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Okay, they're probably they're probably missing it Your exit interview right I Do ourselves a little podcast I hear they're hot these days When I first tried the Daily Tech news show with Tom Merritt and his insightful commentary It was so good I told two friends about it and they told you friends and so on and so on and so on and believe me It's so easy to donate to DTNS head over to patreon.com AC e ECT then tell your friends about it and they'll tell two friends and so on and so on and so This is the Daily Tech news for Friday August 7th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me this Friday as Darren kitchen is out doing the Defcon black hat thing Mr. Lamar Wilson is here. How's it going brother going great man good to be here get to see you and Man, I'm gonna be I'm just gonna be a great show. I'm sitting back comfortably I'm just gonna relax and let you do all the work. Lamar's got a brand new chair I do No, I might mention it several times without the brand's name. He finds it very comfortable Yeah, man, we're gonna do something. We haven't tried on Daily Tech news show before fan mail Friday. Oh You know new stuff is me. I was just one of your first guests remember Yeah, I know because you're a you're like a trailblazer there on the YouTube doing things like the gadget halls and stuff So I always figure you're up for it starting to sound weird Hey, let's introduce Len Peralta So they're gonna have a three-way conversation. How's it going Len? I'm doing very very well And I just want to mention the top that little bumper at the top of the show you have to be a certain age to That particular a certain age and a certain aficionado of shampoo commercials. Yes Maybe that Len is back been too long two week absence. Although. Thank you for a couple weeks ago Pre-drawing. Yes for the show. That was fantastic Yeah, I felt I felt and I I wanted to do that for you guys because I didn't I know I was gonna be gone for two weeks And then I don't you know, I wanted to at least have something for you. That's awesome, man I'm glad you feel that way and I'm glad you're here today and you're drawing stuff for us now and I am Oh my god, I should better start. Oh, you know, I'm presumed Let's do a slow headlines for Len here we go Firefox has a new security flaw Hey, hey, welcome. Yeah, it's black hat Defconn. You're gonna get a lot of this kind of news This one Mozilla has already patched according to Engadget security researcher Cody Cruz Noticed that an ad on a Russian news site was able to bypass the browser's origin policy and inject malicious javascript And download sensitive local files to a server in ukraine So Cody alerted Mozilla who issued the batch Mozilla says the scripts only affect pc and linux machines But they do advise everyone to update firefox diversion 39.0.3 just in case Hey, Tom, I know we got a few other security Things maybe we can talk about it after but is will there ever be a time Where we will have a product that just is bulletproof because the these constant Patches. Oh, we found this we found this seem like it's never ends and they find it after some damage could have been done Like it just worries me You know you heard about the apple thing earlier this week with the os 10 that they still haven't fixed and yes And it just it just worries me like what when we get to a point where something is just 100% bulletproof I was having an email exchange with a guy About that very thing and I said look he was talking about cars. He's like until cars are bulletproof I don't know if I trust having networked cars and I'm like they'll never be bulletproof That's kind of a principle of security is you can never be a hundred percent secure You have to work to try to be the highest percentage of security you can be But you can never be a hundred percent secure. We've got an email though Uh in in our email in our main discussion That points towards something that might help along that path though. Cool. Let's check that out later apple's gotten rid of its online store Or you could read it apple has replaced its website with its online store. I was like, yeah apple's gone. Yeah Yeah, uh, what tuck wrench is trying to tell us is that apple has moved all the buying options Into the main apple.com site. So getting rid of separate store pages You go to a page describing a product say an iphone and then you can buy it from that same page Which I always found a little odd that I would I would click into a products page and then want to buy it and Oh, I have to go to the store now Uh, so the big question Lamar is when apple is about to add a new product to the store Does the whole website go down for that dramatic? Oh the apple store is down thing I would hope and I people's there are millions of people still want to read the site daily I would hope they would keep it up. Here's the funny part You say that you notice this problem. I guess I don't buy things from the apple store very often Maybe once every year or two. I never noticed that there was a separate store Like it never occurred to me that there were two separate sites. So I used to bug me I was when a new product would come out and I'd be looking through all the specs and be like, okay So, how do I order? You know, where does the order pay? Oh, right? I have to go into the store That's a separate thing. Yeah, I I never figured out I guess I'm just an accessories now will be the big trip up for people because there was an accessory section but now you have to go into the Device for which you want an accessory And then find accessories as a sub category of that Nine to five mac discovered a nifty feature in ios 9 beta 5 which just come out called wi-fi assist It's an option in your cellular services settings that when turned on will automatically use cellular data when wi-fi connectivity Is poor so not just when wi-fi connectivity goes away But when wi-fi is kind of kind of sketchy, it'll just switch over to cellular if you want it to This is a similar to features found on some samsung devices. Yeah, this sounds good I I have unlimited t-mobile that I never use so, you know, it's it's nice if it has a weak signal to I don't have I have no problem for it switching over at all. I I actually thought it kind of did Yeah Like I wonder like outside of the folks with the unlimited t-mobile or maybe unlimited sprint Or maybe grandfathered in unlimited plans for izen 19 t etc If you're on a bandwidth limited account, you're probably not going to want to have this thing on probably not yeah In gadget reports researchers from checkpoint Presenting at black hat showed how to use a vulnerability in some manufacturers implementations of remote support The researchers were able to use app plugins So that would be easier to get an app approved in the play store because it would be the plugin that has the Vuln variability to access the device's screen and actions using the manufacturers own signed certificates Some companies created the flaw in order to get around a separate issue in android's security architecture That