 Well, yeah, we've been under the heel of the storm for quite some time. It's been weird. It's one of the first times I walked outside. I was really blown over. I was like, whoa Yes The the the first day the storm came in it tore off the front of a sort of flat block on my state because there was a satellite dish that was Nailed to the wall and it just took the wind quarter and tore the whole bloody wall out Yeah That is that is the funny thing with us though in good old Britain the most extreme thing we usually get is just like Minor compared to other countries extremes. Oh Yeah, it's wonderful. It's rather windy over here It's never very hot. It's never very cold and nothing really too dramatic happens. And I love it. I like it. Yeah People like move to America. It's like no dramatic things happen in America true We have a earthquakes hurricanes. No volcanoes on the mainland though Yeah, I mean Mount St. Helens that blew decades ago. So if we don't probably have to worry about that That blew already. It's fine. What about what about the national parks? Isn't like Yellowstone Yeah, isn't that like a horrifying sort of Damocles over America as well over the world? Yeah um No, she'd be fair. It'll just destroy America and cripple all air traffic for the next hundred years So what do you mean? No, there's media lied to me all I've ever known about Yellowstone Is this is it's a horrifying monster waiting to happen? I had no idea it was a horrifying monster waiting to happen. I think it is actually a legit concern Yeah, if that thing blows it's basically over for humans Yeah, oh, well, uh It was here when we found it It's not our fault We didn't do it damn Indians The people blame America for it. This is our land. Yeah, it is your land It's your volcano. You saw it out. Yes Why did you do this? Why can't they just put a cork in it? I don't know I don't know why they've angered the spirit so much. Why can't they just like um ease the pressure like drill boreholes or something? I don't know I mean the problem is if we make a hole like it's basically a very large balloon filled with a loss of explosive if we were to bore a hole into it um We'd be releasing all of that. What if we cut all the way around it and really deep and then throw it into space with that Is that Is that viable? It's less destructive than trying to bore a hole into it. I guess All right. Well, see we're getting there. This is this is how you solve problems brainstorm Space is our ally here. Let's just build another mountain on top of it It's It's approximately 4,000 cubic kilometers of lava. So not that much No, it's a it's a tiny bit. I mean, what if we put a volcano inside it? And then they cancel each other out, right? You could actually fit quite a few volcanoes inside of it. No Again, we'll put that idea on the maybe side Um, all right. Well, yes, everybody. Welcome to efap number 74, which is oddly similar to to 64 Where my internet was rudely interrupted by A bunch of wiring It was funny because it's all been fixed now quote-a-quote I'm just like swear to god something happens again because it was weather that did it last time And it's like I hope we don't have any bad weather in britain as of recently and it's like Yeah We're only in the middle of like a decade defining storm, but it's okay. We're four minutes in we got a beat 20 Well 25, I think it was if we get to half an hour that means that we've beaten the record guys. So not bad Um, yeah, I'm gonna try and quickly get through in in our little introduction here Some uh, some some of the stream labs from last episode is the only thing that we didn't get to cover before We were cut off rudely by a YouTube system You are there, right Rex YouTube's always improving streaming system Well, a lot of a lot of people like could you really complain they give you a 12 hour Libit and you're like it's not enough. It's like well It's just it's racist to long men. That's that's my position I think that it discriminates long men and that we should it should be stopped. Um Anyway, so this says, uh, hey mooper my friend. Jamie wants to know your take on the tenderized mechanic in monster hunter world What are your thoughts? tenderized mechanic I I'm not even 100% sure of what that is and you guys play monster hunter world No, but I'm interested in a tenderized mechanic Because I I've played it quite a bit and I don't remember a tenderized mechanic from um, never tenderized those monsters Never tenderized those big old beasties Yeah, you know what I will I'm gonna put I'm gonna put a little note on that with with chase and the next time he's on I will try and ask him what it is so that he can tell me and then I can tell you what uh I think of such a thing Uh, also hi das and j if you're still there wolf rags. Love you massives Um Mutually would it be all right if I email you a structured response to your points on westworld I know your level of accuracy inconsistency enough to trust your take And assume that I have a bias or lack of information, but I don't want to waste your time You probably aren't too invested in it and are a busy massive. So yeah, the problem is I haven't thought about westworld since When did season one come out like 2015 2016 17 16? I think it was but Yeah, my points aren't gonna be relatively weak until I rewatch it and I don't plan to so I appreciate the uh The interest but you're probably not going to be able to get much out of me because I'll just be like Oh, is that how it was? I'd have to go check but I'm too busy watching uh Other thing oscar movies. That's probably been watching lately Um of which a lot of them are very good. I don't know if we'll need to talk about that at some point Maybe me and rags can uh Discuss the oscar winners at some point maybe um I have a subconscious bias or I'm missing information I'd love to if it could be some sort of discussion if you have the time to message. Thank you Yeah, like I said, I my westworld knowledge is very thin right now Toward the end of january, I've already seen a lot of e-fap episodes, but I was still missing out on some law I've been watching from episode one since and I'm halfway through episode 29 Washed over five days of e-fap in two weeks of losing sanity. You'll get there You'll get there. It'll be fine Yeah, it's a log uh, I'm curious what we get to like episode 200 If it's even going to be possible for people to actually watch from the beginning anymore Now it'll be like days of our lives or something. Mm-hmm. We're about the time you watch them all Years have been made Uh, when you read my lord the rings e-fap speech I had a huge smile hearing jay clap at the end and then when you pointed out He hasn't even uh, seen the third films. He wouldn't get the reference that jointed ashes it by Yep, he's like the only person I've ever met who it's even worse than you think sargon right So not only is he not seen the lord rings trilogy. He watched fellowship and then stopped Why Yes, that is the ongoing mystery that is jay. He doesn't even think it was bad. He was just like, yeah I just lost interest. It's like how Well, it's only an epic quest maul. I don't worry, but like if you remember how that film ends It's like oh Look at all this potential You got the three main warriors are going to go try to save two kidnapped members of the crew While two others fallen off the cliff, isn't he? Yeah, yeah that too. I guess he's gone. Yeah Is this and you got for that samofrodos seeing mordor in the distance like who knows what's going to happen I just love the idea of being like well, that's that's me. I'll stop there I'm sure they manage it. That was good I mean, I know they're going to put the ring in the volcano. There's no point Uh Well, you know Kidnap jay and force him to watch lord the rings with rhino milk Or rhino milk for oh my god Once more the log men will rule Objectivity that we shall have phaps. Oh my god Come on board with this take my money, please very well The eye hit everything conversation made me upset on rags behalf He keeps talking about the lack of communication I'm not wanting to continue the issue yet. He was the one who was sniping avoiding communication and kept misrepresenting rags in later podcasts bark Yeah, he could have said uh some to me anytime you wanted That's one of the things I brought up was that uh, I tried to organize a conversation several times and he uh kept Sort of delaying or ignoring and then just leaving alone, but then simultaneously kept sniping So it was just like why are you doing this? Why can't we have a conversation? But then we eventually did so it all worked out kind of Um conversation ring balls opposition. Why would you want this when you can just Monologue conversation is boring. I prefer everyone just talking in general and sometimes it connects up like you're like Oh, that sounded like a response, but no just everyone just say whatever they want Hey guys, glad you enjoyed my little call with matt. Oh, yeah, that video was funny Um having something I made on ifa was a surprise treat that made my day. Thank you massives first crack at editing Sorry, the music audio jumped out. It's more of a meme for my viewers. That's fine Um, we we saw a video where monday matt was asked if he likes efap and he was like no I don't even know what that is and then a little bit later He explains that like he knows us relatively well and that he knows We're familiar with his work and don't like it and all this other stuff. We're like, so you do know what we are Like I know I know what they talk about on efap But simultaneously I have no idea who they are Don't even know who they are, but I Regarding the movie bob quiz. Who do you believe appeared on a live segment on cnn to discuss trump's tweets richard spencer or cinema roberto? The answer might shock you. There's no fucking way cinema robert was on cnn. Really? Was it? Can you imagine them having richard spencer on? Wait, so what are the was? Yeah official analyst If I was to choose one of them I probably would pick richard spencer just because I can't actually picture movie bob being on tv Like I just can't he's he's in a different realm. He's just the internet dude He'd just be introduced as the most relevant man This is human visionary Yeah Uh, what are we some kind of avian predators begittius baggie balls? That's a That that name will just consistently change for the better the eye at everything conversation made me appreciate rags video even more Give him infinite headpats belly rubs butt scratches. All right, and even the precise tickles behind the ears rags You're an objectively good boy. Oh, oh, thank you Uh rags, would you and your clone poop together with the door open? No, we would never poop together with a door open. I live alone and I closed the door Moeller and his clone lock it if someone was here moeller and his clone would wage an endless war of response videos Critiquing each other criticizing each other until they die of old age. This is true. Very true We would you would run a second efap podcast um The nega efap or something Just uh, just two more. Have you used metastream before? I find it's miles better than watched together except for occasional audio issues But that might be on my side. I actually find sync video to be the best Sorry if you've talked about it before still catching up on efaps um With watch together I kind of get lulled into a sense of security with it and I don't actually look for backups But then the second it goes down for like even an hour. I'm like panicking like oh, fuck I need to Check it out later. Yeah, so Uh, I pull it up on another page. It would make sense that there would be good alternatives and we probably should find one That's a good backup. I suppose Uh, clarifying box office joker worldwide made one billion 71 million while tross made 1 billion 59 million or 50 you can call us 60 million if I rounded up actually Round them both up Joker is only 12 million ahead but had no china release and tross is barely making anything daily at the moment So it's very possible that it'll actually fall short of joker not to mention that uh star wars does badly in china, right? Like they don't like it Yeah, it does really badly too diverse Those bastards. Why didn't I like rose tico? She was great I'm I'm a wrong kind of asian damn Okay It might actually well be that it's the wrong kind of asian who knows the chinese have strong opinions of other asians All asians have strong opinions of other asians. You know what? And yeah, that does it for uh We caught up with everything from last stream We just haven't caught up with everything from every stream But I feel like this might be the stream of me and rags can really assault that today It's gonna be great. That'll be later on though But now it's funny if you go to her imdb kelly mary trans it says she is an actress known for star wars The last jedi star wars the rise of sky walker and hot girls on the beach what It's not a movie I take it she was like an ice cream stall as an extra Hot girls on the beach In the hot girls on the beach I want to watch one of those movies and it isn't stars Damn, why are you like a sexist or something? Why would you hate hot girls on the beach is the only one with a positive rating? Damn critics hated it but the audience went wild It's 5.4 out of 10 right now It's an action comedy much like star wars I guess They're just action comedies I wonder if she'll do how how her career is gonna go now that star wars is done. I wonder if they'll give her a disney show Tico a star wars story Like you're are we gonna see her with the little wand making the mouse ears magic lines in the corner like the disney uh channel She could be those of those one of those throwaway presenters on like a toddler show basically Yeah, she could pull that off. I think I believe in you cali you can do don't let your dreams be memes Do whatever you need to do So, uh, I still think a whole trilogy with her as a protagonist would be hilarious and the they should consider it at this point Because stars is a joke Fuck it. Why not? I think diversity sells I think if there's one thing we've learned from all this is diversity just sells We do buddy cop so much money disney It's gonna get so many views you should make her not not just the the protagonist But basically the sole character of or trilogy of movies just her trapped in a room No here with jar jar trapped in a room Her natural it'll really it'll work well with her natural charisma you see so Man, I come it was the what was the last film where literally her like one line is to berate the neck beard. It's like Could you not be so negative mister neck beard and he's just like, all right Yeah, and it's like bitch. We're all about to die But yeah, so Oh, sorry, we're only out number 2000 to one and we have one ship. I apologize for my negativity I take you didn't see the thousand Star destroyers out there. Fuck sake. Oh, that was the time to tone police is it? I don't know if we actually uh We mentioned this odd e-fax. I don't even discuss it about twitter But uh, jenny nicolson is one of the people we've covered previously and she um You put out a tweet saying that the the retcon of holders maneuver was dumb saying it was a one in a million shop because really It wasn't even that like good of a thing like sure it hurt one of the main ships Yes, and it destroyed a few other smaller ones But like come on you don't need to retcon that you can just it wasn't that big of a deal And it's like you look at the scene it wiped out like fucking 15 star destroyers I think that's significant And it completely breaks the signs behind weapon rain star Yeah, if you can do that then just building a warp cable engine and attaching it to a few hundred kilograms of metal And you have an anti capital torpedo Yeah, I mean literally every a wing has a hyperdrive Just put a fucking droid piloting it in it and then suddenly you have just just build factories producing droids and a wings And then that's it Will you extend this to the point as well where they'll be like no I needs to be really big mess and that doesn't make any sense in terms of how this works But fuck it. Let's just say that's true. It's like okay get a meteor attach a hyperdrive to it You're done. Then we'll just we'll just big a build a big ship and then drive them through other ships It'll just be essentially empty, you know It's an amazing weapon. It and then the star destroyers every star destroyer having a planet destroying weapon on it I'm just fuck off. I'm done just Like energy matters Let's yeah, well all you have to say to JJ's like let's scale it down a notch. Let's go down Just go back to the lens flare JJ. It was safer It ruined the franchises. It is it is a real meme though. Like you go Big old sphere of doom death style. Like how do you make that better make it like fucking planet size instead of moon size? All right, like oh wow JJ nailed it. How do you make your planet sized one? Like better and he's like what about Not a bigger one, but more of them and you're like, oh like two and he's like no you go three five ten He's like no thousands Okay, press control v repeatedly and want to be so satisfying that you'll get wiped out by one floor and you're like, uh I guess I could work. What's the floor? They don't know how to go up Yeah, only one of them has a satellite dish on them None of them none of them are aware of the fact that they are all perfectly aligned and could simply just Go up just look down. Where's the floor go opposite of that? It's really really to get up into the air. They must like some pilot must have had, you know An up button that he was pressing just keep pressing it Well, the the interesting thing is someone made a comparison I don't if you remember but in avengers their their tech gets knocked out and a guy says I think fury says head to the east and he's like I don't know where east is and then he just says is the sun coming up put it on the left like a simple way to sort of Figure out something that an instrument has previously been telling them But this isn't even that like this is up and down like how do you? How do you write this? It's so embarrassing. They are all already perfectly oriented It's not like they're just in a a chaotic jumble or anything. No, they're all pointing with the roof upwards Turn off the artificial gravity and see which way people fall I just I just feel like if you're a stormtrooper and you're not like an idiot You're sitting in the command center and they're like, we don't know which way is up. You'll sit there like I um Can I I mean? I could I have an idea You're probably sitting there thinking god. We're all gonna die Like these fucking idiots But how else do you destroy all of them after creating this enormous threat, you know, that's that's all that was It was so desperate. We created the enormous now ridiculous I think their original idea the one with uh Alien cavalry charging across the hull of a stardust story in a totally breathable atmosphere, by the way Constantly riveted by fucking massive lightning storms. I think if they just didn't do that thousand times that'd be way better I really like the idea giving with giving joker the osco is a mistake man that cavalry charge deserved the fucking osco I think every osco should have gone to rise the sky walker. Just for the meme swept it swept it And it was nominated for none of them as well. Like let's have it that way. It just cubs it as a harsh winner um I also love that star destroyers being planted into the ground. It's so funny like why Why it's the stupidest. Why why would anyone like are we are we I mean how many how long is the star destroyer? It's like two miles long or something, right? It's fucking big If if we guess that there's a thousand people on each star destroyer, right? And that's surely like gonna be families and everything, right? So the you know, it's gonna be like a mini city itself So all these people agreed to live underground for an indeterminate Period of time and just I don't know what build the star stories just live on them I mean what yeah, how long were they prepared to stay there? So each star destroyer has 28,000 people on it. What? No, yeah. Yeah. Tell him how many Tell everybody's on the supremacy. That's even funnier. Oh, okay Uh, let me make sure let me double check and make sure that I don't say something ridiculous here Yeah, wait, so You remember the supremacy from the last Jedi, right? Yeah. Yeah. So the the crew of the let me see the crew of the supremacy is Let's see two million two hundred twenty five thousand Just make the larger it'll be impressive Where did they get their food? We well this we've discussed this before I was like There must be a whole society and culture on there that's completely dissimilar to anything in the galaxy It must be amazing like this is legit science fiction stories of how life and culture and families change and evolve over time Living on starships for their entire life as they cross the galaxy This is battle star galactica stuff, but they're just like, I don't know just 2.2 million people on a starship. It's fine They're just flying around. They're just hanging out what patrolling the hallways Never being exposed to natural light Like they've never seen a tree coming. Yeah becoming like space hobbits or dwarves or something Yeah, they would be they'd get shorter and everything useless resources I think it's so much unrest in the families of the supremacy in the lower levels or whatever there's so much you can do with that This is why in 40k the lower levels are literally slave pits where some human slaves Pale deformed monsters that have never seen the sun live Like they have no idea they're on a ship. They worship the ship as a god like it's their world Oh, wow makes sense This way for episode 10 it'll fix it all So anyway, are they making another one? Oh, uh, they will eventually but for now. I think they're still figuring out what they're even gonna do For now, they've had enough defeats like like if the four of us were in a ballroom They're like, what's nice for star wars. I'm pretty sure we don't be like, well, you kind of fucked it. So I mean I I guess we're just going like 5 000 years in the future to get as far away from this nonsense as we possibly can Everything clean and then just be like what no no that never happened. What what are you even talking about? Just do what isn't you know, uh with JJ Abrams' star trek didn't isn't it called like a different timeline or whatever the uh his his movies Um, is it prime versus kelvin or something like that? And my point is just that maybe do that. Maybe just go. Yeah, the uh episodes 8 79 canon the whole thing not even that let's give them We'll compromise we'll tell them you can keep it as quote-unquote canon, but put it in a different fucking parallel universe You can have it good. Just it's over there. That effectively is decanonizing. Well, yeah, but you know It's everything, but yeah But yeah, just essentially all of this was a fucking mistake and we're sorry we'll never speak of it again It's like if it was put into its separate universe And then everybody who comes in to make a new story gets to choose between those two universes to make a story Do you think they'd ever choose the sequel universe? No Why the fuck would I do that? I used to watch um a guy called confuse Matthew and his like uh breakdowns of it And I really really enjoyed his breakdowns of the prequels, but honestly looking back at it I just feel oh christ. We're being so massively unfair. The prequels seem really interesting compared to what we got Like I just I think so. Yeah, I can't believe I can't believe at the time. I was so invested in these prequels being shit No, they're amazing now. Like pop these doing things We just didn't now You know, you know, they talk about how laughs is a reaction to shock and stuff If you have someone telling you that the day is saved because a human being doesn't know which way up is You laugh, but ultimately you're like, do you think I'm this stupid? Like do you think I'm actually that stupid and they're like, well, I don't know Well, the the prequels never gave me that sense. The prequels never felt like they were like, you're an idiot. It was like, no At least they had at least they had two navigation systems. You gotta give them that they had a backup Did they know which way left and right where I thought they should have just traveled around the the planet And gotten away that way just to spread themselves out a bit instead of putting them all right next to each other and they're not doing anything Or literally just dropped like a ball and go like well, it fell down I guess we got the opposite direction. And this is the big solution. I mentioned this in my video Palpatine push him up with a force. You did it already sort of push you know, which way is up I can't believe you've got like 10,000 death stars and you just die Decades of planning wasted Man by tens of thousands of people requiring Fathomable millions of resources of food of water all constructed on a dead Empty world good And you losing the first battle you don't even Because they saw you really a battle is it like they They got a false sense of confidence They build up because Palpatine's like oh and just in case things go pear shaped What I can do is I could literally reach my hands in the air and stun the entire enemy fleet We cannot lose this. There's no way that point. You're like palps. How did you lose your resources were intense There's like 30 dudes showed up with some spaceships It's what some speed forces like we know the cavalry charge coming and to be fair. I believe them Yeah, yeah, I can't really argue. I didn't say it. I mean the power's so stupid I remember us talking about the trailer Uh when that first came out I'm talking like months ago, and I'm pretty sure Fringy said like you can just tilt the ship Surely like all the way back there. This is like you see it in the film. You're like, yeah And I remember um Someone said like oh, but there's a danger of course if you tilt the ship What about all the men inside the ship and uh if there's no artificial gravity on in order to be able to Tilt the people on the outside like some real stretch in terms of it can happen I just like the counter is just like you try to save your entire fleet Some people could get knocked over in your ship. It's okay. Yeah, yeah that they fall over and get back up. Sorry It'll be fine. It's put out on the bounce, but everybody haggard surely they'll be fine It'll be worth it because they won't explode as a result. So it's it's for the best trust me We'll pay out on any compensation claims. We have to pay out. Okay Do you remember that jam the speeders? Someone just said it in chat. It's like, what the hell? Where did that come from? Have we seen that before jam the speeders? Like the because when did that pride thinks that they're on top of his ship with speeders And then the reveal is they're not speeders at all dun dun dun is horses space horses But it's like jam the speeders. When was that a thing? Well, it was a thing around the same time as hyperspace suddenly started functioning completely different ways Hmm At least at least he eludes they're being jamming in a universe where the top secret access codes of the imperium is Fucking stolen left right and center Oh, well, um, I just realized we're already already running out of time considering how long you you fellas may or may not be here So we should probably just jump into this video if I can find a good slot I will try and ask you some of the questions that came in for you last time But I already know there's gonna be a bunch that come in this time as well I think we'll just have to Maybe the next time you call any fact, we won't even cover a video It'll just be talking and answering questions or something or make it work PSA superchatters don't send in questions. It's it's unlikely. They'll be able to answer them this time around for a while But you know, whatever you want to do, I'll save them if you do It's just I'm just saying it could be some time before they get to see him That is the watch together link Jump in Um, so this this video I can't remember how I found this always was giving it But it's called 10 floors with the starship troopers mobile infantry And it's a part of the best space marine series. I'm guessing they compare and contrast all kinds of fictional space marines So before before we watch this, um, I'm not adverse to the idea of that being flaws. Oh, yeah Gotta be you know, I don't I don't trees a retarded organization militarily speaking just sir It's not retarded, but it's I I mean It's one way of doing things it depends on the Canon that we're using if it's just a movie canon and it's just the first film then Yeah, it's not the best. It's just like a modern military, but the book cannons pretty good You know that's kind of pretty effective. Will we be allowed to use the book as defences if this is only about the film though I'm done. It depends what it says true Um, but yeah, I only saw I think like a minute or two of this with rags once upon a time So I'm I'm not actually sure what to expect. I look mostly forgotten it, but Yeah, I'm expecting a little bit I'm expecting excitement Oh, hang on. There we go. All right. Well, yeah, I'm good to go. Is everyone else Yeah, exciting Okay Our war is going better than ever But we need heroes We need you Hello my human brethren and sister and welcome back to episode of generation films. Oh my goodness My name is American Ben the long hasn't started playing on mine. Do I need to refresh? Oh shit? Let me uh, let me reboot a few Is it working now? A fourth person has joined Could it be how about now? For some reason it's it's not playing. It's just uh, what do you see is it a different video? Is it like a black screen? Okay, if I just press Our war is going better than ever Yes Yeah, is that working for you? So yeah, yeah, so if you press play Yeah, we all we all collectively control the play pause, but you control your own volume I know we're supposed to be able to but it doesn't look like it's working on my end Oh, but uh, do you want to try playing it and I'll let you know if it works Go on But we need heroes We need you Is that working? Hello my yep. Excellent. Okay. All right. We're at we're at 10 seconds We're seeing our presenter for the day this wonderful gentleman. Yes. He is an interesting looking character with a very dirty shirt That's your opinion human brethren and sister and welcome back to episode of generation films My name is American Ben the long course of history is complicated It is mired in conflict war bloodshed the limitless brutalization of humankind There are times when looking out upon the Why was that your choice of visual? I mean you could have picked literally any historical movie that historical time period Or actual photographs of things that have happened Or artistic renderings Apes riding horses and spears I like the idea that The closest we have to monkeys in human history never tamed horses. Okay, just to make that very clear I was just I was thinking like what if someone watched this they were like, oh shit. That was real That actually did happen. Oh my god a great human chimp war. Yeah, it was A lot of losses a lot of human life lost a lot of ape life lost as well Mostly life. Yes The world as it stands today that it's hard to look forward to the future It's a struggle to find hope when so many evils pervade our planet. I don't know about that Yeah, this we are living in an unprecedented golden age. I'd like to point out. We have never had it this well I think there are things to look forward to It's all right There are bad things too. Just a hang on hang on. There was um There was a study that was released and a survey that was released relatively recently actually that showed that Like something like 90 percent of people are actually optimistic at the moment Oh because of you know the way the economy is going and all this sort of stuff Like people are actually looking forward to the bit of optimism and so like going Oh, this is the worst time in human history. Well, it's really not like things have been so much worse, man just It's just Just our technology that the lives of absolute opulent luxury most of us lead If I can compare that to just a hundred years ago Well compare that to like um the the viking invasions of england, man I've just been reading up on them. I tell you one of the things that you get from like all of the source material Is this huge sense of Depression there's is melancholy like people, you know Families are being killed everyone's being raped and pillaged and like it feels like the world is falling apart And that really reflects in the poetry of the time and it's really sad reading about it And then you just look on the internet now and everyone's bickering like a bunch of children It's like okay fine. Well, everything's fine. Everything's fine I don't know about that like the viking sagas from the time seem quite optimistic honestly This this is why we're never paying our debts Look forward to the future It's a struggle to find hope when so many evils pervade our planet and yet in the face of a human society cut across racial Religious and political lines one faceless brave hero could unite us all my friends across the internet I talk of course of the space marine Okay, first and foremost, that's not a space marine. That's a primaris marine. That's a special snowflake marine Oh my god Get called out That's so anal. I love it It's a primaris marine Yeah, I love it actually Boy That's the primaris marine. They're only sticking to each other Yeah Wow rags you complain about people won't be able to look up and apparently that's okay, but this isn't Geez But not primaris maries. Mm-hmm makes complete sense to me Galactic warrior that brings humanity together in common cause against alien scum Aliens scum how rude hang on what kind of but what kind of set what kind of framing is this Humanity is going to be brought together by spacemen. What what I guess he's kind of kidding because I don't really know I don't know. Maybe it's like the space version of the salvation army or something Is the idea that if we're at that point, then we're all mostly united with one earth like force so we should I don't even know that's not all they give like with the way the new tarnis. Yeah, okay That's a corporate mercenary Like corporate mystery. Yeah, that could be the future. You never know Well, I mean, it probably will be the future to be honest, but like that's that's not like bringing humanity together in a common cause That's I want to get paid That's a fairly common cause yes everyone everyone likes the money there you go Capitalism wins again As we continue our coverage of space marines, let us raise a glass in celebration of the prospect of a future elite space force That will bond humans together as we tear every last alien. Yes, even the babies into tiny little pieces Look, I would love that mate. I would absolutely love that But you know on the other side of it are going to be some sniveling leftist going. Oh, let's give xenomorphs a chance Maybe we have you ever spoken to a xenomorph, you know Exactly. Exactly. No, no one's spoken to them because they keep dying first Nothing will ever be good enough even if we literally find an alien that literally if if it finds a way to speak to us We'll say look the only thing I desire is to eat all of humans I want them all dead all the time and there's nothing you can do to stop me They'll be like, well, we probably shouldn't eradicate them. It's like no, that's exactly what did we do to make them feel this way Yeah, I'm doing a picturing a youtube video there. It's like sitting down with a xenomorph and it's like a nice little fireplace at a table two armchairs and he's like yes, I really don't appreciate a lot of the media surrounding Xenomorph. Yeah, and then it's very upsetting. Yeah, but then you then you flick to the next video and it's destiny and Arguing it's like someone else going well. No, what about the Xenomorph's feelings on this? You know, have we considered the Xenomorphs? I mean, that's a fallacy. Blah blah blah and it all fucked me Bet you haven't considered the Xenomorphs I haven't Wow, well, maybe it may well if the xenomorphs are happy when they eat people If they're happier to eat the person Then the person is sad to be eaten then the total happiness in the universe has increased Yeah, if five xenomorphs get to eat one person and the five people become happy and what That's literally the cuck arguments. It's okay. If everyone shags my wife Again, it's all comes back to destiny's arguments on why it's okay to be a cuck Hey, I I could totally see it be we can make an amicable compromise where they get to kill all of our criminals. Okay We give them them Yeah, I'm not really That's totally ethical I don't feel that utilitarian ethics is meant to be used in this way like the greatest happiness has been raised therefore Feed the xenomorphs also wait. Oh, are they they're referencing criminals when they fight the bug people, I guess Yeah, aren't those like weird drone sort of things I guess we'll see I'm gonna see what this clip is as we tear every last alien. Yes, even the babies into tiny little pieces last episode Think of the fucking face huggers. Jesus. I look like living beings to face hugger Raping someone's face right didn't use because I mean that's literally what the face hugs meant to be Like a disembodied vagina that actually uses a penis to rape your mouth. Oh, no, no, it's the alien babies were tearing apart Oh, fuck's sake. Well, maybe it's only rape because you don't want to be raped Yeah Rags for president Suddenly it's not a crime That's a challenge point out if we made it a if we made it so that criminals were fed to xenomorphs crime Probably dropped to zero percent. That's true Now if people commit crimes thinking they won't get caught if there's no people there's no crime True true Alan looked at the flaws with clone troopers Today we are moving on to the starship troopers mobile infantry Now this is a little bit of a complicated thing to do because there are many different iterations of the mobile infantry Between the starship troopers novel the film universe anime television series and video game Over the next two videos We are going to do our best to focus on the movies and novel Which means in some cases because of the differences between the two Some flaws will also be advantages and we will note that throughout and for you veterans of the bug wars out there Don't forget to do your civic duty and vote in the poll at the end of this video Rating the mobile infantry on a scale of one to five. What would you guys give them out of one to five? Movies Fucking two For the most Sorry, what exactly are they are very effective in the books? How good they are being what they are. I don't know um well I mean it just seems a bit arbitrary really to do it like I need a I need a point of reference Because in in the movies this was a a war that was launched on them by the bugs So they weren't expecting it and they weren't at war with anyone else So it they didn't have they didn't have very much in the way of like, you know trained soldiery and all soldiers are I don't say incompetent, but you know lack morale and lack experience when they're when they're new no matter how well they're trained um So it doesn't seem very fair because everyone's going to be thinking of clandathu right and the the defeat on clandathu But that was their first battle, wasn't it? Whereas they're very unprepared the way they portray Yeah, the first time they'd actually fought any of the any of the bugs, but by the end of it They're just slapping them around that there's no problem. So You know, I don't see anything wrong with the the federation Army at the time, you know for the for what it is in the setting like an intrinsic kind of base level Yeah, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with any of it But compared to what is in the books where they're engaged in intergalactic politics With you know, they're already at war with the skinnies They use they've already got this professional military corps that has you know jumpsuits and mechsuits and all the sort of shit Yeah, they're nowhere near that obviously, but you know, it was scaled down for the movie I think they're wonderful hashtag stash of troopers for life There's no way they could have improved I was trying to think it's like I guess an example of them being efficient would probably be when They're at the compound, right? They've got a pretty good kill death ratio at that compound They still lose, but it's not really fair Kind of I think I think his militaries go. I mean you they've they're still They'd still be one of the best militaries on earth. Just give them the training and discipline they've got I mean loads of armies. It's just so much like less competently run The thing is their complete lack of heavy ordinance like they are pathetically under equipped in that regard Presumably that That's like would be picked up by like the ships or they'd be given that or something like that, right? Because I mean these are just an infantry unit Well, that's the thing from what we see in the movies Their ships do not appear capable of engaging surface targets to any great