 In the public session, we had already approved the agenda prior to the executive session, but we will need a motion to amend the agenda and recognize Greg's resignation as town manager. So if I can get a motion and a second so we can put that officially on me. So we're putting in right now. So it won't go in before the public comment or inquiry. So we need to speak in public session about it, but Greg has put in his letter of resignation as town manager. And he will be departing in around the 21st of June to go back to Colorado. I don't really want to get into too much of it because that's his personal business, but he's more than willing to elaborate if he wants to. If not, we'll leave the way it is and we will move forward. We will have, while we are amending the agenda, we will keep our executive session at the end. We will be inviting Teresa into that executive session. Are you good right now, Greg? You're good? Yeah, mine is a family member stuff, that's why. So we will open up, there's a large public session here in the United States, which is nice. So public comment or inquiry, there's anything that's not currently on the agenda for tonight that anybody would like to comment on or bring to our attention, more than willing. Just make sure, because there are a few that we don't know your name, so just make sure you read your hand, state your name, record, and move forward. You can go first. Okay, thanks. I'll come to your point, but I just wanted to be sure that you are going to hire a town manager. Correct, yeah. So the idea, well, we will be going into the executive session to talk about that. If we decide to move forward with that this evening, then we will come back into public session and make that decision. The idea is to appoint an interim town manager, and then start to chart our path on going through the process of hiring a new town manager. Why interim town manager? Why town manager? Why hiring town manager? Rose, it doesn't have one stock, so it doesn't have one as an interim. Yeah, that's always an option. Things flow a little bit differently in those towns. Even though they don't have a town manager, they do have a town administrator. The roles are slightly different. So the two differences, you know, in a town, well, when you have a town manager, the town manager is appointed by the select board to run the town. In a town administrator role, the select board runs the town, and the town administrator kind of helps with the day-to-day duties. It's a little bit of a different thing. It's a little bit of a different process, so the board on a town administrator type town plays a larger role on the day-to-day process. But it's definitely something that we have talked about already, and that we will continue to talk about through the process. In relation to that, will you have a hiring committee? Well, so in our next executive session, that will be obviously some of the questions that we'll be trying to answer ourselves. Last time, we decided as a committee that we're here, Mo and myself, all I think was here. Last time, anyways, the way we went about it was we formed a committee which was made up of the select board members as well as some of the public, which I believe we ended up having three public members that ended up being committed to it. And it worked out really well last time, but at this point I wouldn't be able to comment directly on how that would be, but that would definitely be an option. And if we do decide to do that, then we will definitely make that information public so that anybody that would like to be on that committee could volunteer or serve or anything else. So it's not an agenda, yes? And just make sure that we, you know, we know a lot of you, but just make sure you state your name and the record so Lisa can make sure that you're in there and Paul can make sure that we have grabbed it when we do the meeting notes. Okay, my name is Betty Ann Scamble. I was here at the last select board meeting. I was wondering if you would have an update on Cherry Hill Cemetery. Okay. And I know that you said you were all going to go and look at the water issues there. And I didn't know if you had the opportunity to do so. And what your thoughts are at this point. So I have. Okay. I have. And so has Alan. The plan was, I think I'm in the right area. I had talked about this a little bit. But the idea was it looks as though that culvert that's, that's kind of a hill of that is too small. So there's a couple of options that we looked at either extending that culvert all the way across and covering that entire, that little ditch there, or, because I know access was something that they said that that's a tough thing for people to get into the cemetery. Another thought was to extend that culvert another 10 feet, 12 feet, a little further down and then put a stone walkway type of thing to allow people to. So the culvert is still there, but you can walk over sort of a footbridge kind of thing. So those are the two options that we're going to talk about right now. But I think both of them will work. It will fix the problem. As well as at the end, we're going to put more of a defined ditch to try to keep that water because it looks like it turns the corner. So it's supposed to go to kind of a wetland area, but it doesn't. It continues to come around. So we will define that ditch a little bit better. It's not only want to get rid of the ditch necessarily, but we want to define it so that it takes the water where it needs to go. And what about the culverts that go out across Kurt's Road that pour onto the other cemetery lots? Those I did not see. Where are those at exactly? Are they further up the hill or is it further? They're right on the flat. There's a road that runs up to Kurt Boyd's house. That's the one I looked at. There's three culverts on that flat road. Right, and two of them kind of come down together. No, those are the first two. That's the first, but there's three others after that. Further up? No, well flat across. Okay, I'll take a look at those. So the issue is where they dump out. Yeah, they dump right out on great sites. And you'll have to knock some bushes on too to find them and the other ones got a clear cut. There are a couple of, I went over the minutes. There's a couple of adjustments on the minutes regarding last week's when I was here. Okay, then I think we'll be doing that real quick. Thank you. So I think to sum it up right now that we've identified the comments from last time and I can't speak for all the board members, but I think a majority of the board members have gone out and looked at it as well as the very important people, which was Greg and Alan, and have determined that there obviously is, there are issues there. And I think at this point right now we're just trying to figure out what the best solution did reason for there. And it's kind of complex because there's complex, you know, there's the culverts, a curts road as well as the ditch line areas. And I don't know if there's a perfect fix there, but I think that we can do better than what is currently. Yeah, we're trying to just somehow accommodate the water flow as well as the access. Right. And it's cost-effective as possible, but that means it's over and then it's over. So I don't think we're ready to make a full recommendation of what we're going to do there yet, but I would say why don't you follow back up with either myself directly or the board before our next meeting. And we can give you a little bit more on that. Maybe we'll have more about what our plan is and maybe a date to do it type idea. Our next meeting is on the 24th, correct? So why don't you follow up with either myself directly or feel free to come back in on the 24th. And I think, can we make that talk? Yeah, I'll talk about it and find out what this plan looks like. Or even if it's a partial fix for now to get the wall molding and when we might be able to tackle that. Thank you. Yeah, I'll get with Alan and give you more of a definitive timeline. Okay. And I would just also just, if any of the board members have any ideas in regards to the Cherry Hill Cemetery, feel free to get with Greg and Dylan to go through that. Anybody else have any comments? I'd like to ask a couple of questions about the bathrooms. And I'm wondering, is there a yearly schedule for cleaning the ditches, cleaning out the culverts, getting out the debris that's in them or who's in charge of that and how is that done? For a long time, there is now. So Alan and the Public Works Department, they have a schedule of, you know, a lot of us are driven by people, you know, the plants, but there is still a charge of seasonally getting out and doing cutting ditches and cleaning the ditches and cleaning the culverts, grading the roads. It all just kind of happens on a rotation now. I would say that rotation is not a perfect animal because some of these roads get worse than the others a lot more quickly than the others do. But there is a rotation that they try to keep. This year it's kind of been tough because of the rain. We start to grade the rain in terms of the mud and it just gets nasty. But there is a rotation that they try to keep. It's one part of town and hit the next part of the next part and just kind of keep that going. As far as the ditches or the culverts, I'm not sure, Jason, is that on a kind of as you see them or do we have a, we don't have like a rotation of let's hit every single culvert in this area. Right. And a lot of it is, you know, people give us calls too. You guys are all one of the eyes and ears of these back roads for us. So when we have somebody who calls about it, we definitely go out and take a look. But it is something that myself and Alan and the department of trying to keep going is a more defined schedule. The problem with having a schedule is that schedule can change in a moment's notice. So that's why we haven't been real apt to post it out of a website somewhere because I don't want to tell you I'll be there tomorrow whenever it may rain or something might happen and I can't get out there because then it looks like we're not doing our jobs. But there is a schedule and they're trying to keep to it the best that they can. Because the 30 years that I've lived where I have, I have never seen the culvert thing down, ever. Yeah, that's right. And now we have culverts since the last storm, one being up by Joanne Wood, that has been plugged since the storm, is still plugged. So when it rains, it washes up over it, washes across the road. That same culvert was still plugged. I can tell you a lot of them. So I don't see the maintenance happening. I don't see it. We have three hundred culverts and four heads. We have more guys. Most of that damage went across the road because there was no ditches. And I watched the water go from the right across the road, wash it out, and the only time the ditch was done, since I've been up there for 17 years, is when Bobby Hyde went off the road with his dump truck, it was past my driveway. We had a ditch for a year, about 20 feet long. So I would say, Penny, you know, you bring forward a very valid point with cleaning out the ditches and whatnot. And I know from my experience with traveling around the state of Vermont and every town and every state road in Vermont that I work on, that it is the same common theme in every town. And unfortunately in just about every state road that the culverts don't get cleaned out and the ditches don't get maintained like they should. But I think it's a good valid point to bring up. And I know we're going to be working on, you know, we got pushed back a little bit because of the whole flood thing. Like right now we were going to be talking about some winter maintenance schedules for this coming year. But maybe as a board it might be helpful always to talk about winter maintenance. We can talk about, you know, summer or spring-summer fall maintenance. We can add to that. I guess it doesn't hurt, you know, these are the, you know, things that we want to hit during the summer maintenance if that's, you know, yearly or every month. So can I ask where the town crew is working right