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Yeah, we just try to keep it simple Goodness, all right. Well everybody's ready. We can go ahead and get going. Let's do it. All right Well, look at you. All right, how about that? How about them Apple library and ask Here we go in three two Only you can keep the daily tech news show independence to find out more go to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday April 25th 2018 from our headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and joining us today from comedy film nerds very happy to have Chris Mancini back on the show Great to be back. Thank you to talk about. Yeah. No, we've got some we've got some film stuff to talk about We got some TV tech to talk about our producer Roger Chang deserves the thanks for bringing us all together here Yeah, no, I'm glad I could be here. It's really loud So if I sound like I'm old and hard of hearings because there's a guy hammering above me Yeah, we can't hear the hammering but Roger can trust it. I I can hear it Tom Can you but I thought that Roger was just like, you know enthusiastically stomping his feet So well because he does It's hard to tell which Let's start with a few tech things you should know Amazon has introduced the echo dot kids edition that adds a parental control dashboard and different colored cases Among the features are a one-year subscription to the free time-unlimited bundle of kids audiobooks apps and shows Child-friendly answers to questions and an explicit lyrics filter. It's available for pre-order now for $79 Facebook reported its revenue is 11.97 billion dollars for last quarter earnings per share were $1.69 So it made money and a beat analyst estimates, but did they have the same amount of people using Facebook with all the controversy? Yes, in fact, they had more daily active users grew 3.57 percent Which is faster than last quarter and monthly active users grew 3.28 percent, which is actually a little slower than last month So the people who are using it every month already used it more probably to check their privacy settings In the realm of Microsoft the company's next edition of Windows 10 code named at Redstone Five will offer a lean addition for devices with limited storage Microsoft will remove unnecessary components like reg at it. Excuse you I used to like reg at it and internet Explorer that are not usually used on cheap laptops and tablets Yeah, how is an internet Explorer not used on any laptop or unless you're in a business, right? There are businesses in fact internet Explorer has higher adoption on Windows 10 than edge the default browser Because all these businesses still use it and then they make all their employees use it. All right Yeah, so that's the only way people are using it is they're forced to exactly Let's talk a little bit more about Gmail There's a new Gmail coming if you haven't got it already Google's launching it starting Wednesday Although it's rolling out slowly so you may not see it yet among the new features are message Specific two-factor authentication Self-deleting messages in other words, they're never actually delivered You just pull them off a server and then you can delete them off the server the ability to revoke sent messages The ability to restrict forwarding copying or downloading You can also hover over an email in your list to take actions without having to open the message That includes snoozing it so that it just goes away for a period of time Gmail will also resurface emails that thinks have a time-sensitive nature that you might need to see again There's also a visual redesign They're adding tasks notes and calendar to the sidebar and the web version of Gmail now has an offline mode So if you're on an airplane, you don't want to pay for the internet you can still read helpful Yeah, the changes are going to roll out slowly users will be asked if you want to change You won't be forced to change right now and Google's also launching a standalone app called Google Tasks So that tasks that goes in the sidebar. You'll also be able to use as an app on its own Chris Would you ever snooze an email message knowing it's there? But wanting to not see it knowing that it will come back later. No, I wouldn't use that However, the one I would use is the one where you can take back a message you an email you sent Because we all write those emails that were like I will never send this and then oh, I accidentally sent it So Already a feature within Gmail as long as that, you know, you decided that within I don't think it was like five minutes Labs feature you could turn on. Yeah, and it was also available in G and Google's inbox program as well So so I think that's a good feature. So what are they doing making it more robust in the Available for everybody so you didn't have to know to go turn it on you'll just have the ability to do it, right? I think Google knows that, you know, the majority of people Everyone I know has a Gmail account, right? It's a leading Messages like mission impossible It'll explode with it But but at the same time, it's you know, there's a little bit of a you know It's a it's a little long in the tooth as far as email goes I mean, you know what I what I still love about Gmail is the idea that like if something doesn't apply to me anymore I just archive it rather than like worry about deleting it because that's what Gmail changed for me many many years ago but There are a lot of apps that do a lot of the stuff that I think that Google is now trying