 close enough to 1700 hours and call this meeting to order doing is not able to be with us tonight so you stuck with us first thing I just want to mention as we always do is this meeting has been posted now three appropriate places so we're legally warned and we have a copy of the last minutes here we have both gone over and I don't find anything yes define the se group I wasn't sure what se stood for it that would be in the moment project they're talking about in the minutes but we're in a minute yes the se group oh okay se group I know what this group is let me find it I have to go back to the Orca media video what page would ever be on the last page page the last page page that's just the name of their company yeah yeah thanks name of a company but I don't know what it stands for a private company they wouldn't have been paid no no because they were awarded five companies that was awarded study economic study the economic study so that's different than not an environment person group that there was four people that were in the board that hired that company and what board is that well it's the board the zoom was on the board for the velma project okay and this is it says here the town of Rochester is spearheaded spearheaded that group is that I'm just trying to not necessarily not necessarily the four person group is how did that for four person group form it was a board it was a four person group chosen by the velma hot will they belemont no there was four there was part of the velma they're one of the parties that makes up the velma project and so they they had four people they designated and those four people were a committee that hired that firm to do an economic study yeah they're thinking about that economic study I don't think that we have the study right they were just chosen recently right okay so so this how the paper writes it to is formal approval of the economic projects study from the s.e. group the board has gave its formal approval I think it was the economic project it was a bid process process and s.e. group one the bid to do the study from this group the velma group they put that we're out to bid I'm just trying to understand the relationship of the town with the group okay because basically I mean one respect you know what we're doing is as a sledboard this formal this is part of approving the minutes or we've gone it well you're these and I was just confused about you know okay because I wasn't sure how it related video from our last meeting okay okay it's all good so I guess my question is just real quick is so by formalizing this we are recognizing that the board represents all the voters and this is what we had voted about a year ago we voted to support this the moving forward of this project which is so to killing time so there was it yes yeah yeah I'm not sure it might have been one of the boys but that goes back quite a way first absolutely not they came here in person and did a presentation to us in addition to that's right it was a good presentation okay back to the presentation okay I suppose I make a motion that we accept these as written I think they're quite quite well detailed I think Julie did a great job I second all favor hi okay I know Mason you just spoke but is there anybody else here that has anything else they want to add we don't have anything currently on the agenda at the moment yes sir for the agenda for the agenda yes I would like to for next select board meeting I'd like to put on the agenda a discussion of new ways to fund our the recreation park a discussion on looking at other ways for funding to just to fund the park the recreation park budgets the tennis courts for example as opposed to the way we're doing it now as opposed to taxpayer dollars correct okay do you think and perhaps a discussion of maybe some new creative ideas for generating revenue to help these projects so noted yep okay for a question anybody else at the moment we have we have Joan here today and I'll just bet she has an update for us it's real short and sweet run pretty much all I'm doing is female so how are those 24 sites going well there's an you know as you know it's door going on now there's plans for a number of those sites to go out to bid in spring for completion okay meanwhile it's just a ton of information that has to be put together and then uploaded to the FEMA site and then we have you've been having regular meetings with FEMA our main female representative who helps us in the process of putting all that information together and helping us get into the portal and submit everything that's required okay and it's just okay is there a list of those sites available here I could put together a list we don't have a map but glad to give you a list there could be a list here at the office I'd be interested in seeing it okay okay all right the highway department is not here tonight however I did speak with Cooter about how things are going play of late and I don't believe we have any catastrophes and he seems to be pretty pleased with way things are going since we haven't had we kind of have a little downtime as far as snow they've been doing internal maintenance on the machines and fixing things that he did it a broken so that's all I have to report for the road crew or somebody else has something that everything seems to be going fine Terry bring it on let's have it well had a bad water leak a week ago where it ended up finding it in the school yard after three days where it happened on Wednesday it let go where in the schoolyard well six feet from fire hydrant the six inch line bro it didn't break completely but it was cracked three quarters the way around it and it must have been cracked for a long long time this isn't near the fire hydrant it was not operable was it yeah it wasn't made any different no I know I'm just trying to make sure I know that a lot and what it looks like I'd say it probably been cracked for a week figure probably a year okay you know and just there's probably an inch worth of rust buildup on the top part but it wouldn't surface and all sudden it released because I went from an extra 30,000 gallons a day so then I started because of during the last warm-up spell we had so I figured somebody's house had froze and when it warmed up it let go so I didn't hand we called everybody I went door to door on a lot of them and then I got patty on how's it she knew when it was Friday I think before we got a hold of the last one to get into his house I see and then I called northeast rural