 Every so often we have the counties, one of the counties PIO on the calls as well as some other guests to provide motivation and leadership and resiliency points. So people can again not give up and continue operating each day under this pandemic unusual circumstances. In terms of outreach and communications, when I say we, it's just basically me for the most part, but I'll continue to use weave because it sounds like there's a lot of people perhaps. I've delivered or we've delivered 32 flyers related to the second round of California grants. I'm not exactly sure how many people took advantage of that, but it was just an effort to provide that information to the business owners who typically don't have access to this information, whether they, because of access to technology or whatnot, but we deliver at least 32 flyers out into the community so they could take advantage of these grant opportunities, especially around the second round, which the deadline came very quickly. And I also brought flyers related to the second round of PPP, especially during the last two weeks, it was very specific to businesses that were under 20 employees or so, and the deadline, I think it's today at 5 p.m. We are actually currently drafting a three-fold brochure, and this idea came about a couple of months ago. We have gotten a lot of inquiries from food operators and food vendors, food vending entrepreneurs. So in some of the calls that we participated late last year, related to the outdoor dining over at the Rosalind Village, some of the county folks and myself came to the conclusion that we just needed a more comprehensive outreach effort in terms of providing this information to the entrepreneurs interested in opening food vending, carts and trucks and whatnot. So we're producing a three-fold brochure and that will provide information related to ordinance, what you can do, how to get the permits, how to go about operating in that realm related to starting a food vending business. This hasn't been done in the past, so we feel pretty good about it. So it's in this first review right now with the city planners, and then it will later go to the county, but basically it's a joint effort between the county and the city, and it will be a three-fold brochure. And the idea is basically to educate folks and let them know that we are here to assist them with their questions and answers. So that is the purpose for that. Well, Phil, can I ask a question about that you're on that topic? I don't mean to interrupt your screen, but is the city phasing so that people can kind of get up to speed when it comes to the requirements of the city and the whatever changes that some of the vendors may be having to deal with, which some might be costly, some may not be, but bringing up the speed, the business owners, if there are issues around cost and just are we offering an ability for those, for the businesses to kind of give them some time to come up to speed? To speed in terms of- Well, does this pamphlet, which is geared toward the businesses, does it also have to do with city requirements as far as their structures or did I miss the boat on that conversation? Yeah, this for sure is actually specific to food vending. So it will include information related to conditional use permit. How to go about connecting with the county's environmental health and safety and all of their requirements, letting these business food vending entrepreneurs know that they'll need to acquire a business license. So it's more specific to the food vending individuals. Right, so we're giving them time to kind of learn about the new requirements that they may be under. And so it's not to be, so it's not to hinder their ability to conduct business while they are starting to supply the county with all the records and permits and requirements. It's just a matter of timing as opposed to what they have to do. It's giving them kind of cutting some slack, I guess is really what I'm looking to. Yeah, I would say. Timing wise. It's basically an educational item or material. So they're not necessarily calling so many other people or getting confused out there. And this kind of lays it out more clearly. Okay. That we're at this point, once they have that material in their hands, we'll be able to walk them through it very quickly. It's basically, it also has to do with building that trust and making sure that they know that they can approach the city at any time and ask questions and not be hindered by, the language barrier or the fact that maybe they came down here, they knocked on the door and they didn't, the other person on the other side didn't understand them or so the virtual will be done in Spanish and English. But we do, we have an uptake in requests or phone calls related to, hey, I wanna start my own food vending distance. How do I go about it? So that's one of the reasons we decided to come up with this idea. Okay. Well, I think it's a great idea. It's the new normal and sometimes new normals can be, can create anxiety. So I'm just, I'm glad to hear that these things are being, that the user friendliness of this is really important to me. Yeah. And it will include also a landing page. So I'm working with one of our staff members to produce that. And again, since a lot of the 80% of these inquiries are from Spanish speakers, it will be in Spanish as well, this web landing page. But what pleases me about this project is that we're collaborating with the county. So when I came to this division almost three years ago, not that we didn't talk with the county, but the county environmental health and safety just seemed like a very obscure place. And a lot of people that I started speaking with didn't necessarily always gave positive feedback related to that particular agency. So this has kind of opened it up for us and we're collaborating together. And we just, when everybody out there who's selling food and operating a vehicle cart, that they have the proper documentation, permits, whatever, and that they're doing it safely. Excellent, thank you. All right, quickly down the list. So again, the collaboration with environmental health and safety. I learned this week or maybe late last week that the Meitote Food Corps, they're having a Zoom meeting tomorrow with the mid-pen developers, the builder. And as to discuss the schedule and logistics around the eventually the building of the Meitote Food Park, which for clarification, the outdoor dining at the Rossin Village is not Meitote yet. Meitote will be built at some point, sometime soon, sometime this year. But that's the food park with surrounded pens and banners and the rotating food trucks, et cetera. And it's basically another form of outdoor dining, but it will be more, it'll have a structure and such over at the Rossin Village. So they're having that meeting tomorrow. So I'll follow up with some of the operators and such and I'll provide an update hopefully next month. My mouth is watering. Yeah, there's some pretty good food there. Yeah, I was just thinking that we need to have a visit. A good day, I think. I agree. All right, so then lastly, what's coming up is that we're continuing to work and I was hoping council member Alvarez was on this call, but I'll follow up with him definitely. It looks like he's joined. Oh, okay. I see him. Almost. He's arriving. All right. Almost see me, almost see me. There he is. So we've continued to work on a comprehensive directory. So that has taken a little bit of time. There are so many different businesses in the Rossin area that there's at least 13 related automobile businesses, 17 hair salons. I haven't gotten to the food part yet, but this is gonna be a very comprehensive directory. It's very exciting because it's getting me the opportunity to meet some of these people, some of these business owners. And then at the end, we'll have a full comprehensive directory. What we're gonna do with that exactly, I'm not sure, but at least we'll know the lay of the land basically. Looking for days to hold a meeting for business leaders of the area. And I'm hoping to approach Council Member Alvarez to get some input related to that. Speaking to one of the planners right after this call, they have a survey out there, the city planners related to the general plan update. And I believe they're seeking for more input