 Hey everyone, welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast. This is episode three of our new season Yeah, how's it going to my left your guys is right We have in the foreground here. Mr. Eric more our co-host. Oh, and then directly dead center on our fancy Dancy old-school really old-school LCD TV We got mr. H of K bouncing his head back there Is this is this where I talk I mean, it's up to you What's up guys? I'm HMK and I'm glad to be back on the new rejuvenate Nintendo Prime podcast and yeah I'm glad to be here. I'm ready to get into the noise, you know, you saw the set. What are you thinking? Yeah, you like this set. Oh, man. I love it, bro And when I saw when he invited me to the call and the said just went up like whoosh on my bro That is nice. I love it. Yeah, it was a lot of planning for me to like get it working We used to have like lights behind the TV, but then like that wasn't working on camera and like, you know what? This looks fly as hell, so I'm gonna go with it nice All right, so guys we're gonna be talking a lot about switch pro It's kind of the theme of this episode. I realize there's been like nothing but switch pro videos on my channel Like every day so I get it I'm gonna try to shut up a lot besides providing context because I have said a lot about switch pro over the last week We also might dive a little bit into the Microsoft Bethesda acquisition No, that's finalized as some stuff that Phil Spencer said about it, which should have been all too obvious And yeah, that's that's pretty much the theme of it. We'll see if we Rattle off and other topics as it goes So let's just start with I Guess the thing that really got the ball rolling over the last week Which is probably that report from Bloomberg by Machizuki Takahashi he is he used to work at Wall Street Journal now. We worked at Bloomberg He has factual sources inside the manufacturing lines. I think he actually works out of Japan he Provided some information just like he did back for the switch light and he's actually been teasing switch pro Screen info specifically for a couple years now That Nintendo's we're trying to get some stuff in there like Nintendo technically had a contract with intellect displays Apparently they didn't go in that direction because they're according to him now. They're going with Samsung now. They did Technically we know this you could actually look this up Nintendo did open a new manufacturing line at a Samsung factory. So that you know Didn't know if it meant anything at the time because obviously they were struggling In China to get switches made during the pandemic. So okay, they're just doing more production outside of China You know should you really read much into it? Well, it turns out that according to Machizuki They have a contract in place with Samsung to produce new screens for a new switch The screens will be 720p still which I know some people aren't too happy about that But they're going to be OLED displays rigid OLED to be exact To explain the difference there. There's flexible OLED. That's what a lot of phones use when they use OLED a lot of TVs Use it as well. It's a lot more conformative and easy to shape easy to produce but also more expensive Rigid displays are you know, they're rigid. They're hard. You can crack them But they're just as good as the flexible displays in terms of the color accuracy the contrast the you know The knits and all that jazz So there's not really any downside to it other than technically you could break it in half But if you're breaking your switch in half, I think you have other problems So That being said They're using rigid displays apparently just because Samsung has a bunch of them laying around because people moved on to the different The flexible display technology. So probably got it as a cheap contract according to him He said it will have a seven inch display. So if you look at kind of like the switch We got here on the desk. It's like eliminating the bezel on the switch is roughly what the seven inches would be and then you They're going to what was it they're going to have 4k output. I think he said something like that when it's docked Which there's been a lot of rumors about 4k and DLSS with the switch pro from multiple sources So that's something that he confirmed again. We'll have 4k output When docked and then yeah, it's supposedly coming this year according to his sources the plan right now is to release it this year So let's just start there because that's where everything kind of snowballs from there all the other information from other sources began really With Bloomberg blowing the top off this and of course when did they do it? But on the fourth anniversary of Nintendo switch. It's like it's like they've been sitting on it waiting for that anniversary to drop the info Probably it had to be intentional for sure So what do you guys saw it's just on that aspect before we get into some other stuff that's come out since then like, okay You know OLED but only 720 but it's a bigger screen and 4k what the hell? So let me get let me get things started off the bat, you know, I've seen a lot of people complain about the OLED Screen, you know only 720p. So I have to repeat in my hands and stuff and I'm like, you know Considering that I've seen a lot of reports about how, you know, you're supposed to use the switch in handheld mode and stuff I don't really think that's big of a deal because I mean, of course people want to off the bat They want, you know, bigger better, you know, why can't it be 1080p? Why can't it be beyond this, you know in the palm of your hands? There's other, you know, like phones tablets are able to achieve 1080p in your hands And then at the point, you know, the point of contention is that, you know Do you really need 1080p in your hands in my opinion? I don't really think you do especially if you're holding your switch as you're supposed to be holding like pro at arms length and stuff You know, the human eye can only process the amount of pixels needed For it to look nice in the palm of your hands and the fact that it's going from I'm pretty sure it's like 6.6 inches to 7 inches For the switch and then this supposedly revision. It's five and a half. Yeah, it's five and a half for switch light I think it's like 6.1 6.2. I think right now I know it's something like that It does look bigger like I said you get rid of the bezel that's basically the size of the screen if you measure it measure diagonally So, you know, all this because there's gonna be a leap from what we know the switch currently in when you're not using a light, you know But you know Using it in the palm of your hand 720p I still think it's not some sort of deal breaker or something that you should look at is like, oh, they're doing the same thing again But just a bigger screen. It's not gonna look as well, you know, like literally this 720p is in the palm of your hand You know, we used to have seven like 720p TVs that were you know about like, you know I'm 24 25 inches and stuff and then we jump from 1080p Then we tried to do jump to 3d and then we did the jump to 4k eventually and then spinning off that point, you know With with the switch pro. I don't want to call her a pro. This is like revision. Maybe it's gonna be called a pro Whatever it going into 4k being docked Is not something that I feel that people should really think it's like, you know They there's two lines of thinking that I've seen very common in the internet where it's like, oh this Switch putting out 4k is gonna look amazing and it's the next step and then tell always had to do this step You know in order to compete with you know, the ps4 pro or the ps5 Xbox one Xbox series X Xbox One X whatever and that was the necessary leap in order for them to compete with those type of consoles And then there are people that are saying that like oh the switch like console being able to you know produce 4k On a screen, you know, that seems out of like out of the question I don't think it's possible and those two lines of think I think is like born from the notion that people really think that if the switch is going to be capable of 4k in docked mode They're gonna see some sort of insane leap in Graphical capability of what these games are gonna be crafted as from developers and I also don't think that I feel like you know Just because you hear 4k 4k is a huge buzzword these days is that you know Oh, it must be like oh I could have to see all the pores on link skin Or I see all the hairs coming out of Mario's forearm or whatever. I don't think that I just think you know We're gonna get a smoother more powerful experience from these games that we've seen You know clock at around 900p like Breath of the Wild and that's that struggle at you know 30 frames per second Especially when you go to areas like the cork forest We're gonna have a switch that's capable of like probably maybe Running that as 60 frames and it's moving out retro actively these games to fork to you know upscaling them to 4k Like smoothness or quality or whatever you want to call it and I feel that you know A lot of people are just getting it way out of context of what they expect this Console is going to like in 4k at least is going to be able to produce. I think it's gonna be a leap I think it's gonna be the next step of what Nintendo wants the switch to be but I think people are just really you know Like thinking that stuff is gonna be huge When it's gonna be big and people are gonna think it's huge I think it's gonna be big but people think it's gonna be huge and I don't think it's gonna be huge And that's my take on the whole screen and 4k nonsense Yeah, so I think a realistic expletive like the 720p screen to me You have to remember folks that most games triple a wise Nintendo or third party Not indie but triple a wise don't actually run at 720p on The switch right now in handheld they run at 540p 360p. We've seen some go as low as 240p So being able to just have the power inside to hit a native 720 is already gonna look better than the current switch Without the resolution bump because what's more important is hitting the native resolution If you increase that native resolution to 1080p, you're asking the switch to do more in handheld Which I think is probably unrealistic for battery life alone Remember this is a gaming machine if you ever take like a bigger game on your phone Okay, and you are playing say fortnight or or pub G I guess since fortnight's like haven't issues on phones right now with lawsuits and stuff But say like you're playing pub G or Call of Duty mobile or whatever on your phone If you play it for like an hour your phone dies Okay, they don't want switch to die after an hour being used in handheld So right they have a lot of considerations to consider a power draw not just power draw of having a power at 1080p screen but then having to Possibly increase the clock speeds on the whatever chip they end up using To hit native 1080p in the games or we're just gonna be stuck in the same situation We are now where nothing runs at the native screen setting and it looks bad again I think it's more important. We hit native 720p then worry about running lower Resolutions on a higher resolution screen. So there's that part for 4k I mean, it's all about DLSS to me if those rumors on DLSS are true There's separate RT cores you add to the chip that upscales for you Now Eric, what are your thoughts on like the 720p panel or any of this stuff? Um, I mean it'd be nice to have quote-unquote 4k But like you said if the game's not gonna take advantage of it What's the I mean? That's just gonna cost more to put that in there If nobody's gonna take part in it, what's the point? You know and you got to have the power like you said you got to have the power to do it. It's You know, it's it's I have a feeling that it's gonna be more pricey to go that route then maybe even a 1080p 720p route and You know have the power to push all games to that that native Screen resolution Well, so when people look at what what the switch row can be I think a good a good example look at it's a new 3ds The new 3ds, I know people think it was a minor upgrade it like Double or triple the CPU power of the original 3ds it added significantly more RAM It didn't touch the GPU But what we saw were games like it I'm sure HFK probably reminds like Hyrule Warriors legends on 3ds ran at almost Man, don't even remind me like a new 3ds Like it actually technically ran at a better frame rate than the Wii U original release Crazy, I don't know how well how that happened because the Wii U is more powerful, but it just did Probably because it runs at a much lower resolution, of course and then the og 3ds version of it I mean single digit frames a bit I don't even know why they bothered with it and when they'd ended up doing the was that the They had another warriors game called fire on the warriors or something our memoirs Yeah, yeah, they had that come out of 3d. They didn't even release it on the og 3ds After how shit Hyrule Warriors legends ran Like I dare you guys to try and run that game on the og 3s Man, I swear it up when I tried it the first time I felt smoke coming out of it man Like yeah, this ain't it so we have to look at realistic for me with switch pro And you just talk about the Bloomberg and even when you bring in some of the other information We're gonna bring in here in a bit Is This where you don't look at this to be like a next-gen experience. We have heard from people like Imran Khan who Ironically he used to actually work under me at seldom for him But then he somehow became a big wig writer good for him a game informer and some and kataku and some other outlets And so he's