of you know stereotypical horror film That's seeing more of that and then trying to inject more of that into horror films rather than just jump scare Um, or just gore like you were saying as well platoon that those sorts of it just help I don't know what it is, but like jump scares have infected It's also the point as well where you know they're coming which completely defeats the object That you I can't put my finger on exactly why it is Maybe I need to get off of the the weird opium poison thing But like you just know you you're watching a certain kind of film There's a certain kind of shot in a certain kind of corridor and you think uh There's something around that corner. Oh look there it is It's both sides it double dips and how annoying it is because you're annoyed that you're going to be surprised and then they surprise you so it's like Like it's it's just you're startling me. You're not It's buddy. I guess it was a mini cubric arc It recently rewatched for metal jacket as well And um, you remember the the the scene I guess what you call like the end of the first uh Like portion of the story the first part right with private pile And they are like the expression on his face is is it's kind of it's very disconcerting And it's not like played with all of these loud jump scare cues It's just like this is like a scary thing that's happening here Just getting completely absorbed and brought into that moment without the need to do any crazy jump scares or If we're gonna appeal to this we should recognize There's a reason that they do this and it's because the outlast will be what I come back to is like it works Unfortunately for the vast majority of people they like a bit of a whoa They go, oh, that was scary and you're like was it though? What was that scary or was you just getting grabbed and shaken? We just startled compared to something where you're like, oh, that's uh Man, that's just uncomfortable. You know, that's just like an uncomfortable thing right here As you can see from us all calling it being surprised or startled and not I was scared It's just become like that thing that we don't know It's just it's not it it's like uh platoon said it's like you're kind of waiting and expecting to be startled And it's it's almost like there's kind of this uh, fuck you. You're not getting like this out of me I'm gonna be so prepared for you to startle me that I'm not even gonna be startled. You get bored You're ready to get startled. Yeah, I'm preemptively annoyed at what I know is going to happen Oh, what do you know it annoyed me? I was annoyed waiting for it and annoyed when it arrived Which uh, I suppose what's interesting about the conversation You know, Soma's got plenty of moments that go like oh, oh, jeez. I saw a thing and it scared me But I'm obviously much more amenable to uh to I don't like a lot of jump scares because it's so negative a connotation attached to it But I guess being startled You know when you run over my And these are some of videos I think I can't remember if it was those or if it was the machine the pig ones But the natural jump scare versus the Prepared one being the big room lots of fog. There's a creature in here He's on a normal rotation of his own program and you have to find your way to Get around basically If you are running you turn a corner and there he is on his very natural walking cycle And you create a jump scare By doing that like that to me is top tier jump scare That's not yeah, you know That's just that is it. There it is. You've just Jumped into something and you are scared of it. It's like that is the best kind of jump scare possible I think hence why you can have a similar You want to have that happen because it's terrifying So when you force it to happen by locking In the game You it's like make sure you know move this thing that's in your way and your character puts his hands and he goes Uh, and then some guy grabs you goes Oh my god, it's like, yeah, that's a joke and he's like Yeah It happens in a lot of games that aren't even like spooky where you'll be playing a game and your little soldier man's running around and You could just you'll turn a corner or you're going in a direction You don't notice like a horde of enemies or a horde of something and you're like, ah, nope And you just turn around and go the other way and you're like, ah Different on the same level, but it's the you know the same concept just that's what would happen You you look or you look over and you see a bunch of bad things and you know Out of there because like that Outlast when you like There's a part where the floor is given away so that you can only shimmy across a very small amount That's across from like it puts you in reach of a whole bunch of prisoners in cells And you can start moving you see some of them aren't moving at all Some of them are kind of close some of them are hinged and then the ugly boogly man grabs your penis And you're like, oh my god, and he's scary and you just go oh Camera shakes and you fall over. I'm just like, yeah, I knew that what else was gonna happen You guys don't do anything else. You just go ugly Yeah The basement in the last of us part one that basement. Is it the hospital basement? I think it's all flooded. It's really dark No, because I've not played part two. There's definitely a basement thing in part one I think there is Yeah And that that always sticks out as a fairly good example of what you're talking about like you know that there is some Horrible dark shit here and you know, it's going to fuck you up in some way But you don't know precisely what or when and it's the dread of Anticipating it which makes it horrifying more than the actual, you know being mobbed by giant mushroom creatures Like that's a pretty good example of the Diogenic jumpscares, I guess As a really good one the first time You meet the the crawly boys That might unironically be the best movie jump scare in history I think it might be it's it's it's kind of my go-to for Just perfectly executed one Oh my god, well so good someone in chat mentioned the flood and now i'm thinking about No, no, no Next week next week We could talk about in halo combat evolve the the steady reveal of the flood where you're just walking through that's right It's not a jump scare Super interesting because of environmental story telling and the fact that you can navigate the environment at your own pace But walking through the inelaborance of halo and seeing all of the like this weird goo on the walls Tonal build up. Yeah Sound the fact that all the you know covenant We're running away from the place that you're going into and as you're going in all of these breached containment facilities And this weird costs on the walls and everything gradually building up. It's really It's patience, man. Like it's seriously you will be There's a reason why we remember it when that game came out like 36 years ago And we still remember how we feel when we play that and why it works even on a real replay where you get that appreciation of Oh, we're like playing a different video game now. Yeah, exactly. It's a great twist Oh boy, I should do love halo Yeah, next clicker right next week. Yeah Gee fringy don't you make me so eager to Mmm. All right. No, it's good. Well, it's gonna be great Um, it's fair We talk about something we like and then the next we could talk about something that we despise with every ounce of our soul It's just a little bit. It's it's nature. You know balancing everything out It's give and take We there's probably a lot about there is a lot about a hunting event is that no doubt We have skipped over didn't talk about having it hasn't come to the forefront of our minds as you know As we have these pretty much these ambient mostly unguided the discussions There's a lot of stuff in this movie That yeah, we just haven't brought up. I would highly suggest you give it a watch If you are interested in I would suspensey. Yes suspensey dramatic mystery kind of my estimation Uh, I did like it before watching it But uh, the conversation has brought me over to it is definitely in the category firmly good Firmly in the in the in the in fact very good territory. I think I'd be tempted to say It's uh, I would say it's quite impressive. Yes Yeah, it's uh a lot of work Absolutely, it's just you just full of appreciation for it and you're so glad that it exists As I said, not just as a foil to those god-awful ryan johnson movies But it's it was just a really fun Experience to watch the movie Um, I'm actually going to be curious. I've recommended it to my parents So I'll be curious what they say because you know with people's parents and movies sometimes It's the grab bag of who knows what so we shall um, we'll see we'll see but Good stuff a haunting in venice Let's hope the next one is a real banger Yeah Another one I hope so And now the first time in a while Perhaps we should uh, we can we can read some super chats since this episode is not quite as long as uh As it can be when we're talking about something that's absolute shite Wow a live super chat. This takes me back. Just takes me back to I mean for me They're all you're we're kind of live to to us in a way, but this is a Huh, wow I like this Reminds me of and of course I want to give a chance to mr. Platoon if he would like to um eject since this is a An intermission of sorts completely up to you sir unless of course you had anything else to say about a haunting in venice as well Um, no, I think I'm gonna give it a second watch I think I was probably slightly cooler on it going in but actually this part It's the great thing about being here is that you learn things about it that you didn't pick up on So I think I will go and give it a second try Very much enjoyed it. Yeah, but no, I'm happy to stick around. It's e-fap. You can't quit after That's three hours. That's just right And some people do they end up in jail Well, then I shall get started the first Message is this is what I love about e-fap listening to four men talking about playing with their chickens Yes We have a bit of a you know expectation of that and we didn't want to um upset anybody by not including it Boy Love chickens. Mm-hmm more stellar blade is a girl's game. You should have played mgr The main protagonist raiden is a male raiden, right is a man probably say probably also high dog Hi, oh raiden is the one from mortal combat Raiden is metal gear solid. Correct. Raiden is metal gear solid. Yes. Yeah, and that's right And he chops him up with his sword. I have played I see Revengeance, right rising revengeance is what it's called metal gear rising revenge. Yes. It's a great name. Um garbage title I played a bit of it. I should play it again someday like to finish it or whatever If you gotta you gotta see armstrong you gotta fight armstrong Because part of what makes for you miss downs the stellar blade demo came out. It was great. It's actually like not bad Uh, why sore, uh, they they stayed to play they showed some gameplay for it And it's like, yeah, it looks like a sort of fun devil may cry esk action. It's not just boobs Or ass. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's also ass. Yeah It is also just in raiden's defense It would be really mean if if everyone's association of raiden was just Revengeance, whatever the fuck it was called also sons of liberty, which is the actual good metal gear game that he's in Wait, what do you think metal gear solid for? I don't know if I've played for I don't think I have I believe he is in that I see I don't think he was in five, which is the one that I put Uh, he was in ground zeroes is like pre-order, uh, dlc. I remember that the you remember ground zeroes But they charge like 40 dollars for her Oh, no, wait, they reduced it to 30, but it was like three hours long In fact, I think I'm overestimating its length. I think it was shorter than that I think about it um Opinions on smiling friends season two premiere I haven't seen it yet. I really enjoyed it. I think it was awesome. I got the ending joke with mr. Boss Wait, wait, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I won't say it, but I know I want to experience it naturally like Spoiling that there's funny jumpscare. It was it was really funny It's a good joke and it was a good episode. I enjoyed it a lot. I'm really excited for season two I'm a big fan of smiling friends, right? I'm I'm very impressed by the general Would like lots more directly injected into the brainstem or whatever. He'll be great Yeah, that would make me ugly good Now let's be real the chat is guilty of being epic also molla I believe I deserve a banning now that I've subbed in double digits Oh, they mean because of the Hassanak. This is actually a reference to now Once you get the triple member digits, that is uh, we don't just ban you We we hunt you down and kill you because that's just inspired by Hassan himself working class andy Yeah For an update for anybody who's not aware of this in the e-fab fandom He's been losing his mind because his audience is shrinking and nobody cares about the creative things According to him that he wants to do He's very angry that there are subreddits that make fun of him for losing Uh, what what I mean a mind like Hassan's what constitutes a creative thing I don't know when I swam he swam something in some some place swam. Yeah Well, like he jumped in the water and and did like some like freestyle or something Yeah, there's like an exchange where someone suggests he should go out in the water