 to get it. Here. Here. Here. And again for the record, Mayor Benjamin is in route, so he'll be here shortly, but we're going to go ahead and get started. Ma'am. Thank you, Madam Mayor Pro Tem. At this time, we'll begin our city council discussion with I think our public defender. Here, Mr. George Cawthon, Esquire, Columbia Homeless Court update. Thank you. My name is George Cawthon with Nelson Mons. I'm also the chair of the Columbia Homeless Court, which has become like a full-time job for me somehow, but we started about five years ago, six years ago, when Columbia was talking about putting homeless people outside of town for some reason. And there was a lot of tension about it, and Councilwoman Devine spoke with William Hubbard from my office and said, is there something we can do about this? And he suggested a homeless court, which is something that started in San Diego, California, there's like 20 states that have these homeless courts. So we started one here in Columbia. We met for a year. We had site visits to San Diego, to Birmingham, Alabama, to see what their courts look like. We had a good committee here, and still have the committee. Chief Holbrooke, we've had Apple Seed, we've had county magistrate, chief magistrate involved when we expanded our county-wide level. And so we met for a year, fine-tuned the thing. I always tell people that the homeless court of 2015 will look better than the homeless court of 2014. It's always improving. And we meet periodically. Now that we've been operational, I meet with the judge and the public defender and the solicitor involved, and we see what can we do to make it better. So we've done this for four years now. But it's really been a great success for Columbia, but it's also been a great success for South Carolina. It's grown nationally, statewide. Charleston wanted to have one. So Charleston's got one now that we helped construct. Myrtle Beach wants one. So we helped construct that one. Dino, porno rest from the public defender's office. Hans Pauling from the solicitor's office. I've been very giving other time to help set these things up. So we've now been doing more influence. After this article came out, Spartanburg called and said, we'd like to do one too. So we've got the Columbia Homeless Court being replicated all over the state. And what's this does for you? Right now we've had, I think, two recidivists out of the last five years of our homeless court graduates. These are people that have gone through the system, they've gotten their old charges dismissed, they've gotten their back on their feet, they've gotten their jobs, they've got employment, and they're no longer homeless. And so you're getting hundreds of people like this per year through South Carolina because this system has been a great project. And it's been a lot of good. And just want to give you an update on the whole program and thank you again. Part of that, one of the things you gave first was $100,000 for the public defender for the staff that court. They weren't receiving any funds from the city before for public defender work. That was a blessing in disguise as well because 18 months later, the ACLU brought a lawsuit against Buford and Beaufort. I'm sorry, I've been from North Carolina this last week. Buford and Bluffin. And they brought class action against them. And you all would have been named in that defendant because they wrote about you in the article. But you didn't get named and you didn't spend $100,000 a year on defense costs because you had some partial funding for the public defender. So it was a good start. I hope we can continue that and make it better. But it's been a good project and I want to thank you all for being involved in it. So thank you. Do you have just the numbers for us to kind of know what's the number of cases a year and are they increasing or decreasing? I've tried to do that in the early days and I got a call from the solicitor on one side or more and said I was going to go to jail for that. There's a secure statute that says you can't keep records on the source thing. So I've gone to court administration and said can we get a waiver from this because I don't want to go to jail for keeping records. But I can tell you it's been over hundreds. So we're trying to get court administration to come up with a uniform form to use in all of our homeless courts. But it's not a solicitor created for them. It's a city created by constitution by the Chief Justice. It's item welcome. Our Benjamin is the Rosewood community traffic calming measures. Mr. David Brewer our traffic engineer. Over the past few years we've been working with the Rosewood neighborhood association and also the South Hill neighborhood. And last spring we we met with with both neighborhoods and a large group of people and came up with where all the problem areas they identified are. Then we went back as you can see on this map the the roadways in red are all owned by the state. So in order to comply with all their requirements for traffic calming we did traffic counts all over the neighborhood. And these speed hump locations shown on on the map are the high speed locations that we identified. Now we'll probably come back with with with some additional traffic calming later on. But these we wanted to address the highest locations first. And I think a total of about 20 in the combination of speed humps and raised crosswalks that are on here. And also a couple of additional four-way stops. The four the the stop signs you see in black are the ones that are already there. The multi-way stops. And the the two additional ones are for site distance restrictions and we're going to approach DOT based on that rather than the volume because they don't they won't approve four-way stops for speed control though it has to be based on some kind of physical obstruction or volume at the intersection. Also to note on the the drawing it's it's kind of hard to see up here but a lot of these streets have cross hatching in red on them. Those are the ones that the DOT has identified as major collectors in their classification system and for that reason they won't approve traffic