 Okay. Well, I would like to call the June 14th, 2021 Parks and Recreation Advisory Board meeting to order. Could we please start with the roll call? Sue Alberg, Scott Conlon, Jeff Ellen Bowen. Here. Paige Lewis. Here. Nicholas Novello. Here. Dan Olson. Here. I have not received any notification from Council liaison Aaron Rodriguez, but I see he's not here. Thank you. Okay, we'll move on to approval of the agenda. Does anyone have any proposed changes to the agenda? Great. Okay. Then I just need a motion to approve. I will motion to approve the agenda. Thank you. Thank you. Second. All those in favor. Hi. Great. The agenda is approved. Okay. And approval of previous month. Does anyone have any changes to the previous month? I do have one additional amendment and that is that Kathy Cron was not actually at the meeting. I'm sorry about that. I put her as present when she is not. She's always here in spirit. It's true. Okay. Seeing no proposed changes. Again, I just need a motion to approve. I move we approve the minutes with that change. Thank you. Kathy Cron's presence. Thank you. Any second. Thanks to all those in favor of approving the minutes. Great. Thank you. The minutes are approved. Okay. So no public invited to be heard. I have not received any notification. I don't believe Aurora has either. No chair. No public invited to be heard as of yet. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead and continue on to old business. Jeff, is that you? Yeah. Yep. So. At the last meeting we had talked about tabling. The. Field trip discussion until we knew more. About what the guidelines would be. We believe that. We can now transport people. We can move forward with it. We can move forward with it at this point in time. We would have to wear a mask. Based on the transportation guidelines. But at least we can. Can. Find the trip and. And move forward with it. If board still wants to do that. So. Great. Okay. So let. Let's talk about it. A date first. And it appears that. The date is August 9th. And so would it be best to. Look at trying to do the field trip in August. During our. Regular meeting or what. What are the thoughts? To me. Everyone available for the August meeting. What is the date? You happen to know. August 9th. August 9th. August 9th. August 9th. I will not be. I will not be available, but that's all right. I mean, you're never going to find everybody. So. I'm getting back into town that evening. So it depends if we're starting at our normal time, it should not be a problem if it's earlier, I may not be able to make it. Would that be a normal kind of schedule or not? I mean, it's obviously going to be daylight. What is, how does it usually work? started a little bit earlier. Normally we've tried to be on the road by 5.15 at the latest. So is there is evening the best or would it be better to try it on a Saturday morning or something? I'm open to either. I just that day I may not be back by five and I'm fine with if I have to miss it. That's fine. Do we want to try for later in that week? I mean we could do it. Who are you out that whole week? I'm coming back into town late on the 11th. So or 12, but you know I'll be there. Yeah, I can't do that weekend. Sorry if we're doing it later in the weekend. I can't do it. Well, I was wondering about maybe the 12th or 13th. What about staff with that would moving it to a different day that week work for you guys? The 12th or the 12th or 13th is that what you said? I don't know about a Friday night as far as if we're going to invite council, but I could make any of the 11th or 12th or 13th work. David or Steve? Yeah, yeah, I can make any of those times work. Actually August works well for me. So July would have been a little more challenging, but whatever works for the majority I can make work. Same here. I can make those things work. So what if we did that Thursday in the evening? August or not Thursday, but that's okay. Either way, I play golf on Thursdays. Maybe you could make an exception just this one. Your game won't suffer, Dan, I promise. It might get better. Who knows if I take a week off? We're talking about a five people start because I won't be able to make it before five that day. I just want to confirm. I think that's what we're saying. Yeah, five. Yeah. So we're saying five PM on Thursday, August 12th. Yep. And I get like a thumbs up. Is that in lieu of Monday's meeting then? You think that's in lieu of Monday's meeting or in addition to? I was thinking in lieu of that we would just so we'd have to notice it probably some way. Yeah. Does that mean anybody? Can people from the public choose to join then? Yes, they would just need to provide their own transportation to the locations and we could notify on primary stops that we'd make. So if that is the I'm sorry, go ahead Paige. Oh, I was just asking if that I'm just trying to look at all the little squares and make sure that looks like it'll work for everyone. I don't see anyone shaking their head. I can't guarantee I'll be there, but you know, it's fine. I may not. I'm coming from Durango, so I don't know. So yeah. It's fine. Okay. Well, let's go with that. If that works for style. Any clue whether City Council likes Thursdays? I have no idea. Okay. I will reach out to the clerk's office tomorrow and let them know and just see what feedback I get. Okay, good idea. If you run into something that none of them will be available, then let us know. We can think about it because we need to make an adjustment. Okay. Okay. So then are we ready to talk about where we want to go? Well, that's what I was going to suggest, Jeff, is that we don't need two months to plan the route. No, we don't. So we could certainly let the board think about it for the next month and talk about it in July or solicit your top five locations via email or whatever and then just try to distill some common threads. That might be the easiest way of doing that. All right, let's do that because we did get comments from all the board on their suggested location. So let's check with Council and get their feedback and then we could finalize this at the July meeting the locations. And I think Steve's presentation tonight may help inform some of that. I would agree. Sounds like a good plan. I really appreciate you guys being willing to give some thought to what would be helpful for us to see and also taking our feedback into account. And Jeff, you'll reserve the van? Yes. Thank you. Won't I Aurora? That was a code, yes. Yes, we will. All right, thanks. Okay. Anything else under old business? Okay, let's move on to new business. And the first item is the Adam Farm Property Acquisition. Dan Holford, I think that's you. That is, that is. Thank you very much. Glad to be here, especially on this particular item. I think you've probably noticed that well over the last year it seems it's been in the natural resources update, my update for the open space acquisition. In your packet is a map that reflects the location of this property. The Adam Farm Property is located at 11684 Weld County Road five and a half. It's approximately 139 acres. Immediately that would be west of St. Frayne State Park. It's very interesting in this negotiations. David and I have been involved in this particular negotiations for what appears to be over two years. It's certainly been a challenge where they had a real estate agent that really wasn't communicating, if you will, between the family in the city. And as a result of that and the frustration, the family's attorney jumped in and they pushed out, if you will, the real estate agent. And so we are now to the point where we are pretty darn close to having a signed purchase agreement with the family. So with that there's about six years of oligarchy with about 100 or somewhere in about 130 acres for a total of $5.5 million. We worked very hard. We tried initially to start with a go-go grant to get some support. And I think we would have been a lot more successful if State Parks would have been willing to participate in this land acquisition. That's not the case. So it would be our hopes that very soon we'll get that signed contract from the family and then we'll present that to City Council. Again, the reason, there's so much that needs to go on after Council signs this, because this property in particular has been annexed into the town of Firestone. And one of the agreements, if you will, with that annexation into Firestone, Firestone requested a first right of refusal. So now once we get Council to sign off on this, we'll turn this back over to the town of Firestone to see if they really want to spend $5.5 million to acquire the property. From just general discussions that we've had, David and I both, I can't imagine that the town is really looking to come up with $5.5 million for additional residential development that was earlier in the late 90s. It was anticipated as a residential piece of property, especially when we are providing potential recreation opportunity with trail connections to the St. Frank Greenway and a variety of other amenities that could be part of that. Included in this acquisition, like I said, $5.5 million, Boulder County is participating in this with us. They are coming to the table with $2 million. So we're fortunate to be partnering with Boulder County on this. In turn, Boulder County will receive a conservation easement and hold a conservation easement on that. Additionally, we will be entering into a agricultural farmland lease with the family for 10 years. That's one of the stipulations. They believe that they would like to continue with ag operations for about another 10 years. So we'll see how that goes. You know, the nice thing, it fits very well within the open space map is a community buffer. It certainly fits well from an agricultural preservation perspective. It allows us to preserve yet another about three quarters to a linear mile of the St. Rain Creek. So with all of that, the only thing that's really kind of awkward strains, you know, part of the negotiations that we all have to do with is that the family is now asked to retain about a total of 11 acres and four development lots. So again, once we go back to the town of Firestone, since this is in in Bananix into Firestone, and they hopefully will give us tell us they're not interested in first-writer refusal, then we have to