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The roulette machines, they come out into the bookmakers 15-16 years ago and when they come out that's when I have lost over four million pounds in them disgusting fucking roulette machines and I paid us out 900 quid and I said dad this is fucking murder and that went on for 25 years. When we got that slip back what we was just doing was just having a five pound forecast double and we could just we could just make it to whatever we wanted to so like if it was an independent and said the the maximum you can win in one day is 10,000 per slip what we used to do is purposely make it to like 11 or 12 grand that the winning slip. I had undergranged on and alls at four to one last year and it won yeah so well yeah you can do the maths. There was like three CRD playing clothes all pretending to like be reading the form in the shop and they said Jason Brian you're under arrest and yeah straight to a straight of prison just nice that's what I'm saying because I'll tell you what, it's too fussy. Been my line. These guests we get Jason, Jase, how about you? Yeah not too bad James yeah not too bad at all. So a man who scammed the bookies you've been in and out prison quite a few times yes you're still gambling you've done a lot of mad stuff you still do your tips and your naps and you're still gambling please. I was a gambling addict so that's a very interesting conversation. Okay. First and foremost how are you? Yeah yeah I'm great yeah absolutely fantastic to be honest. Behaving? Behiving myself yeah last time I was in prison was two years ago I was in there for ten weeks and she's got a stop so I'm saying I've come out of all fucking just just let me just yeah take the time. Do you know what I mean? Because I can hear it in my fucking mouth. No listen don't worry about that man like get your water. Yeah no just nice so I'm saying that because I'll tell you what it's perfect. Before we get into all the mad stuff I always like to go back to the start of my guests get a bit more information about you where you grew up how it all began. Right um fucking now where do we start um so my old man got me into gambling um when I was nine he would take me into poker poker dens I was sitting there just watching him play poker for fucking hours um he got me to play a game of pool with um one of these mates for five under a quid when I was nine I won the game and we got in about four o'clock in the morning that that uh that particular night and um he didn't give me a drink I thought he was gonna give me like a tenner or father and he said look he said well done for for that and you can have the day off school the next day um and then it just went on from there really I mean it was just me and dad continuously it was always me and dad. What's on? Basically uh James yeah yeah just like literally it says crazy is like um when I was at school and I got myself in a funny situation I used to think myself what would dad think what would dad do you know always in my fucking head it's always dad this dad that dad this but um how are you so good at pool at a young age? How did you know? If you're beating people at nine years old um I don't know I think you've either got it or you haven't at pool you know I think like you know like the one old son of them uh Stephen Endree Steve Davis you know you've either got it or you haven't and and basically that's it you know and I think um I had it and uh yeah I've still got it yeah as when I go back to my gambling when I first gambled I was gambling for like four years old we used to go to lards with the family in Scotland and there was little machines you put 10 pence in yeah and the horses were there that's right I remember that and I always I used to cry when they tried to take me away I was buzzing my dad used to take me to Shawfield for a young age not knowing the effects but I had I used to play a thing called Chippy at school that's right I just fucking loved it man I just but then I would steal money at a young age to gamble yeah so after nine in that what were you doing at school will you in school much are we on the road to a fiat that um I used to um I used to go to school about two three times a week um the other the other two three I was at the snooker clubs uh assling uh men uh 10 pound a game 20 pound a game and all that my mom and dad they split up um for the for 17 years 12 fucking 12 12 months of the year so like 12 12 times a year they'd split up and when he wasn't there um I would be at the fucking snooker clubs playing for dough and bring the dough home for mum and then a month later I'll come back from school and I'd be on the set he cuddled up and all that having a bottle of fucking wine and then a month later he'd be off again um and that's down to gambling you know I mean uh he was out just fucking continuously gambling continuously continuously uh couldn't pay the rent couldn't pay the fucking mortgage and um that just went on and and I ended up taking dad's side went went out of ruck I wanted to be with me dad you know why I just he had this fucking he had this hold over me James um it's quite hard to explain that he just had this fucking knack with me um I think that's trauma bonding oh yeah it's really weird it's really really really weird and he's still fucking got it now still alive he's 84 and um yeah he messages me and what you up to should we go out and I'm thinking should we go out like dad you're 80 fucking four now time to fucking slow down and you know give it a break and all that but um yeah he was the uh so where I got my gambling from was my old man yes yeah it can be a generational thing all my uncles and grandas and that gambled did you ever see the destruction it was causing though at a young age or no no no not at all no no it was um no all I wanted to do was just be with him and gamble that that's all I wanted to do Jenkins just brings back a lot of emotions while talking about your dad yeah yeah because you know as I say he had he had this fucking hold over me but um I worshiped the fucking ground that he walked you know every everything he'd done I wanted to copy him I wanted to be like him um I just wanted to think like him I mean you know fuck me when he wasn't with mommy he always had a fucking he had another bird was that a dog was fucking winning fucking dove uh always thousands thousands and then the next week fucking done it done a lot but he'd always seem to get out of trouble always seem to get bang out of trouble cut the mumps on maybe he got his house with mum fucking brand new motor mumps later he's done a lot again but he always seemed to I don't I don't know I don't know where he'd done it but um yeah he just seemed to and I just I just wanted to be like him I just just wanted my dad's life yeah do you think you have your dad's life not now no um I mean he introduced me to casinos and uh the the roulette fucking the roulette really fucking got older me really really fucking got older me what age uh 16 he took me into a casino um you could just so you could just sign someone in there like nowadays you know id and all that kind but you could just sign someone as a guest and uh I think I won I think I want to beat 1500 quid the first time I was in a casino playing roulette and so