from the Spanish speaking community. And there's also, I'm helping promote an EDB County workshop related to moving to tier red, and that's happening tomorrow at noon. There's one being held in Spanish at 1230, so I'm hoping that many of the business owners take advantage of listening to that workshop or that update. So that concludes my update. And do you have any questions for me? Council, any questions or comments before I move to the public? Council Member Alvarez has his hand raised. Thank you. Rafa, can you send me a Zoom invite for that meeting that's being held with the MiPoPed group, please? Absolutely. And it's also important to recognize that from my understanding, there's only actually one order dealer left on Sebasta-Bruod when it comes to the vehicles of other additional businesses or mechanics and things of that nature. Is that correct on Sebasta-Bruod? Yeah, there's a couple of body shops. I mentioned automobile services. Yeah, but that includes a lot of body shops, tire shops. Exactly. And the reason I bring that up is it's important to recognize that Roseland specifically is very, very in tune with the pedestrian, the walking opposed to the vehicle. And I think the lack of car dealerships that we now see on Sebasta-Bruod, compared to about 10 years ago, goes towards that feeling that when it comes to carbon reduction, we actually are primed for that. So especially with the bike and things of that nature, the Doro Doro being a perfect example of that we could definitely move to more of a pedestrian friendly, which we both there is actually perfect for that. These are exactly on the side of West Avenue, which is the corridor for all the neighbors. So again, it's perfectly situated. And I also want to thank you for the assistance that you've been given to all the people that have been sending your way for the signs and the body on hamburgers, which actually I spoke to her just a few days ago, and she's still interested, so expect to hear from her again. Okay, that sounds good. Yeah, that's it. It's building those relationships, building that trust, and letting people know that we're here to provide some information and guidance. Thanks, Mr. Alvarez. I have a question, Rafael. I know this may sound like a pretty basic concept, but it has to do with place-finding or way-finding. Does, do the poles, do our light poles or whatever other receptacle we are using for our banners, are those installed on Sebastopol Road and are the community meetings discussing some kind of an emblem or a kind of a, when you know you're in Roseland, you've got this, you've got banners on the poles, you've arrived to this special part of our community. Has there been any conversation about banners on Sebastopol Road or just in the general area of Roseland? To your knowledge? Well, interestingly enough, I mean, we survey Sebastopol Road, there are, I forget how many poles, but it'd be the dual cobra type. And currently there's only three banners from the old neighborhood program. They do say Roseland, but you can just barely see it. I know that Santa Rosa City Water is interesting putting up banners and then TPW in late December also expressed an interest in displaying banners related to their mask up campaign. So I'll need to follow up with them. They do not currently have the brackets, which is not necessarily an issue, but we, I would definitely, I mean, that's part of the vision under this, it's an in-house initiative, but we're definitely carrying this out. They're also in business engagement. I would love to see banners up there. I would like to say an arch, sign welcoming residents to, welcoming visitors to Roseland. And I think there's so much more that could be achieved, but... Yeah, and if I can add to that, I mean, one of the things that Ralph and I talk about a lot are sort of the steps towards getting to those broader place-making elements. And we've included, so the team in addition to, of course, Aileen and Raphael who are on this right now includes Tara Thompson, who's our arts and culture manager. And so we're looking at sort of all the pathways through which we can have a greater place-making presence there. But when Raphael started, he talked about some of the organizational development sort of things that he's doing there. So it's lacking an association or before there wasn't like exactly a lot of all businesses talking to all other businesses. I mean, because there's a wealth of diversity in that area. And so the foundational element of this is making sure that there is a group and a known sort of gathering place and a place that they know that they can come through Raphael to sort of interact with the city. And then from there, we're looking at place-making opportunities that include banners, that include maybe facade improvements through maybe the art program, that type of thing. And then also if there's a possibility of doing like community benefit district type of situation, then there would be funding to do additional things like you're seeing in Roman Square and downtown with the Downtown Action Organization. So it's sort of a long strategy to get there and all of that is within consideration. I figured that it was, and I just wanted to, since we kind of had that banner conversation recently, I just wanted to make sure that we were on track. Mr. Alvarez, you had your hand up. Was that before or would you like to make a comment or question? I did, but I noticed that Council Member Fleming can't answer that before I was... Well, Ms. Fleming, how about you? Thanks, John. So the other thing I wanted to add to this is, how exciting it is the idea of having the community benefit district in Roseland. And then what I'm hopeful for is that we have sort of like an association of community benefit districts where we can work together to not just have these place-making things like the, but the way finding so that people can, they might land in Courthouse Square when they first visit Santa Rosa, but then they can easily find themselves through different arrows and signs and flags, meandering through Roseland and back around through Railroad Square with some amount of ease. I know that there's a lot of infrastructure and changes that need to happen, but I think that the downtown station area plan was pretty clear that this is something that we wanna move toward and anything that we can do to make sure that Roseland and Railroad Square and Courthouse Square are easily flow into one another for pedestrian traffic would be something that I'd be in support of. Yeah, it's a great idea when you think about it, getting from Railroad Square to Roseland is a straight shot. I mean, it's basically a left-hand turn and a right-hand turn and you're there. And so it's just a matter of getting it done. So I think that's a great idea. We need way-finding all over the city, but that would be probably a pretty easy fix. Yeah. Did you wanna respond to that, Rafael? Yeah. Well, quickly. So I'm working, I'm not part of the committee, but I'm facilitating these meetings between the Railroad Square Association and our city staff under the way-finding project for Railroad Square. They have proposed call signs. I will mention to them that we need one pointing to Roseland, but over an hour, we keep hearing that we want to, not we as in the city, obviously, we have an interest in this, but I continue to hear this over and over again. Roseland as a destination. So we definitely at some point need to look at that and eventually let the visitors, the tourists and other residents from other areas throughout the city point into that direction. This is a destination where you can find food, where you can find 12 related auto car dealers, not dealerships, related businesses, 17 salons, so many restaurants and so on. So way-finding project eventually will come at some point, but those polls can serve in the meantime as some sort of way-finding tool or feature, but again, we need to do some planning around that and there's got to be a committee driving that and so on. Go ahead. And I want to hear what Council Member Alvarez has to say, but then I can take a step back and sort of make some connections here so you can see where we're going. Please raise the floor of thoughts, please continue. Yeah, okay, yeah, because I think that the big thing is like we've