go through their land use department and go through a subdivision exemption with them and break out these four eight, these four lots, if you will. And those four lots are shown on the other map that you'll in your packet. So those are the lots that the family will then retain for whatever purposes they feel they need. And we've said, you know, from that perspective, they have four lots, they can configure them however they want. We will retain a conservation easement on all of these lots. Each lot will be limited to a single residential development, not to exceed 15,000 square feet. So if you consider, you know, these lots, almost three acres, that would be a house, maybe some outbuildings, but not to exceed that. So with this, we're finally coming to a conclusion. I think we're excited about it. The family is excited about it. I hope you are too. So we're, I will open this up for discussion and really look for a recommendation to go to council. It would be our hope that we would have a signed contract by the family, hopefully by the end of the month. We'll see how that goes. Great. Thanks, Dan. Yeah, looking at the map, it definitely looks like an important puzzle piece in that sort of larger protection ring up there. Yeah, Dan Olson. Remind me, Dan, where does the trail connector to St. Brain Park? Is that on the northwest side of the St. Brain in this area or on the southeast side of the St. Brain? Board, here's where we're thinking again. It's all conceptual at this point in time. We've got the St. Brain corridor that goes under State Highway 119 that makes it into the park. What we would anticipate that we would have an east-west corridor, trail corridor from Union Reservoir that would go through the Turner open space, through the Newby open space, which is immediately to the north of the Adam Dairy Farm. Those two and a half squares that I see on your map. Yeah, exactly. It's more of an east-west connection from Union Reservoir along 26 or some way along that corridor that would then tie in through the Adam's farm property into St. Brain State Park. There would actually be probably two connections into the State Park, one being St. Brain Greenway, the southern one being an east-west connection. Again, anticipating that we will be building over the next few years that loop trail around Union Reservoir. Thanks. One more question quick. The two residential areas immediately west and southwest of the Adam farm property, those two squares, are they in Longmont, Firestone, Weld County, are they incorporated? Both of those are in Firestone, yes. So the little notch, if you will, in the Adam farm property, we will be adjusting that and incorporating that 11 acres in their square and making some lot line adjustments associated with the subdivision exemption through the Firestone process. And again, ideally if you look at that, oh, you know, it's probably 35 acres just south and east of the Adam dairy farm, we'd really love to approach that landowner and acquire conservation easement. We know that he's interested in building a couple residential units on there. It would be great if we could preserve the balance of that corridor and then limit development 200 feet from the center line or something of that nature. That would be, you know, another goal that we would love to do. David, did you want to add something? Yeah, just to Dan's question about that trail comes in, one of the things I think is a great opportunity is that this trail, well, the one from like the damage from the south and the same greenway tying into the state park and then heading out to the east too, that very naturally ties into that regional trail system then that, you know, Longmont is really done. I think one of the best jobs of making all the pieces there, those out and backs would be nice. What really does for Longmont residents is because I think a great potential loop opportunity to come in on the state brain, come up through the state park, head back around through that union piece that Dan talked about through newbie and stuff. So I think it just provides a lot of great opportunities and Dan mentioned that protection in the state brain creek. If you start looking at maps with the protection there, the protection of the state parks, the protection of Boulder County and the lines, we have a significant, we have significantly those agencies protected majority of the same brain creek from I-25 up to Lyons. So it's pretty impressive what this acquisition does. So I also just want to thank Dan because he mentioned us working for two years. This is the second time Dan has worked on this project too. So he's got a lot more time in this than the two years that he and I have put in. So what do you have a nice thing about from a trail connection to? It certainly will provide a regional trail connection over to Meade High School, which provides, again, another safe option. I'm not familiar. How familiar you are with Weldon County Road 26? Is it ties into County Road 7? But it's kind of crazy out there right now. And if we could provide an off-road opportunity for whether it's any kind of pedestrian traffic, we certainly know that David and you can vouch to this is some of the cross-country events or track events that go on. This provides yet another pretty nice connection to the high school out there. Nicholas, did you have a question? Yes, thank you, Paige. So Dan, you mentioned that the property will be used for agricultural purposes for a period of 10 years. Yeah. So how does that work with the, you know, we're talking a lot about, you know, trail systems and regional trail systems connecting, conservation easements. How does that, how do those two things interact if they're being used for agricultural purposes? Yeah, some probably some perfect examples of how agricultural and the recreational trails and the interaction there would be on Golden Farms property where the St. Creek and the Golden Farms and the Greenway are immediately adjacent to each other. You know, in that particular location, there's a fence separator between those two and we've not had any difficulty or problems there. Another good example would be the most recent opening of Spring Golf II trail connection out at Union Reservoir that runs basically from Union Creek golf course with a final destination being sandstone. At this point in time, there's not a fence that separates the agricultural fields from, you know, the Greenway trail. We're going to see how that works. Generally speaking, you know, there's corn and winter wheat being planted out there. We've not seen and don't anticipate a whole lot of problems. So this is again, another would be another opportunity where it would be located on the outskirts of the agricultural property so that we're not fragmenting the agricultural operation or creating a problem for the agricultural tenant that has to open and close gates or any of that kind of stuff. So that is what we would anticipate in the future. That's really helpful. Thank you. So just to make sure I understand that this agreement does not include any descriptions about fence line where that would be drawn on the map. The assumption is that the border or the perimeter of the property would be used as that trail connecting system if we decide to. Generally speaking, that's correct. Okay. As long as it doesn't divide the agricultural property. Okay. Thank you. David, you're muted. Yeah, I appreciate Dan, you're giving those examples. And again, I think you Dan mentioned, he set up to this. One of the reasons is besides the buffer, the trail connections that riparian really was protection of agriculture. So we're always trying to make those balances to provide those recreational opportunities plus the agricultural piece. And then I think we have some great examples here in Longmont, but city of Boulder trails and agriculture properties are very common. Boulder County has them as well. So it's always just trying to strike that balance. We can do, as we said, preserve agriculture in the way that's most economically feasible to the family, but also balances other needs as well. So I think we can get there. Dan, did the mineral right come with this purchase? Separate. Thank you. Great question, Paige. Those mineral rights have been removed from the property, separated from the property. Currently, there's probably six wells on the property. Let's see if I could probably in the just below the Ian property is there's six wells. One's already been plugged in and abandoned. The balance of those are scheduled to be plugged in and abandoned. So we're anticipating that. But those mineral rights have been separated from the property. Any other questions? So, oh, yeah, Dan. So, Dan, what is it you would like from us? I'm looking for a recommendation that we can include to City Council for the acquisition of this property. Great. So someone, I think that would be great. Sounds like a really important addition. So if someone would like to move that we recommend approval of this acquisition. I move we move that we recommend to follow Dan's proposal and recommend that moves forward to the City Council. Sorry for babbling that one. Is there a second? I'll second it. Thanks to all those in favor unanimously approved. Thank you very much. I appreciate your support. Yes, thank you. Thanks for your hard work. Okay. The next topic is the comprehensive trail system, which I believe is Steve. Yeah, thanks. I was hoping Dan was going to drone on and on for a while because this one's going to be a little lengthy. I put together this presentation. I've done this presentation to PRAB probably four or five times over the past 20 years. It's really hard. I have mapped 37 different missing trail segments within the city. And I know of three or four more than I haven't yet gotten around to mapping. I was not going to give you a because each trail segment gets about three slides. So I wasn't going to give you a PowerPoint with 130 slides to it. I wouldn't do that to anybody. So I put together a slide show, which Aurora is going to bring up for me. I believe Aurora, is that correct? There we go. So again, if I'm going too quickly, if I am droning on, please give me feedback. That will really help me. It's complicated. So we have two different capital projects that deal with missing trail connectivity within