 The camp of the PDP so much has happened in that camp that if I were in the Nollywood sector probably would have a series, you know, from the G5 to all that the former governor of the Kiddy States has said and several other things playing out in the camp of the PDP. Well, that party has referred the Benou State Governor, Samuel Autumn, to its Distillery Committee for Alleged Anti-Party Activities and the party, however, suspended former governor of the Kiddy State, Ayodele Fioshe, and the former Senate President, Secretary to the Government of the Federation, I am Pius, I am other party officials, we're also suspended and they are Professor Dennis Iseria and Dr. Aslam Aliou. Now, let me go to you. Let me start with you, Poonabo. Do you see these moves threatening the party? Before you start, you remember, I was supposed to have left at the leg. All right, before you go, I'll take this on you. Yeah, before you go, do you see this move by the PDP strengthening that party, or do you see further weakening the party? What ought to be done ought to be done, not to stand whose office is gone. Probably my concern and the consequences are that is unsentimental, but my greatest worry is why the name of a man like my governor is not even on that list, because his role was threatened. He went to Lagos State and Dostopundi, the Lagos State governor for the second time. Dostopundi said he supported Balaam-e-Tibidu, Antioch. So what could be more anti-party than this? That's one question. That's one question. That's one question is a burning question that the PDP should answer, never the less the elections are over. So I think it is time to clean the other's table. Probably the PDP wants to purge itself of the so-called rules in the party. The likes of Atom, the suspension being found to nurse a surprise, the G5 government, I am so pleased that despite the high blood pressure of the certain veterans, they could not perform. They are an enemy of deeds. They all lost. Save the bastards. And when the courts, as you do the case on Namata, will all see what the courts will say concerning them. Because it's in court? Because it's in court? I don't want to go into that. You know? The already matter is a court. So then it's going into that. What happened in the university? What then? Even at that, if you talk about, we are not talking about antipathy. This is a man who kept castigating, he does no name, all the Bitroyals and so on, the party chairmen and so on. And even said the PDP was over to win in the university, the court will know whether the PDP won or not. But that is the first time. This we are G5 members, according to my dog, integrity, man of integrity. Yes. Now, if you are a man of integrity, you will leave the past, you will leave the past, you will find the past, you will not remain there until you call yourself a man of integrity. Now look at all the other governments, they lost even in their units. I keep telling people, I said PDP did not lose anything in society itself from the government. Because I'm not a party member, I'm not a member of any country party. But I said before now, even on your station, on several locations, that don't vote for past, vote for integrity. Not past. So you do not say... So that is actually full, as it must end. So I voted across party lines. But I can't say this is last year. It is not the party that will bring about good governance. Because in Nigeria, there is no ideology. But in civilized clans, you have ideology. So you can never be telling Nigeria that you are not part of the party's manifestation. So the party, talking of party in Nigeria, just a complete waste of time. I go for the individual, waste of your antecedents or my perception of this. And that was it. Even on your station, countless times. I said, please go for individual. Because when the rain will fall, it will fall on every roof. So in choosing, let us be kept. Now, in this case of PDP, they are lost. They have no clue, we are in charge of three senatorial businesses, lost in their unit. They could not be delivered. That's the result of their previous parties, the formed alliance. They could not be delivered. So it's of no use. So they really have no effect. Unless you talk of reverse this. Well, they call to decide who won in reverse it in the presidential election. Let the call decide that. So on the issue of their suspension, it came next. I just cannot understand the delight. But the leadership of the PDP lacks function. It lacks the courage. It was thinking of what would happen. Maybe if I do this, all of the consequences. Damn you. No human being on net is indispensable. You will think that in your absence, your child will die. You will be surprised that this is where you go, that your child will come to the country. No human being on net is indispensable. So don't give any human being a particular asset. This one is. No, let us not do that. And that is the bane of our country. Because every child, if you look at it, what matters is impunity. Although I am against it. But it is their law. Because I would have also done the same thing to save my child. Well, it is their law. But if this has happened in Nigeria, nobody would have heard about it. You would have seen it in the press secretary shouting that right then. So they're telling you, well, deny all kinds of things. And you see that at