 Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk tech talk Tech talk tech talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk Number 109 109 baby boy unbelievable 109 tech talks anyway We've got a very special one tonight We've got Ryan white joining us from road microphones tonight too great to have you with us Because there's lots of cool stuff that road has say hi Ryan. Hello everyone. Thanks man. All right lots of great stuff that podcast movement here in Denver and We're in the middle of the expo show floor, which I thought would be a relatively calm place to do it But we had sound checking and booth building going on all around so it seems to have calmed down now So we should have a nice whole time to chat with Ryan here. Alrighty voiceover body shop tech talk lots of cool stuff coming up right now Voiceover body shop tech talk is brought to you by voiceover essentials calm the home of Harlan Hogan signature products Source elements the folks who bring you source connect the oh heroes calm become a hero to your clients with award-winning voiceover training Voice actor calm your voice over website ready in minutes Voice over extra your daily resource for voice over success and by world voices the industry association of Freelance voice talent And now here's your hosts Dan and George Well, hello there. I'm Dan Leonard. I'm George William, and this is voiceover body shop or vo Bs. Yes, tech talk Tech talk tech talk Okay, so George tell us again where you are and why it's a Little noisy in the background. Yeah, I mean that we've gotten the noise floor down a bit I'm gonna do the share the mic technique here between the two of us since the noise level came down a bit Spoke too soon picks up again, right? Yeah, there goes a scissor lift, so I'll go close Mike again Yeah, we're here at podcast movement and I was able to get in here A lot of it. Thanks in part to BSW and road they hooked me up with a greatly discounted pass which was really helpful because showing up to podcast movement is it's not cheap It's it's there's a fair cost involved to attend the show and it's because of the sheer volume of content is massive, so I'm gonna be here all week just trying to Suck in as much useful information as well as try to share some of my own information with people and do some networking So after we get through the intro of the show Ryan's gonna give us some a little rundown of the roadcaster duo during the Tech talk Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, so if you're just joining us for the first time here at voiceover body shop tech talk We talk about home voiceover studio stuff and since George is that podcast movement. We there are some Parallels of audio for for for podcasting as there is for voiceover and George and I know how to deal with both of those things because we both do them We've been doing it a long time Talk and walk the walk and and we've been walking that walk and talking that talk for 12 years now voiceover body shop, so Not only do we have we've been doing the show a long time But we've been doing home voiceover studios and recording stuff for much longer than that And if you need to have your studio built right it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be at the Taj Mahal It can be your walk-in closet There's all sorts of places you can do it, but you have to know how and it's not the equipment It's how you use it But if you need to know what it is you got to have and how to use it you can work with one of us For example, if you want to work with George, where do they go? you can head over to George the dot-tech and Not only can you work with me you can work with a whole bunch of us because we are actually a Collective of the greatest tech people in our midst and we have an amazing Amazing amount of resources of course. We have a huge library of content. We've already generated in our webinars area We've got a lot of free resources We've got our your recommendations and trusted vendors pages and of course you can just get a sound check The most valuable thing that we do is a sound check over at George the dot-tech Dan I like the name that you gave your sound check What do you do it? What do you do over your place? Well over at home voiceover studio calm I have my specimen collection cup. Yes, which you know, you can deposit an mp3 of your audio and I want it raw You know, this is just going in the sewer all still one. Yeah, it's I Want fresh I don't want to hear what kind of processing you're doing and all this stuff that you probably shouldn't be doing I want to hear the clean raw sound of your studio. So if we have to make adjustments, we can do that It's just $25 for the analysis. I will give you a very Thurrow analysis ask anybody that I've done that for and they'll tell you yeah, that was really really So anyway You know and of course you can communicate with both of us if you just write to us at the guys at VOBS dot TV right there. So All sorts of ways to get ahold of us So anyway, it's time for George's tech update and since he's at podcast movement And he has a guest with him whose car just happens to be still sitting on my desk right here What a quickie I know What you tell people about Ryan and what he's doing there well, I've got Ryan white here with me We've met for the first time in person at Vio Atlanta, right indeed. We're both at Vio Atlanta and I've known and worked with road products for a really long time. They've also been a supporter of They've been a supporter of another show I'm on called the pro audio suite and so I have a long relationship with road So thanks to them. I'm here because of that relationship, you know And I would not have probably have come had it not been for that little boost from them So that out of the way, I thought this would be a really cool opportunity to be able to sit down and actually talk to to Ryan in a relatively quiet environment and Since he's showing a new product today, we could get a little sneak preview