identified, yes, marketing, which is what Rafael just was talking about, it's like that destination piece of it, but I think that the big thing is like we've identified, we've identified the location piece of it, but we also have that infrastructure piece of it and so Council Member Alvarez actually touched on this. It's an ideal location just in the way people move around that area, it's a walkable site, but it's lacking a lot of the infrastructure pieces of it and again, that place-making piece of it. So I just noted on this, we need to identify all the community partners because I like where you're going with this. Council Member Fleming with, it's that association of associations basically, it's like how is the Railroad Square Association, Downtown Action Organization in Roseland, once it gets an association, how are they working together? But the challenge and I think our opportunity is what do we do now until there is a district, a benefit district in Roseland? It takes like a year to do that. So we're looking right now and this sort of gets into three point, the item 3.3 on how are we going to start looking at all of the initiatives that we have with currently what is very little money. So like if we're looking at community partners to do that wayfinding, it's not just the city, it's not just the associations or even the Mason organization that is in Roseland, but there's also the Museum of Sonoma County, for example, if they have an interest in playing in this space, the chamber has an interest in playing in this space. The Hispanic Chamber, I should see the chambers because there's the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, the Black Chamber of Commerce in the centers of Metro Chamber. And I think I'm seeing opportunity before we have funds in looking at assembling sort of the layers of needs there that I think gets to be exciting. And then I think we need to talk about what that looks like in terms of infrastructure. Because again, Roseland with an historic under, like we've under, what's the word? We haven't put a lot of money there. And the county didn't put a lot of money there. So how do you get it to catch up? And then last thing I'm going to say on that, it's one of our, we have two sources of funding in this division. It's main sources, it's the general fund. And it's the tourism business improvement area funds. The tourism business improvement area funds have been decimated. However, they won't always be that way. Like we're less than zero on those, but as the economy opens up and where Santa Sonoma County is really just right for, for local tourism. So it won't be as hard hit. We don't get international tourism, but we'll get in probably we're anticipating an increase in local sort of state side tourism. So that should pick up. So we're looking already at where are the programs that help to advance sort of equity access inclusion in these discussions. And we can use some of those things for place making. So that could be in combination with like art funds, a place making thing that could be where we do an initial infusion of banner, pull hardware to get them to at least the same place as where we're with square and courthouse square. So I just want to say like those are all of the considerations as we're looking at money and opportunity and taking this sort of low in financing to prepare ourselves for when we can actually act with the funds that we need. Great. Thanks. Thank you. And we'll get back to you. All right. You said Mr. Alvarez. First and foremost, I love the amount of a focus that we're dedicating to Rosalind. Our newest member of San Rosa. And really it is about opportunity. Not so many, not so much the obstacles that lay before us. And to, to thought came a conversation that I had with or my guy, I had to go from mayor farms and he brought up a big arch, a group in Rosalind that's now working on theirs. I won't give up the name because I know they want to come out with a great surprise, but yet a big arch that welcomed the people to the community. That because of traffic might not be possible, but it's something that we spoke about maybe 20, 25 years ago. And then the conversation came up where what if we, we redid the artwork underneath the, the olive street bridge, which welcome both the traffic entering Rosalind, entering road with square or leaving road with square. And really the, the corporation of art with, with the banners of the, the information or geographical position that you're in a wayside, I believe it's called. And I thought what a great idea. I don't know the implications because of, of Caltrans, which I'm sure there are plenty, but nonetheless though, just the amount of vision that's coming from the community into a better Rosalind, into a better Santa Rosa is very inspiring. And really, I think this is a culmination of it, of how much focus we're dedicating to our newest member. So I just really wanted to point out that, that as, as, as, as a Santa Rosa as a native from Rosalind is very exciting to see. And I do appreciate it. Well, I appreciate those comments and it would be great. I mean, I love the idea of an archway. I know the fire department hates things spanning over streets. We can do it though. We can do it. We can do it. Yeah. I mean, they said, okay. Yeah. It's a classic way. I know in, in, in, in many areas in Mexico, there is, you'll, you will almost always go under an arch that, that, that says you've arrived. And I love that idea. And we do have a fair amount of catch up to do in Rosalind. And there, there will be a time in the not too distant future. And maybe it's already happening when visitors come into Heelsburg or Sonoma and people, they start talking to other tourists and they, they're bound to say, you really need to check out the Rosalind district of Santa Rosa because it's lots of great food and lots of great everything. And so they're going to need to know when they've arrived and as, as will the citizens of Santa Rosa. So I think anything that we do in that venue or in that, in that regard will be certainly supported by me. And I know I'm not alone. I look forward to that day. Any, so like, let's, I guess it'll be time now for public comment on the Rosalind program update. Do we have anything, Eileen? We do not. There are no raise hands at this time. Okay. Thank you very much. Any final comments, counsel or questions? All right. So then we'll, then if, if there are any other comments, I'm assuming there are no other types of comments from a community written or electronic or otherwise. And that is true, Eileen. We don't have any other comments. That's right. We don't have, we don't have pre-recorded. We don't do that. We don't do the written. Right. We actually do solicit them. I just want to clarify, but we do not have any for this meeting. Okay. Good enough. I'm not, I haven't shared that many meetings on zoom. I'm, I need a little hand holding and I appreciate the help. Moving to 3.3 economic resiliency planning. Ms. Della Rosa. You want to introduce this item? Yeah. So, um, you know, what we were really looking at, um, you can go to the next slide. I mean, um, or actually, you know what, I don't even know if we need to slide quite yet, but, well, it's fine. So now that I see you there, um, you know, what, what we were talking about before is like really identifying and prioritizing policy program and project goals. Um, as it says on the, um, on the, uh, agenda. I think. But it's, how do we, how do we take, I think that the reason why I wanted to follow up on this is it, uh, is resulting from the economic resiliency conversation that happened at council during goal setting. And also, you know, we went through everything that we did last time at the last meeting and what you see on the slide is really the carry forward items. I kind of rebucketed them to be into policy programs and projects, but it's the, it's the question of how do we look at sort of what we what was successful for us in the task force. We can move them forward except new projects and programs and ideas, but then also align it and have that further conversation from all of the things that came up during the Council goal setting for the economic resiliency component of that discussion. So it's, and I think Council Member Fleming said this in the, in the goal setting