 It's good to have Roger back. We're gonna have screenshots once again. Thank goodness It's not good that we had to get Patrick up so early, but it's the last time Last time until oh, did you add me to the public thing? No No, I said I'll worry about that later That's an excellent choice I don't know. I don't know who knows maybe it's Not the last time Yeah, when you're coming over across the ocean again in time Actually, I'm gonna do that for BlizzCon in November. Okay, I will be in San Francisco Oh really through horrible timing. Yeah, oh Okay, we're planning a certain laser event science festival And it was planned to announce the BlizzCon dates, so Okay, so Okay, that's good to know actually because I was kind of assuming that you would be there and I could crash at your place Oh, you probably still can because I'm only up in San Francisco for the time that the BlizzCon is actually happening when you'll be down that that end of the county and down in Orange County anyway, and Then I lean will be okay But so you're not going to BlizzCon at all. No, I won't be able to go to BlizzCon I know That's too bad sad for me It is too bad. I Wanted to go. I wanted to go That's all right, we're gonna have fun. I just wish the two things weren't at the same time. That's all Yeah, so when is your Your San Francisco thing it's that Friday Or Saturday, sorry. I leave on Friday. So it's this Saturday. Wow Okay, I still have to nail that down With Belmont This is gonna be them. Don't you know it's BlizzCon, right? Well. No, that's the problem We didn't like this was all planned and settled and then BlizzCon came out I'm like, when is BlizzCon ever happened on the same date two years in a row, right? Oh You guys Where's BlizzCon being held in exactly the same place it always is being held at the Anaheim Convention Center, right by Disneyland and No, it's not later start time for DTNS for not Patrick Oh is diamond club TV didn't pick up didn't pick up our video for some reason. We're live though That's why they're asking. Yeah, I think that's why and W. Scott us is very very nice to give the video link Okay, well, let's get going ready I was born ready That was the sleepiest born ready. I've heard yeah, I know I didn't say I was born awake. I said Money burning a hole in your pocket then your money's probably on fire seek medical attention If you want to support your favorite podcast, however, go to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, June 7th, 2016, I'm Tom erin joining me today Early in the morning in Japan. Mr. Patrick Beja. Thank you for getting up early one last time before you head back to Europe Yeah, it's it's 5 30 here And I'm not guaranteeing I'm gonna be entirely awake during the show But yeah, it is the last time and it's very bittersweet feeling I'm I'm happy to be going home, but sad to be leaving. I'm sure many people know that feeling sure sure I've had that feeling before too And then you've been there quite a bit longer than I've ever stayed outside of my home When when do you actually leave when you head back a couple of days on the 10th? And I so it will have been about two months and 10 days. So that's a hefty chunk of time But I'm going back to to cover E3 and I Realize that it's the most horrible timing because actually the jet lag is gonna be the worst possible way And I'm gonna be super perfect. You'll be all of the WWDC and E3 It will just distract you so much you'll be so jazzed by all the great announcements You won't even care. I won't remember. I'm sleepy. Exactly All right, we're gonna talk about foldable screens bendable screens They've been promised for years, but it looks like we might actually see some within the next year We'll tell you about that and more after the headlines Snapchat is redesigning its discover section That's the one that has major publishers like Vox and Vogue and other publications that don't begin with V That create their own little feeds of videos They're gonna let publishers include an image and a headline in the discover section and now Live stories those curated stories from the public are going to live next to the discover selections on both the stories and discover Page so they're gonna mix those up a little bit since it seems like everybody just looks at the live stories Not the publisher pages Publishers also get a subscribe function by tapping and holding during a story and that will add it to your list of my stories Underneath all your friends. So you'll see all your friends first and then it'll take you into whatever publication you have subscribed to Snapchat's just becoming functional. It seems like and and trying to chase those ad dollars from the publishers Yeah, it seems there they're trying to get public stuff more in front of everyone's eyes I'm wondering if we're reaching the point where Snapchat is getting so mainstream that the the kids are Gonna get away from it and find something else that I keep Cure and for because Snapchat was a reaction to Facebook Twitter, etc Where everything was saved forever, right? Snapchat arose because there was the problem of oh I have to go delete photos from my Facebook profile because I interviewed for a job So this was a way to safely share stuff that went away And then it grew and it still has that root of ephemerality, but it's it's become something else What is that next wave? That is really interesting to me Like is it I don't think it's a yak-yak. I think yak-yak has its own temporal nature of localized conversation But I'm waiting waiting to hear what that with that next reaction will be I'm wondering how much of the the draw of Snapchat was also the fact that it was just different and weird and You know, it was just at the beginning at least it was just the kids that understood it even Yeah, oh, I think that's part of it too. It just has to be different. Yeah