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Moderators, thank you so much for joining. Thank you for holding it down in the chat. Definitely appreciate that. Facebook family, welcome. And thank you as well. I know this is a Saturday evening and I'm looking forward to my guest here tonight. He is in the green room, Pastor DeVarage Robinson from Miami, Florida. He will be joining us momentarily and will be discussing his book, How Still Is He Within? If you don't have the copy of that book, I will encourage you to get it. I think you will be blessed. As a matter of fact, I know you will be blessed once you get your hands on a copy of it. And I couldn't hardly put it down. It is definitely a page turner. It is a page turner. And it is books like that that keeps you thinking and challenges you as well. And so I'm looking forward to having a conversation with Pastor Robinson as well. And again, I know you will be blessed as well too. So again, welcome those of you who are joining. David, good to see you. XX20, good to see you. 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Pastor Tavares Robinson is founder and senior pastor of Sound the Trumpet Ministries in Miami, located in Miami, Florida, where he has served for 19 years. He also serves as the founder of Watchmen Publishing and the Watchmen Podcast. The Lord has graced Robinson with a bold prophetic voice that turns people's hearts back to God. He is the author of four previous books, Hirelings and Dictators, How to Recognize the Difference. Now in his second edition, The Utopia of a Strange Love, When the Love of God is Mishandled. Warnings from the Garden, Uncovering the Wiles of Deception and the Process of Transition. Reforming the Heart for Growth. Those are the four books there. And he is also while each book... Robinson's books has its own specific roots, or specific focus. Each provides, rather, believers with the necessary tools to identify truth and to discern authentic from spiritually unhealthy leadership. Pastor Robinson currently lives with his family in South Florida. And so without any further ado, I introduce to you pastor Tavares Robinson. Brother, thank you so much for joining. Thank you, man, for being here. It's good to be with you. Thanks for having me, man. Oh, man, it's a blessing, bro. It's a blessing. I just wanted to... I had to get you on. And I know that when I had saw your book, I remember telling you, I said, bro, I got to get you on. We got to come up. We got to talk about this book and other things that you've been doing. And so let's go ahead and just get right into it before we jump into the book, rather. Let's people know a little bit about yourself, man. Who you are. Do you give a little introduction of your information in your book? But let people know a little bit about yourself, watch yourself, your family and what you do, bro. Well, I appreciate it. I'm originally, I'm a Texan. Oh, go ahead. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was born and raised in Fort Worth, Texas. Okay. We moved in the early 2000s. We moved to Miami. In 2004, we started to work here. My wife and I in 2004. And so, yeah, I've been pioneering this work since nine for 19 years. Yeah, we left Texas and came to Miami with pretty much $500 in the work from God. And by God's grace, we still been plowing and tilling the ground. And I continued to have the traveling ministry, but over the last couple of years, I've been really focused on building a local church. I believe the local church needs a lot of help in the times that we're living in. And so our focus has really been trying to strengthen the local church here in Miami. And of course, we also started Watchmen Publishing as a way to be able to publish my books pretty much without other publishing companies taking my money. We started a publishing company where I can publish on my own books. And so we've been trying to do our labor, man, in the vineyard. Oh, man. All right. That's good, brother. Hey, man, I appreciate it. And thank you again for joining because we like to support ministries and others who are, you know, holding it down for the kingdom of God. And so it's definitely a blessing to be connected and team up with other like-minded believers as well, such as yourself. So let me just ask you some questions, man. How do we connect? So for those who may not know, because this is the first time people have ever seen you, this is the first time we've talked face to face, but we've talked over the phone. But tell the audience, I guess, a little bit, man, how do we connect? What drew you to my ministry, to my channel and to where we are today? Well, I guess several years ago, someone I knew, because I used to preach in Detroit like six times a year. And somebody was telling me, you kind of remind me of this guy who's on YouTube. He's originally from Detroit, but he lives in Texas. And so, I mean, I'm not on social media like that. So I didn't know who they was referring to. And so she sent me a couple of links because she lives in Detroit. And I think I heard a couple of links. And I think after that, I got busy with other things. And I think I was doing something one day and I saw something about the MacArthur situation. Knowing that our church, that we're not really reformed, I just struggled a little bit with the idea of a lot of ministries on YouTube or social media that call themselves discernment ministries or apologetic ministries. I had a problem with their focus on the other side of the fence. And that bothered me about if your eyes, if you're a watchman, but your eyes are on one side of the fence, you're really a blind watchman. And I was struggling with that. I know there's some differences in our theology for Dr. McGriffin, but there's some commonality there too that we should have as believers in Christ. And I struggle with the blindness when it comes to some of the reform. And when I heard you speaking against it, I was like, oh, wow, this brother is part of the reform and he's cutting against the grain. And it was something that you were saying, man, it really burned witness to my heart that finally someone on that side speaking out against that, because the Bennyhands and TDJs, they're pretty easy. And for you to do that, I was encouraged. And so I believe God was putting some of my heart to really email you and to really encourage you and your wife and to bless you, but I was trying to put it off. And I was saying, God, you giving me words for this reform, brother? I don't know if you're gonna receive this. I kept putting it off. I couldn't take it though, so it was real late at night and I started your email, man, and really told you what I feel like God was putting on my heart. And God was sending me down the words, but financially to support you and your wife. And that's how I kind of started. Wow. And again, what he said, it resonated because I didn't even know this brother. I didn't even know him, for those of you just joining. I'm here with Pastor Tavares Robinson. He is the pastor in Miami, Florida. And before we even get into the book, we just was talking about how the Lord providentially and sovereignly connected us and allow our paths to intersect. And, you know, when I got that email, man, I was shocked. I ain't gonna lie. I was surprised. I was shocked. And again, it shows you, it's a small world when God is doing the connect and when he's the one that's setting things up in motion. And so it was definitely unmistakable, man. And in public, I just want to say thank you, brother, for your support, for the words of encouragement. And I'll say this as well. A lot of the people that have stood with me, mainly to be honest with you, I'm just gonna be real with you. A lot of people have been standing with me, especially these past couple of years. It had been people on the quote unquote on the other side of the aisle. You feel me? It's been those that we would say their doctrine has done all that sound, but then at the end of the day, like you said, we have a lot of commonality and a lot of things that we hold that are dear. And even when I was reading your book, I said, okay, I see what he's saying on that. I mean, we could probably have a conversation about that. But that's how the body of Christ grows. You know what I'm saying? To where you have a position, I have a position, we may differ on some things, but at the end of the day, what do we do with Jesus? What do we do with the cross? What do we do with the blood that was shared for those that he had died for, that he had given his life for? You know what I'm saying? How do we see our fellow image bearers and most importantly, our brothers and sisters in Christ? You see what I'm saying? So, you know, you reaching out to me and giving us that word of encouragement and just supporting us and even tangibly supporting us, bro, that really spoke volumes and it really was an encouragement to me to keep doing what I've been doing and also it really showed me that I'm not by myself. Because the God always, for some reason, you probably can attest to this too, bro. When we think that we're out here by ourselves because we're just swinging a sword or we're just out here trying to, you know, sound the alarm or trying to, you know, do what God has called us to do, it can get lonely. It can get sometimes like, Lord, what is going on? And he always, God's grace, bro, he has always faithfully, consistently either brought something in my life or somebody shot me an email or somebody was asking a question about a topic. Have I ever discussed this topic before? And I was talking about shutting my sermon audio page down where I have all my sermons there when I was pastoring and I was just going to shut it down and the Lord was like, no, no, keep it up and it was through the wisdom of my wife and others and stuff. And it just showed me through his providence, man, how God has a remnant. He has a remnant of people that are hungry for his word. You know, it's not many, but those that are hungry for his word, those are the ones that are seeking, I'll say this, that are seeking ministers like ours. You know what I'm saying? Because this is a bro, I heard your sermon, bro. If people have to guess what you mean, nah, bro, you don't have to guess. You wanted them straight shooters and that's the kind of preaching and teaching that I like, man. So I appreciate that. But what made you write, you know, hostility within? What was the impetus and what precipitated that man for you to... I mean, this is your fifth book now? Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So what caused you to write this one, man? Tell us how that started. Well, actually, you know, it started off with a series that during the hostage in 2020, well, 2020, and it was just chaos, right? It was just chaos, lockdowns. Yeah. It was just chaos. Yeah. And I was really trying to find, really seek God concerning how can I help the church that I passed through, navigate through this period. So many opinions. This was great. The deaths, people had, loved ones dying, it was just crazy. Yeah. And so I was reading one day in Second Chronicles, I read it before, but it began to leap out at the pages. You know how it is when you're researching for so long. Yes, sir. And I started to see these characters in Second Chronicles. And I started to teach it and it just took on a life of itself. Yeah. And then of course, I really, you know, some people like Pastor, I think you need to put this as a book. And I sat on it for a little bit and then God started giving me more to add to what I preached. Come on. And it was really the hostility that was within the believers heart and within the church. Okay. And it was so much betrayal. Yeah. 2020 brought in betrayal and broken friendships like never before. Talk, bro. Talk, bro. And it was the enemy really having his way among believers. Come on. And I was trying to find so many different opinions. And so the story in Second Chronicles 19, fit the narrative about eight characters that we really break out the personality traits. Yes, sir. And we really, and I really wanted to really bring clarity to a lying spirit that has been released in America that's even show up through preaching, show up through hypocrisy, shows up in partiality. And some of this was ruined and causing offense and a relationship. So I really, and they put the church and the local church in a fragmented position where many people started to don't even trust the local church anymore. People was running to, especially our black brothers and sisters. It was all about ancestry. It was all about Christianity is the white man's religion. And so it was a whole bunch of chaos. Come on. And I really want to bring some clarity to what was really going on, man. And so that was kind of my motive because I really tried to get the people who left the local church and don't trust the local church to go back to their former profession with the local church. You go in love with it. Yes. Also pastors who was turned off because all the politics and pastors being kicked out of the churches because they didn't support certain movements in the black communities. And so I really want to bring us back to a biblical perspective. It's a held up. If this was a test run, we in trouble in two more years because the church is already fragmented. And so I really try to bring some healing before 2024 comes. Man. And bro, I got to say, bro, you brought it. I got some chapters queued up. I mean, you wrote it, but I want to recite some joints on here, bro. Because I want to wet the beak a little bit for my listeners and these viewers because I want them to get their hands on this book. Again, for those who are just joining, I'm having a conversation with Pastor Tavares