 Big face For those of you just joining us we've been talking about barbecue for 15 minutes, so we're all Yeah, I went when I was in Dallas I Was like I asked all the locals and like okay, where's the barbecue joint, you know, and they gave me a good place Loan, oh loan star. No probably Now I wasn't loan star. It was but yeah There was a there's a place there's a place on Dallas that they directed me to so I took an Uber out there And they weren't kidding that was place was the bomb. It was so good My gosh, I might go to Texas. I got to go check out Franklin's Barbecue joint because they said people sit out there for three hours three four hours He's up early in the morning and then when he runs out, that's it That's it. There's no more. That's it for the day and he probably sell out in a couple hours So you got to get this super early sit out there Yeah, another good another good sign of a good barbecue joint is when you leave the place and your clothes smell like smoke That's the Salt Lake Salt Lake in Austin well actually dripping Springs outside Austin that's where if you go to the original one I Know texture in the chat room is like YouTube's I had to skip lunch today. The first word live on YouTube is barbecue Finding good barbecue joints, you know I mean we have we're starting to get some really good barbecue joints here in Cleveland Which is great because they're ones that are like actually reputable that like if someone were to visit you'd be like Let's go to this place. There's also a really good chicken joint that opened in Lakewood, which is um called chow chow Which makes an incredible fried chicken. Oh my gosh You know what I think I just saw one in this area the other day I drove past and I think I saw something called a chow chow chow well This is I know I know it's this isn't it's just it's not a chain But I'm sure if it's called chow chow, it's probably good It was a it was funny because it was an Asian name, but it was fried chicken. Oh Like an Asian yeah, well, you know There's there's a the fried chicken is huge in South Korea So I wouldn't be surprised if some of those places are making their way over here because I love fried When we went to the baseball game in Seoul the thing to do though What the locals were telling us is you get your fried chicken outside because that's what you eat You eat fried chicken at the baseball game You get your fried chicken outside because it's cheaper and better than what you get inside and then you take it in With you to the ballpark. They let you bring it in. Jay. I have to amend my guilty pledge It would have to be Popeye's spicy fried Man, I had I had honey's kettle fried chicken last night for dinner. It's so good It's like it's like that long John Silver's batter on fried chicken Sounds amazing. It's really good. Hey that that a frame that we went to. Oh, yeah With the beer can chicken. Yeah. Yeah, I've done a couple of those. They usually comes out pretty good Yeah, that comes out really good We should probably at some point make sure that we're all good for the show I think I just gave you control Roger double-check And then Chris host of SMR podcast, right? Yes, sir SMR podcast calm any questions about the lineup? No, we're good. All right. I got my pizza here Are you gonna eat the pizza during the show? No, I saved a couple slices examples A clear sign it wasn't that great Now are you gonna talk about it in relate to In relation to stuff like grubhub and stuff and yeah, maybe I Was yeah, it's possible for me. It's it's it's more about the technology in Yeah, I want to talk about how well the bot worked and sort of the simplicity of The ordering platform it wasn't perfect and why is this not on every retailer in yeah You know, it was funny like when you said that in the email and I'll mention this again on the show I went to check. I was like, well, maybe we just don't know. Maybe they're you know, not spreading the word And it's yeah, there's there's it's it's not a desert, but that bot platform does not have a lot of compelling Things on it. Yeah shame shame Absolutely same, but yeah, we'll talk about that. Yeah All right. Well, we can get going whenever I think you're good for art Len. Oh, yeah Yeah, this actually This will be an interesting one off my off from last week, you know, the beautiful You know, I have I have that up behind me right? Oh, yeah, there. Yes. I didn't see that Yeah, it's a total 180 from From last week's well one was expect for pizza right and Super Bowl. So we'll see. Yeah. Oh, cool. Good Okay Well, then let's get rolling then Everybody ready. Oh, yeah Here we go The baby tech news shows powered by its audience and May Texans not outside organizations to support the Daily Tech News show Visit Daily Tech News show.com This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, February 3rd 2017 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Chris Ashley Host of the SMR podcast good to have you as McCos today, man. Thank you my friend. Thank you for having me back What it do DTNS It's it's been too long, but not as long as the last interval. So we're getting better We're gonna talk pizza actually and bots so Hang on to your Dinner plates, I guess and your eye in your and your phones Also alongside Len Peralta here to illustrate the show very glad that we're talking about pizza and bots, right? Yes Oh, we love yeah pizzas bots food Super Bowl. It's all good. It's all good. It's all gonna be good Let's get into the top stories Snap ink that's if you if you forgot snapchat changed its name to snap ink the product is still called snapchat But the company is called snapping filed its s1 paperwork with the US Securities and Exchange Commission Thursday That's part of its initial public offering of stock And we get loads of details from that they had filed confidentially Which if you make less than a million dollars in revenue you can file confidentially at first But a certain point you have to make it public so that the public can decide if they want to buy your stock They want to raise three billion dollars. So here's what they've got Non-voting stock this is interesting to stock people not so much to us tech people But if you buy stock and snap you won't get a voting share They're keeping control of the company Non-voting stock will be sold on the new york stock exchange under the symbol snap as we were wondering snap had 404 million dollars in revenue in 2016 up almost 500 percent year over year with a loss of 514.6 million But they're in those early days where big losses are expected as long as that revenue keeps going up And when you raise 500 percent that that's a pretty good direction Snap reports more than 161 million daily active users mostly in north america They visit the app on average 18 times a day There was a little slowing in