Yeah, maybe it it needs to be something even weirder and more different send your suggestions at feedback at David J Vr. It'll be V snapbook All right, let's move on. Oh or not. Let's talk about VR the CC Vive is back in stock. Hooray and shipping within three business days Of orders in 24 countries pre-orders made through retailers are being fulfilled This week as well starting in June the Vive will be available for demos in Microsoft stores GameStop Microcenter and elsewhere. So remember they put the pause on the orders there For it but it seems like they're caught up all the pre-orders should be fulfilled by the end of the week They've already fulfilled all their own direct pre-orders And they're just doing the ones that were through retail and then they're gonna start showing it off to people I mean, I think it's too early to declare any of these headsets the winner by any stretch But HTC Vive is definitely leading the pack. It's the one I hear people talking about most It's the one in the most people's hands so far, which is Interesting because it is definitely the second mover here It is and you know the other surprising thing is that it seems that people this is completely anecdotal I think has anything of that nature, but people are saying that Room scale VR is where it's at This is where it really makes sense to have this kind of experience It makes me a little bit worried though because I'm not sure how usable that's gonna be for most we all Jay Dedicated room in every home. So that's a little bit farther off Yeah, man I I have to say now having been able to try both in my own home The Vive definitely has the better experience for me But the Oculus was so much easier to sit down and use because I didn't have to like have this whole room size space So it's both a blessing and a curse I think While Lenovo said it will not come out with a new razor It is going to announce new products on Thursday, June 9th So very sad about the razor, but you know, we'll find out what they're gonna give in fact One of the things they're going to announce is involving VR chip maker Movidius issued a press release today that it will provide myriad two chips to be used in a series of AR and VR products from Lenovo the myriad two is used for computer vision in the DJI Phantom 4 if you're wondering where you heard that name before That quadcopter uses it for collision avoidance and some other things It could also be used for positional tracking without external sensors, which no Self-contained headset or mobile type headset has yet first of the series is dedicated a Dedicated mobile VR device set to debut in the second half of 2016 again These aren't leaks Movidius just came out with their press release saying hey, we're doing this for these products for Lenovo You'll find out more on Thursday. I'm sure Yeah, I'm wondering why they wouldn't do a razor Every every time anyone buys Motorola. I think they should do a razor And that video where they showed like the razor was amazing and it's we're we're bringing back that spirit It's like but then you have to bring out a razor if you if you play that card. I'm sorry Even if it's just some yeah, like like bendable smartphone and what we'll talk about some of those like it has to be Like you can't do that. You can't tease us with a razor and then be like, oh, no That was that was just Yeah Yeah, and and by the way, this is how unexciting someone new getting into the VR space has become because everyone's doing it That we're just talking about the razor and not the VR thing for them. But yeah Twitter now. Oh good No, no, go ahead. No after you sir. So I Twitter announced a redesigned Android app with no new functionality But using Google's material design look tabs replace buttons for timelines moments notifications and messages a Floating action button is back for composing your tweets other menu items like settings are in menu in a menu accessed by tapping The profile icon. Yeah, I found the Twitter app on Android to be a little clunky So these these are some nice tweaks I don't really I'm not one of those fans of the material design who gets super excited But I know those people are out there. So they'll be happy to I'm actually glad to see them Just clean up the interface a little rather than actually shove a bunch of new features in at the same time to be honest And you know going to material design is it's gonna look nicer on your phone, too. So the proposed U-tronic communications privacy act mandates a warrant for the government to access email on online data You might think that's a really good thing Maybe you don't But it has been passed by the house in the United States and is pending in the Senate So there is now a proposed amendment. This amendment goes the other direction the proposed amendment would allow the FBI to access electronic communication transactional records something you might hear called ECTRs with a national security letter. Remember the national security letter doesn't require a warrant So the bill just to be clear that says you're gonna need a warrant to get email and online data Might have an amendment that says well unless it's ECTR then you could just do a national security letter ECTR includes things like your domain names visited it won't give you the full URL of actual pages But it will say what domain names you visited Email metadata IP addresses and therefore because of IP addresses you can do some geolocation So a letter was written today by the ECTR coalition that includes among others Facebook Google Yahoo the Electronic Frontier Foundation arguing that ECTR could be used to deduce personal information about people things like medical problems and whatnot are not far-fetched to to deduce from this sort of information and They make the case that the FBI in the past has abused its national security letter authority