got he's got some insider sources and he's been like hey look like people are expecting this to be You know a PlayStation 4 pro it's not going to be that but if you expect resolution and frame rate bumps That's what you should be looking for and that's important because as you said breath of the wild 60 FPS. That's huge Like oh definitely, right? That's huge being able to run breath of the wild at a higher resolution and also hit 60 FPS It doesn't have to have a big graphical bump It just look at breath of the wild running, you know at 4k 60 on PC without any other Graphical changes it looks phenomenal and it plays so smooth Like that's what you need to look at Hit the current games that are on switch today Actually run them at the native resolutions the system's capable of but then bump the frame rate up Like that's what we're talking about now are some third-party games not going to do that like say they decide They're finally gonna bring a call of duty over are they gonna say screw it? We're chopping at the 30 FPS so we can have prettier visuals. Yeah, that could be a choice They make but that's not so that's not to say that there is going to be a massive Power boost that's gonna make you feel like oh this game looks so significantly better than it did on the old switch It does from a frame rate perspective It does from a resolution perspective and I think that is a massive deal because the current switch shows its age You know, we just got apex legends out on it Runs fine. It runs what you expect. It's that it's pretty much a lock 30 FPS It stays at it pretty consistently and yeah, it's blurry. That's Typical but it doesn't run anywhere close to native resolution So imagine the apex legends on switch bro can run at 60 FPS and native resolution. Is that not a big deal? Right, that's an extremely huge deal You know because I feel that the point is being missed again once only because of the buzzword of you know 4k And that's one question. I want to post to you guys after I get through my thought Is that you know for me like everything you're saying is like that's what matters most to me as a gamer You know people say 4k resolution 4k this 4k down like bro If I can get breathful a while like even if it doesn't reach 1080p, even if it sticks at 90 at 900p, you know if it runs at 60 frames, that's a win for me That's that's gigantic for me because I mean like, you know a lot of games on the switch You know with the whole with the entirety of Nintendo's bag is stuff You know, they don't really what they don't focus on the whole for risk for realistic graphical type Yeah, deal they opt for more associated more, you know unique quirky type of game styles and art styles and stuff that really Become timeless like over time such as Breath of the Wild if you look back Wind Waker Especially how good Wind Waker HD looked on the Wii U When they opt from those styles that are truly timeless and then seeing those styles like run Better and stuff like I really don't need to see every follicle on the Winx forehead You know like everyone's like oh, yeah 4k photo realistic is you know is the wave, you know that thing gets That shit gets the outdated like it's super fast because of this like stupid ass arms race that all these other developers are trying to do In order to make their console Like you know achieve the greater graphics and stuff like bro If you make a beautiful game out like outside of the need to create something that looks just like in real life I mean I'm escaping real life You know what to play games, you know, so I don't really need to see that kind of noise If you're gonna achieve that in like a huge graphical step up that caps at 1080 but has 60 frames per second locked in Then I'm a happy camper and you know, that's the question I want to post to you guys is that do you feel that you know like with this a parent, you know Oh, it's gonna achieve 4k, but is it so do you think that they're just you know Attaching this or are going to a chat attach this word to the pro in order to drive sales for those people are like Oh, yeah, okay, haha the best and whatnot and then you know add to the day You know probably like a handful of games by the time of the switches for many years of lifespan. They're only gonna have like, you know This many of 4k Games that are gonna be you know kind of on the one hand. What do you guys think about that? Well, okay, so my thought is because since there's been so many other people saying that hey, this thing's gonna have DLSS My thing is we have a new president. Okay, we don't we don't have a water anymore We don't have Kimashima, you know rest in peace of water great guy, but we have furikawa who's Recently came out said dude every year's a do or die We want to avoid the cliff that Nintendo keeps falling off of every single time We have a major success we hit a point we crash and then we have to come up with something new and pray to God that it Works again He doesn't want to go down that cycle that he's seen happen and he's like 20 something years at Nintendo Because people forget furikawa has been with Nintendo a long time He's just been on the business side where he's seen the finances He's seen what happens when Nintendo crashes and he's like that's just not like a long-term plan for success Even though it's work to this point what happens if you have multiple we you'd like failures in a row That's not that's not gonna fly you know like yeah, they're fine. They have the money in the bank It's not like they're gonna go to business, but it's like they might go to the console business and so they want to he's looking at it That's okay if I look at every year is we need to kill it every single year And yes, I know people can argue the game release last year so it didn't kill it it killed it at the sales charts That's all Nintendo cares about So you can say they relied on ports and animal cross that's fine, but they killed it on the sales charts So yeah, they that's a that's a win for furikawa. He doesn't care how they did it. He cares that they did it Yep, so You look at it from that new perspective Nintendo at the time when they came up with the Nintendo Wii HD TVs were Starting to become a thing, but they weren't in every home, right? so their idea was let's release a budget console that doesn't target HD that we could release it cheaper than the competition and You know do the the unique motion controls and they kind of bet on the fact that people aren't gonna care about HD right away And they didn't and the we flew off shelves It got to a point where HD started mattering more and then we started seeing ps3 and xbox 360 sell more and more and more as People got as HD TV rates became normalized And I think one thing to consider why Nintendo would even Mention the words 4k if they even mention it it might just have it and they might not even talk about it But if they mention it it has to be because you can't go to a local store and Buy a 1080p TV at anything. That's over 24 inches It's all 4k everywhere for like 200 bucks You can get a 32 inch 4k TV for $200 right now at Walmart. I literally saw it the other day You can walk in and buy it right now. So Nintendo Probably recognizes that right now anytime someone buys a new TV. It's 4k It's just going to be whether it's a really really nice 4k, you know Like I think to get the best of the best out of the PlayStation 5 and Xbox series X You have to spend like 3,000 bucks to get like everything the 120 FPS the perfect HDR the perfect Variable refresh rate and all that like it's really expensive to really take full advantage of those systems But most people will take advantage of just the pure 4k 60 ability because even the cheap TVs have that So to me and the only reason that's in my mention is hey look if they go with DLSS DLSS doesn't affect the actual GPU that's producing the graphics All it basically is is separate cores that are added to the chip and anything that is Not not take our X1 level but anything. That's God not ampere ampere is our latest gen whatever the gen was before that's what the 2000 series cards on computers So those those two gens I keep forgetting deal There's DLSS 1.0 all the way up to 1.9 and then DLSS 2.0 Whatever they whichever they go with if they go with any of that stuff and it has DLSS It doesn't affect the graphical capabilities of the GPU Well, all it does is upscale an upscale in a way. That's wonderful You guys want examples go on YouTube right now look up 1080p even 720p if you want DLSS upscale for control To 4k and just look at that versus raw 4k and tell me that your naked eye can really see much of a difference You probably can't that's the whole point of DLSS It it makes it so if Nintendo's paying attention and this is a different president that might be like hey look Maybe our issue with we is we were way too slow to get into the HD TVs once they became out, maybe we should have did a we HD if I was in if he was in control Instead of waiting and doing the Wii U So maybe he's like look if we can get a switch out there that has the ability to cleanly upscale We're still outputting no more than 1080p. That's still our target in dock mode is 1080p native But if we have DLSS that can make it look good on a 4k TV That's all he cares about make it look good on a 4k TV. It doesn't need to be native 4k Like the other consoles are trying to hit. This is not a PlayStation 5. They're not pretending. It's a PlayStation 5 But they want to take Mario Odyssey and make it look crisp on your 4k TV Without needing the necessarily the power to do it natively That's what I think Nintendo's possibly looking at here And we got to remember they are partnered with Nvidia the company that pioneered this technology now This technology is coming to the AMD side as well and a PlayStation 5 and series X And it'll be interesting to see how it works on that end but Nvidia has been messing with this stuff for five years so That I think is more the spin. It's not so much Nintendo trying to say come get your 4k game in here It's more like dude if you happen to hook this up to a 4k TV Hey, it'll work. It don't look blurry on your 65 inch 4k anymore. We took care of it No, that's their goal like it's not to make you have all these impressive visuals It's I do breath of the wild already looks gorgeous now. Imagine. It's not blurry on your 65 inch 4k TV Okay, then that's a big deal and I think that's what they're going for is just a more so not for the high-end TVs But since all the low-ends 4k as well We just wanted to look good on 4k without having to have the power to do native And I think that's what we're looking at here now Eric. I'm very curious on your thoughts You know, I don't know if you even mess with 4k TVs at your house or anything like that So you you did have a really nice TV at one point, but that was a while ago probably Wasn't 4k lasted by lightning. I'm yeah, yeah, so my nice plasma TV that sucks in and guys remember plasma Yeah, that when that was a big day. Yeah, you have one of those really nice plasmas beautiful Yeah, that was I remember watching sports on that thing. I was like do this thing Is the shit there is absolutely No motion drag on that thing anywhere. Well now there's nothing on it anywhere. Well, yes now There's nothing on it anywhere, but So like what are your thoughts on this? I do you think Nintendo is actually going to do something nice to make it run at 4k But like still it's not really adding power to the system to do it, right in dock mode I would expect something done handheld, you know, I'm purse personally myself I'm okay with the screen the way it is now I mean It doesn't bother me that it's in it still looks beautiful to me. Yeah, I think the only thing's the bezel Well, right the bezel is something that makes it that's been something that we've said from the very beginning It's like man. This is a really big bezel even for 2017, right? But like whatever it's fine for now But when we get to 2020 2021 is it really gonna seem fine, right? People don't really complain, but they do bring it up like it feels like a lot of wasted real estate Yeah, well for sure. No, no for sure, which apparently they're taking care of and so, you know have 4k in Handheld, whatever who cares about that the 4k in handheld is not gonna happen. No, no for sure so but even then so let's I got a question for you if They weren't able to hit the 4k upscale and But yet, you know how breath of the wild sometimes has those frame rate drops. Yeah, so is that gonna be more? Clearly visible then because we're upscaled the 4k So sometimes that depends on your TV. No, I'm talking just handheld if yeah, oh and handheld Well, handheld won't matter. They won't even use DLS in handheld. Okay, they'll notice have that turned off and save battery life There's no, I'm saying if they were to do somehow upscaled the 4k in I know they're not but if they were well one thing So what so we talked a lot about DLSS and like how it affects resolution what people don't often realize is It's not just how it affects resolution. Go look at the frame rate of games when DLSS turn on the frame rate goes up as well Okay, I'm I'm not sure why the frame rate goes up or say it just does so right that is also something that you know To consider that any game that has an unlocked frame rate also is just gonna run naturally better without even My biggest concern would be you get up to 4k and then you also start seeing some frame rate drops Are you gonna see that more clearly? Because it's for well, I mean for us a frame rate drops to me. It's more of a feel thing when you're playing So like sometimes it's jarring like if it drops a single frames like there's times like in Kokiri