now? What are they working on? They're on the radio codes. Your work on equipment is broken today. In my understanding, what else, what's going on with the rest of the day? You remember all the albums this morning, right? Was that in the grade, or was there any models? Yeah, these Mack Clorotting Rows. They were out today in Mack Clorotting some rows. I don't know where he was at. They're clearing branches or laying in branches. They've got the chipper up and running. Clearing out the branches that are hanging down, getting cars. They've been doing that. They're going to be striking the rows next week. The crosswalks will be done next week. And maybe the bull balance next week. So that's kind of what the rotation looks like. In the meantime, we have one guy on Raiders himself. Are you going to put the bump bounce out? Eventually. Raiders. You're going to put it out. You're going to put the bump bounce out? That's not to me. That's not to me. Striking the row to continue making more of a bump out. It doesn't make sense to put it all out there. How many of you have got to run over and plow? Actually, a million of them have run over. Yeah, I mean the bump bounce. What do you really do? I'll be more than happy to dress. Let's finish. You can dress the bump out if you'd like. I mean, I think... Today, the River Road got what I call scraped. I don't call it grading. When the road is graded, it is rolled and graded. Within a week's time, the same bumps will be there. The same falls will be there. It needs to be rolled and actually graded, not scraped. A tree was cut beside the road, and every piece of that tree is in the ditch. Why wasn't it? The chipper is being worked on right now. What's wrong with manpower and picking it up and moving it? We're not allowed to take the trees out of the problem. Yes, it's a problem. And then there are big enough chunks, so we'll just go over to the back, put them on the other side, over the bank. The trees that are on the property that are cut down belong to the problem. We have to give them the first right to take that tree. Are they notified? I don't know how they're notified. There's a tree down on the property. I mean, how many trees are down on the property? If we get a heavy rain tonight, that ditch is plugged, and what's going to happen? The same thing that's happening. And Penny, I understand it completely. I was going to let you know that the town of Bethel is not the only town in the state of Vermont in our face position. I live in Bethel. I understand that. And the damage is done. It costs us more money. I understand that. Penny, there's a lot of common sense, and I understand that. We're trying to balance a combination of everyone's needs, as well as a budget that everybody could live with in the town of Bethel. And it's a very delicate process of, you know, there are things that have been put by the wayside for many years in this town that we're still trying to dig out from. And I would like to think that there are individuals seeing that there is a lot of forward movement in the town. However, there is a lot of things that we still haven't gotten to. And when you get to culverts and ditches and things like that, those are some of the things we haven't gotten to yet. And then we have to make a decision as a town. You know, if we believe that some of these items are important enough to us, then we're going to have to add more money to the budget, which requires taxes going up. And I know there's a lot of people in this town that, you know, the tax rate is an issue. So, you know, we're just trying to balance that. You know, they'll get it if you can. But it is heard, and we will work forward towards a solution with that. And I think it would be good with the board if we add that discussion through the winter maintenance discussions that we're going to have on seeing what we'd be going forward a summer schedule of maintenance would look like. And we plan on, you know, inviting in Jason and his peers to be a part of that discussion where we, you know, make those big plans. But it's well heard. I have the same comments since I've lived here on ditches and, you know, and things like that as well. Materials are a big thing. I mean, as far as road building and on that, you got millions and millions and millions of yards up in the quarries. Why don't we utilize that? You have to talk to the budding landowners that put a kibosh to noise ordinances of trucks going in and out there. I mean, those are all the things that you handicap. I mean, that's called the educated idiots right there. We have a great resource there, but if you can't move a truck in and out of there because the budding landowners have complained to you. Like we're going there on Irene. You can't do that. You'd have to get a declaration of emergency to do that. The challenges that we face. My dad built the road for me. Down the aisle. And you still don't have to touch that to this day. It's rock hard. They use all the stuff other than this. Yeah. And that's why you will never take anything out of the Bethel quarry anymore, unless it's an emergency situation because they have limited it. When I say they, the budding property owners as well as, you know, through the permitting process have limited that quarry so much that all they can take out of that is granite slabs, so many trips per week. So our options of going in there and taking advantage of that resource is not there until, until those landowners change their point of view of that quarry and allow for permitting changes there. Who made the decision to have so many trucks come through? That's all the wonders of Act 250 and local DRV. Now I can't say that's local DRV but I can tell you that Act 250 when any organization goes through a permitting process they have a hearing, you know, just like anything else. And during that hearing is when a budding property owners are allowed to discuss their needs and wants. And during that time, you know, that's what happens. So they decided to shut down the quarry? Well, they, they handicapped the quarry. So I mean, you drive up the understate and you'll see, you know, you'll see there's probably a million tons of material sitting in two big piles up there that will never go anywhere. It's just going to sit there. It's overburdened that they don't use. And it's the best stuff. Yeah. Well, you can't even buy it. And it's not that the quarry wouldn't love to sell it to the town at a discount or whatever. It's that you couldn't truck it out of there. And the noise ordinances that are put in place. So it's very challenging. But that's the world we live in, in Vermont and all the permits and regulations. We'd love to use it, I'm sure. And that would cost a lot, right? Yeah. And put good material on it all to get good results. Now, just our meeting's long enough but we didn't hear the bump out concern. And it's just an opportunity to address it publicly. So, I don't know, it was three years ago that we did the downtown, the better block. So the original better block that started, when we had the downtown, we had the bike lane and we had the outside vendors. So the better block plan was basically to how can we revive the downtown. And the better block was kind of step one of that, which they come in with different ideas on how we can get business thriving in the downtown. How can we make it easier for people to do business and make it easier for people to come in and visit the shops. And out of that, the better block came a lot of different ideas and suggestions from not just the townspeople, but from outside sources through the agency and the elk that came from Texas there, the better block themselves. So they had ideas and suggestions on how we could move forward on some of these plans. And one of them that came out of that was noise in the downtown village. So they did some studies in regards to the decibel level of what a calming downtown should sound like and what our downtown sounded like. So it was found that the decibel levels in the downtown were a lot higher than they should be. It's a lot louder than Trump's right now. So the idea was through BRI, they moved forward through the better block and got a grant to test the waters on what some of these bull belts would be. Put them in place, get some information from the public on do they work, do they not. It's an idea going forward. So they had put them out there. And we definitely have the initial moe you were on it. You'll meet Paul might have been coming on about that time. I don't want to drag him into it, but it's all Paul's idea. So the idea was to give it a season or two and test the waters. So we had a grant that bought them. At this point we're on the hook to install and take them out once a year. And the idea at that point was to give it a season or two and get feedback from the public. So last year was the first full year that we had them in. We definitely received everybody's comments on it. And I would say that they were weighted. We'll have some negative things and they were on the positive end. And then the goal for this year is to put them in. We're going to slightly tweak the set that was by the hardware store and put them in a better location because the one by the hardware store and I got cleaned off a lot. It seems like a waste of time. Yeah, I know, but in order to do that when there's so much of the stuff. So it's an idea in order to be positive and move in a positive direction in the downtown, we're exploring something like that. So we plan on putting them in. We're going to change slightly the location for this year and continue to get the feedback and probably by the end of this year we'll make a decision if we want to move forward with them or not move forward with them. So they were positive. The grant doesn't come up for us to take it and put it out on them. No, no. No, the grant purchased them. But we didn't want to get a call with them. But it took roughly, I mean, not to... The cost associated with putting them in and how it amounted very, very limited. It took them two hours. Two guys, half a day. So that was the first time they installed them. And the idea is to be able to put those in at the same time or painting the crosswalks because we're going to repaint them anyways. So the idea is to spend a day... So they're for noise? The traffic will slow down. The idea is that traffic will slow down. To lower the noise and also make it safer for pedestrians. It allows pedestrians to set a full car with it. So they only take up what a car would be parked there. But you are able to step into a more visible space in the street. So when there's cars parked on both sides, it allows pedestrians to step into the same zone that a car would be in and be more visible so that an oncoming car could see them and actually stop and make it safer for pedestrians crossing the street. So it's not just about noise level. It's actually intentionally to slow down traffic and make it safer as a pedestrian zone. Which is what makes it down to unviable as... Every time I've been to Beville, there's a car park there. I mean, it don't matter what time of day, there's a car park there, and I'm pretty sure it does about the same thing. I mean, not like... Well, but a kid is not taller than a car, right? An adult is much more visible if a car is... Usually a car is pulled right up to the bump out. So I mean, it doesn't give you three to four feet last year. I mean, we could argue... Yeah, no, for sure. Again, it's their ideas. You know, it was put through a grant, so had we had not used that grant, we couldn't have used that money for anything else. So that grant was just a purchase bubble, just to do that only. So it's not like we could have not taken that grant but two more culverts that would have never happened. For that purpose only. Yeah, to put them in and out for two years. Great grant. There's no skin off us, but... And then just let everybody know... And just let everybody know, if you're driving on the bull belts, you're driving on the wrong part of the road, the width of the road, the width of your travel lane does not change for when the bull belts are in or the