and therefore they shouldn't be given added authority They're referring to a 2007 audit by the office of the inspector general that found the FBI collected information not permitted under the NSL authority and then used stored information in cases not relevant to the original Investigation that the NSL was drafted for The amendment is being voted on by the US Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday If it passes there then it will go into consideration with the rest of the electronic communications privacy act You know what's really interesting is that it feels that these topics are being Seriously debated at this point. It's not I think just a couple of years ago or maybe three years ago When did Snowden get the things out? So before that That wouldn't even have grabbed anyone but the hacker media's attention So overall, that's probably a good thing and senator Ron Wyden has come out in opposition of this amendment I I have to say I don't have a problem with ECTR being used with a warrant I I do find these national security letters to be a little fast and loose there are more more Bits of accountability on them than people think But I'm pretty sure they should be limited in use and they're used in the tens of thousands So yeah, like you say Patrick it is part of a broader debate about what is actually necessary And I think when you have when you have the house and Senate saying, you know what? We need to rein things in You shouldn't be surprised to see a certain group push to open it back up a little if they can Yeah, since that that was the point of the whole the whole thing and it's like yeah, we need and I think Not to go back into the whole conversation But I think the national security letters are as a an idea something that I don't think most people would be opposed to in principle But the real problem is every time you you get those kinds of mechanics in place Then you also open a room for abuse and I think in the case of the national security letters It most people would agree that it they have been abused So the fact that they're trying to squeeze them into this as well is at least I think a concern and people should look into it I think what I might be comfortable with personally is you create a new piece of legislation around national security letters that gives them better Oversight and auditing and prevention against being used for the wrong reason And then then you put this amendment in But don't put it in the other one that they don't think it belongs there. Yeah, there you go Tom merit fixing America's legislative issues one at a time Ben Bajarin the Heron I think the Heron Let's go with the Heron Ben Bajarin writing on tech pinions and recode describes two studies He helped conduct about voice interfaces among the findings the Amazon echo is used mostly in the kitchen and the living room While Siri and Google are mostly used in the car and at home the top three use cases for the echo were music Lights and timer while the top uses for Siri and Google was search Siri is the most used voice interface on mobile and respondents generally said they would use voice interfaces more often If they work better and recognize natural language more Yeah, so the the upshot of of Bajarin's piece here is we Actually are using these things we like them and they're not even optimal yet. It's not just early adopters who are using them They did it the study on the Amazon echo was with early adopters but the study that looked at Siri and Google use was using was with mainstream users and We like them. We just want them to work better We want them to do more than just search the reason search is the top use is because that tends to be what you end up defaulting to When you ask something because there's not as many other things that it can do yet Whereas the Amazon echo had with all of its skills, etc. Can do more Cortana can do more So I think we're going to continue to see these things improve and and that's where Bajarin says This is going to become the dominant interface down the road because people are hungry for it. They want to use it I think there's there's a lot of I don't want to say it It's certain but there would be a lot of opportunity we keep talking about a virtual assistance and AI being the next interface after you know touch and mouse and keyboard and it could possibly a third one maybe even a dominant one I Think for me the thing that is sort of holding me back is that it feels like it doesn't feel natural yet That's that's what he's saying and it's a pretty obvious thing But I was thinking about this and I'm not gonna say the words But when when you have to sort of raise your voice and think I'm addressing that thing in the room Then it is it feels weird even when you're alone, but if you can just say Something to it like you would be talking to a friend that is that is in that same room and not have to sort of Transform your speech. I think at that point it becomes incredibly useful Yeah, I agree like I've definitely found myself getting a little testy when I had to repeat something Add chocolate chips to shopping list and then it responds is like okay I've added chocolate chips your shopping list and it's normal tone and I'm like, thank you like I just involuntarily like yeah I'm sorry. I got mad at you Yeah, you want you want those interactions to feel more natural so that you don't have to think about like how Do I phrase this? Yeah, and even you know even the volume of the voice? I think you you even when you don't need to do it There's a point at which you you stop your yourself and you change your speech better and and and you're saying you know Imagine if you could just say like I say if I could just say in the room like hey, dude Can you tell me what time it is or you know and that's not the way you address those virtual assistants yet? And I'm