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And before we start our conversation, let me give all of you just a brief background as to what happened Tuesday here in Mexico City. It's kind of shifted the ground a little bit, but it's also kind of exciting as to what's beginning to unfold here in advance of next year's presidential election. So here you are, everyone. Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations, Margello Ebrard, one of the leading contenders to be the country's next president, said on Tuesday he will resign to focus on winning the presidential nomination of the ruling Morena Party for the 2024 presidential elections. Ebrard, a former mayor of Mexico City, wants to succeed President Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador as the standard bearer of the left of center national regeneration movement, which we call Partido Morena, and Morena now dominates national politics here in Mexico. So with that brief background, because I want Alina to share with us all her knowledge, I want all of you to welcome Alina, and I'm so happy to have you back. You're so incredibly busy, and we should talk about your new project also before the end of the program, because it's very exciting, and I know you're like living it. So I'm really thankful for your time. No, thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure to be here with you, and WTF is going a lot too early. Thank you, Terry. So let's talk about a barge decision to resign on Tuesday. Boy, it was like, I think for a lot of people outside of Mexico, it was like, wow, big surprise for those of us inside Mexico, kind of knew it was coming. We're suspecting it was a possibility. Actually, this is the beginning of the race for presidency in 2024. We've been talking about this here in Mexico for the last weeks or even months, but no one decided to say like, this is the beginning, three, two, one, we start, and the counselor was the one who started, who decided to resign to the cabinet of Andrés Manuel López Obrador. And we are not really surprised because he said these kind of things for the last at least three or two months. He said that everyone who wanted to be the candidate should resign. And I mean, this was an advice for the governor of Mexico City, Claudia Sheinbaum, for the senator Ricardo Monreal, and also for the minister of government, Adam Augusto López. Those are the principal persons who could really succeed like being the next president of Mexico. But with the decision of Ebrard, we really are into like the beginning of the race for presidency. And now we're talking about the counselor specifically because this is the real battle for president, for being president next year. It's not a battle between the right and the left. It's a battle inside Morena. All the pool says that next year, people prefers to have another candidate for Morena done from the opposition, from the pan, and to be honest, I think that that's amazing after having almost 100 years of the free. And now we are talking about a progressive government that is going to have like a second episode, a second part of Obradorismo. And that's why it's so important now what they're doing, the counselor, the governor of Mexico City and also at an August of the second one in charge of this country, all of them want to be the next president. And I'm pretty sure that one of them is going to be in 2024 in a year. Actually, in exactly one year today, we will know who's going to be the next president. We are going to have the elections on June in next year. So it starts also like this regressive counting like for Obrador, we're knowing that at this point and we have only a year and a half of his administration. So let's see what happened during the next also weeks, but also this Sunday that Morena, the party officially is going to give the requirements for the candidates, for the persons, the people who wants to be the next president. So this is, maybe we should talk a little bit about Sunday for the US audience specifically because this is internal party politics for Morena, how they're going to define campaign rules. Who runs and under what conditions? Is that correct? That's this coming Sunday, which is what the 11th. Yeah. There's a lot of expectations, Terry. Actually this Sunday we are all just waiting to see what's going to happen. Yeah. It seems like, I don't know if it's true or not, but it seems like all the media, you know, I don't trust that kind of media, but also close people, people close to the party to Morena, they're saying that maybe they, not only the cancer has to resign, but also the rest of the candidates. It was Mario Delgado, the president of Morena. He said that this Sunday, the National Council of Morena will discuss and approve the terms of the call to define the 2024 presidential candidate. He said that he's going to settle the dates and requirements for people, as I said, who wish to participate in this process. So he also said that maybe it's on the table the possibility, right, of resigning, requesting a license to be analyzed on this National Council on this Sunday. You know, we've been saying, I don't know how to translate this, you know, like the top of the, when you have a soda, so... Then we can pop the cap. Exactly. So we are all expecting what they're going to decide because basically you remember that, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, he said during the last year or more that the way that Morena have to decide the candidate for governors, for deputies, for the senators is