user growth in q4 around the same time that instagram stories launched in august snap employs 559 people or it did as of december 31st and is committed to using google's cloud infrastructure for the next five years that Is significant because google's cloud infrastructure doesn't work in china So if snapchat did want to go expand into china, they would have an issue there Any any of these details stick out to you chris? Yeah, a couple of them actually it's it seems like there's so many nuances to this that you wonder How how is this going to turn out first off? It still amazes me that advertising is such a big revenue generator for so many different companies You would think that it would just be limited to the google's now Especially for online stuff and maybe the big firms that exist, but it just seems like every time you come up with a company You you you probably you know, especially an app company. How are you going to get advertising in there to make all these millions of dollars? to Grow the company and then can you maintain it? Is always something of interest to me as well. So and that would be the thing because The companies with this technology here that's easily Copied as you can see that facebook has been doing already. How are you going to pivot what you're doing today to make it stand more relevant? For future investments, so those are the things that kind of interest me from the technology standpoint But then this deal with google You know apple had to move to china to to get growth and now they're looking at india You know, how was that a smart move? For them to side with google if it's going to hamper them when it comes to growing the company Which is what investors are going to be looking for Which by the way, you know side note there if it wasn't obvious to you This is a problem with google's cloud services being competitive too because worldwide companies Who do want to do business in china may not choose to go with google cloud They may choose with to go with somebody who is able like microsoft or amazon to operate in china So that that's kind of a side note to this as well. But yeah, you're right That that implies that they're not that concerned about that market yet that they they really want to grow in western hemisphere in north america Maybe south america of europe Or possibly they see africa and they're just going to jump right past china and india and target africa There's no indication of that right i'm just i'm just making that up But but yeah, it is it is something when you when you're in a five-year contract like that You've obviously set that aside for the time being and You know, you're right about the advertising There are only so many dollars out there and it is ever ever more competitive Especially on the mobile platform to get those dollars. However, that indication looks really good they went from you know Tens of millions of dollars to hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue and one would expect that 2017 We'll see that continue to go up Well, it's interesting the path that they took to get that additional revenue to with just Addressing companies directly allowing them to do things directly with them and create these little followings on there So that was smart So it definitely shows signs to me at least that they have some smart people in place But I just always wonder when is this advertising thing going to come and hit You know finally come to a head and yeah, there's no more money here for people Well, I think the feeling right now may be that there's still money being spent In television and on print and probably more so on television That could be moved over. So there's still there's still room For that land rush to continue and even some money moving from desktop to mobile as well Sure. Sure. But for me, I keep it into s and p 500. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah Uh chrome 57 has added new features to progressive web apps PWA's these are apps which you can deliver Your your app like native functionality from the web in html 5 they can even work offline Without needing to download and install an app PWA's will now appear in the app drawer on android when you add one to the home screen It'll show up in your app drawer just like other apps PWA's will also get the ability to appear in android settings and notifications will no longer appear as being from chrome Though they'll appear as coming from your android settings page So so they're getting more app like functionalities the other thing that people may not realize about PWA's and these are different than instant apps Instant apps are a traditional android app coded in the android I think it's c a c-based programming language That that can run instantly without the full download install PWA's are coded in html 5 So not only can they act as apps on android, but they can act as apps in firefox They can act as apps in any compatible browser Uh, have you played around with any of this stuff yet chris? No because uh I stay away from anything google. No, I some stuff google actually but uh No, but it's interesting to me though because I've always thought that at least being a huge windows phone fan that web apps would be the great Equalizer yeah the great We've all thought that from the from before apple had an app store. We thought oh, maybe web apps Maybe web apps will be the way Ever has happened. So I I I want I look at this and I say it's a smart move for them But it just as far as to grow something that could potentially take off But they still got to convince developers that they got to code this stuff to work there and uh more importantly What what is the end game? Is this just to make uh google chrome or their their chrome devices a bit more Functional when it comes to uh trying to get into the enterprise. So I'm just interested in from that standpoint, but You know as many people have always said if you have an app versus web app, why are you going to go with the web app? Yeah, and I would like ideally for this to take off. I would like this to become the way we do apps I would like it to be cross-platform not just by browser But by operating system so that a a progressive web app for chrome 57 would work in safari and it would work in edge And it wouldn't matter what device I'm on like that that is the open internet that we were promised And so I look at this and I I see a little bit of hope But man you you definitely not pour cold water, but but pour the light of reality When you're like, yeah, but who is this for who's going to develop for it? You know What are the things that are still in the way of it getting acceptance? And there's still a long way to go for that It's that bitter pill that you had to swallow being a huge windows phone fan is that This stuff never came to fruition and part