the city. PR is 083, which is the missing primary and secondary greenway connections. And that deals with the off street trail connections essentially. And then the T105 project, which is and it's now called TRP. Sorry, this is an old slide. It's PRO 083 and TRP 105. TRP 105 is missing sidewalk connections. So those are sidewalks within the street rights of way. And if you think about our trail system, we utilize both of those networks to move people successfully throughout the city. So this is really the definition of the two projects. As I mentioned, designing construct gaps in the primary greenway and secondary greenway trail system, and then gaps in the city sidewalk system. So what I've done is I've put together a sort of a list showing you what some projects that we've completed over the past decade. You know, these projects, hold on Aurora, I know I want to go fast, not quite that fast. These projects are often taken, they often take part in conjunction with other types of other types of projects, such as Kathy Crohn's efforts with the Park Rehabilitation Program. There's sometimes opportunities to fill in some gaps within parks with those projects. The engineering staff runs the T105 project, and we meet several times a year to talk about different areas where we're trying to complete gaps. They're often, they have staff over there that are looking for CDOT grants, and so sometimes they'll sweeten the pot for CDOT by saying, hey, we'll make this off-street trail connection, and so we'll get some CDOT money for a project that we weren't really anticipating, but it made it a better project for CDOT to fund overall the street improvements, as well as the trail improvements. So it really comes at you in a lot of different directions, and so I'm happy to clarify that for anybody, but go ahead Aurora. Thank you. So this is a project, the next one is a project that was completed right around the flood, because I remember I was working out when the flood hit, but this is the Ruff and Ready Greenway just south of Mountain View and just west of Pace Street. We made a connection between the existing Ruff and Ready trail along the Ruff and Ready Ditch to a public trail that spans between Ponderosa Circle and Independence Drive, and so that was a successful project that helps link this area where the Ruff and Ready label is right now is actually now affordable housing. So I'm looking to build a bridge over the ditch to connect that affordable housing to this trail in order to better safely connect students who live in that neighborhood, the affordable housing neighborhood to the schools to the west. Next slide. This was one where we built a trail from 15th Avenue down to Spangler Park. You can see there's a couple dashed lines. The dashed line to the northwest is a trail that's not even Spangler Elementary School anymore. It's now a Catholic elementary school, not elementary school, but elementary middle school I believe, but we want to make a trail connection up to the school. Kathy Crone right now is looking to bid and install a new bridge over the spring gulch that runs through Spangler Park, and the developer who is developing that property just to the east of that pond will be building a trail connection not in that location, but they will be making a trail connection up to Baker Street, which will help serve make a better connection to Lama Athletic Center there to the east. That should happen starting this year. Next. This is up in sort of North Central Lama 19th Avenue. Gay Street is just off the screen to the west. This is Northridge Elementary. Like I said, we built a trail that connects between Brad Tony and Herman Places down to 19th Avenue, which provides a safer route for kids to get walked to school in that general area. Next. This is a trail that's just east of the Park Maintenance Facility. It's north of the railroad tracks, and it's a connection from Sunset Street over to First Avenue. The connection to Vivian Street was made with this project, and this is actually currently being used as the RSVP St. Fring Greenway detour while we're building the RSVP project behind the left-hand brewery. It'll be remaining in place for a couple of years while we're replacing the Boston Avenue road bridge. So this is proven to be a pretty important connection to route people around the St. Fring Greenway while it's not about it. I've been on it two or three times already. It's working great, Steve. Good. Good to hear. Thanks, Dan. The little red line connection there up to the Bond Farm neighborhood. That's the Bond Farm neighborhood where we're going to be building a future small neighborhood park. That was, City Council decided that we don't need that trail connection, so they let the applicant out of building that trail connection. So that won't be going in at this point in time. Next slide. This is a project that we built with the T-105 project. It's a sidewalk on the eastern side of South Sherman Street, and what this really did was help connect the mental health facility there up to the existing bus stops and things up by Ken Prep Boulevard. So this was a successful project that was completed about nine, 10 years ago. Next. This was a section that was missing, and I don't think I think a lot of people forgot that it was even missing, but when it was built, it was a big deal. This is on the south side of 9th Avenue between Martin Street and Lashley Street over on the east side of town. I recall a number of times seeing people in wheelchairs and walkers and things walking in the travel lanes of 9th Avenue because there was no sidewalk in the south side. So this was a great project that we completed a number of years ago. That was really part of the overall way to move people around the city outside of vehicles. Next. We did a conceptual design at City Council's request to see how we can best get people over the railroad tracks at this, this is north of 9th Avenue, along Spring Gulch. That's concepts direct in the bowling alley. Really right, that was really the bowling alley right in the center of your screen at the bottom. Right now there's a trail along the northeast side of Spring Gulch that connects back in between Placer Avenue and Snowmass Avenue, but it does not connect over the tracks. There's been a social trail across those tracks for years. That's obviously alarming and dangerous, and the concerns are as we're moving forward with our quiet zones efforts throughout the city that the railroad may require us to fence this off so people cannot physically get across the tracks to keep them even safer. So we did a conceptual design of an underpass there, and I'll refer to it later, that it is not cost effective, as I imagined. Next slide. And then we also did a conceptual design so far of the Oligarchy Ditch Trail, basically from the intersection of 21st Avenue and Main Street, all the way down to Mountain View Avenue, using a series of alleys, streets, and going through Lanyon Park. So we've done conceptual design of that. So now I'm going to talk about some projects that we've, next slide, Laura Carrora. Oh, I'm sorry, a couple more added in here. This is the 9th Avenue and Hover Street improvements that we have done. We've done a conceptual design for all of this. We were actually able to build from 3rd Avenue Place right there by Golden Ponds, up to Allend Drive, and built a sidewalk on the south side of 9th Avenue over to the Valley Subdivision. This was an area that was cut off pretty significantly during the flood, and the residents of the Valley Subdivision there just north of the Golden Ponds label really reached out to the city and said, hey, you know, we're out here on an island, we have no way to really safely walk anywhere. And so we respond to those residents' concerns, we're able to build a couple of good trail segments. The rest of this will happen probably mostly through development, but there might be some capital improvements associated with making these trail connections, basically from the Home Depot, all the way up to 9th Avenue on the west side of the road. On the west side, nice, because the east side's great, but it's a pain to get across. It's a pain to get across, and how many times have you pulled out to make a turn in a vehicle and not notice someone riding the wrong way in the sidewalk, because there's only a sidewalk on one side of the street. It's not the most, especially with the volume that that street sees, it is not the safest way to do multimodal transportation through there. We should have sidewalks on both sides or side paths on both sides, especially if we don't have bike lanes, which Hover doesn't have the way to do it. There's no way, right? You don't want to be on that street on a bike. Yeah, there's some challenging sections, but it's really something that we need to be looking at. Actually, at the very southwest corner of 9th and Hover, that development has occurred since this slide was made. And so part of that has been built already, but there are still gaps. Next slide. Okay, so here's where we are. Other projects that didn't have a slide, but that we've talked about have been same frame greenway improvements, the spring vaults, two improvements that Dan alluded to from Stephen Day Park down to Union Reservoir and the funding in 2023. Hopefully, if council approves the proposed capital budget is to make that connection in 2022-23 from Union Reservoir down to Sandstone Ranch. So there are a lot of efforts based on trail design, but we certainly are challenged with all the other capital project needs that we have, as well as funding availability. So I'm just highlighting some of the unfunded projects we have. What do I see that's highlighted? I mean, I see a whole lot of red thin stuff. Is it the purple and yellow and green that I'm looking at here? Don't look too hard. It's a map. Some of this is on our GIS layer, and so those red thin lines are just main main streets. The small purple ones are some old trail segments. This graphic was really just managed. This is the city. We've got a lot of trails. Some included, some not. Next slide, Aurora. Save me. So one of the big ones that we are looking to fund in the next few years is the oligarchy trail. If you remember, we've talked to you about the enhanced multi-use corridor project that we've council has adopted in