 Welcome to the 1878 Pog FM Pog I shall have to leave the FM off for four men, but there's not four men, there's only three, but the diva is with us this week and that is, that makes me happy, he is back, punishment won't be discussed today, that will be next week when Pead is with us, but needless to say there will be some sanctions Andy, but today we're going to be nice to you. Thanks guys, I've come out on my tray left today to chat to you guys, it's just how it is, it's just the crazy world of show business isn't it? It happens. Yeah we just felt, I'll be honest with you Andy, it would be an oversight and a slight lie to say that we didn't discuss you last week and regular listeners will confirm the fact that your name was mentioned and we did feel that in some ways, and I don't want to deal with this now because as we said before I think that Pead needs to be here. But we do think that there are aspects of your behaviour which are frankly unacceptable and we therefore need to deal with this in the only way possible, but anyway, more on that later. How are you and it's lovely to see you back? Is this disciplinary, is this like a union rep with me for this particular episode? Discipline is a big word, I think, and me and Baz don't want to get all heavy on your ass, but suffice to say that when Pead's back we do have plans afoot to maybe make a new regime for 2020. I'm up for that, I mean maybe as a punishment Pead can maybe go for his holiday foes or something. Oh by the way, I've already seen a whole stockload of them on Facebook, have you seen them? So for those that don't know, by the way also I should preface this by the fact that there is people staying in his house and looking after the outstations while he is away. Him and his wife are, or wife, girlfriend? Wife, wife, wife. There you go, official. That's the check, official. There you go. So they're in New York, I believe, from Facebook because they have posted videos and indeed a whole gallery of photos of the Brooklyn Bridge and other notable New York skyline landmarks and it looks very, very nice. Do you remember back in the day when someone went on holiday they would have an overhead projector thing and they would go through their holiday snaps? We had a family do that with us, I remember when I was a kid and it's a shame you don't get that anymore. I'd love to go round the peds and get the projector out and go through them. Do you know what I mean? You wouldn't share it up. We'd not say you'd be sat there and you'd be interviewing someone. It wouldn't turn up but you know what the weird thing is though that actually what you describe and it was a strange concept where you might get invited round to a family's house and they would say, Would you like to see our photographs from when we went to Leel and you kind of go, no, they would do it anyway. But the thing is that we don't really need to have those kind of performance events, do we? Because everybody just puts them on Facebook and we all just take it in turns to look through 37 photos from Mykonos. At our leisure. Maybe on the bus or on the train or something. Maybe there's a more polite time back then because you at least get an invite, which you had the opportunity to decline. Whereas Nerf Festerpedd, but I've already seen this holiday photos because they're popping up every five minutes on Facebook and stuff like that as well. I don't go on Facebook, I've not seen it. Are you not on there at all? I'm on there, but I just do not go on it. Have you had experience, a Facebook marketplace experience on there or something like that? No, no. Do you ever go on Facebook marketplace? Yeah, I bought my bike on there. There's some weird stuff on there, isn't there? Have you seen this thing? I've become a bit obsessed with it. And as a result, it's changed the algorithm of what it shows me now when I open Facebook marketplace. I'm obsessed with reborn baby dolls. Have you ever heard of a reborn baby doll? Do you think he posted something about this? They're very odd. They kind of look like the results of when two cabbage patch cousins may come together. Cabbage patch cousins. I love that. The Bridgewater Edition. They're really expensive. They're incredibly like creepy kind of rubber baby dolls that people buy. And they're like a 800 quid, 900 quid, and there's loads of them on Facebook marketplace. Yeah, it's mad. They're in the wrong game, boys. We are in the wrong game. 800 quid? They're huge. It's like nothing I've ever seen before, but I'll just add this, like I say, caveat, a warning. If you start looking for it on Facebook marketplace, Facebook will think, oh, he's into that stuff and start sending you more of it. That's it. No. Listen, I do go on there. I bought my bike on there. I have bought odd items of furniture on Facebook marketplace. I actually do have some stuff to shift on Facebook marketplace coming up. What kind of stuff? You know, I've got some. No, I've got some furniture, which was no longer fits my requirements. So I'm going to be, you know, moving that on to a new home. Fair play. Ned had a great experience on Facebook marketplace last year. Was it last year, Ned? Last year, wasn't it? He wanted to sell. OK. He wanted to sell his iMac. Old iMac. Oh, dear. He put it on you exactly. That's different. That's for his legs. Not for the iMac for his legs. If you sell electrical items on Facebook marketplace, you open yourself up to the biggest, like, focused collection of weirdos in the United Kingdom. Which isn't what Ned did. Ned basically arranged to sell his Mac. He'd already been bartering with this lad. So he eventually, he was saying to me, this lad is offering me like 100 quid less. And I said, stick to your price. That's what you're on a sale of four. If he doesn't want to buy it, it's worth it and someone else will. Anyway, the lad apparently agreed to pay the money. And he went to Ned's house, which, OK, I mean the alarm bells for me, but there you go. Ned just basically handed his iMac over to him. And the lad walked off with it. He never saw any money. He told him he'd wire transferred him the money. Oh my word. And showed him a black screen shot price. I did point out to Ned that when that happens, normally you wait for it to land in your bank and then you go. You may have it. Anyway, the lad. Ned sounds like one of those people that gets asked to run the tap upstairs while someone goes through their handbag. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. A fear forum when he's older. Yeah. He's definitely scammed central. 