of it It's it's pretty new just starting to ship right 100% just starting the ship It's a 499 full price and it is two channels less than the previous version So for those people who are looking for the compact version of the roadcaster pro to that's right It's the roadcaster pro shrunken Which you know a lot of folks have looked at the roadcaster pro to in the voiceover realm Because it look well first of all looks freaking cool. It's covered in lights You know has a lot of cool features, but it's too big So they they shrunk it and this is the roadcaster pro duo So so who is this for obviously it was Mostly podcasters in mind But who else do you think are gonna find they get a good use out of the roadcaster duo The first thing I always mentioned for both the roadcaster pro to and the duo are that they they have the new Preamps inside of them. So you're getting 76 DB of as clean of gain as you can possibly get inside of a Proo Sumer style piece of gear So you're not gonna have to break the bank specifically on a preamp and then integrate that into your circuit Or otherwise or a bunch of different outboard gear to get that clean game right from the desk You're gonna be able to actually achieve that with those preamps that are inside of it. So those are a new revolution preys Wow that now now I'm using a roadcaster, you know, the the the first one. Yeah, this is looks yeah, it's it's What's really different about it really? It's probably it's condensed. It's all the same stuff It's just still just just condensed. So so it's obviously a smaller footprint So it's gonna be a lot more friendly to us compact or cramped Desk, right exactly. So the roadcaster pro one, I won't get too deep into the differences in the two versus the one That's where we really took the idea of the roadcaster pro and and just drove it home Like I said with those preamps and just a lot more features on board Dual USB output and various features like that with the duo versus the roadcaster pro two We wanted to keep the exact same board That's why the price is where it's at is because you're getting the exact same feature set Minus two channels. So you lose two faders for your Mike to Mike channels I should say and it's still Mike line and all of the inputs instrument inputs all that stuff But you only get two so if I show you the backside of it right here, you're just gonna see the two Right next to it You're gonna get the the two channels of headphone output instead of four channels of headphone output Still has your line level outputs for speakers or for a send if you're wanting to use it in that Manor and then on the front you're gonna notice that there's six pads instead of eight One thing we did add to this that these two does not have is we put the TRRS jack right back where it belongs On the board so it's actually in front now and it goes perfectly with our NTH 100 m's, which will have the microphone I have the NTH 100 technically I do have the NTH 100 m's because I have the microphone right over there I want to try that out and we should you should try that out before we leave the show shit We will exactly so now you actually have that feature set back on the road kester duo So that that jack on the front is a trrs jack, right? It's a headset jack it is a headset jack as well as a microphone input So when you're on the channel, you can actually assign it as an input for a channel Very cool. So that that no matter what kind of headset you have whether it's like a more of a mobile device Headset or a gamer headset you can plug it in Yeah, yeah when when you guys came out with this originally, you know George and I were looking at it and you know It was designed specifically. I think for podcasting Because you've got four channels and all that kind of stuff But we immediately saw that it would be very very valuable for voice actors You know not that you need for inputs unless you have three other people around you But it had a lot of cool features that made it very useful for voice actors especially if you're doing remote stuff and And those sorts of things have have a lot of people come back to you from the voiceover business and said hey This this actually works for voiceover too because it sounds great It's got those great preamps and and so much versatility and of course I still love The pads and all that stuff that you can throw in there, which is exactly or like when things get quiet I throw a girl from eponema on there. It just makes it a lot easier. That's the air button Absolutely, yeah, and we did we we put everything on this and so whether you're talking about the Rokester Pro 2 or the Rokester Duo You are still talking to voiceover actors the exact same as you are for podcasters We actually call this a production desk now a production studio instead of a podcast studio and so we can talk all day long about The gain structure of a Rokester Pro 1 a cloud lifter need it don't need it dynamic mic condenser mic in your world and Voiceover we're working on condenser microphones, which typically have that gain structure, but you need it to be as clean as humanly possible So once they actually brought that into the two Shut down that conversation real quick about clean game and then with the duo now. It's for those people specifically that are Maybe multifaceted but not needing four people right and if you don't need four different plugins Even if you're doing guitars or music or some kind of other thing into your production Then the duo can suit you if you are in fact using four different channels And you need that all on one board with clean game. You can go right back to the two no problem Yeah, if you know how to use one you know how to use the other they have the same underpinnings and then tell us a little bit about the Capabilities on board that you get with this which again are shared with the two Yeah, so one of my favorite things so we talked about the preamps With the roadcaster pro one the original versus the two and then