 We're back with the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Now Chris came day one due its on standby. He joins us via Zoom this morning. He's a United Kingdom Abitrate. Or Chris is good to have you join us. Good morning. Good morning and happy Easter in advance and farewell. That's OK. I mean, just quickly, I was thinking about, you know, your designation and I thought to ask you what you make of what's happening in the United Kingdom, especially when the teachers are, you know, backing on the strike action come the 27th of April. I mean, there's a lot is going on in the UK. Yeah, it's the reality of what is on down there. It's not just the teachers. Don't forget that some some weeks back those in the ring and back on strike, the doctors were on strike, the nurses were also in strike and everybody's passing performance which is this time around because of the economic realities. And then don't forget that I think part of the problem that the decision by the UK to leave the EU that is that great as it is having a huge effect on the United Kingdom and trying to grapple with the effects of recession across the globe and everybody's asking for higher wage. And so don't be surprised. It's not only in Nigeria that people ask for higher wages and construct. Does this also help me? You can. So maybe you're like, all right, then let's let's start off with the punch now. The punches can send about the handover. I had handover. That's what the caption it. Boredly written military vows cracked down on security threats. One's iPop orders. Now. Nobody should threaten integrity of Nigeria or truncate democracy. That's what the Defense Headquarter is quoted to say on that one. Defense Headquarter and the Army Chief. APC asks Biden to disregard anti-tunable petition as protesters demonstrate in the United States. Politicians rooting for interim government, irresponsible and mischievous. That's what Buhari's media organization is saying. These are the writers you find underneath the board caption on the punch if you pick up a copy. Now, away from that, federal government approves one hundred and seventy three loan apps, bars, illegal online banks. OK, that's it. So more boring. I really don't know if these loan apps are making profits, you know, because it can be a lot. One killed scores injured as reverse APC, PDP supporters clash. And that's very unfortunate in our democracy. Twenty-first century of that. Divorce among young couples alarming, according to Shai, following the Ramadan celebration, absence of Lagos Bishop accused of raping Pastor Stahl's trial. Well, again, you find O'Hanei's a tunable song, or new orders, Mon Oji, Carlos, wife. Unfortunately, that story broke yesterday, which is what Carlos, wife was reportedly dead. May her so rest in peace. We move away from that and quickly check out the leadership newspaper. Tenth national leadership, opposition parties brace for tough fight with APC. Tenth national assembly leadership, opposition parties brace for tough fight with APC. We will go with party that shares our ideology. That's like a tongue twister there. We'll go with party that shares our ideology. That's what the NNPP is quoted to say. We're still monitoring development according to the Labour Party. It feels like it's not just going to be business as usual when you're just walking to the assembly and then you have just, you know, the ruling party and maybe one opposition party. Now, 2023 withness a lot of forces, you know, in terms of the thought force. Maybe, you know, that's the thought force, you know, the conversation prior to the election was about. And the PDP Alliance plot suffers setback as Wike Ibori, back who? North Central, Southwest Senators will be the decider. These also right as you find the APC crisis account for party funds. National Vice-Chairman tells Adamu account for party funds. That's it. It's very important. Then again, reverse PDP protesters at Aina Coffey's APC candidate escaped death. And so it's very unfortunate that we're still talking about all sort of violence, you know, in our elections, even post-election, then there's still violence. After, before the elections, during the elections, we recorded violence. You ask yourself what happened to the peace accord, you know, the peace pact that was signed. And just before we move away then, you find a suspensors, please seal Labour Party Secretariat in Imo. Ex-part for CIS Nigeria breaking epileptic power jinx. OK, let's see how that pans out. That's the much we can take on the leadership would quickly turn our attention to the Guardian. Fendi Ferry or Haneze are a while you to reject the entire government plot. But I mean, is it in the place of... So whether or not people are saying we reject it or we don't reject it, when you have the masterminds of this, go ahead to execute it without, you know, the relevant security agencies intervening, then it becomes a thing. So it's OK to make all of the statement, but we also need to back our statement with actions. I'm sure that these persons who are planning this don't leave in sky. They probably leave with us on Planet F and they're not spirit. And so we can identify them, ensure that they are pre-handed. A threat to national security. Ajayi, remain suspended, has no right to issue statement for Fendi Ferry, that's according to Adebanjo. Digbo, not part of any conspiracy plans to attend... I take that again. Digbo, not part of any conspiracy, plans to attend Tunibu's swearing-in. Decide presidential petition before May 29. Abakoba tells Shraib, you know, Narrative, State, Peaceful, March. Or Native, State, Peaceful, March, vows to resist move to truncate democratic rule. That's what you also find. And just before we move away from the Guardian, then worries over revenue, petrol, scarcity of buyers, Sean, Nigeria, oil, cargoes. That's the much we can take on the Guardian. Now quickly, we just have this one and then we have Chris K. DeWandu who would be sharing his thoughts on it. Daily Trust, Nigeria imports 300 billionaire palm oil in six years. Wow. Then you