 and they're not coming together are also equally well known. That is also not a rocket science. So if you can find a way, so my line, what I'm trying to put forward or show or address via this is if we can find a way to create a so-called win-win situation by which the people, those who are looking forward to Auroville in terms of learning landscape and many learning requirement what Auroville has, if we can try to match it in some way, if we could organize ourselves up to that extent because many activities on that nature projects are happening where this two-way learning can benefit us immensely. Something more on those lines I'm trying to keep it. So planning is an act of synthesization. Hence act of yoga. This also I realize after being for more than 10 years in planning how challenging it is. So because it is synthesization. All the layers, whether the layers of the land, water, soil, percolation, all multiple layers, social, human behavior, famous, human factor, multiple things which come, all of them needs to be synthesized together. And this is more of also my personal reading. Hence it is an act of yoga. Also not so simple. I mean, things are not supposed to be simple here either way. So envisioning and developing integral planning and development capacity. I'm using the word capacity here particularly. The 50 years what we have done, what happened? If we can term it as a phase one, there has been a physical living base or a physical plane preparation which is incredible resource, living proof of how degraded environment which was there can be revived. Which is a very good message even not only for us for even rest of the world. We have entered clearly. We have already entered into an organizational phase which we can call also mothers integral education. Framework if we see physical, mental, vital, spiritual and psychic. So even if you relate with that, we are clearly entering into an organizational stage where we need to learn how to organize better. As simple as that. So I'm just trying to link three, four elements, aspects together. So it's a bit mixed again. So I hope you can relate well with that. What is happening today is another living lab test opportunity for co-creation, the way I see. Many such efforts have happened in the past. So this also I keep quoting and saying is very simple practical thing. Either you have a proposal or you have to follow somebody's proposal. This is a normal what happens in life in any situation as simple as that when your mother even asked at times in the house what would you like to have for dinner. So if you have something, you just say it. Otherwise she will even cook something which you will have to eat. So in this case as a community, as a society, if we have some say, we need to learn how to come together, organize, collaborate and bring it out in a proposal range. Not too diverse a thing. So we should also be able to cook our dish. Otherwise it is very complicated. We have a history of 50 years learning all that. So it will needs to evolve organizational system in much more enhanced effective way to meet this internal and related to bioregional development, contextual needs and challenges. It's a natural need for an hour. So I'm trying to relate two, three things together. I hope it makes some sense and input for the people working on this. How external situations are mirroring the need to learn to collaborate. I have already emphasized and creating a culture of collaboration for better organization. I'm taking to take you to one of the first, the rather recent study which was done. So I have been collaborating with one particular planning institute called School of Urban and Regional Planning Canada in Kingston. They have come to Auroville for five years. I did few winter programs with SEPT also. Many other colleges have been coming but in a bit different note, learning exchanges have been of different order. My exchanges with the students in different form got a chance to interact, talk to more than 25,000 students while I'm in Auroville. Many people have been collaborating on those. So, but more substantial ones, what I would call have been some of these. So there were five studios. The first one was, so this also, first one was mirroring the input which came from also Mr. Doshi. So I'll come to that. So how Auroville's outreach approach and surrounding visitors and impact rapidly increasing tourists and visitor related activities. I, these activities relate to Auroville's growth direction, planning development, green belt, village growth, economy employment, learning activities, Auroville's further hair education, security, mobility, resource use. This is in reference to the previous study which I mentioned, Auroville's tourist management framework. How many people use or share this area? Approximately, so learner short term, those who have been coming, guests staying in Auroville, these are approximate numbers which have been acquired from various sources within Auroville, the workers we are touching more than 6,000 workers, volunteers and interns, Auroville population approximately in six villages in the green belt with which this is the setup with which we are sharing this area. So this is yearly. So there is a bit of a glitch you can say when we relate to Auroville population. So either we multiply it by 365, I'm not sure, but this is to give you an indicative reference. What is the context here? Another interesting thing is till when this study was done, they were almost 7 lakh plus visitors which were coming per year. And if you put that into this context, this yearly population is, it really dwarfs that. So that she shows you the dynamics. When we talk about ground realities, no, just to give a sense that this is Auroville population, Auroville master plan, no. Auroville's own population and the six villages which are in the green belt which are part of master plan, just a kind of a visual separation. So we are sharing the resources, area, activities which is generating mobility, change in land use pattern, water consumption, solid waste management, all multiple things which we are discussing. This is already in a much greater operation which is happening presently. You may identify this. I referred to this yesterday. Some of you might have visited. You know, Hodgkhas? It was a very poor and organized village. How shiny it is. It happened in, I don't know, less than 10 years. It might have picked up this. Another image. Anybody, any guess? Yay. So this is, Tento is here, bored. I happened to go there. I had my family visiting. So I needed something. I went to Coelapallia. There was a more than 20 minutes, more than half kilometer jam. Last week. Yeah. Fine. So we can always say, we can argue that this is only happening three days, but I don't think so. This is a pattern which is picking up and it will keep on picking up more and more. Huge. So there's a proper jam. I had to park my bike on the side, wait. Then I used phone and camera to, I said I will record this just to see. Proper. You can see full jam. Still far away from almost close to Coelapallia main downtown or Bakery side till further here. Many eateries. Somebody was saying, people have counted, I don't know, some 70, 80 eateries eating joints between Coelapallia main, which is not touching almost certitude side. So it's a very flourishing situation. When we talk about ground reality, it is something you cannot wish to ignore. These elements are dictating many of the planning related episodes in and around. So the point I'm trying to make, we need to develop our capacity to take care of our internal affairs. So something like this could be a test case. If we don't flux our planning muscle in terms of learning how to collaborate, our capacity to interact, deal or even take care of these forces, which are very much around today. They will only increasing at a much greater and rapid pace. We will not have that capacity. As simple as that. So this is to be also kept in mind. We cannot wish it. The situation is not same in 1968, how things have started. It is changing. So what is Hodgecast Village? Apart from all these things, all artists will answer small business. All this has come. Sounds very familiar. What is happening within one kilometer, two kilometer from here? This is some images. Some images from Hodgecast. Some of you may have visited, I guess. You can visit. So the major concerns are episode land use, narrow streets, violation of building codes, litter from emergency services along the lanes and sanctioned building plans, unchecked commercialization, improper solid waste management, insufficient sewage infrastructure. So this is what is happening, but the people, those who study planning, development and related concerns, this is very normal. This is not a rocket science. This is the way development, particularly in South, in India, not South India, but in general, South has been happening like this. So we are in the middle of, as I mentioned, if you see from Mahabalipuram to Pondicherry, it's a recreational belt. So Auroville is a green park. Auroville is a green park for that recreational consumers. You like it or not? What is our response? This is what we are trying to figure it out or work towards. But all the people, those who come to Pondicherry, a daily visit, larger visit, longer visit, activity, engagement to Auroville is a given fact. So how all this also contributes to the economy of Auroville is also, I think, fairly well known, perhaps a bit more articulation of that can happen. Our guest houses, vehicle rentals, mobility, all this many activity, our eateries, which are full. All this is catering to a large emerging visitant requirement. And it's very real. There is nothing artificial about this. Shearing of resources, consumption of water, energy, all this is directly linked. I touched upon this point yesterday. We are in a super tight, super rather hot, emerging development context. Idea is not to scare anybody, but also not to be so naive as if we are dealing with only a small population with small concerns of issue. No, that is not the case here. Your access roads, which you have seen, they are not fit to take care of requirement of, as in when we are 50,000, the surrounding area will be easily 5 lakh plus or more. None of the existing road can take care of any of this road. On this day when I was shooting this video, somebody, no norovillian staying there, they told me till 11 o'clock in the morning, they had three accidents. It's a matter of time, bit more fatal accidents will happen, may happen, and that will again strain our relationship with the surrounding villages because we are the drivers of this growth. So equations are going to change very dramatically. This is already happening. We don't pay that level of attention to these things, but this is happening. I don't know if we can show, somebody can show from Lavineer, what is the land purchase map, who has bought the land in this area? My personal kind of guess is, the available free land here, whatever it is, 80% of that might be by the third party, not related to either village, not to orovill, mostly hospitality sector, some rich people for farmhouses. My guess is most of this is already gone. You don't know it today, that's all. One day when they will start building, you will see ground floor, first floor, third floor, they will come within five to 10 years, as simple as that, not very far. And then we are talking about sharing of resources, water table, huge development, it's a matter of times, not very far. And these concerns have been expressed in different forums in orovill since the beginning, but I think we had a certain planning level, a skill capacity, it's a very real life challenge, what