100%. He will be on, you know, they've done little wood as late as stay alive for that long. Ned will don't get don't get dumped at some stage. Wow. But the lad, apparently the lad, the mad thing about it was this gentleman who had about 47 different profile names or whatever, had scammed quite a few people and the police were aware of it, but said something like, well powerless to stop it almost. Who'd have thought that there were unsavories even in St Helen's? Exactly, exactly. Maybe that's a note of caution, Dave, before you sell this mysterious bit of furniture. Get the money first. Well, you know, I don't, yeah, and I don't want it to sound weird. You know, it's just furniture which no longer suits my requirements. And I would like to see it go to a good home. I will be making sure that I take on board Ned's experience and indeed your advice, and to make sure that nothing is parted with as it were until I get the cash in my... Satisfactory payments. A love swing. Would that go in, would that go in like furniture? Yeah, love swing. Well, I don't know. I mean, it's difficult to know how you categorise stuff like that. I tell you what, no, I mean, back to your original thing about how weird and random Facebook marketplace can be. It's kind of like the one show of buying stuff, isn't it? Because all sorts of stuff has just come up in any order. And I kid you not, I was on there about a year ago. A little bit like this podcast. I was on there and I saw, right, there was a lady and she was a larger lady, and which is great. And she was selling some of her second hand lingerie, I suppose you'd call it. You know, it was underwear, ladies underwear, that was... You know, it's the sort of thing that you might not wear every day. I'm just trying to be careful. Yes, special occasions, weekends, birthdays, something like that. So she was trying to sell this. Now, I don't know whether if I was in the market for ladies lingerie, and by the way I'm not, if I was, I don't know whether I'd buy it on Facebook marketplace, but maybe some people do. And then, literally, on the next page, as if it was her posting, there was a second hand inflatable boat, you know, like a kind of dingy. And these were next to each other. See, it's not one of those things where people who bought this also bought some of this. Maybe she was in for a great weekend, Cruising. I mean, that's an inflatable dingy and some specialists on the garment. Hey, listen, you never know when you're in luck, you're going to be in there. I tell you what, that's the hell of a Saturday night in St. Helens, isn't it? It is, isn't it? No, down to Carmel Dam with his lingerie on and his inflatable boat. Well, tell me what, have you been after the backstory to why Dave was paddle boarding down in Devon with pasties in his bag? Exactly, absolutely. Maybe they weren't pasties. That's all I'm saying. I don't know whether I can say it. I'm going to say it and people have a go fair play. But I've once saw on one of those things, and it was reposted, somebody's selling a girl's selling half a bottle of anal loop. And it's hardly used. Right. Low mileage. Low mileage. Okay. I don't know who buys half a bottle of anal loop. I don't either. But do you know what I like about that? Right? I've always been BYO. Just put it out. Just put it out. Do you know what I like about that? Is the fact that in the current climate where there is so much wasted, and people might get halfway through, what would you call it? Is it a tube or a bottle? I think it was like a tube. I love how you tend not to know that, Dave. I can't remember, but I suppose it was not a bottle. Because essentially a bottle you feel is almost like glass or what you drink cocoa. It was one of those... Like a toothpaste. No, no. So it was like... It's like what we seal the bath with. No, it wasn't painter's cork or shilligan. And it wasn't a pump-axe. It was a cylinder, but like a plastic cylinder. So would you call that a bottle? No, I know what you mean. But I tell you what, that is mind-blogging in terms of the application varieties that you could have there with something that was like a pump-axe. It's so long though, you'd have to get the other position to do it. You can do that yourself. Or invite a friend around. Exactly. He's got a launch at eight and an inflotable dinghy. What? An inflotable dinghy? I mean inflotable. That wouldn't be very good, an inflotable dinghy. An inflotable dinghy. Do you know what I think in many ways this conversation just sums up how much we are enjoying and not being active at the moment. I was just the best thing, isn't it? I was just about to move on and go. This is the happiest Evertonians podcast that we've ever done. Ever. And it will only go back to normality on Boxing Day. I'm dreading it. I'm absolutely dreading the start of the season again. Are you dreading it? I've got terrible, terrible vibes there. In many ways that newly announced rail strike has done everybody a favour, hasn't it? It's actually knackered all the Boxing Day fixtures. Yeah, totally. Okay, honestly, just. I put a little thing on our premiere this morning with just some random subjects for the pod today just in case. In case we wanted to just talk about random stuff. No, in case we were stuck. We're never stuck, but just in case. Just in case we did. But one of them was from Gareth Hughes. He's a top lad. He says, after this sample would you now be in favour of wind railcups as the norm? I will be in favour of yearly winter railcups that stop football for six or seven weeks at a time. Just so we can look at our breath back. We were just like aside from Everton for a second, but as a World Cup it's been a really interesting one because it hasn't had the same vibe as like, you know, I've not seen anyone driving around with England flag sticking out the car. No. There's not been any of that, but I think football wise it's been the best World Cup for a long long time. The group, the best group stage. Definitely. So it's this really weird split between, like for example, you can always tell how popular a World Cup is, like say if my other half Katie's gets into it. Whereas I find a lot of people's other halves of not really being that bothered about it because obviously morally it's a little bit questionable as well. So it's almost like if you're into football it's a great World Cup, but it hasn't really spread out into the wider realm of pop culture. I said that myself. What's taking place on the grass has been excellent, but it's almost like it doesn't feel like anything else is going on other than what's on the pitch. Yeah, no fan zones or anything like that. There's only like a carnival, isn't there? It is weird. It is weird. Now I was thinking that today coming back on the school run and I did actually see like a St George's flag hanging outside this house as is, you know, popular normally during a major tournament. And I saw it and I kind of thought, actually, I haven't seen many of those. And it seems odd actually to have this flag outside, which as you say, he should normally be accompanied by kind of like, you know, weekend barbecues. And lads walking around with cases of ale under their hand in flip flops and shorts and stuff going off to their mates to watch the match, you know. And it's just a strange thing where, you know, you're more likely to find someone coming home with a Christmas tree. Exactly. And it just doesn't really fit right, does it? The other thing is, the other bit I found fascinating is that there's been like a real shift in what it is to be an England fan, in that we've been controlling games and kind of strangling the life out teams a little bit and never really been in peril. I mean, the backdrop, the narratives have been an England fan normally is Terry Butcher, you know, brave failure and bloody bandage and all that kind of stuff where it's, you know, just a landscape. It would never really be in our first 20 minute wobble when, you know, McGuire was having a bit of a weird one with so many stones. Really kind of controlled the game and just eased them out the way. So you don't get, I haven't really had that kind of, you know, a few Hail Mary's at halftime type thing that you normally get with an England team because we're kind of in control. We've turned into like what Germany used to do to us back in the day really. It's like, oh, wish we were a bit cold and clinical and didn't have nerves like they do. Well, we're kind of like that now. It's weird. Zot. I wonder if