Robinson. He's offered the book, Hostility Within. Get the book. You can go on any digital outlet and you can get it through Amazon. You can go through Kendall. If he has his website, you can get through his website. If he has it through there as well too. And I'll let you put your information up there too, Doc, whenever you get a chance. But I want to read... And let me tell y'all, you know how some books you can read and you just skip the introduction? This ain't one of these books, y'all. No, sir. No, ma'am. This ain't one of them books. You don't listen. Do not skip the intro. Matter of fact, chapter one is the introduction and the introduction off the rip is fire. So let me give you all a sample of what I'm talking about because I want you all to see and to read a little segment and a little portion of the book. So let me switch my screen for a second and let me do this. And let me go over here. What is it at? Here we go. Here we go. Stop playing. There we go. All right. Brother, can you see it on your end? Do you have another device? If not, I'm going to read it as well. Can you see it? I got another device. Okay, cool. All right, but my viewers, they can see it as well. So this is in chapter one. I'm going to read it. You say, quote, you say, we live in a fragile fractured church environment where hard words are construed as unloving and not graceful. The command to speak the truth and love, quote, unquote, has been supplanted with the belief that we should not say anything that might be considered offensive. We have become so easily triggered that we are conditioned to accept any message that seems pleasant. When the serpent deceived even the Garden of Eden, it was not how he said what he said that moved her into disobedience, but it was what he said. We need to place as much importance on what is said instead of basing our decision to receive a message on how it is said. Bro, let me tell you something, doc. The only thing I'm going to say to you on that one, if I were the editor, I would have had that how in caps and italicized, bro. Because listen, doc. That's exactly where we are today, man. That is exactly where we are today. And when I read that, I said, bro, he's speaking to me. Because I know for a fact, bro, that maybe you as well, how many times have people either had issue with how you said something, but you didn't sin about what you said. You weren't attacking anybody. You were just speaking the truth. How it was delivered. You wanted to speak on that? I get that often. I get that often. And sometimes people can confuse anger with passion. And it's not really, but when something is said that's contrary to your desires, it doesn't matter how you say it. Come on, bro. So this is why I wrote that we're in this culture that Satan has really crafted this type of culture that speaks the truth and love is really a sin. Come on, bro. Because how do you define it? Because speaking the truth and love is really saying to people what they really want to hear. That's it. So it's not love if it's biblical, but you said it with passion. They call it anger. They call it unloving. But I guarantee if John the Baptist was here today, nobody would think he was loving. Come on, bro. So sometimes we confuse the message with the messenger's heart. Yes, sir. And if you really get to know a person, you realize their heart totally different from what their message is. But we're in that culture, bro. It doesn't matter how you say it. If it's going against the flow, if it's contrary to their expectations, if you're touching any type of God in their lives, there will be a response. And the response would be it's Spiritual War 4101. If you don't like the message, attack the messenger. That's it. Right? Discredit the messenger. And you can make the message seem like it's not credible. That's it. And so that's all Satan is really doing. He's really trying to dismantle or undermine the message by dismantling, discrediting the messenger. And so when we really delight to have truth, speak however you want to speak it to me. As long as it's truth. Come on, bro. And I know that you love me. Because if you see me heading off the cliff and you whisper and don't shout my name. Come on, bro. You don't love me. If I'm in trouble, it doesn't matter if you love me. I know urgency creates passion. Yes, sir. It creates a tone of voice. But bro, we're in an age that man. You are good if you just speak to people's desires. Bro, are you hitting it down? Listen, for those of y'all that's joining the name of the book, somebody say, I want that book. Let me tell you what the title of the book is right now. It's called Hostility Within. The pastor, his name is Tavares Robinson. Get the book. Cop that book. We haven't even... Listen, that's just chapter one, y'all. That's just chapter one. I haven't even finished reading the rest of the segments that I wanted to share with y'all. I can't give you all the 16 of the chapters yet. You got to go in and read it yourself, but I'm just giving y'all some highlights. And bro, if I had a paintbrush, I would have painted the whole book. I would have painted the whole book yellow dot. It's straight heat. But you also said this. I'm going to read this portion also. It's in the same chapter, chapter one. You said... Here we go. You said... Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Let me go back. Let me go back. You said the church needs to be examined and freshly equipped to face a new time of diabolical division. Fascism, racial hate, lies, deception, and broken relationships. It is God's will that the church is strengthened to stand in the midst of these flash floods or falsehoods, these evil times. Ephesians 6, 13. We cannot resist... Here it is, y'all. We cannot resist what we cannot discern. And we cannot accurately discern what we cannot discern. We cannot accurately discern what we must resist unless... Here it is, unless our minds have been recalibrated to the ways of the... Okay, bro. Come on. Talk to us, guys. Talk to us. Unpack it. Go ahead. Come on. Come on, bro. Yeah. I believe, like, you know, the days are coming, the years are coming that we have to be built to handle betrayal and change in a new way. And I'll tell you this. If you cannot handle rejection, God is not using you in the last days. Come on, man. You gotta be able to be able to handle rejection without the heart being offended to be effective in the kingdom in the last days. Come on. And so the church has to be equipped how to handle rejection. Many people ask me in the church, like, Pastor, how do you overcome rejection? You know, I'll tell you, rejection is not one of those scenes like God can deliver you from lust and that lust come off you or free you from this type of particular activity you had and you free. Rejection, you can get free from it until it happened to you. Come on. So you cannot overcome rejection unless you've been rejected. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Whereas your heart posture after you have experienced rejection. Yeah, yeah. And so we have to be equipped to be able to handle being offended doing the Lord's work loving the way Christ is supposed to love without being offended. It's a hard task which is why God is allowing a lot of impromptu believers to experience this rejection not from enemies. Come on, man. It's a rejection from people that you're friends. Jesus. Because this is going to be how he prepares you, right? To prepare Jeremiah to be the prophet for the kings, he had to experience the rejection from his family and God was telling him if your family is causing you to be weary, you're not ready for these horsemen. You're not ready for what I'm taking you. That's it. That's it. For the last couple of years, a lot of God's people have been in hard training, painful training through betrayal, through rejection, through people that you never thought will cross you. It's necessary for the development. And many leaders have become so offended that they walked away. But there's many people that are digging in and I really wanted to write this book to say, hey, those who are digging in, here's your healing, here's the peel, because God needs you in the game. He don't need you on the sideline, he needs you in the game because times are more evil. So we need these Bible believers who understand the word of God is the parameter and the lens of which we view life. We need biblical believers who think biblically to be in the game and not quit because it got hard. Come on. You can't be tapping out, bro. No tap outs. No tap outs, bro. Can't do it, bro. Listen, time out for the tap outs. Time out for the tap outs. You got to stay in it, bro. Proverbs says, if you're feigning a day of adversity, your strength is small. You know what I'm saying? And this is why we need each other. And by the way, brothers and sisters, this conversation is not scripted. This is the only thing my brother had asked me yesterday. He said, man, what do you want to talk about? I said, we're going to talk about whatever you want to talk about. I said, we're going to keep it organic, we're going to keep it real. There ain't going to be no fillers, nothing like that. However, we get it in, we're going to get it in. So there's no script. All I told his brother was I wanted to talk about his book and we're going to let the Spirit of God do his work and let it flow from there. So again, those who just joined and this is Pastor DeVar as Robertson the name of the book, the title of the book is called Hostility within. Hostility within. You need to cop that book, get your copy. You will not be disappointed. So that was chapter one, bro. That was chapter one. I'm going to go ahead and slide over to chapter two. Chapter two. You were talking about and I'll go ahead and share the screen. Chapter two was dealing with the foundations of prophecy. Now, lovingly, we may have a little difference on this, I think, a little bit, bro, but I hold to the to the fourth telling of the office of a prophet or a preacher and we may even have a little difference on that, but I got the gist. I did get the gist and the spirit behind what you were saying because when I was reading chapter two, I said, okay, I mean, my theological grid, modern day prophet now, but the prophetic office of the fourth telling of the message and challenging and rebuking and all of that. I still believe that that is still continuing and it happens in our purpose today, but I want to give you the opportunity, brother, to unpack it a little bit because, again, what you said in chapter two, bro, it was definitely on point. I want to just read some highlights here. So let me go ahead and share the screen again for you. But you said a prophet stands between the mercy and the judgment of God. You said a prophet stand between the mercy and the judgment of God. You said in many cases, mercy is forfeited without the coming of prophets. We desperately need prophets, but as in previous generations, we do not welcome them. Prophets are not well received because they usually bring a hard word to callous hearts. Jeremiah 725 to 27. You said they have to say rather what is difficult for people to spiritually digest and do so in a climate where people have appetite for sweet nothings from popular preachers who tell them what they want to hear. When God's people fail to embrace and humbly submit to the truthfulness of his word and instead give themselves to fetish and duplicitous rhetoric, the culture around them starts to decay. When our pulpit no longer echo God's authentic prophetic word but become springboards for political pandering and cliches, Satan will choose diabolical polarization as his tool. When the voice of God is silenced during times of panic, up-evil, confusion, and skepticism, Satan looks to fill the void with voices that parade conspiracies, unjust hatred, and religious lies. In the final days of ancient Judah before the Babylonian captivity, which I firmly believe parallel as you said the current time in the US, the people grew weary of the prophetic voice of Jeremiah which created a platform and an audience for pseudo-profit. Hannah and I, I'm just going to stop there, bro. I want you to touch on this a little bit. I mean, chapter 2, what pushed this one out? What made this one come alive for you when you wrote this chapter there? Well, like I said, we're not really able to reform. We believe in the gifts of the Spirit. Yes. So I'm in an arena where a lot of people call themselves prophets. Right? And this is where I get heat at. This is where I take the blows. Gotcha. Well, a lot of people call prophets are not. And so I really want to take it back to a biblical perspective that the root are the foundations or the purpose of a prophetic voice. Because, for example, we wouldn't classify Stephen as a prophet. But the function of him standing up and rebuking put him in a category of Old Testament prophetic mode. Yes, sir. So I'm taking that example as an individual that when it's time to declare the word of the Lord, that a true biblical prophet is not running around here and putting prophet on a first Facebook name. Hmm. They're not holding sessions on TikTok, asking people to give money to cash apps. So I'm really getting that perspective back in this, you know, this charismatic type of circle, quote-unquote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We call prophets today are not biblical prophets. And bringing us back to a perspective because, once again, Second Chronicles chapter 19 would not take these eight characters personality. The false prophets are part of the problem. Come on, bro. Whether they are speaking gifts or whether they are speaking erroneous doctrine from the pulpit. False prophets will be a problem in