degree Their infantry is wearing flak west level protection and machine guns They do not appear to have any armored heavily armored vehicles Their aircraft to look massively underwhelming I mean the tactical bomber is terrible You'd expect to see a lot more tanks and artillery and A special fighting Mobile war against monster insects like squishing infantry would be the last thing you'd really want to bring Yeah Sure, they would have a perfect thing to the for the bugs to actually kill doesn't it She get gas bombs a bug killer in it like the X bug spray or something. It's gotta be gotta be massive military implications for that Gas absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, and who would argue or like, oh, I can't gas the bugs. That'd be cruel Like we do it all the time on it Yeah, but there is literally gonna be some fucking annoying snowflake who's gonna be like is that, you know I'm so I'm so tired of this stuff. Is that nice. Is that ethical just no Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm beyond caring. You'll be eating your words when I've seen them all write a book and it's really insightful And it's just called the human problem Yeah, exactly On the fundamental metaphysics of humanity by the alien queen This is okay. So for those unfamiliar starship troopers is set in a future world a few centuries ahead or 700 years ahead Depending on film or book in which society is ruled by a military government called the taran federation Makes me agree It's like when people pronounce it zealot instead of zealot. I'm like zealot. Oh Wait, is he trying to say taran? Yes. Yeah Taran The iranians they control the earth now Taran yeah, it does sound like it's an actual country that took over the world or something as opposed to What what it because it means earth right taran or taran. Yeah, yeah Taran like taran. I have never heard that pronunciation ever Well, maybe we shouldn't laugh too much at one pronunciation. I pronounce loads of stuff wrong Oh, well, you know how it works. It's like when you get common words, you're really surprised Just like yeah, we all have them every once in a while I did citizen federation the story is set amidst an interstellar war between humans and an extraterrestrial Species known as arachnids or more simply bugs the plot follows Juan Johnny Rico as he enters military service And rises through the mobile infantry ranks to general in this video We have to favor the mobile infantry in the films just a little bit Because the mobile infantry in the books is much superior True The first flaw we are going to cover starts in bootcamp training We do see in the films that the mobile infantry recruits do face harsh training practices The federation forces even make push Yeah, maybe excessive in terms of I wouldn't call that training I think a lesson was learned that day I think And the thing is, like, injury is only a real issue if it is permanent or debilitating. But it seems as if the medical technology in that era is just like a broken arm is just, you know, five dents in the six bay and you're done. Oh, sure. He has the thing attached to his arm and, you know, a couple of scenes later it's flying. He's on the ground going, what am I learning? Well, see, the lesson was for everyone else. For him, it was just, I'm sorry, you're the example. He's just the, he's just the poor guy. He survived up until he got shot in the head, so it's fine. He's like a knife through the hand. All of these things are relative to the medical technology you have. First training practices. The Federation forces even make pushes to lure the more talented students in the Federation to fight for them. But overall, MI training is not overly specialized. And more importantly, it often doesn't start at a young age. It depends on what you mean by specialized, but like it's no less specialized than the Spartans training. Yeah. I mean, if anything, they show us a lot of stuff that you'd want in general, physical training and stuff of that nature. I mean, in the movie, don't they even refer to how one of the, I forget the chick's name. She's going to be a pilot. And so she trains in like a different area or whatever. Yeah, sure. She joins the fleet. Yeah. And then you've got the intelligence sector as well. I think they might be referring to specialized in the form of like special forces, perhaps. There are special forces of very different skill sets, like naval invasions and infiltration, insurrection, etc. I guess they, yeah, they're looking for more because it's like generic training versus I guess for the lack of a better term, specialized training being very specific factions of the main military force infantry anyway. But yeah, I mean, these people are just being trained to be grunts. Yeah. Infantry grunts. And again, these aren't necessarily the special forces that depends again on the book. In the book, the mobile infantry are the special forces. They're the best of the best. In the movie, they seem far more like a mass recruit army. Yeah. They seem like cannon fodder pretty much, which is a little bit and then the reference to the Spartans, I think he said was because they're not trained from a very young age. Yeah. Well, that too is because of their philosophy of politics. You can't take on the responsibilities of the body politics at a very young age. And they're, they're, they're, they're also pros and cons to training from a very early age, surely. Like it's not definitively a plus to train them from super early. No, no, no, it is defensively a plus to train your soldiers from childhood. The thing is the Galactic Federation or the Terran Federation, whichever we're talking about, it's not, it's not a tyrannical society. They've got a society to run. Yeah. It's free. That's kind of what I'm referring to when I say it's not definitively a plus in terms of there's lots of implications that come along with it. If you're going to enforce something like that, there'll be, there'll be ripple effects. Yeah. Yeah. I militarily, obviously it's the most efficient way of getting the best soldiers, but they're not, they're a free society. All of this is done by choice. All right. Yeah. It'd be cool if he sort of develops a specialized thing to fight for them. But overall, am I training is not overly specialized? And more importantly, it often doesn't start at a young age, like the great soldiers of history and lore. We see many recruits joining the mobile infantry as young adults, as is going out. Oh, that was an unfair characterization. Like you look at you, they bring up the spot and it's like, well, they're trained from earlier. Yeah, sure. But you have tons of examples of incredibly effective fighting forces that are not trained from your head. The modern day Delta, the Green Berets, the seals, you know, it's not incumbent upon them being trained from an early age as the quality of the military training and also be a political indoctrination. This is why you saw the German Wehrmacht being able to stand up to retarded odds again and again, holding their positions against enemy tanks. Completely bereft of anti-tank weaponry and they weren't trained like that. Like kids, they were just soldiers, but they had superior training in morale. And that's yeah, morale, that's the key factor in almost all warfare, I think. Most warfare isn't actually about just murdering your opponents on mass. That's something that was only really possible in the 20th century. It's getting them to surrender. It's getting them to not want to fight exactly. It's it's about breaking the morale and making them run away. And most war was based on that. And and that I mean, don't be wrong. He is he is right when he says decades of training from from childhood. That's definitely the you know, that will give you excellent like stock infantry, you know, the the the basic sort of level of the quality that you've got. But it like Arch points out, inspiration can really do wonderful things like the Muslim invasions, in fact, are a great example of this because they they appear to have had new newly found religious fervour. It seems to have given them a much more greater morale boost. So they're they're attacked by like a gargantuan Byzantine Roman Empire army. And they apparently hold it off just because they have the will to stand there. And that's that's what most of it's about. I think he's placing too much value on the whole like being trained from a young age thing. Yeah. I mean, don't wrong. It is a very, very valuable thing. And the these people will become your elite soldiers. But it's generally not the only thing. And, you know, men who are who are just I say, like indoctrinated in certain ways. It's it's all in the mind. It's all in the mind. From Western armies to create true sociopathic killing machine space. Wait, hang on. Like, what? I don't know that that should be. You are not sociopathic. Wait a minute. That is not the point of military doctor. In fact, it's the exact opposite. You are trained to take orders and instructions. You think that's fucking soaked still path is like, uh, or just like in large quantities and send them out into the world. I just I know I am used to I'm abused by the idea. They're just like, we need to make them sociopath. It's like, oh, I mean, I get is the goal there to make it so that they're unwavering when killing the enemy. Is that like the benefit with that killing anyone around them? I was about to say, like, surely there's going to be consequences for making them sociopathic. In fact, Robert Heinlein, the author of Starship Troopers, has a great quote on this, right? It's war is not violence and killing pure and simple. War is controlled violence for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him, but to make him do what you want him to do. That's exactly correct. Like, soldiers are not sociopaths and you wouldn't want soldiers who are sociopaths. Yeah, I figured that's the way you would want to have decommission. People saying I should get dealt that. What's what would be the quote like? Hang on, let me let me replay. Let's see what he actually says fully there. We see many recruits joining the mobile infantry as young adults, as is common in modern Western armies. To create true sociopathic killing machine, space marine recruits need to be trained young and not be raised in a bubble where they experience suburban education. Why? So for those of you who don't know, I actually happened to mention this randomly. I think on the last eFap, this is a soldier. This is that movie that I oh, yeah, this is the one. This is it where he's he's like an ultimate killing machine soldier raised from birth, basically a sociopath. And he meets some people on this planet and he doesn't know how to interact with them in any way. And he has to learn how to be a human, essentially, yeah, this is so much to unpack with this statement. This is so much like we have to play this like five times or some shit. I guess we should just get over it. But you're like, an education is a downside. No, what education is? How sophisticated modern warfare is? You mean the tanks don't just drive themselves and shoot themselves in the mortar crews? Don't just he's obviously referring to education on love. You shouldn't be in fact, in the books, you get to go with it, go through the process of Johnny Rico becoming an officer. And he's got to do like a maths degree and stuff like this. And he hates it. He's got to study all the time. He spends the morning training. Some people like to say studying that his journey in the film is becoming hardened. And I wonder if this guy would refer to that as becoming more sociopathic by the end, you know, like he's more. Absolutely. Yeah, I imagine he would. Absolutely not. I hate this kind of characterization, but I mean, I come from a military family, right? So it's it's I, you know, I've grown up in on military bases, British military bases, and the soldiers are not sociopaths. They are people who actually think they're defending their country. You're actually defending something worth defending. He's he's he's like purporting that that's the goal with soldiers. Like, that's what we're trying to do. I just signed up today, son. I hate my emotion, sir. I want to get rid of him. Well, then we have the job for you. I just like the don't educate them. Like you wouldn't want smart soldiers like that's not benefit. They can't read the instruction manual for the tank. If they can't read that during the First World War, didn't work out that well for them. And then the Soviets were like, let's educate our dudes. I need to work that way better. And for clarification, I don't we can we can go over as many times as you want. I'm going to play it again. Let's see if we could actually like because this just it was there was a lot to take in. See if there's anything else to it. Because many of the soldiers in the mobile Oh, wait, infantry start their career so late. They aren't desensitized to violence or wait. Yeah, I need to go back. Sorry, it's skipped. Mobile infantry as young adults as is common in modern Western armies to create true sociopathic killing machines, space marine recruits need to be trained young and not be raised in a bubble where they experience suburban education because many of the soldiers in the mobile infantry start their career so late. They aren't desensitized to violence or the darkness of war. Instead, we see. All right, so there is an aspect of that where you have to like you can't throw a random person into a battle just there and expect them to cope with it, I imagine. I mean, a lot of them will be a little bit overwhelmed by the scenario, so there's an amount of conditioning in terms of what you have to get soldiers to be able to put up with. You know, gunfire, a lot of it, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no soldier begins their career desensitized to the horrors of war like knows every soldier begins it and what age it is going, oh, shit, this is mental. And then by the end of it, they're like Johnny Rico going, well, OK, I'm kind of used to this, you know, that they've grown capable of dealing with it. Yeah, that's just that's with almost everything. That's like with that, you know, the same thing on a minor scale with new jobs. Yeah, I was going to say jobs are easy to compare for that. It's like, oh, sort of this, do this, label that, make sure the machine is running and you're like, ah, I can't do this. Yeah, normal. We would have. So most jobs just don't involve the extremely visceral, you know, attributes that are gunfire, explosions, people yelling and barking orders, the potential of being harmed. So it's just the same thing scaled up. It's the same sort of thing as working in a slaughterhouse. But yeah, no, you're not inured to the thing the first time you start. And yeah, you have to develop fortitude. Yes, that doesn't mean you like it. That doesn't mean necessarily like it. It's like, man, I fucking love blood. He's like, no, I'm just used to blood. It's like, how do you think doctors think doctors are like, oh, boy, another person to cut up if that's the reason I don't want to become a doctor. That's honestly, no interest in it. So I'm like, I'm not I'm not opening people up. Yes, when you see all of it wiggling around, all bloodied and like, my Mrs. loves watching the postmortem documentaries and like, you know, open air surgeries, like celebrity surgery and stuff. And I'm just like, this is disgusting, darling. I can actually see his heart beating. You know, I don't want to see his heart beating. The emotional mentally weak soldiers, the mobile infantry experiences fear in the face of the enemy and weak stomachs at the door of battle. We certainly cannot. Do you say, did you say to a weak minded because they? Yeah, and they they they experience fear in the face of the enemy. It's like, look, there is no one who doesn't experience fear in the face of the enemy. I was going to say, isn't the whole point of courage that you experience fear in the first place? You can't really have it without that courage. Yeah. And you overcome it because despite your fear, it's if you're afraid of every year, you don't choose to be afraid. Fear is a biological response to stimuli. You can't just be like, I just won't be afraid. It's like, well, I got I'm afraid, but I got shit I have to do. Yeah, but anyway, that's what that's courage. Yeah, exactly. It's not about being weak minded. I just want to hear that again. Like instead, we see emotional mentally weak soldiers. The mobile infantry experiences mentally weak. What would you even like? I guess if you refer to somebody who's just had a meltdown and it can't even move on the battlefield, would you guys be comfortable referring to that as mentally weak? I'm kind of curious what we would actually call it. I would probably still find that a bit uncharitable. Breakdown. Yeah, I don't think it's fair to call that mentally weak. I think it is. Yeah. It's not like you've used it. All of the experience we have now with all of the doctrines, all of the training, all of the research, it is still almost impossible to know how a soldier will react to battle because it's an incredibly complex phenomenon. And it doesn't necessarily have to be cowardice. Like some people just don't deal with certain things as well as others. Yeah, everyone's an individual. There are literally examples where people have just gone blind. Nothing's happened to them, but they've just been in a battle and lost their sight. Yeah. Like, I'm not kidding. This has happened multiple times. The Greeks have actually documented this multiple times. They're not wounded, but they just lose the sensors and now they can't see. And it's like, well, fuck me, that's a weird defense mechanism, isn't it? It's the mind trying to prevent it. See no evil, hear no evil. Like you said, defend yourself, yeah. And also, too, like, what about all the veterans who have PTSD and are struggling with that? Is like, are they just weak-minded? Weak-minded, I was like, wow. I don't think it'd be comfortable with saying that. Yeah, yeah, that's a horrific thing to say. Oh my God. It's such a position of privilege to say it as well. Like somebody's come nowhere near any of the horrors of war. It's like, oh, those people were weak-minded. But I'll shut up. Just shut up before I slap you. Face of the enemy and weak stomachs at the gore of battle. We certainly cannot compare their training and preparedness to special forces like the Halo ODST. Wait, you think the ODST don't have... You think space marines and the ODST... They're very human characters in ODST. Yeah, they're very human. Like you can see them. There are cutscenes in Halo games where they're like kind of panicking. They're like, oh, shit, man, aliens are coming. What are we going to do? I'm sure if you drenched them in guts of their friends, they'd probably be a little traumatized. I don't like this. I don't like this. But why this happens? Yeah, she's going to be just fine. Listen, I... It would have been a lot better if he was sociopathic and just left his corpse on the floor. He was like, let's go, guys. She's down. Well, I hit that once. Never again. I'm going to say this early on here. In many ways, the average mobile infantry soldier from the Starship Trooper films is simply unfit to deal with the harshness of war. Um, what do you mean? They win. No, they don't win. They win a battle. They don't win the war. Okay, yeah, but the implication is the war is in control now, right? Like because of their victories. It's going in the human's favor. Yeah, now that they've come to understand the threat and they've learned and... I do want to reference the compound battle. I'm pretty sure the KD is in the Starship Troopers favor. Like they're doing pretty well considering how small of a force they have and the compound they have. They would use it really well. Like it's a... I don't know. Yeah. And they were unprepared for this. They didn't expect this shit. Like unprepared... I don't know. Very half hazard rush together defense. It's like, oh, shit, they're coming. What can we do? They did a good job because they stand fast. They look out for each other. Like you don't see them all running away. Like, oh my God. It's actually none of them. The only one who flees is the general from the... Who previously escaped by hiding in the cupboard or whatever. Yeah, and he was clearly... Something was happened to him mentally. He was not all there. He'd had one of these sort of like PTSD mental breakdowns because everyone around him died all of a sudden. You know, and again, I don't call that being mentally weak. Like, sorry. It's like, I'm not sure how I would react to something like that. Yeah, I'd probably do the same, man. You kind of justified. Also, someone said their teacher was missing a hand. It's like, yeah, his like arm was prosthetic. It's like, he's kind of a bad... And yet he was the fucking badass out of all of them. Yeah. Oh yeah, Racheck was amazing. Because technology in society has advanced to the point where life is pretty good. Aside from giant alien bugs threatening to wipe out the entire race. On the plus side, I like the fact that he's frameless that the humans have done nothing wrong. Exactly. Because that's true. Oh, you mean about who started the war in Starship Troopers? Yeah. Is there still debate about that, about the whole false flag thing? Well, like, people say it, but where's the evidence? Well, right, because it reminds me of some other sort of film discussions where it's like, yeah, but what if the government sent the meteorit themselves in order to justify an attack on the boat? Which did 9-11 in space? That's the thing. It's just like, I mean, isn't it on the film to show us that that would be the case? Sure, but what if? But like, where's the evidence that any of that is even worth talking? Because all you need to do is just throw a character as like a conspiracy theorist type guy, but he actually has some significant bits of evidence so we can go, oh, maybe. Yeah. But I don't think the film ever even talks about it. I'd have to scroll through it again to make sure, but um... It's never hinted at that it's anything other than the bugs. In the books as well. There's no reason to think that it's a human, so it's false flagging themselves. Because technology and society has advanced to the point where life is pretty good. Aside from giant alien bugs threatening to wipe out the entire human race. The next flaw is a lack of discipline in the ranks. The mobile infantry is just not a very impressively organized fighting force. Soldiers open... I don't know that I agree with that. And no... I didn't agree with that. Me neither. Like, they have co... They've got a corporal discipline to the point where drill instructors are allowed to break their uh... their childhood hands, stab them through their hands, have live fire exercises. Remember, he nearly strangles diss as well. He's like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they all remain in fucking lockstep. There's no... There's no... And what's his name? Zim. Zim is like all over the asses all the time. Like they're really disciplined. That's just an unfair thing to say. I'm curious what he's basing this on. Maybe he's gonna have some evidence from stuff that I haven't seen. I'm personally a fan of the co-ed showers, but that's just not... Only covert with infantry of the opposite sex and engage in hooligans with little repercussions. Well, that's... That's off duty. That's not fair. That's what... That's what people do. Well, they're not sociopaths, Rags. That's the problem. Yeah, they got in trouble for it. I'm pretty sure he says before this fight starts that he's like, I wouldn't... I can't attack you because you're a superior officer or whatever. And then he's like... Doesn't he say something like I'm off duty or something like that? Well, ignore rank. Yeah. He fucking turns off, takes off his jacket, rank is not an issue here. Come at me, bro. Yeah, this is humans having a disagreement. There's a love triangle going on, right? It's still nothing to do with being in subordinate. More importantly, this is what young men do. You know, young men do fight each other, especially when they're arguing over a woman. You know, it's just stuff that happens. Deal with it. This might seem humane, but it's weakness in the face of bug scum. What? It might seem humane. I'm confused by the framing. Weakness in the face of bug scum. What will the bugs they give if they see this? You're embarrassing me in front of the bugs. So I've noticed some people in chat said, so the meteor came from... It's hinted at by way of showing how far away the bug home in the galaxy is that the bugs couldn't have propelled meteors that distance in less than 100,000 something. I don't know what else we're gonna say. They tossed them at Earth without issues. They use something called gravity wells or something. So it kind of looks like a wormhole. So it pops out of nowhere. I was gonna say, this might be some... As opposed, you might be highlighting a fact that's a bit of issue with the sort of space rules and how they've justified it in terms of sci-fi rather than evidence of a... You know, like in the same way that I say that a holo is a coward. It's like, no, that's not what they were actually going for. But because of their retarded mechanics, you could totally make that argument. And they said 100,000 years and they couldn't target Earth accurately. I guess they're arguing that that was the first rock thrown. But, you know, there's always gonna be a first rock. Yeah, but they only threw it because the humans settled on a planet they were inhabiting. Which if someone wants to say, that's proof of us throwing the first stone sort of thing, it's like, well, it's not really fair because the... What they argue is that they were just settlers. They weren't like, you know, which is actually an interesting idea in terms of how a war can start, like misunderstandings and shit. So, if you have a bunch of humans landing on... Territories that's not theirs... The humans didn't know they were there. Yeah, that too. Well, they didn't know they were there. In fact, they had specifically told them not to go there. No, it was in a quarantine zone. So anything after it might be bugged. But they weren't sure, I think. I think the information thing said something like, despite warnings or something. Yeah, but that's just because of the broad zone of space it was in, I think. Apparently the audio commentary makes it clear that the humans were the bad guys. The one thing I have to make sure everybody remembers about something like that is that... Ryan Johnson will tell you that in his movie The Last Jedi, Poe made the wrong decision in the opening, but he didn't. And that's because of his incompetence in portrayal of the scene. And so if... Like, this is the thing about death of the author. If the author tells you the Starship Troopers doesn't have any weapons in it as a film, we don't agree with him. He's not right just because he's the author. That's not true. There are weapons in it. You know what I mean? So it depends on how far you extend that and what the evidence is. This is... What was the name? Veer Hoven or something. He didn't even read the book. He literally says in the commentary, I didn't read the book. I was like, okay. Then why am I listening to your opinions on it? Like, he didn't read the book and didn't... I mean, it's still interesting to hear what he thinks of the film, but... Yeah. It is interesting to consider it all, I suppose. It's honestly a miracle that Starship Troopers came out as good as it came out and as faithful to the canon as it was, considering how little Veer Hoven spent interacting with it. He was just like, no, this is just fascism therefore I'm going to pretend that it's fascism. Look, trench coats, that's fascism. Yeah. Exactly. He's like, look, I'm portraying fascism. It's like what? By dressing a guy up in a trench coat, like, why are you showing them pledging allegiance to a constitution? Like, why are you showing democratic processes? This is not fascism. No, this is serious accountability. What? Look at these very wealthy people who oppose the government at all costs. Typical fascism. Can you leave the military whenever you want as well, right? Yes, yes, you're encouraged to leave. They actively encourage you. Like, the whole thing is just not fascism. And Veer Hoven's like, this is pathism. He's like, no, you're in it. I know, in fact, more importantly, he was a communist. He's like, don't be Nazis, guys. Like, really, it's just... Well, I mean, if you want to, we're over here, but you shouldn't. Hopefully we won't be Nazis. I think it worked out. I'm just glad someone finally said it. Thank goodness. Juan Rico pretty much does whatever he wants in the films. He doesn't act like a leader committed absolutely to the defeat of the aliens. No. When his lieutenant... Okay, wait, what did you say? I got confused. No, no, no. He should be spending 100% of his time being committed to defeating aliens, which means not taking 10 minutes off to have a shake. If the argument is that he'll be a more effective soldier, I'm not even sure that's true. Like, to make yourself a balanced soldier, you're going to need time off, time to not be a soldier, right? Or maybe I'm naive on that. The best one is just constant soldiering. Relaxation is a necessary thing for human beings. Celebrating victory. Oh, my God. Don't they call it R&R? What an unsoldierly thing. Yeah. We know how much soldiers hate rags. Juan Rico pretty much does whatever he wants in the films. He doesn't act like a leader, committed absolutely to the defeat of aliens. When his lieutenant catches him engaged in human intercourse on the job, he gives... Human intercourse? Human intercourse. Why is this man robot wrote this script? Wait, look. You've seen this guy. He doesn't know that much about human intercourse. Human intercourse. Well, he might do it. Why would he say that? Maybe Juan Rico was fucking the bugs, and he needed to really clean up. If he was raping the bug as an act of war, that would be fine. Imperialism with my dick. I kind of have a spell right now. Engaging in human intercourse. Did you think he meant to say sexual? Human intercourse. And for some reason he said human intercourse. What in the world? I didn't hear that again. It's not going to defeat the bugs if we have a lot of human intercourse, is it? God of having xenomorph intercourse. Human intercourse. Like this is a clinical study. When his lieutenant catches him engaged in human intercourse on the job, he gives him more time to screw around before moving out to respond to a distress call. Because he has time. Yeah, they just want to battle. He's not late. He's just being an officer. Which being an officer is a lot of questions of which hornet's nest do you wish to kick? In this case, you've got your new fucking second in command shagging a girl that everybody knew was trying to bone him for fucking months. I could make a big deal about this and cause all kinds of shitstorm in my own unit. Or I could just let them finish blinking and hurt no one. Yeah, you guys did just successfully fend off the bugs and win an important battle in this war and everyone's celebrating and this harms us in no way whatsoever. So you need to build that thing and then we'll go out and fucking kill some more animals. Doesn't he say something like, get ready in five minutes and then he goes actually make that 10 minutes because he knows that he's gonna need a sec and then they joke about how he's like, oh, we got that much time. And it's like, yeah, and they're not late. They make it. Yeah, they can. That's not a fighting force that believes in a humanity first doctrine. What do you mean? Why? Just because they had sex before they went on it. If you have sex, you do not believe in humanity. Human intercourse is entirely antithetical to the human cause. I see. Again, I think that's taken it a little bit far, but if you pace it up, sure. All right. Is seriously committed to defeating a superior? Don't let this guy on a fucking aircraft carrier. It'll blow his mind down. They're by force. Sure, there are some discipline. Some, just a little bit. This is one of the many disciplines that the hell. It's only a little bit disciplined to be whipped into a consciousness. Don't worry. Yeah. In front of all of your comrades. I was going to say most lined up in their thousands to watch your ass get fucking peeled off. And most of these punishments that we see throughout the film are all in front of large groups of people because they're making a point. Because it's effective. Exactly. How can you argue? They show a lot of it, honestly. With distress call. That's not a fighting force that believes in a humanity first doctrine and is seriously committed to defeating a superior bug force. Sure, there are some discipline. You're trying to lose to the bugs. We could win the war, but... Put your genitals away. The bugs will win this way. I'm not sure what this guy wants out of space marines. Like, is it just castrate them once they join? What are the ones from... What he's doing is... Oh, God. No, no, no. Go on, go on. I feel like what he's doing is he's arguing this cause from a comparison to 40k space marines in which they are purpose-crafted killers. And he's like... Not even human at that point. ...plating that with humans. Like, you can't compare the two. Dibs gets flogged for getting a fellow soldier killed, but the rules of the mobile infantry seem inconsistent and sloppy at best. I mean, guys and girls shower together in the mobile infantry. What kind of ridiculous oversight is that? It's not an oversight. Oh, my God. Wait, so... Because they literally equal. One shower. Yeah, I thought the point you made with that was the... There were no... They were dealing with the same issues you'd expect for something like that in those... In that future. I do have to say, I think that is wildly ultimate. It doesn't give a shit. Yeah, I don't think that'll ever probably happen. There's got to be a pretty substantial change in the general view of men and women. And women, yeah. And... But what's interesting though is that when they... The cast only agreed to do that co-ed shower scene, if the director agreed to shoot it naked himself, and he did. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah, well, that's what I've heard. I think it's true. So take that with a grain of salt, but yeah, that's what I've heard. It sounds hilarious. I want to know if it's true. Pulvia Hovind was like, I got to get this naked scene. I'll do it. It needs to happen to make a point that will eventually be counted by the YouTube video. To make the point that Nazi's back. Yes. Inconsistent and sloppy at best. I mean, guys and girls shower together in the mobile inventory. What kind of ridiculous oversight is that? This is a core of soldiers that is just as much threatened by disarray in its ranks as it is by killer arachnids. If the bugs don't get them, me too will. Oh, okay. Oh, to be fair, yes. Me too is a more voracious threat in the fucking bugs, I agree. Yes, definitely. Though I will say this is certainly framing problems of the future where there apparently are no problems with the issues of the present. I don't, I don't, I think if it was an issue that was really just destroying from the inside out, the, that's phrasing. How is he going to get through this set of points when he's already halfway through the video almost? Like, I guess we're going to start running through him quick or something. I don't know. He's running out of time. You have battle gear. Now a lot of you in the know are going to say, actually the mobile infantry gear is exactly what sets them apart from other space forces. After all, their powered suits as devised by author Robert Heinlein was foundational in the field of futuristic military fiction. And we are going to discuss that as an advantage in our next video. But for this video, as the powered suits are mostly absent from much of the Starship Troopers film franchise, we are going to look at the standard mobile infantry gear in this video. And such. Yeah, I notice he had the asterisk for live action, but it's like, well, I mean, are we not going to count the, the, there was like a 2012, a Starship Troopers movie. It's like a fully animated one. I think it's a Japanese one is very anime like, where they had these suits of armor that you could fly up and down in them. And they had rockets on their backs and all sorts of crazy Japanese stuff. They did say at the beginning that they were just counting those for now. I'm looking at the movies and the novels first. Yeah, right. But they are actually canon and they are actually awesome as well. And in the film, I didn't really enjoy that film. I know the one you're talking about. I can't remember the name of it off hand, but I didn't enjoy the film that much. But the, some of the action scenes where the suits are being used, they are genuinely as good as portrayed in the book. At Starship Troopers Invasion, I believe it was called in 2012, they definitely have a lot more mechs and exoskeletal stuff and big armor, big guns. Pretty much what you would expect here. Let's see. I don't know if you want to show it or not, but there's very much some, what you'd expect to see in Spacey Armor. They kind of look like guisable people. Kind of, yeah. It looks pretty great in the movie as well. Yeah, it doesn't look ridiculous to the point of silliness, which is what you would expect. Well, it looks live in the movie. It looks live and mobile and active, you know? And yeah, it looks competent. It's really well done in the film. Yeah, it does have an amount of utility to it that you'd expect to see. Like, yeah, I could see how this would be very, very effective in helping you stay alive and kill bugs and stuff. And in the book, it's great as well, because you know, they just, you first introduced them fighting the skinnies, I think it is. And they're just bounding around this giant city on this planet, just dropping TAC nukes on places and then just jumping to the next area of the city to drop another one and just, you know, shooting skinnies and whatnot. It's pretty awesome stuff. And aren't there, wasn't there a, Roughnecks is what it was called. There was those series of films that were in the Starship Troopers, things. Oh, I didn't see those. Remember that they're definitely older. But here, let me show you from that. Definitely older. But even then, that's not unreasonable. No, that's not as good as the previous one. No, that's fine. Do the job. Yeah. Gear doesn't differ much from what we see available to modern day SWAT teams or armies. Mobile infantry soldiers in the films are equipped with a helmet. Fucking hell, that screenshot. Yeah, could you have found a slightly better image to show off the films? That was a deep fried screenshot right there. This is like, I think this was recorded with the toaster. Oh, pretty good. Pretty good for toaster. Thin body armor, gloves and combat boots. This would be fine if the mobile infantry was deployed against human enemies, but they're not. They have to fight. No, I'd say the opposite. I would thought he would say the opposite point where because if they were being deployed against human forces, which would use guns and stuff, then they would perhaps be armored in a different way. But against these bugs, I kind of feel like could you actually give feasible armor to all of the people that would stop the attacks of these bugs? We take a lot of resources to armor them up to the point where bug attacks aren't going to be able to affect them. Yeah, or at that point, it's just better to be. I just wish I could move a little faster, I guess. No point does the armor seem to have any particular fucking use anyway, because Hollywood... And that also is a bit of an interesting thing, because they mentioned during the live fire exercise where the guy gets his head blown up because he takes off his helmet. Your helmet on. Yes. And they seem to suggest as if they're there, it's not like normal body armor. It's composite Kevlar. So it's got several additive layers that like it dissipates the energy. They make it sound as if it would actually be fairly effective against bullets. And considering the large caliber weapons they're using, if anything, I'm surprised the bugs have enough energy in their fucking pincers to get through them. Well, when you look at the 7.62 or close range, that's a lot of energy. I mean, yeah, these helmets are... They're no joke. They look like they're pretty thick. But yeah, it looks thin. I guess the armor looks thin on the front, sort of, but I don't know what it's made out of. Presumably science fictiony. Yeah, plus this is the future. I was gonna say as well, but the film makes a lot of points about how they're studying the bugs to figure out how best to fight an arm, you know, against them. So like, and this is early in the war, the first film in it. Like, that's where it's started. It's the very beginning of the war. Very reasonable to assume that their gear will reflect their enemies longer they fight them. Because I'm assuming it goes on for a long time with the amount of Starter Troopers films that came out. Is it like four or five mainline films? I lost track after this. I think it's five official ones, but only one was good. Yeah, the third... Potential e-fat movies, smaller. Starter Troopers 3 in particular is insanely bad. Is that the one with the flashlights? Was it called Marauders? Is that one? Something like that. I forget. I watched it a long time ago, and even my young person, non-critical brain, was like, this is so shit. I think if I recall correctly, Traitors of Mars was all right. I mean, was it that one? Traitors of Mars is the animated one. Second animated one. Yeah, yeah. Again, I thought it was okay. Yeah, I thought that one was okay. I liked the Amy Snap woman, who the young genius Sky Marshal, who was a massive psycho. Well, I like that. Yeah, I know what it's quite like. I do appreciate it. Yes. Anyway. Yeah, they're looking. I want to see like the armor looks a little, they look similar, but you know, you could just kind of see them and you're like, man, that looks pretty good. Oh, apparently two was Marauder, three was Godbug. Oh yeah, yeah, because they meet like the Queen God of the Bugs, and it's got an Aztec name, and it's really weird. All right. Mobile infantry soldiers in the films are equipped with a helmet, thin body armor, gloves, and combat boots. This would be fine if the mobile infantry was deployed against human enemies, but they're not. They have to fight aliens. And their armor clearly does little to stop soldiers from being impaled by the bugs or having limbs bitten off. One would think a few... Yeah, so like at what point, when you take the start of the bug war happening, this is a whole new threat. This is not something we've ever fought before. We don't have equipment specialized for this because this is a very clearly a very specialized enemy that we're fighting. They're probably aware of what the bugs are, but the best they could probably come up with was like, well, we'll just go for a standard sort of outfit and then as we fight them, we'll get better known in terms of what the fuck we're supposed to do against them, I guess. Probably. It just seems reasonable to me. I don't know. I don't really expect them. I mean, this film would be shit if they had the kind of armor that meant the bugs couldn't do anything, right? It would just be like, well, that was fun. You see it in the end where they've got like all these newly developed weapons and stuff like that, you know. It's exactly as you say, they're fighting an unknown enemy and they're learning as they go. Like war. Yeah. It's like life. A touristic army that lives in a world of ubiquitous advanced tech would have designed armor that was capable of protecting its soldiers against the enemy. But you can't just say that. Like it's like, oh, you're fighting X enemy. What? Shouldn't you have made armor that defends you perfectly against X enemy? It's like, I don't know. It depends on what the enemy is. Can't just instantly... What kind of armor are in a constant race? Arms race. It would be funny if like... It would be where we get the phrase arms race. And it's not just development. It's we have to, we have to find out what would work and we have to find a way to feasibly replace all of the army's equipment with this stuff. And that takes time. And even if we find something that is objectively better, we might not be able to afford it. Like we might not be able to afford it. Yeah. We have far better armor right now than the standard British body armor we give to soldiers, but it's ruinously expensive. Okay. I just have to... I have to interrupt it. You have to ask yourself. Oh yeah. No, no, no, no. Look, we're not even allowed to take 10 minutes off to have a shag, right? This is definitely a lack of commitment to winning the war against the bugs. Like logistics. You mean human intercourse? Justics. Sorry. Yes, human intercourse. I stand corrected. Logistics is for people who want to lose this war arch. Come on. Sure, sure. Someone said the marines and aliens had no idea how crap their body armor would be against the aliens. In fairness to this guy, I'm sure he's... The Starved Troopers, they knew a little more about their enemy than the fucking marines and aliens did, right? That was a complete surprise. Yeah. But yeah, they're all wearing exactly the kind of armor you would expect. It's like a standardized sort of thing. It's going to be able to defend you against a lot, but not everything. And then, you know, think of like the plasma blast the aliens have. And it's just like, when you make armor, it defends you against that. You're like, I don't know. Destroying your entire fleet. Why don't you make it so it's armored against this thing? Yeah, you're in invad society. You have resources. It's like, I don't think it's that simple, dude. Of course, it's possible that the United Citizen Federation's leaders are just giant A-holes who don't think the cost to protecting each and every soldier is worth it. What? Let's pin some time. Why would they? Yeah. Why would they? These are just automatons that do nothing but war, 24 hours a day. Who cares about protecting them? I don't even know that it's... Is it even possible? Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah. Let's mention, okay. You've got a question then. Right. Do we protect five soldiers really well or do we protect 500 soldiers? Okay. Well, that's why in World War I, like especially when it came to helmets and stuff, when they... They... I think the British Army in particular, they were like, all right, so this war's begun. We can give all of our guys, for at least, we can give all of them a helmet. And that did an insane amount of good for preventing loss of life. Instead of, let's take five guys and armor clad them just like the good old days. Or we can give everybody a helmet and that will do a whole bunch. Yeah. Supercharges came in this kind of relevant, I guess, says, this is a bit bizarre. Y'all realize that in the book this movie is based on, it had the more in Spartan-esque power armor, so his armor complaint holds. It depends. Well, no, that's a... It depends. Are we mixing cannon? I was about to say, what are we addressing right now? The book or the film? Yeah, in the case of the film, they're two very different universes. The book not only has a vastly smaller army, but it also has a much larger Terran Empire. Like they're actively engaged already in one interstellar war that's been going for ages, and its troops are the literal elite, the best of the best. It's no recruit army, like in the movies. Yeah. And they're sent really far away, right? Like this is a... It's a very complicated situation to get all of your men armor that prevents them from being attacked by an enemy you don't quite understand yet. Well, I say miles, light years away. And I'm pretty sure this guy was specifically talking about the film. I don't think he's been saying anything, but he's been showing shit from all the film stuff. And he sees it as a contradiction that the mobile infantry aren't better equipped because, I don't know, the Terran Empire should get better resources to them or whatever. And it's just like... Thinking of how many there are. In the film, that's true. They probably should be better equipped. But that's why Heinlein gave them fucking power armor. And there's also, of course, the logical question of the fact that this was a live action movie. And back then, they probably couldn't give them that stuff. I mean, they do pretty well anyway. Like, he made it seem like it's... they get dominated. But like, for every Marine, they get quite a few significant kills on the enemy. I guess he's specifically focusing on their defenses. But as Rags was saying earlier, it's like, the more defenses you pile on to an individual trooper, the less movement they're very likely to have. Yeah. And generally, it's better to have protection than mobility for the most part. But what's the trade-off? If the armor does nothing, right, then at what point do you say, you know, I'll just go without. But I mean, the helmets clearly did something. They were told to wear those. And I don't know what is the extent of the armor in this. And it doesn't look like it weighs a lot. So go for it. The Tehran Empire. The best defense is always to just not get fucking hit in the first place. Also, Otto said... Tell that to the people who don't like our Mandalorian criticisms. Otto said, they're studying bugs in their high schools for fuck's sake. Yes, true. But they still don't know everything. They're ongoing. What they make very clear. And they're completely blown away by the air assault they have. And their ships take serious damage from that. And you might be like, yeah, that's their own fault for running in. It's like, well, simultaneously, they don't have the information that they need. They're not even sure that they're sentient, remember? The idea of a bug that thinks? They're all... It's all being figured out. Yeah. And the bug they were studying school was an arachnid sand beetle, one of the slave worker castbesties. It's one of the most basic bitch life forms available. And you can also see through the information videos later on that it's only when they're in active combat with them that they release like, know your enemy, arachnid warrior, aim for the nerve stem. So clearly they are learning then. And I'm just trying to think to myself, like, you know the primary attack, if you can call it that, from the arachnids, where they just throw their jaw down onto the... Well, any one of the soldiers. The kind of armor you'd need to prevent that from doing anything with how it's shown in the film seems like it would be the kind of armor that would simultaneously be extremely heavy. If you were wearing a plate that can prevent them from piercing it. Just from what we've shown. I'm only basing that on that. Like, this is a sci-fi film so they can easily just say, nah, we have contrived them. It's powered by exoskeletal, this and that, and the other thing. Again, if this armor, as they seem to hint at, is able to reliably stop 7-6-2's rhymes at a couple dozen meters, then the force of that arachnid attack has to be tremendous. Yeah, and I can, for the sake of immersion in the film, I can totally see and believe that a big bug of this size with its pincer could stab straight through it at close distance. It's like, yeah, all right, I'm fine with that. Yeah, the armor doesn't look that thick and it's probably not designed for that specifically. Okay, sure, that doesn't bother me, but I don't think we ever see in the movies someone getting shot in the armor by a bullet. No, there's only hint at during the training ground where he says like, did you order a man to take off his helmet? Yeah, the implication being... Suggesting that any helmet would have prevented it. Yeah. Because they were doing a live fire exercise at that point. So you'd think that they'd have protection. And I totally believe the helmet would stop a bullet. That thing is big. That is a model helmet's stop bullets. Yeah, it needs to be a little bit of an angle, but they do. Yeah, they will. They're surprisingly tough. Tougher than a lot of people give them credit. And as a Boosphen boss said, we do have to really recognize our mobility is super important against these things. Yeah. It's not like they're trying to kill you at a distance. Their mobility would certainly be... The second they're within a meter of you, you should be panicking because it's just like, oh, fuck. In fact, the Traitors of Mars picture you put where he's jumped jetting away from the horde of bugs. That scene is actually really great because he's essentially putting the suit together as he's running away from the bugs. Yeah, it's... And yeah, he's jetpacking... Yeah, no, it's really cool, actually. He's sort of like, you know, does all these rolls, straps all the stuff in. Then jetpacks away, he turns around and just starts launching rockets down onto this huge swarm of bugs that are coming. And that's the kind of elite soldier that they produce in the books. But I'm sure for budgetary purposes, it wasn't possible back in like 97 when the whatever it's Starship Troops was made. I mean, I will say that, like, you know, there was space for them to exist in that film. It's just that we weren't following those. That we weren't made aware of special teams. You know, we were following grunts on the ground for those parts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It makes more interesting more story. Yes. Okay, I stand corrected. That's a giant ahole. That's a weird thing to unpause on. Yeah. Naturally, next, we have to cover weaponry. The standard weapons used by the mobile infantry are the marita assault rifle. It's not the marita. The marita two assault rifle. Why the fuck whistle? That's the advanced thing they have at the end of the bloody film. Yes, fucking. Get it right. Is this the best picture that you could get of the weapons? He's, I don't understand. He's got like. That is beautiful. Make this? He's got like HD clips mixed in with like screenshots that are all tizzy. I don't know what's going on. That is that is great. Like that is something I would make in like first year of my 3D design class. The E pulse 44 rifle. The marita three assault rifle. Combat knives. The E shot rocket launcher. Is that a what is that? The one you that's a tactical nuke. That's a tactical nuke. Yep. Okay. Looks funny. It's useful to have. Oh, are you talking about the one I posted in discord? No, no, no. The one on the screen. Oh, sorry. I was talking about the discord one. Yeah. Oh, that's clearly a gun. Yeah. Okay. Obviously. It's not a box. It's a gun. And even the ones in traders of Mars look cool. Yeah. Yeah. Nukes. The nukes we will list as an advantage and talk about in the next video. As for the rest of these weapons, well, they are fairly advanced in practical terms and can be effective in combating the arachnids if a mobile infantry soldier has good enough aim to hit the nerve stem. However, none of these weapons are that impressive or provide the most of their guns are akin to modern day firearms. They're actually bigger and clunkier than modern day weapons and provide a huge disadvantage in close quarters combat with giant alien. All right. So that one, the fact it doesn't have a stock is already a huge issue. And again, I need to know what caliber do they fire? You can't remember. Is 762. By... But... Send NATO rounds. But you've got to remember that Hollywood Hollywood knows nothing about guns. Well, yeah, I think this is an aspect of Hollywood not knowing anything about guns. They are way, way too big. There's a weird plasticy. There's clearly, they're supposed to look like big future 90s space guns. Yeah. They are definitely, they don't have the compactness or the ergonomics of what you'd expect from modern stuff. As you can see, for instance, the ones from Traders of Mars, they look a lot more reasonable. But these are just silly. Sure. These are a little cartoony. They're like really jumpy. The one on the screen right there, that's the plasma variant. So it's supposed to be even bigger and better. One of the excuses why the assault rifle is so big as it is unusually so is supposedly it's simplifying around at incredibly high velocity. So on the pacing, which would definitely be useful against an armored bug, although it doesn't seem to be that useful. And it has a remarkable magazine capacity of a hundred rounds. Where the fuck they put all of that? I don't know. I just want to say in its defence, I don't see the bugs as being weirdly tough as a problem. I don't think that's a problem. If you were going to develop, essentially what is just a living weapon of spikes and blades to go and run forth and kill things en masse, you probably would make it so that it didn't feel very much pain when it was shot and et cetera, et cetera. Let me look up the, there is a marita rifle. Let's see. It looks like the ones from the first movie with these very, and I will say these are very silly-ish guns, certainly, but there, I could see how they work because they have the shotgun underneath them too. Which could be handy, but they don't really get into a lot of specifics in some of these sights. Sights. Well, this sight is shite if it's not telling you what caliber the rifle is and it's specifically dedicated to it. I don't believe there is actually that much in the way of hard law on these weapons. The only one I know that there is some law about is the marita Mark I, which was almost like a hundred rounds, seven, six, two, fifty ones, and then a thirty-seven shotgun underneath with, I think, eight rounds or something. As a weapon, it's not- It's not fully retarded. Yeah, it's fine. Okay. It's, again, if you're sacrificing, you're making it bigger and you're bulkier for extra velocity, armor, patient capabilities in a hundred round magazine, which again, I don't know, but thankfully where they fucking put, then all right. In human-of-a-human combat, it would absolutely be in fear of your current weaponry, but then all fighting humans. Yeah, I think it's just a case of 90 space future gun. It's kind of like the ones from Alien. They're very, they definitely have that aesthetic to them. I love the look of the Aliens ones. I'll kill you. Yeah, you could certainly look at that and then look at this one, the marita, and be like, yeah, I could see that there's definitely an aesthetic thing that's going on here. And it seems to work well enough. And if the issue is that they don't have something that works better, it's like, I want you to understand the difficulty that it takes to replace the rifles of a galactic army and the issues that it would take for you to do that in terms of not only making enough of them and getting them to all the troops, but making sure they have all the parts that they need, that they all are trained in the operation of the weapon, that they have all the kinks and the bugs worked out. Also, you described it as like clunky in a sense that it's detrimental to them. It's like, I don't remember there being any scenes in the first film where like the gun size and operation prevents them from being able to, you know, utilize it correctly. It always seemed like they were able to be handled. Obviously, these are the movies, I don't know. Yeah, the issue would be on the actors, not the characters. But yeah, clunkers and modern day weapons and provide a huge disadvantage in close quarters combat with giant alien bugs. On that note though. The idea is that you're supposed to be a distance with the bugs though. You don't want to be right next to them. Let's take that as granted, like it provides disadvantage in close quarters combat, right? Let's say that you didn't have that disadvantage. You're still human fighting as a giant fucking arachnid. I was going to make that point. There is no advantage to close quarters combat with these creatures. Well, what disadvantage does it bring specifically that he's talking about? I guess it'll slow you down a little bit and make you a little hit to kill. It's an inherent size in ergonomics, sure, but that doesn't seem to be... Seems insignificant compared to your other issues at that point. Yes. Right, if they had been given a combat knife, yes, I would go, oh, that's a slightly smaller advantage, but still it's a fucking semi-trailer. Yeah, at that point, the soldier is not going to be going, oh, only this rifle had better ergonomics. If only it had a bayonet, I could totally fight this two meter tall murderer's insect. The ammunition in these firearms isn't even that much different than the ammunition used in standard firearms today. To find standard firearms, because when you say standard ammunition, okay, first off, I have no... So that looks like... Yeah, I don't know what he means by standard. There's no standard for what, but in his hands, he's got these. It looks like they've taken 7, 6, 2, casings and made these big black things on the front. It's probably pretty hefty. That's a big-ass bullet. That's a really big-ass bullet. They're just standard bullets, rags. Yeah, they're standard bullets. Right, do you not understand? They're like our standard bullets. I guess not. We have bullet standards. Okay, that's fine. That's different than a standard bullet. Bullet. It really... There was a training round being given to children, so, you know. I'm sure it's got the safety on. Children have gun rights to arch. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking that if even if those are training round, then they would still be able to be put into guns, which means that the real ones are going to have bullets that big, too, which are really big. Yeah. Like I said, from the lore of those, we know those are 7, 6, 2s, 50 ones, which, you know, there's a reason why most of the armies around the world have gone like, now let's go with 5, 5, 6 instead, because 7, 6, 2, 51 is too big for virtually all scenarios. We're starting to see a lot of movement. I think we're starting to move towards like stuff like 6.8 and a lot more 308 stuff nowadays, too. But a lot of that's because the gun technology is a lot better. Like we can put that round into guns nowadays, and it's not as big of an issue as it used to be. But yeah, if they're shooting big bullets like that at bugs, that's going to hurt. That's going to hurt a buck. I mean they do hurt. You know? Like they do. I mean you could see it. Yeah. The thing about it is right. So if someone said like, yeah, it doesn't kill them very fast or it doesn't do enough, I'd be like, you do get the like, the damage is very much conducive to movie as in like, if they did any better, they would dominate. And if they did any worse, it would be like shit to watch because the humans would just get annihilated. So with like, it's like a post thing, but just the bullets do well enough that I can believe, and I think it's reasonable to believe that they were designed to kill these bugs, but they don't do so good that it's like a rail gun with each shot that just fires through all of them, right? There's like a happy middle. And it does require that you aim as well. It's not as simple as shooting them. So these bullets, like the ones that he's shown here, these are like 7.62, but these aren't, the ones in his hands are not that. They're 7.62. Something else. The bullet at the end of that is definitely much bigger than a typical one, which doesn't surprise me because a lot of it is, hey, we can't all of a sudden re-equip the rifles of our Galactic Army, but we can start giving them special ammunition that is designed to kill bugs better. That is way more believable. And I would buy, I'd buy that in a heartbeat. I don't think that's a problem at all. Well, you're racist, so. Well, I guess. They use are simply not made for defeating bugs. But it does. I mean, you can't say that. Categorically, they are. Surely. Yeah. Maybe they existed before they intended to do anything to bugs, but like they are provided as a, they do kill bugs. That's kind of where we're going with this. They do a good job of killing bugs. Yeah, there are numerous examples of bugs being shot in film. If you were like the nuke, it was not designed to kill bugs. And you're like, yeah, but it does like really well. It was only designed to kill the Japanese. Yeah, my shoe wasn't designed to kill cockroaches, but it just so happens that it works. Our next flaw is tactics. The mobile infantry, along with their lack of discipline. All right. So we can't a little bit of a thing. If we're going to discount these movies, you can't keep showing clips from these movies, especially try and make an example. Like if you're if you're going to say that this a little bit of speculation for the point of drama, I suppose. But if you're going to criticize this movie for a fault, then you have to also give this movie the benefit for something else that you criticized earlier. You can't pick and choose. Is this movie part of the thing you're looking at or not? You can't say it does. Maybe this is just B-roll right now. Like he's not actually. Maybe. But even then, that's the criticism on saying, yeah, we're not going to count these movies at all. Here's clips from all of these movies, but you're not allowed to talk about them. Okay, I guess. Has poor battlefield strategy. In other words, the inferiority of their weapons is only compounded by their crappy tactics. Once again, the mobile infantry's tactics are more suited for human-on-human warfare. Something that is- No, I don't think so. I think the way that they engage enemies in this movie, there's like, especially at the beginning battle, I think that there's no way that if they were assaulting like humans, they would just land all their dudes and just run in a massive group. Oh, running towards the enemy in massive group formations. That's the thing. You see that tactic and you're like, what are the enemies? Like actually, it's a bunch of evolved cockroaches. You're like, huh. Yeah. Okay. It's an enemy against which concentration of fire is far more important than not getting hit by ranged weapons because the bugs don't fucking have any. Yeah. Yep. So that's exactly right. I think he's just wrong on this one. You adapt your tactics to the enemy. In fact, if you were to do this with humans, you'd be insane, like the way that they attack. Yeah, but not only that, think about how they capture the brain bug or whatever. They glass the planet and then they send them down the bug holes to find the bug. What else? What other tactics are you going to use? Well, don't you do that with humans? What else are you going to do? You glass humans and then say for the human brain. What you do is you eat their alphanery and orbital bombardments to soften the enemy to a point where you feel is sufficient. Then you send in the troops because it takes troops to occupy, you know, areas. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't, but I mean, let's see what he says. Maybe he's looking on. Yeah. This is largely a thing of the past in Starship Troopers. Following the meteor attack on Buenos Aires, the United Citizen Federation launched an attack on clandestine, the bug's home planet. The results were devastating for the mobile infantry. The plan was to have Federation forces swarm and assault the planet in mass. This would spread out and eliminate any bugs in their path. The plan ultimately backfired due to the Federation's arrogance and abysmal strategy. In antiquated- Which they learned from, I was going to say, this happens a lot. Like, But he's not wrong there. That was bad tactics. Just jumped straight to the home world and with a bunch of green troops and assumed that you can take it. That's pretty silly. So he's not wrong there. Strategy. And they did learn from that and kick him off. But tactically, that's actually sound. Like you're engaging an unknown enemy. Like the officers on the ground have no say in this and the Federation just being told go there. Okay, you don't know much what about you're doing. Our basic tactic is going to be secure a bridgehead, fan out, engage anything you find with extreme prejudice and hold your ground. Like, yeah. Considering the lack of information that's about as good as it gets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the whole reason they thought that this was like, yeah, this will fucking work is because they're bugs. They're just bugs. Okay. Yeah, they didn't know there was. Clearly over there underestimated the tenacity in numbers. Yeah. Which I think is, I can see that. Like I can totally believe that that would be considered a decent tactic. It's like we find an army of bugs, just go in there and wipe them out. You're like, yeah, okay. And I just want to stress the fact that they're actually losing the war to the bugs is actually really strong in the story's favor. The point is that the bugs are not like, you know, weaker and competent or helpless or stupid. They're actually not. They're just really different, you know, but they still are very strong, very smart and very, very clever and tactical. And when it comes to all of this stuff and they seem to be resolved to fight a long war. So it's, you know, the point is this is an enemy that you just have to beat. There's no other option. There's no negotiation. There's no diplomacy. There's no discourse. They just want you destroyed. And the fact that they do learn from this, they behave in ways that make sense to a, you know, it's not unreasonable. Oh, it's totally rational response. The human response though is totally rational. It's like, right. Okay. So we get a shit kicked in on cloned after when we're not expecting it. Right. You know, obviously, whatever scanning and whatnot, they're done and they didn't realize that the bugs had like air defenses for the planet. The artillery, the bug equivalent. Artillery, but yeah. Yeah. And it's not their fault they didn't know this, you know, but okay. So yeah, like you say, they go in and they get kicked in and then they do learn from and then they have to adapt their tactics. How boring would it be if they just succeeded at every step of the way? It's like, okay. And I thought that was easy. A relevant super chat. Oh my God, are you defending the first invasion that was deliberately supposed to be bad on every level on purpose? Yeah, but there's nothing to think about it in Congress about it. Yeah, think about it. You don't know the enemy. You assume they're retarded bugs. You have no overriding strategic information other than go attack. What would your strategy be other than fan out engaged targets as you find them? Yeah, I think I guess the argument would be they did what anyone would be expected to do with the information they had. I suppose the criticism could be that they should have waited to discover more, like send probes. I don't even know. But the bugs are regularly shelling earth with meteors. Yeah, they kind of want to kill them and kill them fast sort of thing. Yeah, exactly. Millions of people have already died. You can't just hang around. But yeah, they don't. It's not a complete failure, right? They do some damage from what I remember. They just show blowing up the artillery. Obviously, there's going to be more than just those two, but yeah, they learn from it. And I think that to expect anything but perfection in terms of military tactics is completely unrealistic. You need lots of information and you need to engage it. Because we covered a person before who, you know, the point, this is the point you made regardless. He said that Tywin was like a really bad tactician in Game of Thrones and the evidence would be losing to Rob Stark. It's like, yeah, he lost to Rob Stark, but it's perfectly reasoned exactly why he lost and that Tywin's probably one of the best tacticians outside of, I think, Randall Tarly in the Westeros, from what I remember, of how they explain it. But he had a failure. That means he sucks. It's like, I don't think it's that simple. Literally almost, I mean, the number of generals who never lost a battle, you could count on like one hand is a very tiny, you know, like, think of the greatest generals, like Julius Caesar lost battles. You know, Alexander the Great is one of the few who didn't, although you could argue that certain points have been like, you know, reverses that you could count as losses, I suppose. But yeah, it's just the nature of war. And if you're doing a video that's like, tactics are why Starship Troopers mobile industry are bad, it's like, are we going to count all of the good tactics or are we just looking at the bad ones? Yeah. Yeah, they, yeah, we can go ahead. We can go ahead. Fashion. They lacked artillery or air support and relied on numbers. They tried. All right. It's not a tactical question. Yeah. Good weapon. That should have been under weapons. Yeah, or either weapons or equipment, something like that. But also what if their tactics revolved around the fact that they didn't really have that at their disposal at the time? But he does make you a point. I mean, they should have had all of these. Yes, they should have had tanks. They should have had their support. He is correct that this, you know, was badly handled. But yeah, this is congruent. Air force, air force, air force, air force, tanks, tanks, tanks, artillery, artillery, and then infantry at the end. Especially under weapons and equipment. But it is really retarded that this mobile infantry does not possess these things. You could make the argument that perhaps they simply haven't developed the technology to transport this effectively yet. If they've got those enormous ships, surely, they have the space to put some tanks on there, right? You know what it is, though, don't you? It's because the mobile infantry in the book don't need it. They are the tanks. They are the, yeah, they are the artillery as well. You know, they've got, as you can see from the screenshot, they've got all the straps in the back, so they're checking around tank nukes. Heinlein didn't write them having tanks because they didn't need the tanks, that it was mobile tanks, basically. So when, uh, Vierhove, Vierhove, that is his name, he's never heard of him. When he, when he trans, when he transliterates it to the screen, I mean, he's not, he doesn't know. It's just, he's a fucking idiot. No fucking clue about anything in relative warfare now. Oh, God. Pretty much. Yeah, but he doesn't know anything about the book either, because he didn't read it. So it's like, you know, he doesn't know what he's dealing with here. So he didn't, he didn't, he didn't take into account the significance of the thing. But, um, Vier, so in the film, yes, correct. But in the book, no. So what would our conclusion be? It was bad strategy, but we can see how you could rationally assume that this would have been a working strategy. I see why they thought this would work, but it's technically speaking. Judging by the information they have, I think it's entirely fine. Strategically, you could certainly make an argument for it then as well. If you think your enemy are just dumb bugs acting on instinct, then surely cutting off the head by taking the capital planet will be wise. But, uh, you could also then make the argument that of course they didn't have enough intelligence, but hindsight is always 2020. Yeah, you don't know what you don't know. You got, um, uh, the terrain we see on Klondathu, Tango, Urilla and Planet P are very bad terrain for armored operations. Um, there's got to be some stretches of Yeah, there's still They do have their support as well. They do have their support. There's one part where they bomb a bunch of fucking bugs and then the mobile entry come in afterwards after they've bombed this huge number of bugs. And, uh, and one of my mods said, I guess he's just arrived. He's like, are you missing the idea that it's like satire? It's like, I'm sorry, dude, but it's, um, the whole contention about Starship Troopers is that did it manage to execute satire as effectively as a lot of people believe it did? And the answer, no. This is the, uh, because Redler Media did a whole video talking about how it definitively is that. I would love to talk to him about it. Oh, just, just ask him a couple of questions. That's all instead of, I don't want to say anyone's like definitively wrong. I'm just curious how they react to a bit of information. I'm just like, how do you, what do you think of this? I don't know. It's the argument about separating the, uh, the intent from the actual product. I've had this, uh, annoying me quite a lot frequently, where people basically said like, oh, but the author meant this. Yeah, but that's not what he's presented. So I don't give a fuck what the author intended. Yeah, I'm, I'm not a mind reader. I'm a movie watcher. Exactly. If he intended it, why isn't it in the movie? And yeah, we brought up earlier, but this, this just, you, we know that this is a possibility. We know that an author could say something is in their movie when we can categorically prove it is not. So we know that this is a discussion, not, it's not just end of story because he said it was. It's like, no, it goes further than that. And I think it's a really interesting conversation, but I know it's not a popular conversation with a lot of people because they're like, how could you possibly say that about Star Trek Troopers? And it's like, how about we just have a chat? We don't need to immediately jump to it's impossible. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Try to engage in a war of attrition. The poor planning resulted in hundreds of thousands of casualties among the mobile infantry, including, oh my, I don't think, no, no, I think that's the exact opposite of trying to engage in a war of attrition. Striking at their home planet with overwhelming military force is not, hey, let's grind them down. Sounds like blitzcrank tactics to me. Again, he's conflating knowledge we gain by the end of the film for knowledge we didn't have at the beginning of the film because he's referring to when Carl says, you know, this is about the numbers and they have more. They didn't know that when they were landing on Glendathu. Yeah. Putting 100,000 killed in one hour alone. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud that humanity stood together as one hashtag for Argentina. But the answer to an attack on earth is not to send half a million mobile infantry. Um, okay, hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Okay, what have you got? The generals in the war were like, well, we've just, Christ, Bill Nussarys is gone. Well, we should probably send half a million off on a suicide mission at least. Everyone's like, well, I mean, yes, and then we'll figure out what we're gonna do. Framing it as a suicide mission is that's post-event framing, but there's- Toes pocket go proper. Yeah, if, uh, yeah, that is what you do though, is if someone fucking attacks your planet, you kill them. Suicide missions for all. Yeah, the implication like, oh, well, they nuked millions of us from orbit. Our response shouldn't be to attack back. Why would we want to do that? I fucking wonder, yeah. We have to Jeremy Corbin this. The together is one hashtag for Argentina, but the answer to an attack on Earth is not to send half a million mobile infantry on a suicide mission. Oh, it's easy to say after they'll die, didn't it? I mean, this is kind of where I'm at. If they had landed and they- It was not attacking the beaches of France. There was no artillery in that the numbers were much thinner and they were a lot less coordinated and they just swiped through the, uh, the troopers. I wonder if the people would be saying like, that was a clear suicide mission. Like, uh- Yeah, that was a terrible idea. This, this overwhelming victory. You bitch, your ass historians would have said that about V-Day, because on paper, D-Day looked like a fucking terrible idea. But the Germans didn't have the fucking forces to defend the beaches. And so the Americans landed against scattered resistance of under-equipped demoralized second-line troops, fucking Russian POWs, even if you're Koreans, amazingly enough. It was a bold military gamble. This leads us into our next flaw, poor governmental structure. Oh, really? Oh God. Oh boy, here we go. Yeah, okay, go on. Let's hear about it. Starship troopers is governed by a military elite following the collapse of 20th century Western democracies. True. The world is still rife with affluence, as far as we can see. Oh no. And technological advancement has led to a higher quality of life. However, while ordinary civilians are generally free, they don't enjoy the same rights or status as military members. Governmental leadership. All right, should we take this in parts? I suppose. All I'm saying is I endorse absolutely everything he's fucking said here. Service guarantee, citizenship, universal suffrage is a mistake. All right. Hey, if you want me to expand, I can give Heinlein's reasoning. The whole point is it's based on something given has no value. People didn't respect the power of the franchise because the franchise, what that is, is force. You are exercising violence over the government. You are making them do something. And that comes with responsibility. And the problem with universal suffrage in Heinlein's conception and in the Starship troopers universe was that people just voted themselves free stuff. Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn won elections. And that meant that led to a reduced moral integrity of the family. So it led to a bunch of like hyperviolent teenagers running around stabbing each other in the streets and everyone's like, Christ, we just want the madness over. And therefore they had to put in a new system of democracy that meant you had to earn the franchise rather than just be given it on a plate. You still had constitutional rights, but if you wanted to be involved in the political process, you had to earn it because as he says at the beginning, something given has no value. So the, and remember, even there you had Rico's parents were against him joining the military. For them, it wasn't worth this. All of the extra benefits and privileges, it wasn't, it wasn't worth it. Just precisely take your maybe not badly off. They will see. Yeah. He lived in a fucking mansion. It looked like Beverly Hills. They lived in a mansion and were planning a vacation to a fucking different planet. That would sound like a resort planet. It's like, yeah, these are gonna be okay. Well, that's the point because in the book, it expands on this a bit as well. Essentially what this is is a libertarian paradise where the government has been shrunk so significantly. All it does is law enforcement and military and judiciary obviously, but the scope of it has been dramatically shrunk. So it's essentially, most things are private and social, which is why he's supposed to be a business. His dad's like, oh, you're gonna get a Harvard. You're gonna become a businessman and stuff like that. It's like, well, that's, he'd rather get involved in doing his civic duty, but where's the money in that? Oh, no, father, don't send me to Harvard. Don't make me a rich business, man. That's terrible. I want to exercise. I'm being oppressed by this privilege. Yeah, so it's not like, the film never portrays like a two-cast system in this world where even if you don't serve in the military, you're destitute in the gutters and everyone's up at you or you're a certain color, a race or ethnicity or whatever, it's never shown here. And the way I would understand, but that doesn't seem to be how it actually works in execution in Starship Truth for this world. That's exactly right, right? In Beethoven, if he's trying to satirize fascism, don't make it look successful and don't make it look like liberalism, you know? As in like, if you try to say, look, this is an evil fascist world, what's going on? Well, everyone's really well off and everything's voluntary and people get to choose the careers they want to have and go on interstellar holidays and they have lots of friends, they have great education, they're already healthy and happy. Even a human intercourse. Yeah, a human intercourse occasionally, even on the battlefield. So, you know, this is not what fascism looks like. Like, there's no atmosphere of fear in the institutions. The only corruption we see is when Rico is trying to quit the military and they blow Buenos Aires and he's like, oh, can I say, and they tear up his resignation form. And it's like, that's the only corruption we see in the entire film. Like, no money changed hands. Yeah, and no bribery happened. It's to further a principled position of one of the people involved. Exactly, exactly. It was literally saying the law is not... morality is not set by the rules. The rules we try to bring in line with morality because it was obviously to no one's benefit to kick him out of the army at that point. And so, it's like, okay, so yeah, a little bit of bending of the rule because that's, it's a morally good thing to do. It's incredible how, like, he can, like, if he wanted to portray fascism, where is the oppression? Just show me the oppression. I want to see it. Well, if they're going to bend the rules for that, then clearly that leads to them bending the rules for human intercourse as well. Which he did. He actually did. Really did. Yeah, which he did. Also, someone made this meme for the stream. I think you'll like it. Oh, yeah. It's fantastic. Oh. Sex is how the bugs win. This is fantastic. That is so perfect. And I guess because you guys can't be here forever, so I'll, I'll post the other one from you. Oh, the bugs are out fucking us, and therefore they win by sex. Oh my God. If only we weren't commanded by incels. Because the incel wars have. The incels are reserved for the veterans, and thus military-minded people set the path of society. As we see in any society governed by a military elite, gentas never end well, because they fail to understand. Juntas? Juntas. Okay, that's, that's the world of starship troopers. No, that's the point though. Like they didn't overthrow democracies. The society collapsed. Yes, it collapsed under the weight of the scientists. And then, again, they didn't remove democracy. They reformed it in a more stable and steady form. Yeah, one of the really nifty things about democracy is that if you don't want it, you can vote it out. And again, where do you think these veterans came from? Did you load? Was it just a bunch of 80-year-old people? Oh shit, my Vietnam scars raking. No, they were the veterans of the global war caused by the people who wanted to order society along the lines of the scientists. The last switch didn't work. Yeah. And Heinlein is, for anyone who's like curious about this, Heinlein is totally woke to the idea of the social sciences. They are what he thinks will destroy humanity, because effectively it destroys civilization. Because effectively we'll think we know more than we actually do and think we can just re-engineer it all to be better. And we're currently living in that future right now. We're currently giving puberty blockers to children because, you know, there are no adverse consequences and things like this. Someone in the Discord asked, aren't the people with mental power suppressed or looked down in this world? No, they're allowed to operate fully in the open and even take up very prestigious branches in the military. There are adverts on TV recruiting to try and find them. And the Johnny Rico's little boyfriend dude has an entire psychic lab in his fucking basement. Yeah. He is a psycho or whatever they call him. He brain fucks his pet Farad to go and eat a larvae on his mother's leg and shit. Like, he doesn't look like, oh my god, nobody needs to find out about this. Yeah, so they can have a vision via touch. They can, they're able to mind control animals. But yeah, this seems like something... It's also an entirely open government initiative. It's called games and theory, where they test this shit out, trying to figure out how it works. Well, you'd want to know who they are, not to like call them or anything, but because they could be of huge and incredible help to a society. Like, if you get past the idea of superstition that happens in low magic universes like the Witcher and stuff like that, where, you know, they have a reason to really be fearful of them, but you put that in the future where people are a bit more, I guess, more morally and societally evolved than man, the more these things, like, the better. Like, let's find them. Okay, so the reason that there's no oppression in Heinlein's universe, right, is essentially comes from what is usually considered to be the highest moral value of the Enlightenment, like the supreme moral principle. And that's the principle of like the freedom of one's will. So you get to choose. That's the thing that, I think, consent. You get to choose what happens. You consent to what happens. And everything in Heinlein's universe is structured around the principle of consent. That's why all of the difficulties are actually not preventing you from doing something. It's actually trying to encourage you to not do that thing. Like, you know, get out of the military because it's tough because we want the best. So you've got to commit to it and you've got to really consent to it and you've got to force yourself to be there. Despite it being a difficult thing to do because you want standards. But nobody's being coerced into doing anything. And that goes for everyone, like the Psykers. And the point of it is to say, well, what would you revolt against? Because at some point in the book he says, there's never been a revolution. Why would there be? What would you be trying to revolt against? You know, you get to decide your own life. And that's, honestly, I think it's the best idea we've had so far. So, Glib is interested in talking about the point of view you have. Sagan, would you be interested in hearing someone who believes relatively opposite possibly about the film for a bit? Yeah, of course. Cool. Yeah, he was brought into a debate, YBS or Blade Runner once. It was interesting. Right, okay. But yeah, I'm not entirely sure what wants to be discussed, but he was interested. So, Glib, are you there? Hello. How do I sound? Yeah, you sound right. Excellent. Yeah. Now, I was just wondering where the contention that the film is intended to be presenting a fascistic society at like face value in the film, if that was like a quote that you heard from Berhoeven or something? Because I always felt like it was... That was literally what he said. What was the... Because I'm looking for it right now. It feels like it's a criticism. Sorry, go on, yeah. Yeah, it's in the director's commentary of it, which is instantly the only bit that got copy right striked on YouTube. The entire film I used like massive clips from and YouTube didn't give a shit. But like one minute's worth of director's commentary, that was it, you know, you don't get to monetize that. But he, yeah, he says that, you know, this is going to be a pastiche or a satire of fascism in those words. And then he doesn't actually show any fascism. Our pastiche isn't a satire. Because I remember reading something that he said that it was about the American aspects that reflect around fascism. So to me, the imperialistic elements of the film are more... They come out more in the film than the idea of the fascistic elements. Because the society that's depicted is more like Plato's Republic than it is a fascistic society. I can't find a fascistic element in the film other than the aesthetics. What, how are you relating it to Plato's Republic? Well, the idea that there are better types of citizens than others. No, he actually counters that in the book. Veterans are not smarter or better than anyone. In fact, quite often quite the opposite. But they are the ones who are civic minded. In the book, though. And I think that we're supposed to separate the book from the movie, whether we're defending it or not. Because I have a distinct difference on how I look at these movies in the movie in the book. Because the book is very straightforward and serious and takes all of the philosophical implications seriously. And I think that's what you're doing, Sargon. And I don't think that the movie takes any of the ideas seriously. And it is sloppy. Some of them it does. Yeah, it is sloppy. And I agree with you. There is a lot from the book that it's failed to properly render. But to be honest with you, for someone who was trying to create a satire of fascism, Verhoeven just did a really poor job. Or maybe the scriptwriter was trying to sneak actually a bunch of really great ideas under the hood or something. Because he did manage to. I agree with that. The movie is a lot more sloppy in the book. I completely agree. I just have to preface by saying I'm a big fan of yours. And I actually agree on a lot of points that you bring up in politics and in media and all that kind of stuff. I don't think we disagree much here really, do we? No, no. But I think that I really favor looking at the film through the lens of Americanism more than fascism. And I think that the emphasis of fascism is a lot. Because it's 1999 when the movie comes out. And then 9-11 happens a couple years later. Oh, no, I think you're completely right. It's definitely the whole thing. I mean, Heinlein wasn't American, obviously. And the whole thing is a constitutional republic. So, yeah, it looks a lot like America. It's just with severe restrictions on Gibbs, basically. Absolutely. I mean, and I think that that's like, it's not really a disagreement. But I think that you're fighting valiantly for the book. And a lot of people that are criticizing the movie on the other end that are like, oh, look at how this is a great criticism of fascism or doing a discredit. They're saying that Heinlein was fascist. And then they're using the movie as a membrane to forward that argument, like look at all of the stuff that Verhoeven put in. And I think it does a disservice to both because I think all of the elements that are satirical film elements in Starship Troopers are really well done. Like the idea that they're out there and they're seriously fighting in these conditions, but they're doing it very sloppily and stupidly. And it's a dramatic experience when somebody dies with all this blood and viscera, but the propaganda values that have been instilled in them keep them at this sort of Beverly Hills 90210 shallowness. They can't, there's not really a lot of depth in how the characters are actually responding to the emotional conditions that they're going through. And at the same time, I feel like they're like Rico's willingness to follow the code that he's been grown up with. I think as part of his inability to figure out his own path and his own destiny and he eventually becomes, oh, sorry if I'm popping, I'll fix that in a second. He eventually just succumbs to the society and becomes a unit within it. He becomes the old guy. Well, I think that framing it as succumbing is already coloring it in a way that is negative when he seems to be operating based off of a principle that he agrees with and can justify. But it also makes it sound like he's fallen down the path of least resistance. And I don't agree that's what, I think that's the complete opposite of what Rico does. I think he goes for the path of greatest resistance. And I think that's the, again, it comes back to the kind of enlightenment morality where if you choose to do things against inclination, then they can be considered truly moral. Now, I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but that's generally the assumption that underlies statements like, he wanted to run away, but he stood and fought anyway. That makes it a truly heroic thing because it was against his inclinations, against his interest, it was for duty, for a more abstract concept. And Rico does the same thing. It would have been much easier for him to go to Harvard and become a wealthy businessman, right? But instead he chooses to join the Mobile Infantry and get a shit kicked out of them for however many years and lose all these friends. I would say that that's true to a certain extent, but I don't see what other options he thinks are available to him. I mean, his parents like literally want to set him up at Harvard to be a successful, wealthy elite of the society with all the money and education that money could possibly provide. Like this is really very clearly established what they want for him and it would be much easier to go through with that. But do we see a reason why he believes in what he believes in or is he just following Carmen? Well, it seems to be... Well, that's the question behind it all, actually, is... Are women the real problem? Yeah, no, no. Is there a commitment to the conviction? And this is what Brad Chek asked of me. He repeats the text. Citizen defends the body politic with his life, but do you believe it? And that's the point. It's about the necessary position of duty in the life of the people who are enjoying the society that is produced by the self-sacrifice of others, the duty of others. Like, you know, at some point, someone has to fulfill that duty and it is something honorable to do so. It's something that makes you a better human being than you were before to do that thing. It's genuine self-sacrifice for others, nothing coerced, nothing that's forced upon you. It's something, a decision you come to yourself. And that's the purpose behind Johnny Rico's character is that he did come to this and he did follow through. And it was rough, you know. And after his parents died, that does seem to have really strengthened his resolve. That's true, yeah, yeah, true. I'm going to fix my microphone for a second and just want to leave off by saying I think that another good part that you could argue on your side is that the greatest influence and father figure in his life was the leader of the Roughnecks. So that's his biggest influence. He's his teacher and his guide through the war. But what does he say to him in the school as well? He says, you know, he doesn't even encourage him to do it. And like you were saying, you know, like the freedom to make your own decisions is the only freedom anyone really has, figure things out yourself is the only freedom anyone really has. And that's a really profound line in my opinion. You know, it's an interesting way of saying, I'm not going to answer this question for you. It's very tactful. Yeah, he just gives a very good speech about justifying why society is the way that it is. And something that I think would be very interesting is to interview, sorry about that, to interview the writer and see if he had differing ideas from the director. Because maybe like you said, he did slip in some references that would be in support. Yeah, I'd love to do that. Because it's interesting to me. And the reason why I feel like I have my perspective is because when you look at the other Verhoeven movies that I think are successful like Robocop, there's a level of, I don't know, what's tongue-in-cheek to it, to everything. Like you can't fully take the content totally seriously. Like you get blustering horns and brass and loud music. Every time Robocop shows up and he's like a cowboy from the West. And he deals with all the bad guys. But he's also in a horrible situation if you think about it on a deeper level. Yeah, it's certainly very critical of the idea of corporatism and a lack of regulation within these massive companies and the control that they can exude over a society and what happens if we have to turn to them to solve issues instead of more governmental bodies that are more accountable. And the guys against fascism is like, hey, should we get the government to do everything? Something that I'm also curious about was because you guys were talking about the strategy of how they landed. And I was just thinking about how similar it is to like Soviet-style tactics. So I feel like that decision on the filmmaking side would be, look at how bad the situation is. We're just throwing all these guys out there, even though we've been giving them propaganda that we know exactly what we're dealing with. Then we have all the tools. Well, they didn't, though. The tactics are for a reason. Like when the Soviets probably don't do it for the same reason that the mobile infantry does it here. It's because the mobile infantry in the movie thinks that this is the best way to combat a foe that they think is going to get taken out by these tactics. I don't think it's necessarily because they were poorly equipped or they were just bodies to be thrown at the enemy. I mean, in the film, it's not like it's completely nonsensical and they thought that it would actually really win it for them. I'm willing to agree that in the concoction of the plan, maybe there was someone on the board of directors of strategy or something that said, a lot of people could die if we do it like this when we could do it in a longer, more methodical way. And then they were like, we'll take the losses. Like... Well, I want to defend Soviet tactics here for a second because it's not just throwing people around. There was an entire doctrine of deeper operations and it was come up with a guy, I can't remember his name. He was known as the Russian Napoleon. Brilliant strategist who got on the bat side of Stalin and so got tortured to death because, well, that's what happens. But the entire idea is to utilize the strength of the Soviet Union's manpower. It is continuous attacks across a large frontage to figure out where the enemy is strongest and then avoid those areas, smashing through the weak point with large reserves of armored forces, deluding deep behind their lines in a Blitzkrieg-style attack to cut off their reinforcements. It's actually a really effective and competent strategic and tactical doctrine, but the thing is they were up against the absolute worst enemy because the Germans had the perfect counter to that, which was the strategy of mobile defense where each of one of these brooks that break through were countered by Panzer formations while the front lines were just weakly manned. But the Soviet cell tactics were not that bad, just a bad enemy. Hmm. Well, if they were truly bad, they would have lost, but they didn't. Is that how it works? I think that is more to do with the manpower and the materiel. The another thing that people don't give the so much enough credit for is that their artillery doctrine was genuinely quite brilliant. Their idea of massed batteries was just as innovative for artillery warfare as the idea of Blitzkrieg was for Panzer warfare. They had unfathomable quantities of heavy guns. I mean, the Spartans weren't bad because they, they weren't bad because they lost at Thermopylaeus. True, true. Well, it is. I mean, if you, if you are a cynic, then obviously whatever works is the best strategy, whatever wins the day. But that seems to be the context. Well, there's things like Pyrrhic victories and there's the Confederate States and the United States Civil War. Just winning a battle isn't necessary, just because you win a battle doesn't mean you're closer to winning the war necessarily. Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, there's so many layers to this kind of thing. I'm studying Soviet and not Soviet, Chinese soft power right now. So there's all sorts of ways to win. Yeah, right. There's all sorts of ways to win a conflict. I mean, everybody's played civilization. But as for the Starship Troopers thing, I find it really hard to argue that they were using, like very realistic military tactics. I get into the same conversation about Star Wars and how there's like tanks and all sorts of, all sorts of artillery pieces that should be on the field, given the kind of weaponry that we have, but they don't exist. And obviously, I think that has to do with production. I mean, there's either a uniformity that has to do with the props and being able to produce a lot of them based on one pattern, or it's to be an aesthetic point that there's just so many people that are all supposed to be wielding the same thing. There's a uniformity to them. I can't decide which one. It could be both. It could be both. But I agree with you. I think it's down to the production, rather than the original writing of the thing. Yeah. And I think that's why in more modern iterations like Traders of Mars and stuff like that, we certainly see a shift. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I hope that we get more movies that actually think about this kind of stuff because YouTubers are ready to talk about it. Oh, yes. Yeah, they are. And without shouting at each other, that's the best way to do it. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I suppose we can keep out this section. He's probably going to bring up some more stuff. Glybd, do you want to hang out for a bit? That's Tasha Troubles. Yeah, I enjoy all of you guys very much to watch all your videos. So if you want me to hang out, you guys just let me know when you're bored. I accidentally just showed the fucking thing on screen. The invite to the room. So it's going to get, unfortunately, joined with. I would have to reset it. Oh, my God. It's OK. Oh, we'll survive. I hate it when I do that. Get the copy of that. Throw it over there. Doot, doot, doot. Prepare to join a new room. It's OK. All those smart people in chat who are like, Mwaha, I'm going to join. Nobody will be there. You can all watch the video together on your own, independent of us. That is true. All right. Doesn't you like, by the way, Sargon, happy Brexit day. Oh, thank you very much. How was that today? It's every day now. Oh, yeah. All day, every day. No, no, it's we've been out of the European Union for nearly two weeks now. Oh, boy. So you're not just like one massive escape from LA style criminal hive island of. I mean, give it a few more days. Well, London is basically, yeah. Build a wall around London. Yeah. Is it like build a wall around London to touch it from Britain and sail off into the North Atlantic? All right. Free. Here's the video working for everyone. Don't enjoy the same rights or status as military members. Governmental leadership positions are reserved for the veterans and thus military minded people set the path of society. As we see in any society. I object because, again, you didn't have to join. You didn't have to join the military to become a citizen. It was just one option and this happens to be a war story, so that's the one we follow. What are the other options? They don't give you a comprehensive list in the book, but basically, they think up horrible duties for you to do. It's just stuff that sucks. You have to suffer. If you're handicapped, they'll give you something that would be... Like, they're not going to ask something that's impossible of you. Yeah. But it will be one of those aspects of I served in the way that I could. I gave in the way that I could. Make a video defending the lost Jedi, that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But the purpose is that, essentially, you have to kind of suffer through whatever it is. It's just a trial. No, it's like a genuine physical, emotional trial, because at the end of it, you'll remember why you have your citizenship. You'll take it seriously. You'll treat it like it's something valuable. Yeah, there's a... Which is, incidentally, the opposite of the way our governments act now is if our citizenship is worth nothing. There's a civil version of the military option, I believe, in this world. If citizenship is not a path, meaning if military service is not a path to citizenship, why do we do that with foreigners? Precisely. That's a really great point. Yeah, I like that there's an inherent notion that it's bad for veterans or something to have heightened or status that's preserved to them or reserved for them. I don't get it. And you can tell this because he treats the soldiers as if they're psychopaths. It's like, oh, we're trying to turn these into killing psychopaths. So that's not what the soldier is. And the soldiers are not separate from the civilization that creates them. Like, they're part of it. It's not, you know, he's trying to separate the two things if they shouldn't meet. Well, and it's always funny because if you look at the structure of America specifically, it's supposed to be 18 to 45, I believe, is the militia that can always be called into. That's like a... I'm not sure if it's codified into law that you have to do that, but in a time of war, I'm pretty sure that's one of the things you're supposed to do. Well, you've got the rights of the militia, haven't you? Yeah, exactly. And yeah, it's actually more arguable that the militia is more constitutionally oriented than a standing army. But that's another... Didn't your founders warn explicitly against standing armies? Absolutely, absolutely. And if you go to any of the tourist destinations that are like military monuments to the revolution, usually the tour guide is ex-military and is there because he admires the previous generations that served before them? And if you get into the meat and potatoes of it, you find out that most of the situations were enhanced and possibly won, like the Battle of Bunker Hill was won by private artillery that was owned by only a few rich people in the town and they actually used the cannons to dig out the parapets and the walls that they built up. And that didn't... Just as an aside, because I know Arch Warhammer and you guys like this kind of stuff. Yeah, I know, I'm interested. There was a super high kill rate for British officers because there were Scots that were being fielded and their lobster coats were worn down. So you could spot who was an officer and who wasn't by how shiny their uniform was. Plus the Americans were countered little cunts and aimed for the officers on purpose. Hey, we had to build a country. Had shit to do. I just realized the streets were going to turn off ours. Sogum didn't destroy it. I'm confused. Oh my God. Why is it still up? It's your fault. Well, I guess the weather wasn't that bad after all. I'm disappointed. God, you're not doing your part. More like expresses disappointment in God. He sends the Thai food to Britain that he's like, I'm doing my part. My house is still here, you pussy. Be governed by a military elite. Gentas never end well because they fail to understand the need for restraint on militaristic behavior or a balance of ideas in government. The fucking music, dude. You remember when the Mobile Infantry decided to butcher, you know, half a continent? No, of course. They killed loads of child bugs. Didn't you see that bit? No, yeah. Not the face huggers. Today is an adult bug of tomorrow. Can you really justify killing a face hugger rags? Um, you know, I just can't. I can't, especially because I'm vegan. Yeah. See. Isn't it vegan? Like, Tehran. Tehran, vegan. This manifests in a united citizen federation with a Mobile Infantry runner muck. With what? The Mobile Infantry runner muck? Runner muck. I don't know about that. What? I do know about that. What the fuck is he talking about? I'd love to know the references he has for that, yeah. Lieutenants don't hesitate to commit violence against infantry and training or place muck. You were just complaining about like just. Teach their fucking students. Oh, the horror. So as you did highlight, I guess violence would be relative to their current medical standards. And isn't isn't Rico put into some kind of weird Star Wars like tank at one point? And yeah. Yeah, that's after a bug stabs to his leg. Yeah, he gets fucked up, but he's okay. Yeah. Yeah. And you think because that when you get stabbed, that looks like it would have gone through the bone for sure, right? Like it's. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He gets he gets booped. But yeah, this remind me, why does he attack her? She says she gets a transfer, right? And she says. And she wants to prove that she's the toughest bitch of the bunch. And so she'd like, fight me. And he's. Yeah, all right. Yeah, and she does, she does assault him. All right. She could have. Well, she'd volunteer. Well, what I'm suggesting is that it's not like he does this with no cause. Like what? No, she doesn't just break her down and fucking sit. That's what I mean. Like it's not like he's looking at the ball goes, right, grabbing you going to beat the shit out of you. Hey, guys, make sure you don't annoy me with your looks. Value on the lives of their soldiers. Hardening soldiers for war is one thing. Throwing a knife through a recruits hand and disabling him. Except he's expressly fighting. Yeah, he spends the rest of the movie being an efficient fighter. So obviously this did not actually disable him. I mean, in this very moment, it disables him, but that's, you know, they're not free. That's like saying training hard makes you tired, which disables you, which doesn't make it very good training. So. Oh, I'm tired, though, right? I'm tired. I've been disabled by my own men. Doesn't he get like. Well, what is his position? Because he does pretty well, right? That guy, yeah. Yeah, isn't he promote tonight? Yeah. Yeah, it's like corporate level. Value on the lives of their soldiers. Harder. Also, just got to remind everybody that Ratczek's character has a robot arm. So, yeah, I think he think the knife in the hand. I think it's going to be okay. I think he's going to be all right. I think he'll make it. I want a robot arm. People could go into battle. The prosthetics are so good in this future that, oh, you don't have an arm. We'll give you a robot one. You'll be right in the front in no time. It's like, damn. Recruits hand and disabling him is moronic. The mobile infantry badly needs the. Wait, did you just describe it as moronic? Yeah. Value on the lives of their soldiers. Hardening soldiers for war is one thing. Throwing a knife through a recruits hand and disabling him is moronic. The mobile infantry badly needs the oversight of more politically inclined individuals. Like Chief Palpatine. No, I don't think fucking collapse the world in the fucking first place. Wait, was he suggesting Chief Palpatine? I don't know, man. Gorge. I don't think we can trust his tactician all fucking like really. What if he's like, okay, everyone, we're going to make a clone army? This is a statement that doesn't make any sense either because he's calling it a military junta. So that means that every soldier is a political agent because they're all ruling the state. And it's that. I mean, it is correct to vote. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It is correct that all of these are they are all politically minded because they're trying to earn their citizenship so they can vote. You know, is every soldier is essentially a politician in the same way that, you know, everyone who votes is involved in politics is like they are that thing. The next flaw is that the mobile infantry is a volunteer force. Now this is both a weakness and a strength. They should be using slaves. Well, let's let's see. I'm curious where he's going to take this. For today's video, we will consider the aspects that make it a flaw. In the Federation, the lack of compulsion means that the mobile. I got a skip in the video. Yeah, well, I'll drag it back. We need to make sure we hear him. Aspects that make it a flaw. In the Federation, one chooses to join the military, but doing so is the only way to become a citizen. So there are incentives to do so. That's not true, though. There are civil options, but yeah. Also, is it the only way to become a citizen in the movie? Is that true? I don't remember. It probably is true in the movie. But let's say that it is in the movie. Sorry, it's not forced inscription. Why is it playing on mine? If I pause it. It's not forced inscription. And at the same time, it's also not just a voluntary force and gives you a bonus that gives you extra voting rights and stuff and involvement in government. What exactly is the argument against why any of this is a... A flaw? I'm assuming, like, the first thought I had was that he's going to try and argue that it will give you less numbers overall compared to how many you could have if you forced them. But this is the thing. It seems like, I don't know, like say I'm trying to kill a criminal and he's in a room with 10 babies and I flamethrower the whole thing. I'm like, victory. I killed the criminal. And it's like, you need to consider what else you just did. Like, the other things that happened as a result of that. Like, it feels weird to isolate these quote-unquote flaws at all. Here's just a standard rule of warfare. Conscript armies fucking suck. Hello, I'm the Soviet Union. I would like to disagree with this notion. Are you kidding me? The killed death ratio? No. Conscript armies are just channeling shit. I love it. It's pretty bad. Yeah, it's fucking awful. Right, conscript armies. Yeah, but even then, they would have done better had they had a smaller and more disciplined and volunteer professional force. But they were the communists and they didn't have that. They did have that. That was what was stationed on the front line to Germany during Operation Barbarossa. Oh, and did it do well? No, it did fucking terribly. Just, I'm not going to advocate for Russian-style warfare at all. This is from chat. No, but that is a general maxim that I think you can stand by. Just clarification from chat. It's not about the right to vote to become a full citizen. And yes, you do have to do service, but not necessarily combat or not necessary combat. Wow, apparently that's in the film, but I really can't remember. Civil... You know, I can't remember. I can't remember being... So far the country... So far the country... ...talked about it, I think, because he's the one who handed out the applications and they were talking about, you know, what kind of service they were going for, Navy, military, or civil, etc. I think that was them. All right. It's funny to me because... He even says it's the best decision I ever made. Well, see, that's... Making me the man I am today. So this is the super interesting thing about that scene, right? So from the director's point of view, I think he's trying to say, look at this guy, and he's been brainwashed into thinking that was good. And then you see it from the perspective of, let's just take a random audience member called Bob, and Bob is like, I really like that that guy, despite having faced such an adversity, is proud of his work, is proud of the contribution he made to his society. And this is what I mean. He sacrificed practically all his limbs, and he's still full of praise for the system. And that's the thing, that the POV is really interesting that someone might be like, obviously a brainwashed idiot that's consumed by his, well, fascist slash, military imperialism nonsense, as well as like, well, he's just a veteran who's proud of defending his people. And you're like, to be definitive on it is pretty tough, you know? Well, you'd think that if he really was against it, then he wouldn't be out there as a recruiter, convincing people to do it. He would be disillusioned and upset. Well, the point is he's brainwashed. The point is that he thinks that what has happened is a good, while it's not. Can you name a brainwashed? I'm sure he doesn't think his own limbs being blown off is good, but like having done his duty is good. Yeah, it's a despite this. It's still, you know, I'm still glad that I did it, even though this happened to me. But you got to admit that all of the veterans that are in the movie have at least one limb taken away, usually, except for the instructors. But again, I love the fact. It's going to say, depending on POVs, I'm pretty sure this is RLM's perspective. They're like, see, it's the film trying to say, like, all of these teachers are all people who are victims of this war that brainwashed into thinking is an overall good. I'm paraphrasing that might not be the position, but I'm just saying that there's a potential position. Well, the alternative is that all of these experienced members of this system are explaining, and not only explaining, they're happy to debate it as well, which is quite interesting. Yeah, they have a justification for everything that they've lost. They've gained something in their minds for it. So that is the admirable way of looking at it. And then the negative way is looking at saying, they've lost as individuals. Drew Gordon said, ball is misreading the scene. I didn't even read it. I gave you two readings of the scene. Like what I read is, okay, that's fine. I wanted to make a point about the conscription thing, because I think it's funny how, you know, you can have conscription in a military service, whatever you that brings in all the people into your unit. But if you look at the way that the, like special forces or the higher tier, higher geared and higher trained forces choose their people, it gets harder and harder and it takes more and more individual effort to join those units, the further elite that you go. And I don't think that there's a special forces conscription unit anywhere in the world. So you need to offer the reward. And that's the essence of the military structure in Starship Troopers. Effectively, the entire military special forces were supposed to be anyway. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find somebody that was a veteran that thought that this movie had the politics completely off base, the way that it's presented structurally in the society. Oh my God, some of these, some of the memes that they've been making are insane. I just posted one there. Email bugs right to Jesus, my body. Wait, is this a meme? Yeah. I thought for a second it was going to be like a real Juan Rico pretty much does whatever he wants to fill, he doesn't act like a leader committed. When does he turn, catch some gage and... You mean intercourse? I knew a bug in that comment. What possessed you to call it a human intercourse? Oh my goodness. It's so... Because we have this whole meme before about whether or not you're an alien in this game can be found out through hacking. And it's so applicable to this. It's like, I've been hacked. I'm not an alien. I just think it looks like human intercourse. Isn't that what you call it, fellow humans? Is that not what we also call this? Like tell me the lie. All right. Way to become a citizen. So there are incentives to do so. Still, the lack of compulsion means that the Mobile Infantry cannot force the most talented humans among the populace to fight for them. Almost like a bug. Wow. He really sounds like a bug. It's like, but we need to get the warrior bugs to fight them because the cockroach bugs are bad at it. You know, we need... We can't have volunteerism. This guy is... He's applying some real... I'm concerned. Logic to this... Okay. I wonder how it's determined. Exactly. Just mark humans. Yeah. If they're wearing glasses, kill it. Wait, what? We need to redistribute the intelligence and capability of the human population. It's only fair. Oh, this is so great. I love this video. Flipside, this means that the Mobile Infantry is going to have to settle for the best soldiers they can get. Like Juan Rico, a complete... Oh, no. Yeah, that idiot who doesn't do anything. That moron who does... Yeah, okay. Why is he using good as an example of the best we can get? I thought he was really good. I thought that was kind of the point is that he... It's promoted a bunch and he does stuff and he kills bugs and he's a war hero. Absolutely. 