they're enjoying our performances back home in Düsseldorf. Possibly. I'm sure they are. Possibly. They are back there, man. So what are your thoughts then, boys, for Saturday? Obviously, this is a big one. I mean, not saying that Senegal wasn't a tough match and potentially it was tricky, but France, that's the proper test, isn't it? Well, I mean, we'll know where we're at properly. I don't feel like we've really played anyone that's going to so far bar like, you know, a roadblock with the USA game. Anyone that we haven't really kind of properly tested ourselves at the moment. One of the biggest Achilles heels of this England team is that if it gets too easy, they make mistakes. You know, so that's what I thought. When we have been in a bit of jeopardy, it's just through our own doing, like, you know, making mistakes really, to be honest with you. So I don't know. I think when you're a top level player like we've got in our team now for England, I think they'll just see this as like a, they're really confident. And this is, you know, this is the kind of game we should be winning. And it might be a real, you know, fork in the road moment for England where, you know, these are the games we might end up battering them. I mean, France are good. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, I feel like we've got a good enough team to at least match them. Yeah, they are very dangerous and bad based. It's tremendous. And I think if England leave as many gaps as they did against Senegal, they'll be in trouble. There's no doubt about it. And Jerew, as well, is much integrated, I think, you know. I was saying my hand the other day, I mean, was he not an option for us at one point? He was rumoured. Yeah, he was practically right. He was done. I mean, why did that not happen? Cos he wasn't getting in the Chelsea side. It was when he was, yeah, his wife wasn't it. It was when he was leaving Arsenal. And it's difficult to say there was a reason why she didn't want him to move to Macy's side. This is nothing to do with Ned's experience in St Helen's. No, I don't think he'd had the AI maxed all on offer. That could swing. Cos that would definitely, yeah, swing is interesting. That would definitely change it, yeah. Speaking of which, though, should we be hearing rumours of strikers and stuff at the moment? Well, I was just going to say. You know, we're moving towards that. You're texting Ted, by the way. You're doing your shopping list. What are you doing, Baz? I've just put something in the group for you. Oh, right. I see. Fine. Oh, OK. Do you know what? Hang on. Listen, I know that we can't even allude to this. Possibly, but is that true, Baz? That's maybe one of the reasons. Really? By the way, we should maybe kind of like tease this information in some kind of like extra. I think everyone probably knows, but we're not saying it. I tell you what, I didn't know that. I didn't know that that's the reason why he perhaps didn't want to come to us, but that's fascinating. Ronald Cooman wouldn't give him his iMac, and that was it. Yeah, and for new. Moving towards it, obviously, it is a few weeks away. I don't really want to discuss it too much, cos you opened it up with before. It's been utterly delicious getting up in the morning, and it's the furthest thing from your mind. It's tremendous. You've been doing live watch-alongs with crazy numbers every day. Just watching football is so exciting without it being evident. But obviously, our football team is in dire need of forward players. I mean, what I was going to ask you to, first and foremost. Sorry, in many ways, I just interrupt. In terms of the information that you just gave us before, you could perhaps describe, you should really have been a forward player, couldn't you? You could, very forward. And he'd still improve us now, if he was to be able to get permission to move to us. If he could get a hall pass for a year or so. The actual thing for Everton is, when we're coming back now, do we think that we are, the break will have done us good in terms of the reset button so the players can almost, if you can't ignore the Premier League table as it is right now and ignore the form that in. And almost be, it's day one again. Because some teams are going to have to do that anyway, aren't they? The simple answer is yes, you would hope so, if that's an answer. Listen, if we rewind back to happier times and the four of us have been on here and have said, do you know what, things are going in the right direction and they're working hard and it will be buzzing around all over the place and all these different things and we look solid at the back and all those qualities that we applauded. And obviously the wheels have come off a little bit, a lot of it. But there's no reason why we can't get back to that. But what that doesn't change though is the fact that we are woefully short, the risk is sound like a broken record, we are woefully short of any kind of fire power up front. Because once again, Dominic is not a long-term answer, right? And Mopay is also not a long-term answer. We need somebody, like the aforementioned Giroux or somebody who is a tried and tested goal scorer. We've got to get somebody in. I mean, otherwise I just fear that it's going to be a real slog for the rest of the season. And we went through that last year. We can't go through that again because we will be worryingly close. I mean, I was going to say worryingly close to the exit door, but that's assumed. We stayed up by the skin of our teeth last year. If you have a scare like that, surely you do everything in your power to make sure you sit down and think, right, we're not going to get ourselves into this position again. Everton are sleepwalking back into exactly the same position. You don't have to be like a sports science expert to know that we were roster-wise. We were incredibly thin on the ground up front. They still let a load of people go out on loan. They still haven't thought it out. Weirdly, last season caught everyone by surprise and it was a real shock as we've discussed in this podcast, hugely traumatic being in Nevitonian. And it was awful. I think it did affect my mental health. I'll be completely honest with you. That did mine 100%. It really did knock you for six. But if we go down the same route this season, I will have a completely different approach to it because they've had the warning signs there. It's not come as a shock and they will only have themselves to blame in there. And it's like a different, I'll be slightly distanced from it because we've been through this before. So you should have planned accordingly. We've got a brilliant new stadium on the way and to have that in the championship would be such a travesty. Do you know what I mean? I think last year emotional trauma was unbelievable. Sleep, everything. It's always on your mind. I fell out with loads of people as well actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On Twitter and stuff like that about football, just a lot of arguing. It was pathetic really. And the thing about it is this year, I'll be angry. Last year it wasn't angry. I was just disappointed. I was emotionally, like you said Andy almost, even though, Benita's coming in was a thing we knew wasn't going to end very well. Me thinking that wasn't going to end very well because Everton being 15th or something and it just being 14th and being terrible to watch. It wasn't needing to be, you know, with 40 minutes to go of our set up, you know, penultimate game with 2-0 down and