that 16 I stopped six years ago so like 16 20 25 30 years of continuously doing my fucking dough playing roulette yeah it's a long team in it what did you do after school jess after school did you get a job or anything or was it just constantly yes yeah no because the old man he was he actually was a builder so he had a little roof in firm and bricklaying and plastering and whatever and um me and Ian my brother we was working like fall dead we wasn't actually doing the roof so I mean we was just like up and down the ladder uh towels on the fucking shoulder you know yeah past the fucking towels and all that kind but um that was like 16 yeah for about four years I've yeah yeah I've done some work yeah when did you realize that you were sucked into gambling did you know from a young age or that we just had blood base for it um same as yourself um I got the pier in South Sea and I played in machines what you was on about I used to play the fruit machines and um yeah proper fucking uh but none yeah but none is right yeah it's fucking a long time and I was the same it just I just didn't realize the extent of how it was like we used to get our wages and our first day I'll be nobles football I was straight to the bookies and every time I'd done my tank then I had to fucking skip the train I don't know how many conductors I was arguing with or fighting with jumping on the train trying to run around to go on the back one to get home and then I had to walk home my mum and cousin I was your wages were probably fucking eight quid or something quid but I just want to say so I'm not crying my my eyes actually fucking watering so I'm not crying all right just get that bit in but yeah um so then I think I was 20 and my old man was um he'd just been charged with uh about 20 grand worth of fraud it'd been a call and he got bail and we was living it at my uncle's house um and he come home from from the call and said look Jase I'm going on the run he said I am not going back to prison so I said oh and he he he didn't he begged me to to go with him he didn't ask me and uh I said yeah I said fuck it yeah what we're gonna do he said well we're gonna start a roofing business down Cornwall I said right yeah great yeah fuck it um I didn't have a bird at the time and uh realized was like pretty shit going nowhere and all that so I said yeah so we got hold of a motor and um we got as far as Devon and he said I'll tell you what well um we're trying to fat the bookie shall we I said how are we gonna do that he said well we just put some bets on after the um Greyhound race is finished and hopefully that that they don't realize that we'd put the bet on after the race had finished and they pay us out so I think on the fifth or sixth shop we got paid 220 quid and so like that sort of kept us going for a bit and then we just sort of like driving around aimlessly I was doing it then he was doing it and then like the managers were saying I know you put that on after the race had finished is your six quid back or whatever we put on a stake in it and then we've gone in one I think was in Weymouth and um he said wait you do it son I said no dad you fucking do it I said I've done the last three so I went in the toilet in his bookmakers and um I've come out I said all right to get on he said yeah I said what'd you do so he showed me the bet I said dad you didn't put the fucking uh dogs in like like three to beat five or four to beat six or whatever he's gone off for fuck's sake so he's gone out the burby on the jump he said love I haven't put my um dogs in so she gave him the top copy of the betting slip back and said yeah I'll put them in then so we thought what the fuck like the race finished and it was like I think just say it was like one one in two come second um he's put one to beat two six pound forecast anyway the the manager come back and um he skip it a bit and she said oh you're too late for this uh you can't get paid is your six quid back so we come back to shop and he said fuck me did you just see what happened then Joyce I said yes he said how the fuck can we do this get the fucking top copy back and con him I said I don't know when we just we we was in the car for like a couple of hours thinking about it thinking thinking thinking how the fuck can we do it and um we come up with this idea that if we leave if we write a horse on the top copy and put 10 pound forecast for example but make it a double barreled name it looks like just say for example um Betty's hot pot is the horse with a woman and put a dash between Betty's and hot pot so the woman would think that's Betty to beat hot pot 10 pound forecast so we'd give it a bit before the race so then they put it through the tail and then then there was the old tails um there was a little ton thing a little stamp thing and all that so she'd go to tear the the bet and slip enough to give us the pink bit or the yellow bit which was our receipt and just before she'd like like tear it in half we'd say oh darling I've only put one horse in for me forecast so she'd look at it and say no you've got Betty like they're Betty to win and pot becomes second and we say no Betty Betty fucking hot pot is one horse and so she'd go oh you silly nana and she'd put the bet and slip on the counter for us to put another horse in but what we'd done we'd wrote another um uh betting slip out uh identical to the one what we just fucking give her and then basically all we had to do was just get that one back and swap it for the other one what we wrote identical so we used to say oh could you put the um one o'clock at Newmarket on the screen for us darling so she like she'd turn her aid and she'd look up and as she looked up we'd like slightly around swap the betting slip and then she'd say yeah look here's your one o'clock at Newmarket and then we just say oh do you know what darling just just just change it to a win so we're like Betty's hot pot to win 10 pound win she's all right okay and now we've got this fucking betting slip with a torn on it that date and a betting slip number which was like basically what we used to call it was a fucking uh golden ticket really because like we could you could just do whatever you want with that betting slip you can just like we bought this fucking pen as well from WH Smith the pen was like one pound 10 um a razor max it was called and we used to just rub out the fucking ink on the betting slip so now we've got a blank betting slip and you can just literally just do what you want so we used to watch a race or two at the beginning when we first when we first done it we've done a 10 pound forecast and now we've got to get the white top copy over to and at the beginning we didn't have a fucking clue what we was doing so we used to just chuck the fucking uh top copy over and sometimes it used to spin like a fucking helicopter and sometimes you just like land on the floor and they'd pick it up and they'd put it on with all the other white slips and then it used to go to the back of the shop but the settler was and then they'd mark it and as I said the first one we done it was all nervous now before what's going to happen what's going to happen and um the settler at the back of the shop she's put like payout 220 quid sent it to the cashier we've given the cashier the receipt