 Over here it's you know culture we have already faced the major issues that we face over here our culture issues because women entrepreneurs are not really accepted in our culture they have to work triple harder than men do because we have culture norms we cannot go out of certain limitations we need to work in those certain limitations and to outcome that we need to we have we do face a lot of cultural stuff even in our immediate family one one of them will support you the rest won't they think you've lost your mind and you really want to go between all these men but yes it's it's amazing because now when you the ratio of women entrepreneur is increasing which means they are coming out of their comfort zone they are keeping their within their cultural limitations they are trying to grow they and they are actually competing with the cultural restrictions that they have to face over here in our country I think internationally it's not an issue but over here it is it's a very major issue and and I think it's very interesting because you'll see especially the reason that I come from the Pushtun region when you if you it's it's a conservative region and if you see women coming out working and doing such creative work that you by not even think about you're amazed at their creative creativity so they are kind of fighting with it but international collaboration and competition I mean I think over here women are there they're competing with the culture women entrepreneurs over here are competing with their culture with their cultural norms that's that's what it is like in here in Pakistan that's very interesting here in terms of competition versus collaboration there are some sort of slang terms that have come about based on movies and over here the popular term is mean girls and so what happens is we'll see corporate mean girls and it's very discouraging to women who are trying to be successful get ahead get advice and they encounter somebody that they feel is against them there's also another saying called taking the ladder with you meaning somebody has achieved a high level and instead of saying here come up with me they take the ladder they're not helpful they say fend for yourself okay so this is a very popular discussion and I don't think that there's a right answer in terms of is that if is that legitimate that feeling of collaboration or that feeling of competition