calming on those roads. We we had that problem with Holly Street and Bonham in the past and we got that change got that classification changed and that's why we were able to do some traffic calming on those streets so it's it's possible to change that. But we wanted to proceed based on what we had available right now. David just out of curiosity. I don't understand the speed home on Jim Hamilton. I noticed that too. Honestly I'm not sure why that one's there. That that's a typo. Yeah I think we want to stay away from that one at the at the beginning. It just it's kind of off there by itself and I think it it accidentally got left on it was on the drawing as part of the neighborhood requests and it got accidentally left on there when we edited it to create this map that I was about to mention that but somebody caught it already serves no purpose. The other thing I thought was kind of interesting is when I look down towards Hancock and over it seems like you know this is a real interior not a main thoroughfare as they are they having a lot of traffic. Those were where we found the high speeds. Really. Yeah and the I wouldn't have thought that I would have thought Bonham and Holly and others would be it came out on the on the streets where you actually see the speed homes we found speeds where the 85th percentile traffic or 85th percentile speed which means 85 percent of the traffic is going at or below that speed and 15 percent is going above that speed and in the one the ones where you see speed homes on this on this map are the locations that had an 85th percentile over 35. That was probably the reason why the request was there from the neighborhood but we didn't catch we didn't have the speeds in that in that location as high. The problem is it's such a long stretch you have that's the same thing that we're seeing on because they put it in the neighborhood line so you come around the corner off daily and you hit Devereux in 150 yards down you got the speed hump and then from there you got 1200 yards straight away with nothing so you deterred it yeah yeah but that's what I'm saying is if you're going to have it there I will you'd have to have it on the other side you're coming in from both ways it doesn't make sense. I'd love to look at maybe a traffic light at that entrance at the park. Well a traffic light won't slow traffic down as long as it's sitting there green it'll you know people can go as fast as they did with any other time. Maybe since I mean I think Steve is correct we're there to depart with all the improvements we've done is it any way that you can maybe come back. Yeah these are not intended to be the final word that this is this is the the high speed locations we found right now and then we're going to come back later with the with the additional work. Thank you thank you for everything that you and Robert appreciate all the calling and all the texts and appreciate it. Thanks dad no problem and all we did have a conversation a good conversation and Mr. Rick and then some public safety committee meeting this morning and this evening Mr. Rick and then we'll move some of those additional recommendations for it with the council holistically not about specific requests but about the request process. Thank you gentlemen. You all good? Okay we'll move into probably our final I hope this year 2019-20 budget workshop items item three accommodations and hospitality tax committee recommendations for the fiscal year 2019-2020 with DD Banning for any community business liaison or great DD this is always a tedious job and she does it very well with our committee and thank our committee as well. We also are trying to move this forward in a timely manner this year so hopefully if council needs more time certainly we can accommodate but we want to at least get it on your radar now. Good afternoon. Our accommodations and hospitality tax committees have met for the 2019-2020 funding recommendations for this year so I thought we could go over accommodations tax first. The committee met with the intent to fund the two tourist organizations for Columbia Metropolitan CBB and the capital city Lake Murray at 85 percent and 15 percent and the amounts are listed on the accommodations tax grant spreadsheet that is being passed around now that would be 366-300 for capital city Lake Murray and 2,075-704 Columbia Metropolitan CBB. We did we met in the beginning of May so we went with the figure that we had the previous year with the intent that if there is we would give the 85-15 percent. Yes sir. And the chair for ATAC's Mr. Hal Stevenson he is in jury duty so he was not able to make it today but he did want me to let you know that. So now we're going to move into hospitality tax. The hospitality tax committee met for four days we had new members this year and they did a really good job we have some of our committee members here today and our committee chair Terry Davis is here as well if you'd like to have any questions for her. We had 18 groups were given a slight increase this year seven groups were given a slight decrease eight new groups were awarded funds and 29 groups were kept whole. This is the spreadsheet hospitality tax committee recommendations labeled and to the right of that spreadsheet are the committee's comments for record on there. We did have the same amount to distribute as we did last year so that is the amount that they distributed again for the 2019-2020 year. Say this every year but it doesn't help so I have to say it again because I know we some of us have already gotten some emails and calls regarding I think that insinuates or implies that council reduced the amount to the committee or increased our transfer to general fund and that is not accurate our transfer out of hospitality the general fund remains the same this year and the committee as Dean just mentioned is the same there are emails that we've talked that we've gotten that talked about people getting cut and every year we have this discussion that if council made a subsequent allocation to a group and they're not getting that right now in their minds they're saying they were cut but and I do think there