 It was true. Is there anything that you know you can't be wrong about or like something you have like a lot of confidence in? I'm the wrong guy for that. Ah! I'm the wrong guy. You might be the best guy to talk to then. Without everything. Cause I am- Anyway sir, hey, could you help me out? Could you have a five minute chat with me? I know that sounds random. I know that. Thank you man. I'm like the best bitch. I've been working on ways to like get people to have a five minute chat. I think I should just be straightforward like that. Helps out a lot. Anyway, um, my whole thing is So that guy's over there, he's yelling at people kind of and I'm really more about like I'm not trying to sell tickets to any church or any concert or anything like that. I want to know what you think is true and I want to show that you can have like a really nice dialogue with anyone about anything. That's my whole deal. Okay. Let me reset. I'm Ty by the way. Hunter. Hunter? Nice to meet you Hunter. Ooh, I don't know what happened. Anyway, five minute timer. Normally the funnest talks that we have are about things that you strongly believe is true. Is there anything that you know you can't be wrong about or like something you have like a lot of confidence in? I'm the wrong guy for that. You might be the best guy to talk to then. Without everything. Cause I am in that position right now. Like my whole thing is I don't know is probably one of the best answers you can give when you never have when you don't have conclusive evidence I don't know is always the best answer. That's my perspective. But um, do you have like a supernatural belief like karma, re-information? Do you believe in God? Do you like spiritual or like do you think Iron Man is the best Iron Man movie? Anything like that. I don't know that I would say I have any supernatural belief. I grew up Christian. I grew up Christian with a lot of questions about the faith. I grew up in a pretty conservative Christian church. So growing up in that, I mean I just had a lot of questions about things that didn't really make sense to me. What are some of the questions that didn't make sense? So um, I grew up Southern Baptist and a core belief is that a core belief would be that anyone who is not who does not directly profess their faith and is saved by God is damned to hell. And so I mean from like sixth grade I saw what I believe to be some flaws in that system with the concept of there being an all loving and ever forgiving God that is omnipotent and omniscient and allowing His creation to exist on an earth where based on where you're born basically you go to heaven or hell. Right. So that was probably my main thing that led me away from my denomination in particular. Okay. I would say that just kind of existentialism led me away from religion in general. Whoa, I never heard that before. Like the idea that you would die or that your life is limited is what got you out of religion. Typically that pushes people into it. No, I would say the maybe I'm using existentialism in a different maybe I have a different context for it or I'm just using it the wrong way. But um, what I mean was the fact that believing in something where there is no irrefutable evidence like of God of whatever, I mean there's I believe there's something to be said. Like it's admirable that people would believe in something without seeing it in their own eyes. But to me it just the question of what religion you follow is so closely related to the question of where you were like what social setting you were born into that I could I don't think I'll ever be able to fully believe in any faith. Let's take it to the complete flip side. So on the extreme, on one extreme end people who are like absolutely confident that a God exists. But you also have on a completely other extreme end people who not only lack of belief but also claim that no God exists. What about those people? I don't really I would say they're obviously opposite ends of a spectrum. I would say that there's not a lot of difference between them. Is that the opposite end of the spectrum? It's like almost it's own. It's not even like full loop. Yeah, it's like a two spectrum in a way. Because he's not even saying like you believe in a God, you don't believe in a God. And then there's a completely different spectrum. It's like I believe that there is no God and then there's people who don't believe that either. And then there's just the spectrum of I believe I am right and I don't know. And so I think anyone on the end of the spectrum that's I believe that I am right I wouldn't say that I look down on those people or that I think less of them they're a little confused I guess, because I mean knowing that the only things we can know are things that were taught. Like no person was born with a religion. No person was born praising God. So anything that you've been taught in whatever community, whether you grow up in like a very strict Pentecostal or even like Amish setting you believe what you're taught to believe and I think that more important is that the self-doubt is very important in the entire scheme of things more so than like what God you claim or whatever. I would say yeah like in the religion question what I am sure of what I am most sure of is that maybe not self-doubt but self I'll say self-doubt because I can't come up with a better word. But the fact that you question fully believing that you have affirmed truth is the most important. Can I try rephrasing that then? Open mindedness is the most important. Open mindedness is the most important. Open what if and this probably goes back to open mindedness but I'm just going to ask the question what if one of those religions was right? Like one of the world, some guy in Aztec temple has a talking totem wooden statue and that is God that created the universe. Like how? If they're right. I think I've thought about this a lot if in the event that someone with an exclusionary view in terms of salvation, in terms of whether you go to heaven or hell is right, I don't think I would want to go to heaven. I don't think I would want to be in the grace of a God that punishes people based on things that aren't in their control. You may not necessarily worship or would you believe it's true at that point? The point that I'm in heaven? No, when they can demonstrate to you that they're true to a criteria of your satisfaction that what they're saying is true you may not necessarily worship but would you at least be open to the admittance of okay, if you were right about that then I'm not going to worship back up. I think it would depend a lot that would to my own extent if someone proves to me if God opens up the sky and some huge miracle happens and I in my own belief know for sure in my own head that whatever this God exists, in the event that it's still this God or whatever and there's still people being damned to hell based on factors that they're not in control of, based on their environment or where they've grown up, I wouldn't worship that God I would accept that it was real if that's what I believe if some, I don't know what it would take for me because I mean you say what if they're right what if they show you some irrefutable evidence and atheists have been showing irrefutable evidence for, I mean if you're going to say what if they show evidence then I feel like the easiest thing to do is to just go to atheists who have this long line of evidence for why everything they believe is true because it's based in science and materialism what does an atheist believe is true a lack of supernatural, a lack of supernatural presence disagreeing, is that what an atheist is someone that is it not? what is an atheist? someone that's not a theist? someone that's not a theist okay so what is someone who believes solely in the material world oh, a realist so I would say replace atheists before with realists who has all of their evidence stacked up with them they can put an argument behind any point and bring up I wouldn't still say that I wholly believe that person to be right because in any, no matter what evidence you put, as long as some other person so strongly believes in something I'm going to give myself some amount of healthy doubt before I entirely discount another person's opinion you're welcome, that's pretty good thank you Hunter good to talk keep it up, that's really good I'm inviting anyone to have a quick 5 minute chat with me and that was a little over 5 minutes sorry about that it's a chat about whatever you want you want to sit down and have a chat about whatever you want I'm tired by the way nice to meet you get in there, that is not your handshake America alright, let me reset the camera