 All right. All right. Dear O'Daymeh is the former publicity secretary of the People's Democratic Party. Dear O'Daymeh, please stay with us. So we take you into the next topic, where all the federal government through the Minister of Information, Al-Hajjilay Muhammad, has raised alarm over an alleged threat by the People's Democratic Party to organize another Ansar's protest. Muhammad said the opposition party is planning to overheat the polity and sabotage the administration of President Muhammad Buhari, describing the People's Democratic Party as a desperate and hungry opposition. Muhammad urged the party to wait for the 2023 elections to test its popularity. The Minister noted that the plan of the main opposition party was to overheat the polity, distort Buhari's achievements and misinform Nigerians. Dear O'Daymeh, I don't expect you to agree with Al-Hajjilay Muhammad there. But I mean, it's the PDP, the right authority, the right group to call Nigerians out to protest against something similar to the Ansar's protests. There are two ways to look at this situation or the question. On the PDP era, there are pictorial evidences that both President Buhari, Al-Hajjilay Muhammad and the likes of them staged protests against PDP to Nigerians, trying to blackmail PDP. And it really worked because Nigerians took them serious. If they are now alleging that PDP is planning another Ansar, the question is, was PDP the party that planned the first one that happened in this country? And the purpose of the Ansar's protest, as the government met the requirements of these youths, has there been any promise made that has been fulfilled? They are only running away from their shadow. And at times, when they dish out this kind of information, you ask them, you are in government, you have all the government apparatus with you, you have the security agencies with you, you are in control. Why can't you make a rest if your investigation proved that PDP or the personality in PDP are planning another Ansar's? I think when information like this comes out, you have to look at the messenger who is giving the information. Of course, like Muhammad is doing the job, he is paid for. And at times, even psychologically, if you see, like Muhammad speaking, you will see that he is saying the direct opposite of what is the reality on ground and what he knows. But in their usual character, in their belief that it's only through propaganda, through life that they can sustain this government, they will continue to talk like this to Nigerians. Forgetting that Nigerians are not fools. Nigerians are recording, they will get their Ansar in 2023. And Nigeria will redefine their destiny in 2023, it's sooner than, you know, later. All right, so what are the things that I mean happened in the Ansar's protests? One of the things that have been said rather about the Ansar's protests is that even the People's Democratic Party was a part of the problem, that police brutality didn't start today. So I'd like to know what your party has done in the past to end police brutality. Mr. Deiro Odeimi, what has the PDP done in the past to end police brutality? And then show justice for Nigerians? Well, you keep asking what has PDP done in the past? Are you talking of the past of last year, of a year before? We are talking of seven years. Let's repeat it if you want to go. Let's repeat it if you want to go. That if they're going to be protests, you're calling Nigerians out to organize protests, to be part of a protest that is similar to the Ansar's protests and all that. So I'm saying, let's look at the Ansar, you were talking about that. So let's look at that for a moment, the issue of police brutality, which drew a lot of Nigerian youth out. What had the PDP done in the past, even when they were in a position to end police brutality and ensure justice for victims? The issue of police brutality was not pronounced and was not as bad as during APC time. And that is why during PDP era, there was no protest of that nature. So what you are now saying is, people, this Ansar's protest emanated from police brutality during APC era. You cannot point to a single day when there was this kind of protest during PDP era. So it's nowhere, and it happened and it started during APC time. And what we are now saying is, what have they done to address the issue raised during these Ansar's protests? So there is no basis for comparison, simply because seven years ago, this issue did not occur at all. It is the creation of APC, which was protested against by Nigerians. And if again, there is any plan to stage another protest, of course, they have the opportunity to check that, rather than raise or necessarily allow that PDP is planning another protest. We don't have time for that. We are still battling about who is going to fly our flag, where we still have the usual of campaign, we still have the usual of organizing ourselves and setting up a proper strategy through which we want to win elections. So what concerns all that? We say Nigerians are suffering, and they don't have the solution. And the best thing they could do to sustain themselves in office is to accuse whoever and everybody about what they know is the plan of Nigeria. So are you saying that the People's Democratic Party is not interested in leading or organizing or being a part of any protests on the state of affairs in the country as we speak? We have every reason and