the duo was combo jack So I do have the versatility to plug in even high-end Outboard gear if I would like to add that into my signal chain a console for matter I you know those are the combo jacks there. They look like an XLR with a big hole in the middle Those are combo jacks if you ever hear that term. That's what we're talking about exactly Thanks for clarifying absolutely because that will accept a quarter-inch for a guitar or like I said your TR TRS cables from a console or otherwise so you can integrate it into Existing signal flow as well whereas you couldn't with the original but again to the design of it We wanted it to be an all-in-one place right now I am literally plugging it into a portable power bank and it is powering the entire unit and so we are literally as Portables we possibly can and inside of the board with these two channels or the four on the two you have DSing roll-offs compression all that processing that again You may not want to use if you don't have a good initial sound But once you have that good initial sound then you add those features onto it And I always just tell people that you're Have produced for the final product right if you do it, right? You might even be right there towards mastering and finishing your product for distribution One thing I like is I just set up a roadcaster pro 2 for cloud 10 media and And one thing I found in setting it up and using it. I actually have one myself as well, but I don't use the record function I love that you can record dry and monitor wet and what does that mean? It means that that the talent on the show listening on in headphones the people's interacting with each other Can be benefit they can be benefited by having some processing in their headphones, right? It it can reduce some of the background noise or distractions and it can clean up what they're here in the headphones There's a couple reasons why some processing would be nice But you can track that recording without the processing and you can choose to send that recording to the computer via USB also without processing and that's really a really cool feature because You're not stuck with the processing right what you hear live while you're doing a performance whether it be podcasting whether it be acting really Is not necessarily what you want on the finished product It can be and if you're a good engineer and you're really good at doing that stuff live It's not easy, but if you're good at it, then you can commit it But otherwise you don't have to worry about that which is really clever about way this thing is designed We we fully came into this with the idea and honestly with the with the original we we learned a lot along the way as well I don't know how many firmware updates we had from the one I was there from the very beginning I had it when it first came out and I thought wouldn't it be cool if wouldn't it be nice if Every three to six months new firmware. It was like the product had a rebirth It was a mind-blowing it 100% did and then we did get to the point to where the processing inside just couldn't quite keep up a lot of people asking for reverb and various effects and now as many people know the two and the duo have Reverb and echo and you can become a monster and whatever whatever effect you want to add to your microphone channel And then to your point as well one of the the the last things I'll mention to anyone This is not meaning that this is the last thing I'm mentioning here is just that two USB ports are available to you But that what most people don't understand is that's three IO and it gets very daunting and this is where things get off Look, I love talking about this stuff, but it gets a little complicated So why are there two ports and why is that three interfaces on two ports and I won't get too crazy to techie, right? But the idea here is that inside of your computer You got to have a communication between the audio interface Which is essentially what this is acting like when you plug it into another device and on the main channel on USB one rather you have main and chat So in most cases what a lot of our audience is looking for is that conversation between Let's use video gaming for an example, right now for voiceover I like to talk about it a lot in signal flow You can choose two different places to go if you are in fact doing a live stream like we're doing right now Or if you're trying to record in multitrack so that you can have a wet dry Dry and while you're there way well, I mean a common scenario for voiceover is you you are the engineer, right? You're you're recording yourself You're facilitating the communications patch that could be zoom or whatever it is at Google meet whatever the heck They want to use right then you get the dreaded. Hey, will you play back that take? I think that was the one Can you play that back? This can make that super easy right absolutely one of the reasons I liked it so much is that you could do that exactly so with With the two USB's you're literally sending returning twice over to whatever Means you would like and then if you plug in a second USB port that USB to you get secondary engaged as well What a lot of people in that production, especially to that level will do is plug in a second computer and then have that playback Have producer mode any kind of like exact extra send and Return I love a second computer computer for the output to a stream so that one chat and main are kind of being things that I'm Manipulating live like you said a zoom conversation or something like that But if I have a final destination that doesn't get changed much I want that in a secondary place so I use the second for that as well And you have different choices in multi-channel or stereo pre or post and just a lot of signal flow things That could be daunting or scary But the other thing that I'll bring back on is that you can plug it in today and just start recording And or sending and returning on your computer, and it's just as easy as