meeting, the full Council goal setting meeting, but we've talked about it too, is as we're looking at things, we have to consider, you know, the capacity, a capacity of the staff throughout the city because for us to be clear and economic development, the budget needs or budget constraints and other resources. And so when we're considering those and then we're looking at things that came up today, for example, like the, you know, right to recall or ordinances that that are being proposed by the community or other things that are coming in, how do we place those, and then especially if it's going to be policies as you're moving from COVID urgency ordinances into other non, you know, urgency ordinances. How do we prepare for the time it takes to do really due diligence to understand the true needs. And then the last thing I'm going to say because I think this is going to be sort of a free for all conversation amongst us. And so considering this and many other things is another thing that came up at the Council goal setting was surveying the business community to understand what are their true needs for action or, or policy changes from the local or even non local area. So we've been working with the center as a metro chamber to, to craft a survey, and they're open to sending it out beyond their membership. And so we'll probably loop in other other chambers as well to try to get a broader perspective based on the, on the surveys that that are being put out. So that's sort of like the overall space that can lead us more, but I kind of curious and having a more organic discussion of what you guys are thinking or like, how do we move this forward based on the conversation that you guys had at Council. Good question. Let me let me just entertain questions or comments from, from the Council members because because it is how we move forward with this many things on our list and it's not it's not as though we have yet we haven't prioritized these yet and that that and we have been. We, we have a history of being very proactive in certain areas and so I, I also have a question about which ones do which, which issues do we bring before the Council for a full conversation and what items, as they move around. How we would, how we would actually prioritize these. And we are, we have yet to receive our the documents around Council goal setting, and that will happen, not by our next meeting but potentially by the meeting after that we will have some we will be we will have captured the comments from Council as far as those areas that fall within our scope that the Council has weighed in on about priorities so this is a great encapsulation of what we've been looking at over the over these last many months. But we still have a, we still have that that prioritization piece and the capturing of the public comments from goal setting that we will be that will help inform our next steps. And this list is not the end of the all this is just what we had because again new things came up, both at Council, and we anticipate new things being proposed by the community. And just to be clear, if it's highlighted under these programs like if it's green then under projects then we're actually currently working on those, like under programs working capital for small business we have no working capital, and we have no funds for working capital for small business. So that's why that's black not orange. Just to make clear what that means. Excellent. No, I think that's was a great way to do it I think. Council. Any questions at this point, Ms Lenny. Yeah, thanks john. One of the things that I was, I will one of the things I wanted to note is that what I think made the economic development or the the recovery, you know my recovery task force is that what we called ourselves. Successful was that we, we set an environment of just that of free flow of ideas, and that nothing like what rice has said, you know it was informal that nothing was, you know there were no bad ideas we didn't do everything and so I'm just hopeful that we can bring forward that sort of spirit to this and I'm curious from that from john and race and Raphael to know what you think was really helpful and worked in that process because this is different, you know it is recorded it is public which I think has an added benefit to us, frankly, but, and then also the council is going to, I mean I know the council assigned us to look at right at first recall and, you know, may want us to look at project labor agreement so we're going to have you know things that but we dealt with that before too, when the council wanted us to look at work in capital so you know that that it's not impossible but I'm very curious to know what elements you felt made this successful in the past. It was 100% what you just said what was successful to you was 100% successful to us it was the ability to have honest open conversations. And you know, we, we never, it was closed because it was an ad hoc, but we never said anything that I don't think we could say here right because sometimes you have to, in order to pick at it from different angles. It was the level of comfort to say something that may not be popular or that will maybe really anger one constituency but if we didn't ask that question we wouldn't be able to circle it around and understand why, like either how to answer it or how to make a better process. So my like, I am just desperately trying to hang on to that level of comfort of conversation and the free flow of ideas. When we get to these things within the confines of having to have a brown agenda that says this is what we're talking about, like how do you make it sort of broader to be able to bring it up. Okay. I love and sorry, I didn't. Well I did mean to interrupt because I did so I apologize for interrupting, but I'm going to, I'm going to make a take the chairs prerogative and remove titles from this if you guys if the council members are okay. I just use first names. I think that that the one step in the direction of removing some formality that we, we were able to take advantage of during the task force was that sense of comfort, removing formality, allowing the free flow of ideas just like you were talking about right. So I think it helps to set a tone, and we need that we need to make sure that that tone is comfortable that's that it worked then and I think it'll work now. Eddie did you did you have a comment you'd like to make. Of course. I agree back to before you because I cut her off. I agree and I love that we're much more informal to get the job done. And I believe the formalities might might be the reasons I wasn't here during those conversations, but I love that we do have that understanding amongst ourselves. And to be super clear, we were. We didn't mind cutting each other off because the ideas. No ideas don't stop them was to start happening absolutely. We would get rather excitable. I think that was great I think it was great that we just sort of all jumped in. If that's okay with john. And we'll just leave him with the hard work of calling role and keeping us on task. But, but I think that that was really helpful in generating things and then, you know, we were able, I mean obviously john is a real retailer, you know, and I'm a social worker and so we had such different ideas. And so we, when we educated each other, and we kind of there was kind of like no stupid question. And it felt very safe in that way so I'd like to continue to be able to talk about like so you know what are the advantages of bringing forward a policy and then you know the other thing that I love is that I felt like before staff felt just as comfortable putting forward your ideas and your capacities and limitations. Yeah, so I mean like I can even start on this like just looking at this so we can get into some of the conversation I will tell you the COVID sick paid sick leave ordinance. We did that until we get closer to September that itself is not going to take a whole lot of time for us it's just is what it is. So then we begin looking now down to some of those other things. I'm going to finish in a second but the I will say what I anticipate on this current list is going to take us a while and it's is that we're going to we need to develop that second phase of childcare, the childcare support pilot program. We have $1.3 