bull belts are out. If you're driving over the bull belts, you're driving to parking spots or potentially hitting pedestrians. That's the point. Well, there's drivers like that everywhere, you know. Read about it at the paper when they run over their kids. Well, there's a lot of things that we're trying. Yeah, with the... So not to beat the dead horse, but the idea is to put it back in this year. We're going to slightly rearrange the ones that were at the hardware store and put them in a little bit better position and continue to collect data. And then at the end of the year, we will meet with the board and decide what we want to do going forward. So... All right. Anything else other than bull belts or culverts? Or ditches. Greg, I want to thank you for meeting with me at our property. And I just wanted to do a follow-up and make sure that what you were, you know, you told me what happened is related to... Yeah, that's the long term. Is that anything we could get? I'm worried with you leaving if that may get slipped through the cracks. I tried something though. You want me to write it? Sure. Thank you. All right. Anything else? Anybody else have anything else? Not on the agenda? All right. See you then. We'll move on. Dylan has been waiting patiently. If you didn't get into the bull belt conversation, that would have been interesting earlier. So... What was it when we talked last November? It was the last quarter. So, yeah, three months? Yeah, November, December. Right about before the first year, right? Yeah. So if everybody remembers right, Dylan had purchased the piece of property up here. At that point, he was just starting the renovation phases or demo phases, they think, at that point. And as... Board of water, at that point, put our hats on for that. And we'd give him a... a six-month... Right? Yeah, a six-month combat. Reprieve on his water and sewer while he's doing... restoring that building to bring it up to being able to rent it out and be profitable. So, we did discuss with him if it was going to run over six months, that he would come back in with a new proposal in time, flying on, you know, to get things done in an overview. We're getting there, you know, time and money, but the bottom one's just about done. We're still having clothes or things in there, but they're real close. Take all those stuffs there. And the top one's the same thing, you know, trying to do them both. It's out of pocket, so it's taking a little longer than expected. But... coming in another quarter, I think we would be right there to be in done. So, at this point, from what I've been hearing, it's looking to get one more quarter toward the... Well, I just got my bill for the last quarter. So it would be this quarter. And if I could have that on the bill until, you know, one more time, I think. So where are we at? I'll put you on spot three, but where we have it is the channel. So, again, he said he's got us what we need to build. Can we fill you into the vacancy? I can't remember. The full-on. So he's just looking for you to date this last quarter and then he'll be done. So he could date them before. Give them six months to... So this last quarter of water and sewer? Yeah. There's no water in the sewer. Because the bill they just got was April May. So if we did... chose to go that direction with the pavement, then you feel like you'd be in a good position after that to take advantage of... Yeah, we're really close now. I mean, up in the structure and start right now. You know, he gums one can, and, you know, when I have the money, I'm trying to get everything out of pocket of this, and that's up quick. And I know it's challenging. In our spot, anyways, it's just more of a... like, we're more than willing to work with anybody on, you know, restoring our downtown. And, you know, building and getting them to, you know, where we can rent them out and, you know, have a positive influence on the downtown. But also just got to juggle that with, you know, the schedule of when it will be done, you know. Not to say that you're going on that trip, but, you know, we don't want to be here two years from now talking about the same thing. Sure, yeah. I think the board just needs some reassurance that this is what you're looking at. Yeah. One more quarter. I mean, we would be, you know, right there with everything, I'm pretty sure. Like, as I said, the bottoms, we're just putting fixtures and stuff in now. And the top, you know, we're not just doing... that one, we didn't have to do any sheet rocker and they didn't get smoked in. So, you know, we're just going to paint it and put some new toilets and stuff in and then we should be up and running. Does anybody have any comments? Are we doing a vacant or are we doing a vacancy break? We're doing a vacant. Currently with... Zero. Zero, yeah. We should be asked for water. We have to water it down. Right. Water is zero right now to shut this off. Yeah, but what I'm saying is once you want the water on then you'll be spraying charge on the roof from that point on. Which is, I mean, should be how it is. If you're not using the water or, you know, you're not using the sewer. So, I mean, and just to clarify things, I mean, typically we have, I guess when we're dealing with a vacant building, for instance, there are, well, there's three ways we can do it. There's, you know, you pay for water and sewer regardless of if it's vacant or not then the other piece that, you know, can happen in certain instances if it means policy is, you know, you can take a vacancy rate on a building. So let's say, let's say you're building, let's say you did all your remodeling to your building, right? And, I don't know, a year later you have nobody living in it and you ask for a vacancy rate. So the vacancy rate, the vacancy rate really is there to is to help the owner but also allows the town to recoup the costs, the overhead costs for water. You know, a majority of the water expenses that go to a resident or home are there regardless if you turn the faucet on or not because we're treating water. We paid to deliver the water two-year curb stop, right? And in Dylan's case, what we've done is, you know, Dylan has taken a building that was, you know, severely run down that nobody really wanted and has come to the plate to get the building back up to speed and be a positive influence downtown. So, in Dylan's case, he's come under the reassurance that he's going to fix this thing up and get it going so that it will be a... Yeah, it'll be two apartments once. Right. So we have abated his water and sewer. Right. And he's looking to do one more quarter and then he believes that he'll have it going fully and then we can charge him full max. Yeah. So, and hopefully he'll have him filled and, you know, everything's good. So, any other comments from the board or have I emotionally extended for another quarter? I appreciate it. It'll be good if you really, you know, make an effort to have things ready. Yeah. You know, you do home improvements. You know that once you start cost yourself, well, hey, look at this. Well, I'm sure you are. You might as well. You're anxious to get return on your investment. Yeah. We're anxious. I mean, it's, but it's... So we have motion seconded or second all in favor? Okay. I have it. We appreciate you being up front with us and we'll have one more thing. So, I own John Henry's old place now. I just closed on that today. And I don't know if any of you have been down there lately. Not recently. I'm probably going to ask for a similar thing down there because that place is a dump. And it's going to take some clean up time. And there won't be anybody using any water or sewer down there either for a little while. So why don't you... Do I need to do another letter? Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you, you know, get with Therese. Okay. Do a letter with a proposal on it and then we can get it into, you know, either the next meeting or the meeting after that to have you come back in and spend some fun time with us. Yeah. And not with your kids. So Therese, you'll be willing to help Dylan out with that. And I think, you know, as the board has said all along, that, you know, we're really, really willing to be an active participant in seeing all these buildings that have been... If you guys want to swing in or take a walk around that place with Pratt House, and I mean, legit. Pratt House. And I mean, there's still needles on the floor. So feel free to go in. You can have anything you want. And tell me how to clean up. Bring your barbecue. And then we're going to make it, you know, we're going to clean it up and get the rats out of there for the other people. So, I mean, realistically, we're helping out the neighborhood by buying. Well, we appreciate you taking on some of these challenges. Yeah. I mean, I don't know why. And hopefully everything works out. You know, you're able to make a return on investment. We're able to have a good partner on water and sewer collections. And because that's kind of the way, the way this works. So as of today, you need almost eight grand. At the end of the closing, that's what you get to check. Well, just work with Rhys on that piece. Yeah, well, okay. Yeah. I'll do it. All right. Well, excellent. Good to go. You ready? Yeah. Anything else? We've got Dylan's appointment. Can we do all that? No. All right. So, Aldrich and Elliott, we apologize for being behind this evening. We're normally pretty on time. But it just must have something to do with you guys. So, at the last time, we met, you know, in regards to the water master plan, you were in the, more of the design stage, engineering stage, everything. We got to go from the stage and we were kind of moving in that next stage, because kind of your design and consulting and maybe you wanted to add to that right here. So, how much detail do you guys want to go through? Did you guys get the agreements? I think your packets, the money, the cases? Yeah. It was spent in the meantime. So, I think if you can give us kind of the sort of high level review on it. Yep. So, the good news, I think it's deadline coming out next January that is part of the Sanitary Survey. So, that's what we're kind of anxious to get this moving. In fact, I've got a survey crew schedule to be out here on Wednesday to start the field survey. So, the state requires that we use this standardized documents about 80 pages. There's really only a couple of sections in here that are like custom year project. The one is obviously the fees. And the last piece of that is really the scope of services. We sent a draft that it's up to everybody to state reviews and approves that they make sure that the scope's appropriate. Make sure we're working on the correct areas as far as what they requested as part of the Sanitary Survey. They also look at it to make sure that these are appropriate for the work of those. Would you like me to go through the scope of services we did briefly here? Sure. Yeah. So, if you go to the very end of this document and exhibit J, there's about five pages which covers the scope. And generally, I'll just give a quick overview out of the Sanitary Survey. The two primary items here are the main street water line replacement in addressing the storage and controls and alarms for the boulevard and vehicle tanks. And then we also have included in here a couple other phases, phase two and three, the water line replacements in the area of Cushing Drive, the Clifford Drive, Benzmore, and another Liberty State one-a-month drive. We're using for those couple of things. We coordinate that work with the base project, the water line and main street. The state's got a new program. We're trying to get, you know, a little more better interpretation but on a led abatement, so there's possibility that the town could be eligible for some significant grant dollars for the water line replacements where you have galvanized pipes. So we're trying to move this quickly. It's first come, first served, and they do a good opportunity for the town. The other good news right now on the construction funds is the state is offering 30% or 25% loan subsidy on construction