justification to do it if we want to do it. And I'm not saying we cannot do it or we not do it. But what I'm saying is, are PDP members not Nigerians? So even Nigerians decide to protest against the government that is not putting smiles on their faces. Why must you now accuse PDP? And if you're accusing PDP, you have the information, make some arrests and prevent it from not happening. There was a report that some security agencies in the country were monitoring three governors for allegedly having a sinister plan. They had a meeting and they alleged to have had a sinister plan to instigate protests in the north, in the south, and I think in the south-south as well as in the southeast or southwest, I need to be sure. But no, in the north and the central and in the south-south, yes. And what was said was that these governors, three of them were being monitored by the nation's security agencies, they were placed under a security watch. As a matter of fact, they were said to have had a meeting where they laid out plans to instigate or foment a crisis in the country starting with the north. And we're told that we have a very vocal governor in the south-south who is organizing this, three governors from the opposition PDP. So if the security authorities or security agencies have such information that they are actually trying to instigate something, they place these governors under security watch, then probably Lae Mohamed knows what he's talking about. These are damning and serious allegations that constitute a threat to the entity called Nigeria. And if the minister, a high-ranking officer of Nigeria is making this kind of an allegation, I would liken it to a coup. If you know some people are planning a coup, I think what the military does in most times is to arrest and mop up the planners. You don't wait for them until the coup is executed. So if you have information about these governors, what are you waiting for? Even if you are not ready to make a rest, let us know them and stop this blackmail of three governors south, north, everywhere. Make an arrest unless it was going to happen. And I want to tell you, APC has a system. Whatever it is they are planning to do, they first pronounce it and make it a kind of an information to Nigerians. Maybe they are seeing these governors, I don't know, maybe they are seeing them as a threat. They are going towards the rigging machinery in 2023, and they think the best thing they can do is just to blackmail them or rope some things on their neck and get them arrested. If that is the plan, we advise them to desist because Nigerians are no fools. And we are talking the situation that if you don't have concrete evidence to arrest anybody or to substantiate this claim, please don't throw Nigerians into confusion. Answer and admit that you are not capable of governing Nigerians again instead of using propaganda against individuals in PDP. Al-Hajjilay Mohamed was specific by saying that the People's Democratic Party who are complaining about the state of affairs in the country and warning the Buhar administration that there might be protests akin to the Ansar's protest, that the People's Democratic Party itself laid the foundation for the misery that the nation is going through or for the sufferings of Nigerians right now. And they are saying that what the People's Democratic Party, the opposition party, is doing at the moment is gloating, is gloating that Nigerians are suffering under the present administration. Meanwhile, you and your party were the ones who looted and ripped the nation and left the nation in the precarious situation, which has led to what we have today. So he said you laid the foundation for the suffering of Nigerians when you went out. I'm happy that one of their cardinal points when they came into office is to fight corruption. If they are accusing PDP of bleeding the country, of looting the country of resources, the question is the last seven years, how many Nigerians have been jailed of PDP origin? Instead, what we see is that they are playing politics with it and they're just mounting it. If and if you know you have embezzled money in this country, all what you need to do is just to cross over to APC or your sins are forgiven. How many of them are going to try us now? Even the new chairman that was just choosing two consensus has 149 cases against, you know, he has 149 cases with ESCC. And what are we saying? If there is a government that says, yes, we are fighting corruption, what have they done with the likes of Femme Calderon? The man has not been charged or, you know, been found guilty rather of any of these 149 cases. For seven years that they have been in government, I'm asking a question, how many Nigerians were they able to jail? If indeed they want to establish the fact that PDP has the government looted Nigerians. Lai Mohamed, Lai Mohamed, you know, he talked about the fact that from 1999 to 2015, the years which a party was in power, that you derived the country of the full benefits of the oil rainfall at a time of rising prices. So, you know, like we say in journalism, you are as good as your last presentation. When the PDP was leaving power under good luck, Jonathan, the records are there to show that the windfall from the excess crude oil earnings were nowhere to be found. I shake my head for, you know, for people who believe what they are saying. And I will continue to repeat it. Nigerians