and swim and then he says I fucking did that already it goes to show none of you pay attention to what i'm actually doing He is like really big mad about uh losing viewers though, isn't he? Yeah, didn't he start up he's starting a podcast with idubbs or something Like man, you had a the amount of videos about the fall of idubb Dude some people don't even know he was once upon a time the most invincible person on the internet He could literally do anything and he'd be fine like uh idubbs could be the poster child of fall from grace Yes, I suppose boogie has that title right? It's boogie's boogie's boogie's sort of there But because of idubbs was just like super funny Edgy people were constantly quoting him the memes and the gifts were all over the place You had the content cop stuff. He was just this kooky crazy guy that everyone liked and now things are different um, so Not good Main villain of the daisex guy isn't a guy named bob Uh, yeah page. Hmm good. That's right. It could be william, right? Lacky guy william page Well, I guess it'd be full name. Yeah, I suppose Will I am page? hmm Quote spiders are like weird oracles jbo ragsons Interesting. There's some wisdom in that. Oh, I thought of a wise thing The other day it was sometime yesterday I forget when I was thinking and I had a thought and my my nugget of wisdom was You cannot Clean your butthole if you clench While you wipe and I thought hmm There's a lot of wisdom in that All right The more you tighten your cheeks again the more shit will slip through your fingers like that kind of thing Something like that dance. I think okay. I think that is a really good phrase that a lot of people Can draw something from and I'm gonna leave that there because there's a lot of there's a lot of wisdom There's a lot of wisdom in that a lot of themes and when will we get efap gaming hell divers too? Hmm Not I don't know but I'm definitely down for it because I'm a big fan of hell divers too We have fringy moller myself some others. We have played the hell divers too Rather fun game. I am definitely I'm definitely down for the hell divers efap gaming Hey guys, I'm turning 21 tomorrow. I'm gonna try some alcatisms. Wish me luck Good luck. We don't have plenty of fun Congratulations, you made it to 21 you avoided death for 21 years. All right. Good job Yeah, good job Have fun bringing silent green goo is people it's people I'm glad you addressed the allegations so quickly We have it on a record Definitely not people but Shout out to ross scott's efforts to stop games from getting killed if you purchase the crew at any point Do your part to help stop games from getting killed Stop killing games The crew was a racing game by ubisoft that was like one of those sort of you know shared world You know like how destiny the division they're all All interested in like the shared world thing. I think it was like a shared world always online Racing game that I think recently got its service shutdown and delisted I believe So I presume maybe you would like the idea of making the game still available or something along those lines Well, yeah, I mean keep gaming alive. I am on board of that game is pretty cool But I think they're probably not in trouble in terms of staying alive just staying Good Oh, yeah that Part of the conversation, especially with always online games Uh, my gf and I just broke up. Thank you for a very welcome distraction. I'm sorry to hear that Yeah, that's uh, that's all right though. That's Yeah, that's that's that's what happens, you know out of the thing that we're able to do escapism part of life We uh, we can get you in a position where maybe you can just be thinking about a spooky haunted house where uh, Belgium's active has to solve a mystery Um, I don't know if I would recommend this movie for the situation you're in But it certainly may very well be gripping and it may give you a perspective on life in some way shape or form I would hope you know a good way to take away the wrong lessons from this film They're right, which is if you can't let someone go you should definitely poison their tea. Oh, no, maybe that's not the right lesson to take away Yeah, we'll avoid that one Uh, hello there. Has anybody watched HBO's six feet under it's a family drama set at a funeral home sound familiar Great character work and ending Never never watched that one. I'm afraid No, I haven't seen it. Nope. That's a no from everybody Hello all will there ever be a Chernobyl breakdown slash praise I think it's one of the best pieces of media ever made yet. It gets no e-fap attention to be fair 99.9% of media gets no e-fap attention Yeah, I really like Chernobyl a lot. Um, that's right. We've talked a lot about uh, it's not a lot Yeah, and especially when we watched the last of us it would have come up a fair few times because it's uh, Craig Mazin Yep, I agree that it is excellent But that we have given it attention compared to a lot of other stuff There are things that we think are amazing that we haven't even mentioned on this show probably that's right name one moller Uh, here I go. Here I go button. Are you ready? All right ready? I'm ready. I'm about to say it The man who would be king. I am Oh, yeah I like that movie a whole bunch and I don't think I have ever mentioned it on e-fap before I don't think you have either. I also really like that movie So there you go. All right, Fringy now you I want a film that we've never talked about on e-fap that I really like but it's like top-tier media Yeah, something excellent that we have not mentioned never discussed Like ever in any capacity I feel like a film would have come up at least once if it was a film that we've give it a go Top tier film that we haven't really discussed at all And games be our games games whatever I mean, have we ever done like a full blown? Have we how often we talked about super mario galaxy because I love super mario galaxy I'm sure you've mentioned we've definitely covered videos covering my america Yeah, definitely I'm surprised that we're not tasked with doing something obscure but great you went with mario It's super mario galaxy. It's a great okay, but give me rags you go while I think all right Um, I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it. Let me double check the name though All right, well you're doing that a little bit, too And what do you have you got what would you never reference but you simultaneously think is excellent Um using the word excellent very broadly there was a film on I think I put it on last night Well, it's called the night of the big heat. I think it's called. It's a horror film ish Um with christmas. I think it's a hammer film from like the 60s I say excellent advisedly It's more one of those moments where you get to the end and you think what the fuck was that about Because um, the basic premise is that these alien creatures have somehow beamed over via satellite to earth Their temperature is rising and these people have to try and kick out this plan to stop them And they fail but at the end of the film it just starts raining and the the creatures die and you think well But that was bound to happen Anyway, so What what was the big drama? Well, and it was one of those sort of things I just sat there and kind of laughed at and in a weird way that's Fun and excellent, so I'll I'll nominate the night of well since you saw it last night That doesn't really the point is It's been out since the 60s. It's it's been around for ages I've thought about a uh It's it's it's a game that I think I may have only referenced once before but it's uh, it's it was It's called road trip adventure on playstation 2 I don't know if I'd say it's excellent But I remember really enjoying it and I feel like that's a game I've never seen get talked about ever There you go. It's it came out. It's uh, it it was fun. It's it's it's like a world Where there's it was cars before cars and interactive Yeah, the cars didn't have like eyes or anything or mouths, but the cars were alive And I lived in a world that was like constructed for cars And you would drive around and go on adventures in this in this world and it felt like it's a really big open world I'm not sure how big it actually was So yeah road trip adventure on playstation 2 And rags, what have you got? Well, I think I've mentioned elite bead agents. I think uh How about mass grade the 2012 South Korean movie directed by choo chang min. I really like that movie a lot. I don't think we've I I don't know if I've ever mentioned it before but it's a movie. I really really like that counts I don't think you've ever referenced it in a way of Like a point of praise or criticism to something else. I don't I'm gonna you have at least I don't think so Yeah, because I can't tell you never know when things just get off-handedly remarked upon as existing I think I've talked about um The princess and the goblin the 1991 animated movie that I watched as a a young lad that I I quite liked a lot There is I have mentioned little Nemo adventures in slumberland Which will be a part of a future EFAP arc But that's all that's all I'll say um I think I have meant I'm trying to think of like um What about final fantasy? tactics Grimoire of the rift the the ds Uh final fantasy game. I I quite like that A lot now you make me think about another game that I think I've never meant I really like pokemon mystery dungeon blue rescue team on uh, nintendo ds I never played those. I never played the mystery dungeon ones. I don't know anything Like a story where you were who became a pokemon and you lived in a world like it was a pokemon world Kind of funny how it's unified, you know the first game. It's like, yeah, it's a world where the cars have a little society Uh, this one it's it's pokemon. They have their society and you go on an adventure and you discover You you untangle a mystery and it's it's really fun. Okay. Uh, I really like blue. Uh, yeah Pokemon Pokemon games getting getting bold trying to have a story You just make me think about the story of like you Growing up as a pokemon or whatever just get around Collecting whatever you need to live and stuff and then some guy comes along with a creature beats you the fuck up and captures You enforces you to fight No, well think about it from this perspective. What if you are the lowly You know Pidgey or Caterpie the level two fucker And you're just like a pokemon trainer's first pokemon that they catch And but then over time you grow up To be this really strong powerful pokemon who's got like fame Because in the world it would be that pokemon would be basically as famous as the trainers A lot of the times so you would go from just living in the grass Just being a Caterpie or whatever and then You you your trainer beats the elite for you become a pokemon master You've got fame and fortune and bitches and all that stuff And it's like this from zero to hero journey from the pokemon's perspective Uh that you know, that's certainly a way to look at it, but What about the really heart-rending moment though when you realize that your time is up and you've been sent to the box on the pc You've been replaced by a fucking Dude, that's so many levels because it could be simulated that you're happy and it's like are we where are we what is this is this real What is real about it at the beginning of the efap, but the pokemon world is a world of horror Really, so we just Ah look, I just like I was it's buy some cards for nostalgia man. You know, that's You don't try to abuse nothing of a blast twice Just kind of look at look at hydra pump over here the a brutal pokemon with pressurized water jets on its shell They're used for high speed tackles level 52 number nine if you got hit by blast stories in his cannons I might actually just like tear the flesh from your head. It was really powerful Blast some things that I've noticed especially looking at these original nine cards I'd have to go to the case and pull out the specific ones, but like um, you would have a trio like um, blah a squirtle war turtle blast toys and You'd like the three evolutions and you'd have different illustrators It wouldn't be the same illustrator for all of them So you'd have like ken suge mori has done a lot of art for pokemon And he would do like the first and the third but the middle would be someone else or like the inverse of that Or you'd only do the first two or the last two So the way that they kind of organize this seems odd You think you'd want to have the same guy You know do all three to keep an interesting sort of visual style for the evolution But it's not something that often happens and I wonder how those decisions are made Oh, there's a lot of really good pokemon art Um, I've while looking around for cards shopping for cards um There's a lot of I think magic has like the easily magic has the best uh Card art that I've seen but there's a lot of really cool fun stuff because you you can't really have the same Isle of art on a pokemon card that you can't on a magic the gathering card. It's just totally different vibes, you know So it's it's there's just a lot of great a lot of great pokemon art I just want to say shout out to all the different styles and things that they try They can get downright experimental sometimes and you know, I appreciate that Anyway That's why we haven't covered shinobu Oh blastoise how high is he because now that I've got the card in my hand what how high is blastoise? Do you know? You know it says the height and the weight Yes Aren't they