basically we relegated because we were getting on the rational. Bar of Miracle, which is frankly what happened. Exactly. But this season, like you just said, we've had the war on science. We, we, yes, we improved the team. We absolutely did improve the team and some of we did. I don't think anybody could sit here and go, we never. But what we've done was we also lost the goals. I said this earlier on something this week. Everton have been allowing goals to just sheep out the back door for years. You know, LeCarque, that team, I've done this to death but I'm going to do to ball you too as well for a couple of minutes right now. I'm going to say, that Everton side had Seamus Coleman in. He was obviously, Seamus Coleman still plays for us. Love him. So he was six years younger. So he was at the peak of his powers. Leighton Baines, still had a few seasons to go. Good player. Okay, John Stones was there albeit he went in the first summer. I'm going to say he took over, but we had John Stones. Jack Gielcher, then in midfield we had Garth Barry, James McCarthy, Romelu LeCarque. So when you look at all of those players and there was others who were dancing around the edges, when you look at those players and then you say, there's a fellow with a big pot of money. Yeah. And that team bear in mind was edging around, okay, Martinis managed to somehow finish 11th with it but it was a team that should have really been challenging for the European place. When you look at the quality of those players and then that money came in, it was, it's, when I think about it now, it's all, and certainly because the next season, when Cuman took over, they're getting Europe, we finished 7th and comfortably. It almost blows my mind that we have not improved in fact since that moment, when Cuman's season finished, Everton have gone backwards factually. Well certainly in terms of, in terms of the attacking options. But the goals went, the car key went, Rooney came in, became top scorer. We let Rooney go the next season. We had Retialysen, we've let Retialysen, and we've never put goals, Ross Barclay went, so he used to get eight, nine goals a season or whatever it was, assists, that's gone. Absolutely. What do we do to players though? Because you know, I'm sitting there watching David Carson play with us. What is it with us? How can you come to, people come to us, even managers come to us, like Silva, you know, the way Fulham play football at the moment. What do we do? We like, it goes back to the curse thing, but we seem to do some things to people that makes them, you know, nowhere near as good as they actually are. Maybe with us. Institutionally, dysfunctional, and that's all therefore, it can't be, we can't sit here and go, every manager since David Moyes has come in has failed really. Martin has had one. Well it's all their fault brother, yeah that's it. Exactly, it can't, if you try seven or eight managers, like we have, and you don't get anywhere, it can't always be the manager's fault, can it? Players let you down, that absolutely they do when they cross the white line, but there's got to be something bigger, and you know, Frank Lampard, we all like I think, but we all realise that, we all realise that he's got to improve as well. Well it's worked like I say, a bit of a crossroads with Frank. My prediction a couple of weeks ago, I think if he loses the two games, the other side of the restart, then I think he might be gone. We've lost six in eighth haven't we? Yeah it's certainly the stats are looking really bad. But it's either, it's either this thing of two transfer windows where he's, he's had more than that, but you know, number one, sort out the spine of the team, make us a bit more tough, which he's done. So this second one now, it's got to be the one where he adds the firepower, otherwise that's not the plan. I mean I'll give him that time for definite, if you know, you can't get it all done in one kind of go, but you know, if he doesn't... But you're saying that he might not even get that transfer window, I mean that's the thing, I mean you know, I don't... You have to chew the feets of before it, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah and I know, I get that, I get that, but that would make no sense to me whatsoever. And I can understand the pressure that he'd be under, and I can understand the feelings of many, especially those that may be in a position to do something. But to actually chop him before he's had a chance to maybe, you know, he might have identified a strike, he might have identified two strikers for all we know. I mean what should be happening now is that, you know, Thelwell or whoever, you know, should be there, literally outside the door of the striker shop, you know, like on Box and Day sales, ready to go straight in there. In a sleeping bag. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. My first ex-mother-in-law used to do that with the next sale, you know stuff like that. Five o'clock in the morning. Yeah, absolutely be there, you know, going in for that top that she'd already identified in November. But this is what you have to do. She's planned ahead though, to be fair, she's got a strategy short. And this is exactly it, and strategy is a word. And this is something that we seem to be so bereft of, is the fact that we need to have a strategy. We need to know what's going to happen. As soon as that window opens, bang, straight in there like a trolleydosh, get our business done and come back and then sit there and then prep. Can I? Don't kind of wait, don't wait there till the 27th or the 28th, when everybody else has been sniffing around all the decent, you know, targets. You know, and we're after loan players from Turkey. You think about the games we've had so far this season, and it's been fine margins. We've missed a lot of cities. So maybe, you know, it could just be the difference between that one piece of the puzzle, someone who's got a bit more composure, and we have missed some big chances in games. And we're suddenly looking at a completely different roadmap for the rest of the season. Three or four or five more points. We're all sat here going. Could have a decent second after the season. You know, we've got two thirds of the season left, but do you think Everton could really take the pressure off Lampard regardless of the two results, because they are coming before the window opens? If Everton could do, and we hinted at this the other week, but what kind of what he did with Michel Encho, so therefore if Everton have got a strike aligned up, get a deal done, and announce it on the pre-order. Fully announce it, you know, around Christmas time. Everton have signed, you know, we've been like with Beto from Udenaisie, use a good player who would make a difference to us. Everton have agreed to deal with Udenaisie for Brazilians forward, you know, whatever Portuguese forward. Beto for whatever £25 million and the player will sign on January the 1st. Something like that. Unless the deal gets hijacked. Yeah, but it's basically done and agreed. And then does that then buy the manager a little bit more time regardless of the two games, or are the two games still? I mean Man City are ways one of them, so let's cross that off, we're not. That ain't going to happen is it? So that's done. We ain't going to have a cap run as well, with the, you know, it's a draw. Exactly right. So therefore he's under real pressure isn't he? A home, i'r side of that city game. He needs four points out of them two. You know, like