forest Especially when it launched on switch like oh man. It hit some single single digits that were pretty rough They have they have patched it since then and it's not as bad today, but you still can feel it's kind of chugging in there You know same thing Kakariko village it could chug in there sometimes a little bit, too It's all that's a lot better now. They have patched it It was it was interesting like when it released and it ran better and we you but then you got to remember It was made for that system right, you know, but yeah, I think I Think that that just comes down to feel Yeah, more so than mortal so unless it hits that single digits That's when it doesn't matter what resolution you're at you're gonna feel that right right I mean, I felt that on handheld on switch I'm not to go try right now and see how it looks now Handheld because I haven't played this game in hand holding the longest. Yeah, I know Because they did do some updates to it. So it is a little smoother, but it's not it's still not perfect Yeah, last time I play anyways, I well I have a new safe Island Breath of the Wilds on my back to Kokiri forest Yeah, but yeah No, so to kind of wrap things up on my end, you know, I don't really care if handheld goes You know super big which I know they're not again. They said, you know, according to this anyways 720p so I don't really care about that. I mean Would it be nice to make it look? Grand on your on your 4k TV. Absolutely. I mean, I I think but I'm pretty sure my new new TV is 4k So if it's a new TV, I mean, I got a bigger than 24 inches. Yeah, it's 55. No, but it's probably 4k They don't really make them at right so that anyone would it be nice to have You know what once you get up to that size, it's nice to not have the the blur or the blur. Yeah Now what I think is gonna be interesting here is one thing that's just infamous on Nintendo platforms is anti-aliasing Nintendo just doesn't do it And what's interesting is the crisper the image looks the more the anti anti-aliasing actually stands out where you can see Jaggy edges One thing I mean, I don't think this is magically gonna happen, but it would be cool to see maybe hey Nintendo decides to use anti-aliasing now It would just be kind of nice There are there are ways you can handle it externally if you buy like the M classic cable That basically and like adds like a pseudo anti-aliasing to everything to smooth it out a bit But it'd be nice to see if with the increased power if there's room I'd rather have 60 FPS and a native resolution more than anti-aliasing, but if there's some headroom There's some anti-aliasing on some of these games, but I mean HMK said earlier what one thing that's great about Nintendo is the art direction they take with their games doesn't inherently need Like all the power in the world. I mean, yeah, they could do more with it But like Breath of the Wild still to this day holds up. Oh, yeah Because the art direction they went with And you look at even recently like they did the Bowser's Fury Looks fantastic. Mm-hmm that it does, you know, you even like to look at some old games They brought back a Mario Galaxy put that in HD. Look how good that looks. That was a Wii game Even Mario Sunshine before even Mario Sunshine Like I don't know Mario's I look kind of rough. It has some rough spot. It does but like Responsible like Gigantic rough patches bro like now Galaxy definitely will get out galaxy galaxy always looked better anyway That's where you can all agree on but yeah shine. I don't know like after seeing that in HD I was able to see like yo this game kind of Oh, I mean compared to Mario 64 then come say it's ugly Well, look this is like Mario 64 was on the 64 you take a game like win raker Which was also also on the game cube and not even in HD But you're upscale that and like emulators and stuff workers My it's so what yeah, it's a cel-shaded style too Which that just that that goes they go look at killer seven back in the day and the sunshine look to me Is that they took the models like from Mario Party 3 cleaned up a little bit and just made it like made a game out of it bro that Galaxy though Galaxy though is the that that looked too good I'm like bro This is a Wii game and I'm seeing on the switch was just I don't know the fact that it was like locked in 60 frames Well, I mean most more like all 3D Mario games aside from sunshine ha ha Was they clocking at 60 frames for seeing that on like 1080 60 frames like in this purest majesty is like bro This is like testament to like Nintendo's idea of having these graphical styles like look that's a Wii game And it looks amazing as on switch years later So yeah, I mean technically I think even like with Skyward Sword HD looks really good The only the only knock I will give is because the rest of the while that all that grass That looks so gorgeous to not have that in Skyward Sword HD It's like okay I could tell this is an older game now because they set a new standard for what I expect foilage should look like in a Zelda game so you go back to that like flat textures I mean, yeah, no problem with Skyward Sword as much as I love Skyward Sword I thought it looked amazing on the Wii I looked I thought it looked amazing on the Wii and I just wish they just Messed around a little bit more with the bloom and lighting effects in Skyward Sword because I like okay I understand 60. It's like the first 60 FPS Exactly. That's impressive for a Zelda for a Zelda 3D 3ds. Oh, yeah That you know, that's not being you know messed around with emulators or like whatnot. That's impressive But I mean I still wish they would add some sort of like bloom or extra type of lighting That would just make it pop a little bit more more something more in the long lines of what we saw in MoMaker HD But well, yeah, we make her HD had a lot more work put into it for sure That was me they even read it even read it some of the models They added a first-person mode that most people didn't even realize was there like they did a lot in that game But that was also the thing about when maker HD because they didn't do that with Twilight Princess HD They had a separate ever what they did with Twilight Princess HD Which I feel that's the only reason why I give Twilight Princess HD a pass is that while you know They messed around with the the models and the blue effects of when we're gonna HD in Twilight Princess HD They messed around a lot with the textures and I appreciate that because those textures went from a to like Like Zee bro, like they they put a lot of work into like redoing the textures. I'm like, okay I appreciate that a lot of people sandbag Twilight Princess HD because of like, you know, the you know The lack of bloom effects But I'm not like bro if you were to put like the walls and the floor and the details that you see in Twilight Princess Against what you see in the Wii from the Wii U version. There is a mess what hurts Twilight Princess HD And this is through no fault of tantalists who did the port Because yeah, cuz like yes, they did a lot of texture work But to be fair fans have been doing re textures of Twilight Princess in emulators for years So it's not something like we haven't seen before like if a fan can do it, of course, you know an actual development studio Okay, you know that that's one reason why some people weren't as impressed like oh dude It'll be seen better texture packs and emulators But what a really didn't do it any service is remember the Wii U tech demo for Zelda Yeah, you just have to hurt me again man. I'm just saying that like people saw that we were clearly an evolution Clearly an evolution of the Twilight Princess style and then oh Twilight Princess HD, maybe they're gonna no That's what they wanted because it was that tech demo and that stupid ass GameStop rendered that they told that man Like you know what render I'm talking about. Oh, yeah the signs and stuff. I'm like And yeah So like That that was one problem I think is that people like how could the Wii U tech demo look better than the H It's like well because that's a completely different engine and it's just a tech demo and yes All of us Zelda fans would love Twilight Princess remade like that But it didn't happen and the only reason the Wind Waker got as big of an update as it did is because it was done by the actual Zelda team not a third-party studio, so not Grezzo not tantalists and They want they were experimenting because they had never done HD development as a Zelda team before and they wanted to Try out a bunch of different techniques that they would later apply to Breath of the Wild So there was a lot more experimentation done with the game to make it look that way like they didn't have to replace character models You just said like the Wind Waker just Uprezzed from Gamecube looks good like they don't need to put that much work in but they did Because they wanted to mess around with things to help teach the development team better techniques for Breath of the Wild Which obviously turned out pretty well because not only does the Wind Waker HD look fantastic obviously Breath of the Wild does too so That's one thing though that like that's like the one game the actual Zelda development team did like all The other remakes and remasters like Link's Awakening. That was Grezzo Majora's math 3d. Our crew time 3d. That was Grezzo You know it's why the princess HG is tantalist scoured sword HG probably tantalist again doesn't look like it's something that was a really high effort Right, you know, we know the Zelda team's doing Breath of the Wild 2 that's already been announced So I dealt they paused Breath of the Wild 2 to be like oh, yeah, let's work on scoured sword HG It's like no we could just hire somebody else to do that Heck Grezzo maybe even did it for all we know you know I mean man Grezzo ported me Topia over from 3ds So But yeah, like I just think that the expectations for switch pro You can keep them in check and still be excited like this is not gonna be net Like people that want them to go all out and have this be ps4 level ps4 pro level like yeah, could they technically do that? Sure, the technology does exist But in an affordable package with a battery life and handheld that can actually last a decent amount You know at least three hours because they're not gonna want to go lower than what the current switch does I don't think that really exists out there for them in that form now You could talk about your phones and all that None of us are sitting there. I mean, I'm not I came on my phone but Dude, I watched like Netflix on my phone and it dies in like an hour and a half So we use gotta plug it in to start to recharge it and that's an iPhone 12 So it's like a newer one. So like that the battery drain on phones is horror horrendous Everyone knows it like it's one of the things that makes us replace our phone sometimes more often is Well, you know, you get a year in your battery doesn't say charge for more than half a day and you're not So like So that's what happens and like they don't want to happen to switch They don't want you to get like a year into owning a switch pro and suddenly the battery life is shit You're only getting a half hour on the go like that's not a good look for them So they are going to stick with like a 10 watt profile. They're gonna stick with I don't I mean doctor. Oh, they could they could unlock that further that kind of depends on do they stick with the same cooling solution? I Would like to see them decide to go with vapor chamber like phones and the Xbox does Because then they could really push it to like 25 30 watts and dock more that they want, but I Think that's obviously wishful thinking because it costs a little more and Nintendo is gonna make this thing probably Probably be 299 and I say this because a new report is out from Game Reactor in Europe That Nvidia is apparently gonna stop making the Tegra x1 chip that's currently in switch at some point this year. It's going out of production Now I don't know if this is true, of course It's just game reactor and their sources they were trying to vet the information from Bloomberg with their own sources It turns out their sources are backing up Bloomberg and then also say oh by the way Nvidia's internally they're planning to stop making the Tegra x1 chip set entirely at some point this year. They're just done making it So not specifically the marico version the whole line. They're just done with Tegra x1 now That's interesting obviously because really the only system You're the only any electronic selling right now that uses Tegra x1 to switch and it's selling by the millions So it feels weird to just be like oh, we're gonna be done making it Unless Nintendo unless they're just don't make it because Nintendo says hey We're gonna actually like replace the switch with the switch pro and just slide it in there at 299 Like they did with the version 2 switch and phased out the version 1 switch like we're gonna slide this thing in at the same price point We'll talk about it. Of course. We'll advertise it. So if current switch owners want to upgrade fine, but We're just not gonna sell the old switch anymore, which the curious thing there is what happens with the light Since that's the cheaper system That the switch pro doesn't really do anything about because it's not unless they have a light version 2 I have no idea They could come up with an I upgraded light version 2. I Don't know well. What's also interesting is if you look at sales of light I think Nintendo thought light was gonna be huge in Japan. Mm-hmm. I literally think they would though Oh, yeah, Japan loves handheld only game and lights gonna be huge $200 We're right the only time the light