all like deceptively small because everyone's idea comes from the the the cartoon show where they Blow them all up or something not literally blow them up blow up their size Love grenades in their mouths no aren't they like way smaller than you think like one point like is he like 1.8 meters or something I what is that in feet? I It has feet ninches listed on the card That's a sensible thing to use, but I don't actually know what the corresponding thing is. Let's go meters To feet you said 1.8. Yeah 1.8 for blastoise. Let's check that is not too far off But it's too high Too tall It's that it's too big isn't that's too big He's shorter than 5 foot 10 one me 1.8 meters is 5.9 feet So You're off by a bit Not too much, but you are off you you you think he's taller than he really is which I don't blame you I was a little surprised when I looked at it too Officially, I'll tell you this is official from the The 1999 original ring so Yeah, he's five foot three Hmm blastoise is five foot three. He weighs 189 pounds pretty sure my mom is taller than that That's just they're actually specific. They said 188.5 pounds So we got decimals for our poundage here on blastoise Good that they've done that 188 point it is good. It's world world building Do you know what kind of pokemon he is? Or is he his type? Yeah type not just not element or type but like Like kind So not just water No, not water But what what type is he? Like like kind I don't even know what it's actually called like for instance a I think I know what you're talking about right where like the different pokemon There was a type but there was some other description of the kind of pokemon that they were that wasn't Category so like a for alligator is big jaw category. Oh Okay, um hard shell You are One of those words is correct Um Shell cannon Not not a bad guess is it a big shelled No, it isn't big shelled okay, but that wasn't a good It is shellfish Oh He's a shellfish He's clearly a turtle Clearly a fucking turtle, but they call him shellfish because okay. Well a turtle is not a fish so uh That's it's it's very strange very strange the world of pokemon. I like the idea. There's a pokemon guy who wrote that He's like you mother fuckers pokemon a real okay. I could call him up the fuck I want No pokemon's not real and I know that you can call it whatever you want But I still object to calling him a fish when he's clearly a reptile exactly interestingly squirtles category is Tiny turtle Yeah, see that's more accurate. Yeah, which is like yeah, it's a turtle and it's small. It's one foot eight What is that like war turtle? I'm wondering if that's small for a turtle I guess it depends on what because some turtles are fairly small But some of them are chungo or turtles category is turtle He go you go from You go from tiny turtle to turtle Yeah He somehow turns into a Wait, is a is a is a lobster or shellfish? Yeah Okay, right. So basically it's just the crabs and lobsters and they're they're shellfish I see Isn't that the old youtube video pokemon but with animals instead when monkey evolves into steve from accounting I'm sure that's a thing I think um In the first generation of poke I learned this I learned this the other night That was the other last night. It was last night. I was talking with friends about brand of things pokemon came up only one pokemon in the first generation is a A pure is a is only grass type He's he's pure grass type only one pokemon in the first generation is Do you know which one it was? dragon No dragonite you mean I was close not to be confused with dratini and dragon air But try no though. It's not There's only one fully evolved angler or something or fully evolved. Oh, no, you're right tangola Oh, it was angler. How did you know that? Uh, because I remembered it thinking that's surely not that I thought that was a It confused me at the time because I remember thinking it was a poison thing, but it never was Well, almost every grass pokemon is going to be dual type with poison I think executor Was the the exception to that what basically basically every grass or execute are By the way shellfish are not fish No, you saw last ois Right, that's a separate category blast ois is also not a shellfish. Okay, like even you know Shellfish are not fish. He's nor fish nor he is. He is a reptile. That's right over the head category Categories are important Because you have we set up patterns tiny turtle turtle shellfish Um What was the super chat the the the nature of covering shinobal, um, we praise it and recommend it in us It's just the it doesn't it doesn't get the coverage that perhaps someday, you know what when they have a second one That's when we'll do it shinobal 2 because obviously It's just a matter of time before another one happens. And so then when they make the show about it, we'll cover them both Um shinobal would explain how a turtle could evolve into a shellfish Oh, that's true. Yeah Also, someone there's a lot of fun interesting weird strange pokemon packs out there Someone in chat has one i want to point out the only dragon move in the first generation Was dragon rage which only did 40 damage every time no modifiers So dragons being weak to dragon Was meaningless No, which makes you wonder when people are going through and like all of this stuff is specifically done So it is interesting how that happened Uh, all right, this one says my work here is dumb No Well, you don't know you sending us money is not dumb Maybe they want to be dumb. I think it's great Maybe they want to be dumb. Mm-hmm. Oh, well Well, that's maybe but it isn't Hello fringy mola rags an old platoon. Can I ask you a question? Yes Including that one Well, they said they're another I've asked you Oh That's uh, that's one of those mildly clever things that you could do is you say can I ask you two questions? And then they say yes And then you ask them a question and they're like, what's the other one? It's like that was the other And then you just leave it there and let it simmer and then they fucking hate you No, no They don't hate you how then how come how come everyone loves me then? Because I am intermittently mildly clever and everyone loves me nobody. So What are you trying to say? Maybe it's in your delivery. Maybe it's your like your tone your inflection Yeah, maybe the reveal you're like that was the second question And then you roll your eyes like mean girls and then you walk away and you fart On command. Mm-hmm. I had a when I was uh, when I was young I had a cut. Well, I still have a cousin when I was young I met a friend of my cousin who could inhale air through his butthole It was very strange. Mm-hmm. You have to like get out of this power I don't know. I can't remember the answer Did he have an uncle that told him with great power comes for responsibility after knowing that I don't want to talk about his uncle after he discovered this power But he was on he he'd have to get on his back and he like lift his legs up and then he He could even suck air through his butt and made the strangest noise But yeah, I could imagine that's not going to make a normal noise Yeah, it was very odd. Um That's one of those superpower. It's one of those powers. I'm not going to call it a superpower But it's definitely a definitely an ultra power Yeah, there's probably a furry out there who's going I'd be curious for little platoon's answer to this before Myself and free share our response because we watched the film recently, but I don't know if it's Sort of reflective of more than just the specific thing they're talking about But they said I recently watched the 1974 murder on the Orient Express and wasn't impressed with it The main problem is that Poirotras trusts all these murderers that the person they killed actually was who they claimed him to be Without any independent evidence proving that to be the case Um I don't have an answer for that because it's been such a long time since I've seen it. I genuinely don't remember. Um, maybe Uh, since I rewatched with ringing the the 2017 vision semi recently one of my many issues is that uh, the character of Is it Rossetti rosetti, I can't remember what the Rossetti was the mole from animal crossing Hmm. He was Yeah, but did he go on the orion express or no? Yeah. Yeah, everyone gets to the town by train So, yeah, it's okay. So the guy from animal crossing, uh, I don't know that they had enough information on him to condemn him We were simply told that was the case And Poirot's POV I think what they want you to do in the film is by the the case was so public The evidence was so clear that everyone just knows definitively that he was a bad guy and he needed to be destroyed um But that's not As satisfying I think compared to knowing Like the audience don't actually find out what his motivation was at least not in the 2017 vision Which I thought was a big miss. It's like surely knowing Like the story is they tell it to remain relatively spoiler-free Feels a little weird. Um, once you get all of the accounts from everybody of what he did it sounds super villain level and um Someone I said about watching it. I was like, what is uh, why did he do it? And it's like, I don't know Unless I miss something. I don't think We get to know Why he's not a nice person. Um, he does speak to a couple people in ways that are very ass holy and what he says to Poirot And the one conversation they have I think is not reassuring of him as a Uh Like a good guy or anything. It's just that when you consider what happens to him And whether or not that should be punished. It's a bit like, hmm That gets complicated I also have seen the um original murder on the orion express Wasn't a big fan of it felt way too on the rails for me Oh my god Be careful there like a lot of people will assume that you actually are not a fan of it Um, well, I mean at the end it does pick up steam. So there is We are sure the people before they were not writing comments about how you misunderstood the film or something Uh No, I'm just I'm just gonna leave that one there. All right instead. I'm gonna talk about instead I'm gonna talk about how Mr. Rossetti and Animal Crossing if you reset your game without saving the next time you put up the game He would not only Be there once you leave your house To play he would be there and he would stop you and say you fucker Right, don't reset your game. Your progress isn't saved if you reset the game and you don't save You have to save before you stop the game And he would do this in different ways to the point where you would have to manually type in like on the Game pound on the game cube like click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click Which you were because it was animal crossing. Those are people's lives in there, okay? But because you knew the next time you loaded up that game. Oh God, Mr. Rossetti, he's gonna be there. The game knows. Somehow it knows. Ugh. I gotta deal with Mr. Rossetti outside my- He cared about you. Deep down he had- he had good intentions and it would prevent people from resetting without saving. So it worked. It worked in its own way. They made him a character in universe to refer to like a meta thing. I don't think I've ever seen that in a game actually. I think Rossetti is a is a very unique character in video game history for what he sort of represents and who he is. He crosses the the the barrier between the world of the living and the dead. Just psychomantis in like isn't the first middle of the game when he says he tells you to eject your memory card and stuff. Yeah, he'll psychomantis and Mr. Rossetti are kind of thematically linked. Yeah, he'll sell your data to Google or whatever. Because he's a mole so he can dig straight through to China. He can actually get there faster than anyone else because he can go there in a straight line. The rest of us have to go around the around the whole planet but he can just do straight lines straight through to China. Or actually, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, please, please do an e-fat movie for Ryan Sky. It's easily the best bad movie ever made and I need your reactions to the ridiculousness. Maybe we will. Maybe. Who knows? The response to HBomber Guy's defense of Dark Souls 2 is an example of a justified premeditated murder. Also, hi dog and frog. Hi. I didn't kill anyone. I just said a bunch of stuff. It's different. But fair enough, Branagh's weird double mustache. Woparo has always thrown me off. It's odd. We had like a triple mustache in the first one. It was horrible. It's a look. It's a look. It's not bad in this one. Two is just enough. It's just enough to be a thing without being overly conspicuous and like too much. It's not too gaudy but it's a little just a touch of fancy. Because I'm a shallow dick. I think that is pretty much the reason I've never seen a kind of Branagh borrow until this one. Should I look at the mustache look now? No, he took the criticism to heart and lost the crazy mustache from the first one when he went to the second one. So he was like, okay, fine, fine. Everyone's shitting on me for this. Fine. Fine. I won't have it anymore. It's my vision. It's the right decision. He wears it how he likes around the house. But when he gets the knock on the door he rushes to the bathroom to the mirror to adjust his mustache to something more socially acceptable. And then I already know the answer for this. Well, possibly everyone here. Hello, EFAP crew. I wish to know what your favorite John Carpenter film is. I'd asked more