 They tell me that I told them that when we get these plans agreed upon, or the way we want to handle them, like community relations, small business, so on and so forth. Just to get the guys to go up there and walk them through if they can't do it, then we just can't go through with what we're going to submit and try to do it before we get it in the papers. Now, they haven't been doing that. They sit back on their big fat fanny and smoke a cigar and look out to wonder, and don't do anything, and then they just get hell beat out of them. Because every lobbyist in the country gets organized, and we don't know anything about it. We just have to scratch it when it's over and say, well, I'll be damned, but I'm sorry. Community relations has almost gone that way. I don't know. It may be able to save it, but I've talked to the network organizations, I've talked to Nick Katz back, and I've talked to Abe Revikoff myself. But Roger Wilkins ought to be in the Air Force up there, and Nick ought to be in the Air Force up there, and I ought to leave it up to anybody else, except the folks that can go and try to get them committed, and the organizations ought to be ready to go testify before Revikoff's group, because Javitch is working on it from one end, and the other crowd the other. The same thing is true of small bending. Gene Foley, I told him to get him in every damned office. Now they come in this morning and say, well, Joe Califano said that Larry said, leave it up to Conner. Well, Conner won't even go home and have dinner with his wife. He's a goddamn, just fellow I ever saw. You know how he handled the road bail and beauty and so on. He never said that. And Gene Foley ought to be living with him. He's got to run around to dinners all over the United States. He ought to be up there working. Yeah, well Conner was given, as I recall, three Republicans to work on it, and Foley and the rest of the thing was being left with us. Well, Spark Money is just mad as hell, and Evans is mad as hell, and every member's already signed a big letter to me, 100% of the Small Business Committee. Now, what they matter, they want their little loot, and they want their Small Business Committee. And what I would try to do is find out why that committee can't operate under the Small Business Matters. If it's in commerce, just the same as un-American activity, it operates when a lot of stuff's in justice. I see no reason why they ought to kill a Small Business Committee. If anything, I tell them we need them a little more. They're going to have an expanded program that we've got an undersecretary of commerce for business and development, and it's going to be, they can have some other functions. They can kind of look after the development thing some, and the economic development, and that they don't need to abandon their committee. That Sparkman's going to be a bigger man with a bigger committee under the reorganization he is now, and just let them steal whatever loot they want to up there. He and Joe Evans, that's the kind of a sale pitch that needs to be made to him. But I think he's already gone so far now, he denounced us yesterday, and that can't do it, but they've had three, four months around here, since he pulled on over to sell him, and the president can't do it, and your job hunters can't do it. Yeah, well, let me, the community related one I had talked about, I thought that that was a better state than the small business problem, but apparently that's slipping off the end too, huh? The janitors give them hell on community relations, so that means the Republican side. The liberals, the Clark type, I don't know who they are, but that general type are giving them hell on the other. So, the ADA and that type, they want to keep in commerce. I don't know why the damn fools do, because justice has to settle everything, and justice has got some power, and they can look at his southern center, say something, Sam Irwin, he's against it, because he doesn't want anybody to have got the power handling any of these negative things, and if, well, can, and make them get any sense why they can point out that Jim Eastland and Sam Irwin don't want it, that's right, but why in the hell would they want to follow Javits off and keep it in commerce? Then they'll say, well, put it in H-U-V, and they'll say, well, you don't think that Weaver can, and you department don't think that he has much power in these things. He's going to need all the congressman centers he can get. He can't run any of them off. Justice's selling the guys for it, it got any independent. And they have a field day with Mansfield and Fulbright, Mansfield report and Fulbright's other outfit that very likely just kill all of our legislation. It was on yesterday about seven hours on television, and Fulbright is taking the Mansfield report and some of them trying to, and I think a very, very disastrous break. That's my view. The Black Lamar situation worked out perfectly. I don't know, I don't know. He and Wheeler were ready to testify anywhere, anytime, but they can't be very responsive on our strategy with China out in open session bombing China. You see, last week Fulbright had a bombing China with Rusk, and Rusk was trying not to say anything that would involve, well, Stennis went down Mississippi and bombed China all over the capital down there. So then Fulbright wanted his reaction, Rusk's reaction to Stennis bombing China. Rusk didn't want to fight with senators and didn't want to comment on bombing anybody. The question itself, the connotation was such as bad, it's like beating your wife. So Rusk said, well, now, son, this is a statement I haven't seen. I'd like to look at it. Well, he said, if you don't want to be responsive, if you don't want to be responsive, you don't need to. So what you get into in these open sessions on military matters is if you tell them the information, you run out on the boys out there and endanger them, if you don't, you're not responsive. So you can't satisfy the way. So the best way to do it is just go and tell everything in the session and let the committee take people and donate that gives encouragement to the enemy. We had the fact that two days ago, River's now giving McNamara transcripts and I talked to McNamara at some length. Finally, after a lot of referring back and forth, he gave McNamara copies of transcripts yesterday and I thought to myself, well, God, then we got it worked out so McNamara would be with River's so-called strategy board on the committee of eight when he gets back here. I thought he's probably did a little touch of sense up there in that group and I thought an hour later the full drive was going all the way right over. Well, it's been straightened. They don't give a damn. At the minute they see a TV camera, they're gone. You ought to tell McCormick and Albert today what a favorite expression it comes a time when a man's got a footy stack in playing poker. I think you ought to have some pretty serious discussions if you're still handling that hill group. Both Mansfield and McCormick can just say now if this crowd run around on television you're going to beat every goddamn man we got. Now Johnson don't give a damn. He's not running for any office and McNamara don't give a damn. They want a hell. But if your people are going to let them run wild and they are running wild since Mr. Rabin's up there this crowd just goes in every direction. Mendel-Wevers has got off one day here, Joe Evans the next. That's just a damnedest mess and you got no leadership. If you call McCormick you say, well I know how you feel but you know Mendel says so and so. Instead of saying goddamn you Mendel don't you you know what old man Rabin used to say to them. And you know what I would say to them if I was the leader of the Senate but Mansfield's got his report now and he sits back like a pious priest by God yesterday and they pour the stuff out of the filth on television and the men are there and I'm not going to withdraw them and they can undercut them all they want to and they can raise hell with the government and they don't need to appropriate. Younger and take up voluntary contributions and they can take poor Dave Bales and whip them seven hours on television if they want to but I think the time will come when they'll find that there's a pretty strong group here and I don't believe they'll win it because they are the ones that got to be elected not me. If I were running that'd be different but what I'll do is just say here's Fulbright has tried to destroy the administration here and they can do it. He ruined Truman the RFC. He came along and tried to ruin Eisenhower. He was ruining Kennedy the Bay of Pigs and he's tried to ruin everyone he's ever been here because he's interested in owning the New York Times. I think that's right. Well are you going to tell them that? Yep. And tell Mansfield if he doesn't know it that you just quote me direct as you've got guts enough to do and if he doesn't throw you out of the office you just say to him that President says that all his problems with Mr. Fulbright came because of your goddamn trip. You came down here and wanted to take a trip and Fulbright told everybody in town that I was trying to upgrade Mansfield over him and he got to play him and Fulbright couldn't get to play him and now when he goes to payin' me back for it Mansfield runs. Well I'll be glad to do that. Now just tell him that just say that when he goes to payin' it back for him that guy do you crawl under the bed he don't hear from you. I'll tell you that.