sold well in Japan is after the switch sold out during the pandemic and Then they sold a shitload of lights because that's all that was available Yeah, once the other switch came back in stock that's now back to leading in sales in Japan So it's almost like people don't really want the light unless there's no other option Well, right right because I mean the switch could do both right exactly It's almost as if yeah, they like their handheld gaming But they kind of like having that option that they can put it on tv Even if they're not going to take advantage of that option very often it's still like right, but it's an option So why wouldn't I want that option and it's a bigger screen? Why wouldn't I want the bigger screen again to me the the switch light kind of feels more like a Switch for like kids plus plus joy cons like a like a 2ds. Yeah, right, right I hate I hate pigeon-holing it like that, but that's what it kind of feels like is It's more of a introductory switch. Well, if you think about it the wedge 2ds Like what a weird design a kid that it was super Man, I saw that I like bro that thing looks so Yeah, I do yeah, but I mean we got the ocarina of time one for my son And Okay, I got the box sitting over there and like dude that thing went out of production quick that thing just tanked in the market But then they came out with with the 2ds excel and that ended up doing pretty decent for people who We just don't care about 3d, but we want the same form factor Right. Yeah, so why not pay a little bit less for the same form factor and the same power as a new 3ds excel Right, you know, but you think about it Even with the new 3ds they had the new 3ds and the new 3ds excel They stopped making the new 3ds like that because people wanted the bigger screen version Even though they had the the swappable face plates, which I think was a really neat idea Unfortunately for nintendo, which they probably thought it was going to make a lot of money with those swappable face plates Even in japan people wanted the bigger screen version and that's what we're seeing with the switch is like I don't I don't think when the if this tag or x1 stuff is true and they're done making it at some point this year I'm sure they'll bank up enough to maybe get through the holiday Um, but you know heading into 2022. I don't see like restocks of the switch light coming I think they might just say hey look People aren't buying this thing anyways unless it's the last resort like if you I know we're in a pandemic But if you happen to be at a Walmart or you happen to be at a best buy and you go to the switch section Well, you'll find switch lights because no one's buying them Everyone's waiting for the actual switch to come back in stock Like it's just you won't find that storage. Um switch light though. Well, no, no, I mean special edition. That's obviously That's a little bit of a different story, you know special editions are or whatever And if anything that's going to make like those special edition like switch lights be like super valuable Um, because there's not as many switch lights out there So I think that that might be like do you guys think like one? Do you think they're actually going to be done making tag or x1s and two if they are like are we done with switch light like is Nintendo just going to toss it in the garbage and say hey, you know, we tried it didn't work out the way we thought moving on My take is that, you know, I like I think Nintendo kind of prides themselves With like having options on top of options because I mean the switch itself as a console is like, you know It has many options They also want options for like you said, you know, like an introductory level switch something that kids Want to have when the kids won't be able to break it would not you know, especially with the whole joy con trip situation imagine like a six-year-old, you know, taking the joy cons out and just like, you know Biting on them or whatever. Uh, they want they want to circumvent that I'm sure that seems like a very trivial problem But I mean it's something that does apply well So like certain families or whatnot, but the whole deal with tegra Like, you know, the video getting rid of the tegra chip. I just like Like when you would when you see a situation that you would think of the best Okay. Yeah, they're getting rid of the light. Like how are they gonna make the light? How are they gonna make the regular switch and then, you know Like, okay, the tegra is getting discontinued that also by default possibly means the discontinuation Of the light and the regular switch and then that sounds insane. It's all the same. Yeah It's like the best-selling system worldwide every month. Why were you? Yeah, why would you cripple it? They can't they can't even keep it in stock like what the fuck like exactly So there's there's two I feel there's two outcomes to that equation one that the tegra thing going out of production is bullshit Or like that's one two is that the antenna apparently may have this like, you know Back pocket pan a back pocket plan to replace the chip with a similar if not more powerful chip for Like for their standard switch and light in order to be like revision version two And then that has me thinking i'm like, okay That could be a possibility because like, you know, you would think oh that would cost a lot of money in terms of production Or Nintendo to like shift everything to that by possibly a more expensive chip or chip that does as well as the tegra But of course if they're phasing out the tegra that means they have to opt for a neurochip that's not being phased out thus being more expensive and That idea is like wouldn't intend to do that because that's more money But then you go back and like, okay, the switch is doing well enough So they have the money to do that kind of stuff to invest more back into the switch Which will only may benefit them in the long run for having a slightly more powerful switch in terms of the revision of the light and the regular switch But I mean who else is going to notice something like that so except the hardcore market I have a casual market's not going to care I have a theory and I didn't have this theory Until the dues broke about potentially the tegra x1 going on a stock and our realization is something So nvidia had a hiring post up Hiring a senior developer For their or in line, which is like their top of the line tegra chip that doesn't come out until next year for smart cars Because there's a worldwide silicon shortage. That's one reason why like we can't buy gpu's You know right now we can't buy place Asia 5's readily. You know the semiconductors. Yeah Yeah, like the semiconductors and the silicon show like so what has happened is the car manufacturers are actually not having any slowdown in production They're being prioritized for all the silicon and all the semiconductors Because they just have bigger contracts with the You know the the factories in the in the production lines So my theory was when I saw that they were hiring the senior developer for the or in chip and in the senior developer hiring post it says for the purpose of smart cars and Game consoles it's like okay I don't know that nintendo is crazy enough to go with the latest and greatest technology And just severely cut it back. So it runs at 10 and 15 watts or whatever but i'm like But if they're having a hard time getting tegra x1 chips because they're made on a 16 nanometer process That pretty much no other chip on the market uses anymore. Everything is under 16 nanometers now It's all it's all 12 10 8 and 7 they're even trying to get down to 5 But I don't think that's gonna land for a few more years So my thing is since it's like the only 16 nanometer chip being made out there It's not being made for cars the semiconductors and the silicon are being prioritized for car chips What if the whole idea here is well, we can't get enough of these made anyways We talked to invidia They tell us they have enough runoff from the chips that are making for the cars to be like Look, we have enough chips that don't hit the car specs But can easily hit a spec that you would use at a lower wattage For switch off off these top-end ones that we're making out focusing on and mass producing for cars for next year What if hey look We don't have any use for these chips Because they don't meet spec for the cars. This happens by the way guys with any new chips that come out There's only like a 50 turn over rate on chips where they make it and actually hits the spec they need Like if you think about why why is there the 30 90 the 30 80 the 30 70 30 60? Well, they have a they they make all the chips they make they're trying to hit the top end 30 80 30 90 But sometimes they come out of the factory and they can't meet specifications And run at the clocks and the speeds that they need to sometimes some of the cores don't work correctly You know mistakes on the manufacturing. So what do they do? They chop it down to where it meets a spec for a 30 70 they chop it down It meets a spec for a 30 60 So technically they're all using like the same architecture and the same chip It's just cut back because that chip couldn't hit the top speeds it needed to to qualify for a higher class of card So they don't if all the car manufacturers are like look we have we want this orange chip for all our smart card Tesla's we want the orange chip for all all our teslas But the turnover rates only 50 percent. What happens the other 50 percent of cards? Well, if Nvidia's like dude nintendo you can have these for way cheaper because they don't meet the spec And we're already mass producing these because the car manufacturers get the priority on the chips anyways We can give you more of these then we could ever give you tiger x1s And if that's the case then nintendo might be like well then screw it Why don't we just flip the switch and say you know what that could also They could also reinvigorate the market which is already just balling The switch is peaking boom We hit you with a more powerful one switch lights We're probably still gonna stay in stock for a while anyways because they always make too many of them because they're not selling And then they say look yeah, we're done making the og switch and we're done making the switch light Now we just have this new one with a 720p OLED and you know, it's basically the same form factor no bezel We're not switching out the joy cons or anything which would piss me off that they're not going to improve the joy cons But that's a whole another story that I don't know nintendo's got also all these lawsuits going on with it And maybe maybe they just actually don't want to fix the problem right now because then it's admitting that there's a problem And that hurts them in lawsuits Um, that's you know people don't consider that nintendo is a lot like there's even governments in europe suing nintendo over It's like they're in big trouble over these joy cons and if they actually make a better one They got you got to kind of watch out for them kind of admitting that there's a problem and costing them You know several hundred millions of dollars that nintendo does not want to pay Um out to governments or out to consumers That's why they've been offering these free joy con repairs kind of hoping that like can't people just forget about it We'll fix them for free. Don't worry about Sweep it on the here's the way. Yeah, we know there's a problem. Well, no, we don't really know there's a problem But hey, you know, it's out of warranty. We'll fix it anyways. You're not going to complain, right? You're not going to join the class action lawsuits, right? Right? We're fixing it. We got it Um It kind of all lines up where maybe they could just get more of those chips and they can the x1 anyways So they can produce more switches anyways and next thing, you know, hey, they're meeting demand. It's more powerful It's still at 299, you know, they're not making as much profits at that level with all the new tech in it, but also Hey It's gonna fly off shelves We still have a lot of the og switches to sell off to maybe we chop 50 bucks off the price or something To kind of clear out that inventory keep the switchlight at 200 and say screw it We're not making any more switch lights right now and then next year or the year after you really, you know The switchlight pro or you guys know what's going to be called like new nintendo switch, right new new something It's going to be called new nintendo switch or like switch xl. Maybe because it has a bigger screen the switch you maybe Which plus I mean, I know some people wanted to be called super switch, which I think would be really cool Or like switch advance like okay. There's better names which blade If you look at nintendo, what's consistently they've been doing with handheld xl And new new and like it's xl and new they used xl on the ds For the ds xl and they used it on 3ds so it could be called that because it factually has a bigger screen They could get away with calling it an xl. Yeah Or you know and obviously xls have always ended up being the top sellers for them anyways and just Because I look at it like this for akawa said They're only entering the halfway point of the switch I have a hard time thinking that this switch in front of me right now Like in three or like even two years from now Is going to really be enough for the market Like yeah, obviously third party support's going to fall off a little bit because Hello once they're done making cross platform to a playstation 4 and xbox one You're going to see more focus on those specs and less Ability to get you know anything about indie games on on here But you start to