of me wonders is this part of the reason why Microsoft kind of made that announcement with their windows 10 cloud stuff because they see this coming and You know potentially another Dagger Into trying to get mine get mindshare back from the younger generation Well, because the universal windows platform is an attempt to do a similar thing From a different angle, right? It's it's not html5 and it's it's it's not cross platform But it is cross device as long as you're in the windows universe, right Android police reports an email to google mobile service partner says that google now launcher will be removed from the play store In the coming weeks oems can now use the search launcher services To put google now which has also had a name change to google feed into whatever launcher they want So say motorola could build its own launcher and add search services to launcher 3 And it would be like the google now launcher. They just can't use gnl anymore It's unclear whether google will do this for its own nexus line I mean, they're getting rid of google now launcher But we don't know what they'll do for the nexus devices going forward google will remove the google now launcher from the gms package on march 1st They're taking it out of the store for those of you who liked to download it on your own And while gnl will continue to work new users may have to turn to something like nova launcher If they want to reskin their android device and on the consumer and that was the biggest thing that gnl was used for is I got a device and I hate the custom screen. I'll download google now launcher and replace it Yeah For me, I always look at this stuff and I wonder why why are they doing this? Is it really to make things easier for other people as this part of some avoiding a big antitrust Lawsuit that may be pending You know, it's again, it sounds like a good thing Yeah, if you open stuff up a little bit and kind of ease up on what the manufacturers the only manufacturers have to work with Well, I always in the back of my mind. I'm always wondering why is this the case? What is the motivation behind it? Well, and this is such typical google move of hey We had a thing and a lot of you guys really like that thing But then we created this other thing that's kind of like that thing So we're getting rid of that thing and we want you to use the new thing instead Because because I get it right search launcher services is like hey all the things in google feed Which we know we changed the name on you and it's confusing But that's google now are now in search launcher services, which I know is not google now launcher And it's not exactly the same thing but they can build it in and maybe more people will have the google feed Which used to be called google now and you're like man, you're making me a head hurt google Why couldn't you just left it the way it was Use it don't use it. No. No use it now. I don't know I don't know. Well, and then there's the pixel launcher, which friends of mine who have the pixel and use it regularly Rave about they're like pixel launchers great But that's not available for anyone outside the pixel because google wants to make you buy the pixel to get that right shame Karna taka india's state minister for information technology prionk karg told bloomberg that wistron They're a manufacturer kind of like fox con Wistron will begin assembling apple iPhones in bangalore by the end of april Apple has been seeking approval to open retail stores in india But one of the things they run up against is india requires A single brand retail like an apple store where you're like, hey We mostly just sell our own products to source 30 percent of the components of the products they sell in that store from within india Uh, so apple's been trying to seek a waiver for this or to say Hey, what if we what if we sell these kinds of products mixed in with our stuff? But having wistron assembling iPhones in india that are meant for sale in india Would help them qualify to say okay these these iPhones that we're selling in the apple stores are made in india This has so many pieces to it that i almost said this should be a deeper discussion, but um For example first off. Okay. Good for apple. They're going into another area to grow because they've pretty much bored their rest of the world with their phones But uh, you know beyond that, you know, you when you look at uh all the complaints that's been going on here about uh jobs leaving the the united states and opportunities leaving here and then The tax breaks that are being used to shelter money and then you look at part of the story where i mentioned that they Demanded a 15 year tax holiday Uh as part of the deal and i would like that kind of holiday, please. Thank you. What a holiday that would be Oh my god, if you listen to holiday every day, but uh, you know, but You know, I get it. You know, these are the things that these businesses have to do They got to respect their shareholders and keep these things profitable Well and prime minister modi in india has been Doing a lot of the same things that president trump in the united states wants to do which is Encourage companies to locate in india and sell devices to india. It's hence this 30 percent rule Uh, so we're we're moving into a world where it's not just the united states that's doing this a lot of countries are saying Well, you know, we need your data to be located, uh in our country We need your manufacturing to be located in our country russia is doing the same thing saying data Has to be located in russia if you're going to operate That's one of the problems that linkedin has run into and now microsoft owning linkedin has to deal with So so this could become a trend Where companies have to locate these factories or or in napple's case, you know The the contractor they deal with has to be located Locally in order to meet the policies of the various leaders Well, that's the other aspect of it that was interesting because that that one line where it says They had to meet the requirement where the, uh, 30 of components have to come from India's manufacturing. I think that's awesome that they're doing that You know, I have no beef with that. You know, they these guys got to look out for number one And uh, I think it's a slick play so I would love to see what the final deal turns out to be and then let's see if You know some of that stuff starts to translate to America as far as uh dealing with Yeah You can make an argument that these sorts of policies can raise prices Because maybe the most efficient place to make an item is not in the same country that buys that item And i'm not talking about just the united states or india here that that could be true all over the place So these could end up being restrictive in raising prices But it will be an