 I don't know, as I have not done what I ought to do, which is fill in the select board on 2018 Historic Preservation Grant, which you did a lot of work on, and it paid off. So the Historic Preservation Commission was really invented to try to get as much of Calis designated a historic district as possible, and it doesn't mean you can't paint your house pink. It's just a lot of good things about the historic district. Maple Corner was the first one, North Calis was the next one, and East Calis is now on the list, so we got a grant to hire a contractor to do all the legwork and paperwork to apply for Historic District status for East Calis. When you say it's on the list, but we're applying, what is that mean? The National Register of Historic Districts, Historic Places. What this does is it would put East Calis village on that list. Right, along with Maple Corner and North Calis. We're not on the list. Not yet, we're working on getting on the list. There was a state nomination appointment to the state list about 15 years ago, and so that's done a lot of ground work. It made it easier for me to hire a contractor. We're going to have a kick-off meeting sometime in the last week of September. Introduce the people of East Calis to the pluses and minuses of what we're doing. Probably a five o'clock meeting with food. That always helps. Yeah, I think that'll get along. And then there's a lot of slow legwork and stuff for a year or so, eventually maybe two years from now. We'll hear from National Park Service for the Registry nomination. Oh, it goes through the National Park Service. And that's where the money comes from, too. Oh, wow. So, well, good. My oversight is not bringing everybody up to the level. I think I've mentioned it before. Good, yeah, yeah. Yes, and Denise did a lot of very valuable, any kind of work. I mean, we now have 20, 30 RSPs. Yeah, I was just looking at the minutes the other day. And we got the guy we hoped we would get, Brian Knight from Tundridge, an experienced, youngish guy. Nice. Well, that's great work you guys are doing. Well, there's life after the town hall. Yes, there certainly is. Back to what the Historic Renovation Commission was designed to do. Very good. And Karen Lane's been pretty involved with this one, right? Karen's just been awesome. Yeah, great. Somebody else to do some work. Yeah. Anybody else have public comments on the agenda? All right. Are there any additions or changes to the agenda? All right. Here are none. We could take the first offer because we have a memo from Santa that we're just going to kind of review if you'd like. From Santa? From Santa. From Santa Claus. Well, there's no snow out there. There's going to be 90 tomorrow, right? Right. That's exactly what she said, too. Oh, my. Okay. Clear up my vocabulary. All right. So, anyways. Where do you want to start? Truck lease. Yep. So, I'm assuming everybody's got the information that Toby sent around. Yes. And it's in the public folder. So, where we left off was there was that whole issue with the motor and then they found a new motor. I think it was an email to put in the, it says, it's got the code right there. And there was some attachments. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I think Katie put them in there, the attachments, right? It does come through the day. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. Yeah, it's at the very bottom, the western star. Yeah, the western star. It's at the very last, it's at the way at the bottom for some reason. There you go. There you go. There you go. Yep. There we go. When we met last, there was this whole, you know, we kept talking about this motor and a used one and a new one and what the value of the truck would be and so on and so forth. Right. So, where are we at with the old truck? The old truck, if the motor's in it, it was running. It's been here. It's been in service for only a couple of days, but it went back today because it keeps running the battery dead, so something's drawing it down. They told me, well, I don't want to bore you guys, but I went down there to pick it up last week, maybe a week and a half ago, and started on our way back, quit beside the road. Twice. So I called them on the interstate. So I said, what do you want to do? They said, well, can you get it back here? So I nursed it back there and it quit twice on the way back. So when it quits, it just shuts right off. The panel says stop engine, so you have to stop the engine. So you pull it over as quick as you can, shut it off, let it set there for a minute, start it up, you can go another little bit. So brought it back to them. They did a bunch more stuff to it. Then last week they said, yeah, they got it fixed. So we went and got it again. What was it? We're not sure yet. It's a multiple problem. It's just a problem truck. It's just a problem truck. What I think is going on is that the cooling system, it's got a fan that comes on and off. So when it gets up to a temperature, the fan comes on. And I think what's happening is it's not telling the ECM, which is the brain, that we're cool now. So the brain thinks that the motor's still hot. So since then I pulled them, you need to put a different ECM in it. So they've agreed to that and they're going to do that. They were doing that today. That's why it's back down there. So they were going to pull this ECM out of a different truck, put it in there. And you can do that? Sometimes they're programmable. Okay. ECM is programmable from one truck to another. So they were going to do that today. And then there was also the separate issue with the batteries going down. Something drawing the batteries down. So during the process of them trying to figure out the problem with it shutting down, international told them you have to change the ground wires that ground the batteries. So they went and did that. And since then is when we've been having the problems with it starting. So it's got to bring them over. But it still doesn't work. And it ran for a while, but now it's not starting. So today I sent it back down there because it's got to be right. And I'm not going to pay them until it is. Where is there again? J&B International. That's Colchester. So are they saying this is related to the install of the motor? Or is this separate? It doesn't matter. It's on them. This truck needs to run. I was wondering if they were trying to separate it and say, well, we're going to bill you for all this. No. There was some extras that was not included in the motor job. There was a starter. Because they got it all, the motor all in it. And it turned out the starter was bad. From sitting? It got moisture in it and shorted out. But that was only a $300 starter. So I'm hoping to get the truck back tomorrow. And we'll see. I've only gotten like one or two full days out of this truck since it's coming back. So I don't want to pay them until it's right. Right. The plan was to use that until we get this leased truck here. Which isn't going to be until... Use it sparingly. Until we get the new one. And the new one is... The new one, well, we won't have it in service until January. January, okay. The cabin chassis comes in November. But then it's two months to get it put together. Now we're on schedules for both of those companies. And then we're looking to sell the truck. The truck with this new motor almost everything is working. We're going to sell it outright and not trade it, correct? Yes. Well, we've gotten an estimate from a wholesaler through J&B. That will give us $45,000 for it. If we get it to them before the new year. So we're going to be a little bit of time without that spare truck. There's just no getting around that. But we have the spare, spare truck. Right. Which is... Which is actually better than the... Yeah, but that's getting old too. I mean, that's 2009. So that's three years older than this one. So it's showing the same things too. But it has been more reliable, yes, by far. Yeah. So that's where we are with the old truck. And like I said, once I get it right, I'm going to use it sparingly. And hopefully we can get it through until the time we can get rid of it. So with the new truck, you guys have seen all the quotes. It brings the total to $194,500. So that's all the warranty. What's there now is all the warranty options. And then we're into the three options for leasing, lease companies. Yeah. So me and Sandra did a little bit of figuring. Okay. And it turns out that the state bank is the better option. 4.1. That's this one. Yeah. It's not the best interest rate. But because it's the first payment would be due in two months from now. Two months from closing. Two months from closing? Right. Whenever you close, the first payment. Is due January 15th. January 15th. Right. So it figures out that the payment would be $27,791 from them. $27. It's not on there. That's some of the math. That's the annual payment? Yes. Wait, are we looking at, we're looking at bay stone, not state bank? You want to be looking at state bank. But it's called state bank. Okay. So Alfred, it's better for us because. I'm just saying it's a lesser payment. Okay. It says payment amount $31,755. Right. You times that by seven years. So does that mean we're keeping the trucks for seven years instead of five? Well, that's what it's been all along, seven years. Right. I know Greg recommends five. But we are making sure we get a seven year warranty. With that said, I am not in favor of. I would rather have a five year lease than to have a seven year lease. Because at the end of seven years, you have no truck. I mean, the truck is beat up. Your value is gone. So yes, that's going to make you a bigger payment. But you're going to be able to get rid of that truck with more refund. Can we go back to why this one is better? Is it because we said it's, is it because if I'm piecing together what I heard, you make the first payment earlier. So you're paying interest on less principal. Yes. That's what it is. I believe that's what it is. Okay. And what was the, what were the other options? Can we scroll? Let's go up to the first one. And this was community leasing. Payment 32. Interest 3.8. Yeah. So I see what she meant. She took their monthly payment. Yeah. Times it by seven. Was it seven years? Yeah. And then the difference between the purchase price and that figure that she come up with, that's how it's a better deal to go with the state bank. So if you, if you take MLC and you take their, their monthly or yearly payment, times it by seven, you get 227,426. Then you minus the, the asking price, you get 32,926. So what she's doing is figuring out what we're paying for this lease. And the middle one is the best one, the state bank. And I think it's because of the, because of the terms. The way the terms of each lease. Yeah. And this is the state bank. But it seems to be, you could, you could pay it early. Well, I don't know if the terms of the lease would allow you to do that. That's a good question though. Yeah. I mean, it seems to me we can align that and go for the lower interest. The lower interest is obviously the best value if all other components are the same. So if you take that concept of making, starting your payments earlier and apply it to the lowest interest, the theory, if you take the best elements of all the ideas. Because there's no reason why we couldn't make a payment in assuming there's no reason. Right. Right. In September or October. Right. Well, no. No, because it won't have the truck yet. The term of the lease dictates when your payment's going to be. So all of these three leases that we have have a different payment due date. Right. And you don't want to make a payment until you have it. We won't have it. That's decided at the time. Now, Sandra was saying that January would be a better time to have a payment come due because all of the rest of the payments are around June, July. Oh, for the other equipment of the year. For the other payments, the other equipment payments that we have. So she was in favor of having the payment in January. And also given the fact that it's a lesser amount. Do we think it's a big deal? Does anybody know? Is it a big deal to go back to somebody who said, well, we're going to time your payment in June? Or is there a penalty for early payment? Well, there might be. But we haven't agreed to anything yet. So we could go back and say. Well, certainly we can go back and ask questions. We really like your interest rate. And I'll just say that Toad was the one that researched this. So he handed it to me this morning and I'm trying to represent it the best that I can. I didn't ask any of these questions. He won't be here tonight. So just in the short time that I had, I had got this this morning. I worked all day. I came in here and gave it to Sandra. And she and I sat here for five minutes and she did the math here. And so this is what I've got. Alfred, you're the only guy with people with all the answers aren't here. That's okay. That's why you're getting all the questions. Do you know when we have to sign this by? Only in time so that we can