look at even from nintendo's perspective like Look They're already not going to compute power anyways, but they could do just enough To convince third parties that you should still support this thing because we're still moving 20 plus million a year and now that we have this pro version Well, guess what 60 million that we sold before last year That bought the og switch or the version one switch Guess what they're going to want to upgrade That's 60 more million sales over the next two years Because people just want oh man. I want that all that I want that 4k or 60 fps breath of the wild two Yeah, or it's enough of a boost to bring in a whole another extra 20 million. Yeah, so I mean it's again It's super speculative based on spotty information here and there But it's kind of like, you know, I can kind of see like if you connect the dots There might be something there where it's just They actually can make more of them because they're using a car chip Versus using a chip that literally only their system uses because for those who don't know The nvidia shield tv that had x1 m Doesn't use it anymore Oh Like they're they've they've stopped making it for that. They stopped making the shield the shield tv So then that leads literally just switch is the only thing using it. Honestly, then leaning more towards they Would be so what are you guys? I'll be right back. I got to take a phone call But you guys you guys keep going here and then Um, I guess I'll leave you with with this thought process off that crazy idea Do you guys think there's any possible validity to any of this because Right now, there's just so much out there But so little of it do we know because nintendo is doing what nintendo does And kind of deny stay silent We're not going to say much and then they're just going to drop it whenever they feel like dropping it Not for sure Go ahead hmk All right, uh, what I think about this is that You know, I feel there's some sort of validity to the whole notion of a switch Of a next switch switch next. That's what i'm gonna call new nintendo switch. Whatever I think there's validity to it because You know, we're reaching a point in the switch's life like he said earlier that, uh It's claimed that we're four years in and we're gonna have another four years because it's like, you know halfway Throughout lifespan it's gonna need something in order to keep it fresh man. Like yeah The switch has had a strong four years But now as time keeps going after that amazing first year in 2017 and 2018 was a pretty good year 2019 Like, you know as time is going, you know years and years like keep getting darker in terms of you know Like what's new what they have a plan specifically for the switch You know, I'm not the type of person to complain about ports But at the same time, you know, the more ports we have makes me wonder is like, okay What's what what does nintendo have new in the tank and something like really tells me like it's been This kind of journey nintendo has been taking like maybe after the first year or two or maybe even three That nintendo has been experimenting with something that they want to, you know Do more with the switch and that I remember there was an interview that's a long ago that Um, uh, calzumi I think was saying that uh, they would like to see what they can do with the Family of nintendo switch products, you know at time used by You know only talking about the regular switch and the switch light But I mean I felt I was like the first big hint that really put me that really put into perspective to me at least that you know nintendo's like, uh Looking towards a higher end version of this console, which is like, you know, of course the base Which is like the base of everything, you know light was something on the lighter end and then whatever they have in store Uh, beyond that is going to be the bigger end. I like, you know, like prime said I really don't believe that, you know People are expecting this to be like the next gen or the next thing or the next huge thing is like No, it's just, you know the next step for this specific gen that the nintendo switch, you know Has its identity under and You know all this considered I feel that this, you know, of course, it's coming out of bloomberg, you know I forgive ma ma mazuc I butcher his name, but you know, yeah Right, you know, he has a track record and so and he's not going to sacrifice that just because you know, he wants to entertain You know, we'll gradually talk about the switch switch or switch pro Yeah, no, I think there's a validity to it. Yeah Oh, for sure There's I definitely believe that there's some validity to it and actually to touch on your your family of systems They were even saying family of systems before the uh light came out if I remember correctly Right, so that kind of adds to speculation. Of course that something, you know I don't think they're going to call it a family of swiss systems if it's going to just end at two different types of systems so I also don't think that like So I I have a theory that The version two red box switch, okay I don't think they would have ever even announced it if switch light didn't exist Like right, I like let's think about it. Why Does that chip exist? Everyone thinks oh because of the switch light No, because the first switch had a major hardware issue that made it super easy to hack And nintendo was pissed because that hardware issue was a known issue With tagger x1 that nvidia never told nintendo about you So like nintendo is like oh shit. We got to do something so That's Like the nvidia you got to fix this like I understand you had all these chips sitting around and it might have been cheap for us But okay, let's clear those chips out and get something, you know That's let's update this and fix that security issue which they did And I think that would have just been like any other system if you look at every major console platform Out there they have chip swaps all the time For security reasons and we never hear about it. It's never news I mean you could hear about it in like, you know the the dull drums if you're paying attention to like Uh, where data mines of like os's and stuff, but for the most part, there's no there You know the version two switches it more powerful Does it have a there's a better battery life supposedly I had the version one and the version two I don't really notice much of a difference in the battery life Uh, it's just not a noticeable difference for me. So it's kind of like I don't think we there would even be a red box switch if it wasn't for the fact that okay switch lights coming out You know so since switch lights coming out we might as well just say hey look we also have a new And what do they do with that? The old white box switch gone done with it. So that's kind of like my thing like I As much as like because with 3ds they ran, you know 2ds 3s New 3ds 3ds XL They ran all those systems together for a while But I just wonder we're in a different time with a different CEO Who is very data oriented and very business oriented? And I just think he looks at the data and he says hey If we just swap out the current switch For a pro at the same price How's that? I mean that's not going to hurt the market right and Even if they do switch out which because I mean with you saying that The switch only use is the only thing that ever really I mean Only thing that actually uses the tega x1 um And that would make sense why in video would want to discontinue that and stuff like that um, but it also You know looks good to nintendo if they say look even we have this top of the line chipping it Even though if you look under the hood, they're not using it to the foot to its fullest potential Not even close right But they can claim to have it in there and people that don't look into it That's closely just realized recognize the name of the chip like oh, it's got this chip in it. It's so much better You can actually you know, I wouldn't I don't say want to say fool people but To a certain extent fool people into thinking it's So much better because it has the you know better name brand In it, so let's get to the bottom line. Are we getting a switch pro this year? Yes I think so I think so think it's going to come this year. You know that they're going to wait to like spring possibly No, well because It's it's weird because of the whole situation with the world right now in the pandemic, right like Uh, it makes me think I might go xbox like playstation and xbox They didn't wait and then you would think why would nintendo and to be fair like we we talk about how oh like playstation and xbox Can't keep up with the man Do people not remember what how every console launch goes even before the pandemic? Like you guys remember the remember the three Yeah, the we in the ps3. I remember there was a dude, uh, like, uh, it made news that a dude Traded a ps3 for a bmw. That's how it scarce was Like the guy really Yeah around launch time, of course And like you look at the sales like we know what the launch sales were for PlayStation 5 was four and a half million Which is exactly what they sold for PlayStation 4 at launch, which wasn't during a pandemic So like I look at it as okay. Yeah, the pandemic plays a role, but also, uh, this is what happens at every console launch So what the hell Like Is there really that big of a shortage or is it just um? Hello The demand isn't slowing down because yeah the demand is a little bit higher than other console launches just because there's people at home So sure if they would have made seven million at launch, maybe they would have sold seven million Unlike previous generations, but at the same point, I don't think they're really making systems at a lower rate than any other time I just think the demand is technically a little bit higher just because people are at home Um, and I think there's a lot of og ps4 owners that did not buy a pro that we're holding out for the next gen To that that kind of is a thing. I think it was happening too Um, because I know some people on PlayStation 4 that were debating on the pro debating on the pro But like oh, but PlayStation 5 has gotta be around the corner, you know, like we'll just wait for the PlayStation 5 um So Okay, so so we kind of think it's going to come this year then part of it. I think also depends on Breath of the wild 2 development too Because if it's so do we think breath of the wild 2 is tied to it? I I yes, I absolutely And it's a 35th anniversary Zelda this year Um granted they're probably going to run the the celebration through March 31st of the next year like they did with Mario, right? But well or later depending on when they actually fully start the celebration, you know, you know what I'm saying So do we think breath of the wild 2 is coming this year then? Yes, I could see it as a holiday game. God Well, okay, because some people are like oh the pandemic. I'm like, well, yeah But they've been making this game since the end of 2017 Pandemic wasn't in me. They're just using the same engine So like It shouldn't take as long it shouldn't take five years to slap this game together even with the pandemic So, you know, like a big theory of mine is that I really think the reason why They're not showing anything. It's because it's not because they don't have anything in the show It's literally just waiting from the for for the way for the okay from Nintendo It's like listen, we need this game to help solve the pro or the plus or where the fuck Yeah, you can't tell me that they they could show us a full on cutscene trailer In 2019 and they have nothing to show Yeah, that's two years later. I'm just no there's no way that they clearly They're just waiting like even that cutscene trailer. There was more they have more done They didn't just make that cutscene trailer and there was no other game. They they obviously They have a lot more they could show. I think one thing that might be happening Um, and this is just a kind of my own little Zelda theory brain going on two things from a logical perspective They don't want breath well to to overshadow scourge sword hg and potentially make people not win that not buy that game because People might not know this scourge sword hg means a lot to agianomo and Shigeru Miyamoto So she gave me a motor kind of stepped away from Zelda for a while after after kind of checking in on Majora's mask A little bit, but he didn't really have anything to do with it He was just kind of being like, hey, you have X amount of time to get it done you get it done this time I like what I see we'll go with it after that point forward agianomo kind of ran things Um, and well, yeah, I think there were some games I think that I think twilight princess shigeru Miyamoto listed as executive producer or whatever, but he didn't do anything They they probably just asked him questions. Well, they said this and like and I want to ask that like Yeah, I'd look at a build like once every eight months, right? Yeah, yeah, he really had nothing he really had nothing to do with besides making sure the game was actually being made I guess Yeah, um, well, so like call it a producer so so it was still, you know And obviously agianomo's gone from director into the producer role and then Miyamoto really hasn't but for skyward sword Miyamoto came back into an active development role on that game I think because of the motion controls in particular Because Miyamoto was the one who pushed for motion controls in the first place So I think he came back to make sure that was done, right? and then Obviously they decided that this was going to be one of the most story-intensive games in zelda and be the game That sets up the whole timeline So it became