the surveys, are the pools. So this, it was the only, I don't know also this Sunday, we're going to know what this kind of pools it's going to say at the beginning. We knew that they're going to call you and they're going to say, do you trust Marcelo Rard and Claudia Sheenbaum and Adam Augusto and Monreal and also... I mean, they're going to ask you if you like them, if you trust them, if you consider that they support women, if they support the LGBTQ agenda. I don't know of these kind of questions, but also this National Council that is going to take part this Sunday, they're going to decide if it's going to be just the one question, that who do you want to be your candidate? You know, who do you prefer? So I think it's better in my opinion to be honest, I never been into deciding who's going to be a candidate, but I feel like he, like Morena and also the president are taking a lot of measures, a lot of decisions to take care about the whole process. As I've been talking to you during months, it's not easy just to think what's next. You know, like after having these leaderships like Hugo Chavez, like Evo Morales in the region, and now with Andrés Manuel, that is a leader not only in Mexico, but in the whole continent. I think unity should prevail on these elections, the intern elections, but it's going to depend not only on the decisions on this Sunday, but also about the process, like political formation, the media outlets, like independent media outlets. So it's pretty important for me, for leftist people, I guess, for a lot of militants of the so-called for transformation, what's going to happen this Sunday and maybe next Monday we're going to know if they have to resign, Claudia Sheinbaum and Augusto Lopez and all of these candidates, the ones who will be the candidate or they're going to just keep in their places like in function. So let's see Terry this Sunday. Let's have a coffee. We may need more than caffeine on Sunday. I guess that a lot of people are going to just waiting for the announcements for these decisions next Sunday. This is fascinating for those of us outside of Mexico politics that what is going to be decided on Sunday is, well, I guess all political parties have their various processes for deciding who runs in it. The possibility of having all four major Morena presidential candidates resign their current positions, which leaves vacancies and very, very prominent, you know, a cabinet position in the secretary of foreign relations, exterior relations. The governor mayor, it's one city of Mexico is a state, so Claudia is the governor and mayor of Mexico City. So to vacate that position and Montreal's position, I mean, those are, you know, of course it allows other people to step up and be groomed for the future too, if that, but it also, I mean, I could see it, but also creating an even playing field for all of them to start campaigning. And there's a really good article that you and I were talking about earlier in El País. I'll put the link in the program notes for the audience. It's in Spanish, but you can translate it to English. And I think it was published yesterday, Alina, where it really lays out very clearly what López Ogrador's vision is going forward. It is, and if it plays out, it's brilliant. And I would say the biggest theme that he's looking is to not pass the baton to one anointed person, but to create a team of people who can continue the second phase of Obrador-Izmó or continue the fourth transformation, which we did almost a two-hour long talk a couple of months ago about what the fourth transformation is and why that so this team, he sees it necessary to build a team. I mean, it is, the strategy is really brilliant if it plan, you know, and extraordinarily responsible of him as an outgoing leader, extraordinarily responsible for attempting to preserve, I think in the article, this is the political current that has been created. I mean, nobody's him. It's like we were talking about. Nobody's Chavez, nobody's Rafael Correa, nobody's Evo Morales. So how do you, nobody's Lopez Obrador, but with a team of people, you could compensate for that, have strengths in multiple areas without this choker among, I'm the anointed one and you're not, which... What I'm really surprised is like how careful they're being in the process, you know, and specifically I'm real sure that it's the president, Lopez Obrador was taking, you know, the main role, taking care about this, being very careful of these next elections. And we may have political difference with every candidate with Claudia Sheinbaum, Marcelo Brard, ideologically or with their administrations, whatever. But the president decided to call a meeting days ago during the night. It was in a restaurant in downtown Zocalo. During the night they had dinner. He called the principal candidates and also members of the party and governors. And I think the decisions that they took during the last, during that dinner, that's what we're going to listen to next, during the next Sunday. That's why we are just so excited about listening what's next, what they're going to decide. In this meeting, I think that they talk about what could happen next, you know, like what happened if Sheinbaum, like Wayne, the presidency and Brard, because he has to leave. I don't think so. I think he has been a very, like brilliant chancellor and he has materialized the foreign policy that Ambul has been trying just to say every morning like, where are you going to support? Where are you going to support? And the chancellor has done it really, really