the past, and 21st Avenue between Main Street and Hover is one of the main east-west EMUCD corridors. And the oligarchy ditch ties in at Main Street and 21st. And so we were looking right around when COVID hit at doing a conceptual design for an underpass at Main and 21st that would allow a trail to get underneath that state highway. As well as allowing the ditch to effectively flow under the state highway. There's some concerns with the flows of the ditch from the ditch company, which we are a majority shareholder. That project was delayed because of just different attention that we needed to pay on other things. So we haven't done that conceptual design yet, but I did do a conceptual design on the oligarchy ditch trail. And this is, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the area of town, but the Eagle Eye Care Center is just north of Tire Plus. Tire Plus is mentioned or labeled there. And so there's an existing, we have a short stretch of existing trail behind Tire Plus, but a dead ends into nothing. And so right now people are walking in a muddy, undeveloped area. And then the yellow you see there is an existing alley that we want to transition into a combination alley and vehicle access point for just those homeowners. There won't be any other need for a vehicle to go down there, except when you live in those homes. But we don't want to cut those folks access off to the back of their lots. So we've done some public efforts to reach out to them. And we'll be doing a design in such a way that will allow you using pavement markings and different types of pavement to make it as clear as we possibly can that people in vehicles should expect pedestrians and cyclists through this area here. And that the eastern end of this corridor is Collier Street and that's Lanyon Park. Next slide. There's just some, you get an idea, that's the Tire Plus on the left picture in the distance coming from the alley. So it's just sort of a dirt area along the ditch. And it's just not a whole lot of developed area, though people are using it and using it regularly. There was actually just east of the Tire Plus and that gap there, there was an effort over the past couple of years that will definitely benefit from the development of this trail system in the future. Next slide. As I mentioned, it's Greenway and it's got a dirt trail on an alley. We've done the conceptual design, we have the land roughly $232,000. Next slide. And then this is the trail idea going through Lanyon Park. So continuing that alley that I showed you in the last project is up in the sort of top left corner of this where that orange car is. And then people will be coming through the park and then behind the ball fields, connecting into 19th Avenue. Next slide. The Lanyon Park master plan update does show us naturalizing the ditch between the baseball outfield and the ditch to make it more of a native area. It's sort of an unused turf area right now. So in order to save water, we are looking to, so this project would probably incorporate that transition of the park into its design and construction. Next slide. Again, we can fit the trail between the ball fields and the ditch. The pet bridge that's over there is replaced in 2011, so it's relatively new. And so the estimated cost is about $135,000. Next. Continuing down the oligarchy ditch, this is between 19th and 17th. There's an existing alley that's really, really tight and is used by Longmont Sanitation. But I've never seen another vehicle on it besides our trash trucks. It's really tight and it's really just for ditch maintenance. So we would utilize that court that right of way to repurpose that into a trail that people can safely use. Next one. So there might be some power poles in the way. We need to build some intersection improvements at 19th and at 17th. 17th would be expensive because 17th Avenue where this ditch and trail would tie in, the safest crossing would be right there at the railroad tracks, which is where we're going to have a quiet zone project. So we would be have to coordinate with our quiet zone project as we move our way up through that corridor of town with the quiet zones that we've been getting federal money for our quiet zones. And so we would need to incorporate at least the design of, even if we don't have the trail built, the design of a pedestrian crossing through there that would work with the trail. And so with all those improvements, we're looking at about $450,000. Next. I skipped from 17th to 15th because at 17th, you could sort of see the, there is not any land along the ditch for us to put a trail. It pretty much runs through all private backyards. So what the idea is, the conceptual design shows is lamp lighter drive through that corridor is to add shadows, change some of the parking patterns, widen the sidewalk, make things safer for pedestrians to use as a regional trail corridor. But it would be on the street. It wouldn't be along the ditch south of 15th. We have the opportunity to duck back in and be along the ditch behind these homes. And so that's what this project shows. 15th doesn't have the volume of 17th. So there wouldn't be any intersection improvements there except for stop signs. And then we have, we actually have, well, the ditch company has this right away. We might have to re-look at the legal language in the ditch easement to know whether we can put a trail here or whether we have to change that easement. But we do have ownership of the property in an outlaw. So this looks like it's something that we can definitely do. Next slide. And you can see that there's just a little bit of land there behind the homes. But that would be safe for then people traveling on the street. Next. And this one costs about $245,000. There is an existing capital project that occasionally gets funded for that's improvements to the oligarchy ditch. The city being the primary ditch company shareholder, we have an interest in trying to make the ditch as functional as possible and as maintainable as possible. They're definitely, through this whole corridor, there are some challenges with our ditch maintenance. So I would be working with, and the final design, I'd be working extensively with our operations folks and seeing if they wanted to put some money towards some ditch improvements that would make their maintenance of this ditch would improve that. And also the ditch company, but typically the city is the one who ends up funding those type improvements. Next slide. And this is the same study. Mountain View Avenue right there is just on the north side of that slide is Spangler Park. And so that's where we're trying to get people down safely to Ninth Avenue. This is just, again, I referred to the bowling alley, which is sort of in the south, I'm sorry, the very bottom, a little bit to the right of your screen. We can't get a crossing over the railroad tracks under the railroad tracks. It would be a multi-million dollar project to be acquiring land and working with the railroad. So what we've come up with is a people coming out of Kensington Park from the south would have to use the Ninth Avenue right of way to get over to a different trail that would more effectively get them up to 12th and Mountain View and Spangler Park to the north. What this does is this design allows the quiet zone project to fence off whatever it feels it needs to fence off without adversely impacting pedestrian connectivity, safe or unsafe, sanctioned or unsanctioned. So that's what the idea behind this design is. The gap is there's an existing trail there right behind the old community gardens. Next one. Those are just some pictures of that quarter. You can see there's ample space to slide a trail in there between the ditch and the gardens. Next, same thing between 11th and 9th. We can come in behind the Concepts Direct, which is that not Concepts Direct, I'm sorry, Circle Graphics, which is a business there just west of the bowling alley and fill a trail in there. Next, and again, this trail is definitely desired by the public. The Kytley neighborhood is that neighborhood and they are a local neighborhood and they like to use our trail systems. So we want to respond to their requests. Because of previous council agreements, we would have to be on street between 12th and Mountain View. We couldn't follow the ditch through that neighborhood, but I think we can do that through some signage and some seros. Looking at about $440,000 to complete this section of trails. Next, this is a northeast, I'm sorry, northwest lawn lot. You can see Dawson Park there. I'm sure the board is very familiar with Dawson Park these days with all the stress on like Macintosh. This is an existing utility easements between these homes. It's really just privacy fence on both sides and it's just sort of a corridor. It seems like a pretty easy place to put a trail and would help get people to closer, you know, a more streamlined route to 17th. Now, when this was originally considered the stoplight at Harvard and 17th didn't exist. Now that there's a stoplight there, that is the preferred crossing. This may be a less attractive trail to try to fund because, you know, we want people to cross at the stoplight because that's the safest place to cross. And so we by putting this trail and we might be guiding away from that. So we'd have to look at that before we would invest in pursuing this trail line. Next, those are just some photos. Like I said, privacy fence on both sides, pretty wide, pretty flat, pretty easy. Next, we'd have to work with PRPA to the power authority to get an easement through there. And it's about $55,000. Next, this is one that I've talked to you about before. It has been in your packet. This is the Dry Creek Trail between Village of the Peaks and Sunset Street. The red is adjacent to Village of the Peaks and the city paid for them to build this trail as part of their overall development. The blue is a trail that we have a CDOT grant for design. And so we are working on design of that trail right now. And that trail would connect ultimately all the way over to Sunset Street. It's showing a little bit short in this graphic, but it would connect to Sunset Street. Next slide. The nice thing is that there's a law on housing authority, affordable housing development being proposed just south of this new section