buy the truck. Truck comes in November. So we have to have our financial institute in place before November. So I wonder what it would be to do it for five years. Yeah, that would be something to reach. So maybe we could put in a minute. So when Cliff and I meet with the staff on Wednesday morning, we can ask them to do some further research. Well, and if it's a five-year term instead of a seven, probably maybe the interest rates. Normally you could get it over. So I think there's still time to do some investigation. I think we should. And find out about early payments or early payoff, five years. You know, some of those kinds of questions we can ask. I think as far as the early payment payoff, I mean it's a lease. So it's, they're planning on that going the full term. Right. You know what I mean? It's not like buying a car outright. You can go buy a car outright and get away with the interest. This is a lease. They're expecting you to pay that lease every year. That's how they make their money. It's not like buying a car. You know what I mean? Going to the bank, getting a loan. You run into someone and you can pay it off. You don't have to pay that interest. This is, this is a lease. You're signing a contract. Right. Right. Well the opportunity then is that we have two or three quotes. And so there's a market and there's the opportunity to go back. Yeah. So I think what we can do is on Wednesday when we meet, we can do some further investigation and check out the five year, what the five year option would be. Right. And then we can talk about it at the next select floor meeting again. So then. Because I don't think we have all, I don't think we have all of those quotes. Yeah. You should have. Yeah. This is all in the document. Is it all in here? Okay. Communities saying state bank and MLC. Well, some are, I don't know. No, it's not in that one. It's in the one that came from here in the Sander County. And came in the Toby. Yeah. And then like, Toby stuff. That's why I got it. But it is in the folder. Yeah. So we can look at it there on Wednesday with Sandra. And you're welcome to join us if you want. But I mean. And you can let Toby know he's welcome to join us too. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So what day are you going to do that? We'll do it Wednesday after we have the town hall meeting. We'll be doing the staff. We'll meet with the staff. So it'd usually be around nine. Okay. Nine, nine, 15, something like that. So. With something sort of related to this. For that first payment. Where are we? How are we going to come up with the money for that? And eventually we're going to have to talk about this. So. Yeah. Was talking to Sandra a little bit today and she said. So the first payment for that first payment is $34,000. So that's enough for. Our first payment. We'll have to budget it going forward. We'll have to budget it. Yes. Right. But because it's a lease. You really just need to get over that first payment. Right. And then you can budget the rest. Right. So where I'm going with this is that. If we take that money out of there. When we sell the truck outright. outright because none of these figures have the trade money involved so we take that trade money which is hopefully going to be around 45,000 and we refund that that equipment fund with that right so I just wanted to get that out that's sort of what I would like to see happen that makes sense to me well you just don't want it to go into like a general fund surplus or something is what you're getting at right that should go back to the equipment fund right but I mean we've got we've got that much money in there so we could sign this lease tomorrow and have have our first payment covered right but we're not going to no I got we got more research to do but I'm just saying that money's there right now we could we could sign our first payment right and by the time we get ready to make a payment the audited figures will be back and we'll know exactly how much I think it's all I think it all work out fine yeah okay and we do have time I mean it's not like it's it's it's gonna happen right well yes but we still need to keep it on the burner right I don't want the truck to come and then we're still wondering what we're gonna do right well we'll talk about it Wednesday and then we can put it on the next select word agenda yeah which would be September 10th I guess it is right yes okay okay all right so I'll have more information we'll all have more information by then right about this yeah okay good so I think that's all I've got as far as the truck stuff goes okay normal activities is we're working on Jack Hill I see that yeah and they told me they were going to be ready for regular gravel which is my part tomorrow but that's not happening I'm sorry I've done enough of these I know it's not gonna happen tomorrow right but it won't be specific gravel type well the town's responsible for the top coat and he's only going to bring it up to a foot above the culvert that was what was in the contract so once he's done that part then we'll bring our gravel in and sort of finish it up but he's not to that stage but by the end of this week we should be having it oh really okay I didn't know what it's gonna take it look pretty impressive yeah when I don't buy it a couple times over the weekend and stuff yeah yeah so where the old stone go that was there the old stone is sitting in behind the town garage was delivered there by gravel construction over it yep it's all part of the contract well and I will use that for headers around culverts because with this new permit that we were have to follow the municipal roads yeah yeah did you see where we got ours every covert requires a header header yeah we got our municipal roads general permit issued today so yeah that's that and then we just been working our excavator on changing some culverts we did the grant the grant project on loose road it's all done that's ready for submittal we've been working a lot with those young fellow back here on the town hall pretty impressive picture yeah yeah I think I sent him around very great very impressive oh I saw this from you know pretty yeah you built some window boxes or so I have not done that yet what I have done is I've bought liners like window box liners so they'll just sell build the box so they'll just set in there and then spring and fall or whatever they want to somebody wants to take them out to maintain the flowers yeah we're not making just no right but I figured that would be easier rather than having a wooden box that nobody can lift or right struggle with trying to make a way find a way that I could that could they could be taken off easily and without building a steel bracket or something so I just bought these liners that'll set down in and they can take them out perfect whatever they want to take and whatever they want to take Bob Catlett was that that's Alfie's general contract in the Bobcatlett donating that equipment not really but well we were sort of we had to find a way to get gravel inside underneath the building so that was the best option yeah I know that I know you guys are really busy this is not meeting up on you we did say a couple weeks on the boxes when we were out there right so it might be worth at least yeah no it's gonna happen no I know it's gonna happen but just for somebody doesn't have to be you even touch base and say we haven't forgotten you did that I did talk to read today also I talked to you right I talked to read and I talked to Chris like a week or more about yeah let them know that you hadn't forgotten yeah the only other thing I had was at one of our town hall meetings somebody asked about do we have any kind of signage you can put on Kent Hill that's like shows the curve or slow down or something like that do you have any signage that they have placards it's an arrow and we put I don't know which curve they're talking about but we have put some up there yeah it was a neighbor who wants to see the road it has nothing to do with the town hall project right he just wants to see Ken Hill road has some caution slow signs or something or I don't think the science will actually but it doesn't hurt to have them right we thought originally we thought he was just talking about while the town hall work was going on but that's not what he meant he was talking just in general so I'm not you have some signage you or some well I mean we've got arrows and I'm just trying to figure out where the problem spot is because this is this David she's my chance no okay got you so it's not it's not if it's that house it's not a curve I don't know what to do a slow we don't have a lot of there's not we could ask him when he can you be at the next town hall meeting we can ask him because I wasn't clear is this herney pairs no it's not right no no Chris Colt Chris Colt he lives in the middle of the corner right Chris Colt come on into the road I'm confused I need to know who it is so I can he walks on him I just told you okay Chris Colt okay but I don't know Chris Colt I don't know that name oh okay or we're just at a blue barn house there he's the one who did the back apartment but he's concerned when he's so is there a chance that we can get him to call me directly so I can get his concern because I mean I'm guessing here I don't know yeah no I can have a call you or he'll be here probably for town hall meeting and you're coming round nine anyway so I can just ask him to stay okay I didn't think I didn't think it was like this big deal so that's why I'm saying yeah no it's not a big deal I just I just need to know what he's looking for yeah clear when he was looking for either I thought he was looking for like those signs that show the S curve thing that's what I had written down in my notes but maybe that's not what we're talking about as I understood it he just kind of like to see some mechanism that might encourage people to slow down especially closer to the town hall but overall the road itself it is a major artery artery and there's a lot of people who aren't even obeying the speed limit signs so right he's just wondering if there's any visual cues we could put up maybe by the curves or in vicinity of the town hall that caution or wavy lines right well that's what I was saying in the corners up there we do have a little triangle yeah coming up I mean I always called it honest right so if that's not enough we can look into other things I just don't I can need to know where the problem areas that he's referring to one if you're gonna come for around nine o'clock anyways and then tomorrow is this road erosion last war road erosion thing at the time for our attention to do and what's this thing about they're gonna have this first student bus people up there is that for real that was something I read on announcement I was like really they're gonna bust people did Apple maybe oh they're gonna have a localized meeting area and then this I heard like there's 50 people coming really where are we gonna fit 50 people well I don't think we got 50 chairs I guess right right got a bay open yeah yeah when did they let you know about this because the first I heard about it was on this the CVRPC weekly roundup right right and that's where I heard about it I thought it was just gonna be a site visit to go look at our project on right but now as it's clear it's it's we're gonna be an hour at our shop to discuss it and then we're going to Apple Hill to look at the well they didn't let you know ahead of time I think it was something that Toby might have said and we all know we don't get all the details from Toby so I am I'm ready I mean the shop is playing you have this you want that that's just the that's what I printed off and then something I read that came with that talked about the first student bussing people to this site this and unless they have one of those little van things well they called me up Dan Courier called me up and asked me if I could close the road down and this was right after I got chewed on about Apple or Jack Kale being closed and not notifying people so I'm like Dan no I'm not closing the road we can put signs up we can put cones in the road to warn people that we're going to be standing in the road but not closing it right especially for an hour we're only going to be there for an hour so I told them no I'm not closing the road yeah so I've got these regular official flagger symbol signs that we'll put up yeah let people know that we're in the road okay and that should be sufficient okay so are we all coming to see our work out yeah I mean I've looked at it already yeah but yeah all right so it'll be interesting to see what everybody thinks of it yeah all right guess that's it just wondering how are we coming with Paul and the evaluations well I've had computer glitches I started to create it in Excel and found out that wasn't gonna work so I'm transferring it to a Word document trying to make it so you can just check off boxes so I'm about halfway through and we're supposed to be meeting on Monday all right so maybe we can do it are you