and they paid us 8 220 quid and uh or 240 or whatever it was and I said dad fuck me we can we can go around the country doing this so we've done it another like five or six times 200 here 240 260 and then I said dad should we try a tricast and he said no Jase you're strong in it and I said no fuck it let's try it so is that what Nikrit kicks in yeah because like you know tricast you know I mean they can pay like like grants yeah well it's like between like 60 quid and 200 quid so maybe he's not going big and smashing it we did instead of the 240 why are you not doing like 100 quid 200 quid no because no yeah no all you need is little steak um if you have it like because exactly fly under the radar well I think like if you're going in there like you know 100 quid 200 quid they're sort of like whoa what's going on there and they reach a bit you know oh Mary this chap's having 200 quid here you know then they might start getting on the phone or that um so what we used to do we used to keep it to a minimum 10 pound I used to see 10 pound on the slip and I didn't even like read it I just put it through but as I say then we started on tricast and like I was in a lab book so I think I'm allowed to say that and I said yes we do a tricast he said no fuck it he said that beats strong in it I thought fuck it I'm gonna do it without even fucking telling me so I've done a 10 pound tricast the result was like three two six or so I put three two six on the golden ticket we've got the weight slip over to the woman and um it's paid 90 pound now 90 pound Tom's 10 is 900 quid and uh the settler at the back I've gone out to collect it and the settler at the back said oh my fucking god like how did you do that I said they're my lucky numbers darling oh I always do them I always do them numbers and I paid us out 900 quid and I said dad this is fucking murder and that went on um fucking hell for 25 years yeah no yeah yeah 25 years yeah yeah 20 yeah were you saving the money though as a gambler or were you just putting bigger bets on them when you went to the casino and stuff no well so withdraw lump I mean it it was like 1800s 19 lab books willy mills and coals in them days over two grand they had to check it with another shop all I used to say look we're gonna check the camera because there was a camera in the till we check the film uh because it's over two grand so you'd have to come back tomorrow so we always just to keep it below two grand so we could just get the 1800 or 1900 that day um after six months I mean we used to go and it was mainly fucking independent bookmakers in them days oh excuse me you don't see independence now but we used to it was like 10 10 000 a shop in independence it was fucking crazy and and they'd pay us ready they'd go to the bank they give us a fucking check a coin all they pay us fucking ready as I'm saying it went out the 10 grand but but what we was doing when we was collecting the 18 or 19 from lab books or the 10 grand for the independence we'd fuck off to an hotel um get drunk have a nice fucking steak and all that then we go a uh to a boozer shant more drink more drink more drink um then a nightclub me and fucking dad in a nightclub I was 20 he was what 52 53 mind you we always had the fucking birds around him in a nightclub it was weird I used to pull one every down again but he had he was always surrounded by fucking birds anyway and then um one o'clock in the morning casino and we just do the fucking lot we just we just literally every now and again you'd win we would be there till like the last spin sort of four o'clock five o'clock in the morning and if we happened to be in front on the last spin then you know we'd had a fucking we'd had a good night but like 19 out of 20 times we would do all of our fucking money on the roulette also the old man he just he loved every fucking all-space every fucking dog race so sometimes he was to collect two three grand siloing an independent and I say right come on dad let's fuck off and he'd say no listen we might as well just stay and have a bit and me and I said what do you mean to stay and have a bit we've just done them for three grand we've got to fuck off yeah but look look who's on that look McCoy's on that let's have four 100 quid on out for fuck's sake dad McCoy ain't gonna fucking win this day yeah but no no Josh don't know he won the last two races all this fucking nonsense then we'd stay in the shop it was so fucking we're not thinking about it no so fucking pathetic we'd stay in the shop and give them the fucking three grand back what we just conned out of him it was insane sometimes used to have a double con in the shop sometimes we had like five or six in my shop um sometimes we drop we con them for three grand then dad would like say come on let's have a bit we do the three grand back and then we con them again for like 2800 29 and then we'd fuck off and then the usual hotel drink food uh nightclub casino wake up in the morning with 60 quid and then back on the road again uh back into back into the bookies again so so basically just conning to feed your habit yeah basically James yeah that's all it was yeah just literally conning getting a dough uh roulette roulette fucking that roulette i'll tell you it's crazy that you could have you could have been a multi-millionaire well taking three grand six grand and then just putting it back on you're just basically feeding a half but you're better off just putting on fucking no bets obviously he's our says and done me saying that but yeah but it's just the best you've never even done the fucking con obviously the 11 at high lifestyle which is the turn on the attractions being with your dad just so much yeah as a massive attraction that so you were getting the slips swapping the slips so when you rip the slip will you thrown it on the floor so they could put it in with the stack yeah that was like in the beginning we should throw on the floor or throw it or like oh babes could you get us a cup of tea or can you get us a tango or coke or something and then as soon as they turn around we we chuck it sometimes you use the land on the floor sometimes it land on their counter and then they just fucking pick it up and put it with the rest of the pulse but that got a bit stupid because i think a couple of times they see us chucking it over and they say what have you just fucking done and we said nothing nothing and then they just like they picked it up from the counter or the floor and i said if you just chuck that over oh and then oh oh it's a winning bet it comes to like two and a half grand uh can you leave the shop please and all that game so i said dad we've got to stop chucking it over so what we've done it just it was a little bit of um it weren't genius but it was just better to get the weight slip over um we're giving free genuine bits they put them through the tilt to ching to ching to ching tear them tear them in half all three give us the pink copies and then we should just slide the fucking white copy underneath the pink the three copies and say oh darling you've just given us that back by a mistake and she goes oh my god oh my god what have i done and then she'd pick the white slip and say oh thank you so much she didn't realize it is a fucking like a con fucking slip and