good. That's made it amazingly. So this article that you're talking about, it says something like if Sheinbaum remains in the presidency, Brard would be an extraordinary political operator among legislators and if Brard is a successor, Sheinbaum would give him a legitimacy among the workers of the chamber. So they're trying just to figure out in this decision of what's next. If someone wants the presidency, we need the rest of the candidates to be part of this process. And it's something that, for example, after a coup, we don't see now in Bolivia. We see the fight between Nebo Morales and Lucho Arce and David Chukwanka, the vice president. So I think Amlu is pretty smart and he's thinking not in 20, 20, 40, he's thinking almost in 20, 30, you know, like he's just like thinking what's next after López Obrador. And it's a big question in the whole region, what's next after these big leaders that of course, as you said, they're not Nebo Morales. They're not Rafael Correa. They're not, you know, but someone has to take this leadership and go straight ahead. And specifically in this moment when we see and you know, that the U.S. is desperate like, what's going on actually in Latin America. The name of this problem, I bet that the White House and the State Department all the time by what the fuck is going on. Those Mexicanos, what are they doing now? But you know, really to they all, I mean, you know, the president is brilliant and he is looking at preserving his legacy and it's you know, we all say the fourth transformation is a 20-year project. It's not something one president in one six-year term and in Mexico, the Constitution only allows for the president to serve one six-year term. And so how do you ensure what your administration has begun to create? How do you ensure the continuation of it? And I think, you know, to pull all the major candidates in as a team and it's like, yes, it is important individually to become his president. How could it not be? You know, for a broad, this is a dream for decades for him and you can't blame him for that and he's been a compelling foreign minister and has the skill and the experience and they all do. They all have good resumes, they all have experience, they've all been groomed very well and the greater thing is, or what the president is expressing, the most important thing is to preserve the current political movement, the current political space that's been created and take it forward and it's going to take a team of people to do that and hopefully everybody will come out of Sunday's meeting believing that themselves. I'm sure they do. I mean because they've all been very loyal to creating the fourth transformation but individual politics are tough, you know, for all of us. It gets, you know, that's human nature and it's tough but this is something bigger than any person and so many of us have so much hope of Mexico right now in showing the rest of the hemisphere how to do this. Yeah, I totally agree Terri and listening to you I'm just thinking about what happened the last 20 years in the whole region and not only about the presidential succession, it's about the role of Venezuela during like the beginning of the 20s and now the role of Mexico and we have to remember that Pedro Castillo, former president of Peru, he was detained when he was going to the Mexican embassy a lot of people here in Mexico is now they got asylum after the traitor in Ecuador the treason of Lenin Moreno several people who are persecuted by its government they got asylum here in Mexico also after the coup of Evo Morales, a lot of Bolivian people are also here in Mexico City and now we are saying that this is a kind of oasis in the region about these kind of issues but also I'm thinking about the how important is not only the presidential candidate who's next it's also about people organizing themselves the role that Moreno has for example now Moreno has 3 million of people affiliated that it's a whole world in the region 3 million of people here in Mexico and 60% also the pools of these journals of this like El Universal who is media outlet from the opposition directly even they are saying Amlu has between 60 and 70% of approval now in this moment and also I'm thinking about what happened with the presidents in the region Evo Morales used to have also a lot of approval a lot of the people was supporting his government and the minimum details that you decided not to confront the right wing not to confront the leery they can make a coup so I think one of the challenges here is not only to decide who's next, who's the next candidate but also to see all of these people who support and who's making possible this government it's there are a million of people who every day now in this country are changing because of the president all the morning all the you know with this presidential conference in the morning every single morning at 7am he's on his twitter page with millions of people watching he's like the most popular thing at 7am on all of twitter in the whole twitter sphere it's just incredible two weeks ago or something like that there was this news saying that Amlu was the principal streamer in Spanish so millions of people not only in Mexico but the rest of the continent listen what's saying every morning and that's why not only because of this conference but also all of these social programs a lot of things people are changing you know of course there's a lot of people who says that Amlu is not a Marxist he's not a revolutionary he's not like you know like a real communist