are some recommended decreases but overall there hasn't been any significant cuts it doesn't appear so I just think that we need to continue to say that because the narrative even supported and perpetuated by folks I think that should know better continue to be said out there that we're increasing the transfer we're taking money away from the committee and that's not accurate I know the committee would love to have more money and we'd love to give them some more and hopefully you know over the next few years we'll see increase there but I just think it doesn't serve the overall conversation well when people continue to perpetuate misinformation and pick groups against each other so I just wanted that to be said do what now also passed out the spreadsheet that will be the city council line items and the capital special projects the council line items are listed at the same amounts they were the previous year and the capital special projects are listed which includes previous approved funding and capital projects and your special projects that you've covered before yes the 1920 will be the last year for the gateway to the army they take he's he's a whole year ahead of forget about it next year it is it is not done yet um just want to go ahead and put on the record um and I think I think the committee does a great job with the little bit of money that they have um as a lot of money well it's the same amount of money but I know that they want more and they could do so much more more but we have what we have but I do want to say that um as usual I am raising you know every year there there seems to be a few organizations that get something from the committee but not at the level that we know needs to happen to make the event or program successful this council typically comes later and makes different allocations um so I'm just kind of raising early that I think we need to have those conversations early because it's not necessarily fair to the organizations or the public because people always think oh there's more money and and that starts a conversation when we know when we approve these recommendations is not nearly enough that the organizations need um you know to that I point out is um onto caring foundation and and black expo typically every year we come back later with some additional funding so I do want to say that we need to have that conversation but I do want to let council know that um the new focus that black expo has uh this year I think we did a good job at trying to work with them within our city department to support those things and we have a meeting scheduled for I think it's July 2nd with um Mr. Thomas myself Ms. Yuzzi, Ms. Said, and Ms. Lindler so we'll look at kind of debrief from this past year what the city's participation and role was and see if the if the departments have anything but I know that the departments don't have a whole lot as well so I do know that there will be another request from black expo that's going to continue likely from Auntie Karen and maybe some of these other groups so I just think that we need to think through that process I know Mr. Duvall has talked several times about us having a process of place but we've not done that so at some point we need to stop kicking that hand down the road and have that discussion well I mean I think two observations one I just to clarify the reason that Auntie Karen went down is because she quit doing the event for a period of time one in a two year just one year one or two years so I know that affected the way it was run you know the other thing I notice which and I don't fully understand but we've got one ballet group gets 175 and the other gets 125 I thought they were supposed to be equal at one time they were receiving equal funding um at this point we did a slight difference of variation to the difference and two differences in the ballets themselves and last year and the previous year I just you know I mean for years we said we you know we've got too many I just found it interesting that there was $50,000 especially since you know two years ago when we received it you know they had made $250,000 off those performances we were supplying and nobody seemed to have an answer of where that money went so for me that that's something that to me is a flag just to add to that you know since we're talking about what you know the Columbia International Festival that we all familiar with just about every one of us attended one of their functions they bring a lot of people to the city and they they ask me for more funding as well um there's a list I talk about that we that we add every year so you know if there is a magic pot of money somewhere or the tree that is growing out in the back maybe it's not to produce some dollar bills yeah we'd like we'd love to have you know that discussion to or give it back to the committee let the committee get some more funding Mr. Mayor I think Terry was going to address the ballet yeah we've had the different funding for probably three years now you think China is three years because we decided we weren't just going to go along and give the same if the quality and the the effect of the organizations were different and we found that there's more outreach with the city ballet there's just a much bigger impact than there is with the the classical ballet and so three years ago we decided we needed to not just follow what we've always done in the past but go ahead and make a distinction about who we think is bringing more impact and you have you have the ability to document that I'll take it based on your comments sure did they do a different number of performances that's interesting yes that's one thing they do numbers I can't tell you classical yeah I think that was one of the things that there's a number of well thank you for that answer that's probably the most frank answer we've had on the issue thank you I apologize I found it I found it a little not disturbing but what about those small organizations that and and we constantly talk about the larger organization either they are being funded at the same rate or they are increased or decreased in terms of dollars what