was preventing them from doing something they wanted So they they did a hack and somebody found a vulnerability in the hack devices from lg samsung htc and zte Have the flaw and they all say they have released updates yeah This is one of those things too where people are starting to point to androids fragmentation Which is I know a loaded word for android fan people of course But it's a real thing where you don't get the same updates from the same people at the same time so lg saying You know we're going to start doing monthly updates along with samsung and google that's a good thing But you're still not getting one update the way you would with ios or with windows phone Yeah, that's what I was glad when you know when I had android that google started separating Things like youtube became a separate update and uh play store that way you can always get those kind of things on a fly When something went wrong in a google store, uh, I I wish the matter I hope the manufacturers figure out a way to do to do that or just stops Putting so much crap on the phone that it takes Weeks or months for them to get an update out because the because all the customization Well, and that's the thing this is an open source platform So theoretically it should be faster with patches because open source platforms often are But because the carriers get in the way and say no, we're going to manage all the software for our own Yeah, yeah, you want you want the carriers and the manufacturers out of the way both of them Zimperia and the outfit that discovered the stage fright vulnerability in android has released a demo video If you want to know how it works shows it with the screen off and the screen on They've also released a detection app beta news reports the stage fright detector app is free from google play It reveals whether a device is vulnerable And if an os update is needed josh wood rake senior director of platform research and exploitation at zimperium also produced the video Demonstrating the exploit stage fright prompted google and samsung to announce those security updates earlier this week And lg has as i mentioned has since announced the same monthly plan for updates But what if the detector has an exploit? Well, there is the tinfoil hat thing to say well zimperium discovered this exploit and then to zimperium Is giving you the i'm just saying that's kind of where i was going with it Yeah CNET reports us wireless carrier verizon will end device subsidies and contracts That's becoming a trend here in the united states new plans starting august 13th require customers to pay for their smartphone Either all at once or in monthly installments And then verizon will charge you only 20 a month to connect a smartphone 20 per smartphone per month $10 to connect the tablet and $5 for a wearable like a watch an extra charge for data will sell 1 gigabyte for $30 3 gigabytes for 45 6 gigabytes for 60 bucks and 12 gigabytes for 80 dollars a month And then they'll have larger Plans on request, but they're trying to keep it simple when you sign up Yeah, i find this funny because verizon has typically ignored Team mobile or you know, they're you know, it's not even worth their time to Talk about or compete with and then you know They're forced to kind of do this trend because team mobile and their ceo let let the Let the army in this one. I'm killing those contracts I think I think it's good for consumers in the end if the if it's not it was just Financing and like if they're adding interest, I don't know if they add interest on these phones or whatever Then it's like I don't know. I think you're kind of in the same boat It's still a contract to some extent It's just more transparent, right instead of a contract that makes me feel like that the phone only costs $200 I actually will know how much i'm paying for something Makes sense. That's good. The next web reports the electronic frontier foundation has released an extension for chrome and firefox called Privacy badger that blocks super cookies. Those are the cookies that track you across different websites They're not just served by a particular website The plugin creates a list of domains that embed images scripts and ads and as you surf around it will notice Whether unique cookies are replicated across different domains and will block those cookies Unless you ask it not to it has a setting there you could override what it learns The tool essentially changes being tracked across websites from having no choice To being opt-in you can say oh, you know what actually it's it's worth it for me to track for whatever reason on this Site, but don't track me anywhere else. Oh, that's it. Yeah, I installed it right away Wow, cnet took the crown with 55 different tracking elements. Are you serious? Yeah I mean, that's not a scientific recovery wired was right behind it with 50 Uh, it was it was a close race there. I think like in gadget took they had like in the 30s But man, that's a that's a lot of elements there. This is legal to do Totally legal. Yeah. Wow. I mean You're you're not paying them. They got to make the money somehow Lamar What the the ants That's the ad that's that's what the tracking is for for telling the advertisers. Hey, they saw your ad They saw your ad on cnet and they saw it on wired The university of new south wales defeated team be human from journey germany Three to one on the robo cup spl world championships. Congratulations New south wales sitting morning herald has a detailed write-up on how the team clinched the victory in the five on five soccer tournament that uses fully Autonomous robots It's worth a read the story's author and team member shan harris attribute their success To one of their robots particular speed the acceleration the ability to start faster off the whistle And the strategy of just kicking the ball down towards the opponent's goal more often so that you're playing In the other opponent's side of the field Next time the robo cup will be held as 2019 in sydney I'll be there. Yeah. So yeah, we'll be there with with bells on actually be worth a trip I don't want to go back to sydney. That'd be that'd be a good goal Have you heard about I just got that guy. Have you heard about the game? Uh rocket league is you know, it's like that Yeah, we have a bunch of cars. We'll not stop talking about rocket league. It's amazing. Yeah, I noticed I try to block him, but it He just text messages here Rocket league. No, I it made me think of that but the but the Soccer and then roll. Yeah. Yeah, really really similar. That's cool Uh, lots of the stories that we've been talking about just now We're submitted by you guys on our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit dot com keep it up We love it. You guys are the best. Uh, we distracted a lot of you I noticed By putting in ask me anything from myself up there if you want to read my answers to the questions some silly some serious Go to daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and check that out. It's sticky post at the top Uh, probably for the next week. I think patrick beija is going to do