saying hey dude because I'm young and hip right But I'm just trying to avoid saying the specific words, but at the point where that's how you speak to it Yes, that I can absolutely see it becoming much more useful Yeah, I mean just this morning because I use it I use my Amazon Echo mostly for a shopping list That is my primary use for it and I was like okay add lettuce to shopping list add Carrots to shop. I'm like why can't I just say add carrots lettuce, you know and list it off It doesn't it just you know it will do that, but it'll make it one long entry on the shopping list So I think by her and is right We we have a way to go they need to be improved But they are improving and people do seem to like being able to use it of course that big story that's going around today of the woman in Karen's Australia who dropped her phone while racing to her sick child who stopped breathing But because she calls her husband who's in the Navy regularly While putting kids to bed and knew how to use the hands-free had the presence of mind to just say hey to the phone Call 911 or what it's not 911 in Australia, but call emergency services and emergency services were able to come So I mean yeah, could she have reached down and picked up the phone and found the dial? Sure, but when seconds count that was one less thing She had to think about and and those kind of situations certainly are common at least hopefully not But it does show that this is starting to permeate how we live and work because that was an emergency situation She wasn't planning out every move. It was just the first impulse for her was to like oh, well I'll just talk to it because I dropped it and Completely unrelated. I'm sure there are many reasons for this, but why isn't it 911 in every country? Just let's make it easier. We'll know it will watch movies We'll you know see what I you know, we're I agree. That's one of the you know, I don't like to to push the American hegemony Necessarily and when it doesn't need to happen, but this is one case where I'm like, yeah, it's pretty good. That's pretty good system there Get behind it. Yeah. Hey, man. It was the Frenchman who said it this time Living in Japan not me Ignite Protect wants to provide selective encryption and control over data residency and retention for both your locally stored data and your cloud stored data So it doesn't matter where it is They will analyze it software as a service Analyzes documents and file activity to decide whether or not to allow action So for instance, it can you can be programmed You can set it up to say like be careful with social security numbers So if it sees a file that has a social security number and it's being shared outside the company, let's say it stops it It says that no, you're not supposed to do that Ignite says it can detect malicious behavior like ransomware and stop it before it starts encrypting drives Ignite Protect However, we'll only be available to enterprises and there's no freemium version here It's just a paid product a revolutionary new business model from ignite That's what you can do when you when you target enterprises, I think So this is basically AI for File management and I think they're setting it up to have some machine learning I'm not sure how much machine actual machine learning they can they can claim, but it's data analytics for sure Hmm, that's that's interesting. It's getting everywhere. Yeah Bloomberg reports its sources says it say Samsung is considering introducing two new smartphone models with bendable LED screens one model would fold in half like a cosmetic compact The other would have a five-inch a five-inch screen that could unfurl into a display as large as eight inches The devices are supposedly part Of and could be announced as early as February 2017 at Mobile World Congress So we've been hearing about project Valley for a long time But Bloomberg has a pretty good record with this sort of thing and I would expect This the one thing that surprised me about it was they said that this would not be Sam Again and that is something we had heard is Galaxy X would be the next thing after the S And it might have bendable foldable screens in it I would think it'd be interesting if they came out with a new line But it looks like we are finally Patrick finally going to end up in the land or or valley I guess in this case of Roll-up screens that I back in the scene at buzz out loud days I was saying yeah I want to I want a screen that just snaps in like a window shade into my phone and then I could just pull it out As long as I want Well, are we finally there though? 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Okay, you sound skeptical that this will actually happen But let me I present to you Patrick the evidence Samsung did show off a rollable 5.7 inch display at SID display week back in May Slashgear still has the video up you can take a look at it was a 1080 by 1920 screen 386 ppi I get it not OLED didn't have the touch sensors didn't have any protection to it But that's what they're showing off in public They've probably got something better behind the scenes that maybe by 2017 they could show off and maybe by the end of 2017 be able to put into production There's also loads of other people LG had a prototype 18 inch rollable screen at CES this year Even as far back as a couple years ago Sony and Sharp were showing off bendable rollable screens There's even a flip phone already in China from Samsung called the SMW 2016 Which is bendable? It's got two AMOLED screens So it's the screen isn't bendable, but they already have the form factor They just need to make that one screen and then it could be something that starts off as you know two three inch Super AMOLED screens, but then folds out into a six inch one So I think the technology seems to be almost there But there are a couple of things