of trail. We would need an easement from them, but they are aware of the city's desires and they have great, they have a desire to tie into the trail and be able to be able to move people, their residents back and forth east-west. Dry Creek is a really interesting trail because there is a non-stop trail with only one at-grey road crossing from North 75th all the way to Sunset Street once this trail is done. So that's a pretty nice long trail section for people who move in and out this part of town. Estimated cost is about $300,000. Next. And then just a couple sidewalk projects that are more in the transportation or engineering staff realm. And but I still keep my finger in that area just to keep track of what those guys are doing. Next slide. This is between Flower Bin and the western access to those of you that cut through the old Walmart site to get to Village of the Peaks. I'm trying to think there's a new restaurant, a new Mexican restaurant over there, but there's no sidewalk on the south side. You can see the social trail. I've seen people walking in the mud, especially when there's snow and sleet and runoff. So this is one that we do need a couple easements from these property owners. We don't have the right-of-way through there. I know this is on engineering's radar to try to fill in, but we have not yet accomplished that. Next. Like I said, social trail, it can get muddy. It's needed. Next. Dangerous. Improved connection to the shopping areas are over in Nelson. Need some right-of-way. About $35,000. Was that it? Okay. Great. So that being said, yeah, I'm sure there's questions. And I have a pretty good understanding of the trail system and the sidewalk system through the city. I've worked on building a lot of it with other folks and have been around here for a long time. It's hard to capture everything. So I'm happy to take this conversation wherever you'd like to go. Feel free. Jeff, it looks like you're the first one. Is that okay, Pidge? Oh, sorry. Yeah, I guess my question, if you said this already, I apologize, but the last thing you just showed feels like it has literally nothing to do with parks or recreation. It feels like it should be a city roadway thing. That's not near anything that we're in charge of, right? I don't understand how that applies. Well, it does. In that natural resources staff, we're not just looking at trails that are off street. We're looking at safe ways to move people around the city to be able to get to and from our recreational facilities and other facilities within the city. So we work with our multi-motor transportation planning staff. We work closely with our engineering staff. Like, I wouldn't be managing that project, that sidewalk. Okay. But I would support and help our staff in trying to get that funded and approved. And we would have an engineer managing that. And your reason for being interested, you just explained. You're not just focused. You're not in charge of every sidewalk and lawnmower is what you're saying. No, I'm just one guy. If they connect things together, that's something you care about. Yes, the network. And like I said, there were 37 different projects I could have put in there. I think I fit like 15. So we can go on till we got till nine, right, Pidge? So we can go on. We got more time. I got lots of time. We do not go on tonight. You say we have until 7.33. I'm not asking any more questions. That's all I wanted to know. But yeah, so that's the mindset of the staff that work together on these things, is how do we prioritize limited dollars and limited staff to try to maximize the benefit of what we, how we make connections. And the dry creek trail behind the Lawnmine Housing Authority one is an example of what I was talking about. That was thrown into a CDOT grant to improve the intersection of Sunset and Kenpratt Boulevard. We got a grant, but that made the grant all the more attractive to CDOT to fund because there was a trail component to it. And so we're like, okay, yeah, we'll throw that in. Sure, that's great. Let's let's do that now. And so the opportunity arose. So now we're designing it and we're going to build it. It's hard to prioritize what's the best one because each person in the city, depending on where they live and where they work, where they recreate, where they go finds one more important than the other. So actually, before you move on to the next question, one thing that I didn't mention is that the other challenge of this is that the PRO83 project is also to replace existing trails that are in place, but are deteriorating that have been around for a long time. There's one South of Skyline High School that's an embarrassment that our triathlon uses every year that has asphalt and falling apart. And we have to hit that in the next three, four years and replace that. And so that dollar wise and staff time wise puts some of these projects back later because we're focusing on the replacement of those thing and replacement is never easy because trails built 25 years ago don't necessarily follow the same federal and local requirements that we have now. And so it just becomes more complicated. So Paige, I'll defer to you. Any other questions, Nicholas? Thanks Paige. I think it's partially a question, partially a comment. So I definitely understand the challenge of 15 different, we've only seen 15 of more, 37 of you mentioned, right? Certainly difficult to grapple, get our hands around how to prioritize which projects should be moved forward. We did talk about at least one project that I feel like you even said it didn't make sense in the past with the Dawson Park, Harvard Street one. So are there more like that, some projects that we can cut off that we know we can remove in the list to help making the prioritization easier? Because sometimes it's hard to pick which one of the tops, but at least we can pick which ones should fall off the list of that problem. If any, there's one more. Maybe some of these things get filled in by the development as we're tracking them over time, but very few. Okay. I'm just trying to understand are there ways to make this very complex problem that we have in prioritizing which ones you move forward and which ones you should not, a little bit easier to wrap our heads around. And if there's one or two that we can remove from the list, then that seems like a win. I will go into the slide show and in my files and mark that one is not necessary. But no, I haven't found one. And like I was saying before, it's just a matter of to prioritize everyone wants the one in front of their house. And it's hard to say which one is the most important. There's some that affect more. We're trying to focus on affordable housing development in the city. That's a conscious decision. And so I think some of the trails that we're looking at that do have connectivity to affordable housing complexes are good things. But that doesn't mean that other people don't have trail needs. So yes, yeah, we've come up, we've tried to come up with two or three different rating, like prioritization ratings for the different segments and we've landed on nothing. I was just going to ask that if you had some kind of checklist or anything. We've landed on nothing. We've looked at national standards. We've looked at, we've had a consultant give us some input when we were doing the enhanced multi use corridor project because this is just it's been weighing on me. Like I would like to know which ones are most important. And I don't want to be the one that says just because I feel that way, that's sort of crummy. So I really would like to and I've had public outreach. This project currently for 2022 was not having any funding. But we're looking at funding for 23 and beyond. We're trying to catch up the staff a little bit. So we're not proposing any funding for PR 83 in 2022. But that doesn't mean we can't be looking at trying to get with the public to prioritize. But it all depends on who shows up the meeting. So cut. Yeah. And that that's that lies the problem. I think the people who show up at meetings are the ones that are well served already. So I love the, you know, the oligarchy part of it, especially with the city's ownership of the kind of the right away enough of the ditch itself. But it serves people who are not going to be going to city council meetings. And so just just as a general observation, I'm not going to kind of guess they don't go to city council meetings. So so and that's why we I think that's where we need to look at prioritizing parts of the city that we don't address on a regular basis. Otherwise, my question is one on transportation side, we constantly run into had run into issues that it's a it's a county little section, right? 17th Boston Sunset perennially problem areas that the county doesn't find for decades at a time. Is that does that exist somewhere say like 22nd or something in the city for trails? Is there equivalent on that on the trail side? There's there's challenges. But we do talk with the county staff, Christine Overdorf and Tim Swope and those folks over the county that deal in their trails. And, you know, we just filled in a gap on the west side of South Sunset Street just north of Boston Avenue, just south of our shop, just north of the convenience store there, there was a 30 foot section of trail at the sidewalk that was never there. And I told our engineers, we're using this as a detour for the St. Fring Greenwood for two years, put a damn trail in and just put it in. And so they were able to figure that out and got it in. So yeah, there are things that we, Boston Avenue is a great example between Sunset Street and the river, where that's still county owned road, and they had a project and then their funding dried up and they didn't do the project. There's no sidewalks on either side of the road there. There the land is in the process of being annexed into the city. We are looking at some projects and so it takes time. But we also I think have a strategy of letting development do its job. And as that land, as we move forward with RSVP, as that land annexes into the city, as that land develops, they'll be building the sidewalks for us. And that's what, you know, council direction has sort of been all along is to let the development pay their way. And for us to focus on areas that we don't have development