an AMA on the dtns subreddit next week Uh, but keep on submitting those stories like pben did he noted the tech dirt article on the continuing mystery Over why true crypts developers suddenly stopped developing that software declaring it insecure A freedom of information request regarding true crypt has been causing some raised eyebrows since it protects What it looks like otherwise public information about true crypt But now details of a case against scott glenn a harris corporation employee accused of stealing documents while working on a military base Claims this is in the court case claims the fbi cracked the code Protecting glenn's hidden true crypt volume now whether the fbi guessed his password for that volume Whether they stole glenn's password with a keylogger or maybe glenn just gave it up Or whether they actually cracked the encryption is unclear But there's so many conspiracy theories around true crypt right now A lot of folks are raising their eyebrows even farther at the risk of straining their eyebrow muscles I do that every morning. It really hurts. Um, yeah, I don't know much about true crypt But it's just again one of those security things that just continually I don't want to say freaks me out because it just is what it is I'm just growing tired of the stories That's all Yeah, I I'm still curious what really went on with true crypt, but I imagine it's a somewhat mundane Situation and probably not nearly as much as fbi figured out how to get a back door into true crypt, but who knows Hobbit from pa notes the cnbc story quoting u.s. Officials claiming russia Launched a sophisticated cyber attack against the pentagon's joint staff Unclassified email system the alleged intrusion was said to take place sometime around july 25th now to me The cnbc report sounds like Malware got installed probably phishing email somebody accidentally opened an attachment because they they describe it in very dramatic terms But it's a piece of software that installed itself and started taking data Pentagon shut down the email system almost immediately and believes no classified information Was taken why they think it's from russia I don't know lots of stuff looks like it comes from russia that isn't from russia Lots of stuff look like come from china that isn't from china But those two facts don't mean that russia and china's governments aren't involved in some kind of cyber attack At some point either so who knows I just say point nukes at them and and then scare them just to be safe Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, let's just take it back to Brezhnev times Yeah Where I the when I grew up and that hbo special about the guy in the blue turban blowing up the world with nuclear war Just like ruined me until I was 19 There's no future. There's no future to the world. We're all gonna blow up Yeah, uh, you know what actually when you bring that up the art this story becomes a lot less frightening It's just a malware in an email system over it And that's a look at the headlines All right, we got fan mail friday It's all your mail and the reason being is that you guys have been writing amazing stuff So thank you. Keep it coming feedback at daily tech news show dot com and I don't just mean, you know It's nice to get some of these thoughts like, you know, I heard that and I liked it. That's great But we've got experts we've got people who work in these fields saying, you know what? I have a special experience. This is something I've worked on We're gonna read some of those for you because they're very insightful. Let's start With andrew who says I think tom's under estimating HTC's chances in expanding the smartphone market in india India's middle class has estimated around 250 million people and barring massive economic collapse that number's on track to double Over the next decade fair point. That's true The country's proximity to china allows price parity with the u.s on consumer electronics Even though a big mac costs twice as much But the big mac's not being made in china and shipped right across the border. All right iPhone sales have been ramping up among wealthy Indians. That is true Which is one of the reasons I thought it was a bad move from HTC But let's let andrew keep going This gives HTC an opening if they can position themselves as the middle class alternative to an iphone There's plenty of room for growth The real trick will be in walking the fine marketing line between aspirational and accessible The hard lines between social classes still have some weight and if the advertising looks too high end Many people may decide it's not a product meant for them on the other hand if it looks too cheap They won't see a reason to change still I think HTC has a better chance of focusing on an underserved population versus slugging it out in the crowded u.s market Yeah, I mean this is a fair point. I read an article about the About it because I hadn't watched the show So I got ideas, you know the different classes and I just know from experience here from people I know that yeah iPhones are very valuable india Sitting in an indian restaurant and he was telling me how they when I had mine But oh, yeah, we bought lots to send back home and they get sold for two three four times a mile But there is a there's a good point about that that middle class Or where you have to be careful, you know some of them may see And I it's just the reality they may see android is too cheap Or the iphone is too expensive. So what's the middle and I think I think HTC Probably maybe look at going with windows as they used to that might be a good middle ground It's a fancy. I mean windows in has already got great reviews right now The one thing that andrew has put his finger on that I think is absolutely true And you just mentioned it is it's all about perception. I mean the bigger opportunity is still in the low And mid-range smartphones and and serving that market. That's the truly underserved market. Well, that's where samsung terminates Yeah, and that's where everybody's going So I get it I get what andrew's saying where hey if everybody's going there Maybe it's smarter to find this maybe tiny tinier But but more ignored market. I just don't know how big that market is between the iphone And the mid-range phones. That's a good point. Yeah, because you know, there's anything also with the iphone There's just perception of people want to get the best right? I mean if they have the money And again a perception they want and their perception as iphone is the best That's why apple made a mistake when it came out with his 5c people I mean it's sold but it didn't sell well people didn't want the cheaper version of the new phone They want they wanted the best model. So there there's definitely a A class of perception system and it definitely is in india. I don't know how strong it is but I think htc has has something they can do there, but it may be with windows and not android Yeah, they just have to they have to avoid the perception that they're an off brand of some kind So using windows phone. I don't know if that helps them in that