previously, but YouTube flizzoned when you answered sad fate. Well, the thing. I mean, it's just it's so clear to me. The thing dominates. I do like the fog. The fog is okay, but it's nothing compared to the thing. Do you know the difference between fog and mist? The thickness. It's how far you can see through it. So that's so I think if you can see through, if you can see at least I think it's a kilometer, then I think it becomes fog. But if you can, then it's missed. What if I can see through it because of my X-ray vision? Well, then I think it's still it is what it is. You're just operating on your special powers. You get to ignore the rules. The rules are the rules, but you get to ignore them because you're super powered. I learned that from Lee Mack on an episode of What I Lie to You. What's your favorite John Carpenter film, Rex? I mean, it's got to be the thing. What is everyone's backup then? When the thing gets muted from New York? Sure. I like how I live. Yeah, it's fair. I probably go with big trouble in Little China. I haven't seen that, but I've heard it's very good. I haven't seen either actually. I need to. All right. Do you think that whenever the something bad happens in China, but it's not too bad, all of the people who write news articles have to resist the urge to be like, big China in Little Trouble. I mean, they've probably done that a few times, yeah. Yeah, okay. That's amusing. Though flawed, the Orient Express movie had a better ending than the book. In the film, Poirot is conflicted with the choice he needs to make in the end. In the book, he just makes the choice, and that's it. Still a good read. Oh, got some controversial Orient Express opinions in here. Yeah, I don't remember really walking away from that movie, thinking that it was like greater good or anything. I just, I don't know, it's just, it's fallen out of my mind. Like I know I have seen that movie, but I just don't remember it ever being like, oh, that's a good one you should remember. You know, I don't know. I don't know. Farewell, and adieu to you fair fleamish massives. Farewell, and adieu, you massives of fleam. This is character Michael Douglas making a reappearance. You have fleamish hands, Mr. Massive. You've been counting grumbos all your life. That's a quote from, I assume the film Chickpea Grumbo, I'm not sure. You've got meme hands. And they also said, I agree with Fringy, breast reductions violate the Hippocratic oath. Goodness, all right. I don't recall ever making any comments on that subject. Even though, as we all know, Fringy is, is the, he's the most sexual of the EFAP hosts. But I don't, I don't recall him ever saying that. He just, I don't remember saying something like that. No, just, I don't think I've ever commented on that subject. Smaller breasts can impact the Hippocratic ratio, though. The ratio. What's that? The ratio of breasts to hips. Ah, I see. Yeah. Like the hippo, yeah. Hip. Hot take. If a film or show has too much good things about it, then you cannot say it is bad. Is that a hot take? Is it like a quantity of good? It reaches a quantity of good stuff that it, that no matter how bad the rest of the, yeah, like relative to how much, you know what I mean? Like, how much bad or good? Is he just describing like something that is good isn't bad? Well, because yeah, for it to have a lot of good, too much good, then there's no space for it to be too much bad. I guess like I would agree with that. Because I, I don't think I would describe a movie as bad if it had a sufficiently high amount of good things in it to where I thought the movie was good. Because I'm not going to say a movie is good and bad. It'll be one or the other. But what if it has that it does good, good, good, good, good, good, good, and then it completely does not stick the landing and actually undoes all of the good. It can be complicated. But technically, quantifiably, that's one bad thing to a lot of good things, but it means the film is probably bad still. Well, we normally, we normally say that things are mixed when we talk about that. Yeah. Trying to go by threads, right? Like individual character journeys, how strong is the theme? How does the plot line look overall? Like how much damage does this bad ending do? Is it to everything and everyone? In which case, that could have poisons the entire story almost. You know, it depends. I'd have to have some examples. But I'm inclined to both agree and disagree. Because that's apparently my opinion. I think so. Yeah. Like if there's enough good things, you can't say it's bad because like, yeah, because eventually enough good things means that the thing is good and not bad, right? So it just refers to midnight mass. I was about to say, look, look. The first five episodes are fucking great. Okay. They're so good. Things get things happen. Oh, boy. Even my yeah. I was talking with some like I mentioned that family trip and I was talking with an aunt and an uncle or an uncle and whatever relatives. And we're talking about midnight mass and some stuff. And I was like, yeah, midnight mass. It started out really good. But boy, that's one of the worst episodes, last episodes I've ever seen of a show. And even they were like, yeah, like what the hell happened? God, like it's probably worth me never watching it again. It made me so fucking mad. Like I can't. That's why I can't recommend it. Yeah, it makes it so hard to recommend it because the last episode is that bad. I can recommend Hill House. I can recommend Bly Manor, but I cannot recommend midnight mass. That's how bad it was. What you just said is interesting that you said you could even recommend Hill House that we've got coverage explaining how bad we think the ending to that is. But still. But still, still such quality. Yeah. Also, force Fringy to say his across the spider first opinions and they got a little halo smiley face. Oh, Fringy, what is your opinion on across the spider verse? I think it's got really great art and animation. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There you go. You got a perspective. That is his opinion. I agree. I agree with Fringy's perspective. I'm inclined to agree with him as well. So but I'll I'll be the controversial one here and say that I do not like the look of Gwen's universe. I think it's garish. You mentioned that and I'm not sure that I agree with you. That's fair. I know it's totally subjective, but especially when we see all of the other places, I don't agree with the art. Not agree. I don't like the way that her universe looks in terms of its color and detail levels. Otherwise, I can understand how you feel that way. Yeah. So yeah. All right. My face would hurt sometimes when playing Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth because of all the smiling I was doing. Oh. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Hi. I'm Gag to Michael Douglas. And in EFAP 278, I got a great chuckle out of Rags saying, why can't he believe anything? What is what is the context for me saying that? He can't believe anything. I don't know. Actually, I'm trying to think that you've got me curious because just hearing that without remembering the context is funny. 278 was the one before the themes one. I'm trying to remember which one it was. Yeah. So that was, uh, damn it. I feel like I know the, I know what it was. Yeah. Come on, brain. I can't remember two EFAPs ago for some reason. That was, um, oh. He says it's the Acolyte, Algo, Fandom, and... Oh, yeah. Oh, thank you. Oh, yeah. Because I can't believe this, blah, blah, blah, that you said, why can't he believe anything? Yeah, I remember. I remember. Like, yes, you believe anything. One thing they really... There's not much peak fire, right? Then it becomes hard to believe, you know, what is real and what's fantasy at this point. Doctastic and volunteerism, peak fire, bro. One thing they really acknowledge in movies, with very alcoholic characters, is how painful it must be for them to go to... Wait, is there a second half of this? Oh, how painful it is for them to go number two. Oh! Wait, is it painful to... Why is it painful as an alcoholic to go to poo? If you're an alcoholic to go to poo? If you're an alcoholic to go to poo? If... Alcoholics in chat, is it painful to poo? Is it painful? What? Alcoholic to go to poo? How are you thinking, alcoholic? You was funny. I've never heard of this. I've never heard of this. I thought it was the way they usually do super chats when you put, like, you know, one of two. I thought that's what was happening. So it was like, when they go, it was like, where's the other half? It was like, no, just go number two. If someone I was at uni with who had the opposite problem, he drank so much, he shit himself. Really hard to live that down. Wait, so is it all a reading way too much into that? I read what it is. No, that's confusing. I've never heard of this. I never heard that alcoholism makes it painful to poo. I've never... No, this is news to me. Yeah, this is news to me. No one in my family is an alcoholic, so maybe I just haven't brushed against it. Maybe that's why Randy was having such a difficult time on the pooper. Yeah, maybe. That joke is so funny. Just having Emmy award-winning television series on the screen while Randy is screaming, oh, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. He's trying to poop. I will say that every number two means a number one, but not every number one means a number two. I mean, yeah, obviously on that one, I suppose. I'm sorry, I'm collecting images. We got a rate Skeptile and Weevil. Okay, I'll do, I'll look up Weevil and you can do the Skeptile. Go through that image work. Weevil, I believe, is the first gen. Oh, I know him. Yeah. So here he is. N3, that's, yeah. Weevil? No, Weevil. It's a Weevil. Weevil, yeah. Oh, Weevil, like he's like a jerk. Weevil. Because Weevil is the cute little caterpillar thing that turns into Beedrill. Yeah. Weevil is, I don't know what a Weevil is, so I'm guessing it's after generation too. I'll show you this. Wait, this one seems familiar. Like we've- I really enjoy Hasmug. I got to go with, what's the first one? Yeah, I'm going with number one. Skeptile. I'm going with Skeptile. I'll look at that, look at his face. Look at his face, he's got an expression. Yeah, the second one is a bit anthropomorphic for my taste, and not in a way that I like. Meowth is my favorite Pokémon. But I feel like Meowth is like special in that they're most human-ish in disposition and kind of like expressions and stuff. The bottom one looks like the face of every animated movie cover, you know, that smug confidence kind of thing. But the first one's a mood, and I like his, I don't know, I like him. I like the big fluffy, I like the spiny tail. I like how he stands, I like his proportions. I like his face, sells it. I just, I love the face. And the bottom is like, oh, you're the- He's so funny, I love it. I really like it. I want to see, what does, what does he come from? He is a Skeptile? He's Greco, Greco, whatever, what's the, that's the, he's Gen 3 starter Pokémons. Oh boy, you can start out with this lad. Well, he, well, you don't start with him. He, and he's like, oh, there's a mega Skeptile too. So he comes from, how do I, from Grovile, final form of Treco. Oh yeah, I've seen this guy here. He starts off as this. Yeah, I like that. I like him. And then he turns into that. Yes, which is another good, I like him. It's almost like Raptory. He's almost like a, like a Raptor with the wings on his little. I like the Gen 3 starters. They're cool because you've got Mudkip and Torchik. We talked about this extensively on one of our Super Chat Ketchups. Talking about a lot of the starting Pokémon for many generations. So some of them really good. Some of them really bad. Pretty bad, yeah. So mixed bag, but I like, I like it a lot. Yeah. We got an extinct animal of the day. Macro Eufractus, the killer Armadillo. And this is an artist rendition. There you go. Oh my goodness. Look at that guy. Look out for him. I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to step on him. Looks like the kind of thing you have to kill and fall out. It's like an armored mole rat. A mole rat with an armor, yeah. Brackets, they've called it Armacillo. Armacillo. Yeah, that'd be fine for a fantasy setting. Actually, someone has just sent me a message. Alcohol keeps your body from releasing vasopressin, a hormone that helps your body hang on to fluid by preventing water from going out in your urine. Less vasopressin means you'll need to pee more, but when your body gets rid of more fluid than normal, that can make you constipated. I see. We know the lore. And I agree with the super chat. They need to portray that more in media. This one says, I love Nathan in South Park, that face. Oh yeah, that's, yeah, that's right. He, he's very smug as well. You remember him, right? I don't, I don't think. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, because our extinct animal of the day was the killer Dillo, this was posted on my server earlier. This is a pink fairy armadillo. That looks like he's trying to be about 15 different animals at once. I know. And you know what? Right on, man. You damn. Yeah, keep trying. You'll get that one day. And thank you for funny shriek on open bar 89. Also, hi rags. Hello. Yeah, for those who don't know, I was experiencing way too much. God of War Ragnarok is terrible at once. I like overloaded. But it was funny because I had a couple other things happening in the background that were really fucking annoying. The nobody needs to know about it. I was literally just like, oh, because some people got the impression that I was annoyed that someone could prefer the OG games to the new ones. I was like, what are you talking about? I fucking I'm totally fine with that. Completely make sense. Especially God of War Three, of which I have expressed many times that I love. But yes, I think that got made into a short on the highlights channel where I was just. Yeah, yeah. It's so many, so many times you can see this. You hear the same thing over and over and over and over again. It's just like, here we go again. Here's $5. Now, can you please do your iconic Gwimbly dance for me? Yeah, here. Just like, let me, my headphones are off. Let me do it. I got to stand up for it. All right. So I got to make a little bit of room. I feel like he is actually doing a dance right now. Yeah, I think so. All right. Okay. You can hear it. There you go. That's the Gwimbly dance. Like, you want to do that? Your foot's got to be back. Click, you can't. Look. You're even teaching you how to do it. You got to turn back the other way, like this. Then, whoa, just to give them, you got to stick that out right there. And then you spin. Then, oh, you wrap up right there, right where you started. It's not there. Then there you go. That's it. Good stuff. I'm going to give that a six. I've seen better, I think. Yeah, it's really good. You've probably seen it before. You just didn't know that was what it actually was. I think it was a really consumable way to later to do it, which a lot of people do need. I've got a thick rug back there. So you couldn't hear the tapping, but you'd see it. I think that was a good Gwimbly dance, I do think. Yeah, it matches up with the way your hands move, which is really the key. This is a message to my future self. You better finish your outline by the time you read this. Also, hi rags. Hello. Well, I hope you finished your outline. Good luck. But don't punish yourself too hard if you haven't. Okay, genius takes time. Shilling for the spiritualism seance meter. Well, thank you very much. Oh, yeah, yeah. Seances don't come cheap. I've hardly seen any marketing for this movie. I'll have to check it out. Well, just after you Dumbos, check out DDLC. I mean, I do recommend it, but honestly, like I said, I only was like, I'll watch it in the background while I'm doing work just so that I get an idea of what they're up to. Because the fact that it was like a Halloweeny one. I was like, that could, I like my Halloweeny stuff. Like I said, it earned my attention the more it's going on. I was like, oh, okay, okay. You're not being cringe. All right, neat. I don't think I would have heard of this if Mueller hadn't suggested that we watch it. And I'm glad he did because I saw it. It was in front of a movie. I forget which one it was, but at the theater and before the movie was an ad for death on the Nile. But I never saw one for this. So who knows? I'm trying to remember how I knew this existed because yeah, I don't feel like I was marketed about it at all. But maybe it was something somewhere at some point that got me to be aware of it. What's you guys' opinion on the Pirates to the Caribbean trilogy? Aren't there, are there more than trilogy? Aren't there like four? Five. I got such a classic one for a while. Geez, show us what I know. I like the first one a lot. Yeah, first one's great. As far as I'm concerned, it goes really good, good, bad, really bad. Yeah. What's weird is that not only can I not remember how many there are, but I only remember the first one and I think I've seen all five. But after the first one, they in my mind have just been like, they've been blenderized. Kind of like all the Transformers movies. I remember the set paces, you know, fairly well. Oh yeah. Yeah, some of the things I remember. Well done. Pirates to the Caribbean, the mummy and like hot fuzz would be like three of my top vote funnest movies of all time. Probably they just fun. Everything's so much fun in them. Are they still doing that all female reboot? Or I think they're doing a reboot of some kind, but I'm not sure like the nature of it. I'm certainly hoping that they go through with it because boy, I sure have a lot of money. I think. Yeah. It's time for women pirates. It I agree. I adopted a bird and named it Fringold. Though it doesn't have a goo obsession. Oh, well, also rags. Am I? What would you recommend for first AR 15? Oh, I don't know the brands really well or anything. I mean, just your standard kind of AR 15 is the way to go. There's a few things I would recommend, though. I would recommend that you get one that has a rail on top, not one that has a fixed like fixed carry handle sites and a fixed front post. So that later on down the road, if you want to put on a scope or a red dot, you have that option. It's something that I highly recommend that people go for so that if you find that you're really getting into the hobby and you really like that gun in particular, though putting a scope or a red dot on the gun, it changes a lot, particularly a scope with what you can do with it. Now it feels to shoot and how far you can go. So set yourself up for success. Also, you don't have to pay a lot of money for a good AR 15. AR 15s are very cheap. We've had them for a long time. They're everywhere. You don't have to spend a lot of money, so you don't have to break the bank thinking like, oh, I got to spend a lot of money to get a really good one. It's like, no, no, it's an AR 15. You'll be fine. You can buy a cheap one. It'll be just fine. If you're just, especially if you're just starting off getting into shooting, I highly doubt that the MOA accuracy of the gun is going to matter to you. It's going to be more you than anything else. But yeah, go for that is what I would recommend probably more than anything right now at least. So there you go. Oh, also it's important. Make sure you know the difference between 556 and 223 because you can put one in the other, but not the other in the other. So make sure you know when you buy that you're buying a specific one and that you don't put the wrong one because one's interchangeable and one's not. So just know that. So there you go. I've got to say the Pokedex entries you read aren't always accurate. The entries are submitted by the children who own the devices, so they are more hearsay than hard facts. Unreliable narratisms. Listen, if a Pokemon is listed as possibly being able to eat my soul and it was a troll by a kid, I'm still not going anywhere near that Pokemon. Yeah. And I get these from a pretty good site, but I guess it's, you know, I think they mean in universe they're submitted by the children who have devices, unless they mean it can actually be updated by kids on the websites, in which case, yeah, that makes them useless a little bit. I feel like it would be a big element not to allow bizarre misinformation about Pokemon like that to persist in the world. And you wouldn't want to have like a children's story about how it steals your soul to be the like defining numero uno fact about it on the Pokedex, you know. It's like, what kind of weird are science? It's like the professor says, hey, go out and discover everything about the world. This is going to be our authoritative guide, child, how the world works later. So don't make shit up. And then Astros goes and just make shit up. And that's just how science now works in Pokemon. Is that really? That doesn't seem believable. I got a lot of things about that. Yeah, it's I feel like the Pokemon universe started out as a fun little idea for kids and it had its games and its cards. And then yet there wasn't a lot of planning ahead in terms of how does this world actually function? It just kind of goes as it goes and goes as it goes. And that's just, you know, that's just kind of it. And I don't know. In a way, it's just kind of funky. And there you go. It's just a funky world, the funky nightmare realm Pokemon world is. Finally, Cat 3. And one of these live for once. Thanks for always giving me excellent content to listen to while I work. YouTube platoon. Oh, yeah. Glad you enjoy it. You bet. Absolutely. Sushi's Poirot evolves through the season. It starts as a cozy who done it. The final stories are dark and challenging and the OG actors nailed the tone shift. A good example of modern audience adaptations. All right. I'd be interested to check out maybe some of what I considered the best episodes of the show. Yeah, I'd like to do that. Bunny, how what we discuss as writing refers to more than what's written on the script. Improv, directing choices, etc. It all adds to the story. That is true. We do often try to talk about some more things outside of it, including performance. But we usually try and contextualize it as like how it's assisting the story, as opposed to simply a flare of the dramatic or some kind of, you know, element that we just think is kind of neat that they did. We usually try and talk about why it's assisting whatever storytelling choice they're going for. The Dutch Angles, for example, like I said, some people have complained about them. But I feel like there's a lot of purpose to them in this story to make you feel off-center uneased whenever we're in the spookier parts of the atmosphere of the film. You know, and that's not in the script. Well, I guess it could be in the script as a note, but it's not. All right. Like a script and writing is often used kind of as a bit of an umbrella, catch all term for, you know, the creative decisions of the movie, visual and aural and spiritual. Does that mean it could just have been a really happy accident that he uses the Dutch Angles all the time? And it just so happens that in this film they make sense, but in the next one they won't. Yeah, so I think it is something he does deliberately. I remember in the Thor people talked about how the Dutch Angles were times where Thor was confused or when Thor was, you know, not, like, I'd have to re-watch it to give a better assessment of this. But Branagh definitely likes Dutch Angles and that's OK. I think that they have a lot of use. Yeah. I do think, though, that if Ariadne was the one who directed the film, they wouldn't be Dutch Angles. They'd be Finnish Angles. That's one for the real fans. Funny. Oh, wait, that's the one I read. At Little Platoon, I can't believe you spoiled the end of Poirot. You bastard. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. Oh, actually, yeah. You did actually just do that. You did spoil one of the wrongest. It was in the back of my mind as I was saying it and I thought, no, no one's going to care. But now I realize I've just ruined, like, 15 years worth of television show has just gone down a drain because I spilled it all over. If I had a time machine, then I would probably wouldn't spend it fixing blunders like that in podcasts. I'd probably be like, I don't know. I'd probably be doing some other stuff. Hey, lads, a warning. During the Tribulation, don't take the Mark of the Beast, which will likely be a chip. If you do, you'll go straight to hell when you die. Uh-oh. A microchip? Yeah, I've heard that the Mark of the Beast could be. It's like barcodes. You know that thing where a lot of like crazy fundamentalist Christian types think that stuff like barcodes and everything are marks of the beast? What about if it's like a donut? Stuff like that. Then I need it. Um, a donut? Like the Mark of the Beast is like a circle? Like a thick circle? No, like a donut. You eat because it's tasty. Oh, I think it depends on how you may be paid for the item and how your currency is being tracked in the transactional process. What if it's like Ned Flanders goes to the donut? Ned Flanders devil that offers it to you. If a devil offers you something, you should be wary. The problem is how do you distinguish the angels from the devils? That's the thing. I do recall it as a question post. Matt Dillahoney would ask it of Christian sometimes and conversations is he would ask, how are you so sure that God is the good one and Satan is the evil one? Because we never really get their perspective or their say on things. Yeah, when's the devil going to release his book? Telling you, man. Bible Reloaded. Oh, wait, that was a show, wasn't it? Long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. That's right. I'm gonna grab a drink. I'll be right back. Hey, guys, thanks for all the content and keep up the good work. Well, thank you. And I'm sure we shout. The devil Bible. Was there a, that's probably in binding of Isaac, right? There's gotta be. This one just says whoop whoop. What am I to do with this? Crazy. My favorite jump scare is in Castaway. Tom Hanks peeling his bandaid and suddenly the plane flip sideways, plummeting fast. The suddenness serves a greater purpose. Isn't just two seconds of nonsense. Man, I haven't seen Castaway forever. Yeah, likewise. It's been a long time. My memory's wiped of that film. I should see it again someday. I remember being neat. Who doesn't love Wilson? Best character. That was the bull, right? Yeah, well, I said best character, so I figured, yeah. And this one says major look. Truly, you got me. Uh, I'm always loving your steamages. Steamages? Steamages? I'm playing Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. Love it, but would love a Lord of the Rings Two Towers PS2 single or metal two player Return of the King. Do it, please. I did a full