water which we're a member of and they got a guy to come for free because it's all covered in our I think cost us a couple hundred bucks a year for that and he came we went around around and finally with his new machine he figured out that if we can work at the school close that hydrant and by then it was late in the day Thursday and he couldn't be there right more than what we had to dig couple boxes we couldn't get the covers off so we got them off and put the wrench on and then we figured out which line it was on the map in front doesn't really show you what things go to the one that thought went to grade school goes to the high school and that hydrant which we're lucky because I you know met with a principal and the worker there and we were able to shut it off he came back Friday afternoon and put his device on he put on each end and it takes a data for a little bit and then you measure mark pipe measures that and then measures the side has a size of pipe and he plugs it into his computer and it tells you where the leak is and he was within a foot but the sad part is we shut turning on and off like three or four times so we could make sure we weren't shutting this grade school down because we're gonna fix it on Monday as was Friday afternoon and last Saturday it rained like cats and dogs so we didn't I said I'm not gonna do it on Saturday especially since I could shut it off and then we called the spring court company and everything else because it would probably set a learn off a little pressure and anyway we dug it up I didn't know what side pipe it was come find out six inch and then I ran got parts why they cut it out and they had a new piece pipe already saw I do sleep I put two couplings instead of replacing it all the way back it looks like me that hydrant has tipped a little bit in 30 years okay so I put like two dresser couplings on there so it's got a little bit of play okay so I figured that way we won't that little bit till we'll absorb it in those two couplings we cut out like four feet of it and got beyond you know straight all down good fired it back up and had it all couldn't it was in a good place but it didn't surface until the guy was picking up this stuff and I think it started leaking worse because we shut turning on and off cause hammer okay and then cuz Friday night in the Saturday morning from time I read Friday morning to Saturday morning we'd used a hundred thousand gallons and we are normal about 33 to 35 so they they didn't have anything going on the afternoon Saturday so I was able to shut the holes I shut high school down at one o'clock on Saturday then Sunday morning I don't use like 50,000 so Monday it was back to normal okay okay so but the sad part was like went all over town trying to find the lead and we're saying is because it rains so much before yeah oh gosh okay so you know what that doesn't make it easier yeah it just made sense if you're near the Brooks picks out up so it makes it you know he was here Thursday afternoon all afternoon and then we got it where we felt somewhere near and then he said he'd be back Friday and he was able to pinpoint it okay he makes that as well worth of 200 bucks you know Adam won't save us more than that but you got a new device it it worked really slick is there any reason to check the reservoir oh I've checked in that study okay it's all read the reservoir didn't ever go below the lowest that I mean we never that's an alarm for that right but I also go up check make sure read correctly so it's all fixed and working well we flushed the hydrants real good flushed it good and also got the alarm going off good okay and went into school and flushed all that good what about the the hydrant that's down on down by tennis courts is that fixed yeah brand new brand new okay we took about brand new and put it in there we took practice off the old one put it down there got it okay good so that's on the right two grand yeah two thousand for a hundred so I'm trying to not yeah might as well save it okay so all the hydrants in town are fully operational oh yeah no issues okay we flushed them all they all work good turned out okay well thank you and I flushed that I flushed the dead ends a little bit more often just fussing in the fall the dead end runs okay just people only use enough water on all this okay we feel candy drive up by my arches this one over here really bad okay do we have any any known issues with the sewer system no okay this most recent leak was definitely on the town system not the school system yes main okay now does anyone here have a question for Terry about water or sewer okay all right does anyone else have a question for Joan okay all right now I see we got two new people walked in I personally don't know you I don't maybe you to know Bruce Marshall and Jeanine here 216 lower meadow road lower meadow okay okay I don't even know what that is okay yep so and we've looked in Rochester since two thousand 1998 what 1998 okay and we are coming here pursuant to a breach of our personal information our social security numbers have come up in a way that was quite shocking to us and it came through a property transfer tax return that we had filed with the town and we recently got the day before Thanksgiving a lawsuit filed by Evan Chadwick for Lyman Paul Incorporated and in that there's our social security numbers unredacted that is also gone up on to the on the docket the docket unredacted by the courts and unredacted by my by Evan Chadwick so we're here to ask what are the protocols of sensitive information we have had a you know so it's just there are various laws in terms of dealing with identity and our personal data breaches I mean Chadwick definitely had a professional responsibility to redact the information before we were served and the PTTR that you provided yes had your social security and I I I'm pretty sure I blacked that out the other day okay because that's what what that's what we're told as a clerk to do right but someone he got it so we talked to them on your office and they said they absolutely never give out any of that information to other people you know plus plus he should have as a lawyer I mean I've taken something to court myself and I knew that I needed to redact someone's social security number as one of the exhibits I'm not a lawyer so we feel that one the lawsuit in itself is a is a intimidation plus we don't feel safe of where we live there that other people might be getting our social security numbers now we know that