available on the fifth maybe you and or something I can meet on the fifth yeah let's do it on the fifth and we'll review it and then hopefully you can just you can just print it off and you can check boxes I know a ton of them right yeah there's like 20 and then it takes a while for me to review all those that it unless you wanted to try and do it because you're gonna be here Wednesday I'm not gonna be ready by Wednesday okay so if we can do it the following Wednesday that would be better for me okay yeah so the road name signing on the stick around to that again yeah let's do I mean we're gonna have to take we're gonna take stuff out of order just because you're here John's here Ben's here so let's talk about then it's sitting right behind you so Ben requested the naming of the road as Reed Wood Road okay and I've checked and there's really there's no big thing about how you're supposed to talk about doing this you've talked to Ann Winchester about the 911 issues you're all set with that yeah and what we have done in the past is because we want to have our signs all uniform and you have to email on one of the standards is we would buy like the first sign right next to me it's stolen I guess that's on you okay for the grease on the sample do you have any comment on the road it's a private road so we'll be maintained by the town right right is it just one house there's building one house now just do it now yeah I mean that makes that's all nine what stuff is already all taken care of yeah and would the town install the sign okay only because you know in sign in the right way right so it needs to be the proper post and it's just great just easier where's typically on the right-hand side just so you know that our driver's going to shrink a little bit so what's the name I can write it down for you so I'm just thinking of the length of the sign because the longer the name the longer the sign has to be right like they come always really long right so any sign that's over four feet wrong has to have a double post this would have ten letters read wood road because you don't have to spell out road right maybe got to put private pbt oh so it's going to be two signs or two sign posts it will be read wood rd and then but you have to put in parentheses that we're not trying to see but you have to put pbt that adds to saying anything over four foot long yeah two posts that sounds like how many letters get us to four feet I'm not sure you would consider just naming it read road I can bring it up to the family read wood or wood is the family name that we got the inheritance to buy property with oh I thought it had something to do with like firewood we've all been using as a wood lot but the wood is the last name of the person I see I see okay I get it has a value do you need to go do you need to meet Ben out there and look at it all or no I mean I just with two sign posts it takes up more space and I don't think you'd be close enough for my and Alfred can let you know what he's going to install it is that's the Stux have to post them yeah all right so should I order that by the way yeah I don't know that we have to do any kind of official motions or anything we did I think that's I second that emotion all right and Alfred will work with you on when you know just out of a courtesy one is going to be installed and you understand you may have to cut some stuff to install it it'll be a double post and like I said the town will pay for the first one hopefully it won't get stolen like the lightened roads on you so I'm getting that my baby looks like it doesn't get stolen when it's well right thank you all right salsa and chips here guys yeah can I just go question about the whole road because you sent out the 911 stuff and maybe it's been it's unusual we've had two of these in just about as many months but yeah but put an addressing maintenance system in place we don't this is it right this is our system right we use the state system right John the state the state system we didn't put the information into their system right but 911 well since they use that you just kind of this process like what is the process for address well there's a map form and you can add a new road and just give it a new name and you get a range the first house the first structure in the last house those addresses establish a range that's it give to you 911 it's not that answers that no it doesn't answer my question but you know if this keeps happening eventually we might want to have policy that says come to select for your near name idea coordinator yeah I mean that's kind of what's what is happening right because the select board has to approve the road name right this is the first one is when we did the one on off a route 14 usually we don't have any if we had a would be like a one-page policy that we go on the website says can you see one in the suburbs you're gonna yeah I'll do that yep I said I'm right in John or just draft it and send it to Anna John to look at I don't even know what to write but I can talk to people about what to write yeah you would have to start with me talking to somebody yeah yeah yeah I think it's pretty pretty pretty easy policy yeah plagiarism is encouraged right yeah I don't know maybe some other towns like East Montalera Berlin might have something on their website that's where I would look oh that's a good idea yeah I would do that first all right so I guess we're done thank you then thank you great we want to call Judy she sent an email he's in Pennsylvania yeah I answered the email today oh you got it okay when I tried to return one it was the wrong he's addressed was the wrong yeah she had a typo in the address yeah thanks Ben thank you Ben I don't think the town hall yet okay okay we're pretty much starting maybe some of the demo I've done or progress the demo is finished the demolition contractors did all this oh well Gettys came with the building up moved to move in four feet back four feet toward the corner and then Alfred and the crew came in and did the site prep they took for their footings the engineer called for a base of eight inches of crushed stone on which the footings for the Alfred was called that we went and asked three concrete contractors touch Taskins and Perry hardwick Harry Perry's the only one who responded knowing that they respond but they could fit in the schedule and start within five days and they were 30,000 28,900 and I think we budgeted almost 40,000 so we've been under budget quite a whole thing so far it's been amazing and everybody's really impressed with the quality of work it looks great around the site tomorrow the installation is coming and I'll be working with I don't know Toby maybe maybe Alfred in this group will put the installation around the inside and start putting some of the stone back against it green line builders is going to come in and the studs the existing studs the exterior walls of the lower level is hanging like a curtain from the permit or still being they've got to cut those and then they're going to put a two by a plate under those and screw it up into the studs so the walls are kind of straight they're also going to put the sill down on top of the concrete when that's done one of them won't even when we have a good idea when I go it can be done they're called days that's what we are right now so they got the sister some of the studs that cut them but the ones that are rather they all actually the rocks that in the front corner where the floor is rotted but it looks like we have to take three and three quarters of an inch off the studs and that could get us past the worst rot in that corner and then for the rest of the studs there's their studs and then they're periodically interrupted with a six by eight in line with the beam frame all the way up to the same length it's going to be interesting because the building was not raised level it was just raised and this is we get a leveling occurs when they put it back yeah well and then John those guys went over there and did some stuff with the windows upstairs so that they wouldn't yeah we want to keep the building tweaks a bit we're not putting stress on the corner of one of those big sashes we the town is continuing to act as a general contractor for the electrical so plumbing so far the next time I come for the select board we'll be talking about the person the company whoever the entity that will take over the project finally and and it won't be the full innovation committee making decisions though it'll be a larger bid that'll take care of all the carpentry the roofing insulation it's left to be seen that scope includes the electric or plumbing the town may continue to work as a general contractor which is fine it's a limited thing you don't mind it I mean you've been you and no we're going to become uninvolved as soon as they got someone else right now there's too many questions and so so it's going really well the project the more all people are very envious right how well this whole things going it's just it's like it was you know what it just it seems like it was meant to be the stuff is just kind of falling in place we have a really good committee of people with really great ideas you know the whole hyper local approach thing maybe you all should form a consulting firm and do this on the moral and that time will come for that too yeah anyway so that's that's the status green line will come and trim the bottom of the studs to get the put all that prep done for the building to go back down they've got a job they're working on and when they get rained out is there it's moving the skylights and stuff so on a rainy day when they can't do that they'll come here and so what we're shooting for or something like in 10 days time that we don't know that and so the building could be back down on the ground in two weeks for what it's worth we got one of the grant so far takes care of accessibility and so there are elements of the project that are accessibility related things like the plumbing under the slab that goes to the accessible bathroom that was something that's an accessible cost but we can't can't take any of the grant money for expenses that we run up until after September 1st so we have one in voice we had to pay yeah we've been paying some but right as long as we can show them $30,000 worth of building accessibility related that occurred after September 1st and we'll get all the money that they said we get and so that kind of determine the schedule and we're on that schedule yep and then is it what's his name Bob Webber Webber we gave him a low down payment just to get him started and then everything else he agreed to bill after September 1st when we have the grant right exactly and the under slab prep the plumbing and stuff that will happen after September 1st yeah so as long as John's here do you want to jump down to the item I shouldn't put it closer to the top about approving a hiring of John as the architectural consultant and the fee and the how this whole thing got started was when John graciously agreed to do a lot of the architectural stuff was that we got bids back for architects where anywhere is from what was it 40 to 80 thousand dollars thought the guy that had done most of the work and didn't have to do much work for himself without 48 the right so that I mean that kind of started the whole hyper local thing it's got first you got hyper over that right then it became local right and that's when John agreed and you know we we said right along we want to make sure we pay you something and I think that your fee of twenty thousand dollars for this whole thing including all the general contracting stuff that you've done all the labor that you've done already yeah I mean he's you've done a ton of already manual labor you're at least like on call 24-7 if somebody wants to go there and look at the electrical or whatever he drops everything and goes there he's also lost other clients as a result of town hall project so anyways I'm working really well it is going to break the price and charge so officially for the record we should probably have it in the minutes that the select board voted to have you officially hired as the architectural consultant and cat and you said 20,000 right yeah and we've already and that's max so I said we're getting a really good deal that's another item that came in way way under budget so move second further discussion also salsa no I'm good those in favor please say aye bye good decision you guys gentlemen thank you so much we're a little more in due course as we can go right but he's lost too much weight Thank you so much, next month we'll see some of the carpentry started, the slab will be in, so you should be able to walk in and walk around on that car. It looks cool, I came down Kent Hill Road, I was like, oh my god, that is so cool to see. Thank you very much, goodnight. Thank you Scott, thank you John. Puffy playtime, right? You bet. What's done? You know, we did like 6.30, 7.47, something like that. I'll give them a now. Start lighting 6.30? Yeah, for now. Okay, good. We forgot to