playthrough of Two Towers and Return of the King on Super Chat catch ups, like a year or two years ago. They're in there somewhere. I don't know which one it's in, but I did, I did play through all of it. Just like I played through like a shit to the Lego games. Remember that era? I think I was just playing through loads of GameCube games. I do remember that era. Yes, a lot of, uh, a lot of double dash. Yes. Random Film Talks video and arcane is amazing, even more in depth than the arcane coverage. If you have seven hours, you should give it a watch. Hearing is take on Huma, Duba, raise it to an 8.5, from an 8.5 to a nine. Huma, Duba. I think all that might be referencing. But yes, um, Random Film Talks video on arcane. I've not seen it yet. I think I watched the first hour, I want to say, but, um, I have to get around to it at some point. Have you seen it, Rags? I've not seen them yet. Wow. You know who Huma, Duba is? That's right. Huma, Duba? No. Okay. All right. Well, uh, best jumpscare for me was RE2, and just opened the door, and I see Mr. Rags about 20 feet away from me, and he turns, sees me, and starts chasing. Yeah, that could work. That's spooky. Especially, I always think stuff like that works better without music. Yeah, because it's just the, the disconcerting with the silence rather than meeting the big musical cue to shock you. Yeah. If it's a really good jumpscare, I'll provide all the sound effects. Okay. That's right. Uh, I like when Fringy says point being, my late best friend said it in a mocking way that sounded like the monarch. Now I say it when the frog says it. Oh, what? Yeah. Venture bros the monarch. Right. It just happens. There's a, a, a turn of phrase that gets in my brain for like a couple of months, and then it'll get replaced with something else once I start to notice I do it too much. It's good to have cycles. Yeah. It's good to have cycles. Yeah. I don't know. It'd be good to just not have a thing that I always say. Like. Nothing wrong with that. I'm going for a little bit. Yeah. It's okay to have verbal mannerisms. You know? Yeah, I suppose. A Super Mario sequel already has a release date, and that can't bode well for quality. How would you have write Mario 2 as an excellent yet faithful film? Uh, isn't it coming out like two years from now? Yeah. And I imagine they plug in a hell of a lot of effort into it. Three years removed. Right. Two came out three years before, three years after, rather the first track. So, you know, Going forward with these big franchises, we are doing so in a post, quote unquote, Disney collapse. So I wonder if that will color a lot of things going forward for these big IPs. My. Yeah. Because it very well might. Yeah, I certainly hope it does. I hope that all these big companies, big projects do so in an environment where they're like, oh, shit, you know, I remember when Disney, you know, was king of the world and they had everything going great and look at them now. We need to avoid the mistakes they did. Yeah. Well, what would your broad story be for Mario 2? I think that. Yeah, I guess broad. I don't know about broad story stuff because the story can be all sorts of things, I guess. I don't actually know. That matters. I'm trying to go to it. Yeah, do it. Go to a place and have all the references or have that be a spin off TV show on Nintendo plus. Oh, you might. Nintendo plus. Here you go. I can't handle more. I can't handle anymore. Yeah, I don't know. The I don't know that you're going to be like, when you say like a faithful or Mario Mario movie, you know, because the first one hasn't exactly like copied its basic plot from any particular game. Nor should it necessarily do that. It's complicated to have the perfect Mario film. We'll give it a shot. Like we said, the Mario film was better than I thought it was going to be awful. So I was like, oh, it's not highly cringe. OK, you know. Yeah, I quite liked it. I thought it was a fun movie. I enjoyed it. I smiled a lot and I actually laughed it. We discussed it with little platoon actually, right? Good. That's right. And Tetris and 65. Oh, you're right. I remember that episode. It's the only way I remember 65 exists is because it always comes up in relation to the other two. He's always a good sign for the film. No one remembers 65. Yeah. Adam Driver doesn't remember 65. If he was like, he'll see that. He'll see a poster for it or something. It'll be like, was it me? Yeah, I did that. I did that. Oh, is that? I think he slaps himself. He's like, am I awake? It is a crazy dream. Oy moly, I've returned from Shangri-La where I was enlightened to the wonder that is Iron Man 3. Time for your unbridled praise to spread the word. Maybe someday though, I'll make the video talking about how it's awful because it does come up around so often. You'll be like, you know, I have the throughs actually really good. It's like, no. No. Yeah, it does. Doesn't it? It's like, it's what it's almost like when people try to create the new narrative for something that has already been decided. It's like, you know what? The Marvels was actually, it's pretty good. Everybody skipped it. It's like, shut up. You're a liar. Shut the fuck up. You're a liar. You're trying to trick us. Liar. Anyone watched Inner Worlds 2011? I love it. That sounds familiar, but no, I haven't seen it. I do not know of this Inner World. I think it's about that actually, funnily enough. But yeah, I'm not familiar, unfortunately. Fringy's Homeland has a lot of haunting true crime stories, like the backpack of murders in Belanglo? Belanglo? Is that right? Belanglo. I don't know. There's towns I haven't heard of in this country. And the Beaumont children in Adelaide. This stuff scares me more than any movie. Beaumont children in Adelaide. I mean, there's lots of scary, like, you know, true crime things all around the world. Didn't Australia once lose one of its prime ministers because he went walking on a beach and just disappeared? Yeah, Howard Malt. He went for a swim and never came back. That was the one. So yeah, Howard Malt. The creator of Yu-Gi-Oh, yeah. What's the creator? What's the story with the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh? I believe that was recently. It was like the last, I think it was two years ago or so. Kazuki Takahashi. I believe his name was the creator of Yu-Gi-Oh. I think he tragically drowned when he went swimming. You know, he went to the Shadow Realm. That's how this works. He didn't die. That's right, that's right. Well, the thing with Howard Malt is that he disappeared. It's not actually confirmed. I mean, obviously he's dead, but like it wasn't, like he just disappeared. He went for a swim and he disappeared. He never came back. Addendum to what I said that I forgot about. Chat was reminding me. He was trying to save someone. I think he's trying to save a kid from drowning. And made an attempt and he drowned trying to save a kid. So quite a tragedy. Yeah, sounds it. He could save others from death. I can't read the next one because of the tone. He ran out of life points. There's the correct reference you need to make. I'm going to read a different one first. Women need to take rags as Hippocratic Oath. I'm not sure what that means, but yeah, okay. Hello, Yves Epis. The venue have you seen letters from Iwo Jima and flags from our fathers? If so, what are your thoughts? I think they're criminally underrated and deserve praise. High rags. Hello. I have not seen those. Iwo Jima, when that coin ace was directed that, didn't he? I think I saw that when I was super young. It would have been when my dad showed me, but I can't remember it. Well, if he directed it, I bet it's really good. I mean, he's pretty reliable, though I haven't seen all of his. He's really reliable. His films. Did you check out Mystic River yet for me? No, not yet. I hadn't seen that before. It's that film's ending without saying anything is so controversial. The amount of discussion on it, I checked out. It's insane. So many people either fall in line with it, feel 50-50 on it or absolutely hate it. Like they'll have this just everywhere. It's kind of interesting to think about. It is absolutely an ending that when you watch it, you'll be like, oh, shit, this would have caused all kinds of fucking problems. Rags. My cousin used to suck in air with his anus. One time, my dad walked in as he was ripping out a loud one. He said nothing and slowly backed away as he shut the door. The correct response. Yeah. Sometimes you just... Yeah. You know? Yeah. You gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and when to run as the old lyrics go. I like that song. Disney Star Wars is like poetry. It's cringe. I am dyslexic Michael Douglas actor. I thought they were gonna go, it's like poetry. It's cringe. It's like, okay. Sometimes. By the way, if it doesn't rhyme, it's not a poem and fuck off. All right? You're just talking. It's scary. No, if it's not metrical, it's not a poem. You can have like... No, if it's not. If it's not, if it ain't rhyming, then get that. Fuck out. He's fucking nerds, man. Just what is it? Like five syllables? Five, seven, five. Yeah. But it doesn't match at all. High cues are, high cues are cute. Now, if you ain't rhyming, you found your way in here, you can find your way back out, okay? Hi. Any of y'all seen Gummo? Very odd, or Gummo, very odd movie. No. Made less than one out of 10. It's budget back. I wonder what you'd think of it, though. I don't know anything about Gummo. I don't know who is Gummo. Who is Gummo? That's a good documentary title. Or is it Gummo? Gummo? Gummo or Gummo, I don't know. Who Gummo? He is an animal that I didn't wish I knew existed. The tongue-eating louse replaces a fish's tongue with itself. Some parasites, man. I know that one, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, same these, yeah. It's fucking horrifying. We could do without, we could not, we could not have those, you know? Yeah, when they came up with that, it was like, actually we're scrapping this one. God's like, no, no, no, no. I worked really hard. He's like, no, we're scrapping this one. We're not putting this in. They don't need this. Yeah, they're like, what are we doing with the unicorns? He's like, not doing it. No, I just, nah, we've already got horses. There's a glitch where they can fly. That's just not, like, it's not wish. Yeah, yeah, apparently only virgins can see them and that's going to be awkward sometimes, so. Hi rags. Oh, that would be, if unicorns were actually a thing and only virgins could see them, you could, like, if you passed by a farm that was like a unicorn ranch, right, a unicorn ranch, and if you were a virgin so you could see them, you could, no, how would you trick someone? You'd say, oh yeah, you could just point to an empty field and be like, oh, it's a unicorn ranch. And just look at the other person and see if they'd call you out on it or not. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. But wouldn't they know in that culture to never react to anything that could be construed as a unicorn? Maybe, but what they would also do is they could use that as an objective line, a standard for what does and does not constitute losing virginity. Like, if you, if you have, if you- Oh, you know what, rags. If you would back constitute. Put a fake horn on a horse, they'd be like, you can't see that. Oh, yeah. And then if they go, I can't see that. You'd be like, oh, why are you lying, bro? Oh, that guy would be called Gumo. And he would have been screwed up. Gumo. Oh, there is Gumo. Hurry up, Gumo. He's, oh, he's a trickster, that Gumo. Hi rags, what makes a good doggo? Um, often really, first off, hello, but what makes a good doggo is often what makes a good person. You need to have, you know, good solid moral foundations. You need to be honest and you need to be, you know, uphold the, you know, pillars of kindness and responsibility. You shouldn't be selfish. You should look out for the people when you can. You should consider what your talents are and how to use them well, how to make the world a better place. You know, a lot of the stuff that you'd expect makes a good person, makes a good doggo. Pissing on things to monkey territory. That's true. I know many people who do that and all of them are good. A lot of them are alcoholics, but, you know, just because you got your issues doesn't mean you're a bad person. I would go so far as to say this movie is better than the book it was loosely based on. Halloween Party is one of Agatha Christie's weakest novels, IMO. Interesting. Well, I haven't read the book, but I really like the movie, so that's a solid maybe. Interesting. Monkey Man is the Indian John Wick 4, aka real shit. I've seen people mentioning Monkey Man, so film is coming out. I think a star jump has come out, so I'll make sure some watching it. I mean, eventually, hopefully not too long, we'll get Extraction 3, right? At some point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I'll be excited to see that. If reality is anything to go by, it's probably going to get more and more silly. It's unfortunate. That's just how it goes. Yeah, luckily they haven't jumped the shark. The transition from Extraction 1 to Extraction 2 felt like, all right, we are, things are ramping up, but we're not, it's not crazy yet. So, by the way, I'd recommend both Extraction 1 and Extraction 2. As would I. Good action movies. I would recommend them. Sorry to go back to Pokemon, but I must know your thoughts on the