work. So that's relatively new. So that's also a great opportunity. Basically, the state has allowed the skipping of the step one pulling engineering. They've accepted the long-range plan that we went through last. That's typically about another five or six month windmill. They have agreed to allow us to jump right into the final design engineering, which is what the scope of services is based on. And primarily, when we get to the end of this phase of work, we've got all the contract documents. We've got all the permits in hand. We've got all the construction process that we're doing. We're helping you with all of this in all of next November. So when we're going through this, that includes all the field survey base working here. We're putting all the drawings together. We're putting the front-end bid documents together. Updating the construction costs for all these different pieces of work. Putting an updated schedule. We've got kind of multiple review meetings. We've already got schedule laid out. It starts this week to get you often ready to advertise your bids in January next year. So a lot to do here. We have to have 30, 69% review meetings with the town and the state. We have to do subsurface investigation of all the work. We need to understand if we're dealing with leadge, high ground water. So we've already got that scheduled in. That will be done this summer. And we need permit assistance here, too. We need a permit from the drinking water division. We need to work with the agency of transportation. We need a construction permit for the stormwater. We need to coordinate for that to 50. There's also archaeological write-offs. There's an environmental report that needs to be done for the whole project. It's part of the state environmental review process. We've also got bond assistance in here to help you with that for November. And we've also got even assistance. So many areas of work. We may not be completely withered and nutrient right away or the town right away. So we're going to identify places where you're maintaining the temporary. It's going to permit easements. It's going to help with your retirement. Primarily, a lot of the stuff moving forward will be working directly with tenant. We're getting a survey started on Wednesday. We spend the time at the field. So we can walk you through this. You can kind of show and give us some thoughts on that. So that's going to start pretty quickly there. Now, I know we have several individuals here. Some may be interested in some of the water master plan overview. Could you just... You just go over the... Last time we had a phasing sheet. Could you just go over the phasing sheet again? Just so some individual in the audience that may be wanting to hear about the water. So phase one is everything on Main Street. That also is kind of another subset of that as it requires we address the level controls of both of the storage tanks. And phase two includes the replacements on the crew and the driver. But for Densmore and phase three includes the replacements in the area of Liberty Stable and Avon Drive. And then in addition to that, the stage required to be inspected done in the full of our tank. That's going to be done by the tank manufacturer several from us. So the cost for that is included in the way of one application that you also have in part of your tonight consideration. I don't have any drawings, so it's kind of hard to put points in some of the phases, but I think everybody's probably familiar with the areas. And for some of the public, so we found out the last... Was it the last meeting we were at or the meeting before that? Yeah, it was probably at least some time ago. The phasing showed all three phases of the plan with the dollar figure. We'd since learned over the last half a month that there's some potential there's some potential money available through the state for a certain pipe that's already currently in the ground that we could get assistance on that, grant money. And some of the rooms that we did have in phase one, two, and three could potentially qualify for that money. The initial burden on the town could be reduced by quite a bit if we're able to take advantage of the grant money that's out there to fix certain pipes that are in the ground. But be aware that all these programs that Wayne's talking about are subsidies. So it is money that we will get in the beginning we have to front the money. Front it up, put it out, yes, and then it comes back to us later on. Some of the good things that we have going for ourselves is that we've already started this process and it's a fairly lengthy process to start. We've been working on this watermaster plan for a year and a half and we're in a unique situation right now that we're in the final design stage and anybody else that would want to take advantage of this grant money at this point would have to start at some stage six months behind us to get you going. If things go as planned and we're able to get the bond vote and move forward, the money is first come first served. And like Greg was saying how the system works is you pay for it up front, but then pieces of that you get reimbursed on the back end of things if it's qualified. Right. And there's also also right now there's is it interest free loan? Depending on the household income you qualify for a disadvantage subsidy so it could decrease your interest rate from 3% down to So there's an opportunity for us to see money on the interest as well and to think. Question? Does that mean that when you get the grants for this water stuff our water bills will go down instead of up? Well I can't tell you if things go up or down. If I get my water bill where's the money coming from? What we can tell you is that a lot of the trouble that we have with the current system if we leave the current system in place it costs extra money to sit out there every once in a while and dig it up and patch it and then it is to over the long period to have a new infrastructure in there. I know that but you were talking about the grants I just wanted to know are our taxes going to go down or are they going to go up with the more? Well overall in the short term our taxes are going to go up. We're going to have to go on for the cost to do the work. The taxes are watering. Right. And it's still a conversation for the board to have on the percentage on how much do the water users incur versus we can't shift the entire cost of the water users because it would make it very impractical to have a bill. Well it looks to me like you have according to I'm alone in my house. I'm the only one person and you mean to tell me that I use as much water as four or five people or four grown-ups in a home? No I don't and half the time I'm not there. I'm retired and I go away a lot. Yeah. But my bill went up. Yeah. Social security didn't it? What amazes me is that Barbara pays one equivalent unit and Bethel Mills pays a unit and a half. That amazes me. It's un-American. The way it is all I can say is I pay water just like you pay water. But you get a check every week. I get one a month. So you can't compare that to me. However you live your way is I'm not going to tell you how you should live. I'm not going to tell you how to live. What I want to say that you can feel good about is if you look at your water rate and compare that with your neighbors or maybe the average in Vermont you're not mine. I'm not comparing it to the average in Vermont. I'm comparing it to what I'm paying now. I understand that. And what people around me are paying. But the thing we have to understand is for so long it was town we have done exactly that. Let's see how cheap we can make it so that we can pay the least amount of water bill, the least amount of taxes, the least amount of anything. Meanwhile we let everything go by the wayside. We're not just talking water here. We're talking about everything. Water, it's sewer, it's roads, it's bridges, it's culverts, it's cleaning, it's everything. And that all comes with a cost. And what we would have seen if we had the foresight many years ago we can track the water thing all the way back to its existence is if we had done things correct all the way up through here overall our cost would be less than it is now. But when you're short-sighted all you have to do is see how cheap we can make everything in this town and we don't put money aside to do projects and to keep the infrastructure progressing in a positive manner now everything needs to be rebuilt. We didn't save any money. There's nothing. But how fair is that the people that are retired want to live in their own town? I understand that. But along our water rates in the town of Bepple have been severely reduced compared to any of our neighbors. If you go look at any of our neighbors we were paying half. I don't care about that. I understand we have to understand how this comes into it. I'm the one that I'm worried about. Let's just say had we been paying the exact same water bills as our neighbors we probably wouldn't be in this instance because we would have money and infrastructure as it needed. Instead when we put the blinders on for so long we fixed the holes we fixed the puddles and now we've got to the point right Janice now that we've got to the point where we've got to be out there digging up Janice's water and shutting off on her on Sundays that's not fair to the editor. What we have to do at this point is we have a good opportunity right now to take advantage of some financing options as well as grants and we've been working on this water plan for a year and a half to finally take advantage of this and put all these demons to bed and it is going to come to the cost there's no doubt about it everybody it comes in the cost short term it's going to come in the cost but long term and that's what we need to look at in this town is long term not short term discussions in this town we have to think long term not just you and I but your grandchildren my grandchildren everybody else's grandchildren since we're doing all of this now was there any thought of water meters so that people who use a lot of water will pay more and people like Barbara will pay less was there any thought of that since you have such wonderful financing available there has been very little discussion in regards to water meters at this point and not for the reason they think the construction that we're talking about right now if we do the work or don't do the work it doesn't have anything to do with water meters we're talking about the delivery service to our delivery service if we were going to talk so we can continue to have we're going to have a discussion and at some point once we get past some of this we are going to look at the options of because water meters is the billing end of this it's unfair to people like Barbara to have her pay one equivalent unit and not that I hate Bethel Mills but they pay a unit they have 35 employees they have to public come in they hose down the trucks they're using water all the time they pay a half more equivalent unit than Barbara does that's not right and I'm thinking that since you have all of this wonderful financing available why couldn't you include the $300,000 for water meters now and have it just one lump thing and do it as you go along what do we have to determine that that's the best possible action going forward for the town now we have done we have dug into the water meters in the past and what the water meters have told us is our current system is built on the EU so if I'm one EU I can wash my truck and throw it in my water and yes I might be paying the same amount as Bethel Mills however what we have determined by looking at some of the costs the potential model of looking at the water meters is we could get in a situation or it's likely that we would get in a situation where I put a meter on your house and you're going to be paying just as much if not more than you are now and then you're going to say I'm going to wash my car today I can't water my roof today because that's going to cost me $3.50 a gallon that's the issue to get into if you have those examples I would really like