the last day because Jesus said there will be a problem in the last days according to Matthew 24. And so I'm bringing the church really back to the foundation of what is a biblical prophet and what is really not. Hmm. I want to read one portion of this as this is also in the same chapter here. You said the role of a prophet, quote, God does not send prophets for us to celebrate He sends them because he has a disagreement with his people. Prophets are not sent to be relevant and trendy in response to a culture driven by his latest obsessions in popular buzzwords. They are sent to proclaim a message that opposes the norm to turn God's people's hearts back to him. Luke 116. No true prophets have been popular in their day because their ministries are a calling of reaction and not a proaction. They are sent by God to those who have deviated from his original, my God split, look, they have, they have, they are sent by God to those who have deviated from his original path. Most prophets call for repentance. They want to bring God's people back to his original plan so they can once again discern his course. Biblical prophets, this is why I love it. Biblical prophets were like God's alarm clocks, irritating and disturbing but necessary to awaken a people entranced by deception and worldliness. People respond to prophets in two ways. They can either wake up or reject the message. Prophets were heaven appointed litigators sent to announce guilty charges upon God's people who had transgressed and slid from absolutes yet believed they were innocent. Mark this down, you said. Biblical prophets were covenant prosecutors, not government supporting spokespersons. The only prophets who supported and defended human governments in the Bible were false prophets, Balaam, Ahab prophets, Hananiah and the false prophets who will affirm the antichrist in the coming days. So we should be aware, we should be aware rather of those dressed in prophetic clothing who inwardly are hired lobbyists. Prophets are not people-pleasers. They are driven by a desire to be found faithful to the Lord. They cannot be bribed by the world for they are employees on God's payroll. There's a common thread among prophets sent by God in the Bible. All are in sync with their generation. All are out of sync human, all are out of sync rather with their generation. Although they seem out of touch with the times, they are in harmony with heaven. I'm just going to stop right there. I just want to give y'all a little sample. I got to put the air horn on this one real quick bro. I got to use the air horn. You got to get the air horn on this doc. Yeah, yeah. So, let's talk about it. I could say we hold a different functionality of the gifts, but the spirit behind what you said is on point. So please elaborate doc. Yeah, that's the ideal. I'm really trying to hone in on that. This is, we need to get back to what's biblically expired. And like I said, this is what we see a lot. Like I said, if you go through Second Chronicles 19, you'll see that the issue was that Joseph had the 400 false prophets was telling Ahab what he desired. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And Joseph had heard 400 confirmations. Come on man. 400 confirmations. And I really wrote this book because all confirmations are not coming from God. And say that, bro. What type of discernment that you have to have to realize that 400 confirmations is not coming from God? Joseph says, okay, I hear you. Is there not another word from the Lord? Come on. Is there not another prophet from the Lord? He says, yeah, that's Ahab said there's one, but I hate him. Yeah, yeah. Because he's never prophesied anything good. Never. Never. Which means that he has an experience of being a liar because he never prophesied anything good. Come on, man. So we see that false prophets are really a major piece in the church being pragmatic. Yeah, yeah. The key thing is we have to learn how to identify them because not all false prophets are handing out prophecies. Some false prophets are building their YouTube channels. Right? So you don't have to believe in a gift. Oh, he's gone now. Right? He's gone now. Had to eat my run on. I felt how to get a lap on. How to get a lap. Right. Come on, bro. I need this, bro. I need it. I need it. Because you may say, well, we don't believe that the gifts are still in operation. But that don't mean there's no false prophets on the other side. My gosh. The key thing is, can we discern who may seem theologically sound, but really false? And so this is why I really want to bring this chapter to really break it back because we're going to deal with this lying spirit that's really plays an important role and really deceiving people in this album. Deception is intensifying and I really wrote this book because it's going to get worse. In 2024, it's going to be bad, bro. And so I really really want the people of God to grab some gain against them to get their heart back. To get the heart back. To get some of this anger out the heart. Some of this hurt out the heart. Yeah, man. Because the church needs to be healed to be effective. I don't know if I can finish this. I don't know, bro. I've never really, maybe maybe once. This is my second time, I think I've gotten up out of my chair for having somebody speak a word to me, bro. That was fire. This is my second time, bro. I'm laughing, but I'm sitting up here and I'm like, bro, the Lord is actually speaking to my situation. I mean, oh, by the way, by the way, T, by the way, bro. You believe in Ramah word. Oh, no, no doubt about that. I've had a few Ramah words in my life. And this, this, this book has been one of them, bro. I mean, this has been a Ramah word. This is, I mean, this whole live right now has been a Ramah word for me. I'll just tell you this. You said a lot of these false prophets are building a YouTube channel, bro. I could have just shut down the whole thing right now. I mean, because it's so true and you'll see why in just a minute later on in the broadcast, because you already know about it, but the Lord put it on my heart to put it in here because I want to get your response and reaction to it later on. But this is what you're saying, man. When I was reading chapter two and you had said prophets are not people pleasers. They are driven by a desire to be found faithful to the Lord. Bro, I mean, that's all I want to be. I mean, listen, you're not talking to somebody that's perfect, but, bro, I want to be consistent. I want to be faithful. I want to be what God has called me to be. And you've heard this saying I want to operate in the lane that God has called me to run in. That's it. I don't I'm not trying to be like anybody else and I don't care if I have a few followers. I just want to be faithful over what God has entrusted me to have. And I'm pretty sure you have been in ministries or either have ministries to now where people are even been around pastors, like, hey man, how many members you got? What does that matter? Are you faithful to the ones you have? That's the question. Amen. You know what I'm saying? So, if you wanted to touch on that, go right here. We need to dispel a lot of these rumors, man. A lot of these myths about success and what success looks like and what it is not. Yeah, I mean, that's a danger when pragmatism visit the church. Yes, sir. Numbers doesn't mean anything to God. If numbers meant everything to God, then he doesn't reduce Gideon to less than one percent. Come on, bro. God looks for faithfulness, not people who desire to be trendy. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It costs more to be faithful than it is to be trendy. Yes. Faithfulness, there has to be a certain level of discipline that you're not going to move, like you said, out your lane just because you're not getting the response that other people are receiving. Mm-hmm. Once again, this is the training ground, right? Yes. See, in today's culture, if you're doing, if you're holding a seminar on how to expand your YouTube channel or grow your ministry, you don't invite Ezekiel. That's real. Yeah, come on, bro. Come on. You don't invite Ezekiel, right? Come on, bro. Not one person going to respond to you. Not one. You don't bring him to your church growth conference. You don't bring Jeremiah. If you try to get somebody to say, shoot. None of these guys, right? None of them. You don't bring these guys. Think about this. No, bro. Bless many. And at the end of his life, he writes and he pens that many have departed from me. Say that, bro. Only these certain individuals are still with me. Come on. As you get closer to the cross, your circle shrinks. That's it. Right? He feeds 5,000 men, and as he gets closer to the cross, his crowd shrinks. Come on, bro. As John got closer to heaven, John, about this, his crowd shrunk. If your life is determined by size or success by worldly numbers, you will not be faithful to complete the task that God gives you. Satan will give you an exit ramp and have you doing something that God didn't call you to do because you are driven by numbers. We got to be more determined to be more faithful. Let me share this one thing with you. I was preaching in North Carolina. I was a guest speaker. And you know how circles man that some people have honorariums and you got to give them a whole package before they even show up. You know it. For years that's not how I move. I just trust God, whatever God put on your heart to give me, I take it. So this particular and I traveled a road many times in this particular church, I was bothered by what I felt like with disrespect. So I was sitting in the hotel room bothered by what I felt with disrespect. And I felt kind of discouraged. Come on. And in my heart in my heart I heard these words is heaven not enough. Come on bro. And immediately the discouragement left me. Wow. I think God was teaching me don't measure faithfulness by what people give me. Measure faithfulness and success by me being obedient to the assignment. Come on bro. And that was years ago and that's been a lesson I learned that no matter what, no matter the size of the church, whether my church grows whether the crowd is coming I mean people ask me how many people you have in the church. I don't count them. Thank you. I mean I don't count them. There's people here but I don't count them. And so my job is I think for me to count the numbers there's a danger of falling into the trap by David. That's it. Thank you. You start to take the senses and stop trusting there's a danger for pride to overtake your heart because you're driven by your numbers and not being faithful. And so I think a lot of pride is coming from how many subscribers that are coming to channels. Jesus. Pride is a lethal, dangerous thing and I think a lot of individuals need to be careful about allowing the size of your subs Come on. To change your motive and your attitude and your heart. Yes sir. That's a dangerous thing to play in these last days. Yes sir. Pastor Tavares Robertson called Hostility Within You're seeing this brother face to face I guarantee you you will want to hear his sermons and get a copy of his book. The book is fire y'all. We're in chapter 2. We're just discussing chapter 2 a little bit. I'm trying my best y'all just bear with me. I'm trying. Your brother trying y'all. He trying. I told his brother I got him on. I'm gonna try to knock out what I can y'all but I'm having fun. I'm enjoying this. In fact, I'm being fair. Isn't it good when the preacher gets fair by a preacher? Especially when we do always doing the feeding. When we can eat too, it's good. I gotta eat too. I'm eating y'all. I'm eating. It's time for me to eat. Let me get my plate of this manner here. You said in chapter 3 a precursor season that signs emerge. Let me share with you what this brother said in chapter 3. He gives different signs y'all. He goes through Matthew 24 and he gives different signs. He said the first sign here is deception. Deception. He says, quote, what is deception he says? What is deception? Or what does it mean to be deceived? We are deceived when we believe we know something to be acceptable to God in reality. This belief has been based on our own perception and not on a clear direction. Oh, my God. Oh, my Jesus. The Bible says Eve was deceived 1 Timothy 2.14 which means she believed the words of the serpent based on a false perception that caused her to devalue God's clear instructions. Deception is a persuasive idea which causes us to believe in something that is an untruth based on our this p-word y'all perception that is truth. If I'm deceived then the last person to believe I've been deceived is myself. So people who are under deception become deceptive 2 Timothy 3.13 We can understand why Jesus was so careful to warn us to be on guard and to pay attention so we would not be misled. Doc, go ahead. Yeah, I think you know the thing about deception is that it's deceptive. Yes, sir. And when you under deception you are the last person to believe that you are deceived. Yes, sir. Here's the dangerous thing about deception. When you are under deception you will deceive others. Yes, sir. And this is why the whole Ahab the whole Zedekiah going back to the second chronicles 19 these personality traits and what I did was I list these 8 character traits based off these 8 characters in the story. And we know one of them is God so 7 personality traits are currently operating within the body of Christ. And deception fueled the whole scenario of the story. Yes, sir. From Zedekiah to the lying spirits to Ahab let me tell you the things about deception. Come on, come on. The whole stuff that something in him knew that the 400 was not from God. Come on, bro. Something in him that's what he asked is there not another