about those small organizations that didn't get any funded I mean you got you got places like perhaps Columbia black pages that does a tremendous and and I understand that there's going to be another part of money that we could perhaps look at but looking at it and in terms of actuality it bothers me a little bit every year that's the conversation that I've had every year as it relates to hospitality tax beautiful organizations I mean doing great things but how do we expand our horizons how do we allow why do we allow some of the larger organizations to sort of get more money and smaller organization that is doing an extremely good job not being funded or being funded in a very meager way yes sir I understand and if you go back and look at some of the allotments coming out of here there's 2.6 million paying for a baseball stadium I understand it could could affect that so when we we have that discussion we have to remember that we created this venue I understand Daniel but I also think that it is crucially important to be just as proactive with smaller organizations and I think you're right Howard I think that there is a tremendous need for us to look at the guidelines how do we do that how do we make those those decisions so I'm not I'm not certainly not against funding anybody but I certainly wanted to be in it that it be equitable in a fashion that persons when they are doing a good job that they be rewarded for they would forego their $100,000 allocation to get capital and then they would get back to the $100,000 fund we have been able to fund them a little bit through the council allocation this year will be hard to find if I could go ahead just to mention the reason well obviously the reason we cut anybody was because we didn't have enough money enough money what we did was increase them last year because of the eclipse activities didn't we reward them for the doing the eclipse well then we upped them the year of the eclipse okay okay so this year when we decided we needed to cut places because we weren't funding the eclipse or big thing we decided that that was one place we could cut back here just to make sure we verify that commitment because a few folks have said that we had a certain level of commitment to the state museum that were reduced for the capital campaign and so just to make sure that's clear the um you know we obviously we kicked it around several different ways looked at a couple different models over time to support more local organizations small organizations regional organizations new organizations organizations have you know much reach to smaller artists we've talked about all types of things if that's something we want to do we have to affirmatively decide that we want to do it uh again we we uh we bumped up these numbers significantly 16 17 and so comparatively over the last three years they actually the highest they've ever been so it's not just the baseball stadium I'll disagree with mr uh recommend that I didn't say it was just a baseball but you but you made but you made a special point to make make that make that point because you can't remember that you're collecting 12 million and you're only given two point whatever it is so but the affirmative decision as whether or not we want to increase the dollars going into the committee is our decision and that and that's with or without the state and we have to make that decision uh secondarily uh the um I'm curious didi about the uh carry for us uh what what do we uh how many organizations are caring for it how much money I don't have I don't have the exact figure at the end of this week um but it was about three organizations a very small amount in terms of dollars as well and there will also be some um closeouts that will go back in but it's going to be a very small amount for that as well and we and last thing is we we often express some of the similar frustrations with the with the committee um some we raise about those that that um don't get funded the level that maybe council might might deem um more more appropriate remember it's a competitive process folks go before this committee they they they they they put on their sundays best and make their pitch and and this and this is I think significantly I mean a fundamentally different committee than has been in previous years and years before that and and when we keep getting the same results which might not be an indication of of anything other than the strength of those applications or presentations and it's going to kind of keep that in mind this community's doing a pretty good job I think laying out uh the the reasoning behind their policy making and and recommendations as as well so just wanted to speak to all that is a um meeting a conference coming here a conference in August uh several dozen mayors and other elected officials um yeah come there with me to have or not yeah absolutely I need to put you on the agenda certainly actually being quite serious it's it's very it's very well done it's very very well done we're we're national conference first time hosted here um uh in uh in august very very uh cool columbia south come on that's what I told him it's gonna be toasty it's gonna be toasty let me let me just add a couple of words in here I I I do applaud the committee's commitment in doing this I I used to be a member I know how that is it's two four full days so eight o'clock in the morning to the father talk afternoon and it takes a lot of time from energy from all your members so I appreciate all you do and I'm not gonna criticize any of the recommendation you've done and I'm not criticize the process or anything and since we're talking about increasing money for the committee and stuff like that I've I've always said that we need to allocate the committee's money a percentage to uh to the actual big part of revenue that we generated the hospitality tax so if we're if we're funding them at 2.1 million dollar at a 12 million dollar revenue as we're seeing right now so the revenue increase next year we have to give them a little bit more in the committee so they can do their job and allocate more funds so some of these groups doesn't