opportunities. So not a, but yeah, there are a few challenges. Another one is we're annexing some land down on the east side of Airport Road, way south down there where the Kanemoto Farms are. And so we're trying to figure out how that might affect the sidewalk, the 10 foot sidewalk on the east side of Airport Road, because we don't want that to be interrupted by development. So we're always looking at that as development comes in. But there's a few challenges out there, but not quite as much as the road system. Can I ask another one? Yeah, go ahead. So as a user, or in like looking at the user perspective, is can we put signs up on some of the side paths? Like let's just take over the west side of over, for instance, well before the sidewalk ends at someone's house, like it would be great to say cross here at Ninth Avenue, rather than you're now stranded and you either froggered across the street or you go back up and you try to cross at Ninth. It would just be nice to say the trail closed, like doesn't exist 100 feet down this path. And there's several other places where you let the person make that decision safely rather than just cut them off abruptly. So you just hit Jeff's question, right the nail right there on the head. That's that's traffic. That's not me. I am more than happy to take whatever areas, and I know where you're talking about, and I'm more than happy to take whatever areas and pass that on to our folks and see if they want to install some signage. Right, that's not something that natural resources really manages is the trails in those rightful rights of way. I do make sure that we have trails at the end to make sure no one falls off into the abyss. But as far as the warning signs, it's not a bad idea, Scott, but I would have to pass that on to other staff. Yeah, I'm just saying like it happens on trails to where it goes from an 88 compliant paved surface to like a social trail. And so it'd be nice for somebody before they get to that, that end to know that it's going to end in 100 feet or whatever. I'm more than happy to send me some stuff over and I can look at that and I can help where I can. Okay, happy to. David, did you have a comment? No, I was just going to say Paige is probably going to hear a recurring theme here that she could chime in whenever she wants. But again, I think everyone's really fortunate that Steve, being a resident in old town area and looking at these these smaller missing pieces, recognize how important that is to get kids to meet a lot of our equity pieces right now too, that I was really appreciative of people mentioned that too. These are some of the people don't always have time to show up with meetings and stuff, but to get them to meet that goal, the city goal of having parks and infrastructure and facilities and rec centers within 10 minutes walk from our community. So it is an important piece. Steve, looking at those for all these years, but also knowing that he's the one doing Clover Basin, he's doing the workman park, he's still working on Dickens. And he also the piece he touched on, there's also in that list that we want to prioritize. I think coming back to this group with maybe staff takes a stab at it, but I think balancing with those longer range planning pieces too, because Steve just didn't talk about how do we get to Clover Basin? How do we partner with the county to get out to Terry Reservoir, maybe up into Lyons? How do we talk about how we get from Union Reservoir over to the state parks? There's a lot of those longer term, long range, large trails too that have to tie into the work plan of our project managers right now. But Steve, I think these small pieces sometimes say, well, why does that really matter to us? Because it does tie into that real goal of equity sometimes. And they're important pieces. I think there's sometimes people get really excited about those big long extensions that I can get excited about too, but Steve does a great job of keeping us kind of focused on what we need to get people moving safely around town too. And it comes back to sort of what Scott was just saying, is that it's a pain to run into a dead end. Like nobody, they don't do roads like that. Scott, I will make sure that we can pass that information. I think that's a great, that's definitely a great There's some exciting things on the horizon. There's some development applications coming in north of 66, west of Main Street. There's the Terry Lake neighborhood park parcel up there that we would be developing in the future. I've secured some easements up in that area to try to get connections up to Terry Lake. We've looked at the possibility of leasing the recreational rights of Terry Lake like we do at Macintosh and some other areas. Dan has done a great job of acquiring open space down around Clover Basin reservoir. We've been talking with the county about connecting the Dry Creek Greenway that I mentioned that goes all the way from future Sunset Street all the way to 75th underneath 75th connecting into the county ASI open space property and then hopefully connecting up to the Clover Basin Reservoir recreational area that we can get those rights. And so there's a lot of great things. It just takes a long time. And I'll be honest with you, we are little, we are still flood focused. I'm still flood focused. And so I'm looking forward to the day and I'm not flood focused anymore and the floods behind me, but I'm not at all there yet. Any other questions? Well, I think this does highlight several of us, I think responded in terms of the steel trip, just wanting to get a better sense of kind of overall trail connectivity, I think, and how are those pieces fitting together? What's the bigger picture? How are we adding some of these? And I think it's interesting looking through, if you looked at these projects through those filters of like equity, safety, and then sort of return on investment, you know, there might be a small piece that leverages a whole big piece of connectivity and sort of interesting to think about it through those lenses. Thank you. I seem to do this with PREB every three, four, five years, and I can do it again at any point, always reach out. I know where there's gaps. I know we have some strategies. We try to prioritize as best we can. But we're prioritizing against a lot of other projects that we're doing too. So thanks for your time. Just finish them all and then we wouldn't have to have this conversation anymore. Come on. Come on. You know, if you weren't golfing every Thursday, maybe you could help. Thanks, Dave. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I'll go back to my recommendation for more project managers, but I'm not sure where that's going. Thank you, Paige. Okay. Thank you so much, Steve. That's super helpful. I don't know how you keep all those bits of information and connections in your brain. Anything else under new business? No. Okay, so we'll go next to discussing items from the packet updates. So this is, if anyone, any board members have any questions from the updates from both parks, open space, and recreation that are provided in the packet? Now is the time to ask them. Hi, just a question for recreation at Union Rez to see how the first, was it month, two months of the self-pay has gone? And if there are enforcement issues that people aren't paying or people are being honest about paying for their permits? But I think we've only had them operational for a little over a week. Yeah, so they were installed, then we had some issues with software and how it was going to communicate with the company. First week so far, so good. I will make a note and be prepared to respond at our next meeting about that, to have more detail after more time. Okay, cool. Yeah, Nicholas. I just, thank you, Paige. So a good question about the New Miller park renewal. So it looks like it's been in the status where there's no new updates and it's still kind of waiting for the design consultant to come back for a few meetings now. So I'm just kind of curious if something we should be concerned about, whether or not this is normal for something to sit in this status versus a long-term time where thank you. Yeah, I'll answer on behalf of Kathy because she's not, well, she's here in spirit, but she's not here. She's run into several challenges on another project that she has managed an active construction on. And so it's really been a city slowdown of that project. And so the consultant is acting fine. And so there haven't been any real challenges, just a matter of trying to juggle all the different things she's juggling and finding the time to get comments back to them, for them to finalize their plans. You'll see the same thing with the workman in South clover basin project stuff. I had a meeting this morning with my workman and with the consultant for both of those projects, and we're still confident we're going to be moving dirt here by the end of the year on workman, which is exciting, but it's been a long haul. We've been a little bit sporadic here for lack of a better term. Okay. Thank you. Other questions? I have one question and I hesitate to bring this up, and I'm really just looking for a short answer. I see prairie dog management come up. And I'm wondering if you can just tell me what the city's policy is right now on prairie dogs. And I mean, it looks like there's management ongoing at several parks and properties. Yeah, I can, I can definitely speak to that. We probably have almost 14 locations throughout city that we're actively managing prairie dogs that many of those include some of our facilities, some include irrigated turf grass parks. One in particular that we spend quite a bit of time on is prairie dog management out at the airport. So what that includes is installation of barriers to keep them from moving, you know, constant monitoring and mapping to see trends. The other component is an ongoing euthanasia, if you will, where the prairie dogs have moved into irrigated turf grass parks or places that we've already designated as no prairie dog areas. So we use our PERC systems, the pressurized emissions, rodent control, which is a carbon monoxide to keep those dogs out of those particular areas. I think that pretty much wraps that up. And are you also relocating some? Excuse me? Are you also relocating some? It looks