worst, there will be no independent adjournments. But look at what's happening. That is the kind of system we want. Though that is suspended for the elections, I call for it. Before the elections. And the government will have said, dare them to suspend it. Yeah, he did dare them. And you remind me, you kept him there. I kept him and said what is going on. So as far as the PDP came late. And I'm not happy with the PDP leaders. Completely not happy. They are cowards. I'm very sorry to say. They are cowards. Well, I would have asked you. After election, you're coming to a suspect. After election, you're coming to a suspect. Because you believe that all votes will have been cast and you don't need anything. That's cowardice. You know, time would not permit me to ask you this question. Perhaps when next you come and you would answer the question if events have taken it. Whether you see this, whether you see this as the beginning of the end of the PDP as we know it. But you say you got to go. Not at all. Conflict is a functional interaction. And because man cannot not commit it. Man is going to commit. Resolution is what matters. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Tariah. Thank you so much for your time. Johnson, Argo, legal practitioner is still with us. We're going to go and break, take the news and come back. But Mr. Poonaba would not be able to join us because he has a to run. Thank you so much, Mr. Poonaba for your time and insight. Well, the program, the run up continues after this break. Stay with us. I'll come back to the concluding part of the run-up, 2023. I am mooring and I still have Johnson Argo legal practitioner as my guest. As I told you before, I went on that break, Opunabor in Quateria will not be able to continue with us on this segment. Hello, Johnson. Good to have you back. It's my pleasure. Thank you. All right. So, let's continue from where we stopped, the PDP and all that's going on, the suspensions, the disciplinary actions, long time coming, you see it as something that should have happened before now. Please, come again. I do get the question. All right. I'm talking about the drama going on, folding in the PDP camp, the suspensions, the disciplinary actions. Do you see it as something that should have happened before now, as alluded to by Opunabor? Actually, I think that that is their family business. I am not a member of the PDP, and I don't have sympathies whatsoever to them, especially considering that what the complaints that have been brought to the public is a question of impunity and blatant breach of the party's constitutional provisions. So the lawyer made things that rule of law should permit every factor of the society, including the subset of our democratic institutions, in this case, political parties. My thinking is that the impunity we see in the society didn't come from think that, right from the family groups, time unions, market associations, people who have had obligations to comply with rules might not comply with them if there are no consequences. And in the case of PDP, it is a political party who has just learned for power to control the entire government. My thinking is that such an institution or such an organization should be stickier for rule of law and comply with its own rules and constitution. And so when they do not comply with their own rules and constitution, as they all claim, they should not tell us to just move on. So and in my view, they are not qualified to complain to anybody at all. So if, for example, you say you are suspending people because they did anti-party activities, how do you measure anti-party activity? Is it by reference to what your constitution has said members should do? So the person who is attempting to apply the constitutional provisions of PDP now, where was he when PDP, the current people controlling PDP now, size fits the constitutional provisions of PDP? That's a big question for me. In my view, it's something that people should approach with clean hands. So if you are trying to apply a stick on people today because you say they have reached the constitution by campaigning for other people who are not PDP members, you should also apply the same big stick to yourself or to all the people that set the constitution of PDP to put somebody who is not supposed to be the PDP candidate by reason of PDP constitution. So it's a big situation, and if you continue to agree about it, we will keep going around around. So PDP should cry internally and resolve their problems internally, and if they choose to bring it to us, members of the society, we will judge them harshly. Well, it's already up to, it's out here now, public family problem or family issue or not. It's out there in the public space because it is a public family. All right? Now, one of the controversies that these actions have thrown up is the fact that governor of Riverside, Nisomuike, has not been suspended. He's not among those who are being disciplined, matter of fact, matter of fact, he has responded to all of this and said that it is the chairman, Iochia Aiu, of the party that should have been suspended and not the former governor of Akiti state, Ayodele Fayoshi. How do you respond to these controversies from the trusted governor? I'm saying that the governor of Riverside actually has a court case taking to restrain PDP from suspending or in any