to sit down with you possibly Teresa and I would like you to explain how that works because in the court case that I had against the town I studied that at length and that wasn't my result of my study the first thing that is challenging on the water meter issue is the amount the limited amount of accounts that we have in the town of Bethel okay so you have to take how many accounts do we have in the town of Bethel three yeah it's a great 300 and change so you take 300 and change instantly you have to take $3,000 for your water meters just to purchase them then you're going to add the cost of maintenance of them and get that dollar figure and then divide it by 300 it's done electronically then you have to divide it by 300 accounts it's a very large sum of money to then be put onto the service because all we're talking about the thing is approximately 80% of our charge to the household right now is fixed that has nothing to do with water meters absolutely nothing so if we have water meters or not you're going to pay 80% of that that's for three equivalent units for four people explain to me how that is fair if I have four people living in the building and I pay three equivalent units which is double the amount that Bethel Mills pays that is not if you have an apartment building and you're going to rent it out to three individuals and you're going to have three separate households living on water that's the way it goes three separate households the amount of water that I use is so much less then Bethel Mills and I pay double what Bethel Mills pays that is not fair and I think water meters should be included in all of this because if you're going to finance $3 million then what's another $300,000 when you're financing at 0% currently we have not done the studies enough to see if moving forward with water meters is the way we want to go along I've done studies in your role then feel free feel free Janice feel free to hand the board because of the antiquated law that is in the state of Vermont because when I started out they said to me well we have hundreds of towns like this and I said well that's really too bad I live in Bethel so that's where we're going to start but that's why the law is still on the books because all of these other towns can't handle it it was the fact that the pipes and I was told this by somebody in the know that the pipes are scary in this town that was the technical term that was used and that's why you have to do it now right well feel free to hand over any information that you have we will and there are kind of two separate issues because we're talking about right now what we're talking about is the delivery of the things the other distinction is the majority of this work must be corrected it has a choice one meters are required so very important distinction between what's required here and what's not required it may not be required but it is there and we've made the promise to you Janice that we will look into looking at some of the different filling options last September so we started looking at remember you were here to someone we started looking at some options other options to build somebody made a comment about well we have to worry about the dishwashers in the apartments in Bethel well that person probably was never in an apartment in Bethel because there aren't no dishwashers so we will continue we will continue to as we have in the last year we will continue to look at other billable options in the town and I have told you that we will look at water meters if it makes sense to put water meters we'll do water meters if it makes sense we want to do what makes sense now right now regardless of how we're billing for it right now we're told from the state of Vermont that our billing system is fair what we need to work on is what the gentleman is here is to work on the delivery system because the delivery system is troublesome in the town that is very important and unfortunately it is burning us we are seeing our water our water rates have increased and we probably haven't seen the end of the increase but we're getting to a point where we can safely say on a Sunday we're not going to be out there fixing breaks we're not going to have to boil water for three days and we're going to right now hopefully take advantage of you know when you're talking a product that is in the million plus dollar taking advantage of low interest rates is a huge kickback to our town as well as the potential of maybe getting one of our three phases covered by grants so there's a good you know we're in a good spot right now and maybe we can use some of that money towards looking at water wages but right now right and I would just say if you have any information feel free to pass along to Therese or myself or any of the board members there will be more in line to look through that well then we just want to clarify so we're going all in an area for phases two and three the reason for that and hit the ground running you know that subsidy for goodness is first come first served they're going to be ready to go if for some reason you can't fund all of that or some portion that's going to be a slight poor decision that's followed you know what's in and what's not so we don't do that like work now and get a front of everything and you're not going to get any of that so we'll see we're out of here when we get our own fall and that's going to be strictly a poor decision phase one and two but you have to do phase one but if you want to do two and three we'll see what you're all going to put at that point anybody from the board have any questions in regards to the proposal or can't we do have camera Therese for Greg you guys have any questions nah we just need to get going that's all this is our best avenue we're actually if we'd have been ready this year the disadvantaged subsidy was so we've got to start decking around we've got to get it done so what do you need from us tonight well just I guess authorization for signature of Google engineering agreements I've got two original supers I've already signed them but I'm also here if you want to stick for the drinking water planning we'll have the patient do Greg do we need them to stick around and the other one yeah I think it's pretty straightforward it includes the request for the engineering portion plus the inspection of the Boulevard tank so he needs a motion to authorize me to sign thank you all of David we'll have to stick around for the application if you want to but it's all right we'll touch base with you on that tomorrow we'll give you our products and stuff that you have just the two you guys tell us if you can do one Greg what I'll do is bring it back and scan it tomorrow and I can send it back out to you guys and I'll send a copy of this at the same time so right now we're looking at an advertisement of January and then a Bonn vote in November that's because you're talking November 2019 do your Bonn vote and then 2020 for about 5 so we will probably need an informational meeting those are learning learning agreement and then when would we be hosting it August, September it's going to be within 10 days of the vote so the challenge we're having this year is there isn't a real election in November you can kind of pick whichever day you want to do the vote on you know you've got to do the 30 warns and everything the challenge we have is if you wait for March we're going to do the Bonn vote it's getting late to put it out the bit we're typically putting all this stuff that's when you get the best pricing so if you don't do the vote until March and next year then you get the 30 day kill period and you're putting it out late then you get the 30 day bit period so not open business until April and May on a product of this size it can affect the prices you know 50-20% what do you say you have to wait that 30 days after the election? to do the award so on November it's a good time this time I think sometimes non-election times are the best times so it's definitely going to be a big education piece about that so that'll be interesting so we'll be starting that discussion you know after public Labor Day weekend you can think about the date you know and we'll help put an information flyer we can have at least one information meeting you can have two if you choose to you're required to have one within 10 days and we can work with your Bonn council and kind of help you through that process I think once you're talking at some point and I'm not sure how far we've got with that full of conversation about the possibility of not putting the whole bond on just the water system but weren't you talking about still a conversation to be had about sending that so we'll have to wait with that and it depends on the language and the ordinance that's correct so it depends the Bonn warning is written pretty generally it's in the information itself that you probably want to be transparent to people and explain how you want to pay to that retirement which not required to put in there how you're going to pay for it by that I mean is it going on the water 100% is it going on the water some portion on the tax rate I do want to talk to that when we get to that point I totally understand the high water rates and I've been involved in this stuff here in the past over the years I've got to be a little careful about the tax rate I haven't had many bond votes not passed but that's an effective deal killer there's a bunch of reasons for that so we want to we can talk about those options when we get a little bit closer about the frozen cons before you go there as we get into getting too laterated in our follow-up we'll talk about that more I just kind of thought that they had a passing and it could be definitely a lot he's right with frozen cons but it's definitely you need to be able to educate the voters how you can pay for their vote yes on something it's definitely a good conversation to have and it could be just an exercise to figure out I mean I know we have to have our informational meeting within a lot of time but I guess I was thinking maybe if we're looking at November maybe in late September for some time in September we ought to dedicate a meeting I know we're getting into budgets and stuff but we ought to dedicate a meeting a meeting where we can advertise heavily for the public and I think we should target it more on the funding how we will be paying this back that way it allows us two months to get information back from the public so if we get a lot of information that says this could be a deal killer because of this percentage we're looking to put on the tax payers let's say we have some time to work on that before we go because if we do just an informational meeting 10 days before and we get some information back you're going to have some mailing this is a marathon you're going to have to do a mailing and kind of get people out there and want opinions and all that but it's a great process well I guess I'm just concerned being the history of the town here being in and around the board typically we don't have a very large participation until the vote for town meeting day and then we get a lot and I would hate for a lot of voters to be uninformed going for the voting pool so even if we had a couple of meetings even if they're not quote unquote the informational meeting we could have it on the agenda to make sure that people are well aware of what we're doing even before that in probably September we need to be talking about what's the funding that's available how much subsidy, how much forgiveness what's the interest rate like how big is the project is phase one and is it phase one and two because we need to kind of have those discussions to understand what you've got what the impact of the water rates and all that stuff being controlled that next discussion you know some other so that's probably something you know right out of the library that we should get into anyways okay alright thank you so we have an item we have the Brussels Graphics Property Math Agreement did you get three copies in your packet? yes I don't believe so it's the same thing they look the same Chase you don't have to