we deal with here. This I had touched, so I'm not going, so this is likely scenario. So roads are getting shaped up already here, three, four roads are getting connected, this is also getting connected. All this is quite also plotted here, if you go for cycling or drive in this area, most of this is quite taken care. So this is our also part of ground reality in development context. Dhyan Chowdi, how it is growing? So typically all the kind of shops, development, selling of property, restaurant, same hodgkha's behavior, this is a cafe, food, wood, all this is coming, this was a study done by one girl, where she was in Lavinia long back, so I just associated with her. This I showed yesterday, how it is growing. There was another study which was done, the growth management framework, so I have been concerned, and why I have been concerned after leaving so-called, let us say, taking a step back from active planning engagement, not being a part of the group. It is very much clear, the work profession is dear to my heart, all of it is also like all of you. So I thought I could use my, whatever, temperament, skill to get the planning level input studies for Lavinia or communities, as and when we, our society, community is ready, you have something ready in your hands, you don't have to start digging the well when you are thirsty. That will not work, that is not a very intelligent sign. So in my own capacity, in association and some collaboration, so I have been working on some studies, not trying to say I am the only one, many people have been working in different ways in Auroville to contribute toward this study. Now how do we take these studies forward and ahead that organizational and institutional gap remains? And that's the challenge. There is no dearth of studies. Absolutely. We have a huge talented land, the people's gathering here. So if we can figure that out, I think that remains our challenge or the equation of human unity. So this, whatever I'm showing you the studies, which are with me or mostly what I'm showing, I have them ready with me. I have passed it on to Lavinia, organizer of this event or gathering. I have sent you something today, more if required, just come with your pen driver hard disk, more than happy to provide. One of the point which became very clear and this was highlighted also by Mr. Doshi, I would like to mention, during his first interaction. Need of social landscape places. How and when do you meet in this community with each other in a relaxed way? Do you meet with a group of people, not personal friends? So we might not have realized because we are living in a nice, tightly pressed environment many a times. We know the challenges also. But if you see the way we interact is this, we can always express as we want, all kind of freedom is exercised here. We publish this, many people work towards this. We have this, we have Auroville radio which can record many things, many things. These are just to show these are the ways in which we have been interacting. Even the meeting of this, what is happening today, it is a very agenda oriented. Information is being shared. We are learning exchanging, but it has a focused goal which is absolutely fine. But the point which came out also during the interaction with Mr. Doshi, our so-called decision-making system is very participatory. But we are not meeting with other people of the community in any relaxed setting ever. We are always meeting in some meetings and gathering. Agenda is heavy on your mind. You have to put your point across. So the chances of learning and exchanging becomes very poor and thin because I have to communicate this point and then I have to go. I have some other things to do. So is with everybody. So this need was recorded. So this is also my input to the people, the architects, those who are working on this. So a need for social interaction landscape places is one of the key here in Auroville. If that can be incorporated by creative ways in design, I think that is the one point. So our knowledge resource system is very rich. But how we interact with each other, we are quite tough on each other. This was the last studio I did with the SEPT Winter School. It was Crown Urban Design. This also is available. I'll be happy to share the kind of information which was provided to them. We took two sectors because development is concentrated here. So if you try to tackle them, again, a small mini lab and develops all these facilities, maps, whatever data is available, I'm happy to pass it on. Or when you work later further, this is an introductory level presentation. If you want to interact, I'm around. I can interact later. Where are the community facilities, least key of community spaces? Where are they located? All those basic material was prepared by our office and this was shared. And this is, you may, this may be a bit interesting through the architects. So, oh, there was, there were headings, but I know. So this is Roje's Galaxy Plan, the part of Crown Design, fine? If you see what Roje himself detailed out later, he detailed out two zones, cultural zone and international zone. So his, that detailing is reflected here. This became this, fine? Then this is DDP. DDP by Luis Feduci. He was given by Lavenia. I don't know how many people have seen that studied it. Has, is it part of the package which has been shared or somewhere as a resource material? I would personally recommend that you should look into that. I find it, we may, of course, disagree on multiple points. That is not critical issue here. One of the very good study I liked personally, what he had done or at least attempted. He has tried to integrate all the layers, the whatever has been given to him, from Auroville, water, soil, mobility. So the way he has tried to put together and produced very, very detailed, very thorough work. I think it is worth seeing, referring. So it is good if you see there's quite a lot of resource material and chances are I'm missing out few others which others may have. And this is our existing ground situation. It might have gone a bit more up. So we had taken this stretch because this is the need. I mean, if you see sector one and two are developing, if we can demonstrate here, if we can weave something, so that is the need. One of the needs. This is from his Louis Fezuchi's work. Very detailed, he calls it land development unit, specific parameter, coding, a number of people, areas, how it, height, ground coverage, everything. All it is there. These are full, there are two books. This is the kind of a detailing. These are the plot boundaries, the way he has found out. These red are the numbers, codes for each plot, something like that. So if people have not seen it, I would suggest have a look. Key community spaces where they are located just to see in relation with each other. There's another work which was done also by Bankim. He was 2000, after 10, 11, I guess, something like that. Sector one and two studies, how different facilities are in how much walking area. So this study is also reasonably resourceful if people want to have a look. Another learning activity which I had seen, Auroville Green Practices Group Consulting had started long back, most of you may be here that time. They had organized a bicycle friendly Auroville. So the point I'm trying to make, many learning activities, the outcome of these have been useful to Auroville in one way or another. So if you can align, there's a huge learning, what would you call? Community waiting outside to be engaged with us. So if you know how to tap, like if your sockets are ready, the people can come and help charge. So if we can create that possibility, I think that would be a very good possibility. Yes, so good that you pointed it out. There was one more with the Canadian students I had done. So Auroville Sustainability Indicators. I did in all four, one was the crown. Auroville Sustainability Indicators, Greenbelt, Settlement Planning Parameters, Urban Framework. There was one more I'm missing, let me remember. So how the exchange has been, all this is a part of learning exchange as well as this also has been providing to economic sustenance to many of us. This is an interaction happening of Canadian students with the then planning group. So Auroville was part of this member, Toby's there. So all the inputs, so all this has been, these have been I would say rather well organized. All input, diverse input, different viewpoints, sessions, lectures, talk, visits, all that has been happening, the way it happens in I would say in any decent college. So the point I'm trying to also highlight via this is, these are all activities which are happening in Auroville. So this is a bit of, if you see carefully in the name of work test, it's a very open learning environment, open university kind of a system. So if we see from a learning society perspective, it's a very rich scenario. And if we take that line and we use the component of learning for how do we learn or relate with each other while co-creating and the input which can come via this for Auroville's manifestation further research, I think that area is quite huge. These were IIT Roorkee students, those who came for one sustainability program, they are in solitude. Okay, this is either double, SEPT, they were also seeing farm as well as food here. This is sacred grove with Manu. This is construction, the lime construction. So huge number of resources. So some of them have been for a short visit. That is not the point I'm trying to put across, but there is a huge resource possible which we can tap into and we can develop. Many of them are looking for topics which can contribute to Auroville also. I know personally in Lavenier it is not easy to go deeper into the research by the existing team or any existing team, not this particular because there is a fair amount of firefighting which happens. So the temperament to work on any topic in detail, generally the point energy gets miss out. It is not easy. So the support could be also created. David, some workshops which have been happening. These were also, I think, Canadian students. Another component I'm just highlighting, this is one last point here, is these were the engineers, those who came for a workshop, alternative construction workshops. So what we tried to do, this is just continuation of the previous point. They wanted to learn alternative construction technology. These are engineers from Bilaspur, Chhattisgarh and Nandanam, Shalaja has designed it, but they also had a need. They also had a need of one more boundary wall or something. So, 30 are done. 30 is left. So I should use 10 minutes to then question answer something like that. So we worked out a system which was win, win, win for all. So Nandanam got this boundary wall. They wanted to extend a bit for children and this boundary wall and the whole experience were designed as an alternative construction workshop. So even the engineers got what they were willing to learn. The school got this wall literally free, the whole campus. So there was a good learning exchange. So like this, these are smaller dimension, what I'm trying to say. I'm sure many other people might have done much bigger work. All this is out of educational activities and exchanges, both in hard and soft copies. This is a hard work which has happened. Multiple soft level inputs are available. So there is a huge potential. If we align, if we organize ourselves, the studies which we are not able to do or even for the future, I think that's synthetization can be developed. This was the work which was done with Canadian students capturing the spirit of the crown, consideration for social spaces in Auroville. So the work what they have done, the guideline