come back to us and ask them I think it's just a fair way to do it is to allocate percentage 33 percent I'm just guessing 33 percent for committee 33 percent for line items 33 percent for debt services with as a stadium I think it might be better to stay away to do it that way everybody gets an increase and if the revenue at the end of the year decreases everybody gets cut the same thing but it's a percentage of revenue that we get every year but something you want to look at of big you know we as committee members we can definitely look at it um and maybe bring some recommendation we'll make it like I mentioned in the meeting or me I might leave your mind first um because I want to make sure we're all working off the same page here I mean what you have in front of you is what we have I mean we don't there are no additional funds to allocate I mean this is represents all of h tax and I thought going forward and to treat you all discuss unless there's some substantial growth that I don't think you're being more anticipating at this point we've been we've been I know the stats been very conservative in and what we expect to see nothing we should we need to stick with the conservative numbers yeah and this is the box we're working with it and of course we always encourage you all that if there are things you need to adjust um to do so because finding or trying to find the funds later in the year is very difficult um so some of these groups that I mean I find every year we're searching for certain groups first I mean every year consistently I mean rather than do that that's certainly encourage you to do that but obviously we we do as we're told and at the time we try to figure it out but it's it's not going to be as easy this year it's never easy but I just don't see where we would find it just a question Dee Dee so um and I know these are public record so it's it's good that we have to comment but when um when folks are notified of their funding or non funding um are they directed to this or do you put in the letter their comments I'm just making sure that people know some of the rationale like for instance someone called me yesterday about Girl Scouts and I see it's on here as not eligible I don't know what they feel like it's not eligible so I want to make sure that somebody's communicating with them that it was not a commentating commentary on the the value of the project to the city but that it's not eligible for the project they were applying for um we do make this available to them so that they can see the notes um rather than put it in each individual letter um we send unless it's a specific guideline that they have to follow for instance if they were uh if it went towards a certain project and not another that would be in a letter um the notes are available so they can see the reasoning and then um we send them um if they were funded and the amount and um the instructions from there so indeedy did the um so did the city of women proposal come through the committee as it was it was it's uh it did go through the committee yes sir recommended at 4500 it was it was a direct council allocation correct it came through council last year um it it's has not been a line item in the past so I had um had it go through the regular process all right any other questions about anything else specific for terry and deedy and our john well we have a couple here with Matthew in the back Matthew Joseph john who um steve said it the mayor had said it was here since moses I believe that's how I introduced it was actually no one oh no uh forgive me and myself and the others had to do things like work today no really great job as usual very much so thank you all so much so this evening um we would ask that you approve the funding for eligible expenditures as in the attached and the funding recommendations as the intact spreadsheet um and then the individual line items and special project funding um along with the carry forward requests to reinstate the carry forward balances for the groups that have requested the um okay thank you thank you very much thank you y'all know we don't vote at work session we just discuss that work section no we're we live in the in the era of instant gratification so uh making sure do y'all have any more questions no but very very very good job and I know several of your committee members are are working um I got some interesting emails and voicemails and everything else a good diverse committee um some wonderful experience and some new voices as well and really encouraged by the not just not just the work product but the the pace yes sir and the product very very very good well done all right thank you thank you thank you item for the budget workshop is just a final review hopefully this is truly the final review of revenue options Missy will come for Miss Melissa Coughlin and we'd not be offended if you guys left right now it would be okay it would be okay all right no you can stay you can stay have fun Missy loves company all right all right thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you sir we just put a matrix together because I do think we've talked about several items um over the last several weeks and months really and we're wrapping up the um discussion of these items with you all I know it's very important to you that we've had this public discussion so um and we'll continue to put information out as we move forward but really moving into the period of the due diligence and work that needs to be done on these various options um very thankful for council's direction to move forward with the um hydrompy increase I probably need to get some we'll send an email about potential additional time to get on your calendars um so we can move that along as far as those readings um in July and August being that there's one meeting in July we may need to try to do something to accommodate that in particular and then um the rest of these will just be moving forward with the work to get the information that hopefully we can bring back some ordinance changes and um hopefully approvals going forward in the fall by January hope to have some of these in place so