 The main achievement of the Sahato years was to achieve considerable economic growth. So Indonesia when he came to power was a very poor agrarian society in which most people lived in villages. By the time he stepped down there was a significant growth of urban centres of a middle class and particularly of a manufacturing sector. That achievement though came at great cost in terms of human rights and restrictions on political freedoms and most of the other achievements that people point to, for example maintaining Indonesian unity, also came at great costs in my view. So it's a more negative sort of balanced book than a positive one. So since Sahato stepped down 15 years ago Indonesian politics have changed almost beyond recognition. Under Sahato you used to have a very tightly controlled political structure in which one political party was dominant and the army played a significant political role. Now we have a cacophonous, very heterogeneous political situation with a great variety of political parties competing for power, a great degree of decentralisation compared to the Sahato government which was highly centralised. We see a very vocal and active media landscape with a very critical press and also electronic media. So Indonesia has become a much more plural, a much more raucous place politically. What hasn't changed, well there are several things that haven't changed as well, some of the underlying structures and some of the underlying assumptions or beliefs in Indonesian politics just to give two examples. One is that Indonesia remains quite an unequal place politically. There's a high degree of economic inequality which was one of the inheritances of the Sahato regime which we've even got a bit worse since he stepped down so that although in political terms there's a great degree of political freedom often the people who are most able to benefit from that political freedom are those who acquired wealth and status during the Sahato years. One other area of continuity is the high degree of suspicion and hostility towards political actors who seek to achieve independence from Indonesia. So there's a great deal of hostility towards independence supporters in Papua for example. That is very much part of one of the legacies of the Sahato government. If you talk about Sahato's legacy you will have to start with the fact that he presided over one of the largest political massacres in human history. He came to power in 1965-66 amidst an unparalleled slaughter of Indonesian communists. More than 500,000 people died. Something a lot of people overlook because they focus on either his achievements as an economic manager or on his repressive apparatus that he put in place once he had established himself as the president of Indonesia and in fact he owed his coming to power to once again a massacre that is in the same category as the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or other massacres in world history. So that is the starting point for evaluating Sahato's legacy. At the time you do have a much freer, a much more open society. People are allowed to express their opinions. We have one of the most free presses in the Asian region. Associations are free to form, political parties are mushrooming. That you can have apparently while at the same time securing strong economic growth and that's something that nobody thought would be possible so quickly after Sahato's fall in 98.