million in our fear was. So we got the grants going we got the trainings going and that's great, but it's the really hard part is that longevity of, of now offering a program that allows us to reduce the cost of building new childcare centers and then also retaining like rehab grants to retain or help other people either expand or keep the sites that we have so again it's like an affordable housing program. The, you know, my hope is that with first five four C's and the chambers, like Ananda has sweet from the centers of Metro chambers been one of the core people and helping develop this that through this group, we can really figure it out. I think that's going to help with developers that we can figure out. I actually think that's going to take us some time and I feel like it's, we're going to need to keep that one on this with some dedicated staff time. It's and it's funded the Rosalind initiatives you heard Rafael talk about that those are ongoing and, you know, so again, it'll, it's concerted staff effort from multiple layers. So both their SR inside out their programs, and we've taken that on in house that now lives with Tara Thompson, our arts and culture manager, and we see, see opportunities around that. It's not something that it's going to be. It's an ongoing program. But this is where we start to see opportunity around both coven and non coven so it's kind of ongoing. It doesn't rise to the level of like we really need to push this through as childcare and Rosalind and then mobile vending and food tracks working on that again that's sort of an ongoing programmatic element. It slips over into other departments so we're working with recreation we're working with the other divisions and planning, engineering and building on those things. So those those two out of programs are ongoing childcare and Rosalind initiatives are going to need more. They're going to be more active. And then the projects. Those aside for now because those are hefty. They're also ongoing. They come in fits and spurts. But, but you know we're just keeping those those balls juggling. Okay, and we and we also are dealing with each of these. We're going to be going basis at the council level as well. So even though they, they sit with us in a sense of if something comes up regarding these issues. It might pop into our agenda, but indeed, those five issues are always on our tongues at the council during the council meetings at one point or another. One of these is going to be discussed and just it's just what we're dealing with now. Exactly. And it's interesting because they're, they're, you know, especially the first, the second to the second and third one the RFPQ for down their properties and so that's a thing on its own. You know, we're always looking for revenue opportunities, but when you're looking at like say activate vacant underutilized space. It's interesting, like, how who's taking what at any given time within the city. Sometimes it's a, it's a land use question. Sometimes it's a building question. Sometimes it's just purely an economic initiative. So that's why I'm sort of setting those aside and will come up as we go along. So, knowing that it programmatically it's mostly childcare and Rosalind right now. And then from a policy perspective now we have a couple of new things that are up for consideration I think that's maybe where we want to focus. And are there any new things that are coming in. Yeah, and some of these things in the green also are being dealt with by the downtown action organization. Although we have our responsibility is broader than just downtown we do tend to focus on our downtown area for those those those vacant or under underutilized spaces. But we, but we do need to think, especially when it when it comes to Rosalind for instance, we need to broaden our horizons went on some of these conversations to make sure that they are pertinent and applicable to other other parts of town that are visible, and perhaps need some sprucing up or some ways to repurpose those, at least even if it's temporary so that it's a big it's a big it sounds, it kind of sounds simple, because it's only four words, but that's a big project. But even if the Chamber is doing it like taking the lead, Rafael, or I are always on those are almost always on those committees like if it comes to things because it's there's usually a policy piece to it or a streamlining piece or whatever it is. And John just mentions of the very important that we're focusing let's say for the downtown we need to focus on Rosalind. What's important about the list that I see before me is if we do a clean sweep with everything included, we're actually taking care of two things at once for when we talk about the vacant under under use spaces, we have the vending and food trucks that could occupy if it was a land use issue, the childcare is definitely a top priority of the Rosalind area. So that's actually kind of incorporated into the initiatives itself. And I definitely see again, the activation of under use spaces with mobile food trucks kind of goes in line with the revenue and pursuit of those opportunities. And I definitely do see of us being able to take a larger view of how we can actually incorporate more of our issues into into these projects. And I think that that that is a perfect, I'm going to dovetail right onto that and ask the broader question or point out kind of the obvious here which is that we certainly don't lack ideas and initiative. What we do seem to what sort of stands out to me is that we have more good stuff on our plate than we can really financially afford and more than we have I mean I'm impressed. Always that you and Rafael and Tara and Eileen get as much done as you do I really sometimes I wonder how you guys do it. I'm not joking I'm not trying to flatter you I really don't know how it all gets done. So my where I'm going with this is like, there's this, you know, nearly $2 trillion of coven relief. And I know that they didn't leave cities out of it this time. Do we have any sense of like how we can. You know we work with the chambers, how we can work with other jurisdictions how we can harness any potential funding to to put some more either staff or funding behind some of these initiatives, and prioritize them in a way that will will best and most effectively drive economic recovery and resilience for for Santa Rosa. Yeah, I actually printed out and now somehow cannot find what I printed out the new. What was just passed the through the Senate is going to the house, and there is a whole bunch of new new funding that's available. I lost it. Just tell me it's a lot. But it's a lot but it's I mean a lot of it is how do we. How do we. Okay, here it is. So there's like, it's a lot of it is new opportunities for businesses within the community or things that don't necessarily come in through the city and even if we do get additional funds, like the childcare we did that to the cares act money right, so it does rely on and when we have those opportunities is the creative reuse based on council, council goals, and in that way, I think we need to wait until we see what those opportunities are and what new sort of funds are coming back to the to local municipalities and they're doing better about not having it go state and then the county has to ask for the cities have to ask for it. They're doing better about recognizing that sort of look control of some of the funds. I don't know what those are yet. Do you have a sense of when we might hear because I think that this goal setting conversation would be helpful to have like the piece of information like the report out from council. And then the, the, the sixth cares act or the visit the fifth or the sixth whatever the Joe Biden cares act relief and have a sense of those things so that we could sort of more. I mean it'll change but so we can more directly target what we can do what we can't do and what we wish we could do but we'll have to wait. Yeah, I don't know. Let me ask Adrian. Oh yeah person yet because I think she might have a better understanding of that element of it I haven't been tracking should be able to shoot you an email. Yeah, and I haven't been tracking what that you know what monies might be coming. Because MMO sent us something, but it again it's like, it's things that we could