plugging it in Another nice feature if you do use monitor speakers is you know the challenge You know the frustration of having to always make sure that the mic in your studio and the monitors are not feeding each other Or you're not getting that dreaded PA system feedback loop This lets you control that right you can say when my mic is on my speakers are off Exactly. We have the auto mute monitor output function and then to that extent We also have like auto mutant Bluetooth so that if you know, you're not getting a feedback loop either physically through speakers Or send that you don't want to get that feedback loop through and it's not necessarily a You know an auxiliary send or anything like that It's just saying as soon as one of those microphones is sending any form of signal boom mute your speakers Yeah, but I what I really liked about it when I first saw it was having coming out of broadcasting It just reminded me of a broadcasting board, you know that it's got you know You can you have an audition channel and you can mute the mic, you know really easily just buy You know and then you're you're muted. So if you got a coffee, you could you can do that But it's it's just a great unit. I'm really cool. It's really cool that you guys have You know brought out a line of these, you know true for every purpose Yeah, they've iterated, you know and they've iterated because so well because they listen to the users Like this thing this thing was designed the Rocaster Pro 2 was designed by the users right in a way, right? Absolutely you if you were on Facebook or whatever platform you wanted to pick Our Instagram channel was hot, you know where it was just here's a new product or here's a new video about it And then inside of those chats you could see road microphones actually show up So we were there in the conversation all along the way trying to not only just Answer questions about how to do it if you're in the if you're not aware of how to do it but to then take notes on what was Highly sought-after with reason right and that's the other thing as a manufacturer you you you want to appease everybody that you Can't maximize it as much as humanly possible and I think we did an absolute terrific job Like said right from the RCP one where it kind of caught us off guard And then we just ran with it and that never stopped with the two and it's still going to the best of our ability We brought back to TRS Jack a lot of people asking for that. Yeah, they wanted to see it again So you took that opportunity and put it on a product So what else do you have? I mean we'll I might well I guarantee that I'll have some time to shoot some Packages while I'm here. Yeah, what else did you bring along today with BSW? Yeah, the one question that I think a lot of people are asking because George and I have been talking about it for months now since We were in Atlanta for for BO Atlanta, and that's the the NT one-fifth gen which is just an amazing microphone You know at a great price point, and it's just tell us about it And then you can try and explain 32-bit float to our audience because they're all lost First tell us which side of the mic to speak into. Yeah, that's more important too The gold dot are branding you can see it on my t-shirt one underneath my badge and everything But yes, it is a side-address microphone large diaphragm cardioid pattern Condenser microphone if I didn't say that and yes, you're going to talk right into the front side here And road has long since the gold dot Wonderful branding piece for us has been right underneath the capsule So you're going to aim right for that spot right under right above that gold dot and it is cardioid So if you do in fact talk into the other side of it, you're going to be reduced significantly in both frequency response and Gain so that's going to be a problem for you for sure But the fifth generation of this as the name would suggest it is our fifth rendition of the NT one And that does include our NT one anniversary, which is still around and live and kicking But what we did was introduce our dual connectivity So inside the xLR port you have a usb port as well as an xLR port And so the xLR port is just a your traditional analog with the lighting where there's no way we're going to see that usb c Tucked in there. I promise you it's in there. Yeah, great And the usb c is then going to allow us to 100% use this as an audio interface and a digital microphone right into our computer So if you open up a 32 bit float session on your computer in a DAW You can then record this in 32 bit float The simple thing that i'll tell you about 32 bit float is like I said, this becomes your audio interface That your computer is communicating with so it's transforming the microphone audio that analog voltage into a digital signal We do this four times over george. I don't know if you knew that but we have four audio Yeah, this is something I started to grok From the great youtube videos you guys have and then also talking to you Yeah, and most people that have created 32 bit float. They're wonderful devices They are magical and it all comes from that that algorithm that's inside of it that i'll get to in a sec But most people do two audio interfaces inside of there. So we actually did four with this We put the revolution preamps inside of it four times over Taking that into like I said a it's essentially four audio interfaces and we'll record it at four levels So if you take the entire headroom of the microphone, we recorded four levels inside of the entire headroom of it And then in a digital Magicals uh algorithm you can actually recall that in post in your 32 bit session So if you go too loud and you're clipping well the microphone still recorded that properly at a lower gain You just have to go move your window into that lower gain And so it's an unclipable microphone at that point and so do any performances you would like at an average level And then you'll be able to save that if it clips or is too