whatever but he didn't promise that kind of things and what he said he was a wellness state you know and he's trying to build it every single day I think it's not easy to live like this country we need to remember in 2006 we started a so called war on drugs that like starting in 2006 but nowadays we have more than 300 thousand people disappeared 300 people killed 300 thousand people killed so it's pretty complicated to be the president of this country and after that there's so many people who's trusting what is doing there's so many people who are organizing themselves we've seen the mobilizations during the last months the two I think one of the biggest mobilizations I've ever seen in my whole life supporting the president so things are totally changing and I'm really glad that the president even the next candidates of Morena who wants to be the next president they're being very careful in the process so let's see it's a little bit scary really exciting to describe what's going to happen next Sunday when we're going to know how we're going to decide who's the candidate of Morena for the next presidential elections it's the inevitable for the last six years everyone in Mexico has known has six years and it's almost hard to believe that six years is remaining 11 months the elections are generally it's almost impossible to believe but it is the inevitable so it is going to be really important how it is all initiated for the transition I hear from you and I just want to share with the audience for Alina she's a young female I don't know how old you are I shouldn't say that but you know half my age and so for her to go to mobilizations and various other political events here in Mexico City with her and have her say never in my lifetime did I think we would have a president like Amla never did I think young people would have a vision for their future you know in politics and education and the economy and so many things you know this is brings tears to my eyes sharing this because you are the future of the country and so for you to be feeling this to say never did you think that you were going to be born into a country with this sort of transformation it's really it's very powerful and so so important you know for me as an older person to see the future of this political process solidified and you know there's potentially a team you know a really solid team of four people that's going to come out of this meeting on Sunday that this Partido Morena meeting there could be a really really strong team that comes out of that meeting to take the country into this second phase of Overadorismo what am I saying that correct Obradorismo that's kind of hard lots of R's there yeah that's the challenge for the Overadorismo what to do for the next generations who didn't grow up as in the Chavismo in Venezuela as the revolution, the Cuban Revolution you know like now there are younger people that are growing now with the change they didn't grew up under the pre under the pan and that's the challenge for us as journalists as not so young people now you know when I see these 20 years of the guys just going and protesting and doing everything in support of this government it's just amazing it's like I feel a little bit older now but we're going to see during the next days during the next weeks if the four transformation is a real team for example in the case of the candidates we're going to see if they really have a relay in their own spaces if they have officials, people a team to be up to the moment and one of the challenges is how to deepen this process what to do for the next because I'm amazed by how things have changed for example me like I as a journalist I've been talking about Latin America for the last 10 years and no one listened to me you know in this country we were always just thinking about the north, about the US about Canada, about the like Europe and now people are just asking me for example in my case like what's going on in Peru what's going on in Venezuela is it real but it's dictatorship in this government and for me it's impressive because I've seen during the last 10 years that this big change for example the decisions about of the president of Latin America have changed the mentality of Mexicans you know when Evo was coming to Mexico to exile I remember that people were just shocked because they were asking me things like in the streets they were saying like how Amlo is capable to give asylum to a dictator and you know this kind of things but they were saying at the same time like no no Amlo wouldn't do that so Evo might not be a dictator so you know this kind of conclusions have changed a lot of things yesterday you know there was rally at the Colombian embassy there were I mean which I attended by the way yeah yeah so people now are going to this kind of events we at the national the political formation Institute of Morena where I work at in the international formation a lot of people are just coming to our events it doesn't matter if it's about the Sahara we republic or if it's about Latin America there's like I don't know if it's the beginning or it's just like a renewal of these processes of internationalism of Mexican left and I'm really happy about that I just think about how to deepen this process because it's not obviously it's not perfect we still have a lot of violence we still have a lot of feminicide the aggressions about against the against the the journalists for example you know like there are so many drug cartels still in this country there are so many relationship with