interesting experiment to see Whether whether that happens and if so how much or if there are other benefits To having more, you know, it puts me in mind of locally sourced artisan grown Farm products, right? Right. Maybe there's an advantage. We're not seeing to locally locally assembled iPhones I don't know right and it's possible too that the you know, to do some of these restrictions include Raise the price only in that region. So it's a very interesting start to what could be a, you know, A a case study Kind of along the same lines or in the in the same uh general Like putting something in a particular location to achieve a certain economic result for that region Microsoft is going to move its michigan microsoft technology center from southfield michigan A suburb to the one campus marshes building in downtown detroit starting in early 2018 Microsoft signed a seven-year lease for 40 000 square feet of space on the 10th floor Of a building that is managed by dan gilbert who also happens to be the founder of quick and loans Which is one of the tenants of the building as well quick and loans moved from levonia to downtown detroit in 2010 Uh, so a little bit of a revival of detroit story going on here for one thing Uh, it it is becoming a more vibrant downtown and I was just there a little over a year ago And saw that happening and bringing microsoft in from the suburbs very bad for southfield michigan Southfield michigan is having a a vacancy problem now, but very good for downtown detroit Yeah, and it's so when you see a story like this, you always you kind of wish that it was we're adding A location not yeah moving a location and you know, and unfortunately because they're moving a location It just doesn't do anything to create any additional jobs, which you know places like michigan and detroit so badly uh need So I look at this and i'm like, you know what at least for the the immediate area These guys will benefit us so somebody's benefited You know somewhat out of this and you know, especially the local businesses They'll get more foot traction from the sales staff that are going out there But it just could be I wish it was such a much better story for Yeah, it's a stepping stone story, right? There's a lot of what ifs uh, you know The 200 so sales people and their clients in the microsoft technology center like you say Are going to spend their money in downtown detroit now, which is good for downtown detroit And it could lead to other companies saying well, well if microsoft's going there Maybe we should consider going there and then that's when maybe you start to see actual jobs created in detroit versus just moving yeah Well folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes We highly encourage you to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right folks domino's pizza has started a change on their ordering bot They've had a bot on facebook messenger for a while. They called dom get it because domino's uh and before Like you could do on twitter or with google home or the amazon echo or even in ford sink domino's is actually all over the place With this thing you could set up a profile with what they call your easy order Let's say you always get pepperoni and mushrooms You could put your easy orders pepperoni and mushrooms and then you could go to the bot and say hey send me my easy order It would look at your profile would know your address what your order is confirm it with units on its way Starting this weekend in the united states You don't have to set up anything you could just go into facebook messenger You don't have to have an account on domino's you don't have to log into an account or anything And just say hey i want a pizza for delivery you get access to the entire menu I did it today And I got this lovely domino's pizza Be honest Just you know you're gonna it's gonna be very obvious. This is not a sponsored bit Not a huge fan of the domino's pizza Cheese tastes a little plasticky to me, but hey a lot of people do like it and I took one for the team and ordered it And it was actually it was actually pretty pretty Easy to do uh it's on rails like it just asks you would you like delivery or carry out would you you know You know let's is uh What's your phone number is the order being delivered to a house or apartment? What's your address? What would you like to order today pizza? Sure, which item would you like and it gives you a bunch of the pizza options I chose build my own And then it said what type of crust do you want I said thin what size pizza do you want small sorry Crunchy thin crust only comes in medium large. What would you like to add next sausage? I'm sorry. I seem to be having trouble understanding medium. What type of crust do you want thin? I've got a medium thin pizza. Would you like any toppings on that? So you could see Had a little a little glitch that was the only time it ever went off the rails for me the rest of the time it worked fine, uh and the pizza showed up in you know, uh round 30 minutes so This is pretty interesting chris and I know this caught your eye because You you you had a very pertinent question as to why domino's is the only one doing this Well, yeah, because when I first looked at the headline, I was like, oh, okay. That's interesting And then I thought about it when I realized when I read the article that they were using facebook messenger I kind of got a bit annoyed uh as happy as I am with domino's for Taking technology and uh trying to You know grab the youth and the people that I have phones in their hands all the time What the heck is this not on everything? I get so annoyed when these companies like facebook and paypal They have the platform that everybody's using and they just don't seem to expand it to The places ahead of where people would want them You know facebook announced this week that they're approaching two billion Active users How is this platform not being offered built out where you can handle payments? Because one of the things that you had to pay cash with this system Why why don't you have a payment system that can handle that part of it facebook? Why is this not at home depot where I can order pre order and then you threw messenger and then go back and pick up stuff Um, you know when I go pick and pick up my order, that's by what is going on. This is so cool Yeah, I mean domino's has said they are looking into adding messenger payments so that you could use your credit card and prepay But messenger payments from facebook is in beta so they can't I'm I guess they don't want to launch right into something in beta So I did have to pay in cash But that was fine. It wasn't the end of the world I do prefer the sort of you know, you order on an app and you pay right then so you just get the food and you're done but yeah, it was It worked so