how the nodes could be created. I'll share that book again. The full book is there. So the people, those who are working, you can have a look and see what is relevant for you to develop your design consideration for that. Towards that again, there has been a long talk for many, many years, integral design course in Auroville. Helmut has also written two, three page note. Many people have worked. Mr. Doshi also talked about. So the point I'm trying to make, if we take a learning society approach, it has a very good potential to link, which can keep it at the center of it. Development is anyway happening around it in multiple way. And this can also give input for different activities in Auroville. Oh, I'm skipping this. This map is already shown. So this was done by Prashant in Sangat, Mr. Doshi's office, when all the layers were superimposed. So this is our, just to highlight why I'm showing you this is, Mr. Doshi had mentioned very interestingly that your decision-making structure is very participatory. So how do you create institutional memory systems around this? So the exhibition which I showed yesterday, part of that I have shared the filing with Helen, is that there should be a place. So I think I would personally see and prefer if, apart from other things, if we could keep some place here, which is a good reference. I'm not saying the reference, final reference, creative expressions and diversity is always welcome, but there could be a possibility where our community, the people, those who are there, those who join, they have some reference. So we don't have much physical references. So that also creates personal narratives, sometime bit too wild. So for our community, it is good if we can create the references, the exhibitions in some place related to planning. I'm showing you some of the studies which were there. This is the Louis Featherchees study, which he did. This is one urban design study for the crown. I don't know if you are familiar. This was, did Latha present part of this? Yeah, she mentioned. She mentioned. So there is a study on the crown done by the then Lavineer members. I think Latha, Anita and all, they were part of this. So this study is also available for your reference. Mobility, you have seen. He presented already, Dreamcatchers. Are you presenting it or this is somewhere separate is to be seen, Dreamcatchers. For this gathering, I mean, I'll leave it to you. Already shared, yeah, I thought so. There was one more, I think Anita, Latha mentioned about this. They have done an interesting work also in residence brainstorming session, what are the facilities required? So if you see this report also, the people, those who are working, you will see how you can integrate some of those requirements, which can develop as a response while working on the crown. I think it is easy to match. This is the existing condition report of residence sector one and two by Bankim. This report is also available. So all this resource material is available. I think should be available to you to go through. This is a paperback Helmut. I think he is discussed already on public spaces and development of Horrible's crown. Huge amount of database, which you have already shared. I don't know, you might have taken from here, I guess, because this is already well-compiled on mobility. Very, it's a huge, for a city of this size and scale, the number of studies which are available, it is quite incredible, absolutely. So the synthesization of that or a taking key point is careful task is to be done. There are some resources on integral planning in Horrible Wiki. This is AIH, our health center. So how they had also developed the response to the crown, what we have is this building here. So they had also thought, so maybe at some point in time, some interaction with Helmut may not be a bad idea, how they had already also on that part. Okay, great, so later. I already mentioned about the exhibition. This exhibition was supposed to be so-called permanent, kind somewhere. We have still not reached so that the reference is available to the community. There were ideas earlier on the, this is your drawing? I somehow remember. So there was, there was idea of even Surat Kichen Plaza, those activities or some of these things on the crown and social landscape places. So these are some of the inputs which are there. I'm sure you might have thought in your own ways what are the needs of community and both present. These are the markets which have been happening. Nobody would have thought that this can also happen here. Well, I'm not sure whether it was exactly for that, but. No, I know. Oh, yes, this structure, yes. This structure, yes. I thought you organized children to sleep there. This I was not sure. This was part of this SEPT Urban Design Studio. So they had brought full model of Kalpana, how this is relating. So all this was organized. This was a visit. The architect of Kalpana, explaining the whole, how the design principle, material choice, everything. And so Hassani also explained to the same group, human escape, because it is also on the crown. So what is, how it has been designed. So all these inputs, these kind of possibilities, they exist. So if we can make use of them. Just put it there, one of the material in the study, but a few people I already have seen access, it's fine, up to the Dreamcatcher's team to show. So these are some of the activities. If we see how our social interactions have been happening in community, different type of activities. This is also from some, some fair, some play in youth center. So if part of these activities, this is I think from Circus area, I guess, isn't it? Circus partner. So whether they can be there, or some part of this in around side. Basically, if all of these images, I'm not trying to show what they are doing, but a need of community gathering space I think is very much required here. The point was also if you have a possibility of interacting with people in a much relaxed setting, chances are you will have a better dialogue. This famous dialogue of also Mr. Doshin film, which is there, purpose of architecture is to generate dialogue. So if you replace the building or architecture also the spaces and experiences. So if you could have the possibility of that dialogue in a relaxed setting, the chances are our harder meetings will get bit softened and we may be able to make some more progress effectively. So it is to be seen in that context. So if social landscape places are taken into consideration, this is also there are some of the places where our social activities have been happening of a kind of gatherings. I think that was the last, I guess. Yeah. Thank you. Yes, so we have about 15 minutes or maybe a little more for questions. So David, do you have any names for me? Yes, sir. Hi, Lalitha, I'm Raj. But I'm a little bit disappointed not seeing some of the things that actually happens in Auroville. For example, you talked about social landscape. I absolutely agree with you. We need to have more of those, a bit of letting the hay down and having a conversation a bit more. But I do know that number of potlucks happens in Auroville. They're really well known. And I am in at least two potluck on a weekly basis. So there are plenty of things happens just whether you're available. Number one, I found that people in Auroville are quite busy with the potlucks and so many other things. So yeah, there are other things happen. So I absolutely agree with you. In my reading, you are only reinforcing my point. You are reinforcing because these things have been happening. And if we could provide a bit more different... I'm not saying better organized organization, but let us say more places for these occurrences. The chances of community interaction, healthier interaction will increase. So when you can sit across a person and talk about the issues which may be heavy to your heart, at least there would be a possibility to see each other's perspective in a relaxed setting as against in a one hour meeting when you have to give your opinion and go out. So then that time your state of mind is I think a bit different. That is the premises. So yes, we should increase more. And I have been to some of these potlucks. We have also been organizing potlucks in courage which is one of the biggest community of Auroville, perhaps maybe the biggest. So being a member of that community for almost 14 years. So we organize many potlucks. So I'm aware of the community living flavors, yeah. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Lalitha. I would say that the need of peaceful and meaningful exchange of ideas in a relaxed context is actually the need of the hour. And I personally feel very much comfortable when it happens in the open. Yeah, of course, due to maybe environmental constraint, it can be also good in a closed environment. But this goes together also with the idea of the plazas and so on, which should be always part of, seen also as that. Now, coming to the dream, I'm so glad, sorry to say, not to be part of the design team, because you guys, you have something immense in front of you. And I'm amazed at the quantity of studies and data and so on. So my question to the dream weaving architects is not to you. I just thank you for your input. How are you going to do? I mean, the task is, no, it's on a practical level. Are you going to sub-working groups, small groups? How you divide? Somebody is going to take care of the mobility in each group? I'm just curious. I'm sorry. Maybe you don't, depending on what's in the room next. Thank you. Even before you finish the sentence, Omar is about to print a plan there. I'll speak to you later about that one, because we're talking about this. Yeah. Now the point, if I just put it, there's a huge amount of input available. And we are familiar, and I think perhaps one of the things could be if we relate, we agree on what are the community's requirement in that sense, both immediate and enforceable future. Around those thematic areas, design expression could be very, but if we take care of those key concepts, key elements, I think that would be a nice way to reflect upon or build on. With all these studies that you have had done, I was just wondering, because something which I haven't heard in the last couple of days is the projected amenities which will be needed for the next couple of years, next whatever, 10, 20 years, and the spread of them, which maybe that we can figure out. But it would be very helpful, at least for me, to know what kind of amenities are going to be required. Is there any study done on that? You are talking about within horrible context? Yeah. OK, so one of the study I think is this resident's brainstorming session. Perhaps that has something which was done by the Lavineer of Anita's and there are some other people. So that study has. Bankim's study of sector one and two that also has. So now, how do we relate and come to some common ground about what is required that can also be a subject of creative debate? On some count, we may be already over providing a few facilities. But on another count, we may be having less. So how do we go ahead with this? Maybe we start with some list which is already available and something can be bounced to different organizational or groups. Actually, some amount of, I would say, very thought out, detailed, elaborated discussions are not there on some aspect. So I would imagine input should also come from groups like FMC, the school, the sports, other groups. So those compilation of all of them in a very fine format, I'm not sure if it is there. But something is there. See, again, there are two things. If you go by the planning number wise, you can easily assess. We had done long back. I