these oligarchs the transnational capitals and that's why we I can I could give an explanation about the violence against the journalists and now and not this big narrative that the president is attacking the journalists and the media you know in that way for example in my case I wouldn't have to be under this mechanism of protection of journalists that I am in because I'm a leftist you know like people recognize me like the journalists that it's kind of hard but something is very critical of the poor transformation but I receive threats the threats last year so there is still a lot of these issues every day in Mexico and I think that that's the big challenge how to deepen this process against violence against the feminicide against the for example the role that the transnational has had in this country we have one third of our territory given to these transnational so we need to do that we need to deepen the for transformation some people say that we are ready for the 5th transformation don't let no stop I haven't finished this one yet yeah exactly we need another one we need to deepen this for deepen it and widen it for the audience you know a number of things that you have mentioned the resources given to transnational corporations the drug cartels the violence against journalists and women these are issues that existed long before AMLO became president and I think this to me personally looking this is why you know one president serving one constitutional six-year term cannot undo everything that he or she has inherited you know over the last 50 to 100 years not in any country it can't all be undone in one and certainly not in the peaceful manner what do I want to say in a constitutional manner through the legislative and electoral process it's going to take more than six years and again this is why it's going to be so important what comes out of Sunday is there a team prepared to take the fourth transformation forward to deepen it as you say to widen it and move forward because there is still a lot that has to be undone before you can move more forward but it's so exciting for you younger people or your aunt who was in college like when I was that never in a million years as college students would you ever in those days when we were in college seeing that Mexico like yourself would never have a government that you like you have know this is the government that my family fought for they of course are pretty happy and me as not that young person but I think I am still I am still young I think that it's impressive the change that we've seen during the last five years even when I've been so critical for example in terms of the migration policy for example that Mexico has that we're still deporting we're still treating really bad migrants and we are condemning all the time what the US is doing against us and we're like doing exactly the same not exactly but sometimes they have a lot of this kind of policies also I mean generationally talking of course I would love to I think it's pretty funny because during the last years I've been saying of course we need a feminist national movement that fight for women's rights that you know like sometimes I remember Amlo the time saying we are not machistas but we're not feminists you know we are humanists and it was like we're feminists but this year last March 8th for the first time he said I am feminist so of course March 8th was international March 8th was international yeah I said so you know so it's like of course we can change not only Amlo but the militants the left like the leftist people so there is a lot to do it's not I mean the for transformation I think it's the beginning when I say I all the time say like the 2024 elections it's not the way it's not the point that we are in to go it's just another kind of beginning of another kind of fight we're not going to have Amlo every morning in the national policy like the old the relationship with the media outlets and the oligarchy in this country and all of this stuff but of course we need to deepen the relationship with the social movements with the feminist movement with you know it was pretty good to me just to listen that during the week Amlo said something like the priorities for his government during the last year 2024 before the elections and he said of course about the infrastructure about Maya train about the airport you know all of this infrastructure that was kind of a symbol symbol of his administration also he said that he was going to deepen the social programs and like for example the like the like the youth building the future know the social programs a lot of programs for women for young people for the people older you know all of these programs he said that it's going to be a priority for him and also the wages and the working conditions for the workers state workers you know about wages about a lot of like a whole thing about the wellness for workers and I think he's doing really good you know in this thing he's not promising more things he promised he made 100 promises and now he has accomplished I think 98 or 99 something like that wow what president in the world right now can say that what president anywhere in the world right now can say that and you know it's more impressive because he made his promises before he knew that there was going to be a pandemic and a crisis in Ukraine and an international crisis economic crisis so it's impressive I don't know what he would have done if we didn't had a pandemic or something like that but he has done whatever he like what he can do