are not stupid. They know what, they know the truth. I still continue to ask that question. If you believe that PDP or Donny PDP administration, the funds were looted. My brother, the issue of, what is his name again? Who was that? Oh, I forgot him. The issue of corruption in this country, I continue to say it. If you have evidence against individuals in PDP, what has been done to bring them to book and let them be an example, you know, to future generations? I don't understand. Honestly, I don't understand. He's giving me serious updates because what you are now saying is, yes, PDP looted the country and for the past seven years, we could not get it right. Is that an excuse? Is that a statement that should come from the serious government? Okay, in costing home with this, Mr. Dirodemi, I want to ask you again, what were the people's Democratic Party, if it wrestles back power from the All Progressives Congress in 2023, do differently to certain Nigeria on the right footing, on the path to recovery? We are going to do a lot of things differently. For instance? And just like I said, having been out of government for almost eight years, we are going to improve the situation of security in this country. What about master plan? I'm not going to disclose it. What is in the master plan, Mr. Dirodemi? I mean, there's nothing that you will still end up disclosing it. Is there a master plan for security? What is in security master plans? Because some of the states that are going through insecurity right now are governed by members of your party. So what's in the master plan? The master plan cannot be disclosed in the open now. We are talking about security issues. And what I'm saying is, at a serious political party, we have gone wide and far to see how we can solve this problem when we get to office. Because we know that is one of the cardinal things that is going to be recorded for us when we get to office. Are you saying that your party has a solution to the security situation in the country? But you don't want to provide those solutions till Nigerians vote you into power. In other words, you are hoarding information. That's what you're saying. When we get to the bridge, we don't have to cross it. Don't forget, we are safe when we go to the country. You are saying that you have information and a plan that may potentially save lives. But you're not going to suggest this to the federal government. You're not even going to suggest it to your state governors. You're going to hoard it and wait to see if Nigerians vote you into power. Is that a fair thing to do for a party that says it cares so much about Nigerians? Every political party do have their own strategy through which they want to win elections. So for you, it's all about winning elections, not helping Nigeria? Of course. If they come to us for advice, we will open their eyes. But you can make statements. You can make statements. I know where you are going. I know where you are going. What do you want to put up? You are saying that all you want to do is win elections. That's what you're saying. Not to help Nigeria. So the information you have, you won't release it until Nigerians vote you in. We don't have the power. We are not in government. We don't have that authority to tell them that this is how to do it. But you can put them for me again. You can have a press conference. And they have to be. They have the way we talk to do it. So why are you not telling us that we are not in government to come and solve the problems of security? By the time we told them that the security personnel, that if the chief of families have the air force and everything, you know, whatever is the strategy, they know they can subdue terrorism. Did they listen to us? No. They did not. Why are you only changing them at the time you thought yes? It's not time for me to do it. So whatever advice you give to a deaf man, he will continue to do what he wants to do. So we do what he wants to do. Which of these strategies have you been able to suggest to your state governors in states that have had insecurity in the southeast and the south south and the middle belt in Ben West state? Have you suggested some of these strategies to Samuel or Tom so that at least he can stop complaining about insecurity for now? Have you suggested any of these strategies to any of these people? If you look at the composition of the security architecture of this country, no government has that power over security issues in their domain. And the whole thing it goes, you know, starts from the federal level. It's being controlled by the president and that is why we are agitating to have, you know, our own independent security at me, which brought the issue of a multiple in the south. And if you compare the number of atrocities of criminality in the south, you will agree with me that it is reduced to the parent's minimum unlike what is happening in the north. So they don't have that power. It's the federal government that has the absolute power to say, yes, this is the direction we want security to go. Thank you very much. Diro Dehemi is from a deputy publicity secretary of the opposition, People's Democratic Party. Mr. Dehemi, it's been a thrill having you. Thank you for your patience and for your time. Thank you very much for having me. And that's the size of a package tonight on Plus Politics. I'm Kofi Battels. Thank you for watching Return Tomorrow.