don't remember often that for this much population, for this scale, for this node, for this activity, you may need these kind of facilities. So that exercise has been done multiple times. But if you see or will, in some areas, we are rather too much well provided. We may be ahead of any normal standard system. But in other areas, we may be lacking. So something like this. And the whole thing is also linked. So my, also the input at this point would be to the people working. You will have to see many things linked. Why I started touching the first part of even regional and tourist infrastructure, but because the impact of that, the nature of activity, the way people are coming to Matrimandir, economy it is generating and their requirement, which may be seen also as developing our service nodes. They are directly linked. They are directly linked. So we cannot wish it away or compartmentalize too easily. So things are linked. So if we can develop the habit and ability of linking and providing them, I think that is the way we can make some inroads or secure what is to be developed. If something particularly comes to my mind, I'll share with you or organizers. Rajiv. Yeah, thank you for a wonderful presentation. My question was actually there were two comments. One was, I think you have a lot of social spaces. You have all kinds of facilities which don't exist as you rightly mentioned in most other parts of the country, in most cities, most towns. The problem is they're all dispersed. There is no concentration of things that at one point, a lot of things come together. People by chance encounter each other because they have to visit that place. I agree. I had one place which was concentrated, which everybody had to pass through or had to visit and pick up stuff from there or whatever. Or it was a meeting place. Things were automatically spread from there. I agree. And I think that's a major of this thing. The other one is that when you have such large spaces, you also need population. So dispersal and lack of population or critical mass of population both lead us to the kind of situation that you're talking about. The second point that I wanted to make was about, you know, I've been seeing so many wonderful ideas. I've been seeing from the past three days, we've been seeing ideas after ideas after ideas. And I keep wondering, is there no mechanism that exists? Is there no backbone of management and organization that says, okay, here are great ideas. Okay, now which ones of these let's start implementing. So the gap between trying to implement something and then that starts connecting to your economy, to the finances, to not only about the idea or design, but it talks about all these linkages which are absolutely missing. I mean, it seems to me that it's like a regime change. You know, every couple of years there's a regime change and everything starts from scratch. Sort of. And so you end up by it not doing anything. I mean, we have a wonderful library. That's all we're gonna have. So I feel that until and unless we put into place that backbone that says these are critical areas for us and we need to take action, they may not, even if they're haphazard and they're not exactly according to plan, but there'll be life. What's happened is that because of that, it's robbed of any life or chance to make things happen. So those are our two points after looking at your presentation. This is very, I think super appropriate and that is the context we have been living in many of us. So just to also paraphrase in a different way, my own reading is if I particularly refer to the first part of my presentation, how the surrounding development is very, very strongly dictating the terms you like it or not. It is dictating the terms we can. So I refer it to our capacity, our ability to relate with that and come together. So I think we just don't have now the luxury of holding our own preferred viewpoints and perspective. We just don't have that luxury. We have been having, we have been utilizing that freedom in that sense. I don't think we have that anymore. Already things are getting quite compromised and different level of upheaval or internal unrests are very visible. All this I relate. If we work out a system, we commit to that, that we work out a platform or a system where we can lay down all the things full buffet. These are the different, even different ideas. This is community need requirement, not only for now, for next 20 years, because the development which I have shown and highlighted, they are going to impact very strongly for long term. Absolutely. So if we can relate with that, maybe it is there where people like you with a professional background and experience can also help us. Because I think without that kind of a system in place, people have been trying, like I always have high regard and sympathy for the people those who have been passing through the doors of love in here in their own good interest. But this is where we have reached so far. So, but from now onwards, in order to change the gears like this particular workshop, this opportunity is again one of those golden chance. If we can figure out a way to integrate our differences and align the forces somehow. That's a very real life challenge, absolutely. And again, I go back to, if we can't do it, you already have a proposal. Yeah, it ties very much in with what Rajiv just said. And you responded when in audio compilation of all the work that has been done, I always miss something which was, I think in January 2019, Aurovillea Way Forward, which was for me next to the retreat in 16 and all, but it was such a tremendous experience of Aurovillians from all walks of life, all nationalities, a lot of participation from local Tamil Aurovillians coming together for a week and working on governance, water, planning, guided with the input of really internationally practicing renowned planners and architects. And somehow it almost fell completely true. It's not mentioned anywhere, somehow and I always, it's not really a question, but it was great because it was one week and there was such an opening and suddenly this is all gone. And it's not mentioned anymore. And sorry, maybe you overlooked it. I think you are referring to retreat, no? No, no, no, 2019 Aurovillea Way Forward. January Sessions, I think. You had Joachim Eble from Germany, Haberdreis Eitel on water. And it was such a wide, wide event. And it was like, I know Oman all day worked on something which was like holistic town planning. I was like, wow, if that's possible in four days, why are we not carrying on? And immediately after that happened, it was buried so deep somewhere. And maybe you found it again. No, this is, I think you are hitting the point very well and in a way Rajiv is also highlighting and I'm not saying let this be the last presentation. There are many more people, but this point, I mean, keep on producing the studies is not giving me an extra joy. I have been doing it because I could see Lavineer will not be in a position to do this. I'm in a position because I like it and this relates well. Let this input be there on the table. When we start discussion, there is something there to start discussion. You don't start digging the well. Just you have some material to go through this and develop, so we as a society have not reached that organizational point. So this workshop may also enter into those waters. This workshop may, because what will you do for people super enhanced, there is a challenge, something is hanging. If you don't do somebody else is ready to do, we have seen that season. So you will produce something. I have full faith and best wishes. I'm sure something will come out amazingly well, but if it is going to be the again reputation of the same cycle, it is not fun. It is not helping us go forward anyway. So it's a real life challenge if we can make a breakthrough of that kind. I think it is more of a that. So it's a real test of our community, our abilities, capacities to come together and do creative work. Individually, we are very creative. Collectivity has been a challenging task, no? Because it was such a collective effort. But again, not to deem in that our capacity to carry forward collective works has been not so great. It's a very real life observation. Yes, Peter? Dreaming, the official dreaming of the galaxy in pure and that was a big drama at that moment. It was really at a very difficult moment also. So many political things came together. And from that time onwards, now it's a good that you remember and remind us, this politicization, but on a spiritual or whatever ideological ground, that started at that time because one side was shocked by an input from outside which was fairly neutral or not neutral because it was maybe too green or too ecological, whatever you said. But I mean, these points have to come to the table and this is the occasion now to do it. And I'm not on any side, but it's a main issue which is always cutting us since 40 years in two. Okay, I think we have to close because we have to go to the next speaker if Sophie is ready. But any other questions for Lalit? Just write down and we'll send to him. So thank you, Lalit. Thank you, I hope it works. In one, it's literally one minute. Both are on edge today. Just a thought about the process of taking it forward. I mean, you've been in Lavineer and many people here have been in Lavineer and it's like an official planning body. But apart from that, I wonder if there could be like there's a water group or like there's a group which is a little bit more open in the sense has the time and the energy which is not pressured because Lavineer is always, the external internal pressure is going through but a body or a group that really looks at putting together this research, putting together these ideas, just kind of connecting the dots of the studies. I can give my present day practical kind of a situational response. But I feel the emerging situation if we have people like Rajeev and his team, fine. They can be the reference. They can help us in certain things, certain prioritizations. So whatever input we have to provide, whatever even data we have to provide, if we can take it through them. So like they become your technical partners of a certain kind, it's fine. So lots of material idea, what are the community needs requirement? We are aware. So if we can bring it all together and complete the cycle, what I have seen, many a times we have not been able to complete the cycle. We have not been able to complete the circles. So there it is like always open-ended affair. So that has been very challenging. So if we could work on those elements also where community could be engaged and I think it is possible. It is not a rocket science, but to hold the space for next one year, I will put it that, hold the space, then people also commit. And if they need some support, their support should be provided of any kind, whatever, even if maintenance, anything, whatever is needed. Because if people are not available to put that kind of energy, then again it is left to few. Few can do something else. So it becomes a very complex affair. So it is a kind of collective resolve issue also to be available and work on it. Okay, it seems we do have one or two more minutes whilst we set up the technical as we have Andrea joining us via Zoom. If anyone has another question. Thank you, Lalit, for both your presentations. So my question is around, like you mentioned yesterday also about how in planning it has to be, you know, zoning and in phase, in zones or in phases, like when it comes to planning, we do the planning in zones and phases. So as per your understanding and expertise, what would you suggest the need of the hour