first of all there's this time in technology where It's almost looks like it's gonna be here in a few months or maybe a year maybe two, but then it takes five and That's you know the first general observation of technology in general, but also what we've been seeing with these Prototypes that have been demoed for years that are incredible already. You know, there is I think especially in the resolution and The PPI is pretty amazing, and I don't think I would have expected them to be that advanced already but They still have the bulky You know electronics part at the edge, and they still have you know how bendable are they? Can you actually fold it in two and is the isn't the crease going to be an issue in the middle and the These kinds of so on the technology side. I'm not sure we're quite Where want to be for these kinds of products yet and the other thing that is not a concern But makes me gives me a little bit of pause is the reports that they're not going to be you know top and Products that are gonna be you know the top line products for Samsung it feels like they might be this weird little side thing for a little while still a little while yet and The and not to be the the our fantasies at this one. They're exploring the space still I First heard about rollable bendable screens in the mid-2000s So I'm gonna argue that we've been through that it's coming soon But it actually took five years and that this this feels like the right time we're like, okay We'll finally get a product But you bring up a very good second point there that Samsung seems to be wanting to test the waters with some cutting-edge models be like these aren't galaxies These are just we're just gonna put these out here and see what the early adopters think of them In which case you may be right. We're still a couple of three years out from that hitting any kind of mainstream use And I think brings up. Oh, go ahead. Yeah Also, you know, I'm not saying we're not gonna see the products. I think it's we're there I'm just saying I'm not sure it's the products that you want them to be right the not yet See yeah Do we want them though? What is that product that we want? I think I want this because it looks really cool in that 2014 The Showed the guy at the coffee shop who just folded up his phone and put it in his pocket And then the next guy that came down just had a little thin bar that he like pulled it out Get like a window shade and it was like whoa look at that. You got an eight-inch screen there that Sounds cool. Let's say they could actually do that Is that really useful? Is that really what like do we need that? Is it just because oh, I can keep a tablet in my coat pocket, right? I guess I guess I still think so, but I also doubt my own cell phone that one. I Think I think that is the I would say that's the product we want. I think there is some Clearly used for tablets on the market, but it's not it's sort of hampered by the fact that it's a separate device And that you don't always have it on you and all of this and I think if we have let's not even go to the crazy town type of technology where you can actually roll out the thing from a tiny you know, I Don't know a tiny cylinder that rolls into an 18 in screen. I think that is a little bit too Optimistic at this point But already That is standard phone size That even it's a if it's a little bit thicker if it can unfold into You know two or three pains that make it into a full-sized tablet I think there is a real use case for it Maybe it's because I'm using my tablet a lot. Do you use it the tablet on a regular basis? I do I have a Nexus 9 that I use every morning for looking over the news and stuff and obviously I have an iPad Pro That I use here for for music stuff and and I use it for prompter as well All right, so let me ask you the question the other way around Why would you not want to phone that unfold into a tablet? the only thing I can think of and I think you've addressed this already is In that little one where it's like oh, I it's a little bar and then I pull it out to get the screen I don't want to have to pull it out on the go to get the screen It's gonna be floppy I want to be able to pull something out and access it right away, right in which case your other idea which You know kind of steps it back a little bit from that is the better one where wow I could have a four-inch phone which is much easier to grab out of my pocket easier for me to handle with one hand While I'm running through the airport But then when I sit down on the plane Suddenly I just unfold it and it's a six-inch phone or if I want to watch a movie unfold it one more time And it's an eight-inch tablet like that kind of form factor. I think would be incredibly useful All right, so then let me ask you this I'm trying to be not Mr. Negativity here, but let's look at the other side of everything sure In theory again, it works perfectly you unfold it the screen is beautiful And you just you know you have a tablet where you you had none But in reality What if there's this crease in the middle because the screen is folded and I don't really see how you cannot have a crease Again in theory, it's kind of possible already to create a Device that would be that would have two screens with a very minimal separation in the middle that could unfold and become a bigger screen So I think technologically it's almost almost possible to have these kinds of devices yet It's not that you know, we see some but they're not taking off. No one is using these kinds of things I don't think they'll have creases. I really don't I think that that they will be thicker thick enough that a crease won't form And then that that's got to be one of the things that they're testing for is to be like We have to make sure that this thing doesn't End up having a crease at least in the first year of use I Totally just