position or not But using android definitely puts them in the same class as a lot of cheaper phones like xiaomi and zte so I don't know That's one of our five. Maybe I should have called it five hot messages. It was a great message though Yeah, five hot mails Well, isn't that copyright? Yeah The next one's from ben co-executive producer from the currently sunny uk Says this whole copying situation This is regarding the fact that the high court has ruled that you don't have the right that legislation can't give you the right To make a copy of your cds. Ben says the whole situation is completely nonsensical and unenforceable You're absolutely right there But there are still a large number of people around who still prefer to buy physical cds Especially as gifts This will put people off and he wonders if it could hurt the economy if it stops people from buying cds But then he says well, maybe they'll buy digital And what about the other way around if we buy digital? Can we then burn said tracks to a cd to play in the car? No ben No, you can't In fact, once you've downloaded that digital mp3 or aac or whatever Uh, wherever you put it is the only place you can legally put it because you're not allowed to make a copy of it There you go. Yeah, I um See, I guess I'm I just want to progressive people I got rid of cd because I just knew all this was coming. It's just a hassle Uh, and I know digital has its trade-offs But it was just better just to just to go digital and not deal with all these these disk issues Because it's silly. How can they enforce it? There's nothing they could do. I could make thousands of copies of a cd Yeah, I I think the fact that it's unenforceable and nonsensical will mean it won't have much of an impact On the music marketplace in the uk people just continue to do what they've been doing Uh, but it is ridiculous. Do you do you think they're because even she brought out the point about losing money like the economy of the you know If people are not buying cds. Do you think that's still a Something that hurts the economy of these days. It's a declining market anyway I guess if it encouraged people to decline even farther that could be bad But then if they buy digital music, it's not like that helps them around the law So theoretically the amount of music the amount of money people would pay on pay for music would still be being paid It would still be going into the economy The only thing that would hurt the economy is if people just stopped buying music And I don't think this law is the reason they would do that Got it. I think one direction is the reason they will do that It's my reason for sure. Well, you know, they've they lost a member and Apparently they like setting records for sales now. So yeah, that's it. It looks like music is just fine Mordecai Lightstone said listening to the discussion the other day of facebook's push for pay for rapid response on messages I found it presents a bit of a conundrum in my work. I do social media for a large nonprofit We get a lot of great messages and engagement and messages to our page But we also get a lot of random messages people spamming us trolling us, etc And I've noticed that not responding to these messages schleps down the general response time score of the page even though they're spam He says It's not worth our time to go in and block all of those and improve the score I wonder if facebook will give stronger controls so we can ignore Messages without taking away from our general goal of responding to thoughtful questions and comments Yeah, I I read up on this feature because I didn't know about until I saw this and Maybe you discussed it. Is this where we want facebook to be? Playing playing around in this it feels like it's uh I don't know. I'm trying to think of a company that that deals with messaging and and things. It's feel like they're they're playing in the field Uh, that's that's a little dangerous. I I don't know if I want them rating my My you know my customer service of my business Yeah, you know, I mean Yeah, if I didn't choose not to be as active on my facebook page, but I'm very active on my website or twitter That I look yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's yeah, it's a whole different side to that I don't know how much I want facebook to know about me, right? We always think of facebook as like oh, it's taking over Email or it's taking over, you know interactions or it's taking over news reading perhaps You don't think of it as taking over customer service But if this system became popular that would be something facebook would be in control of too And then facebook could make or break customer service ratings, right? And and more to cut to mordecai's particular question. Yeah facebook should give you an option to say I am not responding to this because it is spam without having to go to the full nine yards of blocking somebody, right? But then people can misuse that and just choose that option for every question They don't want to ask to try to boost their scores up and that's facebook again being in a whole different business Where they have to figure out the ins and outs of the customer service rating game Right and why they want to be in this game It's it's interesting they want advertising That's why because as soon as you are concerned with your facebook advertising or your facebook rating facebook's going to sell you an ad that can help improve your rating Okay Of course, yeah Griffin from insanely hot israel says You know, I remembered the concept of formal verification using mathematical tools to verify every possible path Through software algorithms And I believe the micro kernel of wind river vx works os use this for the first mars rover so that it was formally verified Now this is known to be a hard expressive and time-consuming process Which is why it's only used for mission critical systems. However with the advent of big data massive grid computing power If it's time computers help us make better computer software if ibm watson can help doctors with better diagnosis What about helping programmers make more robust software? And this is going to the point that amar was asking about earlier in the headlines while verifying windows or android is probably Not possible in the near future. What about small embedded os's for the coming internet of things? Uh, and if you don't know what he's talking about with formal veracate verification It's a method Uh, it's an attempted methods to be able to verify a piece of software is internally consistent Does what you want it to do doesn't do things that you don't want it to do Mostly for bug checking, you know making sure it's not going to crash hang, etc But also it could help in tracking down particular vulnerabilities Oh, um, the word I understood from this was I When you started the sentence, let me let me really explain it then So so what griffin's saying is hey, we have this thing That can automatically check software now it can only do certain levels of complexity of software So it can't do a whole operating system, but shouldn't we be using that to