to You know add into Gmail so that whether or not you use a third-party app. It is more than just an email service It's yeah something that syncs to your calendar. Yeah, it sends stuff to your tasks Particularly for Android users. So I like the two-factor authentication Option as well because what the way that works is you you put in when you send the email the phone number of the person You're sending it to and then when they want to open it They have to request a code be sent to them by text message granted not the most secure way to do two-factor, but it's better than nothing and And then the only the person who has that phone number will be able to open that message So that's like an extra way to secure a specific. Yeah, exactly. So when you send that picture Intentionally, you can make sure only the person you wanted to see it Moving on to snapchat which announced Snappables today That's a our games that use either your touch your motion or your facial expressions to compete for high scores in a multiplayer scenario With other snap users friends or otherwise Snappables along with other snapchat lenses are rolling out globally this week with new games to set to be released in the weeks to come Here are some examples if you're like, what's a snappable? An asteroid style space shooter or a bubblegum popping contests or a weightlifting thing that you play by straining your foreheads Botox users need not apply a kiss-blowing game egg catching competition dance party Fun stuff. Did y'all look at the video of the demonstration of this? Yeah, I'm not saying I was dying to use it Anyway, but as soon as I watched the video, I was like, oh, I'm definitely never doing that Showing people on buses and trains because you're over 13. That's why true Thanks for outing me, but yeah Like I have a 13 year old I think she's gonna love it. Yeah, I could see that and we were just talking about snapchat with Lamar Wilson yesterday, right? and the idea of You know seeing snap commercials on network television and like what are they going for here? You know, this is not the older demo that they're going for it. That's Yeah, I Agree the lens stuff was stupid But still fun to play around with my wife had endless fun with the lenses on snapchat for the longest time She she does Instagram stories now because she's over 13. I guess But she knows where her audience is yeah, yeah, but they these things look dumber sometimes and then secretly they can be fun I guess I don't know No, nothing wrong nothing wrong. It's okay, you know, yeah, do you want to use it? I don't you know I think it's another go on. I think it's another great example of like companies Like snapchat the real is we have to remain relevant. We have to keep innovating and we're not necessarily sure which direction to go Let's try games. Yeah, and it's that kind of thing It's either gonna work or it isn't and then they'll try something else if it doesn't yeah If it doesn't work, they use those developers to make something else to try right the 43 inch Phillips momentum 4k display The model number is actually 436 m6 is the first display to get HDR 1000 certification that's the highest level of HDR certification. That means it's guaranteed to deliver a thousand Candela's per square meter of brightness Which in layman's terms is about two to four times as bright as most current displays It also needs to support a 955 to one contrast ratio. So nice deep blacks 10 bits per color of image processing and Cinema quality color gamuts. This is a very good looking monitor They also have a feature called multi view that'll let you simultaneously watch your PC screen and a set top box like a Roku which Seems odd in practice like it won't I could watch Netflix on the PC I guess but maybe I want to keep the cycles for some high-level video editing or something Anyway, the thing costs a thousand dollars Arriving this summer and I know some people are very excited about it because this is the way they watch television in movies Is on their computer monitor and they want a really good 4k monitor for that Chris I'm curious how you watch movies at home. I watch movies I have a 65 inch TV, but it's interesting before that we had a plasma Monitor that was a professional grade that we we ordered from Panasonic and we had it for years And years and years. We literally just got rid of our plasma like about a year ago, you know That means we've got rid of our plasma monitor Years after they stopped making them. Yeah, so they But it was a monitor because I have a surround sound set up I have a receiver and for anything streaming we would just go through the PlayStation like Netflix and those things But with the new smart TVs, I like being able to just go to Netflix and YouTube and Amazon through the TV And not have to boot up the PlayStation for it So it's a double-edged sword like when you have a monitor like I don't need speakers And I'd rather all the money be going into the display But I like the convenience of it being a smart TV and having the apps built-in. So I think it's a You gain some you lose some on like like if they made a monitor That was smart that had apps that didn't have speakers That would be the one thing I would definitely want that doesn't exist But you could you could do that yourself by buying one of those $30 dongles from Roku or Amazon that have all those apps same apps and That way, but that's the then I got to buy a dongle. Yeah, right, right. It's not all it's not all in one Don't want to break the bank