then she'd put that white slip herself with all the other white slips and then all the other white slips would go to the back of the shop where the uh settler was so it wasn't no um so see if you were putting on the tenor yeah see when you's got their slip back yeah you could have anything on it anything you fucking how much were you writing on it because their tilt must have been short then every every day no yeah yeah no no they took yeah their tools were short like fucking ten grand sometimes you know what i mean yeah but if you're writing a slip say a hundred quid this time they've not even got the hundred quid either no no no no it used to be look it used to be a tenor sometimes it could just be a father jumps because in the end what we what we was doing when we got that slip back what we was just doing was just having a five pound full cast double and we could just we could just make it to whatever we wanted to so like if it was an independent and it said like the the maximum you can win in one day is 10 000 per slip what we used to do is purposely make it to like 11 or 12 grand that the winning slip and um we got up to the jump and it say uh look there's a fucking slip there's a poster out there says you you can only win 10 grand and then we used to go oh fuck so like if we'd have put that on in lab books we would have got 12 grand and i said well the rules of the rules you know you you you sonny fucking 10 grand i mean we're absolutely buzzing inside you know he's like like doing them for 10 grand but um yeah a father no he didn't have to put under a quid on or 200 quid or anything like that no it was literally like four five pound yeah was there anybody else onto this um what do you mean like what what other people yeah because it just seems so easy i don't there used to be a book he's in at Glasgow i'm not mentioning the one but the time was 48 seconds behind yeah yeah we used to go and shop so there was like four five minutes beyond in it you know you could just do what you fucking want then you could just put like anything you you know have a 15-20 pound full cast if you didn't want to fucking be asking for slips back and all that their time was out um i don't know i don't know if you know but they used to put a slip through called a off slip at the beginning of the race so like when the bow rang on the on the grounds used to put a slip through so if your if your number on your slip was after that slip then you've you've put the bet on after the off slip so you you're not going to get paid but in the end days half of them they're so fucking dizzy they just forgot to put the off slip through and that was it we just fucking that's just one james there was so fucking there was so many it was it just it just got it just got out of van to be honest it just got it just got stupid it just got absolutely fucking crazy what was the most you won in one day i had undergrained on an oles at four to one last year and it won yeah so well yeah you can do the match forty one four oh it's fucking four we know that four to one yeah yeah but that's for coves if you're picking up tens and that what was the biggest bet you put on that that i grand no no james a hundred hundred great a hundred grants yeah that's what i was thinking i grand at forty one no no no hundred yeah yeah with a a bookmaker who um there's only one bookmaker now in the country what will take a bet from me one i can't have a bet in the fucking bookies no no no no fucking wonderful yeah it's going to meant fucking moans yeah but it's all stopped it's all stopped james you know what i mean and there was a crown court judge what ban is from 2014 to 2019 it's now what we in 2023 and um it's yeah the band's up the band finished four years ago you know i should be allowed to go in and put a bit on but now i'll go in and they say jace they're good as gold um they're nice and ploy you know they say jace can you leave and i'll say yeah one i was dying for don't use a toilet one day and i thought i'm i didn't go near to have a bet i just want to use a toilet i've gone in there i said just gonna use a toilet he said don't fuck off and i said i'm dying for a piss and uh he said no get out so i just yeah i just left yeah when did it come on talk for you it come on top um i think three years like into it and we got nicked no you know do we get nicked in that in march a little little town in near norfolk called march m-i-r-c-h it was lab rugs um and we've gone in now i think it's come 17 800 1800 quid and i was good as gold two women very very lovely genuine nice women and um they said look we ain't got the money could you just drive 45 minutes to the next town i can't really know the next town i said but they've got the money for you and we drove 45 minutes to the next town and we've gone in there there's a couple of geysers in there and they said oh no we ain't got the money and we said the woman in march just said drive to this town to collect the money and they went oh we've just had a big payout and we thought all this don't sound right so um he said look go back to march tomorrow in the morning and they'll have the money for you and i said to dad i said dad i don't fucking like this and um he said no it'd be all right it'd be all right and we went in there in the morning there was like three crd plain clothes all pretending to like be reading a form in the shop and they said uh jason brine you're under arrest and um yeah straight to uh straight to prison yeah my first um time in prison yeah well yeah what were you charged with fraud yeah fraud yeah what and what evidence did i have against you without following you or whatever um so what what they've said is they they circulated our picture all over the country to every fucking single bookmakers oh excuse me in the country um and i think they'd done this for about 20 or 30 shops which was great um and what i mentioned earlier on the camera in the film what what they've done is they just went back over a certain few months and check the film like in the till and see that our bets wasn't on the on the film role so you know so we was bang the voids yeah we couldn't go not guilty was that a very concern then checking the cameras and you throwing slips and you swapping slips um well no because they couldn't check the fucking they couldn't check the film there and then james you know what i mean like it was a special chap who had to come in and it would take like three or four days so i mean i mean we didn't get like 10 out of 10 shops i think we'd like got sort of seven out of eight and then two that or three that we didn't get they'd say oh we're gonna we're gonna check the film on this one so could you come back in two days and obviously we didn't go back in two days time yeah what scenes did you get um so i've done four and a half months on remand um with dead i was banged out with dead who was that being in prison with your dad oh god i was on the top he was on the bottom smoking fucking roll apps uh pass me uh pass me a roll app jay so fucking like this is just like mental like it was insane um we got tricked like fucking royalty because we was in there scamming the bookmakers and you know a lot of people still to this fucking day james had they don't like the bookmakers you know and um it