help programmers make better software? Because you use it for other things like the mars rover and and yeah, so instead of you having to look through your code and say Uh, let me look that did I miss anything? Did I you know and vulnerabilities crop up? That's why software is never 100 secure Expanding on on this Method which is called formal verification to to try to lock down software more often And for what you were saying from the beginning when I talked in the beginning of the show This diagnosis by a computer or software could eliminate some of these security Vulnerabilities that come up and could make it more solid. They already. Yeah Yeah, because you go right now where you're going by the human eye And you can have the software who can go through I always thought it's not a programmer never will be I just always thought that kind of stuff once the person coded it was passed through through through a There are bug checkers, but that's far from formally verifying that your computer program is mathematically consistent and free You know, uh, and and and the problem is Computer programs are so complex that It's hard to check every state that a program could possibly be in that's why you want to do things like load testing Right to see if there's anything that that doesn't work the way you thought it would work They do this for hardware. Uh, in fact, I found a great, uh, Berkeley paper about this Saying that formal verification Is lagging in software compared to hardware numerous formal tools to hunt down functional design flaws In silicon are available and in widespread use. That's why your chips aren't failing all the time However, in contrast the market for tools that address software quality is still in its infancy And I think it's because of the cost the time Uh that it takes to run them But again, we're getting to that point where It's probably worth it to take the time and take the hit if you want to have more secure software Is there a company who is offering this formal verification for a price? Is is there is there a gatekeeper? That will make there's not a particular company. There's several there's several types There's things like model checking or deductive verification and there's there's several companies that are putting forth the software Uh, in fact comp cert c compiler is formally verified Cell for by ok labs is an operating system. That's formally verified. It just it's expensive You activated my siri and I have it on mute. I don't know what that was Yeah, yeah, because you said something that says checking my sources. I'm like, no, god, stop It's just formally verifying what i'm saying. Yeah, he did Uh, anyway, this is this is something that I know just about enough about to be dangerous You know, I've read an article in a magazine once about it. Uh, so if anybody really does know Uh, particularly about formal verification and what the prospects are for it and is it crazy expensive to where Only nasa can afford to do it or is it something where hey if we all got together and decided it was important We could bring the cost of it down. I'd be interested to know Yeah, this is great. Uh, thank you for explaining this as well as you did because I didn't understand it at first So you actually I actually did explain it. That's amazing. Yeah, you did. I actually understand exactly what's going on here now Wow, all right. It works. It really works. Uh, all right the fifth of our five hot males That didn't somebody yeah, not quite, uh, which was called fan mail friday Joe acosta, uh said I heard tom mentioned the release of outlook for the apple watch and his Query about whether where the worlds of apple watch and outlook converge Uh, he migrated his company to office 365 loves Outlook uh as a cloud user of microsoft services outlook for ios is undoubtedly the best mobile client I've ever used for managing corporate mailing calendar. In fact, it is the only client I will personally manage for staff who are allowed to bring their own devices But as for the eye watch, I'd call it an attempt to cram functionality in where it doesn't belong Uh, he says I really want my apple watch to just you know, tell me the important males I don't it really doesn't work that well. And so for now, he'll just wear it as a pretty piece of jewelry Yeah, I When I first got the apple watch, I put a whole bunch of apps on and did a video on it But since then I have taken almost every App off it is it is a watch that gives me my notifications Uh, and it does a very good job of doing that helps with the cheap. I just When I look at outlook as big as outlook is I used to be a serious outlook user back in the day It seems so heavy To to put on a watch to be functional And I I I guess companies have to do it because it's the Thing to do and it's the piece of hardware to get on I just like he said, I just don't see the The the real functionality of that at all. Yeah, maybe version two. That's what that's what joe says to He does All right Our pick of the day is stuff to watch or listen to We've gotten so many good suggestions from you guys that I collected a bunch of them together Prasanth suggests cabin pressure, which is a radio play from bbc4 featuring benedic cumberbatch And it's about airplanes The latin tech blogger recommends the 99 invisible podcast with romain mars He especially points out two episodes called the automation paradox parts one and two part one is about airfrance 447 is a flight that crashed in 2009 partly because of automated systems going wrong And the second has interviews with chris ermson from google and steve hem from planet money tom from oddly dry seattle, uh says when I need a good music fix I turn to the tried and true radio paradise radio paradise dot com one of the pioneers and listeners supported web radio from bill and rebecca goldsmith gary recommends the tv show mr robot on usa network, which it's not 100 accurate But man, it is the closest to accurate depiction of hacker culture that I personally have ever seen We've been talking about a lot on cord killers and then tyler aka tg stellar recommends the sci-fi miniseries Ascension about the century-long space mission launched in the 60s to reach potentially habitable worlds in a nearby star system Now that last one I Didn't know they were going to pick that up. I remember watching the first few episodes Uh, and they had a like a bundle on a mini series, right? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Thanks for telling me Yeah, thank you tyler send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com keep it coming You can send my picks to daily tech or you can see my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Uh, how'd you feel about fan mail friday? You know, I thought this was great and I thought it was some good good emails It came in I even like tell you did the pick of the day just like on a friday. There's having a bunch of little picks Yeah, I mean, I think that's I think that's a good friday feature If if you ever like don't have a lot of stories to cover in that day Yeah, unless we have like the big breaking news, which yeah, we had we had a few things today And and obviously if darin was here we could probably talk more about black hat and def con right, uh, etc But we covered I feel I feel like I feel like we covered that well I think it was great gave you a little insight from other folks in the audience that you wouldn't have got otherwise So I give you two thumbs up. Hey out of how many thumbs Seven, but you know, you know, yeah, I keep working. I keep trying Uh lemar wilson, of course, uh, you can find on the internets everywhere He's at youtube.com slash lemar wilson and uh, of course you could follow him on twitter at lemar wilson Uh anything else i'm missing anything else coming up. No, those are the two too big ones I got some great unboxings that I did this week One from uh, microsoft some new amiibo They came out if you're interested in the tendo collector culture Uh, be sure to check that out and uh, yeah, we got some. Hey, yeah, make sure you subscribe There's some cool things coming up this month, uh from some cool companies. That's all I'll say Hey, keep your eyes on it go subscribe subscribe subscribe youtube.com slash lemar wilson. Len Peralta has been busily illustrating fan mail friday. What angle did you take, len? Well, you know, since this is the very first fan mail friday, I couldn't help but make the official print commemorating the first daily tech newso fan fan mail friday and uh, it's sort of What you uh, maybe what you're thinking about uh, people wondering what you're thinking about when you're answering these messages This might give people a little bit of insight into that. Wait kitty vitties. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that second one Oh, yeah, you know what? I'm sorry. Let me change that. Yeah, let's make that some teas Yeah My name was under there. I was like wait a minute Wait, I'm sorry about that. No, that was No, I am I am not trying to apply anything here about you tom of course That was that was a misstep. Miss My dogs will still be upset because it says cat videos, but yeah, exactly. But yeah, he'll still be married tomorrow Look Lamar has his little tiny his little jingle right there. I have to work So yes, so this is the first fan mail friday This is the official print commemorating the first daily tech new show fan mail friday Now it's uh, it's it's all uh, it's it's not uh, it's not suggestive any longer It's less suggestive I can't get over there. That's perfect. Oh, it's really good. Yeah, we're bearing the lead here. Uh, it's really good print It's really good art and I am honored that you are commemorating the first official fan mail friday. I'm honored that my name is on it too Thank you. Yeah, I had to remember. I had to commemorate everything with it So and a little by the way little sword and laser in the corner. Oh, I didn't realize that was a laser. Nice You like that That's great. So there we go. Yes. So already up lemperalta store.com. I was yes lemperalta store.com And uh, if you want to you can back me at patreon as well patreon.com forward slash Len will be using part of the proceeds to pay for spelling class You know, I um, you know, I apologize for that. That's right Does and it's off time And really All right. Uh, no, go check it out the corrected edition available at lemperalta store dot com Uh, and uh, and like said, uh, you can get them all digitally if you back len on patreon patreon.com slash lemperalta No, oh just len just len. No pralta. Okay. There is a len pralta. That's our that's 10 state That's still 10 state. I always can't I get confused which one's which sometimes so just Yeah, back back them all back all you want one more Uh, that is it for the show. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, thank you to our bosses. Uh, in fact Since there are fewer bosses than there are listeners to the show. Here's what I'd like you to do Uh, if you are someone who is not back in the show, that's okay. We're not I'm not trying to guilt you when I say this Go on to twitter go on to facebook wherever you think it might be and say hey Thanks dts bosses for making the show possible so I can enjoy it That's you know, let's let's throw a little thanks from the audience back To the audience and if you want to become a boss You can find out all the different ways at daily tech news show dot com slash support Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com and give us call 51259 daily That's five one two five nine three two four five nine listen to the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m On the excellent alpha geek radio dot com and visit our website daily tech news show dot com back on monday with miss Yeah, the show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Everybody needs a jingle now because that was awesome I know I mean back. I will scott johnson scott johnson lenni parolton Uh, yeah, I I'm sure we could make that happen Please yeah Yeah, I'm sure you have someone talented in the audience who will allow us to do that as as saying they can't You know help up with patreon. I'm sure they have the talents to right right starving singer has been out there going like I'm a starving singer I can't I can't afford to give a dollar a month to daily tech news show They could they could sing us jingles and then we credit them and launch them into a superstar career of doing jingles I I take credit for uh charlie pooth. He was on that that um Uh, what was that what was that car racing move and it just came out? um He would have what a guy died before an actor died before That's right. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. He was on the soundtrack He's saying my jingles back in the day on youtube. He started out being a jingle singer Yeah, and now he's like, you know working big time like serious movie soundtrack stuff. Yeah, he's he's doing he's it's amazing Uh, so it is possible So as you can happen to you you see my jingle you're gonna blow up We've talked about this before in the past. We said we wanted jingles and So we were we were officially putting it back out there again. Yeah, we're demanding them now We're gonna be a nice Nice with the nicey nice. This isn't a nice nice ass. We have we have ankles to break What do we should we call this show? We got some good suggestions coming in show about dot tv But not a lot of people voting so get get your Fingers over to show about dot tv if you're watching live Just please don't have it kitty I was looking at that going like No, no, I I can see how you messed up because I didn't catch it at first because I was like kitty Okay, I would you maybe a young audience like I just it didn't click nothing was clicking Tom said you know that might not be I was like, oh I thought you were just making like he was His his ability to speak was devolving sure sure It's just an unfortunate alternate interpretation. Yeah, it was he was sort of it was sort of like He may be sluck sluck over the computer is not helping. I know No, it's number five still at the top is a less suggestive typos for Six six votes. Ah rocketing to the top Oh I'm scared to look