100%. That loser. But he's like... He wants to go after the cheerleader or whatever. He's a football star. He's excels in training. He's exactly who you think he's holding. He has human intercourse. Yeah. I think it's interesting to think as well. Right. So you have like a selection of people. It's not... Where I was going to go with this is it's not just about the physical traits of the body for whether or not they'll be good in combat. Like it's clearly... If they're volunteering, then they're clearly on board. They have an interest. They have a stake personally in operating as soldiers. Yes, either they want to do it or they want the rewards of doing it. If you force a bunch of people, whether or not they're big and strong or whatever sort of attribute you're running with, have a feeling you might end up with the problem you were mentioning earlier where he was like, oh, weak-minded people who can't handle any of this. Like if you could script Eddie at all that you think are the best, who knows what you might end up with. There are drawbacks to each of these plans. Fellow soldier killed by taking off his helmet during a live fire simulation. Wait, sorry. What was he citing this as? Like an example of how he's incompetent. He made a mistake. Therefore, he's not good. Yeah, this was... You do get how unlikely this was. She got shot at the same time as he was checking the helmet for somebody and she shot in the direction of the guy without the helmet. It's very unlikely. Unfortunate. Still his responsibility though because he was leading the group. Yeah, this is the whole thing about Tai when we got earlier. It's like, well, he got out Fox that one time so he's an idiot. Yeah, I'm just gonna throw it back. Is that actually his point? Flipside, this means that the mobile infantry is going to have to settle for the best soldiers they can get. Like Juan Rico, a complete pups. Everyone has to! I mean, he gets a fellow soldier killed. Everyone has to settle for the best they can get. Gets a fellow soldier killed. It's so unfair as a representation of what happens in this scene. Taking off his helmet during a live fire simulation. Yes, Captain Diffy just called for a medic despite the fact that the soldier doesn't have a hand. The motherfucker is in shock. You have to do that. Yeah, that's what you always do. I mean, Jesus Christ. You understand what he accomplishes in this film. You watch the movie, right? Like you sat down and you watched the film from beginning to end. That idiot. You understand all the things he accomplishes. Is he gonna... Yeah. Yeah. It's like, does one mistake negate everything good that you do? Look, you might flip onto the back of a giant rampaging bug, shoot a hole in its carapace, and then dunk a grenade in there, leap off to safety as the thing explodes, saving all of your fellow comrades. But that doesn't mean that you're good at anything, okay? You made a mistake one time. You're a fucking idiot and you always will be. This is why this is what annoys me about people who talk about Hitler. I mean, yeah, sure, Holocaust World War, but hear me out. Hear me out, Autobahn. Veganism. You haven't seen his art, clearly. Passion, yeah. Passion, yeah, those shorts. Some people are saying, by the way, that the clarification about the scene, they don't know if the helmet would even have saved him. Because if you look at, especially on this screenshot, he was shot in, like, just above the eye from a downward position. There's a good chance the Breckenridge, I think his name, he would have died anyway. Maybe, maybe. Not, but that doesn't, I would, I would clarify myself, I'd be like, but the point is to not fucking remove the helmet during a live fire course, even if it's screwing up or whatever. You need to take him out of the area if you're gonna be careful. Even though- Oh, I will grant you this. Having a live fire course, where getting hit by the simulated lasers will cause the person with a fully automatic assault rifle to spasm uncontrollably is probably a recipe for disaster. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, because maybe, yeah, maybe we should just talk about how dumb that is in general, because they're being shot at by laser, sort of, standing enemies, right? They're just like little things that shoot lasers. Those lasers make them pull their triggers once they're shot with it, and it makes it just fire wildly. It's like, this doesn't seem like a good plan, guys. Like, I don't know if, I don't know what the benefit that outweighs the negatives are of that is training course. I mean, I guess I get the point. It's to get them accustomed to recoil and the sound of gunfire and bullets and stuff. I get it, but there are probably better ways to do this. In fact, there are, we do them. But I get it. Oh, also, I forgot. Hitler, he killed Hitler. So, yeah, there you go. What a hero. Man, man's a hero. Yes, Captain Dip just called for a medic, despite the fact that the soldier doesn't have a head. I love the idea, by the way, that you come home to, I don't know, a parent that's like, the head is exploded because they fucking, like, some horrible accident took place and you're like immediately called die, die, die. It's like, they're already dead. Yeah, we're not hurrying. It's like, chill out. Yeah, and also, tell me how you would react if this situation occurred to you, right in front of your face. I always got the impression that he knew full well that guy was dead. Like, he's just shouting for medic. Yeah, because he's just, it's just done. You see a soldier get hit. Your first instinct is to call for a medic. Like, it's almost like you don't even think about it. Boom, soldier was hit, you call for a medic. I mean, he wasn't a fucking, he wasn't helmet repaired tech. You know, he's not a fucking doctor, is he? So you called for a medic, but this guy's actually not dead. Did you not look? Like, come on, learn your lesson. And also, by the way, nothing is lost by calling the medic over. No, it's a waste of the medic's time, right? He's over there playing solitaire on his phone. James Ball said, oh, the chick who killed the dude, she ends up leaving the military too. It's like, yeah, because she's weak-minded. If she wasn't weak, she would have stayed. Yeah, I mean, that must be a heavy sort of thing to know that he's not your fault done, but man, that's got a way on you. She was sociopathic. She would have been like, oh, well, it's his own fault for letting him give his helmet taken off. That's war. People get shot in training. Training. It can happen. It can happen. That scene would have ended so much better. Yes, Captain Dip. Just called for a medic, despite the fact. Also, let's be clear. You just showed a man's head being graphically blown apart, but you censored the word dip shit. A little odd, but all right. We get that in YouTube videos all the time. It's hilarious. Yeah, we got that with that one Joker video we watched where the guy censored, like, the F-bar. Don't spoil it. Don't spoil it, because it's not the one from... The soldier doesn't... One of the cinema people ones. We're going to be covering them. And... Oh, my God, you're right. Oh, my God. Something funny happens. And I don't want to spoil it for the chat when they finally get to see it. There's so much material. But yes, it is. And the funny thing, I guess, about it is that it might be a reasonable thing to do, because a lot of people theorize that YouTube's like scrub your videos for swear words. Maybe not for graphic violence. You'd think they'd have some bot for that, though. Yeah, it's still just... It's weird that you would have to do that. That's the thing. It's weird that you could show something so graphically violent, but then... Oh, they can't handle the dipshit word. Also, someone brought up that the Starfleet Trooper universe has pretty insane medical tech, the things that Commend are astonishing. It isn't out of the blue that Rico calls for a medic. Yeah. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, probably. Yeah. It is possible to survive getting shot in the head. Maybe not... How much better would the scene be if he didn't yell for medic and we just slowly went out? The whole point of that is for him to second-guess his leadership capabilities and bust him back down to private. No, it's stupid. He shows... Is trained to a degree. He has concern. He is operating. He hasn't fully lost his faculty. He's not a psychopath. This guy's a shit soldier. Yeah, he doesn't smile and go, Woohoo! Yes, Captain Dip just called for a medic, despite the fact that the soldier doesn't have a head. This highlights maybe the most major flaw of the Mobile Infantry. Wait, that's it? Just that they through volunteering, they end up with shitty soldiers. That was his point. Well, if anything, this is more of a criticism of a live fire training course than it is volunteers. I don't see how you can't just make the argument in reverse. If you don't have volunteers, you end up with people who are totally unprepared and thus shit at warfare or some shit like that. Yeah, they're not there for good reasons. They're not cut out for it, or they don't want to be there. Are they looking for the first excuse they can to get out or to engineer an escape or to go AWOL? Sorry, I was just going to say, doesn't this also happen in regular exercises where you're trying to go prone and they shoot a machine gun over your head? And some people got up because they panic and they get their head shut off. Dying training, yeah, it does happen. Yeah, so I don't think that it's just that putting it on is a way of measuring it. There is an element of potential danger that comes along with getting trained for even more dangerous. Yeah, you're becoming a soldier. You have to be prepared for that. Its main hero is inept. He has no specials, he no- Really? Captain Putts is what- That's unfair. Wow. He's really good in the film. You highlighted just like one error. When he was learning how to be a soldier. This is really weird. Going strictly from the first film, because I don't know if he's just an idiot in the other films, but he gets promoted a lot. He's very decisive. He's accurate. He's a team building supportive person. He's brave. Yeah, I don't- What are your references? Give me something. He single-handedly kills a giant monster bug. Well, obviously, he can have human intercourse in only 10 minutes. And he has human intercourse, exactly. I wonder if he's going to bring up human intercourse as a flaw? Do it. Yeah, but he doesn't have psychic abilities, so he's not cool. That's true. I need human intercourse to be a top coin on this video. Human intercourse. He's got elite skills, and isn't that intelligent. Whereas many elite soldier forces are defined by a heroic- You're comparing him to Master Chief? That seems unfair. Isn't Master Chief like- Yeah, that is really unfair. He was engineered basically as a kid to be a super soldier. These are two completely different characters. He took a high schooler who volunteered for the military against fucking Master Chief. Like, I don't see how this is- If you're saying compared to a hyper-intelligent person, he's not very intelligent. It's like, oh, that's a real shock. Well, I mean, one of the things about Rico's character is he's not a genius. He's not some guy who scores A's on every course and everything like that. And it dovetails into what Archer was bringing up at Highline's point of the citizens are not more intelligent than the regular person. They are the regular person. He's not a Mary Sue. Yeah, but he's not meant to be something superior to the average person. It's showing that, look, the average person can do this because when the scientists, the hyper-intelligent people, all funny ideas into the head, they tend to actually end up killing millions of people and it all goes horribly wrong. I mean, that's the whole point of socialism is it's scientific and it's scientifically killed 100 million people in the 20th century. You know, so it's like, I don't know, being super smart does not mean that you get everything right. That's the lesson. Someone in chat, Archer, this might trigger you. He said, Master Chief is a 40-case space marine with better armor and less bulk. Oof. Oof. Oh, boy. Master Chief would be broken in half by a fucking neophyte. Don't know about the better armor part, certainly. That's a... Armor inferior. You can, because remember, you can get punched twice and die. Aren't space marines bigger than John just without armor? They're huge. They're not even like human. They'd be on average roughly standing shoulders and head above them. The only thing Master Chief has is that the recharge shield or whatever. Yeah, the armor helps, but he's got the recharge shield and obviously the training that goes along with it. But like 40k is... It's just another group of things. I wonder how it stands up to a fully automatic grenade launcher. Let's be real. Master Chief couldn't even be Doom Guy, so come on, guys. There's a reason these things exist in different universes. Yes. I like how it's just out of the loop. I have a blank. You got to get... I know literally nothing about Master Chief, so... Master Chief didn't even have human intercourse. He didn't. I don't think so. Neither do space marines. That's why they're superior. But they're not even humans, so it's okay. Oh, so they have alien intercourse? That's... That's borderline heresy. Fuck of wide variety of alien species, that is true. Okay. And yeah, lots of people have been continuing their point about the medic in chat. I saw the conversation going. Not only do you have ambulances on hand, apparently, with live fire courses, but medics will be going to bodies whether or not they're confirmed dead in the moment. And that on the 0.0001% chance, the person who's been shot in the head is alive. You would call a medic? For the sake of it? Yeah, it's like you always lose nothing, my friend. He's like, my friend just got his head blasted off. Like, could be alive. Just fucking... I'll just continue the exercise. Well, let me check his pulse. Let's see if we have any respite in the eyes. I'll bother a medic later. I don't like the idea that he calls for the medic and that this guy's just in that live fire course with Rico like, idiot, he's dead. Thanks, bro. Yeah, moron. Can't you see? He's... His premium is over there. This is an intensely weak-minded person who will go on to become a general, such as reflective of a very flawed professional life. We are shown that he is very good. He's weak-mindedness. He's chosen because he is very good at his job. That's like the whole point. I like how he's got no references outside of that one in training. Like, come on, dude. Can we find like a picture of the dude talking about this and we'll see if we can find an intensely weak-minded person? He doesn't make very many mistakes after. This guy is like, Johnny Rico is an imbecile. The guy calls him a dipshit when he's the same person who describes sex as human intercourse. I mean, at least Johnny Rico can wash his clothes before he makes a YouTube video. Oh, shit. And he can have human intercourse. Do we know if this guy has had human intercourse? Or is he even capable? He seems like he's, uh... He fraternizes with a lot of bugs. Are we sure he's not a bug? I bet he's a bug sympathizer. The Mobile Infantry is stuck with Johnny. It's that time of the month Rico. He almost quits the Mobile Infantry, a force he only joined because of a girl due to the helmet incident. What? That's more than enough reason. But he doesn't know. So for one, he doesn't. But two, is that all reasonable? You got one of your teammates and friends killed. Of course you're gonna be doubting yourself at that point. He's not a sociopath. Well, that was a flaw, right? Who wouldn't join the Mobile Infantry after they got nuked? Right? Makes sense to me. I just... Buenos Aires got fucked. Well, but he's highlighting it as... If your friends and family have all been wiped out, why wouldn't you fight the bugs? This is an intensely weak-minded person who will go on to become a general, such as reflective of a very flawed professional ladder. You did such a bad job of giving any credence to that argument. I don't know, you got someone shot moving on. You're like, okay. Next, we have the Mobile Infantry Transport Vehicles. In the film Starship Troopers, the main vehicle used for space travel by the UCF is the Corvette Transport. The Corvettes were often used to deploy dropships which carried Mobile Infantry platoons. The Corvettes are fast, but along with the dropships they transport, seem to have weak defenses and lack much in the way of offensive combat capabilities. Hold on, weak defenses? That is a plasma ball a couple kilometers wide. I was gonna say, I didn't know that they... Yeah. Yeah, with... I don't know how powerful the fences you were expecting. Yeah, I don't know if they're designed to withstand this kind of, this kind of, like, hit. Like, Captain, we've been struck by a small sun. Don't worry, we've been armored for that. Yeah. Can we have an advanced society? We'll be fine. It's funny for me to watch him complain about the ship stuff because my dad was actually the guy that was in charge of the unit that directed those miniature shots. So it's always funny for me to see the Klendothi drop stuff. Really? Oh. Yeah. That's really interesting. That's awesome. Let them send you up to say some more interesting things. Yeah. Tell me something else that's interesting about something relevant. Do it. The guys that did the explosions and the pyrotechnics on Starship Troopers, same people that did A New Hope and Empire. Oh. Some guys that did the miniatures. This explains why it also stands up today, to be honest. Because if you watch it, it does kind of stand up today. Yeah. Yeah, this was... The movie almost wouldn't have that look to it if it weren't for the fact that Sony had a division called Sony Pictures Image Works that was still had a physical unit. And the physical unit did miniatures and all sorts of small range locked in, in-camera effects. And unfortunately, when the digital stuff started to pick up after that and Sony started changing, Image Works became a digital company. And that physical unit was led by my dad. So that's the third one. Yeah. What do we... And also, what do we know about the armaments of these ships? Exactly. Are they designed to engage in space battles, essentially? Or are they just transports? I mean... We don't have that information, unfortunately. Not to my knowledge, anyway. Again, the transport vehicles available to the Mobile Infantry don't seem suited for battle against the alien enemy they're fighting. Designed to battle them specifically. They are designed just for a general use, I imagine. Yeah. And how are they not suited? The aliens don't seem to have space vessels. They seem perfectly suited. The fact that they can't withstand enormous plasma blasts is the contention, I suppose. It's just like, oh... I mean, I guess you could argue they're incapable of orbital bombardment, which fair enough. But the thing is, that's actually difficult. But that's also not true. They do bombard planets before going down to them later. But I love... Essentially, this argument is like a magic gathering argument. It dies to a removal. It's like, well, no shit. Like, things can be killed. Okay, yeah, yeah. It can be killed. That's true. Humans are shit. You shoot them once and they die. Exactly. Just because things are not invulnerable doesn't make them shit. Yeah, they seem to... I mean, they do seem to do a good job at what they do. And I think one of them... Isn't there an escape scene with one of the ships? It gets hit. But it's still integral enough for a lot of them to escape regardless? Yep, yep. You see some ships with massive chunks torn out of them still being able to make it back to their base. Pretty resilient. But I'd be curious if they have actual... Like, if there is a... If there is... Let's see, after... So the Yamamoto was the ship... Hit by a plasma launch from the surface, heavily damaged. Heavily, the ship returned to Fleet Battle Station, Ticonderogo, where it was docked despite still being on fire. Yeah, I mean, they seem to be fairly resilient. I mean, it'll obviously depend on where you get hit. But I'm also... I'm curious what their armaments are. Maybe there's a wiki entry or whatever. These last few points, he's just shooting them out, and they need to reach that 10. It's just like, I don't know. Gotta get to the magic number. And finally, our last flaw should be rather obvious. Despite the mobile infantry existing in a world of advanced technology, as we've previously discussed, they largely fight the gigantic bugs on foot. They don't use much in the way of an air force or ground vehicles, and in the films, don't have exoskeleton suits that give them enhanced abilities in warfare. This seems almost ludicrous. Why? I need to know why. Yet the lack of an alternate means of engaging the enemy is a catastrophic flaw. In other words, there is a... Oh, look, a scene where they win. ...three to which the mobile infantry... That's a great point. It does a great job. I mean, you know, I'm not gonna deny that it's like if they were, there's things they should be able to do, theoretically, that would give them more of an edge. Like, sure. They're not as good as they could be, I suppose. These will have been left out because the oven wasn't following the book for the military tactics of the thing. It was the politics and philosophy that... Yeah, and it's very possible that... Like, armies don't change overnight, so it's very possible that the armies that we see deployed against the bugs were simply the ones that were kind of the mainstays that were used in inter-human conflicts, where if we don't have any large-scale wars going on and it's mostly stuff along the lines of scattered resistance here and there, terrorism here and there, then you need human beings to deal with that in a way that artillery can't. Yeah, but the important point is that it just isn't following canon when it comes to the military equipment. Like, all of these problems are solved when you realise they're actually probably about a dozen guys in flying mech suits that shoot nukes. Where are the tanks? Where's the air support? Yeah, exactly, where are they? That was the men themselves were those things. That's why they called them the Mobile Infantry because they were in fucking jumpsuits, like in nuke cities. You know, it's all been taken out, so yeah, okay, it doesn't make any fucking sense. I agree, but that's not what it was. And we also see in later movies yeah, they much more, especially when they can just, it's all CGI and it doesn't matter what the pixel is, you know. They have all this stuff. They have the super exoskeleton rocket flying suits and the big air forces and stuff. And it looks great. Carmen is reckless when she's moving the ship. I, it was a plot hole. Oh, wow. Someone just sent a, someone sent a super chat, might be topical. Aircraft is useless against artillery and tanks would be useless due to unknown terrain of the planet. Try again. I don't know about useless. How is aircraft useless against artillery unless you're talking about. I get at least suggesting that they couldn't use aircraft because of the alien artillery, but I mean, they can clear the area or confirm that they're not there and especially smaller ships, surely, because they can avoid it. Yeah, they have fighter ships and like strike ships, gun boats, things of that nature. And I don't know about tanks being useless. It's like, sure, I see the idea that if they're using conventional treads, maybe they would be useless in some areas because of the terrain, but you would still have other options. You'd still have artillery, especially if it's set up in a location, assumingly it would drop in. Like tanks were deployed and used against Montecasino. They were used in Russia. They used in the desert. They're still used in the desert. They were used in the book colleges. Tanks are not useful just in flat terrain. Are they less useful in certain types of terrain? Sure. But it's still a heavily armored gun carrier with half a dozen machine guns on it. And I think you'd assume that they would be dropped in. That they can't have any other form of like movement. Like why would we assume that the Starship Troopers sort of technology means they'd only have that specific kind? Like, I assume they'd have some other stuff. Things that could be like the bug. The ideal platform would simply just be a fast, solid-wield vehicle with a couple of twin-linked heavy machine guns. You fantastic. Perhaps a power armor suit. Yeah, right. With jetpacks. But I don't understand this idea. Maybe a TAC-NUC on it. Yeah, the train's not good enough for jetpacks. The idea that air superiority doesn't win the day is constantly countered by every day in Syria. The Russian military is basically taking back most of the land with the Syrian ground forces doing the cleanup operation. Yeah. So if you could... And that's the Russian Air Force. That was fucking... Exactly. Yes, yes. See, and there's all the artillery that's available that's horse carried or whatever or mechanical that's on the ground, but you can't defend it against aircraft that have, what is it, laser-guided missiles or... Yeah, what are you gonna do? Right now, aircraft-based weapon packages are at the absolutely most lethal. And frankly, there is very little anti-aircraft defense that remains that is actually effective. If a civilized nation, if America wants to deliver a bomb to a target, there's fuck all you can do to stop it. And that goes for whatever the aliens are gonna have. They have those giant plasma things that shoot slow projectiles. You can obviously send in... What's the A-10? What class of bomber is that? Whatever, it's close combat. Yeah, ground attack. Yeah, that would wreck a lot of ass. Yeah. So, yeah. There you go. We've addressed something there, definitely. Another chance to rate the mobile infantry after my next video highlighting their positive aspects. And if you haven't seen Alan's video on clone trooper flaws yet, please check that out and vote there as well. Hmm, I can imagine that being annoying too. It's like the same argument, but it's copy pasted for Star Wars. But no, they make the opposites. They're like, the clones, they didn't volunteer. They're just conscripted. They're like, okay, all right. I think they can easily be countered by just going, hmm, an expendable army of the best bounty hunter in the galaxy. Yeah, a short term. Can't see the downside. A short-lived, temporary, essentially disposable, well-trained, biological unit that goes into battle again. Okay, well, yeah, that's not unreasonable. I guess we'll just finish this out and see what happens. And stay tuned for Alan's next video, which covers the advantages of clone troopers. For now, my friends, remember Argentina, obliterate the aliens, and humanity first. Wash your face. I'll catch you next time. Generation Films, peace. Toodle. We did it. We did it. I think he could have done a better job. That's just, that's my take, okay? Geez. Bizarrely unfair in weird perspectives. That was fun. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where it's just like... That's the problems is when you have like a list. Okay, we need to find 10 things. We can only find three things. Fuck, make up the rest. Well, sort of have to like split that up into like five more somehow, and then just make up the rest. There was a guy in the chat called Blame the Controller in here. He's let me know that he'd be interested in just commenting on some of the stuff we've been over because of his experience. He's apparently watched the movie many times, read the books, eight years military, with staff, sergeant, trained soldiers, and was deployed, et cetera. We could point out some extra bits about how this guy was making dumb arguments. And he's able to pick up. We can explore a little bit, How much time we got you guys for now, Argonne? I'm actually, I think I'm going to shoot off. Can we get even 10 more minutes or something? Not like watching a video just chatting. If I'm going to have a cigarette, then I'll be back and get another cup of tea. Yeah, go for it. I'll be back in a minute. I've got another 30, then I'm going to head up. All right. Sounds good for me. I feel like we're going to have to collect up a whole bunch of questions for you guys. Stupid super chats. They think just because you're here, that you will be here later. How insane is that? No sense of logic. Ridiculous. But I will think about trying maybe to do a de-fap in future, where it's literally just talking about the stuff the super chats have said to you guys, because like I said, I've got like 30 questions saved from last time, and then there'll be the ones this time, too. We had a backup video, but it looks like we won't need it. So, Glib, how's your day been? It's been great. Excellent. I am in the process of working through a script right now, and I had a table read the other day, so that's going pretty well. How's your Patrick Willems thing going? My Patrick Willems video is about 75% complete, I'd say. There's a couple of things that I want to rerecord, because I don't really like my own points as much as I did, and then the visual aspect. Now I understand how hard it is for you guys to find relevant footage. Sometimes it's just, you have to go through all your library. Paul Bethel has been suffering through that, because he's been editing his job-wick video. He's like, look at Nightmare, when you spend like an hour and you get, oh yeah, I managed to get that five seconds right. Yep. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes it's really rewarding. I've been talking to a lot of people and showing them my stuff, and people seem to like it, so I think I'm on the right foot. I wonder, I just am nervous about what the effect is going to be, because I haven't done this before. So I don't know if it's going to be just a flop or whatever, and get like a couple hundred user, if it's going to have some kind of impact. And if Patrick sees it, I wonder what his response is going to be. If he finds out you have any association to evap, you won't respond at all, I think. It's not going to be hard. You'll just need someone to tell him that, and then he'll be over. But yeah, I guess we'll see. It could be interesting. Yeah, and I'm excited to get past it too, because I want to start just doing straight movie reviews, because responses I feel like are best done organically. When you have to actually like write something out, and then read how the other person's wrong, it feels like a court document. Yeah, I suppose I can read out a couple of the questions I've got here. There's specific for Arch, if you're interested. Go ahead. Like I'm going to pick these at random, until they're all gone one day, which I'm sure we'll have. Hey Arch, do you know the YouTuber Lutin09? His 40k law vids are very entertaining. Yes, I do know him. The good shit? Hang on, well actually. Oh well, there you go then. Hi Arch, if you're still here. You are my web way drug into 40k. What is your favorite 40k or inspired by 40k game? Favorite 40k game? That's a difficult one. That's a large question these days, because there's quite a lot of 40k games now. It's gotta be one. I think honestly, I gotta go with one of the old classics, Shadow of the Horned Wraths, just because of it did shit that was so cool and forward for its time. Like it was total war back in 1900s. That's a good one. Yeah, I don't play a lot of 40k games, because I'm not huge in like RTSs and stuff, and a lot of them tend to be that. But I really liked the Space Marine, and I have really enjoyed both of the Vermintide games, though those are the End Times. And I generally have a bit of a preference for fantasy over sci-fi, but both of those games slash series have been really good. Really good. And then it ended with, and if you're not still here, hi Jay, big fan. We found out Jay. Why though? Arch, can vampires sustain themselves on orphans? I don't know. It's a bit of a unique taste, I suppose, but I don't see why not. Well, we established long ago that orphan blood has like slightly different rules, but I suppose you would know whether or not it's possible vampire experience. I happen to say that it's going to be a lesser taste. It's probably going to sustain them, naturally. Yeah, it'll probably sustain them in the same way that the reflected light from the moon doesn't kill them. Tell Arch that the Death Core of Kreeg is the best regimen and anyone who disagrees is a heretic. It's not far from the truth. Tain it first and only. And that Kreeg Astartes would be scarier than anything in the warp. They're not hard enough to be Astartes. Hi Arch, I love your content. Tell the story of Tusker Daemon Killer and the Blood Prince Balls. Blood Prince's Balls. Tusker Daemon Killer. So Orcs like fighting. That's the only thing they like. They just want to fight. And so they wandered into the warp on a Daemon world, the Daemon world being a planet outside of reality where the Daemon in question decides all the rules and he got insulted by the arrival of the Orcs. So what a bridged version. Tusker didn't care about his offense and crushed his nuts in a paraclaw. The Daemon didn't enjoy this. The Daemon then cursed them to stay on his planet for all eternity and being slaughtered every day for best of eternity in a giant battle. The Orcs could not have been happier. My God, so many facade on Arch. You're just not as cool apparently. That's true. Also Ho Ho Hai Hai rags. Ho Ho Hai Hai. And Cole for Jay. Yeah, no, that's fair. You've got any more for you in my selection? Yeah, this giant one is just so many saga ones. Disgusting. Well, and I think I think the guy is actually trying still to join. He's having some trouble, unfortunately. But yeah. Here's a nice little aside. You guys remember that actor dude, Juicy Smollett, who claimed to have been attacked by people wearing mega hats? Yes. I remember all that. He has been indicted again for false testimony. Oh boy. For the same thing. Yep. Oh, joy. What's going to happen to him? So presumably whoever he paid off the first time has decided that he wants more money. Well, oh yeah. I guess I can look at the new ones as they get in as I try and organize a bit better. There's control left arch in the Superchats and I got 246 results. That can't be right. Something's wrong. But the first of the citizens says, Arch, what do you think of Titanicus? Titanicus depends. Are we talking the video game? Are we talking the board game? Are we talking the organization? Broad question. I have no idea. Which one do you are you most familiar with? I'll leave it all of them. Well, if you're talking about the book, Titanicus by Dan Abnet, that was pretty good. He's talking about the board game. I don't know. I haven't played it. If he's talking about the video game, then that was okay. If he's talking about the board game from the fucking 80s, I did play that and it was awesome. Bit of a broad question, as I mentioned. Oh, now I'm getting like a whole bunch of new ones for you specifically. Hey Arch, have you heard of Voldemort's guide to Warhammer? His audio drama slash law is very nice. I have not heard about that. No, sadly. If you could witness the combat of any war in history, what would it have been? The combat. So combat A battle? Yes, I assume. From a position of relative safety, I would assume. Oh, sure. Yes, let's just, yeah. It'd probably be Kersk because that would be fun. Just thousands of all my vehicles blowing each other apart. And so it'd be after the guns, after firearms, some sort of conflict that was in the Middle Ages. In the Middle Ages, just a lot of bunch of dudes bopping each other over the head with heavy metal objects. It's boring. I don't know. Let's think about it. Boring to you. Talk about like a marathon and stuff like that. We have naval aspects of it. Bunch of sweaty men just pushing up against each other for very long periods of time. Stabbing occasionally. As well. So you like the longer range explosive combat? The thing with hoplite combat is it's, yeah, it's really boring. You've got the heavily armored dudes up front. You know, they're not all taking that much damage. You've got big hoplons. They're shoving and grunting at each other. It's more gay sex than combat in my opinion. Think about like castle sieges and stuff of that nature. That could be nifty. Sitting on your ass for years at a time, waiting for the poor sobs inside to start. No, no, like sieges, actual sieges. I mean like Jerusalem and stuff. Think of all the cool ass battles that must have happened. Those are outliers, though. You don't usually want to attack. But you get to pick them and you get to pick the individuals you want to see. You could wash the, I don't remember the name, but that sieges the Romans did against the Jews in Israel where they had like a giant mountaintop fortress and the Romans being the autistic little cunts they were. It was like, yeah, we're just going to build a ramp 100 meters tall, screw you. Wasn't that the Siege of Masada? That might be it, yeah. I think, I'm not sure. I love the Romans approach to Siege warfare. Like there was the famous quote that nobody knows if he's real. If one guy was like, aha, we've got no food to last us five years in a day. And the Romans were like, cool, we'll come back into five years in two days and take your city. I mean, I bet there'd be a lot of crazy, you know, medieval and classic battles, especially naval warfare with ships ramming each other and all sorts of cool stuff. I bet there'd be a lot of awesome choices because ramming, penetrations, meh. Mola playing tabletop with Arch and the Gang when? Tabletop for nudes. I play real men games. That like Simpsons hit and run. That's a real man game. Will Movie Bob be a villain in VTM Arch? I don't think I can fit him in the script. Movie Bob? Well, first off, he's too evil to be a Nazi, so he couldn't be on our side. He would probably fit in the Soviet Union, though. He's the one in charge of eating all the food. In charge of the eating. Supernatural aspect of gluttony or stuff. Arch, have you seen my Arch marines versus Tyranids fan art yet? That's from Mendez with hands. Or Mendez with hands, I'm not sure. I have not. Where has it been put? He's not specified, but that was the account name. Also, high rags. Hello. Some Arch, the Imperium using the death core versus the CIS. Deathcore, man. CIS. Are they referring to the droids? Yes, to the droids. Yeah, those guys. They're probably deathcore. The droids are retarded. Droids aren't great, but there's a shit ton of them, and some of them are pretty lethal, like the classes. The thing is, with that kind of technology, you should actually be able to build an absolutely superb automated army really easily. And yet they didn't. They made them comic relief. Well, yeah. The weird choice I always found was in the Revenge of the Sith. They make the droid voice goofier. Like in the first two, they're almost low-pitched and very utility-based noises, as in like, Roger, what are you doing here? How is this, blah, blah, blah. But then in the third one, they're like, I guess more child-friendly? And remember when they're falling over, they're like, wow, that sort of thing? It's like, huh. Why would you program your droid, your battle droid, to make that noise? In case it's a surprise, it needs to be able to vocalize that surprise. I need it, yeah, because when I first saw it, even as a kid, I was just like, this is odd. These don't feel like Archie Weave. Talk about your favorite, Isakai. Isakai. All right, that's... We're getting into the deep anime now, are we? Favorite Isakai. God damn it. Why are these broad questions? It's difficult to come up with one thing. I'm so sorry, the realm of the super chat. Favorite Isakai. Um, Tanya the Evil. That counts as Isakai. Um, Arch. Movie? Am I? I guess Mobile Infantry. This is the deathcore of the Kreeg. Fuck it. DKOK versus the entire Terran Federation. Who wins? That's cool. They have more dudes. And uh, and the follow-up, I guess, is how large is the TFs and Mobile Infantry's trauma? As in like, I guess, what would their losses be? Trauma. Hmm, large and sad. The Mobile Infantry is, in the way they have shown in the movies, it's a terrible fighting force, but again, probably due to a bunch of serious strengths, because they need fucking weapons that aren't, you know, carried by rendos. Wait, some people have said, Shad disagrees with what? Anything Arch said was there? Don't know. Um, Hey there Arch, love your videos man, you helped me really get into 40k. Quick question, do you plan to do lore videos about the Farsight Enclave, Farsight himself, and or how that faction operates? Possibly? Hell, even probably. But when? Only God knows. Hmm, four runners from Halo, or Necron from obviously, Force for Arch please. Necrons. Hmm, the Necrons literally eat stars and use them as ammunition. Oh, I can do that. Anyone can do that, it's easy. Yeah, the four runners were pretty, I mean, they had the, you know, being able to build all the Halo installations and all that stuff. Have we seen the four runners? Have we actually seen what their civilization looked like, or just their robots? No, I think we only kind of just see the remnants of what they left behind, and we have to go with the implications of it as far as I'm aware. Yeah, I didn't play Halo 4 or 5, so I don't know. But based on the scale of the stuff they were able to create and build and what it could actually do. Well, let's put it this way. If Space Marine armor can be flayed, like layer by layer, by a simple Gauss gun from the Necrons if I recall, then it stands to reason that they would be able to take out the four runners because they're not that much more powerful than... I don't think that stands to reason because a lot of the four runners of what we understand is they're, we know them most by their large installations and they're like, remember what the Halos were meant to do. Yes. So knowing that they could do that, you know, what else could they do as a result or by implication? It's certainly, you have to... Yeah, you're right. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, the ability to just destroy all sentient life within a galaxy essentially just like that is... That's pretty potent. But we don't know what the Necrons are doing, though. They're just doing it slower because they like making people suffer. I don't know if there's enough information on the Halo side of things and I think that the Necrons are deliberately ambiguous in how powerful they are. Isn't it because the Necrons are actually a creation of another species, right? The Necrons tricked them into all walking into a gigantic machine that turned them into brain-dead metal monstrosities for the most part. So isn't it more reasonable to say the Necron versus the four runners as opposed to the Necrons? And is the big thumbs somehow bitch-slapped by the Necrons and the new Fluff and now they're their slaves, basically? Oh, jeez. Well, I don't know anything about the new additions. I can't... In my world, just so that you understand, Cadia still exists, but... In my world, Cadia still exists as well. Yeah. So whatever the actual Fluff is right now, I can't call into reason, but I don't know. Seems like there's not enough information. Archimperium fighters versus F-22 Su-35 other 5th gen. I feel like that might be a weird thing to listen to in terms of the things we posted it in case it makes more saids when written. Imperium fighter F-42, Sierra. Yeah, that's a modern-day fighter. It really depends. Like the thing is, the Imperial fighters avoid capable craft. So they could literally just be chilling in the absolute upper atmosphere using guided weaponry and our modern aircraft would not really be able to engage them at all effectively. But down on ground level, in a dogfight, yeah, the modern aircraft would actually vastly outperform Imperial Thunderbolts and Lightnings because they were designed to be rugged war horses capable both of atmospheric operation and void operations. Hey Arch, have you heard of Voldemort's guide to warhammer, his audio drama? Oh wait, did I read that already? I think I did. You did? I'm so sorry. And that one was... Oh yeah. Is Arch a car guy? Car. I own one. It moves when I press buttons. That makes you a car guy. Also speedrun hit and run. Maybe one day, if one metal comes over, I'll speedrun it with it and we can hot seat it and have drinks. It'll be great. I'm back. Hello. Hello. And... I'm not gonna be back for long. Oh wow. Abandoning again, huh? Yeah, well... Yeah, 10, 15 minutes. You promised you'd be here for 17 hours. I don't ever call making any kind of promise like that. And it's why I don't visit most of the countries in the world. It's like they're 17 hours away. Or more. Whoa, what a coincidence. Yeah, seriously, it does take ages to get anywhere. I hate it. I will, I mean, I may as well just take this time to read out a bunch of superchats that came in the last time you were here that were directed to you and see what we can do about getting as many of them through you before you leave. So... Sargon, did you see Dadsy Pelosi stutter today? I didn't. That would have been a month ago, I guess. Ham, ham, ham. Oh, right, that was eight ago. No, I didn't. No, I don't know. That's referring to... Sargon, you're finally... Go ahead. Well, just her impending loss in the impeachment, presumably. Sargon, you're finally on EFAP you absolute massive. How are you? I'm very well, thank you. Gonna drop F for a start is really infuriating what happened to him. You got all that back now, right? Yeah. Good. All right, can you hear me now? Hello. Oh my god. All right, finally. That was embarrassing. Is the quality okay, by the way? Yeah, it's good. You sound good. Okay, I have three different microphones on my desk. There's actually a reason for it. And I just spent the last 15 minutes trying to figure out why a microphone wouldn't work on a computer that it wasn't connected to. Because I have it connected to a different computer. And I was pressing the buttons. I'm unplugging stuff. I'm going in the back. And I'm like, why is this microphone? Why is this Yeti not working? It was working literally 12 hours ago. And I finally came to the brilliant realization that I was using the microphone for the other computer. So problem solved. Excellent. What did you want to talk about? Well, now we're like an hour late. But no, it's just like when I was hoping the video was going to be longer. But when you was talking about just the military stuff. Now, you know whenever you watch a movie and you see them doing something that you are proficient in. For a lot of you guys, it's probably gaming and stuff. Every video game depiction in a movie or TV is just beyond idiotic. They have the flapping mannerisms of like my mother did when the first time she ever tried to play Mario Brothers. Trying to get the character to jump and move in the controlled around frantically. But when you're talking about military stuff, like anyone who's been in the military, like when they do stuff in these movies, like there's so much stuff that's wrong. But I mean, you can expect it because, you know, they probably having. Yeah. Well, you know what, and the thing that's actually aggravating is there are military advisors on all these movies. Every single movie that has anything to do with the military, whether it's realistic or fictional, they have military advisors that are telling them to do stuff. And like, when I see mistakes, I'm like, how did you let this go through? But I guess when you're talking about like this dude who's like reviewing a military movie, and he's critiquing military things, when he clearly has no understanding whatsoever about how any of this stuff works. And again, sorry, go ahead. I was just going to ask you if you had any examples that you thought were like pretty pertinent. Like, was there anything in the tactics or the in Starship Troopers that you feel like he was unjustly? The way he treats the men. But they're not robots. What do you think about the idea that they need to be sociopathic in order to rank the highest? So here's the thing. There is a breaking down kind of aspect to it. When you get into basic training, which is kind of the start of the movie, they do treat you like garbage. Just like what you've seen in Full Metal Jacket and the other ones, they treat you like garbage. The point is to strip you down to basically just the raw you. And then they try to rebuild you in the way that the military needs you to be. You have to go through some not pleasant stuff when you're in the army. And you need to have the mental fortitude to deal with that stuff. So it starts out with very little things, you know, them just making fun of you for having glasses or being overweight or something. But eventually you have to realize that the potential end is you in a real firefight and your buddy who you've been friends with for the last three years gets shot in the head. Like that's a very real thing. And you need to have the mental... I mean, no one is ever going to be fully prepared for something like that. But the idea is that you don't collapse into nothingness and you don't start just balling and curling into a ball. You need to be able to do what needs to be done. Drag your buddy over to the side so that he's protected. Administer first aid if you need to and then continue the fight. So it's not so much as like making sociopaths or nothing like that, but you do need to have a mental toughness and an emotional toughness. And a lot of people just don't have that. And certainly not to the level that the military needs. So they really do need to break you down. When I was going through basic training, I always... It didn't faze me. Because I knew it wasn't personal. I mean, it was still... There's certainly some things that will tick you off. When you have to do push-ups and stuff because the idiot next to you screwed up, it makes you mad, but none of it's personal. Actually, before I got out, they actually asked me to be a drill sergeant at boot camp. And I was like, no, I think I'm gonna pass on that one. I would rather just get out now. That's already interesting. Yeah, yeah. Are you gonna relate it back to the whole sociopathy element that he was sort of advocating for you? What was your opinion on that sort of take from him? The... Oh, so I do have to throw a caveat here. I didn't catch the... Like right when I started chatting in your live stream is when I started catching. I didn't catch it from the beginning. So, unfortunately... He basically says that a flaw with the mobile inventory is that they form very obvious bonds based on... For lack of a better term, affection or love, or they have very human reactions to a lot of things. They need to be hardened and turned into... And he uses the word sociopaths as if that's a... No, that's dumb. Well, don't care for the people around you. Every soldier, you always form attachments to the other people in your platoon. And even if you... Here's the... I'll give you a great example, okay? When I was going through... This is not the basic training story. When I was going through basic training, my platoon, third platoon, warriors, we hated one another. I cannot stress the amount of internal animosity that was present in this platoon. We absolutely hated one another. But when it came to the training exercises, we dominated everyone, every single time. Because when you're in that platoon, even if you don't really care for the guys next to you, you are still on the same team and you're still on the same goal. So, you... You're gonna work together and you're going to do everything you can. Like, you know... It's funny, you do the training obstacle courses and stuff, and you're helping... Yesterday, you wanted to punch this dude in the face, and today you're helping him climb over the wooden barricade and you're giving him encouragement. Come on, come on. So, there's a sort of camaraderie that you get. And that's from people you don't like. When you actually like people, it's even more. So, you're never just gonna be like this robotic terminator thing on the battlefield. As much as you want to complete the mission, you care about your friends. I mean, this is why men will jump on a grenade in order to protect their buddies. Like, it's not that you're less human, it's that you are very much human. You're even more to an extent because you're willing to give your life to save your friends. Even the dude who you don't even like in the platoon. So, the idea that everybody is just like the sociopaths or whatever is just ridiculous. Can I ask us the quick question? Have you ever had any experience with conscripts before in training with other military or... Yeah, I was in NATO for two years, stationed in Naples, Italy. And that was a disaster. I'd rather go back to Iraq. For the sake of argument here again, just to clear one thing up, Italians are not white. I also worked closely with some British soldiers when I was in Kuwait. And in Iraq, there's also the international forces and stuff. So, I also did some training exercises with a bunch of people, some Polish soldiers and stuff. Did you ever have any accidents in your training exercises or live fire exercises? Yes. Nobody got killed, though. You know that trope in the movies where they're going through training and they throw the grenade and some idiot always bumbles it and drills sergeants. Like, get out and he pulls you behind the barricade. That actually happened when I was going through basic training. So, it's not totally unreasonable that something like that would happen. It is real. So, that was, truth be told, that was the single most terrifying experience of my entire basic training. I went through the live fire that you guys mentioned before where they're literally shooting over your head with live rounds. Like, it's about 10 feet off the ground and you have to crawl through mud and there's like the real explosions. We granted they're behind these little kind of fence barricade mound thingies but there are real explosions, real bullets going over your head and you have to crawl through it. That's not very fun. But the single most terrifying experience was with the live grenades because some of these guys are dumb, all right? So, that's another point where he's wrong about the army having all hyper-intelligent people. Oh, God, no. Some of these guys are dumb. Well, who thought that they were all hyper-intelligent, though? Oh, no, no. Well, you were saying that he's a bad protagonist. Well, yeah, he thinks that Rika, an idiot, so his scale of what an intelligent person is is very high. None of us. Anyone who spent any time around the military will know that it, like, this is why I get really annoyed that fucking the progressives in London are taking a massive dump all over like North F.C. It's like, no, you fucks. These are the people who fucking fight for the country. Like, it's not you, is it? It's not middle-class soft-handed journals fighting for the country. No, it's the rough patriots from the heartlands who end up fighting for the country. So, there's an aspect of that I've always just hated the kind of shitting on the working class. It's like, dude, I've spent more than enough time around these fucking people and they've recruited to know where they go and why they do it. You know, it's all quite high-minded, really, as well. So, yeah, anyway, sorry, I don't want to... No, no, no, it's fine. But it's just an obvious, you know. Well, I mean, you have to realize that there's different jobs, too, right? Like, it's... So, I was what's a 25 Bravo. The long, fancy name is Information Systems Operator Analyst. Normal speak, it's just computer guy. So, I ran networks. I, you know, managed everything on the land and the land and all that sort of stuff. But, I mean, you have different specialties in the military. Not everyone is, like, just in, you know, a knuckle-dragging. Military soldier. Yeah, moron, right? But going... I want to tell the grenade story because it's actually pretty funny. So, some of these guys are not too bright, right? And you have about 200 soldiers, okay? We're in two single-file lines, so 100 each. And so, in front of you is men to your side, to behind you. Every single one of them has a live grenade held to their chest. And I wouldn't trust some of these guys to carry the eggs in from the grocery store. And these guys are holding live grenades. I was so... That legitimately terrified because I was afraid that one of these idiots was gonna... What is gonna do it? And then, when, you know, I went up there and I just like, okay, you know, you do the little thing. There's a sequence that they teach you. You hold the grenade a certain way. You swipe out the... You sweep out the key. You let the spoon pop, and then you throw it, right? And I went up there, I did my thing. That's it. Good. Get out of the line. It's actually kind of funny because when the drill sergeants are dealing with you, when you have live ammunition or a live weapon or something, they will treat you like, you know, the best ever, right? But as soon as you're done, you stupid mother, get the hell out of here, right? Like, it's hilarious to see this switch. But after I threw mine, yeah, someone fumbled theirs and they had to duck behind the barricade thing and it went off. And I was like, oh my God. And I'm like, I'm just glad this is over. But yeah. So they're not all rocket scientists. That's for sure. They're not. And it's not an insult to say that. It's just a fact. And with highlights, you guys are misinterpreting the video. He wasn't comparing them to a modern army. He was comparing them to space marines. And I think that's as retarded as being like cavemen and modern military. They're both human. So let's compare their tactics. Yeah. And also it's apparently a series where he's judging space marines versus other space marines versus other space marines. And to like the comparison, for example, with Master Chief on intelligence, it's so unfair when you know the context difference. Like it's just like, what is the point of this discussion if you're going to be bringing in like things from fiction that are completely different? Like what is it? You're going to conclude that they're not doing as good of a job as the people in Halo when there's a completely different technology and time. I mean, I agree that that's a valid thing to do, but maybe you should have mentioned it. Not if you conclude, what I'm trying to say is that it's an interesting comparison to say which one might win in a theoretical fight. But I figured that was obvious from the get go with something like this comparison. You're like, which is the better space marine? Like in Master Chief or Rico? It's like, I don't think there's even an argument to be made. Actually, Rico would destroy him if it was in the book. It's kind of a shame that they didn't do it. In fact, I think maybe Sargon can back me up on this one. I believe the Starship Trooper book is the thing that popularized the idea of Mech Infantry, because in the book, they had power armor and it was described as looking like a giant gorilla. And you were like 10 feet tall. What does Master Chief do? I've never played it. Is it Halo comes from, right? His abilities aren't particularly like... Imagine a really, really, really good... I'm going to have to head out. So I'll talk to you guys again later. Well, before you go, do you want to just let people know about your channel so that you can go check you out if they haven't already? Or not? It's completely... Well, everyone has to do it. It is a rule. His channel's Arch Warhammer. Go and watch it. What does he do there? You got to tell people what he does there, otherwise they'll be confused. I speak noises about Warhammer 40,000. Usually, yes. And other things. And he's deep in the lore. If you liked his perspective, if you enjoyed his voice, check out his channel. It is in the chat and in the description. And thank you very much for hanging out with us. It's a lot of fun, dude. We'll have you back sometime if you're willing. Yeah, sure. Well, this was a lot of fun, but I have to run. So I'll talk to you, maybe even. Talk to us sometime. Yes. Yeah, we will catch you later. All right. Human intercourse. Oh, yeah. That was a great phrase. How much longer do you guys have right now? I woke up right when I started talking in the chat. I was up all night. I figured that once Sargon has to pop out and once you've said what you wanted to about that video, if you both pop out, we'll be doing super chats then until we reach the end of them. And I'd happily bring you on for a future episode if we ever get to cover. I'll see about checking out, because some people are complaining about that. They did a video on the clones from Star Wars. And if they've done one and maybe me and Rags can sort of vet it, see if they say some stupid shit. And we can make that a future one, if you want. I think they might. I think they might. You know, clones don't think for themselves. I might duck out myself, actually, just because it's got midnight now and I don't want to be up all night. Oh, shut up. I played Left Dead with you like fucking 5 AM the other day. Yeah, I know, I know. But I've got stuff to do tomorrow. That is absolutely fine. I didn't have anything to do. It would be fine. In that case, would you like to tell the people about your channel a little bit before you go? Oh, my channel is a CAD Daily and I just talk about just political things and things that are on my mind, I guess. But, you know, I tried to make it interesting. I don't waste people's time. There is a good chance that most people in chat have heard of you already. But hey, if not, and you enjoyed his take on Starship Troopers being a wonderful utopia and the bugs got what they deserved, Joker style, then check out his channel. Which they did. And it is. Love what you've been doing. Sorry I haven't been watching you since you had that white background and we made it to the Gamergate, so we can't get stopped. That's a definite age. Doesn't everything just feel so different now? It does, but I think that we're winning. Yeah, I agree. I think we are winning, but it's a totally different fucking world. Back in 2013, you couldn't actually criticize feminism publicly. It would get you shut down in the same sort of, like, worse than now. It was something you genuinely got persecuted over. Yeah. And over come so much more mainstream now. Yeah, I know. I was just gonna say, I'm pretty sure I found rags through you, Sargon. So I owe you extra. Anyway, right. Speak to you later. One more thing before you go. See you guys. There was a whole bunch of Super Chat questions. We'll get them to you one century. It'll be fine. I just wanted to read this one out to you. Yeah. This one says, Sargon, consider this your redemption chance. Don't fuck up. Jesus. I was just so blown. I was like, whoa, all right. What have I even done? Reacting to a top 10 things wrong with Star Trek Troopers. That was your redemption, dog. I knew I could redeem myself. You did it. Anyway, thanks for having me on, guys. It was really fun. Yeah. I'll speak to you. I'll speak to you around. Catch you later. Someone said, you didn't get through many of them. Super chastel off my ass off. We got through more than I expected. I expected zero. We got through like 10, not bad. Sargon and Arch's collection, which will be ever growing. And this is the thing. I can't promise that these will get to them. I'll do my best to sort it out, but it's the way the cookie crumbles. The only ones that are guaranteed are essentially me and Rags will be able to get them every time. I still got like one or two for Jay in here, I think, and ER, Anna, Aiden, Jay Longbone. There's a couple of bits and bobs here everywhere. I'll just try and get them if I can get it. But yeah, I guess also, do you go by blame the controller or do you prefer a different moniker? Um, most people just call me blame or BTC. Blame, all right. Yeah. Um, what else was in that video? It was pretty significant. I think anything that came. Oh, yeah. I guess the medic calling for the. Yeah, that's yeah, that that was dumb. So whenever, whenever you have a training exercise, it doesn't even need to have live ammunition, live fire. Any training exercise is always, always going to have an ambulance with medics nearby, like always, like even if it's just a ruck march on Fridays, usually, well, the basis where I was at anyways, on Fridays, they would always have these huge runs, right with like the entire company or the brigade or whatever, right? So you've got literally thousands of people running. Kind of like, you know, almost marathon level, number of runners and stuff. And you're going to have ambulances and medics available for that too. And they're going to be spaced out intermittently. I mean, that's their job. They it's it's kind of like being, you know, just like a paramedic and EMT or something like that. That's what they do. They just, you know, if they're not actually responding to a real emergency right then and there, then they're going to be assigned to whatever training missions are going on for and it doesn't have to be their company, right? Because there's, you know, there's medical companies and medical brigades. And then you have, you know, signal and infantry and all these others. So basically, they just get dispatched out to like, okay, we got the infantry guys over here doing this at 10 a.m. and then we got, you know, the artillery guys doing this at 2 p.m. And blah, blah, blah. So they're all there's always going to be there. I know it's like a trope where people like yell medic, you know, after someone gets hit, but that's what actually happens. So it's- That's what I thought. Yeah, even if something gets killed, you still call for a medic, right? Even if they're clearly- Yeah. I was, I had something called a combat lifesaver designation. It's like a baby medic, basically. Like they teach you how to give an IV, CPR, you know, how to give a, what is it called? It's like a nasal pharyngeal thing. It's when you stick a tube down someone's nose so they can breathe. Yeah. So like I, when we would go running, I had to like carry my combat lifesaver pack with me, which had like some IV and, you know, the other stuff in it, which was fun. I enjoyed having to run with that extra gear. And then, so like even if someone was like injured or someone needed help right away, like I could do it. And if I couldn't do it, then the medics would do it, who were like 500 feet away. So the idea that like there isn't going to be medical staff or that you shouldn't call for them is just so dumb. Well, this is the thing. I mean, even as layman who have like no real experience with any of this definitively in a personal manner, it was just like, I don't know, seems like it makes sense that you would call them for the medic. Like, I mean, even if the guy is like stone cold dead, like he was in that example, like, are you just going to leave the body there and continue the, continue the training exercise? He should have shouted coroner. Or something else, I suppose. Like I need someone to arrange the funeral for the departed. So I'll tell you, I'll tell you exactly what would happen. Like if it was real life, exactly what would happen. If someone gets injured like that, because someone actually, here's another story. They were doing training exercises in Kuwait before we went north into Iraq. And someone managed to shoot themselves with their own round. And you might be asking, oh, like, they just aimed it down at their foot and they shot. No, no, no, no. It's much more interesting than that. So they have these firing ranges where they're practicing. Now, as it turns out, hard metal surfaces will cause a ricochet. Oh my God. And someone, so there's like a bunch of targets down there. Somebody should do something about this. There's a bunch of targets downrange. And there's also some metal containers, shipping containers. Well, someone got the good idea, Ferry, to shoot one of the metal containers and it ricocheted back. And I don't know where exactly it hit him. I think it might have hit him in the leg or something. I mean, it was, no, it was the arm. That's right. It was the arm. She hit herself in the arm, because I saw her walking around with a sling later on. And she actually was dumb enough to ask for a purple heart, which is for injuries, but it has to be sustained by enemy fire. And shooting yourself is not going to get you the award. But so whenever something like that happens, right, whenever, whenever someone gets injured, like everything stops. Like it is like a remote control with a freeze button from a bad Adam Sandler movie. You press the stop button. Nobody does anything. Nobody moves. They find out what happened. Why was this person injured? And then there's all sorts of paperwork after action reports and all that sort of stuff after, after the effect. So it's not like, like, I don't know what that guy was like. Why is he yelling for a medic? What do you expect them to do? Like just continue with the training exercise and leave the dude bleeding on the, on the floor. Yes. Yeah. And precisely that. Sufficient training to fight the bugs. Yeah. Anything else that sort of came to mind if you wanted to talk about it from the video? Because I know that there was just, he was saying all kinds of things. Yeah. Unfortunately, like I said, I didn't come in till, till the tail end of it. I wish I would have gotten it earlier, but I'm sure you said all kinds of stupid stuff. We'll just assume. Um, well, in that case, I was going to say like I will, I've got you as a contact now, or at least through Discord. I will set something up with you in the future if you're interested. And I'll try and make it military focused if that is more preferable. I mean, you can if you want. I do have a little bit more knowledge than just military. So I mean, I'm open to coming on for anything. Oh, it's always just nice to find like a topic that people are more familiar with rather than generally familiar with. Yeah. But as far as my, my channel goes, I do gaming. So it's if you like overwatch, then you can come to my channel. But otherwise, if you're looking, like I actually am trying to start like a modern media pop culture kind of thing. With movies and stuff, but I haven't gotten that off the ground yet. So right now I just run the Do you have a link to your channel or something? So we can post and chat. Yeah, it's it's just blame the controller. And do you do that all? Do you blame the controller? Not as often. I came up with the name because I wanted something that sounded like an excuse. And when I was growing up, like, you know, if Mario fell on the pit or something, it was not uncommon for people to quite literally blame the controller. Like, you know, I pressed the button. Why didn't it work kind of thing? So that's where it came up with. That's the right on. Well, I put your channel into chat and I'll put it in a little bit later as well as arches. And I will pop it in the description on the reupload official. I appreciate it, guys. It's been fun. I, you know, I like listening to you guys and it's pretty cool to get to join you in and rip someone apart. Well, thank you for your insight. It's been interesting. And hopefully we'll hear more of it in the future as well. All right, guys. Catch you later. Doodle. See you. I'll be going. Yeah. All right, Rags. And I'm glad, I suppose we are four hours in, which means we have a grand total of seven to knock out super chats. Nice. I wonder if it'll be possible. Nah. So I'm just going to hit the ground running on these. We ready to do this? We're ready to do this. All right. First one. Hi, Mola. I have a suggestion for Discord. In the description of the Cantina, how about posting a link to 100 hours of Cantina band music on loop? Now, when the Discord was being set up and turned over to a Star Wars themed one, we actually did at one point. Didn't we like have a bot that sat in the Cantina playing the music on relatively low? I think that was like a thing that we put in place. I'm pretty sure. But didn't you take it away because it was being abused? Oh, I can't. I didn't take it away, but the mods might have. I can obviously there's probably a lot of ways that can not only go wrong, but also be really annoying. But obviously, if you need Cantina music in the Discord, just throw it up on one of your browsers. It's the right way to do it. EFAP quote without context of the day. It's a subtle reference to the liberation of clams everywhere. Yes, clam liberation is very important. Let's say that quote makes a lot of sense. I very much stand by it if I said it. I can believe that. Whether or not I said it. Um, I've been waiting for this EFAP. I'm sick of tired of people not understanding Starship Troopers, Godspeed, Sargon, also High Rags and Moosley. Hello. Oh, I like talking about Starship Troopers, though people get very testy about it. I have seen from different discussions online. And I'm just, it's all right. It's been so long since my last EFAP. I mean, oh yeah. I guess because EFAP Saturday and Tuesday, obviously the next one now won't be until the following weekend. So it'll be a bit of a gap, but Infinity Tism's five and a super chat catch up three are both going to come out in between then. And maybe if it feels about right, we could try and get those Lord of the Rings EFAPs out finally. Oh my God. That was like 12. That was so long ago. There are a few alive now who could remember it. Exactly. I'm actually concerned that the editing on it is actually going to be like inferior as fuck to the new editors work with the Batwoman episodes. And I'm like, I hope people enjoy the commentary at that point because it was before I started going more crazy with the editing and stuff. So, but yeah, I want to do a premiere of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm just concerned that it might get booted because live streaming copyright content seems to have different rules than uploading it. So we'll give it a shot. If it doesn't work, we will redo. We will re-edit. We'll do things. Hopefully it'll come out because I am excited to see it. I want to see it. Oh, yes. Again. Sargon and Arch, what foul warp magic is this? Yes, we finally got him here and the stream did not die. That takes magic here. It was the Emperor as well. Disappointed that I'm leaving for work right as the crossover I've been waiting for takes place. But this will make tomorrow much better. I'll see everyone later and service guarantees citizenship. Of course. PSA, Bids of Prey sucks. Don't see it. Also High Sargon, Arch and Rags. Hello. And yeah, I've been hearing a lot of things about Bids of Prey. Nothing that it's fantastic, but also nothing that it's like a complete horrible disaster. I've mostly just been finding it sits that are like bad to okay. It's in that area. It might be worth checking out just because it sits in that area because I can't think of a movie that was great, that changed its title after the opening weekend. Oh, of course. I think that's definitive evidence that they're desperately trying to get it to be more successful and it's just not. Oh, Wags is upside down. Did you go visit Fad? I did. More, oh wait, I read that. So build a wall around Yellowstone? Got it. I don't know if a wall is going to do much, but maybe if the wall is made out of some space age energy field that can actually stop the volcano. Or what is Yellowstone considered? Is it a volcano? Yeah, okay. Apparently it's going to split open in that geyser or whatever is going to become a volcano. And then everyone dies because I'm pretty sure like within the vicinity of the major primary blast everyone just like fucking gets booped, but the whole world will experience horrible shit as a result of that. And yeah, whenever I hear about it in like media, it's always described as like, yeah, we don't actually know. It could just fuck everything up in any moment. And it's like, oh, what if you'd like, could you theoretically sneak in there if you were a crazy person and drop a grenade into it? Would that like fuck everything up? Or would it take a hell of a lot more than that to set it off? I think that the idea is that the plate tectonics have to move to release. Oh, okay. Like a grenade wouldn't do it. All of that end up pressure? Like a grenade wouldn't do it. No, I think it has to be deeper. What about? What yield of explosive would be able to do it? If possible, at all, I wonder. Oh, I mean, I'm not a geothermic scientist or whatever. Damn it. That's the whole reason I brought you on, dude. I assumed that it would have somewhere that was inside where the magma actually was and had enough pressure to push it through. But at the same time, I don't know if that would set off the necessary reaction to cause it all to explode outwards. So we suggested a nuke. It's like, well, at that point, the nuke will just do the damage anyway. But yeah, it looks to be, most people describing it as a super volcano and that it's overdue to eucentisms. So that'll be something else to be concerned about. Yeah. Hey there. Hey, man, there's a Creamy Sheave imposter using a different PFP in chat. My YouTube account is Creamy Sheave Palpatine while his is just Creamy Sheave. We'll try and keep an eye out for that. We wouldn't want quotes being attributed to the wrong Creamy Sheave. Remember the full Creamy Sheave Palpatine? There's an important difference. The Ewok cannot commit 50% of crime if you disable his hand. This is true. I saw someone last stream tell Rags to sit on their face, so I will say it too. Rags, sit on my face. Also, hi, Wag. Oh, oh, hello. And absolutely, man. I'm down with that. Hope you know what you're doing. And that's from the guy who was asking about favorite Star Destroyers. So yeah, all bad. And he wants to like my answer a whole lot. Don't worry, Mola. Time stamping at three minutes. I give this stream 18 more minutes before total collapse. We survived. We survived. Hey, Fappers. Why don't you like Interstellar? I love it. And do you think Tenet will be good despite the time? Shenanigari? Gansh... Shenanigantary. Who knows with Tenet? Who knows? I'd be interested to see it probably. As for Interstellar, um... Since we want to do, you know, we'll do the thing like we did with Mandalorian. The navigation via love portion of the film where they discussed that is like the stupidest thing ever, or at least it's up there. And the method by which all of the problems are solved when you take a step back and look at the entire plot line of the movie is utterly ridiculous. And the film really gives me the impression that it thinks it's super fucking smart and wants to try and convince you that everything that's happening is perfectly understandable and reasonable when I think it's the complete opposite. And then there's a whole bunch of other things, like the sun. So Rags, tell me, if you're like a, let's say a frustrated farmer who's a lot of you, a lot of your crops are getting burnt up or infected, all right? So you're in a bad mood. And then you find out that some of your crops are set on fire by somebody, like sabotage. You spend a decent portion of the day stopping all that from happening. You come home and do you know what you find? What do I find? You find your son sitting at a table and a doctor having checked something about him. Now, of course, you're pissed about that, right? Yeah, what's up? So the doctor says to you, your kid has a serious problem. He's like, you can't live with this area anymore. You can't breathe properly. So what is your reaction to that? Oh, well, I guess we got to go somewhere else. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you punch him. My son? You punch the doctor. Oh, okay. Like, how dare you have a breathing problem in my house? And it's, it's a part of the film where you have to slow because they basically, it's shot quite, the soundtrack is going a bit crazy because it's while Matthew McConaughey and Matt Damon are fighting each other, it's intercuts between these two things. I believe. And it blows my mind how stupid that scene is. He's like, how dare you check my son? It's like, okay. All right. Enjoy your dead son then. It's, it's weird. But there's a lot of things that I guess I should eventually be able to go over when I decide to cover in Stella One Day. And I know it's a tad irrational how much I hate it. I just felt extremely condescended to when I was watching the entire film while in the cinema. I don't, I don't, I don't think you're being irrational at all. It's totally rational when they brought in the power of love or whatever that was like jumping the shark for the movie for me because it's, the movie tries so hard to be somewhat realistic, if not accurate. And then it just pulls this kind of abstract thing like they couldn't figure out how to logically solve this issue. And don't even get me started about the fucking water planet. Oh my God. Yeah. Is it the one where it's so shallow they could walk on it? But there's an enormous wave heading toward them but they thought it was about it. That's the deep end. That's the deep end of the planet. It's like a pool. It definitely does the thing where it's like, hey man, it's, it's like sci-fi and gravity and it's fine. It's just like, okay, but it doesn't change the fact that the characters are extremely stupid. The moon is very close to the planet and it's moving very fast. So all of these waves are moving fast as well. That's what we're supposed to assume with that. But yeah, hopefully that's, that's enough now in terms of why I don't like that movie. But I do actually want to make a video on that one day, one day. What's worse, a communist or a YouTube system or YouTube system? Okay. At least with the communist, you sort of know what you're getting. But with YouTube, it's like every day is a magical surprise and you have no idea what wonderful things will happen today. We got a question for Mr. Sargoni. I'll have to save it. Quick play Sargon's theme. I don't even know what that would be. Quick play Sargon's theme. Well now they've got a clip of you saying that. How wonderful for them. Oh my god. Now they have to come up with Sargon's theme. The only reason Mola won't release the original I Hate Everything chat is because he revealed he had the gay sex with movie bulb during it. I cannot confirm or deny that may have been confirmed or denied. Okay. Hey rags. Well it just says hey rags. Oh hey. And then it asked me to pronounce a word. I want to ask you to pronounce it first. Okay. Silence definitely. They want you to pronounce that? Well I will pronounce it. It's a it's a Welsh word but they want you to pronounce it. Well they don't actually I'm curious to see what you would pronounce it as. I'm gonna let's say Simru. It's actually pronounced Cymru. Cymru. Cymru. It's Cymru. What does Cymru mean? What does that word mean? Oh I'm pretty sure it's Welsh or Wales let me check. Because there's a party named after that and I never knew what that meant. I know what plaid means. Yeah it means Wales. Ah. We add it. So that's like the the the nation name. Is there a name for Welsh people that's like that? Yeah. Disgusting cretin. I mean well I'm not 100% sure. The Welsh. What is the Welsh in in in Waelish is what you're asking yeah? Or not? I don't know. What are you asking? Oh I was just asking what the name for the Welsh people are in Welsh. So what is Welsh in Welsh? The yeah but for the name of like the people like we're Americans and someone from Wales would be what in Welsh? Is it just called the Welsh? They are the Welsh yeah. That's that's why it's it actually applies to us but when you guys like speak American we can actually say speak Welsh for the Welsh people. You can't say speak American for the American people you know. So it's so Cymru the word means Wales? Yes. But Welsh people are not Cymru something it's just Welsh. Oh well I don't actually know what um I guess oh Cymraeg that's what it means to Welsh is Cymraeg. Cymraeg what? Okay cool so like that. No rags it's clearly spelled this way. See that that's how it's spelled. I need you to come and get the Cymraeg for me. I made a mess in the kitchen. You're doing the fucking this accent. What the okay that's not Welsh at all. You need you need to bring it into the kitchen because I uh. What is this accent you're doing? That is not Welsh. No one no one can do it. We are going to India today. Now that you're going to talk like a Welshman. It's completely different. What you're doing is fucking nonsense. I am a Welshman I just came from India. You're going to watch Doctor Do little and you'll be able to nail the Welsh accent. Thank you come again. No uh oh great my two favorite YouTubers. Oh no my least two favorite YouTubers. I'll let you decide who is who um. Well obviously I'm the favorite. I guess me and rags are the favorites. Yeah I'm cool with that. I guess we're the favorites and I guess glib and blame are your least favorites. Who would have thunk it. That's exactly the joke I was gonna make yeah. Who would have thunk it. I agree. It's not even a joke. Sagawn Mola gets your tree fitty this month. Well there you go uh. Hey Sagawn do something with razor fist. I can keep that for him. Lol not even finished with the movie Bob or Nazi quote and here you are with two massives. Hello wags. Hello. I I feel like that was a very interesting uh. So that's a very good Welsh accent. I I've been surrounded by it my whole life so it would make sense that I could probably. Chat says it checks out. Yeah um. Boo Mola EFAP at the same time as Metal Stream. Yes Metal tried to steal our viewership and he was pretty successful but he couldn't keep going so. He had to he had to give up I'm sorry. And question for Sagawn. Could trial be kept. I don't know what to do about this ranks like we'll have to. Even if we did a stream we're solely answering questions from Superchats with Sagawn and Arch. I feel like we still wouldn't get through all of them because then all of the Superchats would be asking them questions again if you know what I mean. Just infinite because we can do it because we can do those ketchup stuff but you know. What do we do with these I don't know. Greetings from the country of Le Frommage. I can't wait until Sagawn crashes this FAP. Jokes aside I thought you would like to hear that Sardonicast heard about your chat with I Hit Everything Muller. They hate it and want any discussion between you two to stop. Okay. I saw that on the reddit. I don't know the actual Sardonicast people. Oh sorry it says our Sardonicast it's not the actual. I obviously I seriously doubt YMS and I had everything would say anything like they would never want to speak to me again. I'd be surprised. Ralph maybe. Have you tried reaching out to Ralph? Have you tried talking? I think I yeah I did. I sent him a tweet before I don't think he does DMS. I could try an email but I haven't tried that yet I don't know. Yeah I don't know he would be an interesting person to talk to just to understand why he was going off on Joker specifically. I mean it's not like his content is consistently bad. I like some of his reviews a lot. Yeah I sound like a grown-up stewie griffin minus the gay. Minus the gay all right. Remember when he was evil not gay? Yeah it's kind of like Smithers in Simpsons where the gayness was sort of like some implied stuff that you could run with that creates some fun jokes but then they seemed to crank it quite significantly and started to become like oh this is less funny and more strange now it's like their character. I don't know because I remember they made like a whole episode about Smithers coming out and it was I remember watching it and feeling like this feels fucking strange like there's so much focus on this because I used to just love the idea that he was gay and that it was something that didn't have to be spotlighted. Do you remember the the joke that everyone always references is he has like a naked Mr. Bird screen saver on his computer? It's just the kind of thing he's like wait what? And he just like Lisa sees it and he just goes oh you should probably ignore that. I thought Starship Troopers was trying to show a fascist society positively and portraying it as all right from the audience point of view was the most interesting. Well I mean that's what this whole there's a good portion of the stream about that today. I think it's an interesting discussion that sort of goes back and forth and a lot of it brings up the conversation of death of the author. Like literally stabbing the author to death once they've hit publish. Be it on a on a movie or a book or anything else. Also high rags and happy birthday early or belated. Um oh thanks very much early by day it'll be uh it'll be tomorrow. How many hours is that we might actually make it? The five? Well oh god it's it's 641 p.m. here. Oh so yeah we got another five and a half hours to go. Maybe we got a lot of stupid chess to get through so. Yeah we could. Also I've read a few that was a little bit ahead there my bad. Um status of the Game of Thrones season eight end video. It's gonna be on the way I do want to make it. It's just that these are the things I gotta get through as well so it'll happen eventually. Who let the Inquisition in here be mindful of your heresy? Well yeah we kind of are heretics it's fine. Sagaon best doggo corgis or rags. Damn I'll just say that for him. I think you know I think we know. Do we know what he would say though Rags? He is a bit of a he's a he's a dog traitor is he not? Is this I don't know if this was confirmed. Hello long man and rags. Hello. Hi. Have you heard of or seen the greatest American hero? It's a cheesy silly and funny tv show with decent writing. Check it out you'd like it. I've never heard of it. Never heard of it. Yeah cool. Have you heard of Josh Keef? I've enjoyed his videos but his latest one was bad. It bothers me because he's done well at being objective in earlier videos. It's titled 2010s action movies. I've got no idea who he is but I can give that a look see I suppose. I'll write a note. You never know where videos to cover come from in the life of an e-fapper? Could be from anywhere. Could be from your own mum. They just drop them in you're like oh thanks. Hello massives. I'm genuinely it's genuinely touching and great that you take the time to listen to your super chat slash chat and have a personal contact with your community. Thank you so much for this. Hope this goes on forever. Well yeah I like interacting with the peeps. I like it too. And yeah as for e-fap going on forever the sad reality is that it will destroy itself one day right? We get to episode 10 billion and I think that'll just be mean rags like Hey welcome to e-fap. Hey welcome dear to e-fap and space. This new Star Wars episode isn't so good. Star Wars episode 412 is terrible. I don't like this new female character she's lying. Four good Star Wars movies in the last 500 years. No I just go quiet wads of rags. It's like I think he's dead. He's like nope I'm here. This e-fap is going on my increasing backlog. Hopefully I get to finish it in March when I'm my own boss Freelancer. Cool I'll share some of that sweet moolah with my first big paycheck. For now shut up and take my pennies. Very well sir thank you so much and I'm glad you're enjoying it. Good luck with becoming your own boss. Was loving Buffy until Seth Green showed up. Oh you don't like Seth Green? I like him Seth Green. I don't know if it's maybe a personal thing. Maybe he's had some Disney things in real life. But I've always liked him in Austin Powers, Robot Chicken and Borphy. Thoughts on Mathematosis Lost Art of Demon Souls. Not a huge fan of that video and this is the thing I really like Mathematosis. But I feel like he's advocating for like games that just explore different directions in the hope of finding some gold. As opposed to deciding this is how you do it and you only do it that way is too restrictive. And as much as I can appreciate the the former can lead to a lot of amazing things. I don't want to celebrate when they do it and they create garbage. So for example I think Michael Lash is a shit boss in Bloodborne. But he defends that one as being a great example of exploring. There's different ideas that are just like he runs away from you awkwardly until you get into a fight with him where he has like two moves. One of them can infinitely stun you if you're not careful. I've got there's loads of clips of Fortier playing that boss and he loses his fucking mind and it's hilarious. So I would rather be definitive and say like okay they would you know like I hate the argument that like Ryan Johnson is better than JJ because at least he was trying something new. I'm like yeah I suppose it was a new idea to fuck everything up to that degree but I don't. You I feel like I've made this argument before you know what I'm talking about. It's a little bad because it's new. Everybody knows that. Oh I don't like automatically good. At this point we have our own culture based on our memes. I hope it's not too much for guests. Anyways hope you had fun. Nostar Mola and high rags. Hello Nostar indeed. Nostar. Um hey Mulesbury don't tell rag but I'm currently or I'm going to California to meet my new niece. What move why would that bad you hate California? You're going to California to to meet his new niece. Meet your new niece. All right. Maybe some some kind of maybe I'm assuming this is just a she's like her with the door open over in California is that what's going on? Oh I assume his brother or sister just had a kid in but he says don't tell rag. Don't tell rag. Yeah that's the part I was asking about I was confused. Why would rag be upset about that but again California could be lax on toilet door laws. Could be. What movie slash games slash things should I show her first to be a super duper cool tism's uncle? Go with some classic animated Disney movies. Yeah I've got some uh 2DM Pixar. I got some nephews just be like cool around them and enthusiastic and don't be dull and boring and well he was asking what media to show him. He's asking what media to show him. Oh uh maybe some of the older animated movies that are a little weird because to them it'll be it won't be like anything else you know like have them watch Return to Oz and see if it's chosen for life or if they just yeah yeah or wizards. We talk about space wizards a lot land wizards man they're terrifying. I don't know I think nowadays like playing video games with them. An option if you have that. Yeah prepare yourself for Fortnite. Well responsibly. Who's your guys favorite Mary Sue? Bonus points if said Mary Sue is the most damaging for its universe. So I'm confused by this question to a degree. Say it one more time. What's your what's your guys favorite Mary Sue? Bonus points if said Mary Sue is the most damaging for its universe. My favorite Mary Sue. But like if it was most damaging for its universe wouldn't it not be our favorite. Yeah like I don't know if I could that wouldn't I wouldn't like it then. What if there are two separate questions. Well it says bonus points if said. Yeah the last one's more of a statement. All right well if we go with what's my favorite Mary Sue if Saitama can qualify which he can't necessarily qualify because he's not loved very significantly whatsoever. Isn't that satire though it doesn't I don't think that counts. What what do you mean just because it's comedic elements doesn't mean it isn't a dramatic story. Yeah the whole story. Yeah so I don't really think he's much of a Mary Sue because most of his issues he can't solve with his soon and he did train for it. But he can yeah and he does. In fact all the problems he comes up with against in the season he solves with his being strong. Well but all right so like what I mean is like he wants to go and go to a sale at a marketplace and then he misses it because he's this is why it's complicated and we'd have to be very because this is the thing right some people say that Ray doesn't qualify because she doesn't qualify with every single portion of Mary Sue's a Mary Sue's like category and I find that to be just like unnecessary and like come on we know that she qualifies for a lot of them. Yeah let me put it this way if he qualifies then he wins so easily because I like him so much. Well yeah he's fantastic but part of the reason why he's so good is why he also doesn't really qualify for Mary Sue as in he's dealing with a lot of issues that have nothing that can't be solved with being really strong. While Ray I mean there's nothing she comes up against that she can't solve and any flaw she has is always in reference to how amazing she is as a person. I like Harry Potter that's my favorite Mary Sue. If that one counts I'd probably go with that I guess yeah. Because he has all these blessings and stuff but his character is kind of not really about that on an internal level and I think that's an interesting dynamic to have. He's not very loved like he's loved by a couple people but a lot of people fucking hate Harry Potter that's the thing about that qualification is it tough. He starts out as like you're the chosen one the boy who lived and that kind of thing and then the media gets a hold of him and slanders him a lot and then people start to hate him. And then I think the the thing that I like most about him is that his personal issues aren't really the issues that he goes through on the epic scale he's got and Saitama is kind of similar to this Saitama sorry he they both have personal desires and needs that aren't really part of the overall plot they're kind of tangential so like a lot of what Harry goes through is relationship issues and friendship issues that are teenage drama and like for the book. Do you like how someone in chat Saitama is not a Mary Sue he can't solve his issues with his powers like oh what I said weird for weird but follow up with saying how categorization is a problem with Mary Sue because it depends on what specifically you're talking about whether or not someone counts like I really it bothers me how much we've been through this topic over and over again and yet people in chat are like definitively immediately like yep this person is or isn't a Mary Sue it's like which parts of it are you considering you part of what about the author insert part a lot of people try to ignore that one and a lot of people argue that it's evolved past that now that we can't even consider that one because it's just like the word itself is more declarative of their immense power which isn't actually necessarily what it is it's more so that they they have power to the point where no problem in their way can be solved or can't be solved that both the good guys and bad guys will just inexplicably love this person they will be extremely skilled in in direct reference to whatever problem they have to solve even if it's completely illogical and then the author insert part would probably be pretty important and then gary stew is another selection of it's not necessarily an inverse but it's not necessarily Mary Sue but guy right there's like other elements to it so it makes it complicated well so what what's a good example of a Mary Sue then well I would say I think Ray should be the quintessential example I think it's amazing that they wrote it that way I agree and it's so obvious and all that but can you give me like just a secondary one to point me in the right direction because some people in chat are saying Harry isn't and I'm like okay well if he if the chosen one isn't enough that has all these special powers that you know can stop him from death and like all these special magical rules because I've debated a bunch of people about how Harry Potter's magical system is wish fulfillment it's not really sensical then because we don't consider Frodo a Mary Sue because he's the everything is put upon him and he doesn't really want to do it but he does it out of courage and I would want to argue like surely Sam is the one that pushes him to the end without Sam Frodo would have lost right exactly so it's not just the chosen one aspect and you have characters like and who are really good who grow even though they have a lot of power but um on like the other end of the scale because usually Mary Sue's I consider to be just bad writing I can't think of many that would fit every standard set I don't think that's the point really yeah I agree with me enough of them then you start to hit that territory um so I I don't know I another would be Korra I think that's probably pretty fair but all these characters are so unlikable yeah they're like unlikable for us but in the universe they're usually pretty well liked right right right and that's understandable but it's like the the question is what's your favorite oh my oh jeez yeah yeah goku no well this is the thing if if whatever we suggest doesn't quite qualify this question is going to lead us down to a rabbit hole forever but most damaging for its universe as well does that mean in terms of breaking rules or does that mean like literal power factor I think that would be the case because if you have a bad power crawl you kind of ruin the rule set usually you can go excessive with it like Dragon Ball Z is kind of Dragon Ball continuation but the power levels are so much higher but then once you reach too high a power level then the impact is minimized James Bond goes to Mary Sue? Having plot armor doesn't make you a Mary Sue it depends on which movies Bond but it also depends on like someone just said you guys don't get Mary Sue's it's like I don't think you realize that nobody uh in large groups completely agrees on what exactly a Mary Sue is yeah exactly that's the current issue I kind of would be interested in throwing it out at this point and instead because the whole point of Mary Sue was to be a shorthand for a set of attributes but since nobody ever seems to agree definitively on what the attributes have to be at this point it's like why don't you just tell me what the attributes are and you know what I mean like so if I go this character sucks because they're a Mary Sue instead I just go this character sucks because for some reason everybody in the world loves them I don't know why that is they're so powerful that there's like no challenge they can't overcome and they always seem to have a skill set that allows them to pass every single challenge too they are they're engaging in activities in the storyline that come across as if they're like a fan like like someone's writing it and have inserted themselves into doing all the things they would want to do which is like riding the Millennium Falcon having Luke's lightsaber uh fucking able to speak droid and wookie all of these things that are just like it doesn't really make sense for her to have that but it does make sense if you look at it from the point of view that this is someone who's like I love Star Wars I am now in the universe look at what I can do and so if someone's like oh you're just describing a Mary Sue I'd be like I don't care like at this point you just these these are these are these are problems on their own whether or not it's a Mary Sue I think that a lot of the time if you look at a Mary Sue or what like the person that is being called a Mary Sue it's usually because they have all of the components that are needed for an entire cast to be interesting so they're the lover and they're the technical guy and they you know Ray does everything she doesn't need anybody but a well-balanced story you'd think would have characters at disadvantages where they're required to team up with somebody else or required to deal with somebody else that may be in a negative uh light um you know who does a good job with this is Joss Whedon by like putting people in situations where they have to deal with others that they may not want to deal with and they have to hash it out because if a Mary Sue can just go in there and accomplish the task it's almost like they're a video game character and they're playing on easy mode and they don't understand why you on hard mode with all of the actual difficulty challenges set by the developers are having such a hard time it's like they the character can't really interact with the story in a meaningful way because it doesn't challenge them that would be how I would look at them what a Mary Sue is like or down go um someone said I can define it for you with references and I was just thinking like we did that already right and then you've got someone else saying like uh yes everybody can disagree on it but some people are just wrong and it's like sure but again this is something that people keep debating and then the southpaw's links the tv tropes page and it's like again again the tv tropes it's evolving as a term uh naturally there's a lot of terms are used and we can all agree that rey is the thing that pulled this term out into the mainstream like before rey uh people were talking about Mary Sue's a lot less um and so it's see how being like stitched to her it's kind of what I was trying to get out there and a lot of people use Mary Sue to mean yeah a character that has raised like sort of attributes yeah absolutely she's the penultimate like the apex massive of the whole thing um and the best example like you're saying but it's she's such a good example that she eclipses the entire trope for me you might as well just call it a rey yeah um but I get that there are other elements and people like so when you try and extrapolate to a different character they're like no no no it doesn't follow these traits and you're like oh well rey doesn't necessarily follow them it's like it doesn't matter like that's what I'm all right so so right here you have different traits that are explained in this trope page I'm not going to go into the details of them but there's like folders and it's it's divided into personality skills physical appearance accessories relationships etc and just to briefly sum that up a Mary Sue has all of the good parts of those and none of the bad parts of those in my book like what kind of issue would a Mary Sue have it's not like a player protagonist where uh like on the Mary Sue scale let's say it's like oblivion where you can join the fighter's guild and the mage's guild and there's no restrictions and you can role play as whatever character you want make your own spells that kind of thing and then there's the other side of it which would be in a role playing game where you are fixed into the position that you've chosen for yourself you choose for yourself so I am a mage therefore I am definitely going to be physically weaker there's no way around this kind of situation Mary Sue's don't have to deal with any kind of thought process that has to do with that because they have all of the aspects of the plot already lined up for them to tackle and we find it really lazy because as a logic problem if you introduce elements that would stop a character from being able to do something and you actually have to stop and think about it the audience is going along with your logic when you actually put it to the print so to me it's like Mary Sue ultimately can be boiled down to write her laziness and giving them no obstacles or character flaws that they have to overcome because I can't think of anything that Ray had to really overcome except for plot elements that are needed for the audience to understand where we are in the story on like a meta level like here's the ending here's the beginning here's in in story it's hard to justify who she is and people bring up stuff like oh she can swim and and she's a desert person or how does she know how to read or speak wookiee and all this stuff we were talking about that before the talk about a good part of tlj the whole like oh she's she's shocked and interested about rain and she has a moment and it's so cool to see someone who's not seen rain before react to rain like also she can swim like hang on like she practiced swimming in the sand okay and she can pilot that boat thing because she slid down on a because she fought with a stick yeah and then I saw like someone was posting how her lightsaber if you look close it has like she can choose what color blade she wants I don't know if that's canon but it looks like there is actually a button that can choose if it's green blue or yellow I don't know if that got cut but just like yeah I feel like I see it a lot because if we if we zoom back a little bit from Mary soon we just go into bad character writing I think a lot of stuff that's written into pre-existing content people go with their first idea so like I hate this Star Wars Rebels creation where there's a character that has a lightsaber that has a black core and it's called a dark saber and it's like a super ancient lightsaber and to me I'm just thinking like that sounds like something that somebody in 12 levels like 12 years old on the playground would come up with like it doesn't have thought about how it's going to change the the greater scheme of things like why didn't we see any of this before it's people people are inheriting large intellectual properties with long stories and not realizing that every element that they put into it affects every other element into it and it's really disappointing to see that there's no quality control based on that and Mary Sue's are just like when you ask the question like oh what's going to be the the most destructive Mary Sue it's going to be every single one especially Ray because it just did everything that she does changes something yeah yeah so I probably most damaging for its universe probably would go to Ray would definitely be in the running obviously it's just the it's difficult the whole reason why this has been long is like we're trying to figure out which ones even qualify and then how to assert what the damage they did to each universe they're in was um so I think I'm going to go with a safe Ray answer in order to progress yeah and also Mary Sue usually refers to a protagonist but we could say that the the Predator the super Predator from the Predator is a Mary Sue kind of just has dominance over everything right uh being really powerful is like the most limited viewpoint of what a Mary Sue is uh that seems to be the most like if you do ask a lot of people across the internet what it means they might throw that in and it's like it's not it's a little bit more specific than that and there's loads of other traits so I get that it's just that um it's something something that's usually a part of a collective and it's usually contextualized in a slightly different way but yeah hopefully that's an effective answer um oh boy here we go I cannot wait for all of Twitter to explode over arch and saga I'm joining the toxic brood make sure to check r slash sig marxism later to see them screeching live also hi rag hello uh please watch super space lair robot chicken oh they did something about that I will uh I will look into such a thing at some point hi rog's moob schler hi hello uh get chase I don't like minorities face and pester louis six out of 50 levi um olivé levo I've never known which one is correct I hear all different ones all the time onto efab police shootings it'll be a wild ride I promise my god gonna get banned I'm sure of it um I started watching youtube for arch arch led me to sargon dnd crusaders led me to rags led me to efab and mohler efab led me to jay the apex train rack of a youtuber thanks to you all yo I'm so glad that it ended with jay you went from knowing how great youtube can be and then you found out what else it can be it's a it's a good journey apparently those star destroyers are the opposite of a suction cup man suction cup man a suction cup man um suction cup man it's a uh I get a guy climbing a tower with suction cups is that suction suction cup man is the only thing I mean I didn't want to laugh at him but yeah it doesn't seem that impressive I don't know all right but good for good for good for suction cup man I suppose um I hope he suction cups by day he's a plumber and by night he goes around jumping off rooftops if you if you want more spacey content look up the channel Isaac Arthur there you go did you hear about sjw's complaining about the sonic movie they are complaining that there are homophobic slurs throughout the film I can't wait to see it oh boy I can't wait to not find any I was gonna say I'm pretty sure it's I saw uh was it LS mox tweet about it I think um it's confusing you look at it and it's like a bunch of bots I think who are all posting that all of them say the sonic movie is awful homophobic whatever else and I we should all go see bids of prey like that's what they all say and it's like okay really weird I don't know who's responsible for those best caliber music um but I seriously doubt sonic will be anything but a family friendly romp I still can't get over how episode 9 managed to one up 40k in obsidity with the zystones zystones that I don't know what that is the zystones yeah I think that's how it's spelled zystones or zystones I don't know those are not even the imperium have guns that can one-shot planets well then they need to get on palp's level don't they oh just oh yeah I guess so because all of his ships in his fleet could do that um crabs are sea spiders it's just socially acceptable to eat them after you kill them join the mobile infantry today oh jj star wars is like eight-year-old me playing with my star wars action figures but worse I was way more imaginative yeah because that's the thing if you want to compare it to a child's approach with uh how he did it in that movie it's like yeah it's not even a very interesting child it's just like there's lots of them you're like okay come on timmy work with it what else you got um although committed to genocide and they were like queen slay I mean if if if that was established as an option couldn't she just automated it I don't know nah but yeah I mean didn't luke commit a genocide as well well I mean I guess if they were all combatants on a space station that was going to blow up things then yeah that's where we're at um but holdo managed to do it in such a way that seemed impossible so good for him holdo light speeded through the daycare on the supremacy oh yeah but you surely with 2.2 million people there would be some yeah right I mean I would have to assume yeah they have to have a full society on there and we're talking a significant one what did you say was 2.8 million a lot yes a lot of people I'm just gonna put like that's my opinion you know you can you can challenge it if you want to but that's what I think um this episode of efap rules been watching you for seven years sargon so happy we're winning this fight also high rags hey an efap on my birthday thank you everyone oh it says everyone won but I'm gonna let that go because it's your birthday so happy birthday uh why didn't the emperor just force choke ray because she would have deflected it with force lightning sabre that's how that works you imagine that you got a force choke somebody they hold up a lightsaber and it goes back into your own throat and you're like that don't do that god damn it uh that one's done uh you had to do this in the middle of a work day this was all we could get uh for this week I'm afraid so um you know we usually try and gun for a Saturday if it's not on a Saturday then that means there was some selfish guest forcing me and rags to do other things and that's disgusting I agree um hi rags hey would your clone have the same birthday as you or would it be the day he was created day he was created what present would you get him man I don't know I just I don't know if if um well I'd probably ask him if you wanted anything um I think I might just take him somewhere nice make a day of it something kind of romantic I suppose um just the two of us uh go out have a good time uh catch oh I take him to the zoo I take I take him to the zoo trying to say he's an animal take me to the zoos man zoos are great what if he would want to organize the thing or if he was like oh whatever he wanted whatever he wanted very good I would yeah I'd be like yeah sure whatever you want to do I'm not a picky guy and uh happy birthday doggo happy birthday to you'll hear about the drama going on on chat a bunch of thoughts are angry at a girl who uses a 3d model to earn more money than them thoughts yeah I've heard about that uh thoughts are mad it's pretty funny uh I find it hilarious but I guess is the question to get to the more interesting part of it it should it be allowed is that would that be the question because uh I suppose it can be considered a different genre but what I mean if there's a market for it right I don't know I feel like the same argument for the reason why chatter bait should exist is the same argument this cartoon should exist or whatever um unreasonable to me I think it's just up to chatter bait if they want to allow it or not and I think they're going to allow it if it's making the money so you know it doesn't break rules uh oh well wags hello and massifs hello your bit with sheave leaving to change his rose before they woke up was proper brilliant take my money for best sheave acting best sheave acting this just says boomer I'll assume that was uh for glib yep yes I am indeed a boomer glib I'm sipping my monster ultra it's a little moist thank you rags for convincing me to get a pc sargon for this weekend stupid no that's fair enough molla for the awesome movie critiques why thank you and arch for the warhammer law very kind I have a question for oh it's six hours later and they're gone uh high rags hey well delivered it was five hours later so that's a falsehood and I call my courtisms that's that's what I called upon that boomer alert again see glib this is so cruel that before you even arrive they were calling your boomer zoomers mad mm-hmm uh starship troopers more like watch hardcore henry you dumb boz damn we'll get there you really want to see that yes movie gives me a headache after a while arch rags and sargon does this mean the stream is sponsored by the world of darkness or by world of darkness probably oh the stream is absolutely sponsored by world of darkness I'd like to thank world of darkness darkness for sponsoring this podcast it's very politically correct and safe and we don't make any enemies we're very understanding everybody loves us it's weird this is a stream that world of darkness could get behind you go on any website on the internet any conversation about efap is positive basically all of them it's true and what's great is that not only are they all positive but they know exactly what we say yeah all the time they never get any of our positions wrong remember when when Jane Nicholson promoted it on twitter she was like guys check out this awesome podcast she understood everything that we were saying she definitely took the time to learn our arguments that very impressive very impressive I know there's reason there must be a reason people really would go and simp for also rags when is the canadian loli having your litter I don't know what you mean I don't know the canadian loli the canadian loli oh you're talking about a dev's character oh it's canonically it wasn't me it was a it was someone she met at a library I believe but I don't know that's kind of up to arch I think you should work move your bob into the story I am it's important to do that limits class carriers have a crew of 5000 a star destroyer has 125 times the volume scaling based on volume you get a crew of 625 000 for an ISD uh the supremacy likely would have had tens of millions yeah I actually thought that 2.8 million is probably small considering the size difference between it and a star destroyer but I mean if that's if that's what they're saying it is then whatever uh wow the name of the elephant protagonist of his self-titled disney movie no longer gets past susan not even with a capital D these days I don't understand how you wouldn't be able to write dumbo like that people have sent in harsher things than dumbo I color me surprised with a with a big old felt pen dumbo is also the name of a place in brooklyn like it's nicknamed so that's kind of weird um needs to do good on exam later ifap let me stop you right there hi wag hi hello filthy nazi longoid hello kick j up his brown table until he tastes boot oh my god that boot's gonna go really high up that throat um I'm not sure what that emotes is I think it's euox or only five percent of the ecosystem yet are responsible for 85 percent of pooflinging oh it's apes maybe whole monkeys either way uh yeah terrifying terrifying and terrible come on you jebs you want to clap forever star destroyers can't look up big al says so that is a shown of the dead reference right there um hashtag primaries suck oh yeah I uh I wonder if there's any result for that yet new answer primaries right sanders is polling high apparently 12 percent reporting bernie is currently in the lead with pete booty judge as as I've been told right behind him well kind of behind him and abe clober shaw behind that with elizabeth warren's being beaten by amy right now damn oh my god biden's in fifth place dang well we'll see how that cherry biden being in last is the funniest part of it for me some marines can't look up terminators can't move their heads they can what do you mean they can look left and right and kind of up and down I've seen it say that uh monkey mode this is censored on super chats why youtube I mean I can see it assuming that's what you're trying to send uh I can't tolerate this xenophobia I know it's just awful sargon should check out ender's game I can keep that for him uh see what he says hello all my x words hello there hello hi there a little trivia for you the supremacy which is about 13 kilometers long has a crew of about three million while the 40k overlord class battle cruiser which is about 5.3 kilometers long has a crew of a hundred thousand who do you think thought about their creation more um I don't know how much of a crew you would need for a ship of that size I guess but I'm assuming 40k thought more about theirs that's just I'm going to assume based on a quick assumption now would you rather shave off holders here or kiss every line on the face of chair share what oh share I guess yeah CHER sorry um I thought you didn't know that was share well I thought they might have misspelled that they were gonna why the fuck would that's not even a choice why wouldn't I just shave holders here I thought they were gonna say yeah hold oh again or like like we'd have to or something like about at the same level of as shaving I just I guess I didn't expect it to be shit I guess just like okay so yeah so it's either shave hold though or kiss every line on the face of shit I want to go with shave hold oh I guess yeah I guess because every line would be like her nose and stuff too and that'd be weird and I guess her let me look at what share looks like these days you'd be there for hours she doesn't even look like a real person wait when they say every line on her face is the joke that she has no lines on her face because she kind of looks like a couple maybe I need like a modern photo or something uh let's see I don't know some of these make her look kiss every line on the face of share I don't well part of it is getting my mouth involved like when it's like my hands at a distance like okay but I'm not gonna put my mouth under the people's faces if it's not like you know something nice and for clarification it was just shaving holders hair it was nothing nothing else don't yeah it wasn't like I don't have to like smooch it or kiss it or something yeah that's pretty easy this one says gas the bugs the only good bug is a dead bug just saying according to Weaver Larson and Godot Ari the Oscars Casey Anthony squeaky from and Blanche Taylor Moore are superheroes okay I don't know all of those names I'm afraid a bugs life a xenomorph autobiography I would