Tom. Yeah So and I have the you know, but it's definitely easier using the smart TV than you know booting up the PlayStation again Everything. Yeah, for sure. You know, you're one of the only people who's like the smart TV apps are great Yeah, I'm having to use a set-top box where the rest of us are like smart TV app. Yeah Well, I only use three so I don't know how the other one and you said you got a newer TV So and the newer the newer smart TVs have gone Which one do you have? I have an LG. Oh, yeah. All right. That's that is actually the palm operating system Just oddly enough much updated Sources tell droid life that the rumored YouTube Remix music service will replace Google Play music when it launches later this year Google Play music is already part of YouTube red and includes YouTube music videos Google Play music also allows users to store MP3's in an online locker No word yet on whether or not the feature will survive YouTube did tell droid life quote will provide plenty of notice before any changes are made Remember Google I O starts on May 8th, so we're probably gonna find out more then Man, this is definitely one of those days where I get to be the guy who is mad that all the people who use the popular services don't understand Guarantee every person who wrote a story about this today uses Apple music or Spotify Because they all made it sound like Google Play music is gonna get replaced by videos And the fact is Google Play music is already part of YouTube red So if you pay for any YouTube service, you get it It already has videos included bunch of the other things that the droid life story said were about Customized playlist those are already in Google Play music what it sounds like to me might happen Is they're gonna take Google Play music they're gonna integrate it a little more into YouTube and rename it Which which I mean that was a long time coming right as a Google Play music user That would be great as they don't take away my locker service because that is the killer feature for me Is I can take all those weird nerdy mp3s from independent artists that aren't in any service and mix them in with all the rest of the Stuff that is in the service Now can you you can't do that with Spotify? No, you I do it's there are workarounds But it's not it's not like Google Play music where you just upload it and it's there right you have to do a Bunch of bunch of work to make that happen there and Amazon used to be one that would let you do it But they just took that feature away Well, it's then it's smart because it's offering a feature that no one else has you know, sometimes they bank on that And I hope they realize that that is a cool thing to keep doing when you rename the service We'll see yeah, it's gonna be gone isn't it? I'm totally The European Emergency Number Association announced a partnership with Corti C-O-R-T-I To provide real-time AI support for emergency dispatchers in detecting cardiac arrest So in other words if somebody calls the emergency service They're able to help diagnose them over the phone whether they're having a heart attack or not in a trial running Copenhagen Corti assisted calls recognized 95.3 percent of cardiac arrest calls while humans recognized 73.9 percent and the faster you recognize it the better chance You are saving someone's life Corti uses speech recognition to analyze patterns of communication So it pays attention to the tone of voice the breathing patterns if there are breathing difficulties Among several other signs and then delivers recommendations to the human dispatcher. It's not AI talking to someone It's just giving information so the dispatcher can make a better decision And the EENA is gonna start implementing Corti in four European countries yet to be determined by June What wouldn't the first thing if you called an emergency service be to say I'm having a heart attack Well, then the mystery would be gone if you know, but people sometimes are like I'm having trouble breathing And it's like well, is it an anxiety attack? It's sure sure something else. Yeah, you know some other you know Sickness some other illness and that's that's where this becomes helpful is to say okay Is the person actually having a heart attack? Sometimes people think they're having a heart attack and they're not too Right, so All those things this this AI interesting the you know the AI the AI conversation is is you know We we have a long way to go when it comes to you know How how AI can catch up to humans in some regards when it comes to this sort of thing You know, I don't know anybody who'd be like me now I prefer my doctor who might get it wrong more often than you know the robot version It's like this is actually a great use of AI because you still have the human in the equation, right? The human dispatcher is still making the call for now. I is just giving them more information Yeah, for now. Yeah Well, you know robot 911. What's your emergency? It just slowly edges the dispatcher out of its seat Yeah For the mainframe. Yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines available on the amazon echo google home the anchor app and of course at daily tech headlines dot com Cinema cons going on in los vegas right now and the national association of theater owners president John fivian has been on on stage Making veiled statements about all the tech companies That want to erode his business model Saying things like the movie industry is not a zero-sum game And the idea that younger adults aren't passionate