wasn't nice at all you know i mean like the first day i was in there i thought what's that what the fuck um but four and a half months we went to court uh see the judge and he let me go um he deferred more sentence and he gave dead what he gave him two and a half years because he gave him i think he gave him 12 months for the bookies and i think he gave him another 80 months for the fraud what he was wanted for when like we first started when we went on the run like yeah so see after that when you get out of prison when you're thinking just straight back to work or you're thinking i need to screw the nut and make changes even when i was sorry but i was when i was in the jail and we used to been left from home but i used to i used to i was still betting two bars of chocolate used to pick whatever meeting it was say five six meetings you one you get three points second two points third one point however i had the most point ones already chocolate that i was still trying to get my fix i was still putting phone calls on to my sister my friends look battered this one football so i had a coupon for the saturday and the sunday i was like it's madness i was a bookie james i was a bookie and um i think i the third or fourth sentence that i've done and i was just taking bets left right in the center phone cards tobacco snout and all there and um you'll never see a poor bookie and my draws were full up with chocolate and tobacco and fucking chris and pop noodles and christ and all these phone cards how old are you james fit here right so did you read phone cards when you yeah yeah yeah so yeah i think i had a bit 30 or 40 uh phone cards in me draw so and that was like two quid each so that was like 80 quid to her for fucking phone cards in me draw um that's bad isn't it it's mental so see when you get out then are you thinking just straight back to work in them days yeah yeah then you've got you become a massive target that it was always fear in your mind when you go into bookies or do you lose that just to get that fix i'll tell you what happened it was you know i'll keep blaming the old man but it was um he used to come around come on we're going out to work this this is what we used to call it work you know it's fucking stupid we're not we're not things about it now um what we're doing yeah we just pop off for a week um and you know we used to drive to scotland uh we're about a year from the classical course yeah yeah but um now it was just it was insane it it was like our job james you know i mean i don't know if we're fucking back in orcs but the roulette used to absolutely kill me for all like as i say for 30 fucking years the roulette is absolutely fucking destroyed me um i think the last casino i was in it was a bit three years back and i took a grant there in cash and i didn't take no cards i went there on my own i thought i'd go to someone and if they're winning then i can just like bow off them and i think i won a big five or six grand on the roulette but i went there three years ago and he said to me you're banned and i said why and he didn't tell me he said we don't have to give you a reason and um he said also you're banned from every casino in uh united kingdom so they they they didn't tell me so that's that's quite that's um that's quite good for me but then you you've still got the uh what happens if you're caught in a casino no i can't get in them james i can't i can't get in them yeah i can't you know you need you need rd to join out to be a member um if i've got some of the saw me in then they that that they're keeping their eye on you like you can only win up to like 1500 quid two grand or something so you know all you can like so if i wanted to do that basically i'm on the odds to fucking lose a lot though if i walked in there like with 15 20 grand all i can win is two but i can lose 15 20 grand yeah were you scamming the casino as well no no not at all no no not at all it's hard done there ever for no not at all no no i think i've done it i think i've done it once and i've got a way of it i was weak 25 um roulette i was sitting there i've just done me fucking bollocks and um it stopped and there was a little bit of emotion going on a little scaffold or something and the croupier looked to her left and i think i just put a hundred or 200 uh two 100 uh pound chips on black and it stopped on like number 15 and she she paid me i thought oh that was good but uh once once and i said i've never done it again yeah how much do you think you've spent in the bookies your whole life um i've done see we haven't really got onto this yet but the the roulette machines they come out into the bookmakers 15 16 years ago and when they come out that's when i i i've lost over four million pound in them disgusting fucking roulette machines as soon as they come out i walked in a fucking i was in Spaulding in Uplingsonshire i walked in my local red shop Coles and i see this big fucking machine looking at me i thought what the fuck is that i went over it's roulette uh put your money in up 200 pounds which i did i had it on red come in red i thought fucking hell that was handy click that went out the bird give it a thing she's give me 200 but i thought from that day the day they come in i've got completely and utterly fucking hooked to their machines it was my life i mean it was a disaster when we used to go into the casinos but more it was like a disaster times a million as soon as them fucking machines come out how do you think your life would be if you never gambled wow see the thing is james for the last five years i have not got involved on roulette at all not not at all so thank fuck for that like thank i i've just i think i just said to me sad you've got to grow up you've got to grow up because you're just going to keep going back to prison do your money on the fucking roulette go out lamp on the fucking horse the horse fucking wins bump back to the roulette do your fucking dough and i've stopped i've stopped the fucking used did you say used to gamble everything yeah have you stopped yeah i'm five years right so one bit so that's not one ticket not one scratch card i can't just put a bit on the horse i was sitting doing 24-48 shifts fucking NFL and water polo and ESPN whatever shit was on that so i could just sit and watch and i'd never left the house just started smoking weed like i became a recluse but i was doing a lot of bad things to fix that habit i wasn't fucking it because if i found an end to do so yeah i would still be doing it fucking right like i don't you wouldn't care you don't care who you're hunting because it's a hidden addiction we pretend let's say it's an act you know this yourself but see when you started in and out of prison and stuff like that were you ever in debt to the loan sharks i was ever on top of you no no no not at all no not at all because like it was so fucking easy for us to get money for the bookmakers it was so fucking easy it was just a little bit of fucking sleight of hand a little bit of chit chat and then we get paid and that was it that my fucking downfall was roulette it was i'll tell you know you you know james you had all the fucking numbers on a roulette table it comes to 666 you knew that yeah so that's that that's telling you something you know but um yeah i've