vote on the name of the person. All those in favor please say aye. Bye. Back to the treasure update, everybody's gotten Sandra's memo, I think her memo was very well done, very easy to read. Really the only thing that we have to act on is the credit card. And we discussed it at length with the staff last week was it at the staff meeting? Week before. Week before. And I think it makes sense for the town to have a credit card, for instance I've used my credit card several times, one time it was like 400 and something dollars and then I had to wait to get reimbursed. So this would take care of instances like that that there's no other option. We're recommending a $5,000 limit. The card would have two signers, Judy and or Sandra. The cards would be kept in the vault. There would be two cards. Right, two cards would be kept in the vault. $5,000 limit, that's enough. Yeah. For a town. That's enough for us, but I don't have one. For what we're imagining using it. Right. Two cards kept in the vault. Right. They have individuals' names on them, but that's of no consequence. Right. That's a, it's this town of Calis and then the individual's name. A loud use of this, and we couldn't work with Sandra. We can work with Sandra to come up with a policy. And then will they, like the statements be audited along? Yes, like everything else. Right. And really what will happen is, you know, we'll get the bill. And it will get paid. So we shouldn't ever accrue any interest. And then there's this rewards program, which we can think about how we might want to use it. We might want to say that we're going to use the rewards to buy something for the office. Or we want to use the rewards to whatever. Thank you, gift cards. Thank you, gift cards. Things like that. And there really is no application process, other than Sandra calls Shelley Quinn up at the bank and says, yes, the select would approve the card for $5,000. And all the other things that we discussed, and they issued the card. And there we are. That's another whole one. I don't know what I'm signing. I know. Just papers. This was on one of them or both of them? Yeah. Put the papers together. Yeah. Yeah, because we didn't meet for a month. So we had two sets. Yeah. And I've reviewed every single one of them. Every line item. And I had some questions because I got answered, which you probably saw the answers to. So is there a plan that needs to have a policy? I think we probably should. Because there's a lot of places that say we can, we can, we can. Right. Well, I can work with Sandra to come up with a policy. I'll draft a policy based on our discussions and with the staff and bring it back to the board to get approved. Well, we have a financial policy already. So maybe it could just be part of that. Yeah. I could probably just make it. A dental card or extra, you know, regarding a credit card. I had a question on how this is going to work as far as when I pay for the renewal of the website every year. Because I'm using that special contact. Oh, that's something. Thank you. So converting it over to the town. Yeah. We can look into that. I thought about that. But I have to log in, you know, I have to log in myself and I guess I could just add a new credit card. Yep. And that way the office can take over doing that. You won't have to use yours. Your personal card. Yeah, but I would still have to do the renewal. I would have to log in myself. I have to log in myself because I'm the administrative contact. Right. That's right. Yeah. Right. So I don't know. I'll figure it out. But it's coming up due pretty soon. What is it usually on the fall? September. Yeah. Katie's Microsoft Office license. Thank you. It's an annual renewal. And I had to do the same thing. With your first. Right. Board admin email account to access that. And then I use my credit card. So it'd be the same thing. I'd have to use that log in again and switch the credit card over to. Right. Right. I mean, it's still going to come up probably you as the administrator, but it will have a different credit card, which we can do. Yeah. And I have to make sure it's not due September 1st. I think it's due September 30th. But I've been waiting because I knew that this was in the water. Right. So. Okay. Remind me to get you the number one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's due September 1st, which we mean I have to get our credit card. Right. Right. So that's September 1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The audits we expect to get. I forgot my notes from our staff. But we expect to get the management letter on FY 17 audit. Any day now. What is it? January 7th. Wrap up date for Friday 7th. Jordan's day that he'd like to have a draft management letter to me before that date. So we should have the management letter for FY 17 to discuss at our September 10th meeting. And they're actively, they were coming in the office one day last week to do the final stuff that they get from the office for the FY 18 audit. And then they go back to the office and do it all. What Sandra has said, it seems to be going smoothly. Good. We'll probably get done on a few things, but you know what? I look at that as an opportunity to make things better. You know, if they come back with some items that we could do better on, that's fine. Yeah. Awesome. You'll note that the liquid taxes are down to 69, 69. That's impressive. That's very impressive. And the money's rolling in from this year's taxes. Do we have a sense of like how long it's been since we've seen a number this long? And I can't remember a number this long all the time I've been around. That's a long time, probably 20 years, 15 years maybe? Maybe 15 years since I've been paying attention to it. So that's pretty good. That's really good. Very good. The office staff is looking and Cliff can attest to this. The place is crazy some days. And they're running around with four different handsets to phones. All connected to one line. All connected to one line. So if they answer the phone, you can't like transfer it. Like Judy answers the phone to Barbara. They can't transfer the call to Sandra. They have to run the phone over to Sandra to take the call. And it's crazy. So we're going to do some investigating. Cliff was going to check into like a real office phone system where you can transfer a call. So that if the listers get a call or not here, they can transfer it to their voicemail. Just like a real office has. And invariably systems like that are something that's a significant cost that we would have to get it approved. Right. We might not be able to do it until after the next budget cycle. But it's on the horizon. Intram because there are issues with noise level in here. We've proposed looking at getting a noise canceling wireless headset that they can use with the phone. Right. And be able to maintain conversations and focus despite. I have one that I got just a few months ago and I absolutely love it. Really? Yeah. What make is it? It's a, it's, it's, it's Bose and I will like to just look up which exactly which one I got. Bose is one of the best in terms of noise canceling. It's on touch too. Something like that. But I'll look for, I'll look for it and tell you what I have. That's great. Thank you. I have zero regrets. Good. It wasn't cheap. But now we know scheme of things. Right. For their sanity one day. So worth it. And you know we're also looking at maybe moving some things around so that maybe the listers are like over there. Something like that. Moving some stuff around inside. Instead of they're down there. Right. And if they're meeting with somebody, there's three listers, the people they're meeting with, the town office staff right here. So it gets a little chaotic and noisy. And in Santa, for instance, when she's trying to concentrate on figures, it makes it hard. So that's kind of what that's at. Santa sent us a budget update, but it's so new into the fiscal year. I mean it's only one month. So anyways, I guess we need a motion to approve the credit card for the town. I make a motion to approve the credit card proposal with the understanding that we are going to put a policy in place to address all of these points of this question. Right. The ones you guys noted on. Is there a member in her memo? Does that work? Yep. I'll second that. Is there any further discussion or questions on the credit card issue? Right here none. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Let's see what else what's next. We heard from John. The primary election that we had here in this little tiny space went very well, very smoothly. There were four of us counting at the end of the night and Sam and Judy and Donna and Barbara doing the tabulator. The absentee and early voting made a huge difference. And I forget for a primary, we had a pretty good turnout for a primary. So next election is in. What is it? November 6th, right? I think it's the 6th. The first Tuesday in November? Yeah, so it's November 6th. And that'll probably be a little bit more busy. But it's going to be here again because the town hall. Another thing, if I could go back for a minute, Sandra's summary. She asked for us to pick a date in September to meet with her to discuss the process for the budget. Yeah, yeah, I thought we would just schedule that. Okay. We can talk with her staff meeting and put it on agenda. We want to leave plenty of time to have that discussion with her. Got work for everybody? Yeah, yeah. We don't have the operations manager is not here to give us an update. Okay. How about we talk about the letter to Elizabeth shed? I had I just drafted it like a little tiny letter. I don't know what to say because it's really only thing that we have any say so over is her not parking her horses. In the town right of way, not parking her wagon in the town right of way. We can say that, you know, it's not safe for everybody. But other than that, I don't know what I'm going to say. When you say right away, she's putting the horses in the road, right? The travel portion of the road because of the difference, right? Right. They're grazing in the right of way and then they get into the road. Okay. Because pretty much every farmer including myself grazes the right of way. We all do that. If she's tying her horses up, we're just letting them roam. No, no, that's different. But we just need to be clear that we don't want them in a traveled portion of the right of way. Okay. Because like, you know, the big maple trees are to down marching down the road. Those are part of the right of way. That's right. People have fence, electric fence on those maple trees. They're grazing in the right of way. So we need to be so not grazing in the traveled. You can't. Well, depending. Well, horses cannot be located, cannot, they need to be fenced so that they don't end up in the traveled portion of the. Fenced away. Fenced away. Fenced away. Right. Well, that's what they're doing is they're free range grazing. Right. And so sometimes they're literally in the right of way. Most of the time she'll drop them off in various locations around town to graze. And it's really dangerous. Yeah. Somebody, there's, God forbid, there's going to be an accident and somebody's going to hit one of those horses and the horse is going to get killed or somebody's going to get. That horse went up in someone's lap. Right. I mean, it's really bad. Like a moose. Yeah. Like a moose. Yeah. Because they're tall. And it's like you can't, Wilson has tried many, many times along with Cliff to talk to her. And it's just, wow. So what is her response that she's doing her best? What's new? Is she new to town or new for her to have horses? I don't know why it's all of a sudden an issue. Does anybody, I don't know why. We never heard of it before. She's lived there a long time. She's lived there a while. About approximately a year ago she decided she wanted to have this totally solar off the grid organic farm operation. She got rid of her car and she has been working the horses to train them to be her only mode of transportation for going into town to obtain supplies. And she was initially going into Worcester and now she's going into. Right. So everybody. I'm sorry because she ran an organic farm somewhere. She was converting her property over to a solar powered organic farm. She's got a tree job. Yeah, that's kind of that issue. But she's growing mushrooms. Because she doesn't want to cut the trees. She doesn't want to cut the trees. She does some holistic healing type work. And if you go to her, I guess it's a Go Plenty or something like that page. She kind of talks about it in general. Must buy a draft horse. Yeah. One of the horses is not going to be capable of doing everything she needs. So she wants to get a draft horse now. And that's why she's got the GoFundMe page. I wonder if there's a place where she could put the horses. Is there a farm that? Neighbors have offered and put up a place where she could take her horses and let them graze. Oh really? Yeah. I don't think that's an opportunity. Yeah. Okay. And so that's the problem. And thus, you