tap into or that businesses could directly tap into. I don't know that second, or if there's another tranche of funds that are coming directly to cities, and if there is how much that Okay, because like what just passed what I do know is that it's like 15 billion for economic injury disaster loans this is those idle loans those are what businesses apply for. There's going to be 28.6 billion indirect grant funding for restaurants. There's 1.25 billion for shuttered venue operator grants. So where that we're in these things is their opportunity for the city to play in that space or even the chamber or any of our private sector partners, or is it directly to those businesses. That have to actually apply alone like as a business owner. Right. Well what might be helpful is once we have a sense of what those, because I thought that there was going to be some direct relief to cities which I thought so too. I would be surprised if there's not but then again, maybe I shouldn't be surprised. If there is not one of the things that might be helpful is to understand what the programs are and if we have any wiggle room to leverage like, if there's tax credits somewhere like how we were able to craft our code really policy or maybe there's something around childcare minority owned businesses where we can maybe have people you know they apply for that grant and achieve another one of our policy goals or outcomes that that they could get a little bit something else where they could have you know permit be permitted more quickly or have priorities what I'm trying to say. Yeah, and you know, like I had to say on that so childcare has been noted and if there are elements of both state and federal program for childcare like they're expanding childcare tax credit those kinds of things but they're also and I don't have the details on these yet but they're also creating additional programs because they recognize childcare is such a huge issue. And then I think the other thing is is like the economic development agency like the federal ADA grants, like, oh, if there's like if, if, like, there's money on the table sometimes for those huge federal grants. But one, they have match requirements frequently into sometimes the parameters of them it's so like we don't have the resources within the city, even if we were able to apply for and get it to actually do the programmatic elements of it. And so that's where we have to start weighing into, like if it's, there's a big difference on the, you know, direct relief to cities funds and what we can do with that, then the confines of a federal grant program or going to state grant program, where we would have to have programmatic elements and we may not have in place. And I think I want to also just point out we need to be careful about expectations around those kinds of funds. Well, anyway, I think I might have created more problems and solutions but I think the takeaway for me is that that hopefully we'll have a little bit more information in our subsequent to if not the next meeting than the following meeting. Yeah, let me ask Adrian but you know you, you never create more problems and solutions you just open up the opportunity to explore a little bit deeper so that's such a you could be a politician. I am. Totally agree. Because you know we don't there's so many more questions than there are answers and it seems like the the questions and the answer seem to be changing on a regular basis is really really hard to keep track of what's going on. And we don't know it till we know it and sometimes we don't know it till it's gone so it's it's really, I would think it would take a full time person in the city to do nothing but track possibilities of funds and where they're going and how to get them. It's a really important question I think because we, we are in many ways we are for some of our bigger programs, we are dependent on outside funding mechanisms so it's because the city is not exactly flush all the time. And right now we're you know that's well part of what we're, what we're fighting with or what we're dealing with so I think it's a great question, a great comment. And then do you mind taking down the slide then we can go back to just the general conversation because I think the next part that I thank you so much. And the next part that I kind of want to talk about though is this idea of how. Okay, so we know that more. You know, initiatives or requests or ordinances are going to be coming to us so like I feel like, because it came up at the beginning like the right to recall or right to retention. And those kinds of things, like, how, even if we're not talking about that directly or specifically today, how do we look at those in terms of the long term trajectory. And in consideration of the things that we just talked about our resources, whether it be staff or money right is the ability to look at these things over the long haul, not to be, because I think we're moving out of the urgency ordinance reactive stage, right. So then, I feel like it. It's an opportunity then to sort of look further out. And I use, I think, when I think about this I think about minimum wage minimum wage, we had a long lead time. We were able to, yes, hear what labor or workforce sort of interests were, but we were able to have a really broad, inclusive, considerable, you know, are considered discussion with business as well with, with, with business owners. So as we're looking at being these things or as more ideas like social equity ordinance kind of things coming. How do we place those in consideration of the long term, sort of needs and being thoughtful on it. And so, like I say that like when I hear about the right to recall, and those types of things, you know, I start thinking about, okay, is now the time it's not an, is it an urgency thing right now. Right, you know, is this something that yes I understand it might be something that's happening throughout California but right now is it right for us, our unemployment is at 6%. I think it's, I just looked at that like 6.3%, or something like that right, 6.5%, as of February. Our long term average is about 5%. Where we've been, where we've been for the last number of years pre COVID was at 2%. It means here. We've even been able to have enough employees right we people we're told all the time we can't recruit people and anytime a new hotel pops up. Literally the question we're asked is how do we get more employees. It's not. Can we retain them it's that they're being stolen for lack of a better word from other areas, when the, when the casino opened up. There's a big fear that there would be a rush there and then all the other hotels would be under under staff, for example. So, you know it's it's those kinds of things like where does that land in, how do we consider it, given maybe those kinds that kind of framework, or is the question. Yes, let's look at that but first we have to understand what's the affordability of living here. What's our housing kind of things. Do we look first at those and build the foundational pieces to get us to the place where we now then are beyond a question of, of like basically full employment. Do you think like how do you think about them and just using those as an example because I'm pretty sure more ordinance ideas will come up. Did you have your hand up did you want to make fun. No sir I didn't, I didn't have my hand up but but I will say that I think it's important to keep an eye on each in every one of the sectors. One of the things that worries me personally as as a business owner is the buying check. Trump check even I look at those as a band aid to cover the reality of our true economic situation. I do believe that some accounting has been spared from the reality of the unemployment because one our houses keep burning down and there's construction work, frankly, and to live in Sonoma County. So regardless where we're, where we're blessed, but it does worry me that if we were to have a shortfall, what would our true economic situation be. And for that reason I do believe that's important to make sure that our employees are taking care of is if it needs to be on the top of the list at this precise moment that would depend on what other issues are present. One of the things that I'm looking at is the HR 1319 from buying and what that means to the influx of funding should he sign it on 14 I believe in five days I believe that's what I've been hearing. What what happens with the influx of revenues. Do we cover our shortfalls. I believe it does incorporate the cities and the government and the counties in that funding 60. 