in that chat room. I don't even want to know it's so funny Six originally it was just going to be a little picture of a kitty like a little tiny cat Sure, and then I thought uh, that's not enough, you know, he's thinking about cats. Why you know, so I just like maybe it's that cleveland accent that That's what it is. You like kitties. You like kitty. That's what you like kitties use likes kitties here Hey, come here. I got kitties over here. Oh boy. Get some kitties in my van. Oh number 10 Number 10 10 votes not number 10 10 votes less suggestive typos. Are you okay with that? Yeah Or you go from russia. It's a runaway hit Go ahead. Go ahead. We're uh, because that's like that's not the very end of the job. I get okay Yeah, I always prefer when they relate to the main topic. Of course, we didn't really have a single main topic What about what about feedback from fans feels friday fun? Wow, that's a huge Um Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one Yeah from zealot. I think the audience is preferring, uh It keeps keeps growing here Wow, it's it's more than double the next Uh, the second place one. You might have to override the audience here I mean, that's not bad for the land. I did No, no, no, that's fine. I I'm I'm totally fine with that It was an honest it was an honest mistake And it's been a long week. It's been a long week. So I'm still disturbing. He's looking at cats and then listen to my tune like that Like that really is Is the worrying one I actually I'm actually gonna I've been to do I've been to go with uh Less suggestive typos, but I'm gonna give it a little spin I'm gonna say fan mail friday Now with typos Yeah, because that fan mail thing is it's important to put in I think I do like zealot here still gets the gets the title credit Yeah, everybody's happy pulling a little yeah Zealot here's zealot here's had a good week and and he's missed out by by her's breath a couple of times So I feel good. Oh, Roger. It's also parenthetical makes it makes sense that it comes at the end of the show too Yes, see uh lexically speaking The parenthetical implies That's exactly how your audience Exactly how this now The collective audience Sound their voice just goes into that that and mode There are some emails that are certainly written in that tone I will not lie. Oh, I I agree I know I'll get them sometimes they're blue moon not as much as you because you do a straight text show But every oh they're so often my god Oh, man. No, it's same same here actually even more so because they're saying you got something you miss You've forgot something. That's the one that always gets it stuck up my craw is like, you know You forgot to you forgot the point you forgot to say and there are times when I definitely forget and that's okay But there are times when they're just saying I thought of another thing on an opinion piece. I'm like, I didn't forget it Right. I just didn't think of it in the first place, which is probably worse. I don't know I get that youtube comments all the time that you forget to say this you forget Or I could you know you did it just like so and so I was like, you know Sometimes, you know, I wish there's an art to writing comments Sometimes you don't have to say everything that's in your mind, right? And there's always, you know, and there's the like hey, I had another idea Uh In relation to what you said and then all of a sudden you just feel like you want to hear what they said versus like You totally forgot to mention Yeah, because that's negative and I'm just I just miss you immediately. Yeah. Yeah And and believe me, I'm not pointing fingers at the audience I'm pointing fingers at myself because I I have to stop myself from doing the same thing Just in in all kinds of situations are like, oh, okay Let me, you know, let me tell let me not go like, uh, then you forgot to spell kitty, right? Like that would just be rude. I just got to go like, um, is that all purpose? Yeah, like we were just talking about being laid off too Um Well, it was nice knowing you all Thank you. At least it's on a friday. I can go out and drink. We will never lay that off. Are you kidding me? Because we don't pay him anything if you listen to the social justice worries on on on uh, Twitter somebody who's done less would have been like here. Yeah, get him out of here He's promoting blah blah blah. I was like, are you serious? Are you think it's a little bit crazy? Yeah, it's a little bit crazy Those guys scare me And uh, you know as I point out that we don't pay lend to be on the show You pay lend to be on the show by buying his prints and backing his way. Yeah, absolutely so I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna go drink this one off You might have to Len I'm I hope you know that I am only entertained and I am not in the least a bit upset Oh, absolutely. I know. Okay. Good. Do you know how much? Uh Mistaken print with cell for if you ever did like a A loss. Oh, yeah. No Do you know how many he printed off? They stuck him away in a vault already doesn't it doesn't exist anymore It's all you'll never have to get unemployment again in your life Boy, you know, it's good. You caught that because Because before anybody purchased right because right That would be like, uh, I actually ordered the one that had the Particularly there a way I can get that one. Um, I uh specifically ordered it for the D's I have a private collection of Tom Merritt Park, uh, and this one is uh, is a jewel in my crown Oh, yeah, just never let you live it down All right, all right Apologies all around Good weekend. No, no apologies. That's sorry man. You're gonna make stuff work. Yes. I will be here next week Awesome. Take care. We'll see everybody. All right. Cheers And then there were three So Roger, are you like um Maybe sitting duty like all during the day like your wife said work or something like that. Yes. Oh, okay You're a mr. Mom. That's I think that's awesome I say that people understand. Yeah, I can also use dad home dad, but people don't message. I don't respect that I don't know why I don't want some I I understand it a lot people I hear they use that term derogatory like the man is oh, yeah. No, I think it's awesome I mean, I would need to earn what I was making and not enough places are actually willing to pay Even half that which kind of sucks, but It's uh, it would it actually makes more sense for me to be at home than to pay for full-time daycare And then work a bunch of freelance gigs All right, it does the amount of money. I would actually be paying more out Per month than doing this Yeah daycares, but I had a friend in Chicago I guess he still runs it run ran a daycare and you know the state look for some low-end company, but it was you know Subsidize it and the amount of money they would pay out for daycare from anywhere from 700 to 1400 a month easily Just like that's probably the low end try 2000 a month. Is it there? Oh, that's more than my rent. Wow No kid is worth that Oh, that's why oh, did you hear about the birds bees thing did do anything? They elected they picked up two other cute. Oh the