way in preferring his right of membership in the PDP. So until that case is decided, whether it is rightly or wrongly suited, it will be difficult for anybody to tamper with the rest of that, I mean the subject of that court case. So I will not discuss that direction. Oh, okay. So in other words, there is a legal umbrella shielding him from any kind of action from the party. So he has a court case saying that the party should not sanction him for a so-called anti-party activities or whatever, and that case has not been decided. So regarding Akiti's governor's suspension, he says openly that he doesn't care while listening to him some few days back when he was asked about suspension or no suspension or whatever. He claims he walks against the PDP and he's very proud of it. He doesn't regret it. So suspending him currently by the people he says and not also in breach of the constitution of PDP seems to me a useless venture because his soul is no longer in the PDP. Matter of fact, if I recall correctly, I saw him on national television distancing himself from the party even before the suspension came about. But how do you see the strength of the PDP with all that's happening right now? Do you see the strength dwindling from all these actions? PDP is the bigger mode in the workplace stage. If we look at it properly, the existing we look at rise and fall of powers, PDP is declining. The NMPP that took Kano is actually a faction of PDP. The level party that took the entire South East, most of South-South, some parts of North Central and even Lagos, unprecedentedly, used to be in PDP and if we look at the results announced by INEC, I'm not saying that that's the correct result, but using the result that is announced by INEC, we can see that all the, these two factions that I have just described, if they were with the main PDP, so-called, represented by Tico and Guba, they would have clearly won the election. If I just say, Marky and Wicked team are a faction of PDP, clearly or ghostfully say they worked for APC, so this election was contested PDP against PDP, obviously, and what do someone say when a house is divided against itself? It clearly has to fall. That's the way I see it, unless a miracle happens sometime to hold a party or a house in position, but we know that once a house begins to divide, it will be less than that, should they expect it to collapse. So you are saying that bearing any kind of miracle that PDP may just, this may just be the beginning of the end of that party? Absolutely, those are the one elections under the umbrella of PDP in this last election who have two options. They can now claim that a PDP is factionalized. For example, I'm not giving ideas, but we've seen this in the past. Somebody is said to have been suspended, and the next thing you see on the radio is he organizes a meeting and came to suspend every other person that is in the clique that suspended him. So that is a factionalization of the party, formal finalization of the party, and on the basis of that, they would be come to another party and retain their seats. I know that the courts have said that if, for example, you're a legislative assembly or a legislative, remember the legislative body and you want to take your seat on the flag of another party, once you become to the next party, you will lose your seat. But the court have also said that if you become because of factional activities, when there is no unit in your party, you will retain your seat. So PDP, their leash on the party or party members seem to me weak because quite a number of people seem to be genuinely agree. And those people who seem to be genuinely agree, come bound together and retain their seats. If I am to recommend PDP, my suggestion is to find out what exactly the grievance of all of these persons and see how they can politically resolve it. I don't see a legal root out of this crisis. It's a political issue, so they should sit down and see what they can give and take between themselves. I think that the promises they can exchange and assurances of keeping the promises that we impressed the various parties. Thank you so much, Johnson Argo, for your time, your insight with us on this program, even before today. And I'm saying this and speaking like this because we've come to the last episode, this very episode. Wow. With this program, I would have asked for an elongation if I was asked. No, but we have a similar program every morning called the Breakfast on this program. So that is another place to tune to. That's right. My thinking is that this program is even beginning because the court cases coming from the election petition tribunals are going to be very long. All of that will be handled on the breakfast, which comes up every morning on this station. I think 7 to 9 a.m. every morning, every day, Monday to Friday. So all of that is going to be everything we've been treating on the run-up, plus other issues will be treated on the breakfast. Thank you so much for your time. It's been so wonderful having you. It's been an amazing couple of months discussing issues on Nigerian politics and the 2023 elections. It's been a huge pleasure having you. The viewers always tune in to join the show. I want to say a big thank you to all our guests who have joined us virtually and in the studio. 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