know, that's when the wagon was in the road. And I get emails from people or calls from people from various parts all over town. Where she's just like, she's in the woods. And the horses are just hanging around people's yards and in the road and stuff grazing. That's scary. That's scary. I wouldn't know. So nothing ready for that. And they've been found and they've been out at night. So, you know. That's bad. It's really a danger to the traveling public and horses. So, anyways. We had, I mean, is there no, isn't there, we had an issue come up recently that we kind of dealt with offline around keeping farm animals contained. These aren't considered, I don't think these are considered farm animals. We've checked with Jim Wilson and we have checked with Jim about it. There's really nothing. Horses are treated differently somehow. Right. I think they're more livestock domestic kind of thing. And then remember we had, we talked about the pound keeper thing and that's really not a good option because then the town would then be responsible for impounding the horses and having a place for them to be feeding them, having somebody take care of them. So that's not a good option. I hate to see those horses at your house. We're looking at the provision on the statute that we had. Jim has. He has? Yeah. And he said there's really no, and we don't really have any authority other than the fact that, and she knows her right and she's right. She knows what she's talking about. She knows what her rights are. The law is though that, yes, she can have the horses, you know, on the road. They have to be under control. Under control at all times. And that's where there may be something to address in this letter. Like you said, you know, they have to be under control somehow. Whether it's tethered behind the fence or not. So anyway, that's kind of where we're at with this. Working on a letter, I'm probably going to run it by Jim just to make sure that we don't say anything we shouldn't. Yeah, that's a good idea. Just make sure we always keep an eye toward this policy could be applied more broadly. Oh yeah. And so we need to be consistent. Well, we need to understand if the phone back to the language. Right. That's why I suggested that minor change. Yeah. So anyways, that's just an update and every little while, like I got an email from Wilson. It was yesterday. It's about the horse. And I think I put it. Yeah. Katie put it in folder. Yeah. The horse is in town. You see that dog? She's been parking them in my pillow. Yeah. She's in the walk, riding them down Main Street. Yep. And she's supposed to ride to the side to allow traffic to pass. She wasn't doing that. Sandy Conti, the, you know, control person needs my pillow. You're still with her because she'll go like right down the road and we'll get out of the way for cars. So it's just a pain, unfortunately. And I don't think she realizes. You know, that we're not just trying to do. Was she always wagging? Sometimes. Down the road? We're not trying to be difficult about this, but. Just another clarification. I was just up in the town of that island pond, heading that island pond. There's Amish people up there. They drive their horses right down the road because that's their right. They do have that right. And they have lights and cars need to wait for a safe opportunity to pass. They don't pull off. They're considered a vehicle like anything else. Just not. That doesn't sound like what we're talking about here. So I asked if she's riding a wagon, then she can ride down the road. I think sometimes she has a wagon and sometimes she doesn't. I think her ultimate goal is to be able to go into Montpelier wherever and get supplies. I haven't seen her on the county road. Somebody else told me that. I saw her on the county road. Really? Yeah. Was there a wagon? Right now, she's working on getting a wagon in order and a trained pair of horses to draw it. So she's working right now with the horses, training them to get used to cars and whatnot. With this ultimate goal of being to get this wagon fixed up. She's put a listing on her porch for her. I'm asking if anybody had any bear fat available that she could render to do axle grease for the wagon. Bear fat? Yeah. I used up all my bear fat last winter. But it is actually one of the best things you can use to make axle grease. Is that true? Yes. She knows what she's talking about. She's a smart lady. You know, I mean wanting to have a green enterprise, a solar powered farm is where these are, you know, nice goals to have. You just don't want to go in there and use your actuals. I think there's probably better alternatives to doing that. So anyway, I just wanted you guys to see them working on a letter. I'm going to get it ready out. So you know, Carl Hammer, just kind of this, Carl Hammer ride drives. He's got a Team Steer woman. He delivers eggs, eggs to the cop. Composes. He uses the horses. They're very donkeys, but they're very controlled. Oh yeah. Well, very well made. I mean, it's kind of cool. It's very cool. It's a pleasure to see that. Get behind them, yeah. Not everybody is excited about, you know, you've got to slow down. But that's what you should do. You know, I mean, this is Vermont. This is what we do. So anyway, so there's that. And Cliff, are you ready to show everybody the, can I ask a quick question on yours? So this is still true that you haven't, you didn't have a chance to review these. Oh no, I did actually. I know. So that, you know, it's just wrong. Right. I didn't take it off. Okay. Remember we had the issue come up, wondering about the public having access to the same documents that the select board has. So we talked about it. Actually, it's pretty cool. Basically, what we are able to do is create a sub folder in our select board to drive. And we call it a public. And in it, just like there are folders for the meetings, we mimic that structure. With a little bit different naming type arrangement. We always press it in the PD to indicate you're working with a folder that is public documents. And what happens is when the agenda is published and attached to the calendar, Katie is able to get a link to each of those documents and embed it into the agenda. So then whoever is looking at the agenda member of the public, they can click on this link and access the public document folder that has all of these documents in there. It's good. Unbelievable. And when she composes the minutes and sends us the draft of the minutes, she'll publish it to the website. It will also have this link embedded into it so people can refer back to this document. I think the draft minutes, they have to be public for five days. And I'm bad about checking whether we have them within five days. But this changes the apparatus that we all look at them before and then become public. No, they can be public. We talk about them. They're just called unapproved. So they're already published on the website? They are. Yeah, we're doing that now. Because we don't meet. Right. We'll approve them within five days. Right. Yeah. Well, until it's a big problem. Right. Well, think about it. I mean, it would give people the ability to compare the final product, the approved minutes. They can then link back to the original folder and see what it looked like before it was approved. Yeah. That's good. Maybe it's something for us to be, it is very transparent. I just, you know, I haven't seen it here in other contexts. I've seen, you know, you want to make sure it's right before it's, but we haven't had that. Right. I mean, but it's, I don't know how we would do that. If it's marked draft. Right. It may be totally wrong. Right. Yeah. It's marked draft. I mean, most of the time, kiddies minutes are really good and they don't need much tweaking. It's what you've been doing, right? Right. Because they're on there like the next day. You're right. You're right. I'm worrying about something that hasn't been a problem here. Yeah. So, and even if it is a problem, we still have to make them available within five days. Right. Yeah. We don't like the way it was framed. And then you make the changes and approve them. The only thing that might be different is right now I need down the unapproved minutes. As soon as you approve them, I've put the approved ones replacing. I don't leave up the unapproved ones for you to compare. Right. But you're right. Because now if this folder remains available indefinitely, there's always the opportunity to pull the unapproved ones, which you haven't offered before. Right. But I could, I could see us though taking the unapproved ones out of the folder. Right. Yeah. When the final ones are done and put out because we don't want people. We can stick them. So we can, we can archive them somewhere if people really want to look at them. You could also, you could mimic what you do in the select board. And just like you would replace the unapproved with the approved. You could do the same thing. Yeah. Will the link remain available with all the documents in it? Or are you going to take down? Well, that was one of the questions. Theoretically, the link was as long as it's. Right. I don't know why we take it down. Just a minute. Okay. Yeah. And I can't give you a way. I imagine doing what we do in the select board folder of moving these into an archive folder after a period of time. And unlike when you're dealing with Microsoft, you move a document into a new location. The chart kept them longer works for Google Drive. It would still function. And somebody might want to look at the old documents. Right. So are they, so while they're out in that public, I think that's where I went. And they couldn't make edits. That's right. No, because they're in read only. Okay. So I would think we wouldn't want to make edits in the public document. We want to do it in a select board folder. So about it, well, if we did them in the public document, because we get, we have this problem that you and I have talked about before that if we're all making edits. Yeah. Then it's a meeting. And if we're all doing that public, they're having a public meeting and it could be more efficient. It's so good. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. I guess I know. The primary driver behind this was that in the course of our meetings, we're pulling up documents that we review. Right. And it's not really the minutes that we're reviewing. The idea with the minutes is that we've all reviewed those, made our edits. And it's just a matter of saying, okay, time to approve this. But the bulk of the documents are things like this email that Denise asked Katie, hey, could you put this email from Jim into that folder and whatnot? So they're documents that aren't being edited. If you look at the list. Yeah. No, you're right. What I'm thinking was when we were working on a policy. We had a couple of policies we were working on. And we hit that. And then I went to the VLC training with the conservative interpretation that we shouldn't all be. Right. And I think that's different than the minutes. It is different than the minutes. The minutes are different by definition. But we've also said, I think that we don't perceive that we really have a problem in how we've managed our editing policies so far. I think we're doing our darndest to be as transparent as we possibly can to provide people with information. I mean, to speak to that point, maybe it helps if we think of it this way. We say, okay, I just did a draft of a policy and I pushed it into the folder. Katie, will you make it available in the public as well? And then we meet and we review that draft. And we say, well, we need to make some changes. Right. And we make those changes. Chances are, if somebody gets a sign, hey, you know, let's go clean this up and bring it back to the next meeting. Yeah. And now it carries over into the next folder. And we say, okay, Katie, can you put this next edition? But that's where we went into problems is that's not exactly how it always comes. Well, I think we're trying to be better about that. So that we're not making edits, maybe at off meeting. There's no reason we couldn't do it that way either. If we decide, hey, this is important. We need this to be completely transparent as we develop this policy. Let's maintain it in the public document and do our edits in the public document. If we decide it's important enough an issue. Or acknowledge a process that might be different and be transparent about our process that is going to be efficient and thoughtful. So are we trying to come up with a solution to something that's not a problem yet? Or do you want to be thinking about it or what? I just want to be aware of it. Well, that's why I asked the question, can we make changes publicly? The answer is no. I mean, I extended those. I don't think we want it so that the public don't want any edits to our own. No, we don't. No, you're right. I agree with that completely. No, no, no, no. But it's all or nothing is what I'm hearing. It's like if the document's out there, there's not a way that we can all be making edits. We could