Pedd was saying the other week, it's really, you know, really the best time to have done it, which would have been stupid, would be before this World Cup starts, because whoever the new bosses has got X amount of weeks to work with players, but that would have been mad, given that we do have faith in Lampard and we know that it's not just him. There's other factors that are slowing things down a little bit, but the other thing that might happen is that we have a couple of ropey results. He finally gets to a transfer window, gets a couple more people in, then gets sacked two games after we resume after the transfer window. The problem is that it just feels, you know, the analogy that I'll use, it's like snakes and ladders, you know, you just feel like you've actually made progress of source and I know that it's not all kind of upward progress and there's a bit of flatten, there's a bit of down, there's a bit of pressure that's made as a whole and you do all that over however many weeks and months and what, and we've seen it so many times with so many different managers and we're seeing it now with Lampard and then suddenly the idea comes to, and by the way, you know, I'll preface this with the fact that I didn't think this about Raffergo, that's another story, but you know, they go and chop the manager and suddenly straight back to square one again and it's a bit like, oh, we've now got to completely rebuild, because they don't fit in with the thoughts and the strategy of the new manager coming in, therefore we've got to have a completely new overhaul and it's just so counterproductive. Isn't this what Evan's fundamental problem is though? So say Frank Lampard just say for argument, say he wants to play out from the back so Evan can get some players that theoretically can play out from the back and then what we've done is we've got now Frank, you're not good enough now, we're replacing you with Andy Bush, and Andy Bush likes to play 4-4-2, banging it long to 6-4-5 strikers and therefore... I don't play by the rules, but I get results. Exactly, Andy, and this night we'll put a pass, I think you will get results. Andy's not here for a long time, he's here for a good time. Exactly, and that's it, you know, he's not here to make friends either, he's here to win pots and then therefore, like you say, the manager comes in and goes, you've spent 30 million on there and they're no good for me. I don't want them. And therefore we're late from what... and the sensible people would say, well, put a thread in place where you play a certain system, you play a certain way, but then have a look at managers, you have a look at managers around doing similar jobs at other clubs who play a similar way to the way this fellow wants to play and then if you start looking and go, he's not really cutting it this month, we can bring Exhibit A in over here who will use those players because they're very similar to the way he plays anyway. It's where the power's focused though because you take Arsenal, for example, they have Eddie there, they've got a way that they want to play football, they keep going about the process, but he felt that if things didn't go right for Arteta, they'd get in another manager that play and fit in with the way that they can see the trajectory of the club. But what we've got at Everton is that a new guy that comes in has got a new way of doing it, new backroom staff, and the whole thing like Dave with snakes and ladders all over again. We haven't got someone like that. Have we got a director of football? Yeah, Kevin Felwell, and he is to be fair, he has put a lot of processes in place and I think he's probably a little bit frustrated about how it's not moved as quickly. So I think we do, there has to be that caveat when we're saying we've done this consistently and we've done this wrong, whatever that. We do have the fellas being here nine months, we've got to allow that process and I talked to people who were working within recruitment and stuff like that and they said you do have to just let it play out a little bit because to start getting the fruits of that it's time it is really and he is making good progress, but us as fans we need to see it probably right in front of our eyes as well. I'll tell you what though, if you watched the Australia games or whatever we've got some good young players coming through and that's like a slightly delayed gratification but we've got some good players on the way. What I was going to say was does it I mean Dave does it annoy you that and I know it was at a different time but Ella Sims has scored again on Friday I scored again at the weekend and had an assist and I was speaking to someone last night who was at the Sun, he's a Liverpool fan but he went to Sunderland on Saturday for a different reason, said he looked really good and he was powerful and and I know we went out before Dom and the Calvert Loom got injured some, we've had this conversation before. Can you cancel looms though? Can you cancel looms? I've heard of looms being recalled though but there has to be, there is if you put that into the agreements. I think you can have it, I mean at the end of the day it's a contract though isn't it and I think if you have loaned a player out for that period of time whether that's a season long or whatever is that I'm not aware, there might be, there might be fine printing there whereby you can recall because I think it looks like we're going to recall Tiara Brantway from the PSV loan and put him in the championship because he's not playing enough but if Ella Sims basically plays for Sunderland it's only when he hasn't played he's been injured so they are competing they're doing their part of the bargain I think the higher profile the loan is like the El Garzi won last season for half a season it was quite clear Everton didn't want him Frank Lampard didn't want him did he four weeks ago? by the way was that Rafa that brought him in Rafa Benitez didn't want him it was the thing you'll find it oh no he came as a makeweight he came as a makeweight didn't he he came as a makeweight didn't he but what happened was to get the Luchudin deal done Villa couldn't afford Luchudin's wages so they couldn't afford to do the deal so Meshiri's mate who is El Garzi's agent apparently Everton had to pay his wages which meant Villa had enough money to be able to buy the player they were buying from us on payers wages apparently that is allegedly that's what the story is I can't confirm nor deny it but that is what the story was which is a bit bizarre but listen let's hope that Everton and I'm sure they are working towards two forwards in January it has to be it has to be a priority this should have been surely the main main focus of all of this time off I mean obviously certain people are there basically trying to make sure that the side is as fit and prepared for the remainder of the season as is possible right that's a given but then other people within the club whoever they are well etc etc in his team have got to be focusing on who these two strikers are that we need right because and we do need two one's not enough you know we need to giving us technically four strikers with Dominic and Neil Mopay being the other two and we have a situation where maybe we have some competition for players then great because if you think about the amount of players that we have carried for so long over the last few years on the wage bill surely if we're going to have surplus anywhere let's have it up front a little bit now that