stopped the same as you roulette but i still which i always have done all my life i still lump on horses i still do i don't think you have a stop you don't want to stop anyway do you i don't i don't see now james i don't get involved when i was in the bookmakers with that if we just if we collected three or four five grand whatever i would say dad come on let's let's go because basically i wanted to get to the hotel drink and i wanted to get to the casino to play fucking roulette no no james come on let's just have this let's have that one more game james like fucking like all's racing every fucking every race every fucking dog it wasn't my game but the roulette thank fuck i've stopped thank fuck what made you stop wow um so when was i last in jail uh three years ago and um i thought no i got arrested for this for these two bookies about four or five years ago and the the me barrister said look you could end up gonna jail because um oh that's right i wasn't allowed in the bookies at the time i was still on that fucking band so they've done me for that as well so when i got arrested for that i i said to myself i have got to fucking stop playing roulette and that was it that was it i think that was the wake-up call yeah did you did you anybody ever try and take take you because you are scamming so much money um finally you should say that i got burgled last week yeah yeah i've never been burgled at all ever in my fucking life and um you know there's videos of me now i'm fucking tiktok on instagram i'm sitting on the table like this with fucking underground i'm just taking a piss i had a few trolls on twitter years ago when i was on twitter and now what i just do i just do that just to piss them off but there was one um i put this video on tiktok i was sitting there with underground and now i was just taking a piss and there was a comment and it was from a woman well a bit of bloke but it was a woman's face and she said aren't you worried about getting robbed and i said no no i put this video out like six months ago and um i got robbed last week um i won't go into detail what they took right but um she's commented on the tiktok video which i put out six months ago she said so you're you're you're not worried then i thought you bitch i blocked her for fuck sake just shows you but then that social means a powerful tool like there's your bag still gambling he's still he's still having a bit yeah you know not obviously not as much because he can't get it now but um yeah he's having yeah he's having like 70 80s on one seven or four shot nine or four shots and all that um i think he gets his um what's it called his pension and he's up the bookmakers he can get in i thought i don't know how they let they let him in but they won't fucking let me in i mean he got banned as well the same time as me for five years but they let him in i think that just lets him in because he's such a fucking bad gambler so they just let him in you know he's 85 he ain't gonna do nothing and he just keeps doing his binds every every week every two weeks whenever he gets his pension you wrote a book is real jay so what was that about it's made me life yeah it was about me life but but the book i was so the book finished in 2000 so i started in 2016 it took me a year i just fucking setting dolls um i thought well i'm gonna just tell everybody about me fucking like got it uh published um i've run up a random penguin house and they said uh right give us six weeks we're gonna read this and all that and then we get back to you and then two days later i had a phone call from another publisher he said i want jason i want that book i want that for i said are you he said well check me out check me out on the internet and all that i checked him out he'd been he'd been a publisher like 30 years all true crime books i thought fuck it i'll go with him and i went with him and then it was out about a month six weeks had loads of i think had about 90 90 100 fucking five star reviews on amazon and then um he cancelled a book and he he said he he had a phone call from the cid that they're gonna arrest him if he don't cancel the book and and i said to him you are i said like the fucking craze of book books and films and all that their publishers don't get uh they're not gonna get arrested i said all i've done is just a few bookies for like 25 years are you telling me the truth one yes he said yes i've got to cancel the book and um he cancelled a book so uh i mean i could get it out there again james i've had uh another publisher which i won't mention his name at the moment but he said i'm gonna get this out for you this was about three months ago but it's like on hold um i suppose i could like you know self-published but i just now with like what i'm doing now being a tipster i haven't got time i ain't got time to do that so unless you know any publishers do you yeah no publishers yes yeah yeah wait get out there people love those sort of stories that find me get out there people got their choices listen scamming people and that but the big listen it's the big bookies look fuck them the people the amount of spins you can do in a roulette machine in five minutes you could lose thousands upon thousands like for me i don't give two fucks about the bookies man like for people scamming the bookies lots of people don't no lots of because i was a gamble myself i know the destruction it caused but i've still got to take responsibility of my own choices but they don't care man that they they have the bookies don't care no no but the thing is with me james i used to detest the staff see i used to absolutely fucking detest them because when these roulette machines come out i'm going to give you i'm going to give you one example i was sitting on a on a chair in coals or lab books and i was doing about 1500 quid in 20 minutes sweating and um i'm sitting on this beautiful black comfortable two they they i swear they they skip these chairs into my you feel nice and comfortable and everything and i was doing about 1500 quid and um one of the staff come up to me blonde fucking tasty nasty you know and um she said oh i'm just popping to the shop do you want a sandwich now i'm doing me fucking brains in the fucking roulette i've stopped james i've looked i said i've i've i've looked i said what she said i'm just popping to the shop do you want a sandwich and because she was a fucking soul i usually i'd say oh fuck off yeah i'm doing me brains here just leave me alone but because she was a soul um i said yeah get me a sandwich yeah ham and cheese please so 20 minutes later she's come back i think i've put another two and a half three grand in the machine and um she said yeah babes and i've just like i've just looked at her and thought what the fuck i thought did this sandwich it's just cost me four grand and i used to detest them i thought you bastards you know you you made me fucking sit there for another half hour waiting for you to get the sandwich and i've done another three grand but do you know what james now we're not thinks about it they they've been told by all the bookmakers to do this is their fucking job now this is their job to get you comfortable in the bookmakers to do your fucking money it's not them they don't do that but but now there's all fucking