when it comes to creating spaces? Like the need of the hour in terms of do we need more of residential or institutional and et cetera? So, and why? Well, I don't know which comment of zoning you are referring. I just mentioned there are zones in Auroville but they are predominant land uses. They are not isolated or rigid zoning concepts the way I see. So it is to be seen in that context and elaborate. And already if you see there are multiple things happening in different communities, we have residential pockets. We have to also see what we are today is though important, but a small number of population is there and a much more is to be accommodated. So planning's job is also to make sure, at least to ensure that there is a provision for the future growth and development. So that is the one part. Second part is what is required today. I feel, of course, this is social landscape places or the combination of that. Bit more living together experience, taking the point of Rajiv further. So we are still quite scattered. So living together teaches you or opens you to some other dimension. So the way we are living today, it gives us a certain freedom slash luxury of avoiding each other. So in a way we are postponing our learning. So if the conditions, circumstances, bio-designs are also created that people have an opportunity to interact with the job, this can perhaps pave the way for healthier discussion, interaction. And I think if that dimension or that environment is created, that can lead to a better creation. This is somehow I also see. So that is the one level. If we can create the condition for holistic dialogue of some kind. This is one institutionalization of few things or the facilities is, of course, I believe that would be helpful. We are very rich in terms of talent as a community. So if that can also be taken to next level, everybody is making various individual efforts and I can see and sense many people are also tired. Many people are tired, they're putting their energy also outside. So if we can find a way to utilize that talent and channelize that energy and resources, people are very resource rich in terms of what context and possibilities they have. Okay. So if we have a framework, if we can develop that framework in which people can give their input energies back to our will in organized way, I think that would be a great solution if we can work towards it. Okay, thank you, Lalit. We now need to move on just to test the technical before we come to Luigi and Andrea. So thank you, Lalit. Thank you. So just to say we have one speaker or two speakers left speaking together, one in person and one on Zoom. And we have one hour left. So Luigi, we have to be out of the room at four because there's a Sri Aurobindo talk happening after. So we may ask you, we may remind you when it's coming close to time. We have a bell, we will ring that at 30 minutes at 45. Andrea, can you hear me? I don't hear you. Are you muted? Latin way. Wow, Luigi, stop it. Aditi will be shouting at you, not me. Ah, yes, yes. She knows, she will squeeze me if I go overboard. So whilst we're just finishing the technical, I'll just introduce the next speaker. Take for this last session. Okay, no, it's not. Son? Hello, can you hear me? No. We'll start without the speaker. Okay, so why I don't hear him? I don't know. I can hear you perfectly. Oh, he's here, he's here. Okay. I think I hear you, but it's very, very low. Low, oh, better. Yeah, okay. Now it's better? Yeah, it's better now. Okay. Okay, because I changed some regulation here. We are getting there. Okay, that's good. Yeah, good, thank you. Okay, so Andrea, which camera is on the screen now? Not this one, that one, okay. Who's on this? Venki, can you zoom? Okay, Andrea, we have to tinker a little bit, like do some kind of a dugout. So you are going to see your presentation. Do you see your presentation right now on my window? Yes, but it's not my, I mean, it's not my computer, it's your presentation. Yes, it is, but then if you see it, then you just tell me when to go to the next slide, okay? Okay, because I changed it a little bit, but okay. Do you want to share your own screen? If you share your own screen, it's better for me. Oh, let's try, okay. We can try it right now. Yeah, yeah, let me just enable the screen sharing. Okay, now you should be able to share your screen. Okay, let's see. I'm sharing, you can see it? Yeah, I can see. So the screen that you are sharing now is, voilà, amazing. Okay, actually it's the same presentation, but we have some changements. It's perfect, it's exactly what we need. So then you're in control of your own slides, yes? Okay, that's fine. Very good. Okay. Okay, okay. Yay, where is Andrea? Why you don't have it? Yeah, I'm here. Ah, voilà, okay. Okay, Ellen, we're good, it works. Okay, if everybody can come back in, we're ready to start the final presentation now. So just making your way back to your seats. So this final presentation is on the International Zone, and we're joined by Andrea Camarata on Zoom, and he's a friend of Oroville, a professor of architecture in the Polytechnic University in Milan. He spent much time in Oroville over the last five years and has focused his energies on the International Zone. And joining him in this presentation will be Luigi, who's also focused much of his energies recently on the International Zone and has been heavily involved in the planning and development of Oroville. So welcome, Luigi and Andrea. I will, but please, Andrea is there. Andrea is on the screen. Please give him the full screen, you cannot? Ciao, Luigi. Ciao, ciao. You have more bird now, it has increased, Andrea. Yeah, white. Sorry, all friends, greetings. We can't see you. Like Santa, you know? Of course, of course, don't worry, don't worry. I don't mind, it was just about. Very nice, very nice to see you. Are you fine? You're fine? I'm good, I'm good. Okay, I'm, it's okay. Almost. Okay. I don't need any mic. Okay, Andrea, the ball is in your court. You please have the reference. You see that we are into the study for a strategic plan of the International Zone. Yeah, yeah, I'm in control of it. Very good. Can we say that this is the beginning of a DDP? Yeah, it is. Okay, so please go. Thank you for inviting me. I'm very happy to be there, even virtually, but I can come actually in this period. So this presentation is, as you can see in the picture here, is quite updated, but is late also because it was done in 2019 to the DDC, it was done before. So, but it's just to enter in the argument that lasted for four years were in my life in Nairobi. Okay. So, first of all, there are in this moment, Luigi had TDC have many people in the room, I think already have the four presentation I did, but that called T1, T2, T3, T4 about the work I did in very specific way. So there are almost four hour of presentation about that. So the slides are there and you can see them. This is a very short presentation because we need just to have a short time. We did a very, just let me, okay, we did a very huge work of collecting information and analysis and analysis about land, parambuk, every kind of land inside the international zone and around the international zone. A full topography survey done by Giulio, a great work, I have to say. Then an analysis of geology types, soil erosion, every kind of surface water system, ponds, canyon, whatever. Water catchment, complete a forestation analysis also this done by Giulio and not only by our local expert about a forestation. We analyze all kinds of parks for nursery we have in the area. Obviously we collect every information possible about the buildings from the biggest in which you are, for example, until the last shed and that's in the area, even the village. About the village, about Varati Puram that is actually inside the international zone area. We collect even very lot of information locally with a set of students, with a group of students about population, number, sex, occupation. You can see the picture in every kind of information about all the houses, people, residents, evolution and dispension in the last 15, 20 years. And then about the road system, the building, the toilets, really everything inside the area. Then population inside the international zone and we are not talking about only residents but also activities and active people inside. Occupied people, the tourist impact the information are given by the visitor center, for example. And about all the fencing and the various forms we have inside the area. We did a huge analysis about the green and blue infrastructure, that means green forestation, parks and whatever and the flowing water system or the pond system together. This is called green and blue infrastructure of the area. When we did a road analysis with also a traffic type of consistency analysis inside the zone and the areas with main risk for crossing for people and for pedestrian and not all. We collect the information about power lines, every kind of infrastructure present until the last of the trash bins that we found around, telephone and whatever. This is called T1 in the presentation that you can have and go through. Then we did another kind of work about collection of materials. So specifically about the plan of our ability of international zone. We started from the talking of mother from the writing of mothers about the, about our bill and about the international zone to understand that deeply what is the meaning of international zone for mother and for the community. And obviously we go through the most known and renowned picture that is actually also MacCat in this form that is the vision of our ability. The vision is also included in the master plan of our ability of 2001. This is one picture of the vision. The vision is something that was evolutionary as far as it was the master plan of our ability. We will go through this but this is the dream of our ability in terms of planet. Why I said that also the master plan was an evolutionary thing because I found the first master plan, first studies for the master plan were done in 1968. And so I started to analyze all the steps, evolutionary steps of the master plan until 2001, so the approved one, the last one. And I found that in this evolution there were a lot of inputs, very important to understand the need and the sense and the meaning of international zone. For example, just as an example, in this picture there is the international zone and the cultural zone together but are very linked to the system of the university and with a university campus here and the university of peace here but now it's called SIRU. This is something that keep together the two areas of our ability, two of the main areas of our ability to zones. And in the same plan, we can see that was marked as a two pole system in which international zone and the cultural zone obviously through matrimandial has to develop an incredible energy for all over our ability in terms of cultural evolution and educational evolution. Then flying straight to the vision of international zone, this is a slice of international zone you can mark here. Let me just see if I can, yes, I think that now you can see my pointer a little better. So this is SIRU, this is the crown road around here and this is all the international zone until here around that and up here. Okay, this is where you are actually, but it's you are something right here. You can see that in the vision, the area of international zone is full of green and blue. So the already told green and blue infrastructure, but this infrastructure is not, I mean, this is not a forest. In the vision of Master Pranamavaro, this is really not a forest. You can see it's a kind of garden system in which each cluster that