quiet in post But you don't have to make that decision as as the engineer producer The thing that wraps that that took me a while to wrap my head around is you don't have to go Oh, I need to find Like there's there's four signals, right? the The combination of those four the algorithmic combination if you could say that Is happening for you. Yes That's the important part, right? You don't have to go into your DAW Find four essentially tracks of audio Find the right signal one and then Comp them together re-edit them. It just it just happens. It just happens at the output And all you have to do is make a signal correction Do you I mean I've I've been using normalized to do that. Is that what you recommend? I I think normalized is a great place to start And the what I've been pitching to most people in this from an application standpoint, right? Forget about the nerdiness of how it happens because I promise you you could get lost in the math of it all But we don't really care right when in the end we want to know how to use it properly and why to use it And I talk about performance. It just doesn't stop the session So if you record it at Whatever level again, you started an average and then you can go into that session and then fine tune it We met with we also met the guys at hindenburg at that same time at vo Atlanta and they showed me their auto gain function So a normalized is a great way to do it hindenburg has software where it can auto gain it down But you're gonna get to choose. Let's say you don't want it to be even come You don't even want it coming close to that negative point one dbfs right if you want that negative 12 as a max peak You just then normalize it to negative 12 max beat, right? And obviously every daw or plugin that you use to do this will be there But normalize is a great place to start to get it to the Peak that you want and then you'll need to still find your averages later Yeah, now what's what's fascinating about this is road mics have are traditionally and legendarily Very quiet, which is very important in this particular situation Because if you're normalizing a really low signal a lot of times you will get the extra noise that a mic produces But road mics don't seem to do that. Well, how did how was it that you've accomplished such quiet mics? I Unfortunately can't speak on the manufacturing side of it But I was before even an employee of road microphones a fan of that because their nt1a Even their tube microphones the ntk nt1a. I believe was uh five dba south noise or uh Yeah, five and then the nt1 fourth was four five and this one is four So again without the nerdy speak for dba of self noise is Very very very quiet. So every bit of circuitry has some form of inherent noise Again, we we introduced the revolution preamps which are reaching the Theoretic limit of how quiet a preamp can be with any form of circuitry, which it is a circuit You have to have to something So road is always actively going after those two things and as just a customer before being an employee I was looking at the nt1a because of its frequency response curve. It's low signal. It's low noise floor And then of course, it's budget. It's budget friendly price was great But it's it was also relatively good gain. So it had a lot of headroom along with quiet noise floor Which also tends to not be a thing very often. So you You either have a really quiet mic and therefore the outputs a little quieter too or You know condenser microphones. We have a a lot of headroom and it versus a dynamic microphone But when you can maximize that entire return Uh, it just it just screams great for voiceover Especially when you throw it into a digital microphone like you're talking about one that can save it in post You have to have a quiet microphone. You can't do it. Otherwise Yeah, all right. Well, we're we're going to take a break right now and uh, and then we're going to get questions And then we get we have a pile of questions. Can it can ryan stick around for a while? I don't know Do you really want to I have a few minutes? I have a few minutes. I'd love to answer a few All right. All right, we'll see if we can get him to stick around a little longer All right, we'll be right back after these messages. 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Just go to voheroes.com slash go That's voheroes.com slash go and i'll see you for all five lessons And let's see what happens with your vo career Hi, this is bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop. It's great And we are back and uh Ryan whitey's joining us from road. We've got lots and lots of questions here Yes, we do starting starting off with chris dempsey who says i'm new to voiceover and building a home studio Sometimes you don't put the cart before the horse. You gotta be good voiceover before you build the studio Now this is the interesting party says i see a pile of information on how to build a home studio But not seeing anything up showing how to break it in well first off How to build a home voiceover studio talk to somebody who actually knows what that means which is According to from what i can see it's a handful of people on the face of the earth That truly understand what a home voiceover studio is supposed to be It is not supposed to be something with a huge board and and processors and all these different things Although the the road pro caster and pro caster two and duo Probably do a great job with that and probably give you everything you need that every time you walk into a recording studio And you see in the wall in the racks. It's all pretty much Reduced down to something small But the question is how do you break it in by this? I mean what recording should I do first? I suppose recording the room would be a start. What am I looking for? How would you set things up hardware and software? Well, that's a lot of questions george and it goes on I think there's a rodent heat one g5 as you reviewed a few shows ago With a scarlet two i2 third gen