being polyana optimistic there when I say that but I feel like that's possible Okay, so you would want a let's say double the Thickness phone so that you can unfold it into Well, I that that is a good question. Would it have to actually end up being quite a bit thicker would it be heavier? I Feel like no, I feel like if they're doing this right They'll be able to have the thickness be just the thickness needed for the components You know for the chips and we can we can get some pretty powerful stuff in a small form factor there and we Which Kate the screen? I don't think adds that much thickness to it Even when you fold it up a couple times, right the prototypes We've seen at least to have some amount of electronics at some point connected to the screen But definitely the screens themselves are incredibly thin So it I could see this happening Maybe you want the the that back of the screen to have a little bit of rigidity So you're gonna add some kind of plastic or aluminium or something protection to yeah, and the tech sensors everything but it but it could be relatively thin so Use cases are we just looking at you know a phone that doubles the the the screen real estate? And that's it or do we have other crazy use? Yeah, man. I peeped email us if you can think of others because for me being able to adapt the screen size to my needs is Paramount to me. That's that then I don't have to have both a tablet and a phone And you know like I can get rid of a few form factors because I can put them all in one But what what are we missing? What other things would that allow you to do? Give us a give us an email feedback at daily tech news show calm I get our pick of the day from Ian and sunny San Diego today He says this is one this one's for Tom and all the other Google music fans out there If you're tired of loading up Google music in a web browser hitting your media keys f7 f8 f9 to no avail Radiant player is an open-source desktop app for OS 10 that provides rock solid media key support and a mini player in your Taskbar and Google Chrome I would always have CPU and our memory issues with leaving Google music running in a tab that radiant seems to manage Those resources better as well. If you're a MacBook user and Google music lover Definitely want to get radiant player. It's on get hub and we'll have the the link in the show No, it's bear dot get hub dot IO. I Don't understand why people wouldn't want to use iTunes. What's what's the problem? I don't I don't see it I mean, yeah, you've got plenty of RAM and CPU Like why not just have that thing launched all the time Send your pics to us folks feedback at daily tech news show calm You can find more pics at daily tech news show comm slash picks few emails to get to today Scott Loved hearing our discussion with Veronica yesterday about passwords Scott says I have fairly strong passwords myself But I feel the strength of the password almost doesn't matter with two-factor authentication enabled Does it really matter if my password is dah dah dah if I have to FA turned on? I'd rather have a weak password and two-factor authentication than a very strong password and no two-factor authentication That is not untrue However, why do you have to choose? I mean, obviously, I think dah dah dah is is ridiculously Simple, but you could have a slightly more complex password and to FA So yeah, I you know I feel the same way for myself, but I've heard very compelling arguments from people who are like look I'm trying to get people who won't stop using the same password everywhere to do Something more secure and if I can say look all right fine Just just use the a word with some numbers in it instead of vowels It's gonna be a short word just use a different one every time as long as you have two-factor authentication Then I can see that argument. I can see that side of the argument in implementation Because yeah, if you have two-factor authentication the password strength isn't as much of a problem But on the other hand the whole reason have two-factor authentication is that there are two factors So I personally would like to make both those factors as strong as possible just in case just be in paranoid But I agree that if you have to choose one I would rather have two FA then a strong password if you have to choose between the two Yeah, you only have one then if you're dealing with someone who's like I can't remember all these passwords I don't want to use a password manager Then yeah, maybe just make sure that that two-factor authentication works. Well, not all two-factor Authentication's work the way they are supposed to so that's that's part of it as well Do you have to make it more complicated every time Tom? It's just reality William wrote to point out that most password security software is difficult or impossible to use if you're blind Speaking of making things more difficult last pass icons For instance the last-pass edit boxes neither one are usable by screen readers Google authenticator Authy even squirrel are all requiring vision to take a picture or align a code or something like that He's like, yeah, you can do two-factor authentication with text which is better But that can be a problem when your whole number is 836 You know 836 710 and your screen reader reads it out 836 710 you try to remember that whole number And then by the time you go to enter it your time sensitive code is expired and you got to go get another code William says I want to protect my accounts, but until someone builds an accessible desktop and mobile app I'm stuck. Please don't forget or ignore what might seem like a small group Yeah, that that is actually something really interesting. I think it would be really cool to have an accessible App for that. Yeah, and it's important, you know, just because someone Has visual impairment or or is deaf There there should not be