find gas supply from Malaysia. Was he not the same Malaysia that came to Nigeria to take our seedlings? You know, what's going on? India, China, and Cameroon get supply from Malaysia, India, China, I mean, palm oil that we are consuming were important. That's nothing to, it's not a very exciting headline this morning. A barrel of sauce for over $600, work vision needed to revamp the sector. That's what Espada quoted to say. Trump lands in New York, meets lawyers ahead of his arraignment today. Then again, Nigerian media owners launch complaints, Commission says initiative won't gag press. Jam apologizes, as for Yodupo's varsity flag for barring hijab wearing candidates. Now, I just logged struggling to find buyers for crude. Well, how long can we continue like this? We'll just let it at that then. Chris K. DeWandu, I know that you're itching to share your thoughts but let me let it open to you now. Which of these headlines interest you as I was going through the pages of National Dailies? Generally, the issue of people trying to truncate the handover date of May 29, 2012. Of course, we'll be of interest to anybody watching already this morning. And the DDSS issued a warning for us. Now the military is also issuing that warning and saying that they will not allow any individual or group of people to truncate. This one, you know, our government from 29 to 28, and that is a bright interview. And I said it over and over again. Anybody that had anything against the national results or the affection that was held, March and February this year had the opportunity of going to court to seek repress rather than taking to the balance means of truncating this democracy. Each and every one of us fought for and with God. And then I said it over and over again. In the secret agencies of the secret parties as we call them, DDSS, have names of those that are trying to truncate this handover. Why not name them or why not target them? It's not just coming to issue statements, repress, and that to me is just hitting quality. It's not the system sending fears down the spines of Algerians, not our clients. Once you see that, all you do is go into the investigation and then make it to the investigation and that sort of thing. And you get the people arrested and get them charged to court. And nobody's approach in law. Even the United States presently can say that I'm a president of the United States. And our Trump today is going to go to the courts. It has never happened in the history of the United States. So that is where democracy works. So anybody here here is putting a high piece or she is that goes against the laws of the land to face the music. That is a one point. Second, to me, most of these agitations should not be lived in the court. If INEC has also done what they have done, I've said it and written about it, so hold on to me. This is what we had in February and March, just one of the flawed deletion way of us princess 1999, not in terms of voting. The answer is that when it came, the problem is presidential election where INEC would not follow his own rules to the letter. And that in itself brought a lot of suspicion. It doesn't want to be supposed to be transmission of resources that is here in real time. And those results came out. There wouldn't have been any agitation. There wouldn't have been. If you look across the state, yes, some people are still saying they are going to court to provide the result of the governorship election. But you will not see that level of agitation because everything was practically done transparent. But in the presidential election, it wasn't like that. And that is why this level of suspicion is coming up and a lot of people are threatening and crest up. So transparency was key. I make great ideas during the presidential election. International Assembly was practically free. And that was why it doesn't have that agitation. So as I said earlier on, anybody who's agreed with the results should rather take the rightful way of going to court rather than digging in self-help and arrest. Nobody is going to truncate this democracy. And every one of us are saying no to interim government. I don't even know where that is coming from because it's not even our law. So where are you going to get the, where are you going to impose an interim government? It's not possible. I mean, if you look at, so for me now, the question is all of the statements that we have, very beautiful statements and comments coming from the defense headquarters, you know, you have the army chief and the different regional groups saying, hey, we're not in support. We're not part of this. Does it even really translate into anything tangible? Because I mean, this is a threat. And I'm sure that those who are, if this were to be a developed climb, not necessarily say we're not developing but we're going to be a different climb then, I'm sure that it would have been handled differently. If you say that we have names or we know those who are planning to install an interim government, that's a threat to our democracy. How come they have not been apprehended? How come these persons have not been invited for questioning or anything, you know, just to being controlled? So I really don't know how far all of these comments and statements will go for us paraventure that becomes a thing. So because it's okay for us to say, it's not recognized, it's not democratic. But hey, if you have these persons who are planning, what they are planning. And then on the other hand, you have an intelligence unit saying, we have identified them. We know these persons, but then we're just telling you that we know these persons. Also on the other hand, is it also still possible? Because I've asked this question over time to have an interim government installed without, you know, the consent. Can it be installed by you and I or any other person? Apart from, you know, the ruling government, those who are in power, especially if you make reference to what happened, you know, during the 1993 election and all that had transpired. Well, as I said earlier