audio interface into a windows 10 laptop with audacity I'm really enjoying your show and I feel like i'm getting a lot out of it. Okay. Thanks for that Well, okay. Yeah, you you're asking a mountain of question a mountain of things in one question. So Where you should start is simple um That's why the road ntg nt1. Sorry nt. This is the nt. By the way, if you're wondering, this is the road ntg 5 this is a shotgun microphone It's a great mic, but it's not the first mic I do recommend a voice actor starting with because My technique on a mic like this is a bit more challenging You have to be on target if you move off target. The sound changes dramatically That's why as i'm sitting here, uh interviewing ryan I have to be really careful to Talk over to talk make sound on Axis I didn't know we're making noises Exactly you have to be really on target and on axis with a mic like this because it sounds off it sounds out of focus With a large diaphragm condenser like the nt1 It's going to be much easier to work with because You have a wider pickup pattern, right? If I was to plug this in and I can do this because i'm i'm a stuntman With a mic like this I can move the mic around and I can physically move around the microphone Tremendously without sounding off microphone and this is good and talk to the to the back of it However, if you speak if you don't speak into the gold dot This is what you're gonna get So it's a very strange sound. There's a little low. There's some low end A little bit of high end in a giant hole in the middle Which is where your voice resides. So if you hear this, you know, you're talking to the long side of the mic So first start with the mic pointing the right way Start with the mic at a decent distance I like to start here and if your booth is not great if you're in a closet or something maybe start Here distance wise, okay Now you also have a scarlet you can use them together And it depends on your workflow Sometimes having an interface outside of the mic is nice because you have a physical gain knob However, I am going to do some tutorial videos soon on george the tech that are about recording with this mic plugged in with usb And talking about how 32-bit float will make your life easier because one of the things that you know dan and i deal with all the time Is teaching people how to set their game And it seems like it should be easy conceptually and we talk about it ad nauseam But if you don't learn how to do that first After you learn about mic technique and stuff you're going to get some crappy recording. So We can't get into the depth of it here We're here to tell you about how to get us when you need and when you want to learn into getting to depth with it That's why we're here to introduce you to our services, but we we hope you you know aren't too intimidated With the with voiceover technology You have to keep in mind. There's a lot of people in voiceover who also love the technology I deal with the majority of the folks who don't love the technology who find it intimidating scary And confusing so if you're feeling a little bit more on that direction, you might want to work with the anorak Because we're here to to help you navigate that stuff Absolutely. Yeah, and it's there's a lot to learn There's a lot to learn But you got to be careful when you go on the internet. There's a tremendous amount of misinformation out there You know, you're not doing rap videos. You're doing voiceover. There's a lot of different techniques and stuff like that But you got to learn If you're doing voiceover, you have to really learn the techniques and the proper setup for And there's a lot, you know on the internet, there's on the forums and the groups and the youtube's and now the discord channels and servers There's a lot of one wayism You know because you'll hear one person who's a working actor and they like to kind of share How they do it and so You'll feel like oh if I don't buy what they're using and don't choose what they're using I may not have a chance of getting that great audio So, you know a little investment in some consulting with dan or I Is absolutely going to be worth in the long run. You won't overspend won't buy the wrong stuff And your room will be dialed in and that's what's so important So we we really know whistle dan's coined the phrase whistle. I love it We know what it's supposed to sound like And we will teach you That so that you recognize that in your studio and in your headphones When you record until you know that you're going to be lost in the dark Because you'll never even know Why it doesn't sound the way it's supposed to sound and you won't be able to get there So, we hope that helps a little bit ready. Let's get on to the next question. Yeah patricia Andrea who always has a great question has a really good question She says, where do we learn about terminology like leads loops and things like that? Well, live watching our show probably is one place to start, but what are some other places you can think of? I mean, there are glossaries Um Does rhodo have a terminology glossary on their site? We don't and it's one of the things not not that I can think of right off the top of my head Actually, and it's going to be one of the things that I'll find like on our blog site because we do have a blog site and everything like that as well So, you know, yeah, I always lead people to our youtube channel because it is Verified and it's the information where you're going to get it from road Even if it is some content creator it is verified by us about the truth of what you're seeing and what you're hearing So as far as the glossaries not uh, not a dictionary of road terms. Yeah I I had one on my last website And when we built the new website We have to populate that on the new site and it's just been so time consuming So we do have a glossary of audio terms on george d.tech. It's just rather incomplete for now until we populate the entire thing so One of these days I'll get around to