represent the continent. It's very grouped, very solid buildings grouped together and with all around water and green. Green in terms of, as we say, of gardening is not a forest. If you can see, this is marked as something like a forest. This is the international zone area and this are, for example, as a reference, the gardening of the Matrimandir area. So you see that it's something in between, more garden than forest, for sure, or the area. Then, as I said also about this plan, let me go back, about this plan, there are several versions, several steps of development. This is one, this is another, but we transponder in digital, transferring digital, but we have many of them. And so this is the international zone with property lines and whatever inside the GIS system. Then we discover that there was another plan for the international zone, a master plan, done by Roger himself in 2006, 2008. Also, this is something that had an evolution of more than 10 years, I think. I discover several version of this. This is one of the latest, but it's not the latest, for example, because the zero is not in the final position and you will see, we will talk about Africa is very different. Anyway, in this plan, we have an educational part that is the entrance for tourists and visitors to visitor center area. All this area is an educational part. And then we have Africa at the time that was Eurasia, that means Europe and Central Asia, East Asia, America and Oceania. And this is Africa, this is Middle East, okay? This was the distribution in this step of the element of the master plan of the area. Also, this is transponding digital. And also here, you can see that there are already some differences because doing this work, not by me, but by TDC and Jacqueline and the group of people working there, we already are inside the reality. While this is marked on pure paper, this is not reality. This is Barati Puran village. So Africa, sorry, Asia became to be North East Asia and South East Asia divided by the village that is inside there. And a lot of our transformation. The most important also is Africa, that is completely different from the previous slide. Then we overlap with the two plants, the two master plan, the general master plan of Aruel and the local master plan of international zone. And as you can easily see, they are, well, actually totally different. The organization of the spaces is very different. The building system is very different. But a lot of other things are the same. And I will say the spirit, the readings, the text connected to the two plan is roughly the same. Maybe the local international zone plan is more defined about the needs and the use of international zone. But the spirit is really the same. But actually the shape, the footprint of the plan is very different. About the text I said, we have a lot of information in the master plan of Roger of international zone of 1868, in which he gives us readings about the sense of international zone, which you can read it directly, I think. But anyway, international zone gives the possibility to all country, assembled on the land of Aruel, to manifest the contribution, global evolution of humanity. It must not be developed as an architectural manifestation offering the nationalistic and competitive spirit. So it has nothing to do with an international exhibition we can found around the world is a completely different spirit. The master plan will offer to each country within the frame and the system space allocated freedom for expression of their own spirit and soul of the country. But it's not only there, only that. On another side, we saw that the facade will be an architectural simplicity using a common module for each continent or cluster. So as we saw, they are grouped together in continent cluster, in which the module of the system of international to be one, the same. Since more in the interior designer search, each country will be labeled to express its own character. So it's a continuous work in which we can see a system that is represented by the continent of the cluster and the single nation inside. Obviously the reputation of the area is done by continent or anyway by cluster of nations. Sometimes the continent are not so defined easily in even geography. I can jump. The role of international zone is to illustrate in a living concrete manner, how the principle of unity in diversity is to be applied in the worst scale at a level of various nation and cultures. So this is very important, unity in diversity. That means each nation is different from another, but they are united in a system of clustering. They are culturally united in a group of countries that actually are together even in an evolutionary way, they are together. And they have to manifest very differently their own spirit inside a unity, but is inside another unity, this is the whole international zone. The purpose of international zone is double to present the great creation and discoveries and in all domains that contribute into the evolution of human consciousness and to receive as we saw in the plan of 1968, to receive an appropriate facilities for researcher of all subjects who are carrying out the experimentation within CIRU, so the center of research of the human unity in Auroville. In connection with Auroville, the all the laboratory system of Auroville, so the experimental system of Auroville and its students. About all, to understand a little bit more and deeply, I analyzed with the help of Hannel, for example, and Natali also about the archives, Auroville archives, the Barathe, Barathe-Nivas competition done in 1972. This competition that actually is the competition that creates the actual Barathe-Nivas where physically you are in this moment, was done directly under the guide of Marvel. So we have also from there, a lot of input about what have to be done and what have not to be done in segmentation, a zone to represent the spirit of the country and of the continents. Barathe-Nivas obviously is about Indian continent or anyway, subcontinent, so a larger sense of the country, of India country is the Indian area. And we can see some texts in which I kept this information from this competition. We contain cultural pavilion representing all the great cultures and one identically and intellectually in ideas, theories, principle and languages, but also in custom art, in all forms, sports, diet, gardens and whatever. So is very inclusive this sense of the spirit of the country, the spirit of the nation, the spirit of the continent, very inclusive, everything, every cultural music from music to diet, to gardening, to forestation, everything. The representation must be also symbolic about the spirit of the nation, in this case India. And the architects and the people working to this competition have to get information from the past, from the historical buildings, but have to renew with India in a dynamic way. So to really have a dynamic expression of art of the buildings, and not something recalling directly to the past of the building. I think that time is very running, but our information about this renewing dynamics but is needed to be expressed inside of the nation as well and this competition for Barat needs. Also from this point of view, we can get some more information about what it was intended with this cluster, with this group of nation, with this continent, group together. And this information give us the feeling that is not just a collection of small country pavilions, but is something really more united and organized. Barat Nivas actually has no single pavilion for Karnataka, Fort Aminadu, or whatever nation in India is a group of buildings done and organized by common function that these nations need to express their own spirit and soul. So it's more a functional grouping around the area. So about this, we will come back to this concept soon with a direct example. This is Africa, this is Africa, in one of the steps of the evolution of the plan of Bruget for international zone. I got something like five, six different version of it. This is one of them. And you see is more marked with the national pavilions, all the same, but at the end, in 2008, I think, it came the plan done by an Addis Ababa professor in African professor for the African pavilion. And this is the plan done at the time. And this is the plan that the African pavilions and this is a plan that Roger included immediately inside the international zone plan, master plan. And this plan, for example, is completely different. It's not the nations are here, but all this area is a common ground in which we have library, auditorium, open art theater, area for food, hostelling and whatever is all together. Then we have the single nations and an amphitheater also here. So it's a completely different idea of plan. It's more near to Barak Nivas, expression than to the original expression then by Roger, for example. We have a lot of studies about the international zone done by a lot of architects. Some of them I hope they are presenting the same room I'm talking to. This is a work of element about the European area. So the European cluster and this is the center pavilion of the Europe in two different versions. This is just to the ground floor and the first floor. And this is another vision of the same area in which you can see anyway the water and the park coming in and out. And giving to this built the area with theater, restaurant that you can see here, hotel, exhibition area, language school, cinema, offices and whatever. So all the functions, musical group together and then around, we have a national audience. This is same study in, I mean, 3D manner from Elmut. We have another work of Elmut is always inside the international zone. This is unity pavilion. This is Savitri Bhavan. This is the ring room, sorry, crown room passing through. And this is the international plaza of the corner of this, the juncture of these two rooms. In our example, same feeling in the same idea is by Roger, for example. This is the central pavilion of Europe in the vision of Roger, so this area, this and all around the national expression. So the diversity and the unity, but the unity you can see is also in the shape of form and whatever. This is another study by Pino. And this is another study in the same exactly feeling by Pierre. Okay, I'm looking at the microphone. We started, sorry? 