cameras in the bookmakers oh another thing which i've which i should have said this at the beginning don't fucking copy my scams because you will get fucking caught it's all cctv in the shops now james you know what i mean you've got absolutely no chance and you you will go to jail but getting back to the staff it wasn't them they was told to do it from the big boys on top lad brooks coals william mills and that yeah what's jerry tinky alcoholic tax here that's just that that was another shop um we went in there basically we done it for 10 grand or i think we went over yeah over the odds 13 14 grand he said my 10 grand's the only limit he said come back tomorrow and i'll have the 10 grand for you so we've gone back the next day um 11 o'clock in the morning he weren't there uh where's jerry where's jerry i'll just ring him i can't get hold of him and this went on for three days we kept going back the next day and then um what we done on the fourth day we got uh we we got a taxi just a random fucking taxi near the bookmakers and he said where you going go and we said oh jerry's hoping that um we we knew he liked to drink this jerry he was it when we see him on the first day he was always like he's stunk a fucking alcohol people in the shops said he was always in the boozer so we got the taxi and we said oh we're going to uh jerry's please he said oh do you owe him and we said yeah yeah yeah thinking oh this is good so he's going to take us to his house which he he did and we've knocked the door and we're not fucking violent james we're not like fucking gangsters or anything anyway we've knocked the door he's opened the door he's gone fucking white because he's seeing me and dead and um he said i'll have your fucking money tomorrow i'll have your phone we saw you you've been saying this for three days and then we went to the shop the next day and we thought hang on this could be on top now we sent a we sent a young kid in there with the bed and sleep he's come out fucking four minutes later he's approached me and dad he's walked slowly to me and dad with the freaking uh an envelope big fucking big envelope in his hand and he's given it to me and dad there was a 10 grand in there and um we've given him two three hundred quids to go mate fuck off and he's run and that was it um but jerry yeah good old jerry the uh the alcoholic yeah do you have any regrets with that um yeah i'll do yeah i'll do james yeah because like what i have heard like in the like newspaper and and internet fucking clippings of me i don't think no one got the sack i've never heard of any fucking staff getting the sack i've actually when i was on 20 years ago i i used to get people DM me you bastard you got me the sack but i've never fucking heard of it like uh in the newspaper or on internet anybody getting the sack because of me and dad but i used to get like wrapped by the big boys and i think it was a lot like a little bit in excuse me sorry embarrassing for them that they've been conned by me and dad and i mean like towards the end it was like crazy because our pictures were in every fucking shop in the bookmakers and um we should just go in there and they just obviously they didn't recognize us and uh used to pay us out and that was it it was fucking it was crazy absolutely crazy that's crazy and that's went on for 25 stage yeah stopped do you think if you wanted to you could scam the bookies no of course yeah yeah i could just pop into one now um but oh they've got a new system out now anything over 400 quid they've got to ring another shop and send them that bed and slip um to the other shop and then the other shop will will just say look that that bed don't look right don't pay it so yeah um yeah y'all could go into a shop and do it for 300 quid but i'd no no that ain't that ain't perfectly fucking wild james yeah well does your sentences get bigger or is it just i know more slides than the best um so the last sentence uh judge gave me 20 weeks and this was during covid i had to do 10 weeks which was i think quite pathetic really i mean um when i went to court the barrister said you know what you could go to jail but i don't think you'll be going to jail because it's covid everybody's in there all messed up and all that but yeah he gave me 20 weeks but um there won't be no more james there will not be no more because now i've stopped the fucking roulette now i just has a lump on the fucking holes and no more no more jadon no did you get help the jasper help yes yeah a few times years ago but um that was like if we was on bail then the thing to do was go you know do a bit of mood he go to the gamblers anonymous and all that and then you know when you go to court he's like oh well he's been to gamblers anonymous sure you know he's really trying which is all bollocks because when i was in the gamblers anonymous uh room with like 15 20 people 80 percent of them was on bail ready to go to court for fucking fraud or fever or whatever so it was just you know and they had their excuse like um they've got a major fucking gambling addiction and all that um they probably did but i think i had like like one of the biggest fucking gamblers gambling addictions at the lot of them but yeah i should just sit there in the room and i didn't take no notice you know have you been have you been before yeah yeah yeah um did it work for you or have i finished the 12 steps i still speak to alex um because i knew some of the gamblers and that went as well and we're still gambling not like everybody's yeah still got that again they're trying they're trying so understood that i went and i realized i can make changes myself but i don't like um i felt i used to look at gamblers and think i'm better than them i used to always look at people taking drugs i'm better than them i wasn't the same fucking but yeah went to lots of meetings in and out for years so you had the top three you had the alcohol drinks no not alcohol at the the gambling was the main one the boozing the drugs was a weekend it wasn't an everyday thing but it was fucking when i smashed it i smashed it for a long period of time so all i felt was if all the negative shit came hand in hand because when you're a gambling you feel like a fucking loser let's be honest you feel that i'm all time losing i was making good money i was doing bad shit but i was just funding a habit like you you're just making money to fund that habit get that kick of dopamine just to feel alive and once you've not got a bit on your life felt like shit yeah but i'll keep going back to it but the roulette was you into roulette everything roulette is evil but only if i do roulette in my mind it was too short i would put the rugby league on or the snooker so i could watch it for two three hours and pro long a bit yes yeah i'll see do you know what i mean i knew it was too short yeah and i would and then if i was skint the whole day i would be agitated it's like fucking coming off see with me if i was skint i would say dad come on let's go and let's go and do the bookies or i'd ring him and say dad come on if he said like i'm busy then i'd go out on my own um i was never trying save just it just went to the casinos it just went on back on the fucking roulette table that's all that's all my money went into the casinos all onto