wonderful boy that is Sveil. Sveil? Sveil, Sveil. Sveil? S-P-H-E-A-L. If you want to go have a look at that. Is that the seal thing that just, it's like a beach ball, but it has like a seal's tail? I think that sounds weird. Oh, yeah, let me get you a picture. I got a picture of him here. Beautiful. Yeah, I'll get you a picture of all the seals. Isn't there a Gen Bon Bon, which looks like a seal and its name is Just Seal? You kind of ran out of ideas for that one, didn't you? It's Dugong and... Oh yeah, look at him. I like him, yeah. I like him a lot. I'm a big fan. Look, he's a bowl. Oh yeah, yeah, seal. S-E-E-L evolves into Dugong. I like it. I like seal. I like him. I like him a lot. I like, no, sorry, Sveil. I like Sveil. I like it. Yeah, I like him. Look at him. I mean, what else did I just say? He's a cute lad. Looks like he's having fun. I got to look up his Pokedex entry though. Uh, Pokedex. I bet it's... I bet he doesn't kidnap any children's souls in the forest. Probably not. That doesn't seem like him. That doesn't seem like him. But it's always the ones you least expect. That's the rule. I mean, he's got vampire teeth, so he must be a predator of some sort. Also, his eyes are facing forward. Um, let's see. That's a cute observation. Sveil is much faster rolling than walking to get around. Okay. When groups of this Pokémon eat, they all clap at once to show their pleasure. Because of this, their mealtimes are noisy. All right. Yeah, I really like it. There tends to be a general consistency on them rolling and clapping their fins when they are happy. And they finish with high to all of you lads, and good job on waking up so early, Fringy, with a little love heart. Yeah. Yeah, Fringy. What time in the morning do you wake up for eFap? Well, the clocks have just changed again, so really early. Back to pain. Very, very early. Very early. Too early, one might say. By the way, Fringy, LEGO released a BTAS set. Pretty neat building it now. Play Prey 2017. Yeah, one day. All right. I'm still upset about Prey too. That's Batman the Animated Series BTAS, right? But also, yes, Play Prey. It is legitimately very good. It is legitimately very good. The Luthan Jedi theory is flawed because it forgets Skeen's line, Sky kyber, look at it glow, appealing to the group, not just Jedi, no kyber. Hi, rags. Hello. Well, I think the theory was tied to the fact that it's his crystal. Fringy, maybe you can help me out on that, because I can't quite remember, but doesn't he give a crystal to Andor? It's his, like good luck or some shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. He gives him like a kyber crystal that he has attached to a necklace that he can hold on to as kind of like his insurance. That's worth a lot of money, so hold on to that. And then when you finish the job and you get paid, I want that back. There is a theory from Rich Evans of Red Letter Media, because he enjoyed Luthan so much, he's very concerned that Disney will ruin him by making him a Jedi, that he was a secret Jedi the whole time. I don't think they will. And his evidence was the kyber crystal and the fact that he holds that stick in a couple of shots that kind of look light-sabery and he worries that that's the setup, because Disney are awful. I mean, Disney are awful, but it is the Andor writers who managed to make something real. Well, what I said was first, I hope not, but secondly, even if he is a secret Jedi, that doesn't ruin him. That is also my opinion. I think that if he is a Jedi, I have enough confidence in Tony Gilroy and the writers and his process that he knew this from the beginning and it's going to be for a purpose. So even if I'm happy to never see another Jedi again, however, I know Acolyte's coming out, so well, life is disappointment. Oh, well, there's an interesting bit of news, isn't it, that Bo Williman, who was one of the writers on Andor, is going to be writing the James Mangold Jedi origin story film. Do you like how it was like said in that post that the guy wrote... And he wrote, yeah. He wrote that. He wrote it in a five-hour prison arc. Yeah, one way out and Luther's speech. Like, I love how universally known it is that those are just well-written. It's just, that's what that is. It's really cool. It's the kind of thing where you hear that news and you're like, oh, okay. Like a movie that I had no interest in at all has now become a movie that I'm looking at like, huh, okay. I mean, that's a really good idea. They should be, if they're smart, they should be offering those guys more jobs. The writing team, the directors, they should be offering them more work, find ways to get them stuff to do. Yes. The Star Wars. Yes. Years. Yeah. Rags' cousin used dead cockroach. I don't know what that means. Just a reference, maybe? I can't remember, I'm so sorry. Maybe, but I, yeah, it eludes me. Hey guys, is there any good recently released horror movie around? I'm starving for good horror. I think we all are. Just saw there was a pet cemetery sequel out. Bloodline, is that any good? Well, I haven't seen it, but... I don't know. Good new horror movies. That is a tough category. Um, good horror movies. It's not a genre. I peruse, really. Yeah, yeah. Trying to think. I mean, this isn't exactly a, you know, haunting event. It's not a horror movie. It's got some spooky in it. Yeah, yeah. It's got some spook in there. So maybe that'll tide you over. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I just don't know. Um, what's your favorite Pokemon and ideal team also? Hi, Rags. My favorite, hello. My favorite Pokemon is Meowth. Um, I don't know about ideal team. It'd be stuff like, you know, Venus or, you know, the, uh, Niddo King or Niddo Queen. I've always liked them. They're cool. Um, Rhyhorn's really cool. I like, um, I, I'm mostly familiar with the Gen 1 Pokemon. I like Alakazam. I want a good, oh yeah. He wouldn't, he'd be like, he'd just be like my sidekick. He wouldn't be on like the team of six that fights and everything. He wouldn't let him fight. He wouldn't take care of him. Yeah, yeah. It's not that I don't love all of them equally. It's just, I love him the most equal of all of the Pokemon. Yeah, of course. Um, I like, yeah, something like an Alakazam, a psychic kind of Pokemon. Out of horror. I probably want to, yeah, like a Gengar, something like that. Haunter is really cool though. I remember when I was young, there was a Pokemon manga, I think, and it was, it was like, uh, about a Haunter who was like a Super Haunter and he'd like eat people's dreams and shit in their sleep and it would like eat their souls and stuff. Um, and it was really cool. Uh, there was some, some neat, uh, little old comics way back in the day where Ash was, you know, doing Pokemon stuff. So that was neat. Um, I would, yeah, there's a lot of Pokemon I like. Arcanine is really cool. Um, I really like, oh, oh, what is, um, Dragonite is really neat. Gyarados, I've always really thought was super cool. The big mystical sea serpent kind of, you know, guy. But, you know, like that. Uh, I like it. I really like Squirtle. Squirtle is great. I don't think if, if I was in the Pokemon world, I wouldn't fight Pokemon. I, they'd just be my pals and we'd hang out. Yeah, exactly. You know, I'd just be, have a, have a good time taking care of them. Yeah, of course. Or maybe I, I mean, actually, I think we talked about this. If this was the Pokemon world, I think I'd just have this podcast with my friends where we talk about movies and stuff is probably what I would do in the Pokemon world. The fact that there was Pokemon in the world wouldn't actually change, that this is what I want to do and what I enjoy. We would just have to have a sarcastic sassy Meowth as a co-host. It wasn't, uh, uh, there was a game, wasn't there? When Pika, it's basically like Pikachu just watches Pokemon related TV. Pokemon TV. Yeah, it was called Pokemon Channel. It was on GameCants. That's the one. Yeah, they had a, they had a news show on there where it was, it was a Psyduck and he would read the news and he'd be like, Psyduck, Psyduck. And then it would like show the, the news on the, you know, like the little square of like, ah, here's the news story. And I think he wore a suit. I think Psyduck wore a suit. I'm a big fan of Psyduck as well. He's one of my favorite Pokemon. Pokemon Channel Psyduck. Yeah, he had a tie. Looks like he's wearing a tie here. He's got a little blue tie on. He did PNF, Pokemon News. I remember there was, um, there was a, there was like a shopping channel. You remember the, you know, like those shopping channels where they'd be like, oh, this is a, this is a beautiful necklace here and it's available for like 20 bucks. Oh yeah, those. I mean, something, they have that. Is that a thing? That's one of the things I can't imagine that people actually watch. Well, South Park made jokes about it. It was for the, the Cash for Gold like episode where it was about all the people watching that and then Stan calling into his kid. There's a swimming school named after Harold Holt because we here in Australia think we're funny. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a meme, um, which is, you know, so there's a tragedy. A man like went out for swimming and died, but people still make jokes about it. Well, don't worry, Fringy. He could have died on the way there or been murdered on the way back. You know, it's just one of those bizarre instances of like the leader of the country just disappeared. That's crazy. That's wild. It is crazy. Nowadays, you expect them to be watched 24 seven constantly with like security personnel. I can actually imagine, um, like, like if the president goes to the beach, he just has people in full suits and sunglasses on the beach there with them, like running the chase after him as he's running around. Well, I could just imagine like Joe Biden plays golf, right? Like if he was playing golf and then like a tree branch started to fall down, that the secret service guys would whip out like a rocket launcher and blow it up. I think they tackle him out of the way. They just turns to dust. So they're just like, oh, I just like the idea of, uh, I actually, in my head, I was like, is it funnier if it's a rocket launcher if they just fire so many bullets at the tree branch that it disintegrates into nothing? It's funny with the bullets, I think. Yeah, but you're right. I'll pull out your pistols. It's a disaster. They just shoot everything, regardless of context. Uh, boop, boop, boop. I can haiku, dude. Barely an inconvenience. I just did that shit. You see what he did there? He just made a haiku. That was pretty cool. That is cool. That's really, that's really clever. Most of the time, people say that they were introduced to the little platoon via Mola, but it was actually the opposite for me. Thanks to platoon, I now know Mola, Noderotic, and Drinker, and I believe I am for it. Cheers. Hooray. The wonderful circle of life where we share each other's fleams and then everyone gets splashed with fleam juice. Thoughts on the, it's supposed to be, slash always has been silly, slash dumb, you're wrong to compare it to minus one argument about the Godzilla franchise, RE, Godzilla, X, Kong. I was actually speaking to Platoon about this. What they think is happening is a bunch of new fans are coming into their culture without realizing the history of it. But what's actually happening is that they, as a mini culture of movies, is entering a huge, well-established culture of we laugh at the shit movies while calling them shit movies. They don't get the pass because you really, really like meaming with them. In the same way that the room, no matter how much people love it, they'll shit, okay? Like, that's just as long as we're clear on this. Like, I'm more than happy to join with the Godzilla fans in laughing. But if you remember, we went through this with King of the Monsters, people were like, you fools, you don't even know what you're talking about. It's like, it's a shit movie. It is a really bad movie. It sucks, though. It sucks. I don't care if you've got a history of saying they're not shit. They're still shit. And then I've seen notions like, you can't say that we can't love this. It's like, go ahead and love it. I don't care if you love it. That's not the point. I'm just talking about how like, because I know the movie cynic has received quite a bit of heat for saying that Godzilla X Kong or whatever the fuck it's called is bad, which is funny because it's so much worse than King of the Monsters and we got a bunch of shit for saying that was bad back in the day. And the Godzilla fans are especially annoyed because people are comparing to minus one and actually very well rid of Godzilla movies. Well, it's really, it's been fascinating to watch because I keep bringing it up, but it blows my mind that like, I distinctly remember when King of the Monsters came out that people said that that was what they wanted a Godzilla film to be. And then, you know, Godzilla minus one comes out and then that gets pointed to as what a Godzilla film should be, which I think is more apt, obviously. But like, this is erect, like they are fundamentally contradictory as being like what Godzilla should be. One of them's a story. The other one was, no, we don't want a story. We want the big, big lizard to fight the monsters. That's what we wanted to see. I think on any look and go of anyway. That's like 15% of the film is the monsters fighting. The rest of it's the shooting shows. I'm