moviegoers is a myth Now hollywood reporter has has a great article where it goes into some interviews with movie pass Executives at cinema con as well as movie pass is kind of one of the big tech company threats to theater owners But before we before we discuss movie pass. I just wanted to ask you chris Do if for instance Tomorrow every movie was available at home day and date. Would you still go to the theater? You know what I and we've actually had this discussion on the comedy film arts podcast is I would go see the movies that were meant to be on the screen And like avengers infinity war Something that looks great in 3d like all of the event movies I would definitely go see and and I would also go one further and say well So if I could get a dolby Atmos theater that has the you know the speakers on the ceiling and all the extra surround sound speakers But for a smaller film Um, I would definitely just see that at home. So I would I would split it like I It's not like I would never go again, but I would go for the Big epic event movies I would go but then the smaller Kind of talky dramas. I would say well, I can see this at home I think that's already happening for some people who like, you know I can wait the 30 to 90 days for that to show up at home. I don't need to go right sir I'm curious about you. Did what would you do the same thing? Uh, well, you know I already had this conversation with a lot of my friends, you know, somebody will say like great movie But you know what? Audio like you don't really need to you know, you know thx stuff Just wait for it to come to you know, you're your your home movie experience. Um, I'm not a regular theater goer I enjoy going to theater. I think that it is a Unparalleled experience that is different than watching anything on my couch. I don't care what the movie is whether it, you know Is some you know surround sound thing or not? But I don't go that often But when I do go it is different. It is an escape. I'm going to this thing that I'm doing I'm getting popcorn and I'm with strangers around me and we're laughing and we're crying and we're doing whatever so That experience, uh, I can't match that at home. You know, I I can't I never have been able to and I still respect that So it's an it's an outing like you go out like a lot of times when we go out We don't just go to the movies. We go out to dinner or it's Night yeah Yeah, it's stated or we we take the kids and then we don't see something and then we go up to dinner afterwards So it's more of an outing that's an event. So that component. I think will never go away because it It you know, no matter how great the surround sound or how big the tv is or you know A thousand k or whatever the new tv that just came out it. It doesn't match that whole feeling of going out to um, you know to see A movie and then going on afterwards talking about it, you know at dinner. It's it's just a uh a different experience Yeah, and like I know some people will disagree with me But for example, I saw the last Jedi which you know, I'm a star wars fan. I'm going to go see that in the theater That's what I'm going to do. I know that if I watch it, you know on my couch at home with my If only it was promoted better Yeah, right. Yeah, I knew it was happening before I I just sort of wandered into theater and it was fine But you know that that sort of thing is like that it's not even about the audio to me. It's not about the technology It's about like the like people around me and people are excited And whoo-hooing and you know clapping and like that you just can't get the at home It's a community experience. Yeah, what we're saying does not Contradict what John fithian was saying which is uh, hey younger adults are passionate moviegoers But they're passionate for these reasons right? They like the event They like the the sound effects the technology that a combination of all of those things The advantage theaters have Is that That that idea that you can get something here that you can't get at home Because it's either bigger or it's better or it's just community and and you know, you don't you can't replicate that But what theaters are known for doing is cracking down On the release time and the release period and saying well We need to force people to have to come here to see it or they won't see it now movie pass I think is brilliant because what it's identified is what stops people from going to the movies is cost Or ease and they're trying to make that easy and say look for 995 a month You can see a movie a day. Don't have to think about it anymore. You're just paying every month It's taken out. You don't have to think about it go see things whenever you want and their stats have shown That their users Tends to go to weekday movies daytime movies way more than the general populace Because they don't have to worry about well, is it worth my time? What if I have to leave early or what if I don't like the movie because they're not figuring that cost into it The the question might be seeing movies that they don't really care about because they're like Because why not you know, let's take a photo on it I'll take a chance on this movie because it's not costing me anymore Right and the question is can they make enough money now movie pass says it makes a profit on 88 percent of its subscribers Because most people don't see more than one movie a month even though they can I'm skeptical of that number. It sounds high doesn't it? Yes Especially because the whole reason that you would