 Hi Amy. Thanks for coming, at least your voice. And I can mark her as here, right? So I'll start with public comments since there's no public, we'll skip right to approval of the minutes and we can put that, let's, we won't do that this meeting. Any city updates? Just, I was just gonna talk about the Halloween event and just recap that. We brought the poster that we had at the meeting where we had people writing on stuff, so feel free to look at that, but that was the only update that I had on your city updates. Okay, so then let's get right to the draft bastard plan. I'll just turn it over to Regina at this point. I think the draft was sent out via a link to an FTP site, so it's a much cleaner version I think than the last draft you saw. It's pretty fairly well polished. There's a few just minor things I think that need to be cleaned up, but nothing of any significance that I saw, so I know Regina has a few things to add, but we'll go with that. Yeah, so there were a couple of things I was gonna walk us through, but I don't know, none of the things I was gonna walk us through needed to be decided or anything tonight. I was just gonna sort of give a few highlights so I can do that quickly, but essentially I think what we want to decide is whether this is ready to at least warn as a public hearing for December 13th, and essentially that does not mean we're saying we're 100% satisfied with this plan and sending it to city council. It simply means you're putting it out there for public comment, and all comments that you get at the public hearing we then essentially have another month to incorporate those into the plan before it goes off to city council. So there just to highlight a few things that are different since the last time you saw the plan. There's a decent section in there about river corridors which were not in there before. This is essentially something that the planning commission more than likely should think about once this plan is done because some emergency relief funds are sort of tied to this new concept of river corridors. Put some other natural resource information in there mostly to satisfy some planned requirements from a habitat wildlife perspective, and essentially what we're basically saying is the places that are important to Winnieski from a natural resources perspective is the riparian areas essentially along the river and the river itself and Gilbert natural area for for the most part in terms of a kind of natural space. We simplified the implementation program to really identify what gets done on an annual basis and really explain that the city will work on annual work programs to kind of get through the goals and decide exactly what what you want to do on an annual basis. We've just at the RPC yesterday reviewed Shelburne's plan and the committee that reviews plans was perfectly fine with that approach that Shelburne is using as well. So just so you folks know that. So there is precedent now for that type of implementation program that we're not we're not going through and identifying specific tasks and specific timelines and specific individuals or groups that would fulfill those obligations in the plan. We would do that as a separate kind of work plan for the planning commission that we can then update and amend as needed based on either the council priorities or planning priorities or just community priorities in general. Page 34 in your version that's the economic section that was really kind of reworked quite a bit so I think that gets hopefully it gets to a better place of what you folks were hoping to see in that section. Page 48 in your draft there's quite a bit more in the plan on energy and essentially what the city is already doing in terms of meeting energy reduction, energy use reduction, renewable energy generation and then just general what you're doing from sort of a transportation perspective which is a huge energy use in our sectors. So that stuff is there's a good summary in the plan itself and then the other PDF that you folks were sent is a whole appendix of energy data and information that we can include as an appendix of the plan. Can I ask you a quick question? Sure. Page 48 you've got the MG goals you've got reducing greenhouse gas by 50% from 1990 levels and by 75% from 1990 levels by 2050 should that be like 2000 instead of the first 1990 should it be 48? I wonder if it's a different page. No it should be 48 still. It isn't well it's 48 in my draft. Okay sorry so which bullet? The first bullet. This first one right here? Yeah. Reducing greenhouse gases by 50% from 1990 and 75% from 1990 levels. By 2050. I think oh maybe that yeah no by it says by 50% from 1990 then by 75% from 1990. So something's missing I think there's a date that's missing the 50% from 1990 should be by a date. By 2020 maybe. Yeah okay. Because 1990 is the baseline right? Yeah. We're reducing from so yeah. And then the ultimate goal is to reduce it by 75% by 2050. Maybe it was 2025. Yeah most of the goals are either 2025, 2035 or 2050 so it's got to be one of those. Awesome thanks for noticing that. Okay so we could probably we don't have enough folks here to really get into this but we really have two options on the energy front which is whether we want to go for the enhanced energy planning or you just want to go for the basic energy planning but we can talk about that next time because it's a little bit complicated and it not needed to be decided tonight. I think though we were discussing including the energy information as the appendix to the plan and not try to weave that data into the document directly because I think of some of the mapping that's required it may kind of it may construe because the mapping is related specifically to energy we don't want it to reflect that it's related to the entire plan necessarily. Yeah and there are so that other document that was in the FTP site is the energy appendix. It didn't have the maps associated with it so we will add those maps to it for the public here in draft so they'll just be out there for folks to review. Page 52 so Amy sorry you're not going to be able to physically see this but just wanted just wanted folks to see so Amy what I'm handing out is a sample of what Page 52 will evolve to so it's a sample of what the actual design layout of the final draft version of the plan will look like it uses the city's new branding format I guess colors fonts and all that kind of stuff because they are style guide for the new brand so we can also take some time again probably not super helpful tonight to think about this but any feedback thoughts on this this doesn't have to be the way it is but the colors and the fonts will probably stay relatively the same but the layout we could do all kinds of different things with it um but just wanted to give you that as a sample um my first when I looked at it I looked at that that um storm water pipe with the muddy water coming out it can sort of better yeah both of those pictures actually we will find a better a better thing for um the other one's okay I mean it shows that is that is that what it is the picture about storm water yeah the intent is that this goes with goal number two which is really how to address storm water um just have a nice picture of the river since it all goes there anyway that's what I was thinking too it would be interesting to just have yeah I think you're it's probably earlier in the plan in your draft version that you have there is a photo of the river and a photo of some girls with their brain barrel they're painting a rain barrel that's so that's what I was thinking I was trying to find something like that but so yeah so we can we could figure that stuff out um one thing I just want to point out is is the level