seamlessly and uh, who was it in the chat room here? I think it was not said seems like more work than using their website unless I'm missing most understood something I don't know man. It seemed easier than using the website because I didn't have to think I didn't have to find anything. It just asked me the questions and I I answered like with a website I'd have to go find the form choose the thing Create a profile. Yeah, I mean granted. That's not very hard either. I'm not gonna complain about that But but relatively speaking this was a breeze Yeah, and I look I love the what the application this could be and hey paypal how are you not partnering with domino's or excuse me with the With uh facebook already to handle their payments form. Yeah. Oh my god. Well facebook was to keep the cut. That's why they're not part That's why paypal is bordering, but yeah, well, I imagine they jumped on it early on right and then maybe they get cut later But what what could have happened? What could have been? Anyway, but what could be still, you know, just not give up hope yet Once facebook gets their payment system. That's that's a wrap Well, yeah, you know you're right about that and and when you when you had emailed being said and said you were wondering like Why aren't there? Why isn't anybody else doing this? I thought well, maybe there is and we just haven't heard about it Maybe they're not doing a good job telling about it. You go look at the facebook messenger bots Uh either a botless.co or just open up the messenger app and look through There's cnn. There's kayak. There's a bunch of weather apps. There's some travel apps But there is not a lot And as food-wide there's there's almost nothing and like I said, don't home depot No, best buy that I could find anyway, even just offering a package of small businesses We were talking about doing a barbecue earlier and you know, I started going to my local butcher for meat And if I could just be like, hey, I need a eight ten pound brisket and I need four racks to take little style ribs And I could just go there and pick it up What? Yeah, what so here are the bots when I open search on facebook messenger Here are the suggested bots geo news english Christina million remit radar Swellie 1000 picture and Hope modi support bot About yeah minister render modi I'll be messaging all of those guys. I mean I don't want to rain on anybody's parade if they're like, oh no, I really like that that bot But these are not the bots that most people are looking for I don't think Not at all not at all and you know Yeah, I'm a local pizza guy. They should be doing this my grocery stores should be doing this, you know I'm not saying you're gonna go. You know when you're doing your big Weekly shopping your $400 shopping that you might want to be messaging back and forth with a bot to get your grocery in order But yeah, I just see the applications of this uh and so many different places and the usability of it Shit, you know I don't know why facebook has not looked at this and like, you know what because even then we talked about using ads to To make revenue, you know, these guys should then be paying money with ads to you know To advertise during these bots and boom. There you go. You know, here's our coupon You know, that's an ad and if they generate use the coupon to get more money I mean I can just see the endless possibilities Through here and I was so, you know, one of the reasons when I When I dropped direct tv and they are they asked me well, what are the reasons why You left us and aside from pricing and all that stuff, but I said you guys stop innovating There's nothing cool about you anymore You know, I tipo to me is way cooler than you and that's why I use it now But you know, you guys used to be the first ones to have web web stuff that you could do You could record stuff through the web even though was, you know, just click and add But you guys stop doing it that and it seems like I know there's always a crunch to where you're gonna spend your dollars But stuff like this would interest me even though I am not a domino's pizza fan whatsoever But that interests me being able to do something like that because I'm in facebook messenger all the time. I'm a fan of facebook So you you can order a domino's pizza With a smart samsung smart tv On your watch by twitter through apple tv through sms And now by facebook messenger bot and facebook messenger bot Don't even have to set up an account Is that enough chris ashley? I'm gonna ask you the hard questions. Is that enough to make you start eating domino's pizza? I am not a fan All right fair enough fair enough, but but respect respect for the technology. Yeah Yes, I will tell other people that are domino's fans. They should check this out for sure Yeah, definitely and and like I said, uh, you know with that one minor little bump Where the like it didn't really recover from the fact that I asked it for something it couldn't give Right, I asked for a small and it's like, oh, we don't have small and then it didn't grace the recover So this thing the machine learning is it like super impressive there? Like I said, it's on rails, but it got back on on the track fairly quickly So and you would hope that that would improve with more usage. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully right? Hopefully it's learning the more people that are that are using it. So anyway, well done domino's on the bot Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Got several good messages to get through today. Ryan wrote in about his 100 megabit per second connection from Time Warner cable That never met its maximum and eventually became a 50 megabit per second connection as the area he lived in became more and more populated In fact, he claims that Time Warner said we never had 100 megabit per second connection in your area and he's like, okay Anyway, he writes they haven't upgraded their cable infrastructure for as far back as I can remember But their current saving grace is that they did promise fiber by the end of 2017 Nobody will say who it belongs to yet, but thanks to a subcontracted cable installer There's now a fiber line running right across my front yard Whenever I have to stream video debos at a conference call at five megabits per second I can't tell you how hard it is not to run outside and just splice my own line into that fiber line Do you imagine just having that right there at your front yard? Well, I can't imagine it because they refuse to bring fiber in my area In fact, um, you think you got a bad my friend In my area. I'm a Comcast user. They're not even planning on putting fiber in this area They're only putting it in areas where Verizon files is so in the old areas your old areas you're screwed They're only putting it where they can compete with files. So