30 minutes left. Okay, we started a participatory planning process with the international zone coordination team as first and then with all the clusters and all the pavilions together. We decided to have a kind of organization in which a group of technical people, such as me as first, we were called the International Zone Tax Team. Then we will have, we had a group of elected architects, each one architect at least for each continent of countries or cluster, elected by the single cluster. So they have to represent them in their spirit and evolution. The work is done so by layering we can see a local architect and some international architect from each cluster have to group together with the people of a cluster living in Auroville and working in Auroville to give a shape to start to manifest in an architectural or in a planning way of the spirit they want to represent on the area. And then this local architect, international architect group with the international zone technical team have to discuss and find a way to keep all this project together. This spirit, this work started two years ago, two and a half years ago with the TDC of the time and after just a few months, we get stuck by COVID obviously. This spirit was very good. And I think that the results we got in just a few months were quite important. I think that about this, I have no slides about this because I'm not updated as far as about two years I am not in Auroville but on this Luigi is very updated. So Luigi can show you and can give you the last update of each cluster. Luigi as far as he's part of international zone coordination team. So it can give you all the information about the developing, the work some design is going on or was going on sometimes in the area. We gave to these architects everything obviously to work with the cluster people with international architects and whatever to get together something that could be a common result something that could be on the same layer on the same level for all of them. We started with a road analysis but it's very simple for international zone. The international zone is based on one single road that is called loop road. And you can see here, this is matrimanded this is visitor center, this is Baratipuran village just to give three information in terms of geography. So this is zero in this area where is zero the loop road come from zero towards the visitor center. And this has to be considered as a quiet road, cycle path, electric way, vehicle road and very silent one actually. This is what is said in both the master plans the master plan of Auroville and the master plan of Roger local. Then we have, well the argument of this period the crown road that is crossing straight the international zone this is our part of the crown and actually divide the international zone in America that is here in Oceania from the rest of the area but also unite the international zone to the rest of Auroville in terms of connection. And also is actually inside the master plan is that we can say the only road we have because let's see this is the called the ring road. The ring road actually is in this area do not exist at all. And even this radial that you can see here do not exist at all. It's completely absent. This because we have Kotakari here and Barati Puram here for example that are perfectly inside this road system. So this road can't exist because I have to destroy a good part of Barati Puram and this road is very difficult to realize because I have to destroy a good part inside Kotakari and also this part do not exist. So actually we have said that we have just the loop road as a project and the crown road as almost a reality but no other roads are in this possible plan are there this is the tar road between we can say at the end of this direction and Kotakari here and the highway up there. This is the tar road external to Auroville actually. So if we have to say that the loop road have to be silent pedestrian and I mean that means that we want the people coming and working inside the international zone the future international zone to fly because actually we have no roads. So my opinion, my studies give me the impression that we need a second road anyway that is more or less on the same way and the same path of Ring Road external Ring Road but is done for actually our purpose and we can see here the purpose listed on the screen. First of all, we have several farms in the area the biggest one are solided farm and the Yapadi farm but needed to have some vehicle or traffic every day to load and unload so lorry or tracks and whatever. Every kind of work need JCB tracks, buses and whatever but there is no space with no way to pass through in this moment. And in the future, if we do not build a secondary road we just have loop road but will not be very silent with JCB tracks and buses inside. This is a road, the same, we have just one road and all this is good reason. This is a very sketchy idea of a road we were thinking of and is as we say, this was the original plan for the Ring Road and we are partially following with several different possibilities, you see different variety of possibility because there are a variety of studies about this to reconnect to the village and we know that on the other side there is already a radial that is beyond the dark alley forest until the more or less here, the Kali temple and then there is a road going here to the village. So actually we can have a kind of connection anyway that keep this alive in some somehow or in this way or in the way. This road can serve all the international zone as a secondary road to help to develop and to leave the area in a proper way also to avoid that a lot of people from the village every single day pass through this way, every day it happens or this way or this way in this moment. Okay, so this is about road, about habitat quickly. The master plan of 1968 said that 3,000 people are to be involved in the pavilions and zero system inside the international zone. The latest master plan said about 600 residents in habitants. I think that they can be together without any problem the two specific because we need a lot of people actually working inside and helping to develop the international zone and they could be all of them temporary inhabitants. So long term, medium term, short term people that come from abroad for example or even from India or whatever to help and to study inside the international zone in terms of zero. Obviously I'm talking about an evolutionary plan I'm talking about a master plan is something that I have to keep in mind from here to the next five, 10, 20 years. So zero does not exist, but when it will be on the ground it will need a lot of space to host research and as per students, volunteers and whatever. The international zone itself to be built need a lot of volunteers coming from abroad. So all this people could be temporary residents of the area and this residence could be used and located to give a further shape to the area and some help to the area. For example, if you are talking about this road will be developed. We can put all these volunteers around the standard road while some residents could be space could be given more internally. Can you hear the bell? Yeah, I can hear. I'm really sorry because... I'm going to finish in a while. You remember that we were... In a while it means we have a coffee tonight and continue what it doesn't mean in Italian in a while. No, no, just five slides and I finish. Yeah, but Andrea, I'm really sorry because each slide is very, very interesting. You did excellent work of going down into the reality but remember we want to keep some time for a conversation for an exchange and we have only to what I'm informed only 15 minutes left, maybe now even 12 or something like this. Can you manage in three minutes to do the five slides? I will, I will. Good luck. Okay, this is a green and blue representation of the area. We studied it and we tried to make it a more green and blue master plan. So giving to this pathway, water pathway, something like water parks. And we did an example specifically about this area that is the visitor center area, to be understandable, in which we studied deeply the argument and the plan with this water system continues fluently going around from up to down. There is a pumping system, there is a water treatment plant, all together to give this, this shape in terms of appearance and in terms of usability. These are just suggestions to you to understand what we mean with a water park. We've also all the technology is not, but the technology is not involved. You can see here and then this is just the last slide but it's important to be understood. The three criticity of the area are just this, the connection and the relation with a village that is inside our will and the interference and the influence of a village in this area is very strong and have to be managed very carefully. The interference of the tar road, external tar road, we saw before, that is a general road, general porpoise road, everybody can go through it but also this is a permeable border that we have to manage. And the third one then last is the relation with this that is the line of force, the line of goodwill. But I know that Anupama, she is doing a fantastic work in terms of give a reality to this project, make it a more human scale. But anyway, we're talking about a series of building along something like 800 meters and we've 10,000 to 12,000 of inhabitants. So it's a huge thing, as if you think that all this area to 3,000 people working in only here there are 12,000 people living. So it's a border is a limit we have to take care in terms of development because of the pressure and the future pressure we will have from this side inside the intervention zone. This is, I think these slides are the same more expressed more in detail. So this is the end of the presentation. We give to all the teams also some more information that Luigi have and the TBC have to develop all the projects together and in autonomy but together with the community. Thank you. Thank you, Andrea. So we are now going to open for questions. Luigi, if you want to, Luigi? Yes, I am there. If you want to speak, please be on stage. Okay, but not much because we have only 10 minutes. Questions? People? So simply, very quickly, first I found this work of entering into the preparation for a DDP, which Andrea, can we say that maybe almost it's done or there is also 10, 20% to complete? I think it's a little more than 20%. 30%? Okay. Okay, but it has been a beautiful, beautiful exercise. Many of you have participated and really it has involved and it has been part of a weaving again because architect were there and so on and so on. What is important is to complete this work and we hope Andrea that either you come whenever you can or through any stream or way that we complete this for us is very, very important for the international zone and for our reveal to complete the DDP. Are you ready and do you think in the next three, six months you can complete that? I can work on that if there is a team in Orville working to this, to this project. Elsewhere, it's totally impossible. I will be back in Orville in July and August. This is from my side, it's already sure, but we need to have as we had in the past a concrete, a solid team of people, of technical people working on this weekly. I want to say it's not daily. It depends how much we are in rush to develop this, but a group of technical people such as the one we had with Elmuth, Omar, David, Ganesh, I'm just calling some names, but we were more than this. Yes, exactly. So if you have the right people around you and create the team, it can be completed in three to six months? You are very optimistic, but I mean, it needs time. It's a master plan, it's not a game on a paper. If you want to enter in detail on this, we probably need six months to have the complete work done if we work weekly or daily on this, and then other months to report it in a GDP manner that is more specific in terms of graphic and drawings, but the most important thing is to have a solid and very real master plan of the area as soon as possible. True. Okay, Andrea, all the best. Bye-bye and maybe some other question will be there. One question. Ciao. Ciao. Why do you want me to stay there? No, no, I said, is there anybody with, we have time for one question. Yes, to Andrea. Yes, I can hear someone, but I don't know who is. No question? Ah, okay. David, yeah. I don't know how quick an answer it is. You've given a great overview, I think, for Rajiv and his potential work on the DDP, but for the short term now, regarding the dream weaving on the crown itself, I'd be interested if you said a couple of words to how you see the crown itself in the international zone relating to the pavilions, because at the moment, obviously, we have Savitri Bhavan, we have the Unity Pavilion, we have the Language Lab, so those are existing structures. So is it clear what else of that nature is going on the crown itself as a link between the pavilions, which are obviously on the inside of the