of work of doing this is just not efficient to do it until the content's pretty well set so we're not going to warn the public hearing draft is not going to look like this it's going to look like the pdf that you guys got in your packet last week but this is to let you know that ultimately the plan will evolve to something that looks much more like this once we really have the content set okay um page 56 in your draft reworked the public health um section with a little less emphasis on opioids not that that is not important but it's not the only important thing from a public health perspective so the planning commission talked about that at the last meeting so I reworked that um page 61 plus the community connections and the safety section is reworked quite a bit based on discussions from here and some of that was a little bit placeholder-y so that's filled in um page 72 the housing introduction was reworked quite a bit and then the key issues and insights kind of reorganized and reworked a bit to really follow the format that we have eventually landed on for each chapter um then uh on page 80 goal 1 still needs some editing but um we can uh kind of take that note out for the public hearing draft and then figure out where we want to land on that um I was going to ask you about that because there's a few places in here where there's no still a note yeah so I'll probably pull all of those out for the public hearing draft um and yeah so that's it in terms of what I wanted to highlight um I did want to let folks know that Jesse had a chance to review um the previous draft two nights ago last night yeah something like that um and so she's got a lot of really great feedback and comments on the plan which is super helpful um so we'll be able to look at that at the public hearing and be able to incorporate that in the next version okay and in the meantime assuming we warn this for next month in the meantime do you want us to get back to you with any comments that we have that would be huge like if you folks could take if the whole planning commission could take the month and really look at it that would be super super helpful okay um and the other thing that we might be able to do we haven't figured this out um is if any of the other commissions want me to come and talk to them yeah we can do that too in the in between what I was going to do is once we were comfortable and set it for for public hearing I was going to forward the draft to all the other commissions so that they could take a look at it again to see where we landed Amy do you have something want to add well I thought I heard you start to say something oh maybe not maybe not maybe it was a yawn I don't know yes yeah thank you yeah Regina said cool okay any further discussion about this and if not I'd entertain a motion one of the two of you to warn a public hearing on December 13th I make a motion to to warn a public hearing for the draft on December 13th okay is there any further discussion so it should the draft should I mean the motion should also include an approval of the written report so the written report is just very simply you can hand this out um a summary of what the plan entails and an acknowledgement that the plan meets the state's planning goals okay um so so I'm assuming you're going to amend your motion to that oh I was typing can you repeat that please just just include the what is it just the reporting the written report yeah okay it's it's in here yes so on December 13th your what that is is basically going to be um a meeting where we gather public comment either from anybody who wants to show up and give you comment or we were likely receive lots of comment via email or thoughts from the other commissions or each of you should be coming with comments and you're more than welcome to send them to me beforehand um but essentially on the 13th you won't have a new draft to look at because we're really just going to be like taking comments and then from December 13th to I think it ends up being January 3rd or something like that um that's when we I will be incorporating all the changes into a new draft um that you all see before you move it on to the city council and that's going to include this kind of you don't see it any but but um she gave us uh a sample of what the design is going to be like yep yeah so the hope is that it'll be pretty well incorporated into something like that um we'll set we'll have to figure out if it will be by January 10th or if it'll come later in the process but it'll be it'll be much clearer by December 13th okay so in the meantime Eric can you scan I was going to say what I'll do is what I'll do is send out the report and the I'll call it the the the draft style sheet for the plan to the commission members uh the other thing that it's this though isn't it well I'll send this just so folks can see folks that aren't here but you want us to just look at correct this is what we have okay because it's easier for me to look at this than to look at the screen yes absolutely but what I'll do is and if you want hard copies I can do that but because it sounds like there's some of the notes and things will be taken out of this version um is that yeah there's just a few yeah there's a few notes that'll be removed that I can clean up and give you a new draft if you want or you can just take that graph that you have printed and use that but we will send a I'll say slightly updated draft for the public hearing and announce when we announce it because we have to send it to all the adjacent municipalities we send it to the state that draft will get the slight polish from this meeting no it's not going to be in the design format that you don't have the privilege of seeing right now right it's going to be it's going to look very similar to the pdf that came in your email last Friday I mean for all intents and purposes Amy the pdf that I sent out with the agenda is basically what it's going to be okay I can share it with you tomorrow if you'd like the hard copy yeah I can't wait even though I do have other plans but we'll do it tomorrow okay any further comments or discussion hearing none all in favor of the motion to warn the hearing please say aye aye that's what I thought I heard that I coming over the phone got stuck someplace between Boston here opposed motion carries okay so I think uh is there anything else on the agenda that you wanted to discuss while we're here or the only other thing that I want to just get on a record on with since we have Amy on the phone is canceling next the next meeting which would fall that on Thanksgiving Day so that's under the schedule yeah that's under the the discussion of dates and schedules just to formally cancel that meeting unless we want to postpone it to another date but I don't know when else we would have it before the 13th so I think it'd be best to formally cancel that meeting so December 13th okay so I guess I should take a motion to to cancel the meeting on the 27th I'm not sure if we have to but since we've been a quarrel as well so I I think I heard Amy say I make a motion to cancel the November 27th meeting I did I did say I thought so the Thanksgiving Day that is yeah and I think I heard Terry second I second that all in favor I opposed all right so the next meeting is the 13th motion to adjourn motion to adjourn it's tough one is just you too they have to make motions in second because I don't even adjourning isn't even on the agenda it's really that's okay we I I'll put it under other business this should be easy enough to to record just kidding and I heard Terry second that motion so all in favor I I hi we are adjourned thank you thank you thank you yeah it's just two of us and you on the phone sorry I had to call you