get movie pass on a monthly basis Is to see more than one movie a month And they have two million subscribers as of february I can't imagine that 1.8 million of them Failed to see a second movie in a month, but the other way they want to make money is selling analytics to studios and providing Kickbacks to theater or getting kickbacks to theaters for promotion saying hey Well, we'll tell people to go to your theater at the top of the app So they're more likely to go there and deals with restaurants Which ties into what you're saying chris like making an evening of it if you've got movie pass And it's like hey, we'll give you 20 off at the restaurant around the corner Then they can make money that way The question is as fast as movie pass is growing as great of a deal as it is as much as they say like Ah, no, we're going to be making money by 2019. Don't worry about it. Do you think they really can survive? Honestly, I'm skeptical and the reason is the business model because ultimately it's a um It's all about how many movies you're going to consume and the whole Idea and the whole lure of movie pass is that you pay a low fee to see as many movies as you want But movie pass loses money every time you go see a movie So it's a question of you know, are they going to raise the price? Are they going to limit the amount of movies you can see? Can they make these deals with studios? The other thing that is an A barrier to entry is not all movie theaters participated like a good example is arc light I I see all my movies at the arc light and because it's closest and it has the best selection of movies Movie pass they're not accepted there. So you have a couple barriers still to this. I really think that You're going to see their business model change As as we progress within the next, uh, you know, six months to a year Whether that means raising prices limiting it or opening it up to more theaters Like maybe there'll be like a premium account where you pay a little bit more and you can use these theaters like arc light or You know the the new theaters that offer food that are more expensive So the basically because you have a theater system that's tiered You have cheaper movie theaters and then you have more expensive ones So, you know, how is movie pass going to um navigate that that'll be an interesting thing to see that they do So I as of right now, I think it's not a sustainable business model But I think there's things that they can do to make it that way And right now you can't get the nine ninety five a month all you can eat You have you you can only get a deal that's one movie a week and includes iHeart radio for free So they've they've already started to to mess with the formula TV But I don't want tv, but it's somehow cheaper. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I don't I don't I don't You know, I want movie pass. I don't need iHeart radio with it. No, thank you. Yeah Let me see another movie My my guess is they'll bring back the all you can eat, but it'll be $15 not $10 Right and the reason because they don't need theaters permission To include them because just an authorized credit card. I'm guessing they're negotiating with arc light right now And they're saying hey look at all these uh people were sent into landmark You want in on that? You know, we'll we'll include you because it's it's that's how they operate. It's all about negotiations Yeah, yes so there's uh, i'm sure there's some backdoor wheelings and dealings that are going on right now because uh You know as much of a money and they call it the war chest that this company has um if they don't Start turning a profit that's going to dwindle Yeah, and the last thing to note is helios and mathison is an analytics company They own they own a bunch of of things You've never heard of that do high level analytics for companies And they are buying more and more to the point that they own more than 90 percent of movie pass now So my guess is they see something In the money making aspect of the analytics that maybe movie pass can even be a lost leader For them and and feed some of their other businesses So that sounds great because uh that'll really protect moviegoers privacy, too Yeah, I'd like to hear more about that especially after mitch low talked about tracking you on your way to the restaurant Later retracted That's gonna that's a real attractive component of the the business model doesn't fly very well these days Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and in our facebook group facebook dot com slash groups slash daily tech news show What do we have in the mail bag sarah? Well, someone uh who calls themselves la cheesery and says that's for justin robert young So I don't know inside juke there says i'm in my mid fifties worked in the it field until about 10 years ago I started having vision problems. I'm now legally blind The first few years were very trained after some time a little bit of my vision returned though And I was able to acquire some adaptive software for my pc Dtns was one of the most helpful resources I found to help me get caught up in the world of technology Yay, I was still using windows xp at the time. So, you know puts a little bit in perspective I was able to get back up to speed on everything while I was on the sidelines And now I stay on top of what is happening with dtns doing the heavy lifting very grateful for that However, I'm a client of an agency that works with low vision and blind people in my area other clients All ages all