one. But here's the thing about deception. He asked for another opinion but still took the advice of the 400. That's it. That's it. That's it. Yes, he did. And he's so under deception that Ahab convinces him to put his king clothing on while he disguised himself. That's it, bro. So Jehoshaphat goes into a battle that he has no business being in under deception. Yes, sir. And if God was not merciful Jehoshaphat would have got killed in a battle that he had a clear answer to. That's it. So this is a danger of deception that when you stick around deception, it has a way of shaping and morphing how you perceive what's coming in. And so your perception becomes perverted. So deception needs that's the first thing that Jesus says when they ask him on the out of discourse what will be the time of your coming? Take me that no man deceive you. That's it. And here's the thing that got me, bro. And he says and many will be deceived. That's it. Many. Many will be deceived. Right? So deception will have deception will hold up trophies and will deceive many. And so we really want to talk about because deception, I think we have our own view of what deception means. Yeah, yeah. When you cut it man that that I say this any type of teaching that convinces you that as a believer that you can never be deceived is deceptive. Because all of us can be under the influence of deception. And so I think what's happening bro that some people believe that deception is only for other people. And when you believe that you can't be deceived you don't you don't want to find course. You don't want circumspecting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of us can be under the influence of Satan and don't even know it. That's right. So I think what's happening man, I think a lot of people are saying well only people that can be deceived is people who not really save. But Peter was clearly deceived when he was playing a role of hypocrisy. That's it. That's it. Paul did not rebuke him for his doctoring Come on bro. That's it. And his deception was spreading to bonobos Come on bro. That's it. And we're talking about bonobos but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Now you know how preachers get together to start talking. That's dangerous. But here's the thing. How can Peter deny the Gentiles when the Lord used him to bring the gospel first to the Gentiles. Come on bro. In Acts chapter 10 Peter said it's unlawful for me to be in your house but I know the Lord has instructed me and the Spirit of God fell upon the Gentiles and they were filled with the Spirit of God. So that the Gentiles were receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit. So someone who has the experience of first hand fell into deception. Okay, let's talk about bonobos who's with the apostle Paul to preach the gospel to the Gentiles. Come on bro. He fell into deception. So when you start to believe and teach a theology that you can't be deceived you're already deceived bro and you are deceptive. You don't guard your heart circumspectly therefore you believe in the people and prophets of them. Bro, you better be glad you ain't in Houston. You better be glad you ain't in Houston. People are like man where is this brother? He's in Florida y'all. He lives in Florida. He's in Miami, Florida. If you're in Florida y'all some blessed folk. Y'all some blessed folk. I wish I had this one. I'll be running right now. Some of y'all in the chat they try not to run. Go ahead and get some run on Chris. We'll hold the chat room for you Chris. Get a little lap in. This is what we've been looking for bro. This is confirmation man. This is confirmation. And what you're saying, all of us and I mean every last one of us need to guard our hearts and we don't need to be looking at the next person. Let's see what the pastor T is saying now. All of us need to be listening to what this brother is saying. Let him who think he stands so this is a warning to every last one of us who name the name of Christ. Chapter four bro. Chapter four. Chapter four. We're not going to go through every chapter. I'm just highlighting the ones that I had. I just had to bring to y'all's attention to let y'all not go a day without grabbing this book if you can. So in chapter four you said the foundation of hostility. The foundation of hostility. You said times of crisis, confusion, frustration, and disappointment only two things are essential to a believer. Knowing God's timing and having God's perspective. This is not something you learn from reading books alone. You learn it from studying the scriptures and by walking with the Lord. And then you cite the Matthew 16 one through four passages and ironically bro you don't even know this. I cited that very thing yesterday when I was talking about target and how we as believers need to be discerning of the times and I get caught up in this whole thinking that we just need to be banding target. No, you got to be consistent. You're going to talk about this banding on stone. This ain't even about that. This is bigger than the target. We need to deal with the churches that's allowing the fusions to come to the church before we deal with the stone. But anyway, anyway, you said when we are driven to weigh authenticity via signs we open ourselves up to be letter straight. You said I'm not saying God won't even drop won't ever drop nuggets to point you in a directional confirmance will with something supernatural. However, we need to be careful not to elevate the miraculous over the word of God. Satan can also produce and work signs second Thessalonians 2 9 this Pharisees and Sadducees were missing what Christ was saying yet they still asked him for signs. It is easy to learn intellectually of God's ways and still not know them. We don't just need to learn about his ways. We also need to experience them. What we learn has to be lived otherwise we can have scriptural knowledge yet be deficient in knowing God's timing and perspective. For example the Pharisees were skilled in knowledge of Hebrew scriptures. Some were even considered experts in the law. They were not juvenile or ignorant. They had all the verses yet they could not discern God's timing or perspective. I'm gonna stop right there. I'm gonna stop right there because this is this and people can attest to this here on this channel here on this channel bro I tell people all the time it is not about knowledge it is about knowledge that's what it's about information without application bro it's gonna need to arrogance that's that's all you are so so what I try to do here on this channel that like when I got there with the target situation with the LGBT and all that kind of stuff I said Lord how can we I use the phrase how can I bring these cookies down from the top shelf and help everybody get a body that's cooking because if the Word of God is not applicable if we don't believe that the Word of God is sufficient then it shows in how we deal with life it shows in how we deal with life Peter says he has given us everything we need for life in Godliness everything we need right so if I'm looking at stuff that's going on in the world somewhere in the Word of God he's spoken about either presep or principle or in pattern of practice he's dealt with it right so a lot of the times bro we have a lot of people and this is what I hated about it I don't know about you but when I was and my wife can attest to this when I was pastoring we would go through books of the Bible right we would go through the book of the Bible but I told my people I said listen we're going to go through Matthew I said but if there is anything that pops off in the world that I believe that's going to affect the church we're going to get off this Bible bus and we're going to pull over and we're going to deal with this issue and then get back on the bus and keep it moving I said now where do I get that from quick case in point Paul wrote letters to churches bro you know this not concerning this not concerning that Paul was answering questions both that had issues that needed answers and listen to this y'all Paul didn't have Instagram Paul didn't have Facebook he didn't have Twitter he didn't have IG he didn't have tiktok so they had to wait weeks and sometimes months to get those answers back so there's no excuse for us bro no excuse for us where information is at our fingertips literally I mean all we got to do is push the button all we got to do is click them so some of us are ignorant willfully I'll say most of us most of the time we're ignorant willfully and so my job is when people come on this channel bro I want to make the Word of God alive so I may address topical issues but I'm going to address topical issues exegetically I still believe that if I'm dealing with something that the Word of God says I want to be exegetical with I want to be faithful to the text I want to be faithful to what the author meant by what he said and then at the end of the day if I can bring application it is the spirit's job to produce the results all I'm supposed to do is just say what the Word of God says I'm his spiritual parent that is it but I know you you can attest to this as well far too many of us bro we go to church and most of our past is bro they don't even care about the needs of the flock they just want to get through a book and I'm like why go if your church is going through divorce and going through all these family issues bro you going through Obadiah may not be it right now you know what I'm saying bro you need to pull over let me set up bro let me set up go ahead go ahead absolutely Obadiah but I would you know I would question in a situation like that I would question how much if the leader really being spirit led yes sir yes sir yes sir because Jude says I was going to write to you about our coming salvation yes he did bro yes sir yes sir yes to pretend for the faith that if if we are not paused in the hands of the spirit of God then we're not we're not surface to God come on bro that your heart got to be sensitive when the spirit of God is saying this ain't the way you should go come on I don't care how long you study I don't care how many hours you put that week you got to have a sensitivity that it may be somebody walking your congregation is suicidal come on bro suicidal and and and and you talking about um I mean you may be talking about some some crazy message not crazy but you may be a subject that's totally opposite of suicide yes sir suicidal and and I don't think there's enough spirit led I think people believe that if I just teach the scriptures exegetically then I'm being led by the spirit come on bro talk to us bro you're not talk to us bro you can teach scriptures about the head knowledge of education well that don't mean you are spirit inspired come on bro there's a lack of a lot of spirit led preaching there was a quote by Leonard Raven Hood Raven Hill yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he says your your doctrine can be biblically straight as a gun barrel mmm but just as empty right like like you can have all the exegetical points come on bro but if you're not led by the spirit you you didn't bless people you didn't help people you didn't help people Jesus could have preached on anything any subject in the world yes sir but he was sensitive to what was the father wanted and his teaching touched the people in the crowds let me tell you how disconnected it was that that you had Jesus teaching in Luke and one from the crowd is so disconnected from the teaching that Jesus even takes his disconnection from the teaching and turns into a teaching movement yes sir teaching my hypocrisy and he says what what what tell my brother to help me with my heritance come on who made me an arbitrary over you that's it but since you want to talk about this let me deal with covetousness come on bro he always spirit-led knew the audience need and I think a lot of people are convinced themselves that if I'm doing something exegetically and I'm going and I'm expositoring the text that I'm being led by the scriptures spirit no you can know that by education spirit inspired we need more spirit inspired preaching that is derived from the scripture versus what we see on the other side where it's derived from just pulling stuff out the air but this is why I'm saying that I take a lot of beatings from this side because I don't believe revelation supersede scripture come on bro come on bro we got a lot more we got a lot in common and I'll say this to you preachers need to learn how to pivot we gotta learn how to pivot bro there's too many people I'm telling you what I know I ain't telling you what I heard I'm telling you what I know most preachers especially those of us in the recording court reform whatever you want to call it they don't know how to pivot and so when I read progress 2723 I know it's an agrarian context but the application is still true Simon says know well the condition of your flocks and of your herds bro that means we need to be observing that means it involves conversation that means we need to be getting in people's lives and saying hey man you know I'm noticing this person ain't been coming to church and I know that he's been becoming maybe I need to talk about the importance and talk about the importance of commitment to the local fashion maybe I need to go through Hebrews let me pull over for a second in this book and let me go ahead and hit this one over here in Hebrews let me hit the Gospel of John let me show people what happens when you miss a Lord's day you know remember the disciples I mean Thomas wasn't there he missed that day when the Lord came he said man y'all bro you weren't here he said well okay well if I don't see it I ain't believe it bro he was here last week and God in