of course I need I agree with some people from the left that says that we need to deepen this and I think the way to do it is just to be with people with political permission with independent media outlets with organizations in the neighborhoods in the schools in the universities also with mobilizations we've seen this week in Colombia people defending his government the government of Gustavo Petro what it seems to be for what it seems like a coup like a loafer it's the impression of loafer and I really believe that we can do that here in Mexico we need to start creating conditions for the post-amlo era in this country mobilizing organizing and just creating these debates with the people for the people you know let's see what's next I have three things I want you to talk about quickly before we let you go I know you've got and where you're going is one of the things I want to talk about but you mentioned earlier about Mexican citizens stopping you on the street and asking why is Abel Morales coming here and that there seems to be this greater awareness from those days to which was what fall of 2019 to today literally today Alina I really feel it's due to work like you and your peers but also that omlo's message of integration regional integration every single day in one form or another it's affecting that philosophy and making it possible and I'll first and foremost by reconvening the Salax Summit here in Mexico City September of 2021 integration integration integration and people can interpret that on many many levels so it spills out across the political spectrum because integration can mean economic and trade integration it can mean social integration it can mean integration in foreign policy foreign affairs on many many level cultural integration so it's something that a broad you know a percentage of society can relate to and I really think that that is so important in his message and I think that I think he really has created that an evolution among the Mexican Mexican citizenship to see you know yourselves as part of greater Latin America and the Caribbean and the need for that it's huge I think yeah I totally agree people now are aware that we are more Latin American that part of the north probably so we are pretty proud of that I remember even when I was in the university 10 years ago I studied international affairs and like my colleagues my students were saying all the time but what about what about the I don't know the relationship with the US with Canada, with Europe all of them wanted to be ambassadors and now I recognize that several people now in the streets are talking and for example even the meetings of the CELAC that people didn't know that existed used to exist people were just streaming the meetings they were watching in real time what I remember was saying to Nicolás Maduro and to Bichuarse and all of these things people didn't do that 10 years ago it's just pretty new to be part of Latin America in this kind of way because there has been a lot of solidarity of course even with the pre with the exile people with the people that were victims of dictatorships during the 60s and 70s in Latin America but this is pretty new because now you listen a president that every week every two weeks every other week he's always asking the US to stop the blockade against Cuba he's condemning the dictatorship and now in Peru and he decided to stop relationships during the coup in Bolivia against Evo Morales you know all of these issues it's just extremely important but also the foreign policy in Mexico has changed dramatically you know Terry we met at Washington DC where I was corresponding for Tel Aviv and we we've been there we were there in 2019 when Juan Guaidó started to you know this issue with the coup in Venezuela all of this and I remember that the ambassador of Mexico to the OAS was all the time putting a lot of pressure against Venezuela just making friends with the government of Colombia with Michael Peo at that time and remember that and the ambassador of Mexico were the ones who all the time were saying we need to go against Venezuela you know all this issue and now we're doing the US's work for them completely integrated with the which is not the case now yeah totally it is not I remember our ambassador was also our counselor Luis de Garay at that moment with Enrique Peña Nieto they were the the one who were leading this process of creating the group of Lima they were now we are totally another episode of our life and our foreign policy and we are just listening to the president as a policy now is Mexico first Mexico and her people first yeah totally not second to the US first and Oma was really really clear about that and I've mentioned this to the audience multiple times and you and I have talked about it you know in detail that discourse that he gave on July 28 July of 2021 for the anniversary of Simón Bolívar's birth when he said we need regional institutions you know where countries sit equally at a table where you're an America for all Americans and a Mexico for all Mexicanos it's you know you're your own sovereign nation and he has really really articulated that probably except for a very small portion of the wealthy business class here in Mexico it's certainly something that everyone can identify with he's really he's really brought that back you know that sense of sovereignty not sense the reality of next week's sovereignty yeah this was this is part of our constitution you know it's not just like an invention of AMLO in our Mexican constitution now AMLO retakes