socioeconomic backgrounds And I've noticed that quite a few of them have problems with accessibility Devices and software I wanted to create a user group or information source to help my fellow clients But I've never really done anything like this before Looking for some direction Do you have an idea? I probably don't need to reinvent the wheel Could anyone point me to a resource that would help me make this dream possible? Oh, that's great. Uh, so email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com And we'll pass this along to la cheesery Sounds great. Yeah to create a user group I want to go to a store called la cheesery, but yeah, no, thank thank you so much for the email I found it very heartwarming and I'm glad that Dtns has been a resource to you all this time. Yeah, no, that's great To tie that into movie watching we actually just had a Blind comedian on comedy film nerds and she talked about how much she loved movies And uh, she would go in and get basically headphones when she goes to a movie that actually describes the action on the screen And uh, so there's actually accessibility options now for visually impaired people at the movie theaters That's very cool. That's so cool Netflix provides that for some of their shows. I know daredevil particularly they provide that for so that's really cool So, yeah, if you if you know some good sources to create a user group or an information source For accessibility, especially for a site impairment. We'll let us know feedback daily tech news show dot com Also, uh, sumia dip our person on the ground in india Send us a link to telegraph india.com story about how nine candidates for the west bengal panchayat elections This is the lowest rung in india's multi-tier democracy Have won the right to submit their nominations through whatsapp Because of the risk of bodily harm To handing them in in person apparently rival parties Were threatening to beat them up if they went to the courthouse to hand in their papers They submitted them through whatsapp the rival parties then said well That's not a legitimate way to submit them and they went to court and said It's the only way we can submit them safely and the judge said yeah, you're right fine. What's that's good enough You can submit them through whatsapp. Wow That's a great example of how technology can help democracy. Yeah, I'll say no kidding And sunya deep says west bengal is a state in eastern india governed by the trinamool congress Which is fighting a bitter and bloody electoral battle against the baratia janata party the bjp Which is prime minister norendra modi's party so Big big politics going on there and who knew whatsapp gonna help well. Thanks everybody who Submitted feedback to us and also thanks to chris mancini for being on the show Tell everybody where they can keep up with all of your work online Oh, great to be here and thanks again You can check me out at our comedy film nerds dot com and subscribe to the comedy film nerds podcast and I also produced and wrote the Documentary earbuds the podcasting documentary that is out now on demand on itunes and amazon prime so you can check that out and it's all about The personal connection that exists between podcasters and fans that doesn't exist in any other medium So check that out. It got distribution. So it's everywhere and we're trying to spread the word on it And uh as a Kickstarter backer of that project. I can see uh, I'm proud to have supported it So it's a great effort. I highly recommend people take a look great. Yeah. Thanks, tom That was the great thing too is uh, it not only the fan supported it But a lot of podcasters did too and it was able we were able to make it happen And by all means check out comedy film nerds. They had a really good episode about ready player one recently despite their guests Yeah, tom married guest had some great insights on ready player one. So check out that episode That's a comedy film nerds.com and thanks to everybody who supports our show We have nine more patrons right now than we did last month. We want to get more Uh, and the more we get the more likely it is I'll go take a video of a tarantula crawling on my arm or something We'll do something crazy. So patreon.com slash DTA you laugh chris He's not getting I was gonna say hey, whatever works It's you know, that's it. Yeah, we'll do it. Whatever the patrons demand Exactly. Yeah, we work for you our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com if you have feedback for us Let us know we're also live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 utc And you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash Live back tomorrow with justin robber young talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Ah, it was a great show. That was a wonderful show. Thank you, chris Super fun to have you chris. Thanks. This was great. Now we're in the post show, right? Now we're back to good day internet. Good day internet How's your day? Remember that sign filled episode where she's uh, um She says how's your life and george is like not bad not bad at all Show about nothing nobody remembers that I always I never really liked that show Sacrilege, I know but you know, my wife loves it. It's okay Am I supposed am I supposed to like it out of some sort of marital obligation? I actually think it's not weird to say Just wasn't my show. I have a friend who's like, oh, I've never watched it. That's weird to me I'm like I've seen the show and it's the Let's just say it's not my cup of tea. No, but