Well, happy at least it's in your front yard I have it from a source that one of the problems with the the the promised Connection versus the delivered speeds in the new york area is the age of the infrastructure there It's it's just, you know, it's just a really difficult Manhattan particularly a really difficult area To keep track of what's where where the nodes actually are because of the complexity of the infrastructure that's not an excuse but that's what it is And companies are loathe to want to mess with that and the expense that it incurs unless they have to Right unless they're competing with somebody and that's what you're talking about Like where Verizon is competing with them Comcast is willing to put in the fiber But if they've got you and you can't go anywhere else, why would they bother paying to upgrade the infrastructure? I gotta sell my house to get a fiber. Yeah, that's fair. That's that's ridiculous. Yeah Uh, all right. Got a couple of uh more reactions to shimmers, which we talked about with shannon morse Those are those little chips that you can't even see uh that will intercept data between your chip card and the reader Uh, we got several emails from people overseas We'll pick jamie to represent of you jamie and are you kidding me? It's snowing again, vancouver Said i was listening to yesterday's show and wanted to chime in regarding how shimmers affect those of us in countries Where chip and pin is largely predominant I'm in vancouver canada and although we have widespread Adoption of chip and pin cards shimmers are showing up here as well Just last week shimmers were founded for businesses a mere minutes from my house The obvious way to protect yourself is to use tap to pay as this transfers limited banking information with each Transaction as well as paying attention to any things sticking in when taking your card out of the Point of sale terminal as shannon was saying so he's like if you use tap to pay Then the shimmer can't get to you and if you feel something a little weird Uh, you might want to ask about it So even in canada people are finding ways to install these devices and extract whatever data they can And then yaniv said uh my way of securing credit cards in gas stations where they don't have chip readers Is by gift cards i get the gift cards at my supermarket where they have the chip And then i leave the gift cards in my card and use them at the pump you know, it's so interesting that that's a Uh conversation because we actually had a conversation about uh using mobile payments on our show this week and uh As much as i've been dying to be able to carry my phone and not have to carry my wallet at all I haven't really switched over to mobile payments that much and i told myself I was going to start doing using it more and uh because as much promise as the chip and pin has for security It's it takes forever to use it. You know, you sit there and just you know And then some of these machines are still up to getting up to date with their user interfaces So I you know, I have a whole different reason For wanting to switch to mobile payments, but that makes a hundred percent sense Yeah, is is the you know is to have a more protected platform transfer and information I I use my mobile payment anytime I can and it's just not that often Uh the the only place I can consistently say I go shop and can use uh apple pay in this case is the dog bakery Which is my local pet food store. That's it. I mean, I know it's available in other places I just they aren't places that I go to that often Yeah, i'm gonna start looking and start to start using it more. That's my that's my goal And then chad wrote in and said uh long time listener first time writer welcome chad I wanted to clarify a point on ipv6 that seems like it might have gotten lost in all the discussion Nat network address translation is different than a firewall. That's a good point chad Just because there's no more nat with ipv6 doesn't mean you don't have a firewall to prevent hosts on the internet From directly reaching internal hosts while it's true that nat somewhat acts like a firewall That's just due to pure happenstance on how it functions It should and usually is used in conjunction with a firewall think of it this way at a business Just because you have a server with a public ip address doesn't mean there isn't a separate firewall in front of it to control access Yeah, makes perfect sense. That's a great explanation. Yeah, good. Good reminder chad. Thank you for the email Uh, and thank chris ashley for being on the show today. It was great Hey, man. 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Of course, uh, you know Domino's is making it super easy to order the pizzas right and so what's gonna come next Of course the pizza bowl. So there you go. This is So wait, has he's already ordered the pizza he he is he's getting ready. Well, no, he's he's ordered the pizza He's ordered another one. That's how he's ordering second pizza. Yes. Okay. That's how simple the process is That's what I'm saying. So he's watching the super bowl while on the bowl. Yes And he's saying don't judge me because you know, don't judge a person like that because it's you know It's very isn't this just kind of like idiocracy when he's on the couch watching TV He's got kind of the look at that red shirt doesn't he What is coming out of the phone? I can't regret quite. Oh it says uh, uh, this is dom the domino's ordering assistant May I take your order? Actually talking to dom on the phone. Yeah, so you got to go check it out Uh, and by the way today's the last day You can order the jango print and have some of the money go to rocket dog rescue Um, it's been an incredible week. They're uh, I'm gonna have after today. I'm gonna send Uh, a nice little a nice little chunk over to uh rocket dog rescue. So today's the last day you can do that So so to order the jango print and ogle the current print Pizza pizza possibly order that one too. Yeah go to go to len peralta store Dot com Thank you. Thank you, Len. Uh, we'll talk to you next time. I'm in clubs. Hope you have enjoyed this All right, that will all be in the main show. There you go Mark that to uh taco bell It's sort of the same sort of thing right? Yeah, it's like ripped from the headlines for you, huh? ripped from the headlines Oh, you ripped from the headlines headlines. Hey titles. Uh, what do we got? Google not now. There's pizza facebook There's a browser for that google now makes your head hurt the dominoes effect There's also these are not the bots most people are looking for it's true Uh, pizza pizza getter pizza getter It's a getter pizza getter. It's enger. They're trying to put pizza and message. Oh message. You're there. It's enger dominoes portman 2 Daily food news show snap the vote snap lets you vote