they're out in the public in way that we don't feel safe that's why we're here because we want to know what are what are the what are the you know what are the protocols here and why how did this breach happen and it happened somehow because it's out there and we have the evidence and so that's our that's our concern and we also bring it up to the board of civil authority is potentially another board of the town that might be concerned with us and I'm sure this will not go away so so easily I mean we're gonna talk to the attorney general's office and other things in order to try to find out what's going on but we do feel you know a certain level of violation that has gone on by the fact that you know we receive a lawsuit the day before Thanksgiving and hey our social security numbers are open plus someone else's social security number he's on here as well and obviously Chadwick has his own responsibility here that is Chadwick's responsibility only but we are can we are concerned about what happens here because you know we've been very seriously defrauded before and it's taken a huge toll in our lives and we just we don't feel safe we climb and follow having this information honestly I mean there's ethical weaknesses with that and we love that but there's serious ethical weaknesses with that and we just you know we want to know what's going on well let's see your original property transfer return was filed you're saying in 1998 okay this is a very recent one okay you've just been here since 1998 okay yeah that's our introduction well this is a new one well I mean the clerk whenever she files anything you know personal information such as social security numbers credit card information all of that is is blacked out if it's present at all yeah often it shouldn't be but the thing about social security numbers are very easy to get unfortunately it's very easy to obtain a social security I mean there's a lot of there are a lot of waltz out there and there are efforts people may or right you know it's a matter of everyone doing their best right you know as long as things are redacted and people are careful if someone asked to see information if people you know are coming in and have access to records on their own without talking to the class I mean I just got a couple yeah we get calls every day someone you know these robot calls that are I do too so social security numbers I mean I talked to wears oh yeah not such a big thing anymore because they're out there but I feel that that becomes the equivocation when you look at the fact that also we have you know various federal and state laws that have been put forward about you know identity theft and various things I mean this someone who's who's who's adapt can you know certainly cause trouble in one's life getting certain I seriously defrauded by people and we couldn't get their social security numbers just because we had evidence of fraud I mean it's not so easy as you think and there are a lot of laws that are trying to control this stuff because you can't do so much damage with someone's social security number and it's frightening to us dealing with Lyman Hall and knowing that honestly like there's really good people who live there and there's a lot of great people there now and there's a lot of people who live there over time but there's also some people who have some serious ethical weaknesses who've worked with Lyman Hall to do some pretty you know various things that honestly make us really uncomfortable and to think that they could all be going on the docket and getting this information makes us uncomfortable and we just like think that there needs to be more care taken that as soon as you know paperwork is taken in that you know it be dealt with appropriately things reacted quickly that people can't just come in and wander and look at papers with people's social security numbers to either the lawyer could just come in or someone from the office could come in and oh let's look at the files here oh here's their file pull it out make a photocopy and walk out and then you know put forward a lawsuit which is basically a nuisance lawsuit and you know oh by the way here here's that which felt like sort of a you know right a bit of a kick I mean it's basically that type it's like a it's sort of violation of your yeah exactly your space yeah that's what we're coming here what we don't I don't know the protocols that I mean I'll have the town hall you know totally works I know that there are files that all who can come in and look at things and stuff then there's there's certain things that I you know if I give my social security number to the government I expect that you know that's the government they're not going to sell it on the open market you know and or just give it away to someone who's a neighbor or something and that's that becomes the problem so that's all we're bringing forward that this is this has happened we have these issues you know and there needs to be some care taken because in Long Peel here when we talked to them about the transfer tax return they were like oh absolutely not no one gets that information it's not public record so you know it could only have come from here so it's just like we're just saying you guys really need to be careful and we'd like to know how this happened because there needs to be more care taken to make sure because honestly a lot of lawyers just you really have to watch it I mean with some people there's a lot of fraud out there I mean until we were seriously defrauded we had no idea how much fraud is out there but there's actually quite a lot it's not just people making little robo calls I mean we've had law enforcement people and lawyers basically give us a parameters of fraud and how fraud can happen and how fraud is basically overlooked or how you can basically be caught between various agencies so you don't even actually know well that's not us or this isn't us so this is you know it's not under our purview or something like that and so it becomes a very much difficult what he's saying is this culture enables and promotes fraud and they really do to feed the legal profession because the more fraud that goes around more the legal profession can sharpen before they let me and so the laws you know because we've spent three years like trying to be our own pro-state lawyers studying the law trying to protect ourselves from people who ran off to Texas defraud us and run to Texas and you see the laws it's all like supporting fraudsters a lot