hand me up with this no I just got a copy of the packet my guess is that she might have put it in and then when she scanned it she had a double side it just showed up a couple extra times so if we pass this I'll have you sign one of these and if we need the additional I don't know she wanted two signed because one goes to ours and one goes to Russell so I do think that if you approve we'll sign two copies so this is for our tax maps this is something we get done every year this is the gentleman who comes in it makes the revisions to our tax maps it's through all of our records permitting for that year and produces I think I believe this is two copies three sets of property maps yeah the big books they're really good maps we do some of the time this is the same gentleman that's been doing this for the last at least since I've been here I think it was two years before me so four years or so so this is just a continuation of that up till 2021 so this is a per year contract yes that cost is per year and that number sticks for three years and that number coincides with what we budgeted so actually I believe the same is what we went last time have we had any issues with does a great job he does a lot of missed calligraphy yeah he does not a lot of surveyors who used to do the tax maps but they're getting away from it but his name I don't see before me I think he does quality work yeah he does nice yeah he gives the maps in the book and we get a CD and everything so it's pretty quality work does he review current sales or not to update what these tax maps come with like yes so he's looking at the sales the permanences are going to be plastic that come in so he's trying to update not only the dimensions of the the parcels but the ownership of the parcels so this gives him the ability to come in to the course records and have free random records if you will to do his research he's been doing this for how long now at least two years before I started about four years so far I will tell you I know for a fact he's the property that I'm on not even close the what the dimensions the dimensions the way it looks well it could be that they're combined so if you've got on those tax maps those are not legal parcel maps so if you've got adjacent owners that both lots are all by the same owner those are combined for tax purposes so it may so don't take a tax map as everybody don't take a tax map as a boundary map not even close to the same thing tax map is for tax purposes only so you might have one giant lot that might in reality legally might be three or four lots owned by the same person it's just they're molded together for tax purposes it's actually a tax savings to the owner so that may be why it goes a little odd to you I would say because yeah I mean it shows me having a distinct piece of property I actually don't miss much is your property survey the part of the property I own is actually it was all surveyed well you shouldn't speak to a weed he comes and updates and maybe he missed something in your survey so definitely bring it to her any information that we can get additional will incorporate into it sure but that's what this is following the size of the property not the size of it maybe we'll get a few extra dollars at the end you're getting a lot pretty large alright so I would entertain a motion to enter into the agreement to have Russell graphics continue to produce our tax maps for 19, 20 and 21 so move second favorite as we were just talking about briefly with Alton's and Elliott the state revolving loan fund yep so that agreement that you just agreed to and signed this is the funding mechanism for that this is the step two drinking water loan I'm going to cover the design of phases one, two and three which are within that scope of services for the engineering that we just talked about so it's a state revolving fund loan that's the entity we're dealing with here but this will cover the next piece we utilize the same program for the water master plan so we're just piggybacking on that we also were able to roll the cost of the inspection for the tank up there is in this application as well which was kind of an oddity but they pushed the right buttons or engineers pushed the right buttons and I got them to cover that as well so I would entertain yes best of design that's the engineering design of phases one, two and three yeah out of this will come your final design and help out with with the loan itself and help out with the loan and some other ideas there's just the funding for the engineering services agreement and then from this the next step will be we apply for the construction of this and then it's all rolled into one all steps initially you roll them into one so this does require signatures from all of the board members if you choose to approve it I realized that this was made out some time ago but are we going to be in any fault by having your name still on this no no no it's going to be submitted tomorrow anyway are there any questions that I can ask Theresa do you have an opportunity to look through this I did some of the first for Craig he was a reference I'm not going to say I'm going to go through the whole thing I just did a piece for him but I think it's the same information that he did last time same thing we said it's basically a boilerplate tool to cement for that great so I would entertain a motion to accept the state-evolving loan program and sign just write you can grab it I know comments or regards to the people next on the agenda we had public works equipment discussion this is a continuous discussion we've had in the past about trying to utilize the capital improvement budget to get some equipment that we've been lacking in the past as well as trying to replace an equipment that's no longer good so I know work went out on this a little bit and he's been trying to get some quotes from different dealerships about what the resale and what we can do with that as well as options for trucks that we thought would be a little more adequate to handle the workload of camp work primarily for me and everything for Leonard and what he has found is I put this in your packet but it says international truck that he has found that is so part of the problem with these trucks is the availability so when you order a truck it takes a few months to get that thing put together you can take up to six months to get these trucks put together and outfitted and everything and get them to where they're usually so he has found a couple of these trucks in a dealership the cabin chassis and the bandsaw it would just need to have the cloud and the sand put together so he had asked us salesmen to give us some prices on these trucks, finished trucks with everything we needed so that we could talk about the board and I could talk about possibly replacing the one time with something like this so the one time I still got a couple more quotes to give the initial quote is is going to be it's going to be probably in the twenty to thirty thousand dollars it has some mechanical issues it's had mechanical issues since I think that they got it it's got some other that started to kind of show up as well so that's just for the chassis that's the whole thing that's the whole truck that's the truck with no sander and everything that's like you would be moving the equipment that's on the truck to this cabin chassis for that much for that much? I don't see the cloud or the sander or anything that's just the truck I've got a quote here in the email that I got after that that tells me everything yeah so the final price is completely packaged out as a hundred and ten thousand dollars that's completely raised so part of what the thought is is that so the Ford is going to be worth something thirty thousand dollars or whatever that's most likely going to be a trading value like most things a trading value is probably going to be higher in the cash value so part of what the process was is because we really don't have a truck that these guys can go right around here and go do smaller type jobs that don't require a dump truck or a one time would be to use whatever funds we get from that one time and trade that animal and use truck just to pick up a truck and then I've been working with the capital plan moving some things around trying to figure out how I would come up with a dollar and ten thousand dollars in the capital plan and that's that spreadsheet that I had put in your packet there shows what that would look like essentially what it does is it pushes the replacement of one of the blue dump trucks back that's how we make up that difference the other thing that's on here that you do not see is a replacement of the great which has been pushed back already this pushes that even further probably in the two thousand and twenty four so just wanted to kind of start the ball roll on this a little bit you know the big discussion that we all had was I think we all feel that the one ton is not the adequate piece of equipment to do the work up on can't grow because just judging by the mechanical issues that we've had with that truck day after day after day so just we're just brainstorming here as to a way that we might be able to remove things around get the equipment you know we'll do the job up there we'll last longer as well as get the public works department something so they're not driving as there are larger trucks that can come around a used half ton pickup or something like that is something that they can use to go out and do signs they can do some powerful work they can do the smaller stuff that they would do drive the back ribs to monitor for the work that they need to do or whatever right now that one ton is being used all winter up and down can't grow and down in the village here as well as a go around for everything sometimes and it's just mechanically it's just not holding up to all that that's the one ton that's the one ton so that's what we're proposing here it's possible I mean the rotation on the old rotation on typically should be 7 years and this is pushing them back to 13 to 21 so that's an 8 year on one and a 9 year on the other and again that doesn't put the grade right here now there's a couple things that can be changed on this this is assuming that the appropriation stays the same every year and it's just it stays the same every year that could go up to try to cover this a little more quickly the grader is going to be I don't know what's a new grader 250 350 yeah but it's a foregone conclusion that the equipment that we're using some of the equipment that we're using up at the shop isn't any good and it's killing us we've had so much lost revenue or lost money just in downtime and mechanical issues even the stuff that's covered with the one ton by the you know being under warranty we still have the time to downtime with the truck we have the man hours to get that thing up there and get it back down so just looking at options some sort of an option to try to get something that might work for us up there and last longer as well as give these guys something or get something for the fork I just I don't know what the cash value that for it's going to be I think we'd be better off trying to get another piece of equipment for it as opposed to just getting cash for it but that is an option that's something that when these estimators come out they could I'm sure we'll give us a cash price as well as a trade value just want to get it out there this was my kind of quick and dirty as far as how to make this work but it has to it's inevitable so I mean I looking through it I mean I completely agree that on some of our equipment pieces we've been again very short-sighted on replacing them over a period of time and like we saw this winter we went through a very large maintenance bill which you know isn't sustainable going forward and we can't continue to shell out the type of bills we were but what it makes it hard for me right now to stand behind any type of piece of equipment not knowing being that we haven't sat down to deal with how our winter maintenance is going to look like and I think some of my concerns anyways are the reason why certain