what the constitution is called of sovereignty of people self-determination peaceful resolution of conflict we used to forget around the last years with Enrique Peña Nieto, Vicente Pox, Felipe Calderón they totally forgot that this existed and they started just to lead this whole intervention against Cuba, against Venezuela against Devo Morales against everyone I know what I was saying with our ambassador at the OAS after having this hyper I don't know how to even say it like this kind of people in our representation now our actual ambassador of Mexico to the U.S. now he's telling in his face of Alma Mater's face that he's a hypocritical he's a cynical you know in his face at the heart the OAS just blocks away from the White House and it's amazing, something's changing and it has to be it's totally related to the political AMLO in the region we remember weeks ago he made a poll to organize regionally against the economic crisis and inflation he got COVID and that's why they didn't made it but I guess that next week or something like that I don't know if he's traveling to Bogotá to the meeting in person with Gustavo Petro I know that Gustavo Petro actually is traveling I don't know if today or tomorrow over to Cuba for the peace processes with the dialogues with the ELN but also AMLO is gonna have a meeting with Argentina, with Brazil with Colombia to make something with this economic crisis and we are now I really think that a new integration is possible we had this a lot, we had Iunasur at some point but now we have AMLO we have Lula, we have Petro so let's see for next year what's next and so let's talk about what's next for you because you mentioned how the important role of independent journalism here in Mexico are you throughout Latin America and the Caribbean it's been crucial even in the States but you have a new project that you're heading off to I see somebody trying to call you off let's talk about let's talk really quick about your new independent journalism project I have Alina included links to all of the social media and YouTube accounts for your new project those are all in the program notes for the audience so and they can find you on social media too so well thank you so much we're launching a new media outlet let's see how it goes as the meeting of the next Sunday let's see how it goes also with our new media outlet it is cool from the root in Spanish the raíz it is a new project that it pretends to be radical that's why it is cool from the root that's the meaning like grassroots being radical that's what we need so it started with the idea we had a meeting with Pablo Iglesias from Podemos in Spain and they're launching their own media outlet called canal red so they asked us to have a program on them a podcast about what's going on in Mexico so we started creating that it is called en re it doesn't have like a real meaning it's just like the beginning of phrases like in revolution in re-structuration like this kind of issue so that's the same in Spanish like en re and now we're launching a whole media outlet that it's going to start next Monday so I'm going to send you the links to the new page we're going to have I promise that we're going to have analysis of the situation of Mexico specifically the conclusions of all of this discussion that we just had today Terry that's the role that we pretend that has this media outlet so we're going to have this podcast every week with canal red of Pablo Iglesias but also we're going to have programs we're trying to create a specific section I hope to have it also Monday we have certain analysis in English so people from your audience can just watch what's the most relevant news on the on the week or even on the day so I hope we can success on making these debates possible this another kind of information because even when we have a lot of YouTube channels here in Mexico for example I work at also millions of people just watch these kind of programs we need more more analysis more debate the corporate media in Mexico is just amazing 11 families controls the media here in this country so we are pretending to give a fight a battle just in the last the last year of the first administration of the police more in Mexico but also we are ready to defy the communication fight during the next years excellent I'm so happy for you this is really an exciting project that you've taken on and I'm really really happy and we will be sure to watch you and I'll be sure to share all the links with the WTF audience because it's just one more place to find real news people what's really going on outside the corporate narrative so thank you Alina I'm so happy you had time for us today and it's just so wonderful to see you and talk with you I really I just really value the time that I can spend with you so thank you so much always for your support you've been very supporting for me all the time since we met in Washington during the coup in Venezuela I consider you a real close friend and really I don't know how to thank all the support to give to me all the time so thanks for having me again here in WTF thank you so much so it's a good team it's a good team so for the audience I want to just remind you all you've been watching what the F is going on in Latin America in the Caribbean we're a popular resistance podcast we broadcast on youtube live every Thursday 7 30pm eastern you can find us on the channels for the convo couch code pink and popular resistance post broadcast recordings can be found at Apple 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