 Alright a few problems with this stuff The verbal behavior issue right Verbal behavior is great You know that all the stuff that I'm doing now is undergoing reinforcement and punishment and all that stuff But with regard to avoidance, okay, you can Or negative reinforcement you can run into some certain problems think about promises, right? So What as I'm getting ready to explain it to you here think about what almost might do What what is the what is the issue there if I make a promise? And then do I follow through on it? Do I not? What happens right if I say I'm going to do something? and then I Don't follow through with that in the future Right, then you kind of got this weird avoidance thing going on and it gets in maybe an escape sort of thing So think about threatening right if I threaten to do something And say I'm going to do the you know if you don't do this. I'm gonna do blah, right? So if you engage in that behavior, I'm going to Beat you silly or something to that effect Well, are you really gonna go through it? Because if you're not really gonna go through that then you probably shouldn't be saying it because then they'll weaken that Babe that verbal control Conditioned aversive stimuli. This is another one. That's a real problem too many things can get conditioned, right? Too many things can be tied in with that. I'm sort of a negative experience with that bad experience that Punisher if you will right so again condition-diversive. We've got that context the context itself can become an entire condition aversive stimulus so think of something along the lines of I'm drawing a blank here on The context of the example that I wanted that I was wanting to use earlier shoot. I hate it when I do that again Remember that learning happens in a particular context. So if and then that we're talking about avoidance here, so we have to Realize that you've experienced some negative stimulus or some aversive stimulus in the first place So now the fact that you've experienced that aversive stimulus it may connect to more things So let's say the dry the beeping sound while you're driving is a really really aversive one really strong It could be that driving gets connected to that as well So then driving itself becomes something you want to avoid and in reality, that's not something that's good, right? That's that's a that's going to cause problems for you in the future So that's what we need to worry about with about too many things getting conditioned This is part of that stuff that happens when people get anxiety There's so many things that can get tied in with that anxiety because the anxiety happens in a particular context in Anxiety is an aversive stimuli so that then might connect with other aversive stimuli may be Test anxiety which may then generalize to the class which may then generalize to other Classes and so on so forth where the whole thing of school becomes this sort of anxious situation So we do have to worry about Using these types of tools to control behavior and that said you know what these are probably the most common ones at least In our society that we use to control behavior, you know You're all about driving driving on the road and following the rules on the road is all about Avoiding a ticket right or avoiding an accident you stop at the stoplight to avoid the accident Your cop doesn't walk up to your door when you stop at the stoplight and come give you five bucks You know, it's not you're not gonna get a reinforcer for stopping at the stoplight or at the stop sign You're avoiding you're not going to get a positive reinforcer You're gonna get an avoidance situation or an escape situation He said our society is largely based on negative reinforcement, but it does have its problems Especially if you're trying to use it to specifically train up a particular behavior, but you know, it's it's quite functional It there is a lot of examples of it out there, you know any medicine Medicinal stuff any health behaviors all those things are all negative reinforcement either through escape So like taking a pill to reduce your symptoms So again reducing the symptom that we're moving in so you're escaping it or engaging in healthy eating to avoid long-term problems down the road You know There's all sorts of stuff that are very applicable here, but you know, there's problems with it again the verbal behavior stuff and then If you end up with some anxiety You can end up with all sorts of condition aversive stimuli and it doesn't have to be just anxiety can be all sorts of stuff Think about how depression plays into this, you know You start avoiding things because everything is bad, right? You know, and it's all through negative reinforcement and that avoidance then gets strengthened because then you're not going to go You know if you stay at home in my bed, then I can't fail at anything outside of my house I can't fail at work. I can't fail at school. I can't fail with my friends. I can't fail in a relationship I can't fail blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so you end up getting reinforced for that And then so it just turns into this nasty cycle. So that's part of the problems that are associated with this stuff