actually the rest of the team looks relatively solid all things considered in terms of where they've been we've got to for me it's got to be a wide forward and a striker we've got to have more goals in that front how good did Richarlison look last night by the way I don't know when you're listening to this but at the time of recording it's Tuesday morning so we obviously watched the Brazil game last night I mean you just look so good didn't make up players isn't he yeah yeah yeah and you're thinking of Everton I'll tell you what though Pickford was fantastic didn't even get credit for the first save he made and that's one of the toughest he doesn't get that with Everton but when you play for a really good team you're doing nothing for 25-30 minutes you've got to switch on really quickly he was absolutely great that's the thing at least with Everton they keep his hands warm don't they we like to make him get lots of touches to make him better Graeme Schunas comment last night about Richarlison forget his comment what was his jacket his jacket was terrible he looked like he'd just he looked like he'd been done out on some extra kit from an old Miami Vice or George Michael in the early 90s but he was commenting that yeah Richarlison's improved now cos Conti sorted them out sorry what by not playing him he was quite good for Everton every single season double figures every single season he's an absolute clown when he's just talking about the game you listen and he's quite knowledgeable the minute he starts thinking into reasons why players are doing you just go make sure of I just felt sorry last night for that Anya Loku who sat there she sat in between the two most miserable men in sport in Schunas and Roy Keane Roy Keane's funny dog well yeah that's true but Roy Keane's beard just baffles me every time I see it I just think that he's just looking more and more like a sort of grumpy cartoon goat and yeah he looks quite youthful when he's got his beard shaved off and he looks fresh why would you have that as a man I can't listen I'll let you into a secret Andy Bush you're a man who likes to sport you know now as ever I can't really do that I only get like a little bit under there and I get nothing here I believe it's the phrase and I still think that when I move into my 40s I'm thinking it might be a bit of a somewhere in my development and it might sort of come late track that with interest Dave I'll let you know I'm on call to you there's the other day Dave he's a singing striker oh really is that good? he's got a tremendous head of hair like yourself I think you but score more goals than at the moment he's having an absolute may right now for Argentina got a goal that's allowed by a toenail in the opening game and he's lost his place in the team so he's not having a great one wasn't it nice to see Suarez crying that was lovely and son last night to be fair but Suarez was especially him and Nunez it was especially nice it is what it is isn't it it's not me I'm messing with Nunez but Suarez it was almost like the garner of weight at 12 years for that moment I enjoyed that a lot I also like you know as you say when you see son's tears rolling down his there was something beauty just nice wasn't it absolutely that'll learn you for Andre Gomez I mean son is son really and son is we're all fathers to kids obviously we have three dads on this podcast Dave you've got a guest at the moment yeah I mean you know I was a semi permanent guest in the shape of my 15 year old daughter and by the way if you don't have a 15 year old daughter let me just say it's one of the most joyful and fun times of any parents you know a journey through life it's a beautiful time and I particularly enjoy our exchanges at half six quarter seven in the morning is it a little bit like Everton's season is it a little bit you know it was a bit more like a bullet ghost yeah I mean at times there are question marks over attitude and commitment you know and we've all been there yeah there are many parallels and just kind of thinking you know could they do more you know could they could they do more could there be more effort there could there be a greater strategy does she not finish her dinner as well no I mean it depends I mean she quite likes my cooking that's not a problem really but the problems are elsewhere but yeah there's many parallels I think with being the father of a of a 15 year old who's currently going through her mochi to seas and following Everton and one that I'd like to say I'm relishing do you find yourself whatsapping her even though she's in the same house as you what to come down for a tea and stuff like that our oldest I would communicate basically through whatsapp if she would be on just chats to friends online I don't know what they talk about there have been a school together for the day and then they're back on FaceTime Mike youngest Zach is you know he's 11 so I've just gone to senior school and that's the same in sat there watching the mat the other night me and him are watching sat there what was it and I just there is Mike's voice and I went like he's in the room I went out to Stevie why can I hear Stevie when me and you watching the mat I went mate honestly go in the other room and saw Stevie open him we're watching the footy do you remember when you used to if you wanted to chat to a friend when you got back from school you'd have to run the gamut of going on the landline chat to their parents you'd have to sit on the bottom of the stairs on the phone you'd be sat there and you'd always be trying to you know there was always that bit in the phone cable this is showing our age but anyway bear with us you know with the phone thing and it would always get like a kink in it where it wasn't quite the way it was intended and then you would try and get that kink out while you're on the phone but then you'd find that you'd end up doing another one and you'd never really get it right because fundamentally you're not an electrical engineer you're not an electrical engineer you're just not a phone but that's what you used to have to do or you just used to go knock on the door and you do that thing and you knock on the moment you say oh no he's gone out he's probably up by wherever and you'd have to walk up there he's gone to buy an iMac off Ned in St Helms he's gone to buy an iMac off Ned in St Helms he's gone to buy an iMac off Ned and the kids they don't know the ball but they do have that thing they have the stages where it's a different language isn't it it's a different language a lot of grunting a lot of grunting you know rolly eyes I get told I can't say that anymore quite a lot you can't say that anymore yeah I've had that and the thing is you can't even really on any kind of forum like this which is public you can't even actually allude to some of the areas that we may have been told that we're not allowed to venture into a fear of maybe you know of Shreton's from let me put it this way 1970s, 1980s men working men's club range of accents that you could have done after the games gone that's gone to finish the bottom is falling out of that business the games gone sky of ruin this but now it is isn't it I mean in the words of Olivier Giroux you know that's what he would have said maybe what other people have said I think he would have said a lot of things he would have said a lot of things it is you know more and all of that stuff it is a very seaview place and va va vu it does bring about its trials and tribulations parent in the modern day I equate