filling it in but if you do go over there Go to the resources page at george d.tech and check out the glossary. There's a start to it It's just not as comprehensive as we'd like it to be Yeah, uh next question from fiber jazz Uh, I heard someone say not to rely on wi-fi to plug direct and to plug directly into the internet Does that mean to unplug my modem and plug my computer into that jack? Sorry just trying to learn this tech stuff Okay. Oh, sure. So you got you got your cat 5 cable here, which is this guy and uh You go into your Depends on what you're using if you have a router you plug it into the router Or if you go or you can go directly into the modem, uh, but it depends on what kind of a modem you have They're gonna have a router. Yeah, yeah, if you've got a router you you just plug it right at you You have a you have a cat 5 jack on your computer or a usb adapter for that And That goes the other end goes into the modem and yeah, I think george I think he's primarily probably talking about source connect And uh that you really do have to have a hard line for that We definitely recommend a hard wire connection for not just source connect, but any Real-time audio or video transmission. I've been I've been flying without a net tonight I'm using the actual convention wi-fi, which is generally considered. It's working. Okay. Absolutely not a good idea But the good thing is i'm one of the only people Probably on the connection right now because it's before the show starts We'll see how it goes in the next couple of days, right? But because i'm there there's very few people here. I have a good wi-fi connection at home If your router is nearby and you're not you don't have a family of seven watching netflix and playing games Your wi-fi will probably be fine But if you're unlucky in your wi-fi router, is it the other corner of your house? Yeah, yeah funny anecdote was that my wife was like, why are you drilling in Why are you drilling holes in our walls? Yeah, and I was literally running the the internet from our Farthest like northeast, you know corner to the southwest corner been upstairs Just to get a wired ethernet Pour it upstairs where my office is and where my home studio is because that's all i'm doing 24 seven That's my job. Yeah, we went the fattest fastest But also the most reliable pipe and that's still going to be a hard wired connection So we recommend it and that's what you got to do. There are some adapters. There's something called a power line ethernet adapter I've hooked them up for a lot of people and the pro of those is you're not wireless You actually are on a wire technically because it's using your household wire However, your household wiring for the internet. However, the speeds usually suffer when you're using those So they're good for consistency and they'll work great for source connect But for just sheer speed uploading downloading files, they're usually nowhere near as fast So there you go. Alrighty lots of great questions. Here's an interesting one because you were talking about this the other day, george It's uh for jonathan grams watching on youtube. He says hi guys An update on the ups rfi from that's the UPS meaning the uninterruptible power power supply not the brown trucks, right? This unit was actually in the next room at my development desk not plugged into the wall running on battery and still emitting rf When it's time to replace the battery toss that thing in the garbage if you have a mic in the same building Thanks for being awesome thoughts on that. Yeah, I I uh Once in a blue moon we find out that the thing making the noise is the thing that we bought to hope that there would be no noise There's a lot of ups out there um The best ones are They'll have power filtration. I mean they might have avr, which is Automatic voltage regulation and the really good ones are what we call online pure sign UPS those are the expensive ones. They're not the ones you're going to get at staples You're going to have to buy these online through a computer retailer But what those do is they actually take the power coming in convert it To dc. I believe is what's happening It's it's so in that process the power is basically being Scrubbed right and then it's converted back to ac Internally in a very clean pure way. So what you end up getting is this purified power and Those are really expensive And I've even found that those units themselves make noise So you buy one you put it in your studio to get rid of noise and the thing's over here with a fan running or it's buzzing So whatever you do try to eliminate the gear with the most complexity because sometimes that's what's causing noise And in your in his case it was the ups anytime anybody texts, uh road gear. I asked them to take it to their Uh, their largest room that's most isolated from anything really and just get it on its own isolated power and and everything You just got to you got to get Kind of get your audio gear away from things if you're having problems you get it away from the fridge Absolutely, and then we can squeeze in one or two more questions. Oh, we got time here for a few more of You get the one from ellen conquer in here All right, right. We're gonna have an impact hammer going. Uh, hey guys I like the hairdos you had on your website pictures last week. Well, thank you Uh, what technology would you suggest for a newbie to replace a laptop with a noisy fan? Without breaking the budget. Well Budget you really need to be specific about budget because there are budget points all over the board Um, I'm always going to be going apple. Just get that right out of the gate I'm going to be recommending an apple And I'm going to be recommending to you Get a macbook air first gen. Uh, it's called the m1 series Um, absolutely fanless You can find them brand new. I think a costco is doing like 750 Yeah, saw it this last weekend 700 something like that 700 hours for a brand new macbook air And if you if you're really resourceful, you might