them fucking evil roulette machines every fucking penny but one tom is an example i beat 15 years ago i was in Leeds and i was on my own and i've done six williamill's in the space of two hours six hundred quid each a condom six hundred quid each so it's 36 and 6 12 18 24 3600 so i stopped got me to have an hotel uh cut the drinks not a clock that night 10 o'clock that night straight to casino done a lot woke up the morning with 30 quid went straight back into the fucking williamill's where i've done that the day before try to do him again and um he said mate you've done me for six hundred yesterday he said it's bang on top he said you've done all round fucking Leeds and um i think i've got nicked for that a year later and then the the usual five months on the mind and then you're free to go so yeah did any of the staff ever give you a heads up no no not at all no the staff would not in it no no no but if it was on top for you no no no no no no not at all no not at all no no like a few of them would like um if it was on top you you you could just tell like with their faces and they just try to keep you in the shop you know all do you want a cup of tea do you want a cup of coffee and we no no thanks lovely i'm off i'll see you tomorrow and all that but um no no they'll never give us the heads up no no never so what you're doing you're leaving now you're giving people tips so is this legit or is it another form of you just fucking million percent the jet so i stopped roulette four years ago and concentrated on me fucking horses which i've had enough of your fucking horses since the day fucking docked james and um i was on to i had the tiktok account and um i was putting my bets on um i was funny i looked back there and i think i'll give like 15 winners at a 15 in in the space of 15 days and then all these people like dm and me saying why don't you do uh why don't you fucking start charging i thought no no i can't i can't do that but i can't see i'm knowing can we stop so um so where was we so i'll give 15 winners on the trot on tiktok a few people were saying i've got a lot of dms on tiktok saying look jace why don't you start fucking charging for this you can't get on in the shop no more you can't fucking go and place a bet there's only one fucking bookmaker who will take a fucking bet off me um you know i can't keep traveling all the way out the fucking like scotland to place a bet on for example so yeah i've started um i've started on the tips of now um it's been going nearly a fucking year and um 80 percent of my members who who who joined a year ago are still with me i've got over fucking 2000 members it's going it's going strong jumps it's going very very very well and i don't use like a like a point system like all the other fucking all the other tips i've also got to apologize as well because when i like come on tiktok as a tipster i've noticed now there's like 30 40 50 fucking wannabe fucking tipsers on tiktok they backs the fucking alls or they backs the dog and then all of a sudden they're a fucking tipster and it's quite embarrassing to watch them actually but i'm not like all the other fucking divvy tipsers out there and and when i say all the others i mean they're so fucking moody it's unbelievable there's i'm not gonna mention no names but there's one who says he gets fucking um uh contact information from a certain trainer so everybody fucking asks this certain trainer on twitter if he do give information to this certain tipser and he's this this trainer said i've never heard of him so that was that bollocks there's another one on um on twitter i ain't gonna mention his name but apparently he fucking um alters his fucking slips his online slips and he's got caught two or three times for it in the last year um you just gotta be careful there's one across across the water as i ain't gonna mention no names but um apparently what he's doing um is is backing every fucking alls in the race just so there's nine runners nine horses in the race he's having a score on every fucking uh alls and if a thirty three to one all wins that race it's like look at this this is info this is fucking info and it displayed that is is 20 pound winning slip on the thirty three to one fucking all so with me i mean like all my members they they sends me all the fucking winning slips and um there'd be like 30 40 50 fucking slips what i will show to people on uh instagram tiktok and everything so yeah it's going away yeah it's really good going forward for the future just like watch our plans then stay out of trouble no scamming there be no more scamming one one fucking million percent no um i'm gonna listen james i didn't think this fucking tipping would would would take off i really didn't as i started a year ago um i said contact me if you want to get involved i had eight people pay on one day and i said to i said to me dead i said fat me dead i said like eight people joined 30 quid a month that's 240 quid and then the next day there was like 300 people joined and i thought myself wow this is like you know insane um i think like three four weeks after i was a tipster um i'll give there's a there's a chap i know i knows him as big mark from new market i've known him for fucking years he's a professional gambler and um he said to me after three weeks he said look jace look there's three fucking horses today he said if you want to get more members he said these three horses are going to fucking win now he's very intelligent this this this mark very very nice geezer he's a millionaire he's never done a day's graph in his life never pulled a stroke in his fucking life and uh i said are you sure he said yes just put these three horses up on instagram and tiktok before they fucking run so i said well i can't put the fucking horses on tiktok on social media before they run because i'm a tipsy mark he said well just say then you've got three horses a day and they're not gonna fucking lose and and and the the trebles paying like 60 to 1 i said all right so i said i've got three horses a day i said they they've got they're all gonna fucking win and the trebles paying 60 to 1 and they all won at 60 to 1 we're about far anybody watching jason's maybe struggling with gambling what advice would you have for me people good good question very very very good question people struggling with gambling do not play do not get involved with roulette do not ever get involved with roulette fucking casino games online if you're going to go online or have a bet on all on and all do not play the fucking casinos do not delete it or there's a you can chat in the help thing and just just ban yourself from the casino and do not chase do not chase if you've if you've done a few quid that day that's it just leave it just leave it do not chase if you chase you will do your fucking dough left right and center jess for coming on a day in your story mate like variant like some fraud giant that there's millions more but we we've run out of time but it's so fucking much more it's unbelievable would you like to finish up on anything yeah just roulette do not fucking get involved with that roulette yeah do not that's it mate i wish you all the best in the future oh stay out of trouble mate stay out of prison at least see you soon mate okay you take it