we just wanted to put them before you in a different format to make sure everyone's clear on the options and also talk about the model ordinance of if we go that route I'm not sure that we capture capture item one but I know Mr. Mayor you had mentioned that too is getting some clarity on the model ordinance approach correct thank you miss Wilson um yes as miss Wilson said to this list here includes items that either still have um some final recommendations or direction needed or also to update you on the next steps regarding this item so the first one is the business license and that would be revising the business license ordinance to eliminate the exemption for nonprofit entities the next item action item based on that for direction would be um the ordinance the revised ordinance would be on city council's July 16th agenda for first reading and then the of course the next reading staff's action item on that will be the hiring of a firm to assist with research that work is underway so the other than discussions as miss Wilson mentioned whether there's discussions regarding the model ordinance which would have a little different path of course um this is the next steps regarding revising the current there's no reason why they both can't be happening but I understand part of the question is whether we do one versus the other so why wouldn't we do everything you know if you look at at our take a look at our financial statement and it's clear it tells you our situation and in 2018 if you look at the tax structure the property owners here are paying continual Richland county's gone up 14 points you got our Richland one who's gone up 16 and 25 points over the last three years Richland two is creeped up 27 points in the last two all of this stuff is affecting the same taxpayer the non-tax paying entities have to contribute to the basic services and today we had a meeting in a public safety where we had the police chief and the fire chief and you look at the service of calls and the people who are receiving them and the we're talking massive amounts of calls and costs um you know I think that the property tax letter of agreement you know whatever to me a millage rollback is so far down the line because if you look at these numbers these taxpayers are paying and paying and paying and it's time for there to be some equality in this community and we're gonna have to have a frank conversation with all of those folks and I think we're headed down the path I think the wheels here I think we just have to have our information we need to get the auditor re-auditing those properties and then you can look at both the business license and some type of structure I don't know if you want to call it a basic service fee or a user fee or whatever but clearly everybody needs to be included because homeowners and renters that takes away our affordability because that's just getting passed on the renters can't afford this kind of massive increase and this rate that you know we're talking about doesn't even count the new bonding that the school districts have done so you know I mean we're really in the city of Columbia is the only one that had gone up because we've been trying to be conscious with what we have now granted we have other user fees and this and that that we've implemented but these are hitting the same people and so I hope council stays the course and that we we look at all of these options and hopefully do multiple options to get that revenue in so that it's it's people are invested in contributing fairly and I think that just to make sure too is that staff is not recommending one versus the other it's a matter of which ones we act on and and the steps needed to act on those different steps. The points that you were making there, you said points, is that percentage or that number of mills? Yes, sir. I wanted to react to comment. You're right we're not going to fit one against the other or set it aside but I think when the time comes we treat both the same participation and going back to Daniel's point you take a look at at the breakouts that the police department and fire department public safety overall what they're required to do at a cost of each service again you still have entities that are not participating but they benefit from those services people coming to this city I want to feel safe they feel safe because they know that we have a top notch fire department top notch police department and so I think it's taking us it would take us to the threshold where everybody participates because everybody pays you know we unfortunately we can't say you don't pay you don't get so since we are required to provide those services and people do enjoy them we participate in and I don't have a problem with that. Well I think we all know too that we're one of those municipalities if you look at it on a nationwide basis that's not doing anything beyond what we're doing now there are other municipalities that have been that creative to affect some systems and processes where everybody pays because everybody participates. It's a lot easier to create a path and do something and just sit back and continue to push it off to the same people and I think you know from four or five years ago when we start talking about this and how the non-profit has to pay their share is I remember the Spartanburg Greenville when they first when all council were ready to vote on their ordinance all the other ones came to the table and says we'll give you a contract don't vote on the ordinance but the point is is we have to be consistent as a team to what we want to do as a as a council and I think we concentrate on all of these things eventually it's going to pay off and it's going to meet all the what we need for for public safety when it comes to fire department and police department and everything else that we need to do the little bit you know fees that we increase here and there it's just not going to do it we've got to make this whole and make everybody pay they some kind of equal share or similar something to offset some of the expenses that we do and just to be on the record the last one is on here the water and so