other one wasn't so cute the first one was cute so All right, fine. Yeah, well so much for their beeswax You need to put uh, we need to get ellie a job I'm gonna have her spoke guys. Is there such a thing as spokes, baby? Spokes, baby for e-trade Yeah, yeah But she can only work with it Six hours a day because of child labor laws or something babies could only work six Right children can't like child actors Have are actually very I wouldn't say difficult, but you have to be very mindful when you shoot Yeah, there's only a certain amount of time you can only shoot set number of hours a day. Yeah No, I have a friend who does uh commercials for nicolodian their in-house commercials And they use their child actors and he runs into that a lot Yeah, I mean they Shoot is a gray area because I I know some Um, they haven't hit 18 yet that stay on the set all day Like they so they are on set, but they're not shooting so that Count as them being Being, you know at work Well, it's the same reason why if you want a restaurant or a store and your kids help That's not really considered A child labor thing even though they're like they're like all day like tending the register. I didn't know that actually Okay, yeah, it's it's I mean technically they're not employees. So they don't fall under that Thing, you know, they're family members. Hmm. Believe me. I know it is quite No, you say you know where somebody runs a restaurant in your family. Yeah, my parents. Yeah, you're okay, right? Oh, so you do know very first hand Wow That's it. I don't know. I don't know if that's fun or that's just horrible I always wonder that the kids are kind of forced to learn to family trade it's uh, I would say it's not fun, but You know at the same time, it's not like it's not It's not horrible I think one of the better skills you learn is management time management, especially on the on the Business where you like food you got to get food out. You got to do things quickly. You do get a much better sense of Time spatial relationship. Oh, it takes me this long to bring this food out to that you You don't think it but you eventually start thinking that way which is why um You know, you can always tell like what kind of profession a person is in on the way they count Like, you know an accountant counts In a certain way musicians, especially drummers count in a certain way and they they all deal with numbers But their approach to it is slightly different because of their background. Yeah, like drummers always start over again after four Or something like that Or they do things in brackets like that No, yeah, they're always drawing brackets around the check to figure out which measure they owe metaphorically Do you guys watch the daily show finale, you know what? Part of it is because I thought a lot of the I love the daily show and I love john steward. I think a lot of it was borderline schmaltzy Like just not so much to show but just kind of everyone's attitude toward his leaving his tenure And I'm thinking it's like I think john steward wanted to leave like two years ago Like he looks in his face if you look in his eyes, you look someone who's just like, you know, I'm tired I'm done. I'm done with this, but I can't I think you're right. Yeah, and I think You know, yeah, it's great that everyone feels bad for it But they you know, it's it's one of those things where you kind of locked him into this But I watched it and I haven't been watching the daily show. I'll watch clips every so often But I really haven't been watching the daily show for a while No, I didn't tear up at all But I realized like oh and I also watched letterman's last show this year Which is the first time I've watched the late show in a long time And I realized it's kind of and I put this on twitter It's kind of like a goodbye tour for television Like for me, it's like, oh, I used to watch the show all the time. I'll watch its last Episode even though in both cases, it's not the last episode of the show But it's the last episode of that host and these are things that are they're out of my pattern I don't turn on tv like that It's but you know, you you hit on a very important point in that so much of television Now is no longer tied to when you know a specific time slot or or thing you need to get people with an event Right, you take to pull in those people and so what better events like oh, it's his final thing or it's the most Outrageous right if it's a daytime talk show. I'm most outrageous. You won't believe what this doctor says about this cure Yeah, I mean the whole doctor. I mean the whole dr Oz thing people act like clip bait is news Is new that's it's been around in local television for entire daytime talk shows forever Watch the water skiing squirrel, right? Just go sit through like 30 minutes of news It will show you that last human interest story Oh, you know squirrel on a water ski is getting pulled A monkey who's bananas for basketball I'm very curious to know what uh credit matt flanagan by the way Who's the replacement the south african the comic? I just just talked about him yesterday. I'm totally spacing on his name Um, I don't know I don't know Oh, I should know this. It's really bad But I'm really I'm curious to know his take because so much of the daily show was kind of a reflection of john steward In the same way that you know the john oliver show is a reflection of john oliver and What was the co-bear show was kind of well? Yeah. Colbert is the other one. I mean he he's going from one Night talk show to another Yeah, but it was definitely the end of an era with him no longer being the character of steven colbert But being i will say he was he did he did mark a very important And this is the thing there's always been satire of politics always But there was a genuine genuine kind of like let's get to the actual heart of the matter Like it's it's nice to lampoon it But let's also look at the what the real issue is and I think that was really unique at least for For a broad audience. I mean, yeah, you might have seen it in a satirical You know periodical or something that did the same thing but to have a very broad reaching medium like tv Have that at least in the u.s. Yeah, I mean you had what was the one was the britain the british one where they did the The little puppets that looked like all the famous politicians something face Spitting image Spitting image and they used to make fun of like ronald reagan margaret thatcher Like but you know, it didn't it made fun of the situation But never really addressed the underlying issue which I think is what john stewart did so well with the daily show when you took It over. I mean before that it was just a weird Kind of it was just a parody news show on your Craig killboard. I loved it. It was like, ah, this parody news This is great. Love this kind of thing and and yeah, john john took it farther Um, all right. Well, I'm gonna go put the kettle on and have a little tea So you I'm gonna hang in there and I'll see you on current geek later today I will eat some chinese food. All right. Yeah, it's leftovers. This is the best