this highly important game that nintendo was extremely disappointed that it did not sell well They thought this was going to be another twilight princess another eight million seller Didn't even hit that halfway point of that. So like it like was around the it was around that was like Three and a half four million. Yeah, it was right. So it's like that's not what they thought on a hundred million selling System a zelda game did that that that don't sound right, but again What that's the cliff that furukawa has been talking about Sales of the we were way the hell down and technically I don't know people realize this Wii U was announced to e3 before skyward sword released yeah so like Why is anyone buying a new game after you just announced a new system? Yeah, they kind of they really felt themselves and they announced it because the we had already started to stop selling so like You know the basically 2010 was the last time that we did any sort of decent numbers Hadn't in the 2011 it really fell off a cliff and okay, we better announce the next system Why did you wait for the cliff fall? They could have just delayed skyward sword and made it out of wii u That I think they learned that lesson. That's why they did it with with breath of the lads and no no no no Wii U is tanking. We're spending 200 plus million dollars on this game. We are not Really seeing this we're not making a skyward sword situation, but worse Not doing that. We don't want this highly game. We think is epic, but then like we're leaving it to die Um, granted it might not have died They could have ported it to switch like Mario Kart 8 did and then just blew out the boo the hell up too So it still might have did okay But I think it made a lot of sense to hype up new hardware with hey look We've been hyping this all the game for how many years since 2014 like Come over and and buy a switch And we u owners were not forgetting you were releasing the same day But you know it's gonna be limited run because there's not that many we use we don't really care Right I mean dude for our time at launch there were more switch copies of breath of the wild sold than switches Because switch was sold out but breath of the wild wasn't So people kept buying the game knowing they were gonna buy a switch to play it At one point we'll play this game. Yeah, I am gonna play this game I just need it in my hands right now even though I can't play it yet For whenever I get a switch whether I buy it online or buy it in store. I already have the game I want to play um so like So for breath of the wild to Clearly, I think they're further along than people might realize even with the pandemic I wonder if like so you have the skyward sword hg situation where That game feels important to Miyamoto and Ijinomu so that they would don't want it to be overshadowed and two There were skyward sword references in uh breath of the wild bro Over the place man But like we never really got anything from it like the sword talked Okay, the sword talked but nothing really happened in game With it which made me feel like they're teasing something for breath of the wild too is happening with that goddamn master sword Something's happening And I wonder if they want people to fully gross in like all these breath of the wild players that didn't understand those references Because breath of the wild is the most popular Zelda game ever so many of these players haven't played any other Zelda game So like we want these players to hop in play skyward sword Like get the story understand some bit and then we hit you with breath of the wild too Which might build like maybe demises back maybe Gira hems back maybe fie is is back because after all the sword factually talked and we know that's fie If you play skyward sword, you know you know what that reference is Yeah, but just never nothing actually happened from like did the sword just talk. Well, yes the sword just talked What's going on and then nothing happened like it taught but that's it They didn't go any further because that was all part of the plan man and sometimes what they're doing They know what they're doing They knew when they made breath of the wild there was a plan for breath of the wild too and breath of the wild was made guys Oh, yeah, definitely Absolutely, especially if you guys got the the true ending I don't know how many of you guys got the true ending But if you get because there's like two endings as really weird as two endings in a zella game What and then there's a dlc ending on top so um, but like if the true ending, you know, there's more A very clearly was like the adventure ain't done Yeah, you you you stopped the calamity. That's great. There's more zella made it very very clear Ah, there's more issues going on. We ain't done The legend has more but yeah, we're gonna walk off into the sunset for now It's like, okay, like nintendo almost never Ends a zella game on a cliffhanger because they almost every time they make one. They always they stand alone We don't necessarily plan for there to be sequels But then there's a sequel right Like the only other game they did that with that they clearly planned for there to be a sequel was wind waker They ended wind maker by saying, okay, you guys need to go off and find new hyrule They planned for there to be a wind maker 2 before that got nixed and then they winded me twilight princess Obviously, we ended up eventually getting phantom hour guys since we were jacks that followed it up and ended up in new hyrule Anyways, but they were like factually the wind maker 2 was in the works eji and oma was working on the wind maker 2 and then it was um I forget it was the president of nintendo america at the time Or something like that. He was all like no because I do no no dude The american audience was not into this man like and that's your biggest audience for zella. Let's Let's nix that we got to go with something more ocarina of time like and then we got twilight princess So it's just fine twilight princess was a good game sold really I mean phenomenal is the best selling zell the game until That's a lot so and then they're like see we know we know like And then and then of course, you know eji and oma being one is like well i'm not giving up on the sequel idea We'll just put it on the ds and do phantom hourglass and spirit jack which was fine. Those games are good Um, even though phantom hourglass is my least favorite zell the game of all time. I still don't think it's a bad game I'll always remember the folding the ds puzzle. I mean that was So many people got stuck in that because like there's no other game that makes you Put your sit through your ds in the sleep mode to complete a puzzle Like no one's thinking why would I put my ds in the sleep mode? So people would find it out by accident because they were frustrated I can't figure the stamp thing out. They close your ds. They come back. Wait, it's stamped. What, huh? That's like that one pokemon that you need to flip your 3d your ts over in order to evolve Yeah, it's like like whoever think of that. What the heck? It's such a weird like but it was really cool. Like it's one of those aha moments Like I didn't know you could do that. I thought it was just sleep mode. I didn't know you could do a gameplay mechanic with that um, so like Okay, so we think breath about two is coming with the switch pro or at least they're Planning to maybe make that like a launch a quarter launch guys. It's going to come to the original switch Don't worry about that. They're not leaving the 80 million 90 million switch owners behind It might run at a better frame rate and stuff like that on the switch But it's still gonna the way breath of the wild plays to dance which if you're okay with that That's probably what breath of the wild two is going to play like Which I think most people are perfectly fine with it. So cool um But definitely a way to push new harbor for the holidays The reason that I asked is because if we thought breath of the wild was was because there's been like reports That maybe was delayed which I find reports of delays funny since there's no one a release date Yeah, right. I mean, yeah, maybe maybe internal delays, but since when do we hear about internal delays? Especially when there's not a there's not a like the only time you hear about internal delays is Here's the here's the rule of thumb with zelda games If nintendo gives you a release date. That's a year out. It's getting delayed Yeah Every time they like an example breath of the wild they said when it was revealed at e3 2014 this game is coming out in 2015 Yeah, it's getting it's getting delayed If you look at the history of zelda games when they give you a date that's a year out No, at least go a year past that at least go a year But they purposely haven't given us a date because I think What we will be found out with nintendo lately is they like to announce give it to you in a few months Announce well, right to you in a few months. I've been doing that very recently. Yeah Yeah, so and so I think it's a new strategy for them like look We're not gonna promise until dude this game's done. It went gold now now. We'll tell you it's gold now Technically not a delay if there's never been a real estate established. So my thought process was They don't okay, so Right now pokemon legends arceus is scheduled for early 2022 So you would figure that's coming before the end of the fiscal year nintendo wants it up before the end of the fiscal year They want it to be their animal crossing next year What are they released animal crossing before the end of the fiscal year this year for last year? so That's an open world game I don't think they want breath of the wild and pokemon legends next to each other in a release slate I don't think that's good for the pokemon company But the thing is it's gonna like That's that's the whole argument of like, you know disposable income because I mean like it's pokemon. It's gonna sell But it's like, you know time Yeah, I know but I mean like it no, I mean So my time and stuff like that my point was that That that almost supports them releasing breath of the wild this holiday. So you get a three month break until legends You know kind of oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's I was saying like because some people say well breath of the wild too Will come out in the spring, you know release on march 3rd like the anniversary and it's like Okay, but like if pokemon legend comes out around the same time. They're two really big open world games I feel like nintendo will want some space Between those games because people that play it are gonna sink hundreds of hours in You're gonna want to like give people who want both The time to actually enjoy both um And plus again space out sales You know breath of the wild too is gonna sell at least 10 million at least half Because I mean if you look at the history like galaxy two sold at least half of galaxy one So it's like they're going to sell at least 10 which would be the second best sell sell the game ever So they know those sales are guaranteed Release during the holiday period Last all the game that come out during holiday period So maybe 10 millions under that might be 10 million just during the holidays who the hell knows Right. I mean, I really don't know. I think the moment they show breath of the wild too It might be end up being the most hyped video game of all time Yeah, I mean it will be for me breath of the wild was for me when I played it at e3 2016 I mean it was game over there. I already knew when I played that demo. I'm like, holy shit. They got it, right uh-huh What even is that that was like remember me at e3 when I said This might be the greatest all the game I've ever played and this is just the opening the demo. Yeah of a demo, right? Yeah, right like just this area alone. Holy shit, right? um so it's like Breath of the wild too when they finally announced it and as long as it looks good And especially if it's got some hardcore references to skyward sword that just came out or or, you know, whatever Link's awakening since they just did, you know, uh, you know, they just had that remake come out, you know in 2019 like Dude people are going to be so hyped so I think I'm leaning I see I was originally thinking maybe they delay it, but you know what I think the stars are aligning The switch pros are solid. Yeah Now I want to touch on this briefly before I'll be wrapped things up Going a little off topic from nintendo here Microsoft and Bethesda's deal. It's really Microsoft and centimax to be fair The deal is finalized Europe approved it. The United States approved it That's the only territories that really mattered for them to get this deal done Because that's where all the studios are located between the u.s. And europe or north america and europe. Yeah, so Phil Spencer came out after it was done. He said look the deal is final and yes A lot of games are going to be exclusive Because Phil Spencer before said well, you know, we'll play it by ear But the deal wasn't done yet and he even said we can't talk about their games until the deal's done The deal's done The ink is the ink is dry. They have signed the papers so What do you guys think about this? Zenimax deal because this has been a kind of a big point of controversy coming back to the forefront I think there were some fans hoping that the deal will get nixed by one of the governments Didn't happen. So like what do you guys think see I own all the systems I own a series x a PlayStation 5 and a switch so like to me But but all Bethesda games are basically going to be on game pass. It's just made my gaming much cheaper Because I don't have to buy the games at 