a transfer I am not for it and I'm not going to support it I know Howard DeVal has been pushing this as many I don't know how many times I have to make it clear to y'all I am not there I will never be there until we meet all the obligations by the EPA thank you are the comments and so we just wanted we were really just not really seeking clarity but wanted to put the whole model word it sounds like I want us to move forward with the business license approach on here and the model or moving I think that we've got to work with municipal association on that so that might we're working really on the first three we have I'm just trying to get a consensus on if we put our time and we told you if you're willing to put it up we'll vote on it because what is what what are you doing you're pushing it back to the small business people you're pushing it back to the renters you're pushing it back to the home owners who are already paying in every tax district of this thing full steam the only way in my opinion the only way you should look at that is once we we've we've attacked yeah that would be my argument is to have a small window and because of the limitations of that creating others I think that what you're doing is you're you're doing something for the temporary convenience and not looking something long term and if we're not able to increase our mill is because of various reasons why would you go ahead and take that role back I mean yeah so once in five years at least we can we can take them up one time we can just vote it down we've been there well yeah I and I agree Daniel I think I believe and obviously we will have enough time to take each of these independently I think they need to be taken independently and rise or fall on the own merit now goes here we we've we've been pretty clear on our issues regarding property taxes and our desire not to raise those taxes because our property owners are paying a disproportionate share of of what they should so I would I would not support the the rollback I think our other goal is obviously to see some type of equity in those who are receiving services from the from the city that they also have the opportunity to contribute to the pot so let me let's let's I agree I'm a D all the above let's move forward and obviously even if some of the proposals might have only one or two proponents let's put them before council let's let's let's get moving and some and some of these do have the the the ability to be to be recurring and sustaining revenues as well just as the question Mr. Davis either way we're gonna and we should justify each one of these courses okay yes sir and and I think for the most for most property only average citizen whether you roll back or not they they would want to know know why and what the impact would be if you do and if you don't give the overall goal I would say for each one of them in addition to description we sort of come up with a statement of justification yeah I don't know I'm a hundred percent again for rollback but if I were to say yes or no I want to have a stand-up conversation with somebody here's why or here's why not so then just to also clarify on the rollback or the property tax rollback depending upon how the how the calculations work out the the budget ordinance would need to come back to council anyway in order to amend it to reflect what the millage would be with the rollback or without it depending upon what action so it will come back to you in that capacity as well I don't think it's that late I think we're saying August September yeah it's a little bit yeah and as far as the and then the property tax the third item with regards to property tax for there's no council action there other than working with richland county assessor's office some collaboration on those pieces so thank you thank you thank you very much so especially saying the challenges we have now yeah yeah please I appreciate that not everybody's going to understand the distinction between hostile attacks and other sources of revenue but right now you you should be providing for the basics of the city shelter water things like this one of the basics of the city is the constitutional right to property right now we're not providing adequate assurance of liberty to indigent defendants in city courts because we're giving them public defenders that are not well prepared because they don't have time to get prepared so they go to court and meet their client for the first time and in court which is not due to process and we really need to be doing a better job on that because that's that's not adequate representation and the city does a lot of fine things like we're with the city projects but we shouldn't be doing beautification of things when we've got basics like public defense public defenders and liberty things like this need to be addressed thank you thank you thank you George and Fielding sent me a good email yesterday I forwarded to Ms. Knox and she and I had a discussion and she's going to brief council on some of her thoughts on that oh I appreciate all you've done in the past and so we we're not adversaries we just want to thank you thank you all I think by the time we're done we have to put you and Fielding and Jasmine on the payroll you guys gonna have some new duties uh see you Monday at 8 30 all right thank y'all all right any else for the good order before we go in the executive session Mr. Duvall you got something from me yes sir Mr. Mayor I'm going to executive session to receive the legal advice related to matters governed by attorney client privilege pursuant to 30-4 a 78-2 accommodations tax ban on the box and so the city discussion of matters related to proposed location or expansion of services and fairer location or expansion of interest in the other business pursuant to 78-2 development ascending in the park from the special no negotiations I had under seven's on germany street germany street all right all right uh is that a second is that second Mr. Duvall second all right any discussion with the previous question perk color all all right yes all right Mr. Badour you know that was a vote on the water sewer transfer