read it I think we need to get their perspective on some stuff just saying hi rags hi I'm all Archon Sargon awesome Sargon your defenses stash your troopers is phenomenal gonna enjoy this well there you are we've got a whole episode about it hey I hope you liked it I'm from the country you are gay sound familiar I don't think there's a country literally spelled you are gay but Uruguay is close Uruguay Uruguay that's not spelled you are gay I don't know what if they've been spelling it wrong this whole time so if there were a place spelled y o u a r e g a y I would want to live there just saying Sargon please don't kill the stream this time he didn't manage it he tried I'm sure of it but uh the the e-fap lines held up the faps were too strong to be defeated so we did it I used to actually watch these generation films guys about a year or two ago I do find the videos entertaining but they're kind of morons I hate this American Ben guy I want to punch him um yeah I I feel like they could have done a better job without having looked into anything like some of the stuff they said just seemed strange um but they had fun making that video I'm sure of it rags I live in sight of Mount Rainier there are volcano evac signs and school kids do evacuation drills really where uh live in sight of Mount Rainier I don't know oh yeah I guess right Mount Rainier that's um that's where Mount St. Helens is right I don't know no no no no no that's the um that's in Seattle isn't it that's outside of that's uh it's by Seattle again I don't know but I don't think so oh I thought I was forget fuck that um yeah I think that's up in um up in Seattle up by Seattle Washington or something I don't know let me take a look um boop-doop uh large active stratovolcano in Cascadia which is 59 miles south southeast of Seattle and Mount Rainier National Park is considered one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world oh my goodness so uh it's a mean mean one's what you're saying it's a badman don't fuck us up what that's not that one is it gonna fuck us up there's one the Rainier yeah um like you could see it's the future right not my own yeah but the future of a volcano you can see into I remember that being when your powers I have to meet him oh I have to shake his hand fair enough yeah I guess I thought you were more powerful than I realized my bad wasn't the red Baron originally a cavalry officer or something and yet became one of the most renowned pilots in history possibly those at the beginning of those at the beginning of the Air Force existing at all I mean where would you get people that were pilots before that uh obviously they all knew each other because there were so few they all just knew each other they went to the same school they're like hey it's a great man and Starship Troopers made me appreciate citizenship and military service glad it did I don't think there are I don't think there are contemporary sources stating Spartans trained for war before the age of 17 also yet another time you talk down the Byzantines Byzantines uh I don't particularly remember talking down the Byzantine I don't remember it popping up I might have missed it people always downplay them because they're not as cool as the Roman Empire what can you do they're cool though these teens are cool could they breathe fire you know I'm not sure they might have been able to just saying they might have not been able to modern-day speculation assumes that they did uh Kelly Marie Tran had more Oscar screen time than in TROS that doesn't surprise me she's like say that one more time uh Kelly Marie Tran was in more of like she had more Oscar screen time than she had TROS screen time ha ha right because she's a terrible character in the movie and I hate her and I don't want anything to do with Rose Tico in Star Wars ever again yeah right what if they offered you 10 million to write a trilogy all about it would you do it say that one more time okay what if they offered you 10 million dollars to write a trilogy all about it yeah of course I would absolutely what would your plan be to fix it oh going off the top my head um her exploits as general in between how she goes on an arc of changing between the last Jedi and uh the rise of Skywalker what you make the trilogy you set the trilogy between those two films sure all right you're gonna have to you're gonna ignore like all the other characters or you're gonna bring them in as well what no this is just about her it's gonna be her how the fuck is that gonna work it's gonna be no it's gonna be her and some rebels going on submissions and adventures and she has to experience sacrifice and loss and all that sort of stuff which changes her perspective and uh teaches her some lessons about command and the value of life and the stupid advice she gave to other people at one time I probably just said after episode nine have a go through some horrible things the trilogy ends with her dying easy oh oh well I would okay there's also that it's a backup option so when a chat said blow off your legs plenty of options uh in the book they hang a sociopath recruit for killing a young girl the whole camp mourns and bears the shame of that murder no sociopath for life sociopaths are great especially when they're all condensed together as a unit with weapons that's where don't isn't that where you keep all your sociopaths oh yeah there are so many countries that still use penal legions that's that's like escape from la except for military force uh have you seen have you seen the small star wars animation palpatine's journey by with the kids on youtube it explains exactly how he survived it should be canon since trost didn't bother also high cigar oh oh that um also yes i i have seen it and it's hilarious and everyone should watch it i have seen it uh saagon that nazi was allowed on this family friendly alt right communist podcast what in the what is this world coming to you no i'm so sorry he's not to be that guy but if you're gonna talk military theory you should probably bring in an actual military theorist such as claus witz or sun sue um i don't know either of those guys i don't think sun sue is gonna want to come on e-fab like what do you guys reckon you talked to me a lot don't you rags who i knew you would listen like that's why it's perfect i would let this satisibba no i want to i i because we're talking about the i don't like the name specifically mm-hmm you weren't you weren't sure of it no really yeah i'm not because we're talking about military you should actually have a mill stuff on like and you mentioned someone else that was in the thing and it it's like a weird name yeah yeah uh i don't know if you know him um like if you've got his email address whatever uh do you know that sun sue is that familiar at all the guy who wrote the art of war no i don't know him damn it i know of him i don't think we're gonna be able to get him on to e-fab then sorry i've read his book it's really nice i i enjoy it but uh but yeah i i uh as for referencing or bringing on minds that are more familiar with it we do our best on e-fab you know but obviously this was entered into a critique of of a film so uh sometimes we explore subjects we're not entirely familiar with but we bring on some people who have a bit more experience but um tell us uh tell us where we uh weren't correct i suppose oh well i don't know if that's it's probably a commentary on how we could have had uh even more depth as to general yeah i think but uh we can only do so well you know yeah good stream chaps interesting fact i took the military outfits from soldier and made new helmets and used them in firefly hey rags oh hello that's cid nicholson took the military outfits from soldier made new helmets and used them in firefly you worked on firefly hi he worked on metalocalypse as well cid you do stuff oh daddy yeah that is totally brutal that's a cool career fucking uh that's really impressive that's really interesting add to your cocaine fucking show it's uh it's a weird one i sadly didn't get to have an ed dig for that show yeah apparently they got screwed out of it too like the community is pissed off to this day about it yeah i don't swim kind of like they troll them about it they're like lol you didn't like we're not bringing it back and i don't know why that happened i guess i don't know more specifics on it maybe the some of the community were being dicks about it but i mean who doesn't like an ending you know yeah i like endings oh no we just only like the middle oh yes of course yeah all the fans are dissatisfied because they had middle those fools i would say they handle it surprisingly well considering they're fighting giant bugs i'm assuming that might be referring to the clindathu attack i don't really know specifically oh well oh danger is real fear wait danger is real fear is a choice cypher agents oh yeah yeah that's the that's the fucking tagline for um after earth is fear is a choice yeah and that's just like biologically not true it's just what do they even mean at that point like uh you're afraid until you choose not to be at that point it's like oh well imagine telling kids that whenever they're afraid it's something that they're choosing to do right and they think oh no i just i'm good they're gonna try to not be afraid but they can't because that's just not how it works it's a natural biological response to things that are happening to you and like uh you can't you can't stop being afraid but you can learn courage i guess you know finally started watching buffy thanks to your recommendation excellent finally some good rat also high wags hello uh you know i'm something of a lighthouse keeper myself i get it keep that one for song on can't decide if i'm tired or not so my husband told me that if i was a movie if that would slaughter me for inconsistencies never have i been so offended by something i 100 agree with love all you guys oh yeah it would clearly be a plot hole if you were simultaneously tired and didn't want to sleep we would we would absolutely rate you a zero out of ten as a as a story but i hope you managed to get to sleep if you were tired sleepy sleep time um i keep that facade on the mi suck because they aren't acting like bugs oh a bug sociopathic i don't know i don't want to judge too much i don't i haven't read the books yet their body their choice moley you murdered art go human intercourse yourself oh no maybe i will um this just says in quotes from rags yes they came oh yeah they came yeah i i remember i think i said that and i don't think anyone reacted to it in any way so i just let it go but hey summon up there oh yeah let it go you love frozen right me yeah it's like one of your favorite movies of all time i think i haven't seen frozen oh well it must be mistaken oh well uh this dude is clearly the apex pro on intercourse oh yeah oh yeah this guy knows you know what's up chicks love that unkempt face that's dirty and an unwashed overly tight shirt with an excessively large v-neck people chicks love this says sogon or other baby girl needs love and attention does that mean anything well i guess you're the other well could not mean you couldn't i mean glib it's probably glib where you already said it oh well it just said sogon or other like as if it was directed to them i read it out so i was really directing it to one of you guys you know that's how it works i'm not lost as am i nothing like a reeling belly laugh from the sogon man not even my voiced Churchill body pillow blesses me so love you all and hi ragas good boy amus hi to be fair to the guy in the video if he is comparing all space marines at the same time all flaws are legitimately compared to adeptus astatis but they are fearless one ton genetically modified zealots hence why i think if you're gonna be like fucking he doesn't even do that though in a lot of those segments he just says so instead of saying rico is is like um not efficient as a commander compared to the exploits of this person from this fiction he'll just be like he's a fucking idiot he's a dipshit like at one point you just say he's not as smart as uh john spot but i don't think that's fair like you have to do more than that i would suppose to try and create a better dynamic but separately if we even agreed and said that that was the point of the comparison he's not a dipshit for the medic thing okay he's actually pretty clever in the movie relative to the limits of his position in time and space like this don't what exactly was he supposed to be i guess is the uh the complaint because i think it would make for a kind of boring video if you literally would just like compare them all and who the best is i imagine there's a definitive answer already as a lot of people are saying is 40k would win so i uh i would want to compare the uh mobile infantry to something a little lower down the scale in sci-fi or um fiction in general than Barton's or the space marines and also um i don't really recall him ever saying we're comparing these space marine guys to the starties i well again that's what the series was called he had a reference here and there two other ones oh sorry i said john spawn this demolition man what's uh what's the name of uh master chief john something right john i thought it was just 117 john is that it because i don't actually know yeah yeah john i don't think he has a real name john is his real name no no i mean his surname he doesn't have a surname his i don't know what it is john and then his tag or whatever is okay zero 117 yeah i definitely mix those up uh guys they shower together proof of the sloppy marines man is ridiculous these points are utterly insane i bet he's never had human intercourse pooping with your door open is great rags ever notice it's the same person saying this stuff to you e-fap after e-fap you know i guessed mm-hmm it's not going to be a lot of people saying that to you is it yeah you think that it's a it's a fairly niche kind of that's how we're gonna win not human court not human intercourse with those who we love fighting the bugs we hate he rose would be great in uh in the starter troopers universe clearly his name is john halo would the mobile infantry stand up to 40 k i g in f i g i don't know i don't know what any of that is unfortunately i don't know is there like dates no but i'm just gonna guess no like as a whole so i assume 40k universe is just uh very difficult for something like the mobile infantry from the first starter troopers movie to stand up against for the last question depends on the i g regiment oh there you go there was a response in super chat which sequel character would you like to get sucked by the brain bug say that one more time which sequel character would you like to see get sucked by the brain bug um probably rose so it's starved to death that's horrible rags she's there's some meat in there i'm sure of it and that's really good i can't top is the federation supposed to be alfred it seems to me that resources would be an issue when considering outfitting their entire retinue against the bugs i would think so that's uh maybe they should have gone into a little bit in the movie watch mojo top 10's a better research than this garbage am this is a bit bizarre oh wait i read that one out a good example is in halo whereby the third game humanity is starting to catch up with the covenant tech wise uh oh do you mean like in terms of just progression of technology in um in a fictional universe while during a war it's like yeah that's what they do with that uh that new independence day movie they do that's true yeah yeah they uh i could do it what i mean is that the book had them in really good armor so the subpar armor in the movie stands out yeah i mean i don't know that it does it stand out to people who haven't read the book probably not seems kind of normal it yeah it stood out to them stood out to the book readers and the people the people who made the video apparently they they knew about the book as well uh if you have to ship all that armor halfway across the galaxy the weight of all that armor matters that's why us tanks were smaller than german ones i mean i i i i i i agree that it would take uh you got to be careful about where you're moving all this shit it's just that i would maintain that it's what i said right defending five guys really well or defending everybody relatively well plus when it comes to tanks like you wouldn't you would put you'd bring them up to atmosphere one at a time or whatever because other ships are in space already i mean once the yeah i i don't know about that right we need to know more about how the universe works before we can sort of conclude that like a significant amount of tanks would be an impossibility or irrational of them to do i don't know we don't we don't know enough about all of the situation with them it's clear their limbs can be replaced their heads are vital thus the thick helmets yeah those helmets look like they're uh sturdy looks like they're quite some serious business fantastic seesaw gun on e-fap also high rags hi animus the past two hours you're gonna have to back it up boys i think she said that she was not too interested in this uh topic which is fair enough this is like saying the people in attack on titan should have come up with better ways to fight titans i mean the assumption is that uh there was they had the capabilities based on their other technology i think is what the argument was in the video like why didn't they have other things when they have these things that sort of thing uh h i m k relo fans orphan hitler you can marry the orphan oh so marry kill what would hi stand for hi so let me uh i'll i'll post it to you marry the orphan but it can't be loved if you kill hitler you become hitler do whatever to the degenerates you can marry the relo fans orphan hitler but there are four you got married kill i and h i know h stands for hitler right hitler i marry kill well who hitler is not a you want to hit less somebody i don't know you're gonna hitler someone oh some people saying human into course oh right right oh i get it human intercourse so fuck marry kill human intercourse marry kill i get it that's fantastic all right so the options probably too young for human intercourse relo fans would probably well they're clearly looking to fuck something so i think so i'm gonna go with human intercourse with relo fans um definitely going to kill the orphan and you know you had to you had no choice because it said if you kill hitler you become him so you had to marry him you took one for the team you're gonna try and lead him away from his more uh ghastly ways all right you're gonna be a loving wife it'll be great long man your theme is the battle of lil slugger that's from um super me boy i think i think that's right i used it in the outro for my soma series if my memory is functional this guy is expecting every soldier to be doom guy and if that was the point if you were supposed to be like see how this guy's not as strong as someone like doom guy i should be like what this seems pointless doom guy's not as strong as someone who's twice as strong as doom guy so there the us army lost the vietnam war because of overconfidence and despite having the better tech the federation thinks bugs are dumb and low tech interesting perspective the pulse rival from boiling it down i was sure it is a very simplified version we we got through it relatively fast today you know it could have gone on for a hell of a lot longer discussing all of that yeah for sure um the pulse rifle from aliens has a base weapon of a thompson machine gun starship troopers are just space guns in a movie uh no there's there's a there's something inside the marita shell that's the reason why i think it's a ruger 14 uh uh right mini 14 doesn't know i'll look that up looks like it is inside of a um yeah ruger mini 14 with an under slung ithica 37 it's a bullpup uh mz 14 muzzle light stock very well the bugs are dangerous because they don't do the human intercourse oh they do bug bug intercourse bug in bandathian intercourse i would assume by standard they mean nato standard well but they seemed still nondescript about there's more information about a bullet than this nato standard bullet it's like any more than that like i'm assuming rags you you were more interested in what kind of gun and bullet it is right like way more specifics yeah i mean it works but you could do a whole lot but like individually like one gun on one bug and it seems in the movie like sometimes it kills really quick sometimes it doesn't i guess if you hit the nerve stem or not like they were talking about but you know i'd want these guys to have large caliber bullets some tips that are really good for you know piercing through the bug i don't know the carapace or whatever it's got around it definitely could do better they work sure but you could definitely do better lots and lots of room for improvement uh why was my third super chat lost stream skipped but i basically don't skip any so if it were it was an accident and if it it might have been missed or uh i don't know i i i can try and have a look while reading out some of these other ones i shall i'll find a way through um efap on a tuesday and saugan it's my lucky day also high wax oh hello oh my god are you defending the first invasion oh wait i read that one out stuff in the uk and their rain we're dying from drought here in northland new zealand well this is the thing people complain about it like uh people call the weather miserable and especially people who are visiting are like wow it's such a soggy here they're just and i'm always just like oh i mean i'm not complaining i like this weather it it works for me i know it doesn't work for everyone like you rags oh i have to have the sun you know the sun's useless don't do anything i don't need the sun to see where i'm going name one good thing the sun ever did it makes the crops grow that's your opinion you can't prove that it lights the day it warms up my tea when it sits outside in the jug of water um so the third i just found the third one i think anyway one no one two yeah looks like it's the third one um and i definitely read this one out because i remember rags his answer but i'll read it out again if you want says so uh rags has out of himself on rule 34 now i'm i'm aware of it that was i'm pretty sure your answer last time yeah i'm don't worry i'm aware of it uh do do do happy early birthday rags i know it's tomorrow thank you you can see this time and time again in the civil war with generals trying to take cities by force and then having to settle into a siege you can have uh you have to engage the enemy at some point an interesting comparison to add to the collective uh flisms of the argument of course that fleet formation was bizarre even if the bugs were just bugs why were they all so close together it's space that's the one bit that makes no sense even with your defense um i don't think your problem was that they were going to accidentally crash into each other they were completely blown away by the the the artillery stuff right yeah so like a formation is not something that's i imagine going to fucking get them in super around a trouble when they're dealing with a bunch of bugs uh they are relatively close to each other but they probably i don't know i don't know is that unreasonable when you find an enemy that shouldn't be able to even touch you in space necessarily yeah i don't know i mean i expect kind of resistance i don't think it's that unreasonable i'd have to look at the scene see how close they are again just from the visual perspective you want to have as much action in the frame as possible so if you know if you have two ships in a frame and the lens can only have a certain width to it you kind of have to cheat it and put those ships together even if it doesn't make as much sense when you're thinking about it after the fact i don't know if that's the exact reason but i'm sure if everything were more realistic it could be a little bit less interesting to see what it looks like because i mean we could probably go into a rabbit hole of tactics about well i was gonna say like i can i could totally we could speculate a lot for why they would do it from an entertainment standpoint but if we're solely talking about tactical uh the only defense i would even think about is is that not something anyone would do in real life uh when they're not assuming to deal with something that's gonna be effective in any way in space i don't know maybe maybe not uh i don't know i don't know i would i would i would have to have check out someone's testimony on such a thing uh happy early birthday rags uh thank you very much thank you very much i hope you have an awesome one for an awesome doggo also hi long man hello should go pretty good favorite e-fab guests also mulla you open to paid voiceover work um it's not like i'm not it's just the i don't know if i have time these days and uh i don't know what i should even price it at anymore because i don't know it's just it's complicated it's not something i've thought about and i don't um i don't know what do you think rags would you do it someone has actually asked me that and so i need to find out generally what the price is because i don't want to undersell myself you know but yeah uh i'm not a gain step but i'm also not sure how i go about it uh yeah sorry that's a that's a poopy answer but i really am not sure yet i think in my head i'm like maybe down the line once i have done more of the things i want to do on youtube but it's like that's probably never gonna end because there's always new stuff coming out i don't know um i'd like to think i would that's still a useless answer but that's the best i can do right now because i'm not sure anyway finally saw on an arch i'm gonna love watching this later also hi wax hello um oh my god this is this is somebody getting upset with the sensors in super chat i'm so fucking sick to depth of this god damn god bridge garbage these super chat sensors are fudging bobship well bobship fudging all of my angry rats look like they were written by a cambodian exchange student first semester ingrish susan starts with sw rhymes with air to god after i'm done with you even ra will be screaming at me to staple staple gun down also hi rags hello i can't say vietnamese but i can say gun question i don't know you also can't talk about a hitler apparently that's an evil oh man of long would you be gracious enough to impart on to me the knowledge of the buffy watch order it does seem i have lost it to the passion passage of time so the one i use is on jossweeden.blogspot.com's forward slash 2012 forward slash oh for forward slash buffy and angel episode viewing order with a dash between each word ending with dot html you google for a buffy and angel episode viewing order and look for anything that has that in the url you should be able to find it very simple it tells you to watch seasons 123 and then it shows you how the later seasons cross over with each other and the episodes that are red are the ones that have the significant kind of crossover that you should really um uh make sure you don't screw up in terms of order hopefully that helps just leave it to the death core uh how dare these space marines not be a start is reee i mean if that was the goal of the series like i said i just don't really see why they even bothered i don't know uh moeller have you seen sargon's vid on starship troopers if so what do you think uh i liked it i enjoyed listening to the arguments for how uh the like the events of the film and and the extra knowledge from the book how a lot of it can be interpreted and sort of discussed and i like i said i think it would be really awesome to see uh two people who are like super knowledgeable in depth about everything that was done in terms of making the film and writing the stories and stuff to figure out was it x or was it y or which one is it closer to um because it's it's i've always found it interesting uh also if you've seen anything by arch i rags hello i don't think i've watched anything from arch warhammer yet because i know fuck all about uh 40k i think i've seen a couple of his videos about topics that i'm more familiar with like has he done any movie reviews i don't know if you guys know i feel like i've seen something from him to do with media that i'm familiar with but i can't remember what it was might have been game of thrones might have been like have the marvel i'm not sure um sargon sargon no this isn't the stream for this oh god this twitter sewage that moeller is gonna have to deal with later thanks sargon i'll be fine i survive jenny's nights surely yeah we'll be fine well the night's the nights of jen that's what i'm supposed to say moeller why do you have that memorized this i've got a bookmark for it because i have to give it out all the time uh rags would you rather have human intercourse or jewish intercourse oh my once just more specific than the other that's what they mean um giving children puberty blockers is morally wrong as children lack the capacity for informed consent most gender dysphoric children grow up to be gay not trans as supported by peer reviewed studies i have heard that i saw that on one of the studies i first saw by adan paladin did a video about that that uh will make you upset if uh if you watch it you'll be very upset at some of the stuff in the goings on's yeah it's a very on's goings on's going on going on goings on i think both work i can't remember which one's right anymore you destroyed my whole universe um but yeah very you got to be very careful with what you were allowed to happen to children at a very young age obviously it's very complicated and uh those brains man they're going all over the place they have not settled um complex topic i've been trying to upload a video about the mandalorian it keeps getting hit with copyright all clips are less than nine seconds and flipped i even watermarked it what do i do so i used to tell people to keep under 10 seconds these days i found myself you have to keep under six you have to keep under six seconds that's the most i've ever been clipped for it's never been five so it's horrifying but that's all i can tell you unfortunately um i think i had um i had a clip in my rise of skywalker review from mandalorian that was i think above six seconds or around six seconds i didn't get clipped so yeah sometimes it's really luck related so the infinitisms videos part one got hit like a bazillion times that finally went through three four and no three and four two three and four sorry uh all went pretty fine like without a hitch like the first attempt from the episode they went through part two three and four yeah part five is the one that for it hasn't come out in a while because it's only yesterday that it finally got um the latest version got through copyright and editor was having fucking shit tons of trouble with it and it's really annoying they seem to be selective the bots on how exactly they'll care and this is especially true because fellowship of the ring got rendered once and it worked return of the king got rendered about 20s plus times and it finally went through two towers has been rendered and i shit you not like 150 times it feels ridiculous and they just keep grabbing things that they shouldn't be grabbing and it finally stopped about three weeks ago and it hasn't been picked up again so we're assuming now that it's going to work but oh you never know with these things uh you guys going to do the pros and flaws of other factions too so i'm interested to see what he does with clones on that channel well we can check it out offline see if it's worth covering but um i don't know see if it seems it unless is what is particularly bad as what we just watched i don't know if they're all that way i hope not for his sake i guess she's channel sake soldiers were better than tanks because tanks could get overrun by numbers uh we're with men that can group fire and move into terrain that tanks can't go i mean at that point we're just describing the pros and cons of a soldier versus a tank we know that tanks have loads of pros compared to a soldier yeah and it depends on how you use them and they could outrun a bug as well and their deployment is key a lot of stuff that goes into it especially if you use defensively joint warfare is required you can't just have one or the other you need guys around the tank to protect it and you need a tank for i mean all these all these things have purposes right they're not just like we use tanks because we don't have enough people it's like no no use tanks for like other things if anything you use tanks because you don't have enough people yeah i mean you use a tank because it's a gun that's humongous that powers itself and the bigger the gun that you have the better off you are right fuck do you want big gun over here i'm smart what is your military experience glib uh i uh i completely intended to be commanded i completely called me for two dude i i commanded my raid on uh anixia 40 men pretty impressive i too have been called gay by a 12 year old it's all part of the duty thank you for your service you said duty michael tukashevsky and germany lost because they didn't have oil also socialism i would say that an excess of socialism and a lack of oil are not good put together yeah that's just absolutely no you know what's happening there so also while you're at it try not to fight almost the whole world at once that's yeah fight fight like half maybe even 60 but once you go over that 60 no it's not happening it's just not work uh platers republic is ruled by philosopher kings arguably the scientist government before starship troopers current government yeah that's a fair argument against what i was saying but um i think that uh there's a very fine line between the two parties the scientists and the the veterans and their role and who should be supported in society it's kind of a conservative versus liberal argument i think but i are on the side of the uh the veterans so here you go service guarantees citizenship it's not the only way by the motto uh yeah i suppose it's not like the motto is saying it's the only way yeah i'd agree with that sargoy if you come to the land down under don't do a show in melbourne it's our london and you'll get shut down by the gays oh my god hey i can damn gays save that for him if he wants to canceling those pesky gays gosh darn gays money for four of my favorite guys also the other guys cool too oh there you go hey an interesting matter in the terran foundation in the book is that citizenship isn't even restricted to humans oh my god but that's not racist just to say thank you all for amazing content and you're making my day so much more fun while listening to you hey i'm glad oh it's great hope you enjoyed and are enjoying i guess mola pronounce though so i'm supposed to say yoshi but everybody in britain says yoshi so i call him yoshi which one does fringy say i feel like fringy would say yoshi well add him to the call why so we can find out how he says it uh his discord says he's sleepyisms all right yoshi that's probably how you'd say that as an excuse i guess i don't want to wake the poor man up do you all right you can give him a ping if you want to no i don't want to be united on this i want to cause i don't want to cause any issues um i mean i don't say yoshi you know that's that's that's something yoshi all right yoshi mario's on yoshi what is that actually what do you do that's uh cambridge sure oh cambridge yeah i know cambridge mola said in the last efap he wanted a uh x oh right like a porn video with a good soundtrack anything is i work as a video editor for xxx films uh check out the opening bumper to my family pies it's pretty catchy my family pies what flavor are those cool well porn hub uh let's see so let me see this takes this is uh takes me to porn hub myfamilypies.com from newbealsporn.com what's the opening jingle i gotta find top rated videos i guess this is uh my family pie the opening yeah let me take a look this one is stepbrows christmas threesome and sister cream pie just sounds like a bunch of tags to me hashtag give a second i'm getting there right a lot of ads follow us damn wow this is like uh rags you really oh my goodness we can't hear anything you gotta tell us wow it's like an actual it's like an actual high production sitcom about fucking your sisters about human intercourse well it doesn't like they show us it starts off innocently enough but you know why you're here and you know all these people are gonna be fucking someone at some point but then they just cut to fucking but the music just keeps going on like normal but uh it looks like oh if the music is on youtube here uh let me see if i can get it on youtube uh my family pie intro song uh you're the best big brother i could have ever asked for oh boy so yeah this is uh yeah man this is a it's a song it's just a song about in any other context would be totally heartwarming and supportive and all that stuff but when you know that they're fucking then it just sort of changes things up you know i like it it's great they made oh there's videos where they put it over like finneas and furb and all sorts of stuff yeah so uh there we go uh she was a genius there's no way he could have known ray had a second sabre his plan would have worked perfectly if not for that that's why windu lost that's true it's true he didn't see that other lightsaber when he pulled them across the room he just flew out of his hand he like yes he would have seen two lightsabers activated but he didn't remember it and that's why he's he's not at fault also hi boom a sock on wait go ahead i was just saying uh i thought you were talking about the last jedi for a second there isn't that exactly the same thing that happens wasn't expecting the second lightsaber um yeah now it's back to teenage latin babe has hardcore sex and gobbles cock also hi boom a sagan and hi rags you degenerate oh no that's that's not true after what we just went through that pass five but it's no that's not true at all Jesus Christ look at her civic libertarianism is not fascism human intercourse is long speech for sex long speech long speech do you speak the long speech uh got a saagon questiony who else is riko gonna call for horrid uh oh my god that was the joke i made as well i didn't actually see that if that was before after i said it someone said send me a link to it uh yeah let me uh still got it i didn't mean to steal your joke if i did i'm so sorry this is like i'm vibing to them fucking yeah boy except it's a cheesy sitcom music is what it is but it's like i yeah vibe check come the armor and starship troopers are in pr lost galaxy okay yeah it sounds like they were reused for different movies i guess assuming that is a different movie uh moeller have you played a tunnel darkness if so what would you have wanted to see from a sequel or how could the insanity mechanic have been improved i wasn't a huge fan of insanity mechanic in that game because it felt like a regenerating health bar as opposed to as in you lose you start losing health once the sanity bar is depleted so think of it as like the energy shield in halo essentially but sanity um and it was controlled just by i think avoiding monsters i remember i wasn't a huge fan of that game i really liked the opening hour or so because i streamed it on halloween which which game eternal darkness on gamecube how i played it um i think i played it in like i want to say halloween of 2016 or 17 feels like a lifetime ago but i really wanted to love it and then i was disappointed with how a couple of mechanics work and i got really burnt out on the story like it took way too long for me to think it was actually going somewhere interesting um it's rated really highly oh yeah it's one of the gamecube favorites in fact i'm probably gonna get into a bit of trouble for saying i didn't like it but it's okay um though i did just shit on the mechanic quite a bit i don't know sanity's requiem because people were like how could we didn't reference it in the soma amnesia videos and i was like oh yeah because i hadn't played at that point because they have a sanity mechanic but i think that to call it a sanity mechanic compared to the one in amnesia the doctor sent is a little unfair because like i said it's like an energy shield in halo that's kind of how it worked and uh i just didn't find it that interesting it was if anything was just kind of um boring and the creep factor in that game just got less and less as i progressed because i found the the mechanics to be pretty clunky and annoying but i i wouldn't take my perspective too seriously i only played just about more than half of the game um and that was what i wanted like three years ago so uh i'd have to replay it to to be able to answer that question more thoroughly as for a sequel take all the stuff i liked and do more of that without being more specific because i really can't remember a lot of it unfortunately it was a lot better than manamadan i'll get i'll give it that there you go oh my god that's an achievement shoots friend in head bill bow i mean that's something you could have said clearly this guy wants mario to be in this movie yahu waha yippie wait why what's that referencing mario's death sound is pretty funny hello rags hello human intercourse oh