set the folder up that way so that everybody on the select board, just like you have the ability to edit documents within the select board folder, we could grant you edit. So all right, that's good to know if the time comes that we want to do that. No. That only we can make those edits. The way I set it up is with the idea that... And then they're public. Exactly. The way I set it up is with the idea that it's available to the public as a read-only document. The only editing that's going on there is adding or deleting folders from it. And if we decide at some point we need to change that, it's very easy to do it. And that could be a case-by-case basis, right? Document by document. Yeah. It's been, let me hear some people talk about policy. Right. That big a deal. That big a deal, right? Yeah. Okay. Is everybody good with this? Yep. Thank you, Clev. That was really great. And then so I guess I'll have to believe it quick. One more thing is now we have to be extra careful about what is in there. No. That's one of the things that we stumbled on when we first started this. And we have a plan that if it's a document that's like something that we would go into executive session for, which would be personnel, legal matters, those kinds of things. Confidential folder. Confidential... Well, I would tell Katie that it's not a public document. And it would stay in the Select Board agenda folder, but not be public. And Katie is the only one who can put something in the public folder. Should we have a code on that? I can. Denise and Katie can. Once again, we can change those. The public documents are encoded with a PD. Maybe confidence should be CD. We should have a code on those. Well, that's what Katie was discussing with Denise and I before the meeting started. Denise will send the document to her and say, this is not for public consumption. Just put it in the Select Board folder. She's going to come up with a naming convention. Okay. Doing something exactly like we just talked about. She puts a hyphen and a CD after, SBO after or something like that. So, clearly identify. And you're like, Katie, you're also, I'm sure you're looking at it saying, I've done the same, right? Right. I mean, I want her to double check and ask questions. Yeah. And sometimes she does. Yeah. It's not clear what do you, you want both these documents in here or just this one. So, I think we have a pretty good system in place. If something doesn't look right, I want you to say so. We might think about like when there's an email string. And sometimes the email needs to go in for content. Right. And that's what I sometimes tell you to put the email in. Right. And if the whole email is going in, maybe I'll just look to see if it seems like there's anything at the bottom. On the deli area or something. Right. Right. Like you might not want out there. Okay. Yeah. That's good. Okay. Because Gmail sometimes can get really. It's weird. Weird. And you can like go over collapses. Right. And sometimes you can forward a message, but it doesn't forward the whole thing. And sometimes you can forward just one message. And it's like, sometimes I can't tell when somebody's responded. Right. To a Gmail. I don't like the string thing. They're all done. Yeah. Yeah. All right. John, you want to give us an update on CDRPC? With us briefly. I spoke with Denise a little bit about the phone. So in addition to my monthly duties as your representative, the town's representative to the regional central, our regional planning commission. I'm on a subcommittee to clean water advisory subcommittee. I'm also on the facilities committee that looks at her facilities that are infrastructure that's engaged in some process could be at the public utility commission. I don't know. Back to 50. Usually stuff like that has a regional significance. But this clean water advisory committee C WAC. Pam. That's the acronym. Pam DeAndrea is the staff person. Our neighbor. The staff person for CDRPC person who staffs it. And then Karen Bates is the representative from the state. And so each main water ship in the state is the state is the resources is developing a plan for monitoring and, you know, managing and limiting, you know, pollutants going in there. And strategies are going to be part of this plan and implementation schedules and all that. So the process is a good process. They so for each watershed, you know, there are regions is a region or more than one region that is has an interest in that watershed and its protection and growth within that watershed and how to limit the impact of growth and, you know, roads are storm water permits or one issue area. And as part of this conversation, it became readily evident to me that the only contaminants of concern by the state agency and resources are sediment and nutrient phosphorus and nitrogen. That's it. They're not looking at anything else. And so I raised a concern a few meetings back that this plan is kind of myopic. It doesn't, it's not as broad as it needs to be. If we're trying to protect the rivers and Lake Champlain is where our Winooski River flows to from all possible insults, it's not just nutrient. That's a problem, right? Nutrients are causing these, they call them algal blooms or cyanobacteria blooms. But and that's what's bothering people because they see it. Is that the stuff in Lake Champlain? Yeah. And, you know, originally the theory 10 years ago, 15 years ago was, well, just don't you dog eat it. But it's okay. It's not a risk otherwise. Now they're saying it's a risk in very low concentrations if you ingest it. And I just, and now I'm reading that volatilization or it atomizes from getting splash in the air and the breathing of it. So John, for example, what is something else? Pesticides, herbicides. Okay. Things that aren't really things. That's what you're saying. Like sediment is a thing that takes us. Well, and nutrients, well they're all things. No, no, no. Yeah, no, I asked. Right. Yeah, yeah, sediment. What else should be on the list? So the conversation got pretty deep into the need for the analyticals to be, to include pesticide runoff in addition to nutrient runoff. So Karen Bates is going to check back with the folks back at A&R about, you know, whether that's something A&R would support. I mean, it's suddenly also dawned on me this is not our plan. We're assisting A&R in its development of its plan. So we have a chance to make it better. Yeah, and, you know, it's responsive to our concerns. But so Karen seems to be working here for us and she's going to reach out to Ag. Pam DeAndre is also reaching out to a retired employee from Ag who used to actually monitor and measure for these kinds of things. So, and in a longer view in terms of Callis, I met with Conservation Commission last week on Thursday because I got this idea that we might want to, we don't, there are no corn fields in Callis except for, so I don't see a direct impact from pesticide runoff to Callis, but we have lawns and stuff. But my concern is that we might want to get some benchmark numbers and analyticals on important water bodies in our town so that if and when these pesticides make their way here, however, that we have some background data to know that well, there's a change here and what may be causing the change. There's also a water body that's shared by Callis and East Montpelier and that sees a lot of Ag at the Sodom pond. Corn fields were ringing the East Montpelier side of it. So, those corn fields are in East Montpelier. Sodom pond is half in Caller. No, we're talking about North Montpelier. Yeah, it's both. It's definitely got both, but there's no corn there. Right. Yeah, but there may be some. Yeah, who knows. So, I talked to the Conservation Commission looking for it, looking to see if that was something they thought was a good idea and they seemed interested. So, over the winter, I want to develop kind of a strategy for what water bodies we should be looking at and what type of analyticals we should perform. Can we do some testing? Yeah. And then I would have to put together what I call a sampling plan. It's got to be done a certain way. So, it's above challenge. If there is a challenge, we do find something that's bad. That's when it's going to hit the fan and every effort will be made to debunk it. So, I got to do everything right according to the EPA protocol. So, I'd like to work on that over the winter and I bring it to you all in the spring and by that I should have more information so that the state Ag Lab will fund the analyzing of the samples. Maybe have two sets? Yeah, have duplicates done at an independent lab. See how it goes. So, that's like six months off anyway. Vice-Wan, I kind of get that on your radar. Interesting. Thank you. Thank you very much. So, if you guys are the pesticides they use around here on the corn fields, they're marketed as being innocuous and biodegradable. That's what they say about everything until it's not. I always say gasoline is biodegradable too. But they say that about all these things. They say there's no harm. There's no harm. And then 15, 25 years later, it is. Cheerios is like loaded with glyphosate right now. 1,000 parts per billion concentration. And the health advisory is like, I don't know, under 100 and they're at 1,000 range. And so the FDA and the EPA is supposed to like say, well, you can't sell that, but... And this is just Trump. It's happened. Rob, they're just looking the other way. Yeah. Because it's ubiquitous and nobody wants it. This is a new threat, folks. Yeah. When the stuff is so widespread, these agencies say, well, it's everywhere. There's nothing we can do, so get used to it. It's happening with those Teflon derivatives. It's ubiquitous. So they're saying, oh, well, we can't deal with it. It's just everywhere. They just keep adding to it. Yeah. It's a real problem. A little pieces of plastic. And then a little piece of plastic. It's in salt now. It's in salt. All kinds of things. Yeah. Yeah. And they're concerned. There's the plastic that they can see with, I don't know if they use an electron microscope, but then it gets so small. What do they call those little tiny nanoparticles? They're concerned that there are yet smaller particles that just plastic this stuff. And they put that in shampoo? Well, yeah. They use nanoparticles in shampoo. And face scrubs. The face scrubs, they used to use saline silica. Now they use plastic beads. And you wash it down the sink. And it breaks down. Is that that stuff they put in the hand sanitizer stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Those little beads that you put in. Yeah. Yeah. And this is wonderful. I love polypropylene. You know, it's the miracle 20 years ago was, these PET plastic water bottles. They're great. You can recycle them and you make ski gear. You know, ski jackets and the insulation thinsulate. And this. Yeah. And there's always. And then when you wash it, all the little particles go down the drain. They go on the sewage plant. They're in our streams. They're finding the fish tissue. They're finding it in our tissue. They're saying it's even in the air that in France, it's raining down and they've done measurements. There are tons of plastics raining out of the atmosphere in France. And it's worse here than there. And they think it's from the clothes dryers. Did you see how that man, that man worn that little suit against Monsanto? Yes. So I still want to know your budget. Yeah. Yeah. From the lightest phase. Yeah. So it's being looked at. I know. So I want to get that on your radar. Well, thank you for doing that, John. And they're also, they're also health risks. Always. Yeah. This is about getting in the water. But unbelievable. All right. Yeah. Thanks. Depressing. So we can all, we can all rest assured that John's going to take care of it. Thank you. We'll see you in the day as you help. But we're, I don't care for this. Let's see. All we can do is try to do our part. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. EMFD. What do you want to do? E-Semount Piliar Select Board would like to continue to do. I've got to go back and reread the emails. Because I read it one time and I think they want to do quarterly, and then I read it another time and they're okay not to. The problem happened when I forgot that there was a meeting, so I didn't notify all of you, because I thought it was in August and it was in July or whatever it was. You found out after effect. Right. But I should have had it written down as I was told by the fire department and Toby. They didn't send out any reason later. They sent out, they did. Well, no, they said, I mean the mistake was I didn't write it down because it was in July and it wasn't supposed to be. Anyways, we needed a better system. We need a better system. Rose is going to draft a letter saying that we realize that we missed this meeting, and we got kind of chest eyes because there's not always like, especially at East Montpelier, we usually have the best turnout. East Montpelier a lot of times it's just Bruce. But what they don't realize is that when you're on the select board or whatever, you probably have a job, you probably have other things you have to do, you probably have a family, and they're feeling like we are not committed and what was the word they use? Who was the fire department? Because that missed one meeting. No, because we don't have a good turnout at the meetings of select board members. I thought we always said select board members. We always do. We do, but they don't. East Montpelier doesn't. They say that it's just they being the fire department say, I'm trying to be careful what I'm saying, that it's disrespectful that more select board members don't show up. But it's up to East Montpelier. If they want to send Bruce and have Bruce report back, that's not up to the fire department either. That's their issue. But Bruce can't make, he can just take notes and brings it back. He's not a decision maker, so it's far from that. We don't generally make decisions at fire department meetings anyways. Well, we advise our decisions. When Bruce was the chair of the East Montpelier select board, he made the blanket statement that these are advisory and informational only, and no action will be taken. And so he already kind of, if you will, dumbed it down one level, like it's not an authentic joint select board meeting where things can happen. I know we always left it, but it is a real meeting, and we call it to order, and we adjourn it, and we have a agenda, and we have to do an agenda, but on their point, so oftentimes it's just Bruce who's the talent administrator. We actually have made decisions at those meetings. Yeah, very, very far in a few between, but an occasional new fire truck. Yeah, that's why they... Anyways, it's just kind of the, it's still the same atmosphere, I'm afraid to say, as it always has been with the fire department, that they don't really like, having to give us information, have us approve budgets. They would like to be able to just do what they want, and they are responsible. They do a great job. They're all volunteers, pretty much, except for now we have the EMT stuff, but they are not great communicators. Let's put it that way. So are you saying that they actually don't want to continue the quarterly meetings? They would like to have three a year. I think it's helpful to have them one in October, because that's when we're ramping up to do our budget for the town report. And I think, if I'm not, I'll double-check with Bruce, but I would encourage us to still do... We have the October, so October, November, and then we have December, and skip the January one, because that's when we're hot and heavy into budgets. We should have all the figures from then. And they check, they meet with us on the budget stuff at our board meetings. Usually, yeah. I mean, they come in, we've got to improve. Right. We vote here. So I'll chat with Bruce, but I think that we should... We should... Not side, but what's the right word? We should agree with support. Eastmont, Pealier, Select Ford, and their thoughts about how often we should meet, because it is important. It's a lot of money that we put into that fire department. Well, and can I also say, though, that... That's how I feel about it. I don't know how many of those guys live in Eastmont, Pealier. I don't live in Eastmont, Pealier, and none of us do. I don't know them. And so I wonder if we have a different informal relationship with the fire... Informal? Well, in that they tend to... They all live in Eastmont, Pealier. Historically... No, it's not in Eastmont, Pealier. No, it's not in Eastmont, Pealier. And we have a formal relationship, because we have an MOU, we have contracts. No, no, I'm not saying it's not formal. I'm saying the need to check in... Stronger friendship lines. The need to check in maybe the Eastmont Pealier Select Board. If it's true, even that... No, they're actually sometimes more insistent on information and asking questions than even we are. Okay, so in any case, I think that it's... Don Wells was a big... That's true. From my perspective, it's a critical resource for the town. It is. And it's important for us to have those check-ins. If the communication is this bad when we're not, when we are doing it, then obviously we need to just keep working at it. Right. And I would like to change that culture with them, that it's not about checking up on them, and we always say how much we appreciate what they do. Rose and I, every meeting we have, both of us say something, and it's like... And it's unfortunate because we're not. I mean, it's a lot of money. And it's not their money. It's the town's money. The tax payers' money. The problem is, when you have a volunteer organization, it's difficult to be managed by someone outside who doesn't contribute their fair share of volunteer effort. And so that's always a struggle to see how much the food co-ops do. Yeah. Well, and you were on military fire departments. Right. So it's tough. And I want us to have a good relationship with the three entities, because it's really, really important. Yeah. And I think we've been very supportive. I think one of the things that happened was that whole playing field thing that really turned things bottom side up and the select boards didn't like it and so said so. Anyways, and then, you know, there's just a whole lot of history there just keeping nice, communicating, showing up for meetings. And like I said, I usually do an agenda because I never know for sure if we're going to have a quorum. What is the next one? Do you even know? It's the third Thursday. But, you know, panning way back, checks and balances, whenever you see checks and balances gotten rid of, because people don't like to be checked and balanced. But it's good. And every time they get rid of it, I'm talking way big. I'm talking federal governments. That's when the problems erupt. And then they put them back in and people are like, oh, I guess we have to. And then they kind of forget. They lose that history. It's a necessary thing and it's also a necessary component, I guess, for there to be friction. That's what checks and balances does. It pisses everyone off. Anyway, we have to be used to that. We have to anticipate that. But that's healthy. Right, just like an audit for the town and we get done on stuff, but we can make it better. It's an opportunity. Nobody likes it, but it's an opportunity to make things better. Thursday, okay, this is the second Thursday in April. I think it's the third. Second Thursday in August. And then the first Thursday in December. And then, is it the third or the second Thursday in October? I thought all of these meetings were the third Thursday. If you look at the emails from the weather. So what did we say? Maybe just one thing. Starting in 2019, shift to three meetings a year. And we're saying, I think he's not telling you're saying, no, we still want to have the one in October. Yeah. So I've got to double check with Bruce. I personally think having the one in October is important. That in December, because that's when we're all doing budgets. So anyways, I'll check into it further and I'll send out a note just telling you when the meetings are so you can put it on your calendars, because I'm sorry, I forgot about the one in July. I mean, I was the administrative assistant for six years, and I'm the one who sent those reminders. And you're going to do up a nice little letter to send them out. All right. But they have a new person. So we thought we'd send a nice little letter thanking them for their blah, blah, blah, blah. And would you please ask your administrative assistant to remind the chairs of the various like boards, blah, blah, blah. Just a little note so that we they know that we're paying attention. Yep. All right. It's not a slight on them. It's just a very function of government. There are public muddies involved in. I know they know that. It's just the paying their jobs or stressed out. They work for your jobs. They work right. They work full-time jobs too. Don't blame them. No, we all have to be put up with it, that's all. Okay. Ooh. Getting close to nine o'clock, folks. I'm going to basically keep them track. So we did, don't forget, BCA meeting, Wednesday night. It's not here. It's not at six. It's seven. Okay. You saw the... I didn't put on my calendar. And it's here. It's here. And that is a quorum of the select board, a quorum of the JP's and the town clerk. The listeners present evidence this further Wednesday night, but just so you know, the listeners will prevent evidence first, then the appellant, then the elicitors can rebuttal it. Rebut. Rebut it. And then we have a mandatory site visit that we'll have to schedule for a different day. Then we close the hearing. I'm practicing on you guys for Wednesday night. Then we close the hearing and we can deliberate here, the decision-making body. It's quasi-judicial. Okay. And they are the appellant and the defendant. Right. We saw the issue about someone target shooting and stuff at the Moscow Woods transportation. Shooting downhill, huh? Very scary. So I notified Sam Hill, the sheriff. Do you do a drive-by or something? Do they? Yeah, they work on Sundays, I guess. Have them drive by there. Actually, I drove by there Sunday morning and saw that car and I'm looking to see if he was dumping trash. And there wasn't, and didn't see anything, but it must have been before he was target shooting. Oh, so that jogged my failing memory. Were we still waiting to hear back from the school board? Yeah, I was thinking about that today and I don't know if they ever did. I'll check in with that. It'd be great to get that done. I really think what we need to do is grass that in and make a nice little picnic ground. Well, I thought we could put up signage. Make it nice. We could put up signage for now about private property and put up no hunting or shooting signs or whatever there is. But somebody like that, they're not going to pay attention to signs. Or from porch. Well, it may be a one-off thing. Somebody's sighting in their gun for a hunting season. Right, maybe. Well, they probably thought it was a safe place. Who knows. But we're sure they're even to town not to the hillside. Usually you do that. That's why you'd be there. Okay, RV tech. I happen to see something on the news where some furniture store was attacked by ransomware. So when we were meeting last Wednesday with the staff, I asked about are we protected from ransomware. Sandra talked to RV tech and the answer is yes and no. It changes so much the ransom people, whatever programs they use. And the staff just needs to be very diligent about not responding to emails that look at all suspicious. All of us do. Yeah, I don't head home. I don't open stuff if I don't notice. But we all share a Google folder. So anyways, there is some security in place that RV tech does for ransomware but the caveat is it can still come through if you're not careful. If it looks suspicious, delete it. And then apologize if that was the wrong thing to do. We talked about the new phone system. We got this ransomware. We got this thing from the Vermont Community Vermont Council on Rural Development. And it's a Vermont Community Leadership Summit to nominate someone from your town to attend for free. And they send it to Judy and I and it's in the Google folder. And I think that I interpreted it to be the looking for up-and-coming people in towns that are future leaders. And I was actually I don't know, John, if you had a chance to look at that because you had some concerns. I'm sorry. I'm distracted here. The Paul Costello Community Leadership. Oh, yeah. It's an opportunity for future leaders to kind of get their wings out there. And so I was looking to see about us nominating somebody for that summit. Summit, they would get in for free. It's at Castle Tent University. Local leadership for the future of Vermont communities. And we all know volunteerism of younger people is pretty low. So I was wondering about nominating someone from Calis. And I had somebody in mind. And Judy had the same person in mind. Jamie Morby. That's who we need to talk about this. She's very active in like the town stuff at the garden. Maple Cormor Community Center. She makes sense. And I think she's an up-and-coming leader when we're all in our rocking chairs. So because it says for the select board to nominate somebody. So anybody have any comments, questions, concerns about this? It was a great idea. So I'll make a motion that we nominate Jamie to attend this conference. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Alright. Alright, last thing on the agenda. I remember when we were talking about invasive species. Five times a year. Five times a year. We talked about it. Five times a year. And Peter Harvey came and said he wanted to do an experiment on Old West Church Road and we said, okay, he said he'd put up signs and he'd talk to all the neighbors. Well, apparently he didn't get a chance to talk to all the neighbors. Because I had a call, emails from a neighbor and I explained the reason for not mowing and about the invasives and they seemed to get it about the invasives but not totally buy into it. So I asked Peter to go back and talk to them again because he didn't talk to them the first time. Apparently he showed up. They weren't home. Long story short, these residents are still concerned about the fact that their roadside was not mowed. There's a few patches of burdock, site distances that aren't good because of the weeds and all that stuff. So I'm just putting this out here because I don't know what to do about it. Well, it could be mowed now. We were supposed to have two mowings. Right, the signs were still up. So it didn't get mowed the second time because they've already done this the second time. So I'm not exactly sure what to do about this now. The issue with parking, limited parking and now if it's not mowed then it makes it even harder for people to park on Old West Church Road and that's often where people park when there's events like Fall Foliage Festival. So I don't know what to do about it at this point. Unless we ask Doug to go back and mow it now, he's going to charge us if we say go back. I don't know where Peter is at with the work that he's doing on the road. I do it but my bush hogs out of commission. Does Peter have any ability to mow it? Well, that's what I was going to ask Peter. He's getting something. No, he's getting something but probably not in time to mow right now. So I'm not exactly sure what to do. Well, the town doesn't have anything to mow it. Relatedly, we had the idea of possibly hiring a high school kid. Right, buying a tractor or mower. I really think we should give some thought this winter and during budget time to putting money inside. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on trucks we can buy a 15-20 thousand dollar tractor and mower used. It doesn't have to be new. We brought a kid around to mow. No, I think we were going to talk about it this budget season. But in the meantime, what do we do about this situation? What do we think Doug might charge? Because I don't know. I don't know what the invasive time is over so that it could be mowed now. Is it over? Well, I think it's gone in the seed. So if he's just mowing that, I don't know. Yeah. Now we're going to spread it around. Now we're going to spread the seed. What you're supposed to do is cut the seed heads now. Well, the idea was not to spread the seed. Well, Peter, the areas that were no mower areas were areas where Peter pulled the plants. Right, but you can't just pick and choose. Well, I asked about It was only a test. And I explained all that. And the thing is, Doug can't just like, oh, there's Burdock Bush mow that, pull the blade up. You can't just do that. And these people were very, very nice about it. They thanked me for all my service to the town. Very nice about it. But they're clearly not happy about it. Yeah. And I don't know that Peter has any ability to do anything about it now. Like, is it going to take his lawn mower down the side of the road? I don't know. Well, even then, it's... I think that we're going to have to get a quote from Doug to come back. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's that arm that reaches. Right. It doesn't ruin the lawn mower. We've said this before around invasives. We're trying to figure it out. And they were very appreciative of that and do the right thing. They were upset kind of that we didn't have they weren't in on the discussion, but we've talked about invasives at least two different select board meetings. And Peter came to us with an idea. And we bought in and we said, okay, give it a try. It's an experiment. And that's a learning process now. You know, we'll we've had an experience where some of the people weren't notified or didn't necessarily agree. Only one entity, right? So far. But then we didn't think it through that, okay, if this section isn't mode, what's going to happen? Like, yes, you can have invasives, but who's going to mow the lawn? You know, we didn't think that part all the way through. And I do like the idea of buying our own equipment. Then you could do it five times a year. And you could say, we're not going to mow this road right now because it's at this stage. But we can send the guy out there three weeks from then. Or we can continually mow it. So it never gets to the seed stage. That was my hope. It would actually improve. But once, and then it grows right back up again. Right. I mean, my understanding is the roadside mowing was really to prevent woody brush from coming in. At once a year. It's not really for sight distance stuff. Because it comes back. We used to only do once a year. We did. Now we're doing it twice. If you got mowed in May, it's that high. And it's twice as for the invasives. And what we learn is twice as in enough. Now, what we learn is really you should do it like five times. So if we had our own mower. Right, then we could do it when we wanted to. And when the guy's not, we could have a person just run around. Well, it wasn't the idea that those signs would come down for the second cut. Or no, that's not what we were thinking. I have to go back and look at those. It doesn't matter because whatever didn't happen. Right. And I tried to call Doug when they were out there mowing. But I never could get ahold of them because guess why he was out mowing. It doesn't have to be Doug. We could look for other... I mean, right? A lot of people have a brush hog that's not very busy right now. There's somebody else out there because I went by the Woodbury Town Garage like in July and they had this brand spanking new beautiful, you know, $60,000 John Deere tractor with a sidearm mower. I'm like, whoa. Is it theirs? And I said, wow. I wonder if that's theirs or if it's just being parked at their garage because someone's doing it for them. And then I'd swear I saw the same identical tractor inside our mower parked at East Montpelier the old fire department there. I'm wondering if it's another contractor. Well, yeah, because maybe that person if Doug's not available. Yeah. So I'll check in with those two entities and get back to these folks that we're trying to figure something out that we appreciate. Well, thank you for alerting us. Yep. Just saying that. Oh, we need to approve minutes. And Sharon and I both had made a few changes. As always, Katie did affect us. I do that. We've approved this whole slate of minutes as proposed with the edits proposed. With the edits proposed by Sharon and Denise. That were in our drive folder. In the Google folder. Okay. So they're second. And the minutes are what dates it was the meeting with the school board. The school board, the July 9th meeting, July 23rd. So did I miss that meeting with the school board? If you don't remember it, you did. No, you were here. It was here. That's right. It was here. Yeah, it was here. It's okay. I remember Denise. There's no cure. I'm thinking, did I go to school for a week? No, I'm waiting for these guys to get done talking so we can vote. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. One last thing. If somebody put this here for me to share with you guys. The New Hampshire Charitable Foundation up to the promise sent a check for $1,000. Deposit of the Enclosed Grant check signifies your acceptance and intent to comply with the terms of this award. It also serves as a request. Okay, this is this grant is for the Calis Trails Fund in honor of Reed Charrington. The first chair of the Calis Trails Committee. The funds may be used to create an endowment, trail rights, construct trails, or any other trail purpose approved by the town. Reed or Debbie. It says Reed. It's not Reed because he was the first chair. That's what I thought at first. Coincidental. Actually, I thought the same thing, but no it's not. So if they're looking for somebody to sign this grant, are you guys okay with me signing it? Absolutely. We get track and report and do lots of work. Expenditure of grant funds. It's probably all they're always wanting to know how you spent it on. Or we could have it in endowment. This came in as we will need to motion to approve under new business terms do not appear. Aronius looks good to me, Sandra. Okay. All right. So we got sent Reed a copy of that. Yes, and we'll make sure that happens Wednesday. So the select board will need to motion to approve this under the new business section of our agenda. Yes. Can we do that tonight? Because it's a money thing. We're receiving. We're receiving. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anything else under new business or old business? No. Thank you for this also. It was great. Oh, you're welcome. Get the spot, Denise. The neighbor issue. Oh, I was going to bring that up, yes. There's a neighbor dispute issue. I talked to Greg at length. He must have not been home because he talked forever. Yeah, I wasn't home. There's a neighbor dispute on Lightning Ridge Road. It involves Shoes. I guess we should say the names. Tim Seaver, Ben Reid and Ralph Mueller to some degree. And Greg is involved as the fire warden because I can make sure I get this right, Rose, because Ben Reid has this huge pilot, I guess they call it slash, which is like a burn pile. Yeah, a brush. And he's got it as kind of a barricade on his setback from his property line to barricade against Tim Seaver who every chance he gets blasts music really, really loud directly at Ben Reid's house. Why? It's just a neighbor dispute. Tim Seaver is also the fellow that likes to fly the drone. The drone. And people don't like it, and that's part of the neighbor issue because that's part of it. I don't like it. It's been droning me. Anyway, so this is just to update you. Ben Reid probably will never burn this pile, but if he does, he can burn it in the winter when there's snow on the ground and there's absolutely nothing we can do. Greg's the fire warden. Also, that's a concern that he's gonna light it up. Right. It's both. Tim Seaver put up a plastic fence. Like a snow fence. And he's worried that if Ben Reid sets the pile on fire, it's gonna melt his fence. Then he has to replace the fence. I'm just saying. This is really just to let you guys know what's going on. We really have no involvement. Right. And let me set an email today and she asked Greg to make a formal determination. She wants him to put it in writing that really the fire warden doesn't have anything to do with it. If he burns it in the winter time and there's snow on the ground, there's a statue. You don't need a burn permit if there's snow on the ground. And Greg's been out there, checked out the pile to make sure that there aren't things in there that aren't supposed to be. Because when you do say you're gonna burn stuff and there's snow on the ground, it has to only be certain things. Yeah. And he's been out there. No painted lumber, no tires. No, it's quite clear in the land where he's put in these houses. And Ben Reid does have a disabled daughter. So, you know, it's probably is really obnoxious to her. Systematically. It's just like, you know, these neighbors just why can't they just get along? You know, if you don't like each other, fine. But you're understanding that music isn't just he plays music loud. Oh, no. Every time Ben starts an excavator to do work, that's when the music comes on. And Rolf has complained to me about the blaring music. He's facing Ben Reid and Rolf lives on this side. So, and Rolf just says Can you hear about your house? I can't hear anything. No, I don't hear it. But anyways, just so you know what's going on with him. It's a neighbor dispute. So in case you get any calls or somebody says something, you know what's going on. It's not a worst shock. But really, we have nothing to do with it at this point. Yeah, it's a neighbor dispute. And it seems like they've got an idea of somebody moving in there. No, he doesn't. And that's why it says Reeve Wood Road. You know, he'll probably construed the wood as wood. Well, that's what I thought. Lumberwood, not a name wood. Right. Well, that's what I thought. But he went to the state instead of Tim Sievert instead of just leaving it at Greg's level. He went to the state and the state told them, no, the first fire warden people and they told them, this is a local issue with your fire warden. So they backed up Greg. Yeah, Greg did a site visit on Thursday and we got pictures and it really, it's like between some saplings and it's just huge, it's like a berm but really, it does lessen the sound, you know, and he doesn't really have any intention of burning it. Well, I think that's what his intention is to keep it. He can do that better for the planet and for a while. Anything else? Nope. Glad I don't have neighbors. OK, don't forget it's Wednesday night. Tomorrow morning is the road erosion thing October 5th. Next live board meeting is pepper. And this one's in, we have the meeting. BCA. And bring your calendars because we're going to schedule a site visit. Is there an agenda posted for the BCA? Yeah, it's on the website. Motion to adjourn. We probably should, go ahead. No, it's going to be part of the meeting. All those in favor, aye.