crown and the pavilions which are on the outside of the crown, et cetera, like how are we seeing the crown as an intermediary zone within that links the two parts of the international zone while simultaneously linking the residential zone and the industrial zone through the international zone? So these are kind of different linkages. Yeah, well, I try to answer you quickly. In the master plan of Auroville by Roger is clearly expressed that these two areas around the crown zone on the left and on the right, so internal or external as you want to see, have to be managed for functions that are very related with all over Auroville, not only local. While the other areas can be more managed in a local way in terms of the use of international zone itself. This means that the Language Lab is a perfect example, but also Unity Pavilion and why not Barak Nivas and Savitri Bhavan are already there. Other functions like this could be put in this area as a common function for all over the area. Also the system of the clustering, so the various pavilion can add access to this part with a, I mean, small building or a part of it in which they can collect their own relation with all over Auroville on this area. So it's more a very public area inside the international zone in which the international zone relates with all over Auroville and the external part of Auroville. So very specific function. As the one we have already in the area, we need more of that simply. Okay, yeah. Thank you very much for that presentation and I'm sure there probably will be some questions that arise so people feel free to send those in and pass them to David Omar and to us and then we'll forward them on for response to Andrea and Luigi. So thank you very much, Andrea and Luigi. Thanks to you. Thank you, thank you. Greetings from Auroville. You are in my heart. See you soon, I hope. Thank you. So before we close today's session, I just want to pass over to the dream weaving team for some closing comments. So first to Mona, I think, so just one or two minutes each. So just before I go, because I didn't get a comment, I get a chance, I just want to say that there's an archeological layer in the international zone, which should be, was not shown, so please include it. I think in some map it has been considered included. Yes, okay. But they definitely asked to be a... I just want to make some closing remark as part of the, I want to make some closing remarks as part of the dream weaving team that's going to go for, facilitate for the next six weeks. I, you know, all this information is a lot, a lot, a lot. I think it has become clear to us that we are not short of creativity. We are not short of technical inputs, of experts, of whatever, you know, studies, everything is there. And we're going to attempt to integrate all this in a manner that, you know, kind of manages to find a place somewhere where it doesn't just disappear. We hope so. But one thing I really got kind of struck me today after Lullid's presentation is I don't know how many of you remember that meeting in the amphitheater many years ago when Guy and Goopy said that the house is on fire. You remember that, Luigi? Maybe some of you others will remember. That was our waking call because that time it was the land of Orville that we suddenly woke up for. I shouldn't say suddenly, but we finally accepted that this is not going where we wanted to go. And that was how many years ago? 10 or, okay, more than that, yeah. All right, so whatever, it was many years ago. And yeah, whatever actions were taken were taken, but I want to, really, that long back, okay, 20 years ago. So today my feeling when I was sitting here and listening to all these conversations, I felt really this is another such moment. And I really feel this is a wake up call for us to come together. We don't have, like Lullid said, the luxury of holding our own perspectives anymore. And really, I feel like this is not the time when we can be divided over anything. You know, we're losing it. And so it's not just about dream weaving, yeah. This is serious, I think so. I mean, I knew it was, but after listening to these three days and sitting here consistently and understanding all the different aspects, it kind of just, you know, the coin kind of dropped that this is really not, this is not a joke, like, I mean, either we make it or we don't make it. Of course, we must have the faith. We are here for mother's vision and we cannot lose faith, but we have to do our bit, you know? And this may be the step in the right direction. So I really want to say, really, these divisions have to disappear. I know this is just a small group of people here, but I hope somebody told me there are 600 people on YouTube watching us. And I hope that a lot of them are Aurovillians and all of us hold very strong perspectives which are valid. I think all of them are valid. All of them are welcome, but we really have to find a way out of this conundrum. And I want to thank Dr. Jayanti Ravi that she's been sitting here all throughout and listening to all this. And I think she's been like a catalyst for us to wake up, you know? And I know there are many opinions, perspectives from what you can look at the last five weeks, six months, whatever you want to say, but there is a reason why everything happens the way it does. And what we said yesterday that the Kala, the time has to be right. And maybe this is the right time. So I think we do have a lot of responsibility on our shoulders. I think a lot of people are looking up to us, this dream-waving process to find a way forward. I'm not saying it's the last solution, but we have to give it a try again and kind of bring ourselves together, you know? I don't think that having more information, being more smart, having more technical inputs, being more integrative is not the answer. No, that's not where we are. The problem with us is that we are divided. And the moment we're divided, and it's divided internally, nobody else is pushing us. This is not outside of our will. This is inside of our will. And the moment one side, you know, the so-called divisions, they're so-called, yes, because eventually we are all united. We're all here for the same reason, you know? But this so-called division just doesn't allow us to progress because we get stuck, you know? And we actually keep on, how do you say, making these divisions deeper and deeper over the years. And now we don't have that luxury anymore. We just don't have it. You saw these presentations, that you saw what's happening in Kulapalam. You can't close your eyes. Idi and Chavdi, look wherever you want to do, you know? We can't say we want this and we want that and we don't want that or we want, no, we have to, if we have to find compromises, then yes, but we have to make this together. And I think this is my appeal and my hope and my aspiration that this process will start off something in this direction. Yeah, thank you. Omar and David, do you want to add anything? I know from David a yes from Omar. I think yes from David also. Yes, okay, hello everybody. Well, it has been quite three days, right? Yeah, so I go back again to what I tried to say, the message I tried to communicate in the opening session of this whole dream-waving exercise, which is the narrative. And I think we are doing it already. I mean that we are in control of our own narrative, all of this talk, we cannot collaborate, we cannot work together, we cannot, professionals cannot come together. I think we already started creating our own narrative that all of this is possible with good believe in ourselves and good organization for the amazing CEA team. And it's not true, we have been collaborating several times before. It happened many times before, that lead it to amazing results. We are just doing it one more time on the scale needed for today. I believe in very short time, maybe one and a half months, I'm very convinced we will come up with some fantastic results and this whole talk about us able or not able, I hope I would never hear again. That's it. And this is the whole aim of this process. I see through this three possibilities of three weaves, not one, I came thinking that this is weave of ideas coming from architects and that's one layer. But the second one that I see when you see all of these amazing analytical work coming from all of these experienced people who has given all of this work and even more important weave is the weave between all the multidisciplinary experts and how those multidisciplinary experts we invite by the way every one of them to the peer reviews. So they keep bringing all of this knowledge so it's not only ideas woven but also all of this heavy and rigorous analytical work coming to the ground. And then the third weave is the ecosystem and city, always for me culture and nature. The best built environment is when you have integration between culture and nature, a city and an ecosystem and I am very convinced it is very possible. And then the conflict becomes joyful exercise. It's not this or this. They can coexist and they can be in harmony and well we came to create a city and we ended up creating a very developed ecosystem. Does this mean we cancel the city project? No, does this mean we cancel the developed ecosystem? Also no. And then this has become the main task of the designer how to and the experts how these two culture and nature coexist together and when that happened only then it's a very interesting built environment. So this is the challenge, the big challenge and hopefully in one and a half months we will make this kind of a statement assuming that there will be peace in Orville for the next until it's done. Hopefully it will happen. I believe it will happen. Thank you. So I think David doesn't want to say anything. Okay, so just before we close, Luigi's asked to share 30 seconds. But before that I just wanted to say thank yous. David's not saying anything, he's happy not to. So I just wanted to say big thank yous to all the 21 different presenters we had. All the Dreamweavers, we hope you have enough information hopefully not too much information. Thank you to the Vesta Shilpa Foundation team and thanks to everybody else who gave their time to attend here either coming in person or online. Thank you to Orville Radio and Aurora's Eye for filming and Bumica Hall for hosting us and everybody also in the community who donated to help us with the funds for this. So the next steps for the Dreamweavers, David and Mona are going to be speaking to them outside. Thank you to the Cities and Assembly team. Yes, thanks to us, yes. Especially Sophie. And yes, thank you. So Dreamweavers will be meeting with David and Mona. There's tea outside afterwards and I think they just want to chat and we'll also be sharing all the reports or the slides. Everything we've got so far, we're still waiting for some from TDC I think, but everything will be shared when we get it. And for the public, we'll be keeping people posted very soon on how we'll get thoughts to feed into this process. We just need to have a bit of sleep before we work out how to do that and reach out. So just to Luigi and then we'll have a moment of silence and then we'll close outside with some tea. In continuation of the beautiful and very successful experience of the Dreamweaving, at the peace table, around the peace table, the peace building team, which has met three four time and will continue with very diverse people. We are exploring the exploration which we would like to discuss with you to have a retreat following this beautiful experience to go more in even one step further. You have touched the planning, development, environment, but can we touch a larger issue, the six issues which are in two.