pieces of our equipment are in the state that they are in and this is not just your tenure here but ten years before is the work that we're doing with these pieces and some of these pieces are not we should not be plowing you know up Camp Brook Road with one-time truck and that just doesn't make any sense any one-time truck that plows up Camp Brook Road's life is going to be drastically reduced I mean that's just my opinion but I think this might be the this might be the resolve that we need but until we have that conversation on what this winter maintenance schedule or how we're going to shift trucks around looks like so that we can ensure going forward we have the right piece of equipment for the right job it's hard for me to get behind this because I didn't know if this is the right piece of equipment I do know that there are certain pieces of equipment that need to be retired and this is one of them because it's costing us a lot of money but I just don't know like you know is this the right piece of equipment should we be looking for something bigger could we be looking for something other than at all I don't know but what is the I have a it's over one time it's rated for the exact same thing and that can't work for weight ratings this is half of the half as far as the load that it all has to work that it does we suggested a six wheeler dump truck to Plough came through that has two thirds more of the weight rating than that I think that's an option that could do with that and I understand brings concerns if we don't if we delay an action let's say this is the right piece of equipment and we do delay that we could put ourselves in a position where we may not get it before snow flies and you could be in a position of being down a piece of equipment and being a tough winner for us but we have one time a lot of this but I think I think we need to and I know we've been meaning to have the discussion but we've had various other things that have popped up recently like the flood that has taken precedence over it but I think until we sit down with the public works employees and have that conversation on what does our plan look like for next winter where we see certain pieces of equipment plowing and not plowing what material we're going to put on our roads I think until we have that discussion it's hard for us to figure out you know big truck road truck somewhere between this sander and that sander you know I mean that's just my thought why are we plowing our biggest road with one of our smallest trucks that I don't understand that's our biggest road the other ones we've got so they're usually salt on cantaloupe and so the bigger trucks are all run on the dirt and honestly that's the way it was always done but I don't know that the one time they do the dirt roads I mean you're pushing the same amount of snow as you are everywhere else but that's my point maybe we can move trucks around to better utilize what we have or maybe we need another bigger truck I don't know what the solution is other than I think we're kind of putting the cart in front of the horse if we want to purchase something or we actually know what our plan and attack is for not just this winner but then beyond but we also need to but we know we don't have to do something we need to we don't want to rush into buying something no we're talking $115,000 piece of equipment and not just to mention this but we could counteract when we can purchase our next brake liners which we know are very critical to plowing as well as a greater which we pushed back last year and now we would be pushing back again and that needs to be replaced soon too I think at this point regardless of what happens tomorrow you know if we get another flood tomorrow I think we need to make we need to come in here and have a discussion in regards to the winter plan and figure out what that's going to look like and then if we need to purchase piece of equipment to meet that then we need to take action on that but I mean I could it sounds like the one time there's not much to do I think it's given that the one time that we some I'm sure trees could pull something shows how many thousands or tens of thousands of dollars we put in that thing and it's probably pretty scary it probably needs to be bought by but what do we replace it with do we need another big truck I don't know what that is but I think we need to I know we have we're finishing up the team of stuff we're going to have some sort of interim management here but I think we need to push this agenda through quickly because we are almost to July you know and I hate to say it but you know the days seem to go a little shorter once you get over that July first and when are we doing it before we know it did we look at a truck that's similar to a dumpster I think that's what we're talking about over here 4600 just a little pro a dump right how do you match the 4300 and the 4600 that's what this is that is equivalent to our 550 that we have now it's on a little thicker frame it's a little it's of the size of that truck but it's the same size but it's all third of that truck but I think I mean we obviously need to have the talk I mean yes this past winter was a very difficult one and let's hope that we usually aren't but you know we need to have that discussion not just on the equipment we need to use for this winter but also what our practices will be on material for the roads and you know because this past winter I mean we were a hundred and I don't know around about just over a hundred thousand dollars an extra winter cost and that's a combination of material and fuel and breakdowns and overtime and you know so we I think we need to have that discussion sooner rather than later what we're putting on the road is dictates you know the one of the most dangerous because it was what had solved and that kind of no matter changed things around it I don't know what the board wants to do with this we had the discussion guys and we had a little get together there a few months ago and I wrote policy too whether we're going to have a cleaner road policy or a safe road policy or whatever do you have to put on every road three every three hours or every five and a half hours once a day I think there's a lot of conversations to be had I mean we clearly need to do something on multiple fronts not just equipment but you know right equipment for the job organize public works and invite them into the next meeting that we have on the 24th and start that discussion on how does that I mean again I think we talked about as a board that we didn't really want to make a policy we want to have a maintenance schedule I mean this is not something we say Jason what are you doing with the assault you can't use that but it allows you know it gives direction this is kind of the way the town would like to do things rather than let's just use all first and say in a second or let's plow came for a road with a one ton versus one of the heavier trucks how does that look good not to kill a good idea probably is a good idea that we need to get something I just don't know what it is good to go no I didn't even know so anytime you want to come in and talk about the one time individually just so you can understand why we time frame but I get we'll set that up for the 24th we'll help the highway boys come in I think we can put something together Jason you and your peers on we'll make it happen we'll make it happen so let's do that for the 24th we'll have that discussion alright any further discussion we have made it I know we called it we called EWP program right we'd add this to the agenda because do you want to do Betty Danford said that she's waiting to make changes to the minute do you want to I don't think you can make any longer everybody did with it you had she used to the minutes it mentioned that the scandal headstone it's not the scandal headstone it's the lot next to us to the south it's a much taller headstone and that one has fallen over and I'm sorry people that have that cemetery lot ours is going to at some point but it's a much shorter stone so it doesn't have the gravity that's going to tip it as quickly and also it said did you get that Lisa did you get that there's no longer access to the cemetery to the cemetery because of the ditches and then it said except from Kirk's Road there's no access to the cemetery from Kirk's Road you can simply pull your cars on to Kirk's Road to get out off of Christian Hill but if you follow that road straight out that's where you'll find those other three culverts I didn't say you could park there forever I'm just saying I pulled in and I did I parked and then I backed back out on Kirk's Road is that Christian Hill is that a road that goes up a course like up his driveway or something no it goes right parallel to the cemetery tree line is it a private road yes are those our culverts are the towns or is yes I think I don't know they should have been permitted to this time they allowed him to put that road in so he okay it goes completely parallel right across the top of the more than part of the cemetery and it dumped originally four culverts one is the first one you see that's what I think we're talking about so there were three others past that if you walk out through you have to beat the bushes so these are three or four private culverts on a road that probably isn't supposed to be there in the first place yes and they all discharged right on to see the culverts gotcha that's why I said it's going to be a little yes it's going to be a little sensitive but the other one we'll be able to take care of it pretty quickly that's one that's going to take a little effort thank you but now I know you got that trees thank you all unfortunately me too while we're on the select board minutes is there any other corrections thank you all in favor thank you for coming alright we will go back to the emergency watershed protection plan in late today something that we do have to act on so we'll just give a brief overview of that we just found out that the cutout was June 15th so we found that out today so we have at least one resident who will possibly qualify for this and I talked to Michael and he's the one who runs the program what he said is basically the letter the only thing we're committing to by this letter is the fact that he's he or one of his people will come out and we are guaranteeing that someone from the town will show him where this property is and he'll take a look at it I also spoke to Jason Bohr who's the river guru he said yes he thought that this property would qualify because there's specific requirements and one of Jaren's comments was you know trees I think you should go ahead with it there's a lot of flood damages and you might as well go through this process at least once with one person before another time another flood event or rain event and you have a bunch of people at once so what happens is with this program the resident is eligible for funding up to 75% from the feds and then they're on the hook well so we are, we're the sponsors 25% balance of that as well as the you know O&M for the next 10 years however what we can do is we can enter an agreement with the landowner and require them to pay the 25% and we can transfer the 10 year O&M to them and he said that Michael said a lot of people do that that owner of this property was also said he knew he would pay the 25% he knew he was responsible for the maintenance but it's specific it has to be, it's not just if your stream bank has eroded and you lost 2 feet if you have a degree on your lawn that isn't going to help you this is only if another event is going to take out a barn or a road or your home or then they can come in and basically it's just erosion prevention so I see the town incurring a little bit of legal costs to get the attorney to draft the open agreement that says this person is going to pay for the 25% they're up front or whatever and they're going to do the O&M the maintenance on it other than that it would it allows the resident if we don't sponsor this they're not going to get the 75% which you know could affect one of our roads I'm not sure