like... We are, Steve's got a park development that's going on. And this is out in the, Steve, is it right? If I say Clover Basin Area? Yeah, no, in South Clover Basin Neighborhood Park site, these guys know about it. Clover Meadows is the park name. We've got a volunteer who's doing a passive relocation at this point in time. She currently has a permit from Jefferson County to relocate dogs over there. Much of that is just timing and the ability of when that permit is being accepted. But that future park site is being totally trapped in elimination and relocated then to Jefferson County. Yeah, and I just, I would just add that I think that's a pretty good success for the city. We have had such a challenge and Dan can expand on this a bunch. We have had a lot of challenges in trying to relocate prairie dogs outside the county because nobody will take them. And so the fact that this volunteer, this group of volunteers, were able to pursue a permit to relocate prairie dogs off of a park site where they wouldn't have been welcomed because it's going to be a neighborhood park, I think is a good partnership for the city to have entered into. And so I'm very glad that that has happened there. Thank you. Any other questions from the packet? Any items from staff? So I have a couple of things. The first one is we can start meeting in person if the board is interested in that. We could do that starting in July. And one of the things that David, although Paige and I remembered and not David, sorry, David, is that we talk about this tonight and that we could either meet at the parks building inside or if people are more comfortable we could meet outside and they've done a nice job of setting up a space outside of the building where we could also meet. So just wanted feedback on that. What do you all think about trying for an in-person meeting in July? I think in-person meetings are it's definitely time to start doing them. I think it would be good for all of us board members to actually get to know each other a little better too. Yeah, I agree. Others? I'm up for meeting in person but would only want to be indoors if everyone was either wearing masks or we all acknowledge what our vaccination status is which I'm not sure people are vaccinated but I'm not sure if everyone wants to share that status. I will tell you all that we've got four tables out back. We've got a variety of teak chairs and cushions. We actually wheeled out a 70-inch TV tonight anticipating that you might show up. So we're definitely ready if you want to meet outside. It's got a tarp and a canopy over and it's you know even though it is 95 degrees outside it's very pleasant. Last Friday we interviewed for the volunteer coordinator. We did all the interviews outside. It was a very pleasant outdoor experience. Yeah and I would just add that as staff we've started meeting in person again and I can't tell you how nice that has been to actually get to sit next to somebody and see their full face and really have the ability to interact. So I think it'd be a great idea and we can make it as safe or as comfortable as everybody wants it to be. I've really missed interrupting you all without Paige's permission so I'd really like to meet in person again but I will be gone out of town for July's meeting and I could log in if it's online but I'm going to be far away so I won't be there if it's in person. And you can call me to interrupt anytime. So I'm Dan I'm not sure how we're going to do that Jeff. I don't know if we how efficient that is but I think this new world we're living in there's definitely some efficiencies in having options but Jeff. No. Yeah you already said that. I'm fine. A couple months ago yeah we were told that once we start meeting in person the virtual part has to go away. I'm fine with that. Really? Yes. In fact the board passed a motion in accepting that emergency statement. I think it was in February. Yeah I was going to say February or March Jeff I remember that. So we'll move in that direction again if somebody feels uncomfortable with this please let us know. The other thing I just mentioned is recreation facilities are back open with no guidelines at this point in time. Masks are recommended if people have not been vaccinated but we do not ask whether they have been or haven't. Starting to see our numbers bump up which is great and Sunset Pool is just going crazy right now with no guidelines. I would say we're easily back over 500 people a day so that's been really nice to see again. So that's all I had. Hey Jeff can I ask a question real quickly? Are the activity pools not opening? I was walking by Roosevelt this morning and it wasn't full. They are not opening because that was part of budget cuts and so we will not open either one of them this year. Just a reminder we had a little over $1.1 million in cuts and trying to keep the facilities that can serve the broadest parts of our community open. So we had decided to keep those closed this year. Thanks Jeff. Any other items from staff? David, Steve, Dan? Yep go ahead Dan. With COVID winding down we are winding up obviously as Jeff has just said so we are anticipating stepping up the master plan for Button Rock Preserve and I'd love to get some feedback from the Parks Board. We anticipate probably one more public meeting in October and we would like maybe either in October or November do a joint board with a presentation of the master plan recommendations with the Parks Board and the Sustainable Advisory Board. Their typical meetings are I believe it's Wednesdays at like three o'clock. We felt it would be very positive to have a similar presentation to where we could address issues and the Parks Board could hear from the Sustainability Board and likewise they could hear some of your concerns and comments. We felt that that would be very beneficial. We would then take everyone's comments to the Water Board and then go through the process of taking this to Council for probably a study session and then adoption. But I'd love to hear your thoughts about maybe in October or November joint presentation with the Sustainability Advisory Board. Could we invite them to our meeting? I think I'd have a hard time with a 3pm meeting. That's one of the reasons why I'm asking you know we certainly could do that. We'll reach out to them too for for feedback but if I know that the vast majority are not available midday or mid-afternoon then we could ask them to maybe come to our board meetings. What do others think? I mean I'm definitely up for you know having a joint presentation but I wouldn't be able to make it at three. I'm in the same boat. Yeah. So that's three at least three? Dan you don't count you're never working. No I'm just kidding. All right. Any other comments about that? Okay. Thank you. Just to clarify what you're saying there's no more public meetings. This will be when they come and recommend. What we're doing is anticipating one more public meeting to present a draft plan to the public and to solicit one last time feedback from from the public before we draft a final draft that we will present to the advisory boards and city council. We've done I believe three public meetings already and four citizen surveys so we believe that we're in a good position to wrap up the public process. So this meeting you're talking about with the two boards would be that final also public meeting. Yes. You know again all these meetings will be open to the public so this one will be targeted specifically as a presentation to you and the sustainability advisory board. Sounds good. Thank you very much. Thanks Dan. Any other items from staff? Okay. Any items from the board? Dan? I have a list. I'll try to put them together. So first for Dave Bell we've been going to Lake McIntosh a lot because it's close to the house. The quoting is awesome. There's a zillion people there. It's great. I'm moved over to that side of the equation. It's great. However the last two Saturday nights there's a little old lady who for years has swum across the lake and she's still doing it and there are now kids who swim all the time in the lake. You mentioned a month and two months ago that we were going to have more patrols or a boat or that hasn't yet started. There are no signs that say no swimming. I'm not going to say a word to anybody but there is swimming there. I don't get so problem waiting to happen. So Dan I appreciate that and I think the public safety side I know there's been a lot of impacts neighbors. There's been challenges to wildlife. I think we're trying to address those. I'll just lay it on things we've been able to do. This year we were able to get the wildlife poachers up much sooner to help protect that western shore. We have increased trash pickup from Monday through Friday. We now have a weekend group doing it. We're actually going to be installing some new trash cans out there. We have signs. Good. So my next note was on Sunday evening when you walk by the trash is there's a nice car nowhere. They pick it up. They pick it up Sunday afternoon. I'm not sure. It's just amazing. Yep. So we're working on that as well. Okay. Good. We have requests in for additional budget requests for the boat and additional seasonals next year. Dale Radamaker has said if I want to try cutting the line and say this is important enough we'd like to do it this year he would support that. So that really was probably the boat and additional rangers was a 2022 we put in the budget. I do have two additional rangers that are out there but you gotta remember Dan those are the same two rangers that are having kids jumping off Dickens. They're covering all the other parks. They're covering the camps along the creek. So they do get out there and I'm even having my button rock seasonal that goes up the button regularity stop in there as weight up and down just so we have that additional piece. As far as signs the city is in the middle of branding changeover. So this has been a much more complicated piece and it typically would be but I think we have the signs that will be in English and in Spanish. They'll have the new standards. PD's been working with on our branding pieces. So I think we're really close as a Kathy piece and Steve might have a little bit more information but I have seen the mock layouts. So those signs will go up and they will have