be able to find a refurbished one Maybe save a hundred bucks, but i'm telling you these things. They're only a couple years old the new m the silicon series They're all fanless and because they've only been out a couple of years and their value has held Even a used one is going to be very close to the cost of a new one So if you do get one refurbed make sure it's a place that's going to support it get it directly from apple Look at their refurb store and you can save a little bit. Honestly go that way. It's you can get a microsoft surface Uh tablet or computer if you want to go windows, you're not going to save any money Um, the fanless ones are going to be in that same price 700 800 price point to begin with Um, how about do you know of anything that's really great in the fanless side of windows? I do apologize as well. I'm a windows fan for for other reasons, but i'm a mac fan first and foremost for audio and especially for uh Rigidity, you know in many different reasons. So um, I've always been at variables It's so way less variables and it's just so sturdy But uh, again, there's many ways you can buy it to where it's affordable like that I bought a super computer hp laptop just trying to Do business it wasn't really for audio, but you know i teach audio. That's what i do And so when that fan just started kicking in it was game over and it it was always on I thought it was gonna be fast enough to not have to have the fan every second of the day And it needed the fan every second of the day. So I already had spent the money And still had the fan issues. So yeah, yeah, so be cautious of of those kind of items You'll waste your money on it Well, you also to george are always like talking about getting a used one Uh or a refurbished one because you can get even even cheaper too for lots of things like they're so new That even they used ones. Let's put this way. I just sold a used macbook arm one I bought it like the day they came out I got $800 for So Their resale value is amazing. Yeah, they're like hondas. Yeah, they really hold their value So buying a used one doesn't really save you that much money I think they got a good deal because I got it with an upgraded amount of memory I usually try to go to 16 gigabytes of memory because I do a lot of multitasking. I use google chrome Uh, I use a lot of tabs So I use a lot of memory Um, two more questions. Let's see if we can bang those out Yeah, no, this is this is a great question because I deal with this one all the time From Daniel Russo on youtube. He has a six by six diy booth I have pyramid and line pattern foam tiles Half and half on patterns. Can you mix them pyramid and lines foam? Oh my god different sound results Different sound result if mixed or is it trial and it's error sound I don't think it really makes a big difference You can arrange them any pattern you want orlex or you know, the the the foam is generally designed to absorb and diffuse sound You really got to look at who made these foam tiles. Yeah, some of them are better than others. Yeah, if they don't Yeah, thickness thickness is important if they're one inch thick almost useless Two inch starting to get there Three and four inch now you're getting somewhere that these are really going to be effective But you got to look at what makes them because foam isn't foam isn't foam There's many types of foam and some foam is almost completely useless other actually works make sure that whoever you're getting from has nrc rating information Along with that foam and make sure it's actually going to be a thing Yeah, don't don't get obsessive about the patterns because You know, it's I like to say no one needs to see how the sausage is made or where it's made Yeah, just make it look cool. Okay. If you got to be on camera make it look cool. Otherwise, it doesn't really that doesn't really matter All right. Last one is it on point is on brand From for road. So we got the man here to answer this question This is from our very own Jeff Holman. It manages our our chat room. Oh wonderful He's the guy stuck his head up at the beginning said tectile uh The road into 1 5th gen. Oh only uses utilizes 32 bit float through the usb connection, right? Um, is that usb from the mic? Does that go to the interface or does that usb go straight into the computer and lastly Can I get it to go through the interface so I can use the way my personas Use the way it with with my personas audio interface. So can you demystify that in 30 seconds? Jeff that's a wonderful question We get it every single time we have this conversation dual connect is two choices They are not one or the other doing the 32 bit float. So xlr is xlr is xlr So if you run the xlr, you would go to your interface Then your interface that it's plugging into say your personas would need to do 32 bit float because the michael doesn't There you go happen to know that yep the usb c is an audio interface It turns this microphone if you will into an audio interface So therefore the personas or the other interface that you might plug it into is no longer relevant in that conversation And that is when you would do 32 bit float because this audio interface can do 32 bits I know it's a little again. I'm going to be I promise. I'm going to do a very demystifying video showing workflows of how to use 32 bit float effectively in your studio, but We'll get to that. Yeah So all right. Well, hey ryan. Thanks for joining us tonight. You know, thank you for having around for it's been great I look forward to our next couple days. Yeah, me too. Yeah, gotta love this thing This is the best arm I have ever used. Yes. Yeah the psa one. It's a well built. We have 13 11 of them over here on our base All righty Okay, well, we're gonna take quick break and we're gonna wrap things up right after this So don't go away. We'll be right back on voiceover body shop Hi, this is bill farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop. 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