60 billion if I'm not mistaken, but this is just what was passed by the Senate, and I believe it's still had to go to the house. I'm not aware if that's actually already happened or not. But all those, all those factors kind of work into the, how important is this how important is that, and I think we shouldn't lose sight of any of the factors and move them along evenly or equally if we can if it's at all possible, or feasible. So me personally, don't lose track of anything. And if we can get anything passed and take it off the list such as the list that we just seen a bit ago with the green that those are projects are working black simply we don't have the funding for that. And that's reality. But if we can move along, I would suggest moving it along and taking it out the way and just having it, having it already done something to focus on the other. Thanks Eddie, I have a question right so as far as opening up where are we with our hotels, as far as what is the current status of restrictions on hotels, and numbers of, you know, the occupation of the occupation of those rooms and where do we stand as far as opening up right now with hospitality. I have to double check I mean I know we're about to enter the red tier, which opens things up more and I think until we get there I think they're only allowed to have like essential workers, though to be honest with you, I've been driving around and seeing more for sure it's not necessarily just essential or something like that I think it's essential travel, but when I think by the mid end of March, we're allowed to be. It opens up again, if I recall. Okay, because I know it's one of those questions. I guess these broader or these important discussions, but also sensitive discussions are, you know, my guess is they will, we can, we can make a recommendation and we can, we can fact find and one of the things that I'm not really aware of are all of the, the to recall and the right to retention. And Victoria mentioned it earlier in my role as an as an employer, I considered an overreach government, and I, it really, it, I think we've we, we need to spend a lot of time in making in protecting our, our employees and we also have to be sensitive to the rights of our employers and so telling them who they will bring back and who they won't bring back, telling them in being having government instruct them as to their employees, how they're going to hire them or not. And it is just strikes me as an inappropriate, an inappropriate arm of the government, telling people in the, in the business sector, what to do with their employees so having a broader conversation about that perhaps counsel when we could do it here is to do what I'm worried about is that we're going to is timing. If there is a desire on the, on the council's part or on this body to move that issue forward, we're going to start running. If there are protections that that the council members feel need to be put into place. We need to be starting that conversation now because as we open up that question will have to be will needs to be answered. So that's why, even though I would like to avoid an urgency ordinance because we, we keep doing that and it's going to start. I mean, I don't want everything we do to be urgent. We need, it would be nice to be able to have the, the little bit of time that which means that we would need to start that conversation sooner than later, especially if we're going to move in that direction. And I am fine for one and I'm uncomfortable with that direction. I would, I would love to be able to encourage, but to require is puts me on edge. Any other any comments. Yeah, if I might, you know what I think with this one is that what what I was hoping to accomplish today in this regard is to ask to put it on the next agenda so that we could just collect more information, rather than making a decision today, because you know, it's a really narrow scope of who would be affected by it. But I've been given information about how sensitive these workers are and how, how much of an impact it might have and to race's point that you know about unemployment being low and employment is not is is low and we're blessed here but it's not uniformly low and some business owners and some employees have been so much harder hit than others. And so, while, you know, my, my primary dislike of this proposition has to do with the fact that it's, it's actually really narrow and it doesn't help is enough people, and that there's already a lot of things going on. You know, I do think that it would be helpful to sort of bring it to us like fresh, because I know that when we sort of take it up in this, you know, like, it's really sort of being used as in this conversation as a site like okay well here's all these other things that are coming up. And so I was hoping to deal with it in the, in the more linear way like okay let's let's look at this next time instead of having to react to it today. I think the original question was how do we, you're going to I'm losing track how do we, how do we decide what we're doing. Well, no I mean I think I think we're of the side sort of organically this way it helps to know this so I will definitely I'm going to tendize it for the next one, so that we can have a more specific conversation and then in the meantime try to do somewhere. Yeah, to be clear. I mean it's, I was trying to think about it, in terms of like any, anything and that just any kind of ordinance that we might have to consider and trying to think about it a long term. Some of them, maybe it was a bad example but some might be urgency and some may not be the urgent, right? But it's just how do we, how will we best able to have the conversation consider them more fully with community engagement or engaging the stakeholders that it may or may not affect, right? So I think that's my key piece of it. But to your question, I actually, yeah, this helps because even this conversation helps me understand like where, where does it place for you? What is it? And then let's agendize it and then discuss it further. And then the longer term thing is if it's not like a clear urgency or something that's specifically directed, you know, related to COVID. I think Eddie kind of talked about this a little bit. It's like, okay, let's hold it. Let's know that we need to do it. Let's go back and understand what's swirling around it or if there are initial things that we need to do, and then we can consider it. Can we sort of have, and there will be, you know, a Venn diagram, but can we sort of have a COVID track and an economic, a general economic development track? Yeah, I was thinking like COVID and then it's like economic resiliency. Because I think that sort of like I was trying to tie it back to that, that conversation at council. So yeah, let me see if I can come up with something in that way. And it is a bit then diagram like. Yeah, the other thing that I really agree with John about is that and you is that I would like there to be fewer urgency things going on. It's really difficult, especially, I mean, it was hard because we had, we actually had emergencies before and now it's harder because, you know, if I get a call or, you know, business or workers groups or whatever, you know, then it's, you know, it's in the, because of the nature of the subcommittee, I can't just call John and say, hey, can you agendize this? It's like, well, I will ask to have it agendized during the meeting. And then, you know, next meeting, we will take it up if the committee so chooses. And so that pushes things out. But I do agree that it's better to the degree that we can see things ahead of time. And I don't know if there's a better mechanism if I should just contact you directly. Yeah, because remember, like anytime we'd have it. And so we're running out of time, but I will point out, like I put on here, or it's on the slide, which you can just look at, like the Cal Chambers recommendations. So, you know, we can look at that and we'll read agendize it for the next time we want to look at anything. But oftentimes, that's how we get stuff. Just call me direct because I can just put it on a list. And we can carve out time every time to say, yeah, okay, so these are the new things. Because, like, remember how long that task force was? And I'd be like, you want to pull it out? Or it's, you know, let's keep it there. But now we have an opportunity. And so sometimes it would be months. And then, like, then suddenly it was like, that was the most urgent thing. And it was on a parking lot for months. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I think I love that process. It's open and freewheeling. And I think that the reality, not only do we, I mean, now we're going to wait a month, the open government task force, and their findings and their recommendations, getting something on the agenda for the council takes almost a month. I mean, it's literally, it's not it's three weeks. Yeah, so it's really, I mean, it's as open government is very, very important. And it's definitely going to slow down even more than it was before. So we have, it's, it's, it's, that is something that we need to be mindful of. And that's probably in part why we have been more urgency oriented. Because some of these things couldn't wait. And there will be members of the community that believe that this is another issue that can't wait. And that's part of what I need to find out in this fact finding in the next meeting when we have it at the top of our agenda, I believe so that because so we have time to at least flesh it out as much as possible. Because it's going to, it'll, it'll take some time. We'll have those council goals by the next by the April meeting. I know we're out of time, but Ananda Sweet has had her name, her hands up if we want to do that public comment. Yeah, let's, let's move to public comment if you're okay with that council. Okay. Good morning, Ananda Sweet, Santa Rosa Metro Chamber. First, I do want to thank this council member and staff team for your dedication to the city's economic development efforts at this, you know, really critical time. And specifically for your focus and conversation on business support development opportunities and childcare is just really critical issues to our economic recovery. As you explore additional policy and regulation related to employers and workforce, I would urge that it's crucial to engage employers as part of the process to truly understand any workforce problem we're trying to solve and to work with and engage employers as part of that solution. It's particularly critical to take the time to ensure that any policy solutions that come from this process meet the intended purpose will avoiding unintended negative consequences. Specific to write a recall, I do have to be clear that any form of right of recall ordinance would be extremely burdensome for employers who should be encouraged rather than discourage from reopening or ramping back up to pre-pandemic staffing levels. Any ordinance that adds layers of process, you know, time delays of loss of flexibility absolutely do represent an enormous cost in burden to employers when they can least afford it and would risk whether delays or permanent loss of those positions rather than protecting them. Again, here we would urge you to truly understand any problem you're trying to solve, including the data to support its existence and truly understanding the consequences of any policy solution and the impact of layers of new policy. Thank you again for your time this morning and of course we stand ready to work with you to initiate and support our economic recovery and of course to prevent our shared goals of supporting the thriving Santa Rosa for all. Thanks Ananda. Eileen, do we have any more public comment on this item? I don't see any. I apologize. There are no additional raised hands at this time. Okay, thank you very much. Well, we're at the end of our hour and a half. They always tend to fly by and it's one of the more rewarding endeavors that I get to enjoy is working with this group. So thank you staff and thanks Eddie and Victoria for all your hard work. Raisa and Rafael, you guys always make for a great meeting and so we have a lot on our plate and but we're used to that and we will get through it. So we'll make sure that that item gets on our agenda for our next meeting. We'll prioritize that and give it as much time as we possibly can. In fact, if there's anything that we cannot deal with on that day would probably be would be good and if we end up exhausting our need for information and fact-finding then we'll just the meeting can they'll just will potentially just end a little early. So Victoria. Yeah and then because there had been the request for PLA and we just kind of like add things to the laundry list of stuff that we're working on. What I couldn't remember with that one before I requested it be agendized is I thought that the council talked about that during our goal setting and I thought that I heard for at least four people say that they wanted us to explore that or that wanted the council to explore that. Do you know where I said that's been referred to the Economic Development Subcommittee? Yeah I it has not been I this was really the first that I heard about it. I think I was asked last night is this a consideration? It has not come to me so I don't know where it would go. So when we come back next time could we have you said that we will have the council goals next time or the meeting after? I think we're going to have the council goals before that but I can double check I can ask that PLA question. What would be helpful as a no is if the council gave because that's such a large body of work to consider. If the council did suggest it if you could check with the mayor and see if he would like it to be in this subcommittee or if he had a different process in mind for addressing that goal. I think I have some clarification on what to expect as far as coming from our council goal setting. I think by our next meeting there we should have an articulation of what of what is in our wheelhouse but as far as the staff how their work plan would not be available until the following month. So I think that's two months away but I think that a good snapshot of what is in our wheelhouse I believe will be available for our next meeting. And potentially because I do remember that conversation around the PLAs as well so potentially that clarification will be forthcoming for our next meeting. Okay great. I'll double check as well and so at the very least we'll just have the hospitality right to recall and right to retain a retention and then also just the council goals just so that we have that on there and then what I'll try to do is we don't need to use the presentation about trying to do presentation kind of format so there's an attachment that has that our ongoing list so that we always have available to you and the public anything that's on our ongoing list and I'll try to bucket it that way and I'll try to add that bend diagram. And if we could and I hate to add to your work and maybe this will actually be good for clarification. For instance the the issue around the and my screens are starting to go dark that was actually in our arts being handled by Tara or Tara. I always get the mix. Tara thank you and I apologize Tara that we you might even mention you know where it because it looks like it's sitting in our list but it's actually being handled elsewhere so it's the little if we could add somehow a little bit of clarifying comment about where it's actually living currently would would help not make our list look so it would it would it would add clarity to the list and also give us a sense of who's kind of working on it currently. What you're talking about the out there stuff. Yeah oh yeah exactly okay if possible and if not it's not like an urgent thing but it's it just it adds clarity to our list. Yeah and if you have if you want me to form that list in any other way than what I'm seeing because it's just been sort of an ongoing thing I could definitely do that. I really I like the way it looks personally okay no it's we can we can evolve. Okay thank you all very very very much I really appreciate it was a great meeting and we will see you before then but until our next meeting. Perfect thank you so much bye.