it to a film in many ways it's the sort of thing whereby if it was a film this would be the bit that I'd fast forward do you know what I mean but you don't want to miss anything out and you're a man who's got younger children and you've got children who are still of a cute and like a belage and there'll be a period when you don't like them you love them but you don't like them absolutely you know but all that stuff so I think up to 10 is quite nice you know 7s and 8s and stuff like that is quite nice but then you sort of get beyond that and it all gets a bit crunchy and ugly I mean I she's an sicker older we go over the game I coach his team but sometimes I'm here and lad we don't speak like that in this house mate lad not to me no said it once to me and he will never say it again the luck I give him he realised very quickly he'd gone in for a three-footer challenge and there was VR there there was no getting away from it I'm dad not lad exactly it was like never ever utter those words to me again but it is it is a thing and the problem he's had he's grown up quicker than probably what the other two did because the other two I've got a daughter who's 24 and I've got a son who's 21 and you don't look old enough Barry if you don't mind me saying so what's your secret there are other products available culture house to be honest Wim Hof and the loob the loob at a boat hardly used on the facebook marketplace and I've got some cracking lines and an inflatable boat it is a the breeze has grown up quicker because obviously they're older so the conversations there haven't he's grown up a little bit with it but it is, it's fraught with danger so you just have to cope with it Dave you have to do your best you just knock it back I suppose modern day Novik Djokovic knock it back past it and turn and walk away and you'll get through it it's weird though because I never thought that I would be as obsessed with landing lights and stuff like that as my dad was but I genuinely am you have to be nowadays though don't you black pool illuminations even more so have you used that though Andy does that reference come out it's like black pool illuminations which is ironic because you live a lot closer to south end pier would it have been easier to say south end I might change it it's like canvian air that's it, you can bounce it off no but it is you do spind yourself all of what old homes won't I remember my nan used to say to me you'll be laughing on the other side of your face what does that mean he's really currently trying to explain that one and he goes what are you going to do he's a one he's a one and I don't know whether this means anything to you or whether it was just something that was individually weird of my grandma but she's had this expression in terms of it was about eating your food kids don't want to eat their dinner they don't want to eat their vegetables and her thing was you've got to eat it up and make the skin on your back like velvet anyone ever heard that is that not the weirdest thing make the skin on your back like velvet and I kind of thought I don't really want to be like an otter do you want a velvet back and it's a very strange thing but no that was one of hers now let's do come out with weird phrase my nan from Norris Green used to come up with some really bizarre saying shorter she said she was growing down like Brown's cow if she would look to mess she said she looked like the wreck of the Hesperus I've heard that one it's like a midden in here it's like a midden in here my dad always chats my dad is a chatty person she always calls him kitty the cook chats to everyone there's some great I did have things like you cross because it'll make your hair curly was that real I mean Felainy must love you just must eat crust John Bailey with these fellas thriving on crust Kevin Keegan that fella must have shaved all the bread and just literally had a diet of crust absolutely it'll put hairs on your chest it's just strange isn't it my grandma had many of these and she always used to she used to turn the telly off when it rained because she believed that it could potentially be a risk analytic shock to the electric as soon as it rained she would turn the telly off in the corner she always had she always had a jar of fox's glassiomints at all times was always fox's glassiomints there would that go to a standard just for people coming round could just help themselves to breath maybe maybe halotosis was not something she was like wasn't keen on it to be fair Barry a few people are no and that's it I've got a few questions and we'll finish with these these are just suggestions what we could speak about today and our premier subscribers I've give us a few so Stephen Kelly says what's the strangest present you've all received mine's funny actually Steve it was half a bottle of anal loop hard to use and so what's the strangest Christmas present you've ever received I don't know my brother getting me a really bizarre helicopter a Vietnam war I mean that is bizarre a mini helicopter that would be great though wouldn't it from the Vietnam war like a Huey or whatever they're called a little miniature model out of the blue showing a massive interest in the Vietnam war at that point he's just got me an old mini helicopter from there the thought that counts Dave I knew you were going to say that I can't honestly think of anything you knew Annalie was going to say he got a mini Vietnam war helicopter because if you did you would be better than the person Andy's about to go and interview my mum regularly buys me packs of socks and what not generally multi pack clothing things from Matalan she's big on which I tend to get which actually are quite useful I like to get presents that are a little bit weird I quite often get my brother in Laura calendar but just sort of random stuff like border collies in hats things like that and just things which don't really apply to him whatsoever but amuse me in appropriateness John my nan used to get us big cartons of sigis each for me and my brother six and seven the candy sigis no no no proper facts when we were like 18 or 19 she used to get us a packet up until I was 30 weirdly enough I had hypnotherapy and then had one little hypnosis session that isn't credible well like a proper kind of look into my eyes and I'll ramise was it like Paul McKenna style it was a little bit like that when you come around was that it was there any kind of cold shaky situation or did you literally just not feel like one the guy was really good I had one session I came around, I asked her but I didn't want to smoke anymore okay I'll move on from this I can't I literally can't think of something where I've gone okay that's weird but I remember one thing I've never ever understood I don't know about you two gentlemen but we've all gone past the age of 21 but remember when you were 20 now this might have happened it might not have happened but when I turned 21 lots of people got me those boxers with that like a silver plastic keying that said 21 did you remember them like a gift? no okay maybe it was just stuff here and I found that incredibly strange because what was I supposed to do it was like a I got all this stuff as well but one of the go-to gifts was like a box above this big was it key to the house it was a big key above this big I don't know what was like a plastic silver coated key with 21 key to the house I believe that is a coming of age thing I think I got the key when I was about 11 to be honest it was just modern life