where this gentleman's property is exactly I'm not sure did you go? it's a sheer cliff that's eroding it's being undercut and it's probably 30 to 35 feet away from our road so if it continues the way it is it'll reach anything and so we would be responsible for putting the project out to bed but the good thing is that this program they have a plan they come out and they will give us the plan on how to build the engineering so they did the engineering we put it out they do have someone who oversees the project and also the road foreman would have to keep an eye on it as well but the only thing they don't do is like if there's any cost overrun but he said in his experience of doing this the most he ever had was like $3 and some change for scene and the owner picked it up so I'm sorry it was just such a short notice but you know, Wright had him go to Two Rivers which makes sense but Two Rivers didn't tell us that there was a deadline on this so we just got the information you know all this EWP brought from Florida and all this other stuff we just barely got this stuff so that's is that from Jaren who says that we do it obviously the resident might make sense if we can do it with one person and if we got the legal template to do the get him to pay the 25% and the O&E if we had another event which is Bethel we would have had these things hashed out had the legal agreement done and it's really the only thing that we can do to assist the resident so you're just looking for the approval on seeing if we want to offer the program anyone that may be is for you to sign the letter right and then so far we just have one person and then there is a little flyer and I put some on the table about the emergency protection program we could have Kelly and a lot of people know there are specific things that you know that can qualify it's not like every issue is not going to qualify for this or Jaren I asked him if he was aware then at this point he said no this is the only one and he's talking to the same people that I have so the others probably aren't even going to maybe there's some requirement there not so that's the only thing the letter by motion to have Chris sign the letter is that we're going to have to send somebody out there with us when this gentleman shows up to show him the property and then he'll look at it and let us know if it qualifies and if it qualifies then we move forward and you know we get the town attorney to drop the a template and then we have it for the future and we also understand how the program works with just one person instead of several it would be nice there's a time frame artist at 15 yeah Saturday so it's I'm sorry so it's either you're up we're not either you're willing to at least get us, get him to the next step or there'll be another discussion of cost etc but I just want you to know if you agree to go any further that's what I see you can paint I see you is a little bit staffed on the thing out of bid and the legal cost of the contract further discussion or questions or comments from the board so they'll come out and they'll do the engineering come up with a dollar figure and then the owner of the property would have to sign off on 20% by payments or from or whatever from exactly and then they also would transfer our obligation to maintain it for 10 years to the owner as well and if this owner is willing to do those things if you have another owner it wasn't them they wouldn't participate but if he refuses to pay the 25% can we back out yes because this has the only thing that this has is going to bind us to that someone's going to go meet this gentleman and show him this property he'll meet there with the homeowner but the homeowner already he said he would because that's a good deal for him he can get this work done and save the structure or whatever for 25% that's the best deal he can make we're not stuck in the 20% no you would have to transfer it so that he doesn't obligate us to anything that might go for one of his staff members to come out can you make the motion where you authorize Chris? is that the document? is that it? yeah all in favor? there's more buyers out there there's one more there's not are you? yeah I'm hoping to start training we have a chance to review the Constable's report see you guys I guess the the only question I have with the Constable's report I guess I was expecting it to look similar to the old this is just the incident reports that you want to give you let you know what's going to go there's going to be more to it eventually more of a kind of an itemized list of what so eventually the reports will look similar to what we were getting prior but they also want to give you incident reports so that you know what's actually happening as well not just this plate number he wants to show that there's more going right and does he is he going to continue to at some point he'll be saying I'll say a generalized report and an incident report and what's the feedback that so far from Oscar you had to be back from the community or not a lot so what I have heard has been positive I haven't heard anything negative at this point I don't know if anybody else has heard anything but I haven't heard a lot other than what I said what I have heard has been good I already know it's good for my school today I know so we'll be able to last now here we are yeah that person never came back it looked like it was abandoned yeah so no I haven't heard any of that there's no news of goodness Kenny had come in one day and I was doing something Kelly and she came in and said that she was really tickled because he'd come to the businesses and introduce themselves and stuff and she was really tickled and he'd done that I know we've heard from her yeah that was one of the areas that we had pressed upon was to make sure you got that community present like he made an appointment to introduce himself just about every business I think he went down to the hospital and introduced me down there so yeah I think he's doing really well he's just kind of getting this he's done everything a little bit getting the things that he needs he's put a little desk back by me now so he's got a workstation and all that it's definitely different than what we had before it's a lot more professional my packet is different than anybody else's the all I had was just the it's always four minutes in there mm-hmm anything pressing or no they're still looking for a bookkeeper yeah, see that this is a month old this is just a question and have they started the front I think we had talked there a month or two ago about was Chet going to retire yeah are they in the process of hiring well that was on the agenda some people want to hire a bookkeeper that can paint over the manager but I don't think the qualifications are there does it sound like and I know through this whole process here over the last four years initially you know not to talk bad about Chet but we filled the position with not the exact qualifications that the position required so this time around are we looking to fulfill the requirements because it kind of with that comment it kind of sounded like maybe they're kind of looking to a bookkeeper that then could manage the facility they just saw pictures of flanks that's so they updated Chet's job description like it has Chet updated recently so that when you put it out that you have you know nobody better write the job description than Chet right well the interlocal agreement pretty much dictates that's what his job description is Chet's the one that would recommend to a manager so maybe he's not even looking at the job qualifications that's in the law and again the reason why we're in the position that we're in is when the interlocal agreement was originated you know it clearly states the the position that is needed for to do the job there that wasn't quite followed through to write and I know some of the arguments from you and I as well as some of the board members that were here that aren't here anymore was that things wouldn't run the way they should there had we had the right qualifications to do the job so I wonder and it sounds like right now that maybe we're not heading in the right direction again we will be what's the status of the interlocal agreement there was a lot of talk about it a bunch for a little while and then we're waiting on a feasibility study right and supposedly we've got somebody doing it right now oh is that the business plan that Megan's writing that's what you're waiting for I wasn't sure there was a lot of flurry of activity I wasn't sure yeah it's been about two years there's a lot of difference in opinions when it comes to that I was just there you have to chat about the business plan once you're talking about it I think this is a great opportunity you know I mean chat's a good guy I think it's a great opportunity to get the right qualifications for that job and it could put everything else to bed there rather than have to go through this whole changing things around here because things should flow wrapped given the right tools there they now have to go through all this so I just hope that what we're looking at but I bet you could slay the one one of the others are we going to buy your dinner are we due to have another sit down with the marotin board to catch up you can just take that we usually have one a year so I'm just doing it we must be doing it you know he's not even on the board well if it gets to the point where we might need to have a sit down let's know who's the chair let's know if it gets to the point where we need to have a sit down I mean I think it's a good opportunity to get the right qualified individual in there alright see do we have any other business to come before the board I think I was curious did you have a chance to talk to about the Calgary Memorial hello Mr. Kitchen I have an idea I want to meet you out tonight I was actually on my list yeah I got that I don't know if anybody's going to look at it there's always not anything it'd be good if we could get back to Jack yeah I'll get a hold of it and then the conflict of interest policy it has to be done by Bill July 1st yeah I finished it tonight actually but it's a conflict of interest for federal money only so there's no sense to leave yours alone and I wrote one to separate that was her recommendation so is this like an amendment to our current one or is it an old general policy it's going to be an old general policy what happened is because the fire department we applied for a grant and it looked like we were good and when they looked at the conflict of interest policy they said it didn't adhere to the federal code of regulation 200 sections which was fine so they sent this information and it's their recommendation was to just you could make one just separate but on my app I was going to have it done but I didn't and the ELTC has a has a model conflict of interest but it's not yes that's the problem it doesn't work because I choose a right to jail and let her know there's just great but for federal money so in your model financial policy is really just public financial policy sorry not financial is public official so this can't be that and in the ELCT draft which is one that adopted it said you may take disciplinary action so you know there's some sort of thing so I finished it today actually tonight in between and then sent it to Jordan the state review to see if that's going to meet you know I reviewed all of the sections and I even took some of the stuff right out of the federal right and put it into the conflict of interest policy so it's going to be a totally separate thing and we just had to have a draft and take action or draft to them by human being so we'll see that yeah we'll see what Jordan has for tweaks and then and then yeah so it wasn't I thought about amending but I'm like employees get a little nervous if you start the ELCT it's very good anything else any questions second all David now depending on second so depending depending on depending on what comes out of the executive session we may go back in the public session to make the motion and we'll give you that information on Instagram