chinese Oh, it's a lot chrome 57 great on all browsers. It sounds like a club actually chrome. I like pizza on rails That one's good too Bot dial dominoes You bought dial like but dial. Oh, yeah, that's good bots in the morning bots in the evening pots. It's upper time Go as a cruise to seven now. Thank you for texting dominoes I P o much omg Okay, the other thing I didn't actually mention in the show because it wasn't as pertinent to the bot experience The other thing that dominoes does is they give you this little dominoes tracker and it's got five little sections One is they got your order. One is they're preparing your order. One is they're cooking it Oh, is it out out on its way? Yeah So I had uh prep prep prep prep out for delivery like it just skipped all the intervening steps They have that on their website too. They show like, you know, it's baking. It's in the oven. Yeah Yeah, I never got baking in the oven oven. It just went from we're preparing. We're preparing it's on its way Is it gonna show up raw? So the top two right now are pizza facebook and google not now I don't know. I don't really have a favorite. I like the dominoes effect But yeah, I'm still open. You have a dominoes effect works Bot dial is my favorite. Bot dial is pretty good too. I bot dialed you by accident Where is that one in the list? It's uh, oh, there it is Okay, we're ready for this. You may not vote again Showbot.tv showbot.tv still works, right? Showbot.tv. Yeah, that's what I've been using. I go to showbot.chatrealm.net, but I think either one of them works Bot dial All right, so we talked about tacos pizza barbecue Yeah, it's a lot of food for the show food. We actually talked about long john silvers Burger joints we talked about burgers. We're talking about carls jr. Oh carl jr. What's what's okay. So what's the super bowl menu? Oh, it's good. Good question. I need to create one like I did But usually I like doing seven layer dip on super bowl. That's one of my favorites. Okay. Yeah as a classic I thought about uh smoking some chicken thighs and some breasts And then uh, I almost thought about smoking my own ham but apparently you have to brine that thing for About uh, three days. Oh, gotcha. And you got the You can buy him pre brined, but I don't know if I'm gonna I'm gonna check out my butcher and see what they got And see if they have one that's already done, but uh, if no wings no wings So I'm a huge wings fan and uh, I smoked some wings last week Oh, okay. Not that, you know, could I definitely smoke some more wings or sure because I have an air Yeah, exactly. And I have an air fryer too um, and uh That I kind of like in because I take the I like dry rub wings myself And so I'll smoke the wings and then or put in a food tech show you got that smoker You got an air fryer You know, I thought about just doing something just just talking about this stuff and getting other people to talk about it With me man, because uh, I'm a big fan of this tech stuff. Yeah cooking uh cooking food And so yeah, so for me, I'm definitely gonna do some chicken and um, but I need something else That's why I was asking what you guys are doing to see yeah We always end up going just a pizza Yeah, I mean that seems like the simplest thing. Yeah Yeah Well now that you know, you can order from the toilet We didn't mention that connection in the show I feel like it was obvious But the reason dominoes is launching their bot this weekend is because they expect to sell 12 million pizzas on sunday Yeah I'm and I saw that number and I was like really Yeah, I'm not making that. No, that's the number dominoes gave they expect to sell 12 million pizzas I read that and I thought it was just nationally. They were so like, you know, like every like that's how many That's how many pizzas are sold on that day Not for them, but just in general, you know Yeah, it's a it is a large country In so many ways Yes, I don't know. I'm I'm thinking I just I did uh A brisket just in the last two weeks. I did ribs in the last couple weeks. So I don't know brats Brats But you gotta like, I don't know It's well, it's you can do brats because you're in California out here, it's a little bit colder to do, you know, like you'd want to like put that on a grill and it's cold to do Um, someone said that like lobster tails are on sale to seafood. Yeah No way No, no, just boil them or boil them or something. Yeah. Yeah I don't know. Maybe I'll do a gigantic uh Burger and then just put a whole bunch of toppings on and just cut it into smaller pieces It's maybe I'll do something like that. Oh, yeah, like burger bites. Yeah. Yeah, you and Eileen should do uh, should do lechon Oh man, that'd be good pig. I don't know how to make that. I don't know what Eileen does either You have to order that. That's perfect super bowl food though. Do you guys know what lechon is? No, what's that? I've never heard of it. It's like How do you describe it? It's like pigs young. It's a young suckling pig It's all it's just and then it's like sort of cut and you go in there and you just use your fingers And you just tear the meat. It's so soft. And so the skin's still attached. So it's a it's a little bit like cheecherones Uh, but but it's got the pork on it So you're getting the meat too. It's like cheecherones attached to meat Then there's a special dipping sauce you dip into it. It's What nationality is that it's Filipino? Filipino, okay Got it. Yeah, that's that's how interesting. I love usually at bigger Filipino events. They'll have a the full pig there it's a uh It's a finger food. You just you just burn it off. Yeah So do you partake in the uh, what is that the uh, the chicken the duck at my loot? No, not my loot never Never My mom my mom did at one point and she she she just threw up Actually, Filipino food's really good for the Super Bowl because uh, uh, lumpia. Yeah, lumpia is good too Yeah, and then the the egg rolls that the Filipinos make that's that's lumpia. That's lumpia. Yeah You can do chicken adobo Yeah, yeah Down with that too one of my good friends wife is a Filipino. So I've been able to partake in some of the cuisine I was making uh, I got into making my own pancit over the past couple months and I gotta tell you man I made it for made it for Christmas. It was on point, man Nice tastes it tastes just like my mom's and I was like the biggest thing I'm like it tastes like my mom's now So it's pretty exciting That's yeah, if anytime you can get close to mimicking mom My mom did Thanksgiving for years and I took it over and then I remember the years. She was like, you know what son? Very close What was that? What was the chills of my spine just here to say that? Yeah, what was the signature thing that you needed to get my mom's candy yams and her stuffing. It's those two um her stuffing, you know, it's sausage