though very strange thing for me Glen Watson says do you have any of you have an advent calendar and if not what age is the cut off well I do have one I have a cabri I've got a white dairy not dairy milk what are the dairy white chocolate one I've got we have them we are five of us and I also have a chocolate one which my missus gets us every year we all get one each one a day do you two gentlemen have advent calendars and if so what's the age that you should stop having do you know I mean and actually it's strange because now that you've brought it up what date is it today at the time of recording is it the 6th of December I think it is okay so I've missed the first six days it's only just dawned me just now that A I haven't got one and also B bought my daughter one either which is possibly an oversight I would get one and then she's got six days very quickly of chocolates that's the thing if I went out today later on and got us one each then we would have a little bit of a head start on Christmas I think I'd probably go for if you're going to go for the white chocolate Nestle one then in the interest of balance and other chocolates are available and I would probably go for some brown chocolate cabri's type of products they will be very nice I will have a look later I'll report back actually and in fact you know what and if I do get one I will show you my open doors as it were next week can't wait can't wait I'll send you that loop Andy your shelf yeah I've got a pork scratch-ins I'll stop it there's a company called the snuffling pig I've heard of them they do fancy pork scratch-ins and they have a little pack behind each door so you have a different flavoured pork scratch-ins every day yes these says what time is it appropriate to start having a drink should you want to on Christmas day you see I would say that on Christmas day all rules go out the window with regards to that yeah no genuinely it's because we all know what's socially acceptable in normal life and then there's a few exceptions Christmas day being one the Saturday or Sunday of your friend's stag do is another any kind of lads weekend actually or a festival also all of these normal rules go out of the window but no Christmas day I think you see perfectly respectable people in society who can be there in the kitchen with some glass of something deeply alcoholic 10-15 while making bacon sandwiches and it's sort of alright in fact it's almost you're almost applauded I don't drink really but I would applaud that if I see some a mum or a dad in the kitchen with a hat on on the cooking breakfast and I say you know what you'll get fully into it some fair play and I don't think there are any rules on are you with me Mr Bush yeah I think all rules go out the window including what you wear it goes literally the only rule is there are no rules what a line Glen Watson says can you air fry an entire Christmas dinner turkey stuff and carrots brussel sprouts I feel like we'll pause this one and Ped can answer it next week cos I think are we all still without an air fryer without an air fryer and I think all I'll say on that front and this is something that I still require qualification and clarification from Ped when he returns from Brooklyn is the fact that I'm not fully aware of the difference between air frying and roasting or indeed baking where does roasting finish and baking finish start these are both oven based hot air situations which is also I think the fundamentals of air frying and I don't really know the difference I think that one should be a motion that's put forward to next week and we will discuss in greater detail once we've disciplined Mr Bush absolutely don't forget that and Paul Black and White says is Ped is that his surname is it double barrelled unless you just want to go full my reaction on a song I don't know Paul Black and White that's amazing it's a tremendous name if that is his full name is Ped the new bush that's what Paul wants to know it's not an option without leave it's hard to say isn't it he's missed what too hasn't he I mean he managed to miss the opening episode which is quite divrish but in general he's got out of bed but not happily he's never happy well it has to be honest this is the happiest I've ever seen him because every now I'm playing we do potentially there are potentially choppy waters ahead and I'm not talking about the remainder of evidence season I'm talking about the fact that actually in addition to to the disciplinary sanctions which need to be discussed and then imposed upon Mr Bush we also need to potentially look at a new schedule for recording because what we have been doing and this is probably of no interest whatsoever to anybody watching this out now but we have been going from midday on a Tuesday but that's now becoming increasingly difficult for Bush's showbiz calendar we might have to make it early now here in lies the problem is that Ped doesn't like to get up in the morning before 11 so I don't quite know how this is going to go so in terms of trying to get the full squad and get us all you know Tarkowski and Cody on your ass you know all in the same room week in week out I don't know how that's going to work well we're just going to have to put the pressure on them because literally it's only his own laziness that's stopping him it reminds me of the Alan Partridge episode where Roger Moore is on the M25 and is always on his way towards the episode but never quite gets there that's what Ped reminds me of maybe we remotely buzz them in from his bedroom that'll be interesting but no that is something you are absolutely right once again Mr Vitty that is something that we'll have to go before the board we'll be disgust and we'll have to see if we can come out with a satisfactory outcome I think we're prepared for these kind of challenges I think me and you are very much the staple we are flexible we'll go with it we don't mind putting our fuss in we don't mind putting our fuss in exactly I think so and I think that if we ever do have a toffee tv Christmas lunch I think that you and me are doing the seating plan absolutely and also doing the order this was going to be my next thing but obviously it's very difficult but it would be lovely if you two could have some stage get up here for whatever you should do it that'd be great it would be amazing to all be in the same room and do one of these it'd be hilarious but then obviously to have some food and a drink as well together cos I feel like we should I think we should as well do you think Ped's facial hair will have grown back by then cos I don't know the unsettled by you didn't have to see him in pace and come in without saying a word and literally just sat down so when it was only when I think it might have been you Mr Bush went and gone before no actually it might have been you Dave it might have been you Dave then where you had to address it immediately oh I had to he was the elephant in the room and that's not meant to be rude and I looked and I was like what happened to you? fellas we're going to have to go I've got to take my little four year old into town I'm about to finish but you know you've buttered in so let's finish it now I am the diva stick that on the minutes by the way for the kangaroo recordings absolutely Mr Bush's time to end podcast before I'm just about to everyone loves a happy ending there but no one is premature Andrew thanks David on that note thank you very much for listening we'll be back next week cheers fellas take it easy see you later bye bye