the nose swimming in it and they will have the people have to have a personal flotation device on it. We don't have that in our rules and rags but our rules and rags allow us to force a sign that has been put up with Dale's recommendation or signature. So we will be able to enforce that once those signs go up as well. So we definitely have work to do out there Dan and one of the pieces that I think Dan will probably saw today too is that you know that 25 boats like I said it's just it's just unenforceable. No I agree. So I think you know if we can try addressing these other things by having extra patrols signs we're getting there but we're not there yet Dan. And I don't mean to complain. Oh I know you're not going to know what's on the ground what's what's the feedback. I appreciate that. Yep I appreciate that because you know we try getting out there but having people that use it and can give me that feedback from a different perspective always helps. So okay Dan I would say do not hesitate to call either David or myself or even Steve for that matter. You don't have to wait for a board meeting in order to do that if you see things that seem to be out of place or need some help. And I'll ask Dan at some point it's policy at some point the city council gets to decide what is okay or not okay or you know I mean it's not for me or us this board to decide I'm just letting you guys know what I see and maybe that has to go up the chain I don't know. So and again I think that's what we're trying to do is we recognize that some of those changes we were able to put in for the budget they need to happen sooner than later. So Dale I do think I do have my chain's support on that it has to fit in the bigger piece but hearing it from this this group helps a lot Dan. Yeah and I'm glad you're doing the garbage because it's amazing. I mean it's it's cute little neat stacks of boxes and cans and all right next to the garbage can there's just a lot of folks visiting. And I look at that too and Dan this is another piece that probably come out of this conversation that Timber just found out about tonight as I look at that trash there because of the type of use and date a lot of that is cans and bottles and stuff and I'm asking to have recyclables. Yep that would be good for a town like us where it's so easy. Yeah I saw way too much stuff that could be in a recyclable container sitting out on the ground and overflowing. True true cool. Okay can I go on page? How long is your list? I got two more items. All right so the next one is for Jeff. I've gotten a couple of feedback things at Sunset Pool it's very popular as you already mentioned folks I think are used to the one hour swim thing. Now lap swimming people go for as long as they please. There is a backup people don't want to do any more than two per lane and it looks as though you have to wait you know is and folks are swimming for an hour and a half plus is there any policy or is that fine do we need a sign in order to get more usage should we be limiting it to an hour or not I don't know if this is a policy you guys have just again we can look we can look into that it's news to me that we're limiting things to two per lane you know we've historically we haven't done that but no no it's not it's just a de facto limit go by and look okay I will do that people's split lanes but nobody's circle swims unless you're in a team masters or Kara or it just doesn't happen okay in my studio do you have any experience there what time of day are you even talking about because oh this is the late morning 10 11 a.m okay I mean I'm not seeing a problem I think people are sort of in this mode oh I get one hour so I'm actually seeing people waiting like oh I can't get in I personally have never felt like I had to wait to get in and I think that I think people got in that mode the last year that I get an hour and I have to wait for someone to get out but I don't know how to spread that you know make that clear I've not seen it as a problem myself I just got feedback today right that's why it's on my mind sure there's probably a couple people so somewhere I don't know what people would read to sort of get that information in their head I don't know where they would go to get that information but there's they should be asking a lifeguard and the lifeguards and the front desk people should know the answer so I would say that's probably the best place to they're very informed there's just point them out Jeff just let you know I will I will get with staff and look into it okay I have a recommendation on that same topic that's okay I feel like when I used to swim in the swim in the rec center which I haven't in a long time especially when it was at the regular rec center when there was only maybe two lanes available certain times and they had the other part for aqua activities there were people that would not be willing to do anything other than splitting and at some point I felt like a sign went up that said something like if there are people waiting you need to circle swim and I've definitely seen that in the bull direct centers and so I would encourage little a-frame signs that actually give the etiquette if we're really that popular it makes it so much easier to not be a jerk when you're like this is how it's supposed to be because a lot of people just don't know how to circle swim and if you have the sign that shows what it is I think that works really well okay good comment I will get on that thanks both of you and the last issue is tennis somebody again asked me especially with these hot days remind me again when the tennis shelter at quail it's a budget item and I think you guys said maybe next year I want to be able to tell people when they ask me that is Steve's always Steve jumping on that one I I don't know the I don't not have the current funding it's not going to be next year okay I'll say yeah no it's it's something that just yeah that same woman Patsy who came to our meeting last October about backwards yeah he asked me again is that get in or what happened there unless David changes my priorities I have three priorities right now and that's not one of them okay and if there's a net that's a problem is there a phone or complaint line you know if a light goes out or what to remind me where where do I go so Jeff do you have one for your guys because I I do we have the call center call center I would say the call center okay great thanks page I'm done and do you want a number for the call center sure so that one is going to be the 303 6518416 thanks just to confirm what call center is that sorry so that goes to public works natural resources you have a great group over there that's pretty good to get that information to timber his group or Dan and his group they they know our system pretty well so it's one of the probably the least amount of let me check so if you're over there for things that kind of follow that public works natural resources it'll get to us pretty quickly that way so this could be anything the street light out a trail signed down I mean that's great to know odd holes all that sort of stuff yes they'll take it all trash doesn't get picked up can you give the number one more time 651 in some time yeah 651 8 416 8 416 is that also I know David we talked about graffiti at one point is that the kind of place where I would just contact them for those kind of situations too and I'm sorry I said if there was like graffiti in a park is that the kind of thing perfect that's yep exactly okay they'll actually put that service request right in and go right to my guys pretty much automatically Dan Wolfer I apologize but I want to just jump right in and mention that we are moving into mosquito season and we will be starting our mosquito control program next Sunday so just a reminder of you know the forties and I'm certain you've all heard me spout about it before about dusk to dawn you know what you're what to wear when you're outside during those times long sleeves light colored loose clothing I'll make certain that you know standing water in your yard is being removed and then defend which you know is the use of a repellent but you know we're jumping right out of COVID and back into West Nile so just a quick reminder thank you thanks Dan there was a pretty significant tick season in there too so lots of fun always anything else from the board I have a question in the in the minutes I know you talked about a possible rec center and kind of how to get going at the last meeting and it's said that Jeff was going to go to the next city council meeting with that did that happen or no what we talked about is that we are going to be working on a pro process to get feedback from the public on what the facility should be and then it would go to city back to you as the board and then ultimately to city council so are you creating a survey of some sort or what's the plan we will be writing this last month has been all about getting reopened so I haven't done anything with it yet no but that's sort of the idea is like a survey survey and public meetings also okay yes any other questions or other items age do you know if there's a chat mode I can drop this contact information in and is a pretty good link here there's not we don't have chat I don't think so so yeah I'll just reiterate then so maybe Aurora or Nikki could send it out okay I have it David it's in the notes of the meeting okay it'll go out to everybody all right very good thank you I had one last item which was just that I love all the new trees that were planted in Willow Farm Park I'm not sure who's responsible for that but I would love to thank them because they look great thank you that's awesome that you say that page I have not been down there but that was my first project with the city and so those trees are some of the first that I located the plant things of and now to see them mature like that over 23 years later it's interesting to see the some die and there's a bunch of new ones now yeah yeah yeah that's that's fantastic yeah I love that park okay anything else it's not I think we're ready to go to adjournment so I just need a motion to adjourn I move we adjourn and we adjourn second I'll say great thanks all those in favor awesome we are adjourned thanks everyone thanks all thank you you there good night bye thank you everyone