his grace in his grace he said okay I'll come back I'll come back for you I reappeared just for you there's a lot of things we miss when we don't gather together amongst the saints and I really believe when we're so focused like you said bro on this this this this rigid and just bring this I'm gonna go through this book and I because eventually I've heard people say this bro eventually you know we'll get to what the topic or the issues is in the church how do you know that you're presuming now you know what I'm saying like you said how do you know this person who's contemplating suicide this brother or sister because yes it happens I know it contradicts some people brothers and sisters can contemplate that they can contemplate self deletion they can and it may mean them coming there and hearing a word and hearing someone or receiving a hug or saying brother I just I just want to let you know that you know I love you or sister I just want to let you know I'm here for you you don't know what we don't know we don't know and so for the preacher to say hey because I know you know this bro we quench the spirit more than what we think we quench as a matter of fact most preachers as a matter of fact most preachers say that the parishion of the lay folk they do the quenching we do a lot of quenching of the spirit bro I'm trying to shout go ahead bro go ahead hey man okay how will if I don't believe say the reform who don't believe in the gifts of some people don't believe in the gifts of the spirit that's reform some people do but say I don't believe in the gifts of the spirit right and I say prophecy is really just preaching the word of God yes sir yes sir but if I don't be led by the spirit come on bro how can I fulfill first Corinthians where if an unbeliever comes and among you and the intent of his heart is revealed he will fall down and acknowledge that the Lord is among you so even if it comes to the preach word if I believe in the gift of the spirit the prophetic word he has to acknowledge come on because the intent of my heart has been exposed by the preaching of the word yeah man and that's the leading of the Holy Spirit there's a lot of quenching and quenching is a sin oh yes because it's going to lead to other type of sins that's right and there's a lot of it that's been done under the umbrella like you said that really preachers can't do it but not responding but a lot of leaders question the leading of the spirit because to pivot to go back to your word requires you to have a genuine walk with God that's it bro, that's it he pulled you away from your notes come on bro and he pulled from the whale that's supposed to be in your heart right he pulls that whale up he pulls that deposit up and a lot of preachers have not made no true deposit bro it's intellectually but it's not in the life and if you can't live what you preach you have not really made a deposit in your life and so he cannot pivot you so you have to stay and what's safe to you even though the people walk away the same come on I found out that that many times the pivot blessed me in ways that the preach word didn't because I was clueless to what was going on in the hearts of the people that's it and the spirit of God can do a 9-1-1 because you don't know who's going to walk through the door right like a 9-1-1 for individuals because sometimes a person is really doubting God yeah man then the idea was saying it's really oppressing their minds the believer is struggling to believe God and the existence of God they may be going through a hard hardship a long trial and that one word that God can pivot and really speak to their issues come on bro starts to do something within their heart that they know nobody said a word to nobody nobody knew nothing I was keeping this quiet and God answered my prayer that can do all than me going through the book of Matthew that's it yeah man that one word alter their life forever and I think we need more spirit layer inspired preaching and teaching listen a lot of people want to say Lord have your way in this place and then Lord like are you sure you sure you want me to have my way in here are you sure because if I call an audible are you going to run the play is God sovereign enough is he sovereign in our local churches today in the spiritual audible how many preachers will say yes Lord amen how many preachers will say yes Lord if God were to call an audible on your play because it ain't your place it's God's field it's his players you just a steward of his team that's it so if God wanted to call an audible tomorrow morning on his day the Lord's day how many preachers will say you know what I was going to teach on this but let me do it and it ain't being spooky it's still his word right so are we sure that we want God to have his way in our churches that just sound cliche just sound spiritual what do I know I'm just some dude that people want to attack and say I ain't say but anyway chapter I think we did chapter 4 yeah so let me see chapter 6 y'all ready for this chapter y'all ain't ready for this chapter they ain't ready for this chapter and you talked about it a little bit but I want you just touch it a little bit more chapter 6 ladies and gentlemen when loyalty becomes lethal past the t-art it touched it but this is the chapter that he was referring to with jihashaphat in him he says ahab lived for himself if anyone was against him ahab automatically took that person for his enemy those in harmony with a lying spirit exaggerate their spiritual discernment as if they were defenders of truth when really they are intolerant of the truth bruh you already touched it I just want you to just elucidate on that point because you did give us a meal on jihashaphat and ahab and makaya so just that quote right there bro you said those in harmony with a lying spirit exaggerate their spiritual discernment as if they were defenders of the truth when really they are intolerant of it right it's ahab you have ahab you have zedakaya these individuals are ahab has been controlled by the lie zedakaya is the spokesperson for the lie jihashaphat is under the influence of the lie and here's the thing about ahab ahab and I'll list these characters once again because they are personality traits that are operating within the church regardless of the gender they are personality traits that are operating within the church and ahab is the type of individual who does everything for a show it's all about image for ahab but he really has an issue with truth because god has an issue with him and here's the thing with him his deception because when makaya comes and says about and give him a word that he wanted he turns around and says how many times am I swerving for you to tell me the truth come on bro, yes he did he's intolerant of the truth but he has to let the crowd know that he's a defender of the truth yeah man it's all part of his image to deceive the people and so that's what ahab is ahab is someone who plays to the crowd but he really privately cannot stand truth um you said this you said many dangers are associated with this type of spiritual compromise you said first, unhealthy compromise can change our spiritual palette if our palette can be changed our spiritual appetite can be altered when our appetite has been downgraded not only would our biblical affections discernment and priorities become misaligned but no longer have a desire for sound or wholesome teachings in this condition we will look for teachings that accommodate our current spiritual condition this is the beginning of apostasy when we first question and deny truth and subsequently remove ourselves from a position we originally occupied to join a life second what makes spiritual compromise dangerous is that it's usually slow and subtle progression gradual drift can be more lethal and deceptive than a swift turn drifting implies following past the mark God intended it means passing by an intended destination unnoticed due to one's spiritual compass being redirected through carelessness that carelessness comes about through being overly preoccupied with worldly things brother listen this book was speaking to me I couldn't even it was hard for me to put it down matter of fact when I remember yesterday I was asking where was that quote what was that quote because I had read it so much of it I said what chapter was it was and I had to do a little search on it and I found it but there's so many nuggets in this book bro that people are going to be remiss if they don't get it chapter 16 I'm just going to go near the end of it because you lovingly smacking us but you also providing a bomb you see what I'm saying so you deal with it and you like me we deal with the situation but we also bring the solution and we know the solution is so you gave us some warnings in chapter 16 the way forward and I want to just touch on these and then let you show your heart with this you said in chapter 16 you said in our attempt to win the world at any cost we have paid a hefty price we have attempted to be more loving relevant and appealing to seekers which has left many as spiritual infants unable to maneuver through issues that require spiritual maturity but maturity cannot be achieved when we only teach the good or positive things from the bible while ignoring what we perceive what we perceive to be unpopular uncomfortable irrelevant and negative brother please explain yourself please please tell us what you really wanted to say the hard truth does not help you develop spiritually a child cannot develop until until a young adult or even a young teenager if all they ate were skills come on bro at some point you got to eat something that you might not like but it's not what you don't like it's for the sake of your development that's it and if you're only preaching what seems to be positive you really are hindering people's development process because Satan in life is going to bring you circumstances that are difficult to navigate through this is what I'm saying that to many people the first century church I heard this a lot I understand when people say it but it bothers me when they say it but and you hear this a lot the church needs to go back to the church in the book of acts and I hear them but do you want the prosecution right you don't want that but here's the thing there was one church right it required you to love someone correctly now we got so many options that hey man I ain't got to love you I worship at my house in America we have a lot of options and choices can be good but also it can make you spiritually lazy that's it and so we're not really eating what we should to be able to handle the diabolical division the the disloyalty right because I need sound teaching to help my mind and my heart navigate where I'm in a season when things are painful happening yeah after you get the paddle in the back God wants you to get in the game you got to get in the game and so there's a lot of teaching that I hear and a lot of books that I sell in the market it's not preparing you to be a service forgotten in time it's only teaching you to really be this relevant pseudo Christian that is trendy but with season change you become irrelevant we really need teachings that cause you to stand in every season of your life right and unfortunately there's not a lot of that hard teaching because that come across as negative and I love it and I love it I'm looking at this verse, the scripture I had it on my screen I'm gonna share it on the screen right now Isaiah chapter 30 verses 9 through 11 it says for this is a rebellious people false sons, sons who refuse to listen to the instruction of the Lord who say to the seers and to the prophets you must not prophesy to us what is right speak to us pleasant words prophesy illusions get out of the way turn aside from the path let us hear no more about the holy one of Israel is that not our day in time bro I mean you're too harsh I mean this conversation for most people people who really follow this channel they already know what they're getting over here but a lot of people they would consider this conversation to be too harsh it's too bombastic it's too testosterone it's too much testosterone in it bro we men we're men I'm not this soft tone I mean and some of these people are the same ones when their team loses they get more upset and more irate and more corner-court passionate over their team that they didn't bet money on but the one who put his life on the line for us and died for us we can't get excited we can't get passion we can't get anger over things that anger him we can't be bothered and perturbed by things that bother our Lord but we're the ones that are seen as like you said the angry preacher the one that it don't take all that no it took our Lord everything and so you know this is what I'm seeing what we are today brother and I'm glad man that you let the Lord move on your heart to write this this book man because it is so timely and applicable you talked about Micaiah here as well too I wanted to just read this section and then we'll get to some other topics and some other talk on here but you said near the end you said Micaiah was a true spokesman for the Lord we learned two things in particular first in an avalanche of deception the truth will always be outnumbered by lies but truth doesn't need to be believable for it to be true truth doesn't need props or dramatic displays of showmanship to appear credible it can stand on its own second if we speak the truth in a post truth culture we will face opposition and vitriol King Ahab's exact words about Micaiah quote were I hate him it's one thing for the world to despise us Jesus said they would it's another thing when anger resentment and retaliation come from people who claim to call