 What's time to talk accessibility? You know, we love that on the no-cellicast and we're at the American printing house right now And I'm with Craig Medor and Dave Wilkinson of the American printing house. How you guys doing? We're doing very well All right hot dogs. Well, let's start out. What are you going to show us here first Greg? Well, probably the two big items we're showing this year one is a partner project. This is called the canute It's from Bristol Braille, which they're actually out of Wales and this is the first multi-line Braille display ever invented Okay, so for those who are not blind and haven't used a Braille display the largest displays before were 40 cells is that right? So 40 cells is 40 40 characters 40 characters, but you were spreading your arms way out. Oh, okay So yeah, so it seems for the for our world This is revolutionary in the sense, but it's it's kind of a sad commentary to that this is the The first time a Braille user would have access to almost a full page of Braille So what what we're looking at here looks like it's one two three four looks like eight or nine nine rows Eight or nine lines of a bunch of little dots coming up and going down showing the alphabet across there, right? This is actually a part and this is part of a book That we loaded in here on a on a USB drive. I'm reading upside down and I'm doing it very badly This is that's oriented for us. I sort of oriented for you This is called the the Nordic. Oh, this is all about the Nordic coast So it's all about the coast. It's an article about the coast of Norway And then that's really let's let's be blind and read upside down. Let's go for the can you do a handstand while you do it They're Dave. I absolutely could And then if I hit this little the forward button here now I'm going to the next screen and what makes this really Really incredible as Braille technology has been super expensive. I've got a little note-taking device over my shoulder here That's about a three thousand dollar device that has 20 cells of Braille which looks cute and it's wonderful And it's small but it's ridiculously expensive This guy we're looking at a price tag of under $2,000 for nine lines of Braille 40 cells across Which is just insane My understanding was always that the difficulty in making these less expensive Was that the accuracy required to pop those little cells up and down? But this has each each cell appears to have like two I don't know two rotating pieces that are coming up and down That's right. It's got little wheels that are I'm sorry I just whapped it's got two little wheels that are zooming around and bringing the dots up on each side of the cell So you've got it doesn't have to be accurate with each pin. That's correct That's correct. It's still accurate, but it's a different technology But what she's saying is you don't have to have all the little pins pop up Yeah, so the machining and mechanism isn't as complicated because you're bringing this wheel around. That's right That goes behind the mouth is intense To make sure you have accurate Braille which is beyond my my scope of intelligence, but the folks in Bristol have done a great Can we turn the page again, and I'm going to hold the mic not to you, but to the page so we can hear it From the top down so that even though their fresh rate is an instant meaning that the page the pens coming up You can start reading at the top and then it keeps ahead of you as you're going towards the bottom Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that noise you heard was the little rotating things flipping into place line by line by line Well, that's pretty terrific. All right. What's the next thing we're going to take a look at next thing We're going to talk about is and we actually showed this last year, but we've made several improvements This is the graffiti. It's a product partner product with orbit research This is the world's first multi level tactile tablet again Seems amazing in this day at age 2018 that this has never been done before So let me describe to to the audience what we're looking at is it's a grid of of dots and they're at they're at different heights They look like they're kind of all at the same height here Yeah, this is a low-grade image and they are all at the same height. I think this is one of stevie's album covers Okay, that's the ces logo. Sorry. So maybe we could switch to another one. We can see it go We get a different filter here. All right. So he's pushing a button here. They're all the Now we're getting now we're getting cool Look at it. So now I've got different heights that are representing the darkness and the light and the The higher the dot The the darker the color for the ces logo. I see. Yeah, so I can see the the background of the of the logo Not just the letters. That's exactly right. And so I can Let's make sure all the sighted people see what the blind guy's looking at, right? We've got to have accessibility for the sighted people Yeah, there you go Yeah, actually, I think it's the other way around Dave. The the the high stuff might be the light. Well, actually, I don't know It doesn't see us. We'll have to look at our badge. There we go. Actually. Yeah, I don't know But it doesn't matter. It's the contract. It's the contrast you look at So we're looking at you said this is more like a 16 bit image It's more of a 16 bit image which is again has not been done before so it's we would The nice thing about this is this is foundational in the sense is we're hoping a lot of what aph does Is we introduce technology Brilliance is the american printing house printing house for the blind We introduce these ideas with the hope as this is going to inspire somebody some company somewhere to say I can do it better faster cheaper and take this idea and technology to the next level Because we're a nonprofit. So this is like a reference design kind of thing. This is a foundation This will be a foundational piece that hopefully 10 years from now 15 years from now everyone will say this was this was a seminal piece of Technology is that the next thing got us moving to the next level. Yes I asked you beforehand before we start recording. What was the one thing you'd like people to take away from what they hear today? Can you repeat what you say? Yeah, I I think it's this idea of Accessibility needs to be built in from the front end and so much of what we do and it's part of what we've done for 160 years is fixing That that piece it's like Whether it be a print moving print to braille or whether it be creating educational products that are available to a student Who is blind or visually impaired or technology is creating fixes for the industry because they didn't think about Intelligent design or universal design on the front end It seems like that that's starting to shift it is shifting some and you know that it while we're very excited by all the Work that the big major companies are doing right now where they're really putting a lot of attention to accessibility The one thing we would continue to encourage them is to broaden Their idea base and and really reach out to the experts reach out to people who are blind and visually impaired and really create a strong robust Not just testing because they do good with job with testing But a strong robust field of designers who are blind or visually impaired So you're getting it right from the beginning Well, it's sort of like having a diverse workforce in in race creed culture In accessibility as well, right because you can't really Understand innately what the world is like unless you are blind, right? Absolutely, and the one thing I would add to what craig says is that There's a myth Out there that that braille is dead or dying and braille is not dead or dying with something like the graffiti I can take an image for my cell phone and instantly have it put on to to raise Line drawing so that I can see what i'm looking at The the possibilities with braille are astounding and so as we're moving forward It's sort of my my soapbox would be that audio is not is not the same as braille And braille it has has amazing outstanding potential with the lower cost braille cells that are being produced And that's one of the things that really excites me one of the things I think about with braille versus audio is When you read as a sighted person you have a difficult experience and when someone reads to you Because your imagination builds. What is that world? You can see it in your head. What's going on? I would think the same thing would be truth braille absolutely not to mention the fact that an audio when you're listening It's a passive experience. You're just sitting there or you're and where when you're reading whether it's You're looking at a piece of paper or you're running your fingers over a piece of paper You're actively involved in the experience that's taking place So it's it's a more active It's it's reading is an active participation sport whereas when you're listening to it You can just be sitting there thinking about your dishes Yeah, exactly. And aren't we all all right? Well if people want to learn more about the work that you're doing here Where would they go? Well, they can come to our booth here at ces if they're here We'd love to see them and say hi and show them what we have if not they can come out to our website www.aph.org And uh, we will have it's a Website that will take you days to get through because the amount of information that is there About products as well as about the field in general. So it's A lot of information. Thank you very much gentlemen for you taking the time to talk to us today