of it because that's how you know lawyers make money and that's how the legal system makes money because fraudsters have money and they hide it and they can pay for lawyers and then the victims don't have that so when you look up you know people who support white collar crimes you'll find lots of lawyers who will fight for white collar criminals and you'll find very few people who will fight for victims and it's it's not good and there needs to be more protections of things like social security numbers because otherwise it just feeds the whole racket it's just an old boys network and a criminal racket that's taken over this country and the founding documents of this country need to be respected and they're not respected into a large degree because it becomes about criminal racketeers who just are into making lots of money in a country that's become hyper materialistic and there needs to be a return to what this country was supposed to be with the founding fathers are we looking maybe to have some explanation or something where we know what we did well this is coming on to the agenda now can't make any decision I couldn't I couldn't tell you where the if there is a leak from the town office I could not tell you where that might happen I don't know of any place where that might happen I just don't know we'd have to do a little bit of an investigation which we will property tax return are those tax return TTRs like anyone just go in and see them and then get their public record they've done electronically now so the real estate lawyer files that electronically so we did it for a day so physically which is what the right electronic version just started like a year ago I would say probably about eight years ago was when the redacted rule really came into effect so documents prior to that may still have data on them and shouldn't though I think they've been told yeah anytime you see that you got a black it out yeah it was it was done on a voluntary basis for several years before it became a law so and as well as credit card numbers they all came in about the same so you know we have complied and it's not that now at days we get them and this information's not on there when you're talking about you're talking about different situations saying the fraud thing is not happening now there's a lawsuit now and fraud is that all happening to you right now well actually yes okay but we were okay in terms of fraud we were making an in general observation about okay how things work in this country okay okay now I just wanted to be clear I thought you had a situation where you're being you had a fraud situation in the past it's still not going I mean legal situations often don't resolve quickly okay but in terms of Lyman Hall they've recently sued us and that's recent that it's gone on the docket with lawyer chat with putting our social security number publicly on the docket so that's why we came here okay yeah I mean that we can't really speak to but as far as our records I'm you know I'm not I don't know I don't believe that even would have got I mean I definitely come here and says I'm gonna see someone's property transfer tax which you know are the clerks just really careful to make sure things are adapted before they turn things over it's the clerk right yeah it's just the clerk well something happens oh I mean I'm right something something something happened it doesn't mean it happened here well he got it somehow I'm telling you they're very easy to get much easier than you might think property transfer tax returns are not no no no your social security number that's not the point we're talking about the property transfer tax return that's what we're talking about okay he took that he put the whole thing in their suit okay okay it has our our social security numbers as well as our neighbors move to Washington state it also has got it got it okay that property I mean I understand what you're saying yeah oh yeah maybe they're easy to get and things like that not for everyone we haven't found that lots of lawyers we talked to said we cannot get you know these Texans who have dissolved we can't get their social security number it's not just so easy but he got this Chad we're Chad like on Tain has somehow and he chose not to do anything about it he chose not to redact it and that was his responsibility we're not saying it was yours but we are wondering why it was on there yeah okay okay yeah I don't I don't have an answer I definitely understand your concern absolutely valid absolutely valid and I think well we need to do just a little a bit of an internal investigation to find out and to make sure that this doesn't happen not only to you but to others as well and I don't know I don't know if we have an issue per se but we will look into the process for sure absolutely and if it and if it did originate from town hall you have our greatest apology to that but we will make sure that it gets corrected if in fact we find something that shows a leak or a slight disconnect in process but as of right now I could not tell you unless someone else has another suggestion I could not tell you how that could have happened I just simply don't know but you've been made you've made us aware of it no they'd have to ask they would ask for but but if they know where they are when they're in there I mean I don't know maybe you know there's a box that's labeled yeah they're in the safe interestingly enough after this meeting is over I actually have a meeting tonight to talk about things like cybersecurity for the town hall and I'll be spending the evening working on security issues so I'm gonna I'm gonna fold this right into that I'm it's timely for you that's unfortunate but it's timely because that will give me more ammunition to talk about to have yeah this is real world but I am having a discussion tonight and I will make this a representative case as to some things we got to work on I thank you I don't wish I had a better answer for you but we will get those answers okay well thank you appreciate it our work with the town hall so yeah I totally understand I've been I've had to deal with fraud myself and where you know people got a hold of my credit card information and you know we're talking you know $20,000 gone you know I mean I settled on it but it's happened numerous times I understand I get it we will look into it thank you thank you for coming okay wow does anybody else have anything before we close the meeting okay this meeting is now adjourned at 1738 hours