on God's name brother I'm telling you this right here was because that's what I'm dealing with that that's that's what I'm dealing with people people that I thought were on the same team with me are the ones that's putting points on the board for the enemy while still wearing the quote-unquote jersey of the kingdom you know what I'm saying and I'm pretty sure you've had your fair share of that but this brother this speaks so many volumes of truth and resonates with me it is it's crazy it really is we gotta be prepared we gotta be prepared and I think God prepares us through the hardship right I think the last couple of years has been really painful for a lot of believers who God intends to do something great through right and and God has allowing you know some of the things are coming from the hand of the enemy but God is allowing it he's allowing it because he is purifying our hearts he is teaching us something right because in years to come this teaching it's easier to take blows from the enemy when God told you how to get up when you was wounded by a friend come on bro yes sir David says I can see if it was my enemy that's right but it's the one who we took bread together we took counsel together learning how to overcome this betrayal and loyalty will become a thing that's foreign in the body of Christ people will only be loyal if you help them achieve their own personal desires wait two and one night go ahead you know that loyalty is going to be thrown out the window it's not going to be something that you think the believers heart should be because we're already not on whole field yeah right and you would think we need all of it a lot of friendly fire happening in the church because loyalty will become a thing that's not popular and I'm only loyal to you if you can create a platform for me right because it's hard to be loyal when opportunists are in a room right so what you're going to find about your Christ and social media is really pushing this that you have a lot of people who have their own agendas because they're really opportunist and an opportunist can never be loyal I'm loyal here it is I'm loyal to the people up but I don't mind just missing you if I feel like you beneath jeez my my my okay bro ladies and gentlemen Pastor Vars Robinson this is the author of the book we've been talking about hostility within hostility within you need to get the book hostility within is the title of the book let's shift gears a little bit I want to get your reaction to some things I'm not sure how familiar you are with some people within the reform community you can tell me if you are or if you're not but I'll kind of like set the stage for you a little bit and I want to get your reaction this last half hour of our time together are you familiar with John MacArthur? yes are you familiar with the shepherds conference? yes alright you're familiar with some of the key speakers or key players within the shepherds conference the who's who or the who that Justin Peters Steve Lawson those individuals something like that if you if you didn't hear about this statement regarding Justin Peters I'm going to play it and they're going to be back to back I don't want to get your reaction to it and this kind of ties into what we're talking about when you and I or when people speak out against the overwhelming I believe idolatry man worship or when we start to like you say drift away and to compromise and things like that I believe it happens in more churches across the aisle than they are on your side of the aisle and I use these words in tongue and cheek but you get the spirit behind what I'm saying so let me play this to Cliff's brother and get your reaction to Dawson here we go let's run it I think the argument can be made I've said this before and some people don't like it but I'll say it again because I believe it I think the argument can be made that given the sheer size the sheer scope of John MacArthur's ministry and all that goes along with it that God has used him in a greater way than any other single individual since the apostolic era I have been coming to Shepherd's conference since 1983 that's 40 years ago we met over in the chapel which was only half full and over the years these last 40 years there's been one constant voice in my spiritual life and that voice is John MacArthur and I pray that he can be with us tomorrow and I think that 5% of John MacArthur is worth more than the whole evangelical world put together he is the shepherd of the Shepherd's conference he has shepherded us for more than four decades his pastor his convictions the fidelity of his life his outspokenness his pastor's heart his prophetic voice has been really a landmark for us and I know that we are gathered here because he has been really the anchor man for us and so I think that we should pray for John that God will give him a quick recovery that he will be here more than any man in this room so no one can fill the pulpit in the place of John MacArthur it would take 40,000 men to try to fill that footprint but I'm very grateful that I have the opportunity to preach to you today alright bro your thoughts my brother your thoughts please if you have any at all I just wanted to hear your thoughts of your reaction today I can only speak for myself and my church can testify to this right that I feel uncomfortable with words they give me out of respect it's just I feel uncomfortable yes let me tell you this in college I played college basketball in Kansas and I wasn't saved but I was able to achieve some success through college basketball and I remember what it is to and I tell the church all the time I think God allowed me to take success in the world that I hated in the church I know what it is for kids to admire you at basketball camps I know what it is to sign kids shirts with your autograph I know what it is for parents to invite you to dinner because their kid idolize you when I start writing books I don't sign books I don't put my name in them because it takes me back come on bro I don't have a pride I had playing basketball and this is my personal conviction I hear you mine too you put your name in your books my personal conviction God delivered me from any avenue in which pride can be exalted so when I hear those type of statements it takes me back to when kids and fans used to scream my name come on bro it takes me back to an affatuation it takes me back to yeah bro pride and the spirit of God would never prompt a man to say those type of words come on about another man respect a man's work there's nothing to admire a man's work but what I just heard that didn't come from the spirit of God because here's the reality but it also will pass away one day yes sir then what that's the reality then what yeah that's very unhealthy I would say that it's unhealthy from people who are fans and it's unhealthy coming from leaders that people also admire so that's dangerous on both ends yeah and I'm glad you said that because everything you said bro I'm spot on with you no argument no contention at all and you're talking to a guy back in 2003 in my early years of getting saved what God was still dealing with my heart I went to my first shepherd's conference in 2003 and I had actually I had Phil Johnson himself I didn't even stand in the line I had the hook up I had connects I knew somebody knew somebody knew somebody but I knew the man that was sitting next to the dog on man Phil Johnson ended up clicking up with him in Houston he ended up having me having my Bible signed by John MacArthur and I still have it and every time I look at it I'm like wow it goes to show you what God matures us there is levels to sanctification and maturity ladies and gentlemen there they are and although what God has brought me from I have to remind myself when I see people do this bro I've seen grown men I've seen grown men go to these conferences and I've seen grown men who like you said share the stage and share platforms with John MacArthur and Vody Barkham and all this and I'm saying bro I've seen these grown men take pictures and they're posted on their pages for the purpose of saying look who I'm with look who this person I've seen grown men say oh my gosh I can't believe I'm sitting one row behind my favorite preacher and I'm saying I say wait a minute why is it so unbelievable I mean it's like you say we're men it's like Paul at Barber when they went and healed the man these people were throwing they're throwing their clothes and worshiping them and the Bible said that Paul and Barber had to rip their clothes what y'all doing we're just men like you I wish and I have yet to hear it I said if I would ever be invited at one of these conferences I know exactly what I would I know two texts I'll be coming from I'll be coming from Acts and I'll be coming from Virgin Corinthians and showing the idolatry of the speaker you see what I'm saying because that's why for me I have yet to hear any preacher teach how to text like that who is Paul who is Paul through whom you believe that's it that's all we are you can't even say anything about what you heard with people who are fanboys of MacArthur without it being a problem they'll accuse you and I of being a hater you're accused you and I of being judgmental you're accused you and I of trying to find fault no brother this man said 5% of John MacArthur is more than the whole evangelical world put together bro what are you saying we're all slaves on the same plantation what are you talking about stars other than the bright morning star that's it so where we get this idea that slaves are stars where do we get this idea that sheep are celebrities we're not we're nothing but organized dirt that is it but a lot of us and for me we don't talk about idolatry and the reform quote unquote or the Calvinist or the non charismatic or the we don't talk about idolatry we don't talk about man worship over here too much because we're more so focused on the armor bearer on the other side of the aisle we're more focused on those who run around the church but I'm saying myself but in too many scandals I've seen on that side of the aisle like I've been seeing on this side of the aisle that's being covered up but that's another topic for another time maybe later I just wanted to get your thoughts about those two clips because again I don't hear a lot of our brothers and sisters on the reform side saying hey bro and by the way if they do though if they do though brother I don't really agree with what he said no bro speak up say it with your chest say it with your chest you had a problem talking about the carrots man you had a problem talking about creflonium the low hanging fruit you had a problem so why are you talking about why are you all nick at night now why are you talking all low what's up to speakeasy talk for that's what I see with that I want to play another series of clips if you don't mind these are going to be four of them back to back kind of quick want to get your reaction to these as well too and tell me what you hear what you don't hear you ready? in light of some recent issues Christians are asking should I render services in my business for homosexuals that question needs to be answered carefully if you have a gas station I don't think you mind if a homosexual pumps gas if you have a grocery store I don't think you mind if the homosexual comes and chops there I don't think we're called to sort out we're called that way no matter what you do in business you're probably in the economy of the world in the way things are conducted in the world interacting with all kinds of sinful people all over the place if you invest your money if you put your money in a bank it's pulled together with people whose lives you wouldn't support but here's the difference when it comes to providing a service which is part of the celebration that word celebration may help you you could say I don't mind selling cakes to people who walk in off the street but when you ask me to bake a cake specifically to celebrate a homosexual marriage now you've pushed me into contributing to the celebration you've pushed me into affirming an event that I cannot affirm I think that's where you have to draw the line is it truly sinful to be a Christian business person for instance a cake maker to produce a product for a gay wedding you're on a roll no it's not sinful for a cake maker to make a cake for a gay wedding any more than it's sinful for a guy who runs a restaurant to serve dinner to somebody who's gay and sits in a booth and eats the food or goes to the market and buys a loaf of bread and you own the market what what the issue is is not whether that's sinful it's whether the federal government can demand that people do certain things which goes against their Christian conscience the issue is to me is more of a political governmental issue I actually think that we need to show love to everyone and particularly we need to do good to all those that are outside the kingdom as well as inside the kingdom as much as possible so a gesture of kindness toward some unregenerate person is in itself not a sin but again if it violates your conscience in some way then you don't want to train your conscience you don't want to train yourself to ignore your conscience so I think it's a personal issue the issue becomes when people are basically fined or imprisoned for doing things that are religious conscience matters and that speaks to the issue of how much authority the government has to make you do that in regard to the about a half of the tribulation period when men are required to have the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell my question is once a person takes the mark is there any possibility of him coming to Christ yes I think in the seven