No security option for them and he had a lot more to say on this if you're interested will have his full email in the show notes Finally Ron says would you consider a pre-show warning like the following program contains audio that will activate your voice control devices? Pay my mortgage. Thanks a lot Belmont. Here's my question Which devices could be updated so they only respond to the owner's voice? Didn't an HTC smartphone have that feature a while back wasn't thrilled about the echo Don't care to listen to clock radio quality speakers, but purchased a dot connected it to a good set of speakers And I love it. However watching DTNS is a pain unless I mute the dots Mike So what would happen if I get the dot to play DTNS and the content the dot is playing says the wake word So that actually happens on several occasions one of the most memorable ones was a Microsoft press conference that you could watch on your Xbox one where they said the Deactivate words a couple of times and turn everybody's boxes off. Yeah, which everybody who was watching the press conference So yeah, that that does happen. However, I know that Siri actually has that feature already. It's supposed you can I believe I can't remember if it's an option, but it's definitely possible to train it to recognize your voice specifically can't remember if it's active by default and you have to train that every time you want to activate the you know hands-free thing for the phone when it's Connected to the power outlet or even not anymore when it's That's the one the lady used with her baby. Yeah, so anyway, yeah, it's it works with your voice specifically That's the way supposed to work now. Well Byron has another another solution for it He said how cool would it be if after your voice activation command you could have a setting that requires the device to hear a Authorization phrase so you say the trigger word then authorization Picard Omega four before the command would actually go through That way all of us mentioning the trigger words wouldn't have to avoid them because we don't know the individual extra phrase that goes with everybody's device or Maybe even easier you can design your own activation phrase So if you wanted to be just you know before you issue a command you wanted it to activate when you say authorization Picard Omega four Then that that could work and then your Amazon Echo explodes because that was actually override for the self-destruct Gotta be careful All right, that is it for this episode of Daily Tech news show. Thank you. Thank you. 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Then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants comm Diamond club helps you have enjoyed this bro Boom, I know I know laptops with foldable screens that make bigger screens when you open the laptop Wait a minute So you could have the 13-inch screen when you're on the airplane Then you could have the 15-inch screen just pull it out a little more when you're at the kitchen table And then you want to watch a movie in the hotel room you could bring it to the 20-inch screen Is that what you're saying? Basically, although if they the screens probably aren't going to expand in both axes So I don't know but you could some there's ought to be a way to figure that out where you could just pull It yeah, you pull it and then you rotate it and Are you where your VR headset and then you just work on a virtual like 13 story tall screen? Your headset with foldable screens, so it's like it's this tiny thing and you unfold it in front of your eyes Thank you beatmaster gently pre-rolled for easy consumption See Titles yes, please Bend is the top one. Yeah, follow it bend Yes It's gonna be floppy. Oh what happened to your picture? It's gonna be floppy floppy phones Connect the dots vibes about the vibe No such letter Bend it like Samsung You don't like happy beja sleepy beja pur pur pur But where is that? Oh? I see that it's got two votes Purr purr purr. Do you have cats at home Patrick? No, I don't but I I purr myself I had a couple myself I had it's not me. It's just reality Which I thought was cool. All right, no reaction the valley of bendable screens I think that's a poetic title. Oh, yeah, because it's project Valley. I like that Oh, how about Samsung folds and rolls over in a good way. Yeah Samsung fold and rolls over for any transformers fans Samsung droids roll out Roll out I like will it bend actually it's pretty you want to go and bend. Yes. Yeah, it's a good one Let's do that. And that's perfect timing because I needed it right then Will it bend? I don't know And I have to remember to change I'm putting all the host names in the ID three tags except for the days that I forget to change them and then I have the wrong host names and I don't know if it's hangouts, but it's Or or chrome or whatever, but it every time I have a hangout on it. So it feels like the computer Sub-suit crawl and actually now I think it's hangouts I have a question for both of you. Did you notice any of your streams kind of stutter a little bit only in Patrick's Not yours Roger because I noticed both of yours in between Yeah, you know It's it's fine. Okay There's nothing we could do about it. It's true. Okay, point it out and then make everybody else go Oh, yeah, I noticed that too and now I'm less satisfied So Chrome is really not happy about something I don't know what's happening, but it's Yeah, I'd I had no problems getting Roger though, which is weird Maybe right now chrome is is doing weird weird thing. It's just eating up all your all your processes It's it's like it's dividing every page every web page. This is actually very strange It's dividing every web page into tiles and choosing to display some of them and not others So weird. Oh, like it's only part of showing part of the page Yes, we don't see a video in the way that I