that's what sarah's saying is that's that's fine That's nothing wrong with that. You're not like, you know sign felt. It's a certain kind of humor For someone to just be like, oh, I've never seen it I'm like, that's so weird. It's the same reason why it's always sunny in philadelphia never really gelled with me See, I've I've never seen that show Um, my wife loves that show. It's just that it's that wait, hold on Hold on. You said the reason you don't like sign felt is the same reason. You don't like it's always similar There's a similar reason why I don't like sunny Which is which is I don't I don't like any of the characters to me. They're irredeemable and they're just not There's nobody that you root for you're not comparing the shows. You're just saying No, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying Always sunny in Philadelphia. That's true. They all of the characters are completely self-serving, but but it's it's uh, it's a in a weird way That's what makes the show work because they're all so irredeemable and um, basically all scoundrels and uh ignorant and dumb and uh, but that to me Like I like I like both shows but for different reasons. Yeah. Yeah So I think that you know with always sunny It's like well, how horrible these characters gonna be in this episode and it they always try to one up it But whereas sign felt I actually found the characters to all be very likable and lovable So but I I can see like not liking both shows for the same reasons Like if you don't gel with the characters It doesn't matter what they say or how funny it is you're not gonna like the show totally Well, you know, I had and I know this is a popular opinion, but I did not like the series the wire And the reason that I didn't like it was not the first time I've ever heard that sentence Well, well, welcome Welcome chris I did not like it. I watched it. Why didn't you mention this years ago? No I wanted to wait for this exact moment You made Tom walk out I watched it from beginning to end. I learned a lot, you know, I understood like, oh, yeah There's lots of you know, lots of stuff going on, you know, when it comes to like, you know, moving moving product But I found Zero people on the show Export business based on Exactly. I'm also, you know, yeah, I've got a whole russian thing going on at the docks down in san pedro But but no, I found Zero characters likable. I hated them all. I wanted them all to like go away It's weird. I could never go through the I could never Finish the wire because to me it was just so depressing like to me There's a there's a level of um I don't use debasin, but you know, you need you need a you need a layer of of detachment from Some of that stuff in order to watch it. But like, you know, I I kind of know people when I was growing up that were like Some of the care especially the younger characters, uh in the in the wire and it's just like It's one of them in your bed right now No I just like what bed? Yeah, I take the fifth But I also want to take this one opportunity to say Movie pass player pass as a title. Yes done done great. Love it. I like it Uh continue on So yeah, the wire, I don't know man. I again good show Didn't enjoy it. Do you when you say you know, do you even know why you didn't enjoy it? Because you described understanding all of the things that are likable about the show I the reason you didn't get it. No, no, no I I I felt like Watching the wire was like homework I feel like y'all should uh name a series that everyone liked but us Yeah, I didn't like it. I mean, uh, I stand by it. I did not enjoy that show I think mine was arrested development You know the one that everyone just loved especially in the comedy community that was saying, you know Well groundbreaking it was and I was like, I don't like any of these characters I don't find this that funny and uh, you know, I it never gelled for me I couldn't see that Because it's so it's a little like it's always sunny in the respect of Of it is not likable characters, right? It's not it's not an easy issue To write you like and if you don't like the characters Predicaments and and you're not into the humor if you don't think it's that funny, which it's a particular kind of humor Right, you know, it just might not work So tom, what was uh, what was your popular show that you didn't like? Well, they're the the very popular show that I don't like I don't know that you guys are going to disagree with me on though is big bang theory Oh, I don't disagree with you. I can't stand that show unwatchable Yeah, see so I don't feel like that's a real great I don't see this is a thing though. It's very popular. I just I think we're But like with who the only people I know are like, that's a whore I don't know with the millions of people who have nilson boxes Where are those people in our peer group? Are you saying they're saying anybody who likes the big bang theory? Yeah, um So I'll tell you one that I I didn't like at all Uh to the point where I never watched it until I got married and my wife forced me to rewatch it was friends Oh friends great I did not like friends. I watched the first half of an episode when it premiered I was like, this is dumb and I turned it off, you know And then a girl I was dating a few years later Tried to make me watch it and I watched another half of an episode and then I was you got distracted. So Um, I feel like friends is one of those shows that ages really well um And I don't mean like ages in the sense of like the you know style