year tribulation coming in the future we're going to get into this probably a week from Sunday night maybe this Sunday night maybe a week I'm not sure but the tribulation is a seven year period right the rapture the church seven year tribulation then Christ returns sets up his kingdom now in that seven year period when things happen God begins to judge the world with a series of holocausts and at the same time he begins to redeem his people Israel and in the process of this the antichrist establishes his rule and in order to function in the economy of the antichrist you have to take the mark of the beast now the question is if you're living in the tribulation period and you take this mark in other words you identify with the beast's empire will you still be able to be redeemed and I think the answer to that is yes yes otherwise there would be no salvation of anybody in the end of the tribulation so I don't think the fact that someone takes that is a sentence to it to permanency any more than you being a part of this world system once in your life means you have to be a part of the system all your life people like Stephen furtick, Mike Todd, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland the list could go on forever they're preaching man centered prosperity gospels and are setting horrible examples for thousands of Christians therefore these explicit false teachers present a much greater threat to the church than someone like John MacArthur does and as a result those are the people I talk about on this channel more often because they're more dangerous and as they say folks the squeaky wheel gets the grease so please pray for John MacArthur that his biblical efforts would be blessed and that people would continue to be helped by his ministry this is why it's so interesting because when I read the New Testament myself and I obviously am not a believer in the divinity of Jesus obviously am not a believer in the divinity of Jesus when you ask me to show the variation between Judaism and Christianity morally no there's none and in terms of God the same we don't have the same God as Muslims Allah is not the same God as Jehovah we don't have the same Gods as any other false religion but we have the same God as Jews and Christians we have the same God as Jews and Christians that's just some of them bro that ain't even all the stuff that I mean I just wanted to give you a sample of some of the stuff and notice the caping notice the defending notice the flipping notice the contradiction of John MacArthur and defending of others I mean but I just wanted to get your thoughts about what you heard and again I haven't heard anybody among the who's who come against what John MacArthur has said now to be fair his commentary and revelation he does have the the true biblical understanding it ain't what you heard here in this clip here though he said you took the Mark of the Beast in the book that he wrote and in Revelation the commentary you wrote there he said yeah you're going to hell but in this Q&A he didn't say that 30 some years ago your doctor then I mean several things then I will have to ask the question if his thoughts are not the same then I will have to ask the question did he write the commentary come on bro exactly yeah I know if you did the commentary notes come on and they're different then my question would be did you write the notes how can they differ right something like that and I think someone of his well first of all let me go not doubt this out the way that I heard Judaism and Christianity is not the same they have an issue with Christ they sure do so I don't that comment was really crazy but let me say this I heard him say I think which is dangerous because you should have let people back to what the Scripture says versus I think but if they're different let me say this you cannot be saved if you take the mark of the beast that's right I don't care if what nobody says this is one of those ones of Galatians where Paul says if me or angel comes from heaven and tells me to preach to you another gospel let him be a curse I don't care who it is you cannot be saved if you take the mark of the beast the flip flopping of views I will say this that it can mean to me several things one that anytime there is mixture in teachings that is usually indicator that another spirit is working when there is mixture in the teaching let me put a let me put a modifier when there is mixture without explanation there you go that's an indicator that a seducing spirit is working because if I am switching positions a man of his statue a man of his statue a man of his statue with that many followers he need to explain come on bro why the shift in positions come on to not to explain the shift in positions will be an indicator that another spirit is working if if I say this if I had a view here and later on my view changed but it starts to develop more into the scripture I still have to explain where I used to believe this but God told me and God showed me this what it means here I have to post it as a leader you spoke to explain your position of your change so if I am switching and especially if the views are going contrary to scripture in my switch that is the indicator and there is no explanation that is the indicator that there is another spirit working jeez okay you don't switch those positions like that as who has followers yeah without giving explanation I will say this as a leader if I am dogmatic about a belief and later on I switch you have the responsibility to explain your switch come on bro you have the responsibility as someone who has influence and persuasion to explain your switch yes and explain and I am going to tell you why many don't do it because explaining why you change will reveal that you were wrong hold it wait you broke a record keep going bro bring that heat let's go it requires humility you will have to admit that man I was wrong yeah man I was wrong about this thank God for his mercy for teaching me x y x y but if my switch jesus moves me further away from the parameters of the scripture and I don't give an explanation that's another spirit jesus okay now let me say this go ahead if I am your listener yes it leaves me confused Lord help us it leaves me confused about okay which one do I believe right it leaves me confused this is why Micaiah was very instrumental and speaking a word to Ahab let me tell you why because the people was present jesus the people was present what happens when you have a Jeremiah and a Hedoniah both are saying thus says the Lord but they move it in opposite direction man come on people are left to wonder who is hearing from God and it causes divisions brother T and it causes unnecessary a biblical division that Satan will use because there is a lack of explanation come on that is Santanic and it's nature this is why this is why this is why God used Elijah to expose the false prophets on Mount Carmel that's it bro because the people was confused right if God be God serve him if be be God serve him and the Bible says and the people answer not a word so when people are left confused it is God's antidote to bring clarity if not Satan will use that confusion to bring diabolical division Jesus help us today Holy Spirit that is a biblical principle help us Lord if God does not use Paul to confront Peter publicly his hypocrisy was created in the division that shouldn't be necessary Jesus but it takes humility to explain your position hmm but in the day that we are living in a lot of people are political for the sake of numbers Jesus so if it is a number game with you you are going to side on the side that is going to give you more publicity you don't feel like you need to explain yourself but that lacks spiritual integrity because you have people who will believe yes and now Satan can work with individuals and say you know what this is why I don't trust Christianity at all this is why I don't trust preachers at all I mean you giving Satan the opportunity to play on the weaker hmm that's not good bro let me say this and I need to switch frames I need to switch frames and I want this to be clear I want this to be clear before everybody before the watching world God knows it have you and I had any conversation about what we were going to discuss tonight no I asked you from the airport I said do you have something in mind or it's going to be organic and you said let's make it organic so there's nothing that you and I rehearse and say hey man I'm going to slide you this clip I'm going to slide you this I'm going to talk about this did I say any of that to you none none thank you just in case do you know who's and the haters matter of fact the flip mode squad the flip nation they come and they try to attack and all this other kind of stuff I think you are privy to what you may have seen online my people making videos maybe I'm not really sure but nonetheless you have seen probably some things but you and I have not had any conversations about any of this stuff I wanted to talk about your book the Lord has taken this and he's bringing Reema to this whole entire situation here on this live so people can see what you're saying I want to add maybe one or two more points and piggyback on what you said I believe this is why I made a statement and you tell me if this is if this is sinful speech and what I made I did a video and I said choose a side or pick a side and I came with the same text with first Kings 18 with Elijah on Mark Carmel and he said the same thing like you said if God be God serve him if I all be God then worship him and I said we're going to have to make a make a decision you have to decide who you're going to follow who you're going to choose and then I also gave 1 Corinthians 11 follow me as I follow Christ I said both me and I just mentioned his name both me and Cory Minor cannot be right about the same thing if we're talking about a moral issue that the Bible says this is sin and somebody saying it isn't and somebody saying that it is one of us are wrong and it takes you and I as believers on the body of Christ to say hey here's what the word of God says why are these brothers warring over an issue and why are people not wanting to take a side or if they are taking a side they're taking a side towards sin and I'm being the one that's now being looked at as the divisive person and like you mentioned oh sickles numbers is dropping so that means that God is on Cory's side this has actually been said bro you better not know this I'm telling you this now this is why it is resonating this is what people are saying oh because he has 105,000 subscribers I have now I'm in the low 6,800 not that I care but I'm looking at the principle behind this and I'm saying okay why are people leaving are they leaving because it's something that I did that I'm sending against somebody or it's because we're looking at people versus the precepts and principles of God's word and people rather love what the person says instead of loving what God's word says so you said the issue was the picking a side of a moral issue of sin? yes of sin the John McArthur situation the repentance issue now I'm going to cue this up because you don't know what this clip is but I'll cue that you respond to in just a minute so now brother Cory is saying that John McArthur is not in sin for what he did to this woman and their children and come to find out now 40 plus years of abuse has been going on but nonetheless last year Cory was saying that John McArthur needed to repent he needed to step down because he's not qualified now he's saying he doesn't need to step down anymore and what you said was key that's why everybody in his comments was like almost ready to run he offered no biblical explanation brother none he offered no explanation why he changed why he switched none he has to do that if he has influence you have to do that as a leader you have to do that polar opposite directions as a leader you have to explain to the people why you taking that opposite opinion or direction or their view because clearly if I'm going to if I'm stating something opposite clearly I cannot believe both right so as a leader who has influence you really have to you have to explain why this is now your view and what has involved you have to I'm trying to think right now I don't see in scripture where also in scripture anytime people was confused it's what it's what Satan wanted Satan wanted the people to be confused when there was division because there was a lack of clarity that's it but God is in the business of clarity yeah I would question that one I would question that one if I still before sound the trumpet and and say I took a different stand especially if it's scripturally off different now than years ago with some of the people here coming to me years ago you believe X, Y, X, Y if as a leader I said I ain't got an explanation that's not God that's not God you can't shepherd people like that you have to walk them through because here's the thing the people digested my first view that right they digested my first view so basically now they have to regurgitate what I put in their mouths the first time I have to tell them that you shouldn't ate that spit it back up and now eat this at what point do I really believe you now right how do I not know that years down the road that you may come back and tell me again that you took another view right that got to be an explanation the word of God has to be the parameters if it's a moral sin yes then everybody should be standing against the sin despite of the personality right so first myth is 110 we should all speak the same thing first myth is 1119 there must be factions and divisions among you and heresies among you that are proved maybe made known and made evident among