actually doing a video on it because like I'm a sadomasochist and I like bullying bad films and I like being hated for it. But equally it's kind of erotic. So like I'm doing a Godzilla X comedy and making the point specifically that I'm deliberately not going to compare this to minus one because I don't want to have to deal with people saying, oh, you can't compare the films. No, it's bullying. It's too much bullying to compare minus one to Godzilla X Kong. But like you don't need to compare it with a really, really good particular type of film to be able to say that just on every conceivable metric this is a terrible movie. It's just shit. And if you love the thing, you should probably demand that it's better. Like no one would suffer if you made this thing not shit. I don't really understand why so many people are so very angry about it. That's the really big like almost lie that's getting told. The idea that we can't maintain the fun of monster fights while also making it good. That's not possible. That's alright. Those two are at odds with each other. The only kind of Godzilla film is like one of the worst Transformers films. Exactly this. Transformers fans like who really enjoyed the Michael Bay Transformers will probably feel the same way when they hit like the eighth fucking one where they were like, I love the good Fast and the Furious is going to go through this all the time too. Like people coming in being like, good God, what a terribly constructed movie. They'll be like, no, it's fun. You're not, why are you treating this like this? It's fun. Okay. Stop, stop being a dick to the movie. The movie is not, I think another notion is like, you're saying they shouldn't exist this way when I love them. And it's like, well, they could be so much better. Why are you so upset about this? There's no reason why you can't have the film that has the big lizard fight but also has characters. Absolutely. It's entirely possible. You could have better films and you would be happier and we would be happier and everybody would be happier. Yeah, like if they say, it's like, no, what I love is watching Thanos Gauntlet, big spiny like swords flying through the air. Everything is absolutely absurd. I love that. It's like, we can still do that better. Still. But you know, it's very hard to do the Thanos Gauntlet worse than the way they did it in that film. I mean, that's some absolutely special nonsense that goes on there. But yeah, you can write the Thanos Gauntlet into the film in any number of ways but just having a guy say, oh, by the way, we happen to have it in the shed. Like, that's not how this is supposed to work. The biggest impression I've gotten from reading about all of this is Godzilla fans are upset that people are making fun of their shit. And it's like, your shit is just as stinky as everyone else's. Just because you got Godzilla on it doesn't mean it's immune to criticism. That ain't happening. Yeah, I like the big lizard but I also like Optimus Prime and shit. That's definitely. Exactly, yeah. There are things I like in the Bayformers movies. Maybe. Yeah, there are. Well, I would, I mean, I think that the first Transformers movie is probably going to be holding up better than all of these new Godzilla, obviously. Remember, Godzilla minus one is not included in that selection. But like, we haven't seen Godzilla Kong yet, but it's probably like shit. It probably is. We're saving it all for naught. We're going to go through it again. We're going to go through them and we're going to tell you exactly how we feel Godzilla fans. Get ready. I don't know. I just, it's, I think something that's become really lame now is it's almost like once the meta sets in enough, it like readjusts the way that the film will be appraised to where, you know, your mainstream critics will like be more kind to it because it's accepted that it's going to be a piece of shit. So as long as it's like got a fun action scene, it's what happened to John Wick, where John Wick gets rated very favourably. It gets rated as being excellent, not just, yeah, it's stupid, but it's got fun action. It gets rated like as a very quality action film. Obviously again, two, three, four, not one. One is actually a quality action film. That's actually another great example. It'll be like, you know, John Wick, two, three, four, they're incredible. And it's like, no, they're actually dumb as fuck. It's like, yeah, dumb as fucking awesome. You know, it was like, it was John Wick one that was really cool and had cool action scenes, but was also like a story. This Jurassic World versus Jurassic Park again. Yeah. I mean, the same thing happens. You criticize Jurassic World Dominion and they say, no, it's fine. It's a blockbuster. So it's not going to be good. The fact that it's not going to be good. My kids really enjoy it. I say, why the fuck are you taking your kids to see that? I don't know what's happened. You're a responsible parent. Watch the original Jurassic Park. That's a really good film. Oh, yeah. It's available. Just go check it out. You don't need to go spend a whole bunch of money to go to the movie to watch a shit movie when you go watch a good movie on streaming. Ask for better. Demand better. Anyway, EFAP of Metal Gear Solid 1 when? I don't know if that's ever going to happen again. I don't know about that. None of us are familiar really. I played five and I kind of liked it, but I don't understand the story, so. One of these days, I'd like to meet this apparent omniscient, potentially omnipotent wizard who keeps referencing in his hypotheticals. When we created the wizard, he was for a very specific purpose, and he's just stuck around in our hypotheticals. I love the wizard. I've explained that I view the wizard as wearing a blue coat and having like a blue hat. I don't know why. Does it kind of look like Pius in the community episode where they convince me he's the cookie wizard or whatever? He's got like the way that I view the wizard in my head is he's got the big, you know, like Mickey Mouse and Fantasia with the Sorcerer's Apprentice, like that big hat, but he's wearing a blue like coat, kind of like from Mario, except he's a person and he's got like a big white beard, a big long white beard, and a quaint happy little mustache, and he's a really helpful guy, the wizard. I agree like him. Please look up Project X-Ray. It's ridiculous. Familiar to you guys? No, I've never heard of this. Bat bombs were an experimental World War II weapon developed by the United States that consisted of a bomb-shaped casing with over a thousand compartments. What is this? This is the... Is it like a canister full of bats that fly out? Each of the thousand compartments contained a hibernating Mexican free-tail bat with a small timed incendiary bomb. What? Imagine being the guys whose job it was to assemble these. You have to get a thousand bats attached incendiary bombs to them, get them to hibernate, like read them bedtime stories, and then get them into the... This should have been like an Austin Powers... They should have had Dr. Evil do this, but never explained to the audience it's actually something to happen. Just have it be in the movie like that. Oh my goodness. Wow. How would that work? So they come out of the... I assume these bats are very confused. They jump out of this little canister compartment. They see all of their friends. They have this weird thing stuck to them that they, unfortunately, are not equipped to deal with in terms of its explosive consequences. What do they do? Do they fly into German caves? Wikipedia says they go nest in Japanese houses and then at some point at the predetermined time they just explode. That's actually horrific in the most ridiculous... Dude, listen to this. Conceived in 1942 by dental surgeon turned inventor Lithal S. Adams. The bat bomb was envisioned as a means to set fire to Japanese cities by exploiting bats. Bruce Wayne over here. Oh my goodness. That needs to be in an Austin Powers movie. They've got to do it. Yeah, a little bit. Anyway, it wasn't in Batwoman. It's a Batwoman level weapon, surely. Oh yeah, I mean, I'd put it in there. I mean, it's the thing. It depends on what you want to do. Cringe or Floney, or both. Bats all over Japan, randomly exploding into balls of flame. The Americans. Damn them. Then they're exploding bats. Um, quote, joy, quote, got into that home shopping network life. What's that a reference to? Who? Joy. That'd be the Blade Runner lady. She's called Joy. Well, she liked the channel where they talk about all of these, like, jewelry that you can get. She hosts it. Maybe. I don't know. That was the final super chat of the night, which leads us to the end of the stream. But before we go, little platoon, what are you up to, sir? Where can people find you? What's the newest with the newest of the newest? Newest with new? Yeah, it's probably going to be Godzilla X Kong. Just because. Why not? Get ready to piss off the whole Godzilla community. I just, yeah, just going to just prepare myself. Hopefully it'll be this week. So yeah, that'll be entertaining as I ignore my comment section entirely. And then it'll be back to the Dune video, because the introduction is done, but the introduction alone is about 90 minutes long. So this is going to, it's a long video. I don't know exactly when it's going to come out, but eventually it will come out. But yeah, that's pretty much it for where I am at the moment. Beautiful. Well, is there anything rags for any of you guys would like to mention? I don't think there is anything that I would like to mention. I think I think I've said enough today. Well, I mean, you know, just working, but I suppose probably worth noting that the EFAP TV episodes for Halo should start a. Not rolling out. Yeah, weekly soon, very soon. Yeah, we're figuring out the timeline on that. Next week's episode will be a Halo season two retrospective. I believe. But I believe we have. Halo. ER, Patricia and TV and John. Yes. And then, yeah, the Halo episodes will possibly follow that. It's going to be bizarre. So we're going to talk about the whole season and then we're going to show you our episodes, I guess. But there's nothing else we can do. And then following that, I guess, will be Rebel Moon or is that close enough to that? Well, there's Rebel Moon, but Fallout, I think starts this, well, that's the start. I think it all comes out this week. Because it's Amazon Prime. So I think all the episodes are out. Listen, EFAP chat, EFAP audience, we've not figured out exactly what we're covering, where, how, when and why. All right, we got to get move everything around, get everyone ready to do editing particular things. But work is being done. People are on stuff. You will receive things. The you got the Warhawk next installment coming, I think next week or the week after next week. So two weeks from now, which will be the three musketeers, the WS Anderson movie. That'll be exciting for you. And then, yeah, just, you know, there'll be a decent arc with the Halo stuff. Once that's all over and wrapped up, I think we'll be heading into, we'll be crossing over with Acolyte at that point. No, Acolyte is in June, so that's a little bit away from now. But Rebel Moon is a couple weeks from now. Yeah, Fallout, I think, is this week. There's probably something I've forgotten about as well. Like it's an upcoming thing. Plenty more on the way. Thank you all for, you know, hanging out. And we appreciate it very much. Thank you for hanging out, Mahler. It's really good to, you know, see you around. It's good that you're here talking to the people. Yeah. You know, it's really good. You know, it's really good stuff. Goes a long way. Oh, we had another message saying, made your look again, which you genuinely did. I did look. Oh, I did look. I did look at that. That's true. Wow. Do I want to click on that icon that they have? Or is that? Oh, God, it looks ghastly. Because I could tell. It is ghastly. That's going to be a spooky weird image by the little tiny preview image. So I like, I don't know if I want to look closer. But yes. Just before we go, I just carried on reading because I was very, very fascinated. Do you want to the pitch, the bat bomb guy's pitch for his idea is also contained in the Wikipedia article. Go for it. He says that the bat is the lowest form of animal life that until and until now reasons for its creation have remained unexplained. You went on to say that bats were, and I quote, created by God to await this hour to play their part in the scheme of free human existence and to frustrate any attempt of those who dare desecrate our way of life. And President Roosevelt responded, this man is not a nut. It sounds like a wild idea, but it's worth looking into. Government, isn't it great? You know what? It's man, it's not a nut. I tell you, if, if this worked really well, we might not have developed the atomic bombs. In an alternate branch of history, the bats destroyed imperial demand. That's me. He does. Our bats are great. They have no fucking purpose until this day. I feel like fascinating. There's no purpose for their creation. God made these bats. So America destroyed. Millions of years ago, God made bats. So that in 1942, they can finally shine. Gorgeous. You know what? I like it. Yes, it's. Hope you had a wonderful night, everybody. We shall see you next time. Do it, babe. That's right. See you later, everybody. Bye-bye. Also subscribe to the EFAP Highlights Channel. Goodbye. See ya. Doodle-loo.