and stuff because like it actually is like so 90s It hurts, but the the the cheesiness of it is Easier to digest later on I don't know. I was watching on Netflix recently and I was like, this is a great show I always liked I was like friends for sure. It was uh one that uh, you know went on It was one of those shows that like went on and on and on, you know, I got well There's you know, there then there's it goes on long enough that there's salary disputes Then you know that the show's been on for a very long time. That's a successful show. Yeah Okay, so you could make more money directing than doing friends. So tom hates friends Nobody's perfect I don't hate it anymore because my wife made me watch it and I was like, okay It's not as bad as I remember but I definitely like if you'd ask me this question in 1999 it would have been Friends do not like that show. Yeah. Well, you know fair enough fair enough I'm trying to think if there's another more modern example of friends No of a show that everyone likes walking dead I liked walking dead when it started a lot at the beginning But I bailed on it and it's there's still millions and millions of people watching it Yeah, but there's also millions less watching now too. Yeah, I know I've gone down in viewership and one of the things too is I still watch it But I don't like it as much as I used to I think the novelties kind of worn off and also you're like, well, how many more things can we do like is it? All right, we're gonna meet some more bad humans. They're still zombies chasing us like, you know, where's Where's the end game? You know, we might need to wrap this up in another season or so But instead they did a spin-off with just more more of the same Which I liked the walking dead and I also liked fear the walking dead a lot for the first season Right and then subsequent seasons. I was like, it's all the same zombie thing though It's the same thing, you know, where the zombie's like, I was here the whole time and like You know, like I'm like, okay. Got it. Like well, it's there's always a I mean It gets it gets exhausting because you definitely want something to be you can't eat the same food every day right because after a while you get tired of it and You there are only so many ways where you can play up a you can't be the same food every day for zombies I mean, like, you know, I think of something like oh, we've managed to communicate with these zombies and we'll make a Of a universe life together Or something or you know, I I found an area that zombie free. Let's all fly to hawaii or something And you know every episode is like oh, I wonder how bleak it's going to be tonight Yeah, the weird thing is I'm still reading the comic. I was reading the comic before the show Uh, and it's one of the reasons I love the show is seeing those characters come to life Well, it's it's it's still ongoing. Isn't it the comic hasn't stopped No, no, and it's it's still years. Well, I don't know years, but it's you know It's it's still ahead of the story on tv. Right. It's not like game of thrones. Right like it won't catch up Which georgia by the way is putting out a book About the history of westeros prior to the books later this year But he's not putting out the next book in a song of ice and fire I um, I think I I bought one of those books. It was like a history of westeros It was a big giant coffee table book or is there another one? He's doing another one Like that except it's not a coffee table book. It's more of a like this is a this is a description of the history So it's kind of the same thing again. Yeah, I was gonna say do we need two of those this one doesn't have pictures right So he's pretty much saying uh, you're never getting another book. I mean, I don't know It's uh, you know, if it hasn't come out by now and he keeps putting out everything but those books So I don't know if we're gonna get another song of ice and fire book I respect the author's decision to say I'm I will Put it out when I'm ready, right? I respect that But I also respect my own impatience to be like, but I really do want to read it like Yeah Well, how many are there you know in the as far as the books go is there supposed to be two more? Yeah, there's two more. Yeah, there's supposed to be two more Which the last book was half of the fourth book So he got to the fourth book and he split the fourth book into two books My guess is this next one is going to get split which would then make it three more books The last one might get split We're only one more tv season Yeah, well, we're already ahead of the books on the tv seasons. Oh, yeah by far and then although hbo. I heard something like they have Uh, something like four spin-offs in development just getting the thrones world They are they are authorized by martin. Yeah. Yeah They're developing for they're not sure all four will make it to the screen or not No, they're probably developing for with the eye on like one or two actually going Makes sense. Uh, you know, how many billion dollar series can you have on the air at the same time? Right? And I guess martin is working with one of them directly, but not all four of them, right, right Not holding my breath But you know, I read all the books I I like the show So, you know, I'm excited to get more content, but uh, it seems like it's a long wait for any of it Yeah, no kidding That's a show I do love Love it. All right, any final words? Thanks, everybody. That's it. Have a good day internet. Yeah. See you tomorrow. Justin rubber