you right yes okay let me play this clip you don't know what this one is you may know what the other one is but I never heard you answer it sure go right in you and this Cory God was friends yes sir oh so that really heightened it yes sir actually I have been dealing with the John McGarver situation publicly he was on my broadcast we both were saying that this man needed to step down he also made a comment on a post to the reform community asking for the reform community to demand that John McGarver step down because he's not qualified that was last year and then this year he flipped and said John McGarver is not the bad guy John McGarver is not he does not need to step down he's still qualified to be a pastor he's been a pastor for 50 years this is an issue Julie Royce has an axe to grind but a year ago he said Julie Royce does not have an axe to grind anybody that says she has an axe to grind you can't use that as an excuse because it doesn't take away from the content and her research and her investigation so it's a total flip like you said and then there's no explanation to it but this brother goes as far as to talk about public sin and public repentance and this is it good? is it a good thing if somebody wants to come before someone and make it right with the entirety of the body let everyone know listen guys I was wrong I was so wrong and I apologize I ask your forgiveness please don't look at me that way that's fine that is fine the problem is though or the question is is it required and I think we need to get into habit not I think I know we should get in the habit of when we say someone ought to do something it's required then we need to find the scripture there is again there's no scripture that states that a person who has committed a sin in public must publicly apologize would it be nice? sure it would be nice it would be nice if we didn't sin at all it's not going to happen they are not required and so let's not make a new rule a new command that the bible doesn't have would you go to Grace Community Church if Eileen Gray was your daughter would I go to Grace Community Church well see that's why you can't answer a question because that would affect me personally now I've got some skin in the game it's like the guy that jumped on my daughter or did something violate my daughter could I sit on the bus right beside him? no could you? yes, why? see what we do sometimes is we want to make the emotional argument and then that governs that would be hard for me I look at my daughters as though they are gold do I look at your daughters the same way I look at my daughter? no there's four billion other daughters on the planet I don't look at them the same way I look at mine your comments brother yeah man that's that's pretty unfortunate and you said how many subscribers he has? he's at 105,000 now well from a biblical perspective every leader that I see in scripture that I can recall right now that sin in public God responded to that sin in public right? that if you have influence yeah man that's a lot of things that I hear that I don't want to be rash in my comment public sin as a leader will require public repentance we can go right to two texts we can go to Matthew 18 we can go to Matthew 3 we can go to Matthew 18 we can go to Matthew 5 we can go to Matthew 2 and how do we know when a person who has been put out of the church publicly is to be restored publicly there must be repentance there must be and this brother didn't hold to this view before and so this is my point there's a switch, there's a flip okay this is if there is if there is a switch and I'm going to repeat this statement again if there is a switch in doctrine in beliefs without explanation it's usually an indicator another spirit is working to cover other sins right to cover things and but that's unfortunately because there's a variety, Paul says it in Corinthians that okay it's enough, forgive him it's right it's enough, restore him back it's enough now because we can be ignorant to say devices it's enough the discipline it's done its purpose receive him back at some point at some point John, Mark and Paul had to make up it's right for Paul to ask him on his deathbed pretty much I need him bro there got to be some type of repentance demonstrated for the sake of the body we're not talking about the personalities for the sake of the people who are going to be influenced right how do you rebuke a sinning elder in the presence of all and lay your hands suddenly oh no man don't be quickly to restore them to position of responsibility if repentance was not necessary come on bro come on repentance is necessary but yeah man just hearing that that's unfortunate and as a pastor just hearing the comments that a person yes you have a different natural affection for your family but as a pastor if I see another brother another sister family I'm going for them too my heart pursues them too you're part of the family of God man there's one blood come on bro you love your family but you're part of the body of Christ who is my mother and my brother he who does the will of my father that's it it don't matter if my if I see your family member being abused and I'm your brother come on bro and I don't intervene I don't love you or them that's it bro you don't have to be part of my immediate family for me to extend help facts come on bro that's ludicrous man you don't have the spirit of God in you you don't have to be the Samaritan on the road had no commonality right he bandaged up the wolves bro yes sir you don't have to close ties to do what the right thing to do because the Holy Spirit lives in you I don't quite understand that comment so I just wanted to get your thoughts about that I was going to play one more clip but I think that's enough I was going to talk about the Alan Parr and him saying that he's building a bridge with Marcus Rogers versus he would use this brother used Acts 9 yes he did he used Acts 9 of Paul being converted and wanting to come back and wanting to come into the church and he compared Marcus Rogers who denies the Trinity who denies the eternality of the Triune Godhead with Paul and said he's building a bridge Alan Parr again subscribers pastor one million in counting goes on YouTube and says he's building a bridge with a heretic like Marcus Rogers and again this is why people like me when I sound off on these things the attacks come but you already know like you mentioned earlier today we have to be built for this God has to equip you and I for this if this was not my calling bro do y'all think I need this kind of garbage this kind of crap I don't but God has equipped me he's called me to be on the wall he's called me to sound the alarm he's called me to use this platform and whatever he's called me to do he never promised it was going to be easy he did promise to be with me when it doesn't become easy and that's it so I just wanted to tell you man thank you for sharing your heart and sharing your thoughts about this but I wanted to end this on a lighter note I wanted to end this on a lighter note you love God right with all your heart brother with all your heart all your soul all your mind okay okay you believe that everything that God created is good and nothing to be refused to be received with thanks given for the sanctified by the word God in prayer according to 1st 25 1st 24 I just got one question to ask you there's been a debate in the body of Christ and I believe some debates are necessary some debates can be an eternal issue brother so I want to ask you when you eat grits you eat grits no I don't but my wife eats grits your wife eats grits you marry to your wife right okay if I would ask your wife what goes on grits does the sugar go on grits or the salt pepper and butter go on I just need to know for the sake of heaven for the sake of the kingdom of God because there's division in the camp brother we need a divine word from the Lord to tell people what the word of God says about these grits that sugar don't go on grits well I tell you what my wife would never put sugar on no grits hallelujah she'd never put no sugar on her grits salt is the only thing I really see her put on but she don't put no sugar on her grits no sugar on her grits that's abomination that's abomination you put sugar on grits your salvation you got to pray for me because my wife she puts sugar on her grits and there's been some division in the kingdom so I'm going to need prayer maybe your wife but I tell you what I've heard some southerners like my wife is originally from up north okay right yeah so am I from Detroit yeah so she's from Milwaukee, Wisconsin so I've heard some southerners like some southerners like you know you know I go camp we put sugar on everything I would say that's crazy I don't know what they did I mean southerners put sugar on rice that's ridiculous I've seen that too yeah that's so where's your wife from oh she's from here she's from Texas she dips her biscuits from Popeyes and ketchup don't ask me why I mean listen I love her to death I don't know what spirit that is that's not a Texas thing though I don't know what that is all I know is that's a different spirit we talk about spirits tonight that's a different spirit what that is but I say that because a lot of people brother a lot of people on this chat people have been battling with each other regarding whether sugar on grits whether just salt pepper and butter you know that's what the word of God I believe salt pepper and butter gonna be at the mass up of the lamb those who gonna be eating sugar on their grits they gonna probably be on other mansions that's further down down the streets to go but it reminded me of people who make these votes and make these decisions about whether sugar on grits and so since people since your wife is a person like myself that have a taste and a palate for the natural texture for grits that are being salt pepper and butter I know that there are people here in the chat that are just bristling and they are just upset and they probably warring and going back and forth like this check this out I don't know what this world is coming to God come on man I mean come on man come on man come on man hey bro come on now dawg come on man yeah there's a war in the kingdom brother there's a war going on in the kingdom of oh my goodness yeah bro I had to end it like that I had to end it on the light of no man but I appreciate you brother man let people know about your ministry man where they can reach out to you I know people have already gotten the books and that's a blessing but if people want to connect with you I know you have a Twitter page you don't really go on it too much but it is active but how can people reach out to you man and see some words of encouragement brother go right ahead oh they can just Tavaresrobson.org that's my personal website you can contact me there that's pretty much the most convenient way yeah they sent me a Twitter page but I'm not going to say I'm not really on social media like that but yeah really Tavares Robison my web page is my personal page is how you contact me okay good good good alright well brother listen man blessings to you man and to the wife man we got the website right there on the screen Tavaresrobson.org is the site there for those who may want to get it go and support this brother's ministry get the book it is definitely a blessing you will not be disappointed whatsoever at all and so again just want to thank you personally brother give you your flowers topside man thank you so much for joining thank you for taking time out of your business schedule this brother has to preach tomorrow he flew in from California back home on you said yesterday late last night I believe and so it's a labor of love that this brother took the time out of his schedule y'all and gave me two hours and some change of his time and so I believe it was well worth it and I pray God's blessing to be upon you on your family on your ministry and on your life with women brother thank you brother we definitely be keeping in touch thank you for your support brother thank you for your prayers thank you for the tangible expression of love that you have shown to me and this family here with the BCV channel love life and marriage with the woods brother thank you so much I appreciate the opportunity alright brother take care you said man I'll talk to you soon bro alright now take care man listen y'all that is another live chalk it up put it down on the books put it down in the books this brother bless my soul I was I was able to eat good I ate some good food tonight spiritually speaking and physically but thank you brother brother Tavares thank you Pastor man for helping me make this live to be a blessing and hopefully everyone was blessed by the by the stream and by the live as well too so anyway again thank you all for for joining us tonight and thank you for those of you in the chats moderators thank you for holding it down in the comment section we do appreciate it so much and just making sure everything is good on my end here but yeah thank you all for making this live a success thank you for the confirmation that the Lord used this brother to speak a word to my heart and to everyone else that has needed to hear this you said can you make it clear that Cory has not explained anything he has not he has not yeah confirmation all around absolutely absolutely and I know if you haven't seen this live you're gonna have to watch it again there's some bombs and some nuggets and some truth bombs being dropped tonight so I'm encouraged I'm blessed so thank you thank you again Pastor Tavares thank you so much man for taking time to share with us tonight so again if you'd like to 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