on, the security agency's issue in the statement, I said that, why is it that they're not arrested? You know, that they're being on those that they know that it's always the issue of security being brought in. If you have any time deputation that people are trying to test into is to get them arrested and get them charged to court, but I give it to the secretaries. They have more security reports than you and I have. They have substance identities that is still viewed up to some level of status if an important issue, statement without backing it up, are we sure that they're not arrested? It's also possible that they must have arrested some people that we are not aware, but this democracy cannot be truncated. On the issue of the interior government, I told you, the 1999 constitution has amended, there is no provision in the 1999 constitution for an interior government. So it is not even present. Anything that tries to do that is more like what we call a coup d'etat, sort of civilian coup d'etat or the military coup d'etat, which is not in our books. We've gone far beyond that. Let us do everything we can to make sure that the report is done and there are people who should go to the court to see if we're correct. Then the other leg up we're talking about is the issue of our judiciary. It's because the people don't have the trust and the judiciary. That is why most of the time they go to extrajudicial means to be able to get to what they want, because most often they're not able to realize that they get to the courts and they don't get justice. Just the system seems to be in an interior, it seems to be, it goes to the highest bidder. And for that, that leaves some level of trust on the part of the way. You say, if people not take advantage of that, that to regain elections and tell you to go to court, if you agree, that is not the way to go. And that is why I said, I need to go to court itself. Some of these lapses that they try to put in place that makes our election not as transparent. Just yesterday, I was at an election in Finland and the government of the people lost before the president or the prime minister of Finland came to that election. She was seeking the election. She's the youngest president in the world. I think she's 36. She lost the election, her party came to that and she's considered and moved on. But in this country, it's always, you do or die if you want to win by all this, whether you are popular or not popular, people just want to have their vote. So, but let us make sure that Donald Trump gets his system and secretaries should get their vote. But let them not use it as a way of which hunting opponents of the government or who they have perceived as enemies of the government. He must be genuinely investigated and those involved arrested. That is my point. Well, Chris, I'd like to show your thoughts on one of the stories on the front page of the Daily Trust newspaper. It talks about Nigerian porting over 300 billion-hour worth of palm oil in six years. How does that make you feel at a time where we know that, you know, palm oil contributed to at least 65 to 70% of the country's total revenue, you know, before we actually discovered crude oil? It's saddening, Miss, it's saddening to me. My place, it's one of our major products from my village. It's palm oil. Miss, I can tell you for free that I know how to prepare palm oil. I grew up in the village. Yes, yes, I know how to prepare palm oil. Right from how to cut it off the fruit, bring it down, cut it into this thing, cook it, pound it, and turn it into palm oil. So it used to be a very lucrative business. In fact, it got a point that another version came out which we called agricultural palm oil, you know, because there's some kind of mechanism that was used. So you see the smaller trees, instead of you climbing the tree, you see the smaller ones, what we call agri-palmed palm fruit, where you just stand and you just cut last to just bring down the tree. So, but it's quite unfortunate because as we rightly said in your opening, we used to be the largest producers of palm oil and Malaysians came here in the sixties and took some of our palm founts from here and then took it to Malaysia where they started good. And now let's let me even shock you. Do you know they now produce gari in China? Gari, this gari that they are based on is where you see package gari coming from. Yes, yes, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sure you've heard of that. Our own gari, gari, gari, gari, gari. In fact, let me really take it further. Our own abak leke rice itself, it's big package or padda rice, it's big package I brought to Nigeria. So that is the level of truth. And that is why we said the government should diversify the economy. Depending, you see, I think it's also dangerous when we are looking for countries to buy our food for you. Now, thank you. It's in the front page of the daily trust. We are begging people to buy our food. Nobody is buying, they are shifting based. And we are supposed to be taking advantage of the whole situation in between Ukraine and Russia because the prices of food is going up. But we are not getting that. We've channeled all our airports into the, now we are celebrating finding oil, another oil in Nassarawa, in Bauchi and the rest of them. Is that our solution to our problem? That is not the solution. The solution is diversify the economy. And make sure that we give so much into agriculture and even information technology. There are so many countries of the world that are making so much money from information technology. That is why most of our children are studying computer science, information technology and the name it, that is the highest level of economic system across the globe. We are not even looking at that. If you go to computer village and see what most of our people are doing there and the kind of technology know how that they are turning out to be shot. Look at across the globe, very scenic areas, making their marks in the area of information technology. We are not up into that. Those are