It came back for me. Yeah, I don't see it anymore. Oh Wait, I don't see it when I see him in the little window, but that's just a still image. Oh, I see what you're saying Chrome is trying to erase your presence from I Google would try and get me some day. I was trying to update during the show on me Thank you so much. Tenvec said exactly the the reason that I don't end up getting too worked up about this stuff He said with other software. I Will say that I missed everything you just said because it just paused Tenvec says sadly it doesn't get better with other software. Oh and it does it Well, I've had better luck with the Skype honestly I haven't I've had just as many problems with Skype like I use hangouts every day for almost three years now I can tell you I've had just as many problems with Skype Fine then. Okay. I have to relaunch Chrome now. This is ridiculous. Yeah, there's some browser weirdness What if this is one passive aggressive way someone like Google trying to get back at management? I Don't think so. I think it's just It's software. It's like doing a really complicated thing and sometimes it just doesn't work very well Trying to figure out why a Particular bug is happening on a particular day with software like this is a religious exercise Religious, it's like why is it rain sometimes? Let's let's let's you know when people are like, oh, it's because of Google Maybe maybe it is. Maybe it's not. I don't know You know, you just got rid of everything after the second O and replaced it with D It's just got just decided to make it that way That's just the way it is Still no video from you. I hasn't turned it on yet. Oh, really? It was supposed to Didn't turn on but I do like that still image of you though Yes, it's very much of the I'm the author of this book that you just bought Well, maybe I am how do you know I'm not have you written a book recently? Yeah, I don't know Chrome I mean hangouts seem to be Incredibly resource-intensive. Well, the browser. Yeah, Chrome the browser is incredibly resource-intensive And then you put hangout on top of it It can be nightmarish. Is it better with the other browsers? Um, I don't know. I flipped back and forth I've gone through periods where I had to use Safari for a long time and then I went but then it had an issue So I went back to Chrome and it was fine. I will say with Safari and this is my own This is just what I've noticed initially it uses the same level of resources as Chrome but after 30 minutes it goes down and I'm not sure if that's just Like you just figures out like oh, it does only really needs this. Yeah, I'd like there's just all kinds of confirmation biases and Correlation not think it's not magic. Yeah, I feel like it's Matt. It's all magic magic heresy Magic cast, you know, is there a magic cast wonder? That's that's one of the most frustrating things I have when dealing with Trying to do tech support for people other people Is when they're like, yeah, but why is it doing that and having to be like, no, no There's all kinds of regular things you can try and then that might make it go away But it is you know at this level It's augury. It's you know Augury, I think your your first mistake is to do tech support for other people. Oh, I tried not to believe me You know when you have family members though, it's Kind of obligatory there is no oh, I want to opt out of it. I'm not gonna tell my dad. No, I Would love to but I can't I think those of us who work with technology regularly understand that it doesn't always act the same way right And it's really hard to get people to understand that who are like no But when I you know when I start my car it starts and if it doesn't start a ticket to the mechanic It's like, yeah, it's amazing technology. You just especially with software. You just got a restart You know see but the mechanics kind of tell you the same things like I don't know what's cause it It's like it doesn't it like it does weird things well sometimes. Yeah, but I think they're sure sure you could but I don't think it's Exactly this like with software. It's it's Kind of the only thing you can do sometimes is be like Yeah, I don't know whereas with a car if you absolutely don't know what's happening You might crash into a tree so usually that too. I just think it's while it does happen with cars Sometimes I don't think the incidences is high Jericho data on that I would like to see that too We also Cave cave 87 said wait till our cars go self-driving. Oh, you just reboot the car Well, I find that one a little bit fatuous to be like I don't want computers control in my car because guess what that you missed that boat. That's already happening I'm not I'm not saying that I don't want a car jet computer journey my car I just better have the SSD in it so it boots up fast If a car booted up Yeah, but this was windows is You're not gonna use a desktop operating system in a self-driving car though You might use a kernel. You might not use the rest of the US sure But I'm just saying it's not it's not gonna be windows 10 that's on same as on your desktop I think a lot of people pretend that that's what's gonna happen It'll be windows drive Drive with your windows down It'll be uber OS for Or Google Drive 75 Then it'll be really bloated And then we'll just be back to driving AMC gremlins I would be I would be totally fine with that those things move Can you still find AMC gremlins on the road? Yes It is it was ever it wasn't as popular as I thought it was but because it's basically an AMC hornet cut in half Pretty much all the spare parts your need. You can find somewhere in a wrecking yard. I Like that's a guy he wrote the pigeons kidneys say it's clearly stack overflow due to a bad sector Yes All right, I am out of the post. We are published You guys the best Thanks for watching. You're the best. Oh Goodbye audience