60 bucks a pop I could just did they're already there on game pass a service I already pay for so for me I'm like god, you know as a game reviewer as like a game guy who streams like That's great for me But I play on everything at least I do this gen as the first gen I think I've owned all the consoles at least for a while Oh, well, no, you see I've had xbox and and like nintendo's before and gaming PCs, but I've never had the head ups I had never really deep dove in the sony before it's my first time Owning like sony platforms super early and trying to get into the sony game. So What do you guys thoughts overall on this deal because my thought process is well microsoft had to do something Because they've been locking up studios for a bit and now they legitimately have a claim to hey in the in the microsoft ecosystem Which includes pc x cloud and xbox We'd actually now legitimately have a shitload of exclusive games That people care about between all those studios plus the prior studio the studio makes hellblade like they have all these like Granted we haven't seen the the fruit of these studios yet But it's gonna come I mean imagine, you know think about this guys skyrims on everything Right, literally on everything We've seen it run on alexa for crying out loud Amazon alexa it was kind of a joke, but still Skyrims on everything. I don't know the scroll six ain't gonna be on everything Nope You want it you better get game game pass or Only pc or an xbox or get into their cloud service so like What do you guys think about this deal obviously for microsoft it's Mostly all good news You know microsoft shits 7.5 billion dollars that They're the world's richest companies in the world. That's like one quarter of revenue for them Um, right. So like what do you guys think about this deal? Like do you think it's a good thing? Are you excited? Like Is there hope that maybe microsoft can kick bethesda and the button get them to stop having the same bugs in every single game Because that's like a bugaboo about bethesda games is all the follow-ups have all the same bugs All the elder scrolls games have all the same bugs because they're keeping using the same engine and they don't patch it Uh, but yet the games keeps on like crazy. I So, I don't know like what are you guys like guys guess what you want to play doom? You're probably not getting due the next doom on switch guys Oof we got doom eternal on switch big big undertaking Probably not happening anymore. Not going to get the next wolfenstein Any hope that you were going to get another skyrim game on switch ain't going to happen unless of course a deal is struck xcloud on switch Right, that's something that that's a down the line. I think his xcloud isn't fully launched right now. So right Anyways, what are your guys's thoughts? I'm kind of indifferent since I own everything so it doesn't really affect me. Well, honestly to me I don't know if I really play a whole lot of bethesda games I don't really game a whole lot. Anyway, so to me it doesn't really have a whole lot of effect on me um But what do you think like so the big controversy is basically Mostly playstation fans because even like nintendo fans aren't as mad because we haven't really been getting these games until the switch Anyways, right and it does seem like out of the you know, the other two two competitors to microsoft themselves They're a little bit closer to nintendo so the chances of if they aren't going to go exclusive to xbox, you know The next logical step would be Possibly allowing switch to have something. Well, here's the thing. I might even worry about switch getting anything I don't think it's going to happen I think all the games are going to be made in the future like exclusively for series x and their cloud service mpc, of course, I one thing I I think here is that To put context to this it's basically playstation fans that are pissed off because all these games have been multi-platform forever since the dawn of time And now they're not And there seem to be the ones that are super salty because they don't want to have to Get an x-cloud streaming don't want to a streaming service they don't want to have to buy another console or have to you know get a decent gaming pc and Most of them aren't even willing to consider x-cloud or an android phone because they just don't even want to consider console gaming on a phone Even if it even if it runs well, they don't even want to think about it. So It that seems to be the stemming here is just playstation fans are really pissed off which Personally, I find it to be a little ironic when you have while sony's not necessarily buying massive studios They have bought some Well, they get games like final fantasy 15 exclusive well not just that but But how many times has sony fans rubbed the face rub the faces of oh, we have all the exclusives. We have all the exclusive Sony fans have been rubbing Xbox fans face and we have we have the best exclusives. You're irrelevant besides halo and gears nobody now now that it's the table to turn And then obviously like oh yeah, nintendo can match us with exclusives But we also get all the third-party games So like we're technically the best platform for gamers and now it's kind of like Dude microsoft made a power play. Yeah. Yep. So what now? Well, what are you guys's thoughts on this? Do you guys even care? I mean i have multi platform game right now. So to me it's i love I don't care about console wars, but I find it interesting that I could kind of feel for for people that were like, dude i'll save it up for a playstation 5 I played doom eternal. It was i was looking forward elder school 6 We've been looking forward to elder school 6 for like over a decade And now I don't get it on my platform So what do you guys thoughts on that? Yeah, go for it. Okay Like the thing is, you know, uh like for but that's the game specifically I was never really what's the word, you know invested in those games or not like uh of scrolls doom All that good jazz, you know fallout blah blah. I was never really Uh invested in that but you know, I saw the discourse between like, you know the console war fanboys and whatnot And I'm like every time I see that on my social media feed I'm like, bro Console wars have been dead for years and then they they keep trying to one up each other And stuff and this move that happened with xbox with microsoft, you know buying out But that's the you know, like people really out here thinking that corporations, you know the the loyalty of corporations You know whether it be nintendo, sony, microsoft, whatever They think these loyal these they're rewarded for their loyalties in terms of like thinking that these corporations are your friends And you know, none of them are at the end of the day. They're not All of them are trying to find a way to make the most money out of your wallet the bottom dollar, right? So it's all about like, you know game pass. It's your friend. It makes things cheap. I'm like, no They're looking at game pass at the next netflix. They're looking to dominate like with the whole notion of, you know Oh, I should be rewarded for my loyalty. I'm like, you know, good stuff, man You bought this console thing in that, you know, elder score six or that other game that they're like the space version of Oh, yeah, um God, what's that called? Uh, it's a really big game It's a new it's a new ip. Um star Starfield. Yeah starfield. Yeah, whatever now that the fact that the now that apparently these games might end up being like 75 or not if not even like 90 percent, you know exclusive to xbox now This is that, you know, it's all this point of contention of competition in which these consoles It's I'm sure there's like, like, you know, I keep on saying this whole idea that the whole notion of console wars Is dead, but that doesn't mean that these companies still can't compete against each other But in different ways well, they're competing for your time, right? So yeah, they're competing for your time in your bottom dollar Your disposable income. That's what they're competing for at this point for they're no longer competing for Best specs they're not competing for like, oh They're not slapping each other down in the commercials like the nintendo days, you know the sega vs nintendo days when they were just Trash, you know, they all They all like look for different audiences at this point, you know The last uh, I keep saying the last true vanguard of like what you know People perceive a console from like maybe 10 years ago as playstation You know it's like oh people that they claim it to be the best place for gamers a console to play your games Best way possible for your tv. That's playstation when you have nintendo switch You have a hybrid console something you take on the go something that you could plug in at home something that could you know Like I would say cover the field of most ages when it comes to like up-and-coming gamers older games Some that applies to most of the market then you have xbox the whole deal with marcosoff You could play your games on xbox. You could play it on, you know game pass They're looking at like games at all it's like games as a service exactly games as a service is what they're doing It's options. So Exactly three big the big three are looking at different perspectives of times and then there's a lot of gamers on social media That really don't get that and they're like, you know, the consoleers have been dead However, that doesn't mean that they don't compete for your disposable income What they're competing now is by showing you hey listen We can offer This instead of oh, this is the best console like no this console can offer you this type of experience Right. So now with xbox buying Bethesda They're trying to bring that legendary developer into their fold and tell them like hey listen Now that these games are going to be here is what else xbox can offer or whatnot You know these games are going to be built for xbox not like the whole perspective the diet the pie The the paradigm shift that people need to look at look at is that these games are going to be built Best for the console not easily built to be the best game there is And people miss that because they keep on thinking that every game I should play Should be built to should be built to be the best game ever No, it's being built to be the best experience on this particular on this specific You know platform and that's what Bethesda is going to be doing for the xbox console So, you know at the end of the day, it doesn't really rub me the wrong way at all You know, this corporation this, you know corporate businesses corporate competition corporate tactics or whatever But seeing people getting salty about it. I'm like, bro, where have you been for like the last the past I also think it's like, you know, you know, I also think it was it was clearly smart for microsoft They needed a bigger splash in the studio as they were getting they needed to get a bunch of big ip's in And they got a bunch of ip's that I think meshed really well with the kind of ip's they've been making You know very western games. Oh, yeah Whereas well, what's sony doing? Well, they're they're locking in demon souls remastered, right? They're locking in Remake I guess so they're locking in things like final fantasy 15 like while sony appears Unfortunately from a marketing perspective to have abandoned the japanese audience They haven't abandoned the japanese developers that make games that sell really well in the west And those are the deals they're locking in Final fantasy seven remakes up locking it in like they are very clearly Know what they're doing and here's the thing I don't think this deal is going to hurt playstation sales for anyone who's worried about it I think one thing we have to remember because I understand there's going to be some sony fans that Bought a playstation 5 hoping this deal wasn't going to go through they bought it for the sony exclusives But they were kind of hoping they could still play their dunes and their follow-ups in the next You know starfield and all this stuff. They're hoping they could play that. Here's the thing One thing that we don't talk about very often Gaming is an expensive hobby Hmm. It's a very expensive hobby. It's always been an expensive hobby It's not like people look at it as well. Dude. I you know, I'm a we're a one-income family I work at subway. I can't afford all this stuff. It's so unfair It's like well, then maybe you shouldn't be into a gaming hobby then because it's just it's too expensive Or if you want to be in a gaming hobby, guess what? You're gonna have to have multiple systems if you want to play all this stuff Or you're gonna have to make compromises like being willing to use xcloud on your phone like There's so many options to game all three major console manufacturers are giving you all these different options And yes, I don't expect any of you guys to be like me. I have a gaming pc I have the latest series x I have the playstation 5 and the switch and I'll get a switch for when it comes out I technically this laptop on camera here can game as well Like I don't expect people to be all you know iphone 12. I have all the latest tech like I do But i'm also a youtuber Okay, I kind of cover this stuff It makes well if I wasn't a youtuber. I would just own a switch and a gaming pc But i'm a youtuber and my youtube income affords me to partake in other parts of the gaming industry that maybe I couldn't afford to We need to understand guys that gaming is expensive 70 dollar games on playstation 5 Nintendo rarely dropping msrp of their games charging you 60 dollars a pop Yeah, microsoft they have games as a