 I got a little labor love, this fellow McCarthy is intellectual in one of our problems and he keeps saying he can see no reason for the bombing and no case for the bombing and I would like you to do your homework a little bit and try to get such speculations as you need from the CIA and from the defense people and from Westmoreland people I'd sure take the letter and the cable I got from Lodge yesterday that revised one. The first one he said it'd be over this year and we told him get that out and we don't want to be predicting it so he revised it. Get Lodge's cable and then get your best military planner over there. You might want to take him with you, I don't know who you could take, maybe somebody like that pastor has been briefing folks and go to see McCarthy and make the case for bombing. He says there's no case, nobody's ever given him any reasons for it and he doesn't understand it and he doesn't know why and so on and so forth and I think that you can show him that if the boys just hunker up and these enclaves like a jackass and a hailstorm and let them shoot at them why they're going to be in a hell of a shape and if they don't try some way to make it hard on them and stop them why they're going to kill a bunch of American boys that ought to die and that the only way you can do that is to try to stop the trucks when they come down the road and try to stop the oil that goes into them and try to keep them busy fixing the bridges and try to hold them up for a few weeks and try to make them pay enough through attrition that they'll finally say well we better talk and then show them that that's what we're trying to do and point out to him he's a pretty anti CIA but just point out to him that John McCone told us last April that we just had to not take a hundred sorties or 200 sorties but we had to take everything we had and unloaded right away on all these areas because the American people wouldn't stand wouldn't stand still for over six or eight months bombing I read his memo yesterday and it just just proves it's right the way they are raising hell they're breaking ranks up on the hill because a bombing but just say now every time we lose a three million dollar plane we lost three of yesterday we got pilots back at least got two out of three but every time we lose the three million dollar plane we may have saved ourselves three hundred eight Marines and we have proceeded on the theory that we use little steel and little hydraulics a little system instead of a human and we think that they've got a hundred thousand people kept busy because of what we've done we think they might have twice as many people down there we don't think we ought to match a man for man and we're not to match a man man we've either got put some ships or planes because that's all we got besides man for man and that's what we try to do and here are the ten reasons why I as a military man and as a political man think that it is essential and just say now I went along with the pause because all these people said from May until December that if you pause long enough to give us a chance that we can bring them to the peace table and the Russian said it well for bright came to me and said it back to Matt's people came to me and said it and my government came to me and said it everybody this Russian ambassador talked to came to me and said it after he talked to Mack Monday his blood pressure went to 208 and he said he's got it all worked out and then Bob Mack and I felt same way and finally got to Rusk and Rusk had doubts about it we held it up three times in Rusk got up and said well I think so and I still thought that we would just be in a plain damn fool to take off our pressure and do this but everybody else thought otherwise and finally they told me to talk to Max Taylor and that he would say that if we ever gonna have a pause and he wasn't urging him to recommend it but it would do a minimum amount of damage during Christmas when we had bad weather and so forth and I did and I finally on my own without anybody being responsible concluded that I had listened to this bellyache in so long by so many so frequently it took so much of my time every day with the Fulbright's and the Mansfield's and the hard kids the McCarthy's and the rest of them coming in that I just say put up or shut up so I told him go tell that Russian ambassador give him plenty of advance notice and tell him we not only have his 12 days we'd have his 20 days and now let's see get busy and let's see what they do well they couldn't be a drop I think she left and tried I just don't think he could deliver I think they wanted to try to work out something but I just don't think they could and to believe otherwise or just believe that they they really determined to eat us up and they can't be trusted told and I rather think that's true I think it anybody treat can be like you did on missiles and lied to him about that I don't think you can trust him a second but I won't try to get along in the world anyway I went ahead on that and I didn't go for five days I went for five weeks and the very damn crowd this same crowd now that said if you just give us 12 days just give us a chance full bright and more both had been out to dinner and they rule been to them they had everybody in this town to dinner I bet they had you to dinner tell you what to do and they had bundy to dinner and all of them and by God we bought it lock stock and barrel and we wound up there's a pretty set about my clothes with a big fat hunk chuck chunk of nothing that's where we wound up but we ought to be blamed now for being warm under because we did we tried to extend the peace one and we know that the United Nations not gonna resolve anything at least we don't think so but they raise hell about the United Nations so we're gonna do that now their record of prophecy and success is just about as poor as ours they started out and said we've got to kill Jim because he's no damn good and let's let's knock him off and we did then that's exactly where it started and I just played with it for time please don't that's where it started and they knocked him off and then by God they came along and said well you've got a pacification you've got no economic program and so on so forth so we did well it could there then they said well you're not negotiating I said well we'll talk to anybody anybody