based and Yeah, it just has so many ingredients into it and then the candy yams it really literally takes Like two days to make the candy yams Because all the process she does so being able to master both of those and you know, my brothers come up and they're like, okay Yeah, we're you know, I have to make extra so they can take leftovers because it was our thing You know, forget the turkey even though we love turkey and all of that stuff those those two things right there make up the Make up the Thanksgiving. That's awesome. That's cool And she's never gonna say she's never gonna say you passed her right so tell us seems like That I make I make a ridiculous smoked salmon. I mean, I've had people order the smoked salmon from me Oh, yeah And my mom like anytime my brother comes up to visit and then goes back down and stay with her She'll be like, did you send me a salmon? So she loves my But that does not stop her from trying to tell me how to make my smoked salmon I know add this to it. No, no, that's not how I make it When I made the pancita over Christmas and I I gave it to my mom and my mom never actually said like Like oh, she just said it was good. But what else is he gonna say? You know, I mean like I was good Um, so that was kind of disappointing I was like hoping that she would I would get that moment that you got which was like, you know You came pretty dang close, you know my wife For years has talked about this recipe that her grandmother had And that then was passed on to her mom called crunchy chicken And uh and her grandmother passed away before you know, and they didn't get the recipe So no one knows what it is. She never had it written down. No So no one knows how to read no one knows how to replicate it and I've heard so much about it Yeah, and I'm like it's it's like I've heard it's the best fried chicken recipe ever Yeah, all I know all we all we can do is just talk about it because no one knows how to make it And that's the thing my mom's not a recipe cooker either and neither am I for that effect. So yeah, yeah, you gotta write that stuff down My grandma wasn't either and I remember my sister made her write down a recipe for this Potato dish that she did that we loved growing up Right and and my grandma was like it's really hard. She's like, I don't know how to write it You know, like yeah, it's just you just put it's that's it's just made with love Yeah, and my sister had to had to call her a few times with the first few times She tried to make it and be like now wait, what does this mean and my grandma's like well I don't this is what I do when I do it. Yes, I don't know how to scribe it. Yeah, right, right That's happened when I was making that other recipe and you know It was little things my sisters knew how to do this stuff Which I think was kind of funny because my my sister's never shared any information with me So we have to I have to kind of they would like feed me like little bits and well mom would take it You know, she would like, you know, she would take it You know and put away some of the um some of the filling so that you it wasn't all just You know, there were like little things that you would that that you'd have to figure out Yeah, you'd have to figure this stuff out on your own. Yeah My roommate ray when I lived in austin, uh, he was indian and he would complain because he'd call his mom And he'd be like mom, you gave me this recipe, but it just says add the spice. He's like She'd be like, you know the spice and he's like Which one He's like most of the time it would end up being cinnamon, but not always sometimes it would be something else Oh my god. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I'm there. So the biggest thing for me. I mean my mom's jamaican so You know her it's never gonna replicate. I've gotten pretty good at making jerk chicken. I don't make it Curry curry chicken. I just I can't get down like she does Uh and uh oxtail. I just I can't even imagine. There's those intangibles. You know, like Curry chicken, uh, that sounds good right now Yeah, I tried to make chicken tikka masala the other weekend And it did not turn out it didn't work out it actually turned out tasting fine But nothing like chicken tikka masala What do you think happened? Well, the recipe called for crushed tomatoes And I either I didn't cook them long enough Or there were two or the recipe called for too many because it just came out tomato-y and I'm like chicken tikka is not Yeah, right, especially tomato-y. So I don't know just experiment. Yeah, I gotta try a different recipe. I think don't try this is this is what I've learned Don't try to do the exact thing It's like try to get it to what you do your own twist because the Like the if you if you There are things my mom cooks pretty well. They're things she doesn't cook so well I've learned to basically cook all the things I would eat And that's pretty much worked for me I'll follow it The first time and then after that I'm like, okay, we gotta we gotta fix some of this stuff up and change it up The first time I usually follow if I'm following somebody's recipe Like my you know, once my mother started once my parents had their restaurant It became less certain items and just kind of throw everything into a single pot boil it Like it'd be a bunch of stuff. She cooked individually, but over time the leftovers were just form into one pot Which is fine. It looked weird, but I it tasted great. I would eat it. I still eat it And that's where Roger Josh kind of Stone soup in a way sort of just keep on That story. Yep. She stones. I haven't thought about that in years Yeah, I had that book. I might still have a copy of that book actually But who gets the stone at the end? You're right I didn't that was the thing when I I didn't right realize that like, oh, I get it, you know It's like it's it's that's like the baby in a in a king baby cake Whoever gets the stone You gotta make the stone soup start soup next year Oh, yeah, I'm I am now officially hungry I had a really good soup. I had a really good soup for lunch. It was a spicy crab and rice soup That was good Did he get to crab eat all the rice? Yeah, that was the stress. That was very very tricky That's a little tiny mandibles, you know, you got the little tiny spoon Yeah, I gotta go find me some food. Yeah. Hey guys, thanks a lot. Thank you for being on the show Absolutely We'll have you back soon And if if we you do you get the itch just Pingas just bug us. We'll have you on you got it. All right. You got it. Thanks. All right guys. Have a good weekend All right dominoes effect is going to be our headline so There you go. Thanks everybody for watching have a lovely weekend We'll be back with allison chariden on monday I don't know why i'm ending every sentence like this But i'll talk to you monday