raw areas that we can make money. But everybody's oil, oil, oil, that is the state governments, every moat they put up, they have to collect cement instead of finding way of the blue. If you know the level of mineral resources that is in every state, good, a zinc, name it. But there are, on this one thing, everybody, that is why some of us continue to pray that let this oil dry or it's become a cost to us. Because what is the essence of having crude oil that you continue to drink crude oil, sell it abroad, sell it. Now import fuel, now they are talking of removing subsidies on fuel. And before you know it, by May, June, we are looking at buying a liter of fuel at almost 500 Naira. A country that produces crude oil now buying petroleum from other countries. The only country in the world that does that, that is oil producing country. That is how bad it is. And that is what we're saying that this kind of leader that will be letting, since I don't know since when, they have failed us. Why other countries are moving off by just moving back? And it's just- But Chris, I mean, I'm thinking out now to you. And I'm wondering why it's like a mission impossible for us to understand. What exactly are we dealing with now? Because if at the time, you have also alluded to the fact that yes, the oil sector was at the time booming and then we were topping the charts, we also knew that it contributed. Now, economic aspects have also said that this is also an alternative to crude oil, especially where people are shifting grounds. You have countries of the world shifting grounds. The world is moving away from the use of fossil fuel and oil consumption. Now we no longer have bias to patronize us. And if we don't, what it would mean is that we're just likely going to crash the prices. So we might just be selling for just as less as whatever. It is just because we're in need of those who would want to buy and patronize. So what are we dealing with? Is it that the government does not understand or they don't have the capacity to diversify? What are we looking at now? What exactly is the challenge? Why is it that we have refused to look at these areas? This particular sector has been abandoned It's so unfortunate that up until now, we once upon a time, Malaysia used to come to us to get seedlings. Now we're importing oil from them, palm oil to be precise, for our own consumption as a nation. Yeah, let's say on Fridays, we cannot scratch our price of oil. Oil is not possible. You know why we're a member of OPEC? And being a member of OPEC, there is a price tag on every barrel of crude oil that is being produced. So you cannot go beyond that. So we don't even have an option. That is one. Two, at a point we're not even meeting up our quota, production quota. You remember what happened a few months ago? We couldn't even, the quota that was given to us by OPEC, we couldn't meet it. We couldn't meet it. I think it's not a discharge showering up because of the activities of Tampolo and press flights, policing, our pipeline. So our aerobatics, everything goes down to on TSEB-LADBRSHIP. That is our problem. We have all the potentials. We have all the right people to do the job. The fact is that we are putting people who knows next to nothing about governance at the top of the, and that is what we've been trying now, get the right people to do the job. I'm sure that you will get this solved. Our problem is not everything. Our problem is leadership. It's those to lead. We have a very selfish leader. Who only think about themselves. You only think they promise you, oh, I will fix the road. I will provide healthcare. Those are the basic needs of Nigeria. They promise you that you will put a condition on all the streets on your street to get them elected. Immediately elected, they go back and they go back into their selfishness, embezzling our funds and enriching their families and their chronists. And that is it. Nobody has a vision to be able to look beyond what they are. And look at the global market and see where we can fit it and how we can be able to do it. And see we have people that can do it, but unfortunately that they cannot get to that position because it is more like, what we call it now, like a gank that is able to, it's like I'm not able to corner the whole thing. You cannot penetrate. If you try, let's say, let's just try to be a counselor you look at and see what you find out, what you see. You cannot even afford to collect people. And if you collect the form, they will not let you see the light of day. That is what's happened. Then you can take it up to the state level, to the federal level and the rest of it. So we have a situation where we are having our third level, you know what we talk about people here. Every football match, you must use your first level. While others are using their first level, you are using the second team. Guys, know where you're coming. My U is going to play Liverpool and I'm going to use the second team. When they can, they have first thing, I'm not going to mark them. You saw what's happened between Manchester and Liverpool. Let's leave it. You guys, I want to rock the team. Chris, we have to go at this point in time. Thank you so much. Now that you're calling Liverpool at my U, I mean, where do you want us to start from? Thank you so much, Chris K. DeWard. It's always a delight to have you on. I pray that it's us. Yes, please. I pray that it's us, God, that you give what they cannot do, that you take the country to do the best they can. Have a good day ahead. All right, thank you so much, Chris K. DeWard. Do you, for your insights on the papers this morning, making sense of all of the big stories? That's the size of it. We'll definitely return tomorrow. More interesting headlines. But in the meantime, we'll take a quick break. When we return, we'll be looking at the security issues that have seemed to be on the high. Some people say that it probably feels like the spin of, you know, a return of insecurity to the country shortly after the elections. Please still with us, we'll be right back.