service, but you want any third party games that aren't on it You're still gonna have to pay 60 70 dollars a pop and you might end up spending more money on that games as a service Which is what microsoft is hoping then you would have annually buying games So like In the end they're all just nickel and diamond you and trying to get all the money they can and a hobby That's built on being expensive. Yep. This isn't like a book You go into a store you spend 30 bucks. You might read that book for a month That's not the case with games. You're spending 60 70 bucks a pop plus you got to spend three four five hundred dollars to buy a piece of hardware to do it with Or gaming pc god for it. Those are like stupidly expensive So like I just I think this is a situation where Gamers yes, it sucks if you own a playstation systems and you wanted these games Guess what you're gonna have to buy an xbox or you're gonna have to use x-cloud or you're gonna have to accept playing it on a pc That's just the way it is and it's kind of too bad. So sad It's kind of like people who beg a nintendo to go third party forever So they can get nintendo games on their xboxes and and really that's not happening You see how well switch is selling nintendo ain't changing right. They ain't giving their games a pc They ain't giving their games to you guys right because that's what makes their system sell So You kind of have to accept the forest and the trees that are in it This is this is how the gaming industry works So i'm not saying that you guys can all afford to be multi-platform gamers, of course not I'm privileged to be able to be one but at the same point This is the hobby you're in if you want to partake in all of it You're gonna have to set money aside to pull it off Or just be happy with what you got Does so do you not give you enough exclusives to be happy? I mean I grant it I know playstation 5 really only has demon souls and astro boy at the moment for exclusives But in the future you think there's not going to be enough exclusives to make you happy in ps5 You think now that you own an xbox series x and you guys get mad about final fantasy 15 or whatever You think well now they they just spent 7.5 billion to give you exclusives You think there's not going to be enough to satisfy you now as a switch owner Are you not satisfied with what nintendo's delivered? And the partnerships they've made I mean we talked about breath of wild too and a little bit about pokemon legends coming out Hell we didn't even touch on the fact that we have you know the pokemon diamond a pro remakes this year We have metroid prime fricking four coming Oh way in out of three Like we had some big games coming folks and this is just the games we know about I didn't know we were written a mario golf super rush with an rpg mode like when I was a kid right Who the hell knew that was coming Right, I mean, I don't see you guys. I'm out of care marty sports games I don't care about it, but I usually don't care about marty sports games either But the moment they said the rpg. Oh, yeah for sure single player. I was like wait a second now Wait, hold up hold up. So like it's guys were to see like I Here's the thing be happy with what you have and just be happy that you have it because I remember times in my life I had nothing Literally nothing had to sell all my games like literally in 2019. I sold my switch I sold my xbox one x that I got for christmas Uh, I sold my entire physical switch collection, which was over 50 games uh, and Yeah, I even sold like parts out of my pc I used for youtube because I was poor as hell and I'm a family man with three kids. I lost my job Had no money. YouTube wasn't cutting it. I was screwed. I sold everything I could sell I understand That gaming is a luxury So you either make the sacrifices to do it or you realize there are technically more important things in life than playing a video game So why are we bitching about it? These are just companies competing for your bottom dollar, right? That's all they just want your bottom dollar They're just doing what it takes to try to make the most amount of money. I don't fault any of these companies for doing it I don't like where people mad when nintendo bought retro studios Like these companies are just trying to make as much money as they can You know, uh, I would be surprised if sony eventually buys from software You know, they get most of the games from from software even though there's a rumor that microsoft has A game coming from them soon, but Technically I can see that being a smart purchase for for sony in the future. You know, sony bought naughty doc like This is just what people do This is the industry we're in You know, no, it's just like when people get pissy when ea buys a company. It's like, oh, yeah We hate ea. It's like yeah, he's just doing what everyone else is doing. Yep trying to make the most money they possibly can And be happy because you guys do Clap back at ea enough that you know every now and then they they correct their mistakes and give us a good game like Like uh, the last star wars game that they finally squadrons was really good and then uh The last jedi was really good Right was that was that was not the last jedi? No, uh, that's the movie. Um, god dang it. Yeah, right I just played it. I have it downloaded on my series x. It's on game pass This is this is gonna bother me. It's something jedi. It's something jedi. I know that Fallen Fallen fall in order fall in order jedi fallen jedi fall in order. Yeah So like that game ended up being really really good and nobody thought that could happen after what they did with battlefront battlefront 2 And stuff like that You know madden right now has a shitload of backlash over the really shitty job They did this year watch them correct it next year and do something good They've been getting backlash over not having college football for so long because of all the contract disputes Now we're getting nc double a football backward and that calling it. They're just calling it college football like Okay, oh plans for zombies. Oh my god. They really shit the bet and then they released a good one like speak with your wallet companies will correct And that's what happening even with ea You wonder why fifa hasn't gotten any better because people are speaking with their wallet and they keep spending Money they keep buying. Yeah, like it's not going to get better because they keep buying it But madden sales are down down this year. So the next madden is going to have Positive changes in it because of it That's speak with your wallet. So like you're not happy that microsoft bought all these Bethesda stuff Well, then fine If you own an xbox platform and you're not happy about it Don't buy the games when they come out. Don't partake in them on game pass It'll make if the sales are way down and microsoft's not making money on them You don't think they're going to say, huh, maybe we should put it on the playstation Oh, yeah, of course they will yeah If you speak it with your wallet, but guess what we all know what's going to happen xbox sales are going to go up Game pass subscriptions are going to go up and the games are going to do record numbers on xbox platforms So be smart with your money buy what you can Enjoy your life We only got one of them. Yeah And hey, don't be don't be ashamed like I see this happen sometimes Uh, there was someone who I wanted my live streams was like because when I told the story about how I sold all my stuff in 2019 Um, you know, because obviously I've rebuilt some of the stuff by now All the some of the collection. I don't I don't have all my physical switch games back. I don't think I'll ever have that many again But I they were they were like, oh, I would never do that man Like I would like pack that stuff in my car and just like sleeping in my car and it's like, okay Well, I'm gonna try that. Okay. Okay. So like I lived out of my car I factually lived out of my car when I was younger. Let me tell you You live out of your car. How are you gonna get out of your living out of your car situation? You need to gas in the car to get anywhere And then you need to get you need to have clothes to get a good job to look good interviews You need to go somewhere to take a shower, you know, what if like I live in Wisconsin middle of winter It's too cold to go to a lake and do it. So oh god damn I got to go spend, you know, 10 bucks to get into the ymca just like in the locker room and shower up quick Like these are the sacrifices I made back then. It's like, hey, guess what? There's things that are more important than physical collections of of shit also try living out of your car with three kids Well, I didn't do that. Well, no, no, no, but but I would never wear my kids in that situation That does happen by the way. There are people that have kids in their homeless. Oh, no, for sure But yeah, I don't know that that's just me Um, I think people getting angry over this stuff is stupid Like there was someone today on twitter that was like telling me how much the switch sucks and all this stuff And it's like, okay, fine. Look at the guess what every platforms for everyone and none of these companies have to cater to your whims Is it really worth getting super angry about Yes, like when I was when I was a kid when I was younger I used to get I used to get mad about this stuff I used to think this stuff mattered, you know now I'm older and I'm like, you know what this is all entertainment It's like getting mad that like a show goes from netflix to hulu. It's like, yeah Well, what are you gonna do? Right? If it matters that much you get hulu to If you can't afford it, whatever cancel your netflix subscription get hulu watch it there finish up Then get your netflix like I don't know Be smart Anyways, that's my lesson to end the podcast with So guys, uh, you should definitely go check out hmk. Uh, he's been popping off his videos and live streams over on twitch Um, so check them out. Yeah, basically hmk. What everywhere's the hma killer. Can't ever remember hmk. Yeah hmk Hmkla everywhere. So literally I'll link his twitch on below his twitter his uh, youtube and all that He does a lot of types of videos. I want to tell what kind of videos you do in case they don't know If you guys don't know over on the hmk channel on youtube I do a lot of legend of zelda nintendo switch super smash brothers and kid in martz videos and stuff I've been you know going here and there with other You know topics or whatnot, but that's basically what i'm known for the most So if that's within the realm of uh, what you're interested in you should definitely check out my channel over at youtube.com hmkla All right Now you guys going again, you can check a lot of twitch He was just uh today he was just streaming persona actually when we're done Here he's going back to his stream. I saw that so yeah that that one dollar donation at the end that was me Yeah, I saw it Eric I know you can find him on twitter uh at emo something so emoh 8790 You guys know this is nintendo prime you can find this podcast If you don't want to watch the video version or you can go I'm pretty much any podcast app in the world look up nintendo prime podcast. We're there if you Are listening to the audio version and you want to see the video version how cool the set looks And see our beautiful faces and any fancy editing I do which there probably won't be as much in this one because We didn't go into specific games. This was more about a system Um Hey go check it out like I put a lot of time into the set Eric and I spent a lot of time building the set We still mess with it every week a little bit to try to make it just right We have a few more things we're going to do Also like there might be some more changes coming to the set coming up here We were thinking about better setups and stuff. So well anyways, it's an ever-evolving thing But the important part is is that the conversation is great and you guys had a good time So appreciate all your guys's feedback down in the comments as well And how we can make this show better or how much you love this show and what you love about it Uh, otherwise, thank you guys for tuning in and uh, hey, it's okay. Gotta get you on a future episode when we're talking about some zelda Oh, definitely, man. You know where you know where to find. Yeah, if I didn't already have two guests I was gonna get you because we did a zelda 35th episode where we had game over jesse And miss click on and I was like, ah, we just don't have room for it We just don't have room for another one because I would love hmk on that one But you know what when the news drops 35th anniversary news breath a while to If an hmk, I mean breath a while two news for sure is going to come at some point We were told it. Well, he and i'ma told us we're getting news this year Sometime here sometime this year. So hopefully sooner than later. I hopefully hopefully I mean Hey, maybe nintendo actually partakes in the digital event at e3. Yeah, that would be sweet. Yeah But we'll see they just do their own thing and I think you do their own thing too But the only reason why I like them saying they're gonna participate in e3 is and then oh, then we know when it's gonna happen Instead of this, oh, we're getting a direct this week or this week or this week or this month Um, if you don't have to speculate we know Um, that was that was the only cool thing about e3 is you just knew on this day every year Yep, nintendo's doing big big going big. So all right. Thank you guys. Catch you in the next episode and hmk No, it's screwed. I'm probably gonna watch your stream while I'm editing Nice there you go. All right. Peace out guys