 But that's, that's the confusion. When I talk about intuitive and people, some people get mad. What do you mean intuitive? Like, you have to track and do a lot of stuff because nobody knows, you know, you know, it's not instinct, obviously. Our intuition is based off of our limited knowledge and experience and awareness. So if you expand your knowledge, expand your awareness, expand all those things and work on them, that's what intuitive eating really is. We're not, we're not animals that we are born and instinctually we know how to eat in a balanced way. It doesn't work that way. Oh, another big giveaway. I'm going to do the Super Bundle again. Yep. I know. Sounds like I lost my mind, but here's why. It's because we have a huge sale going on. More about that later. Here's the Super Bundle. It's MAPS Endabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, MAPS Prime, and what's the other pro, MAPS Anywhere. There you go. Five MAPS programs all in the Super Bundle. You can get them free. 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Yes, we don't instinctively just know how to eat healthy or whatever. Building intuition in the way that we talk about with intuitive eating really involves a process of learning how to read your body, learning what's in food, learning the total values of food and how your cravings happen and what's causing cravings and why you eat the way you do, type of deal. And through that process, you develop this, you know, for lack of a better term intuition with food in the sense that you eat in a more balanced way. So sometimes eating a slice of pizza is healthy because at the moment you're feeding other things besides your physical health, like maybe you're connecting with your friends or you just want to enjoy the evening with your wife. But most of the time you probably eat in a way that feeds your physical body in a healthy way, but the balance happens there. But you have to be properly informed and work through the process before you can get there. It's not instinctive. It's like the education first to be able to base that off of otherwise you may just be tricking yourself and it's all cravings that you're really like seeking out. Exactly. In other words, if you're instinct suck, you have no business doing this. Yeah. Okay. If you're doing intuitive eating and you don't understand, you know, what foods contain proteins, fats and carbohydrates, right? You don't understand how foods affect you entirely, like how it affects your moods and your energy, not just fat loss or weight gain or any of that stuff. How your cravings get triggered? Do I tend to eat when I'm depressed or sad or how do I use food in ways that maybe doesn't serve me? Like if you don't know any of that, you don't do that work? Well, yeah, now intuitive eating is based off of what you know about food, which most people really know about food. What tastes good, what's convenient, and that's it. And you end up with the problem that we have now. Well, it's a great place to end up. Like it's sort of the pinnacle of all of the knowledge that you're going to acquire going through the laborious process of pain attention. Like reading labels, you know, tracking calories, understanding macronutrients and like all of that work will lead into eventually not needing to be as like completely attention to detail unless you have very specific goals, which again, this is something you always want to go back to and refer to that to education. I really don't think most people belong here, at least not yet. No. I mean, I like to think 20 years of doing this, I'd like to think I'm a black belt in nutrition, right, as far as especially with my own body. Compared to the average person you are. Right. I like to think that. But I find it necessary that I even revisit tracking and weighing and measuring and getting back to that every once in a while just to kind of recalibrate. Because here's the thing that you have to keep in mind. Okay, so say you like you've figured out all these different signals and you've learned about your body and you've tracked long enough you know what macros are like you you're at a place where you you're a black belt so you believe that I'm ready for intuitive eating. But then your job changes, you know, or you've aged quite a bit or your training is different, you're no longer training seven days a week you're training more like a father or your goals are different. Once you start changing all those major variables, you kind of have to go back and recalibrate again. A little bit right but what sticks with you is, you know what tends to make you feel good, what tends to make you feel bad. How you how you use food to medicate for example a lot of people are not aware that they use food in ways to medicate or distract. You see lots of people do the whole diet and then binge model afterwards like why does that happen. And people oh I just you know I don't know I'm so hungry right not understanding cravings for example. And the problem is is that you know when you're you grow up in these wealthy societies, you learn to value food really for a couple different things like how good does it taste. And how convenient is it when you ask anybody you know when you're with your friends and you say hey what do we get for lunch. What are you thinking about what's going to taste good what sounds the most fun. Most people even know what real hunger feels like because they've never gone for more than a day without food and so what they think hunger is is cravings. And so yes from that standpoint intuitive eating would never work because intuitive eating is what people do all the time in America and it's making people it's not working super obese. But if you want to develop a sense of balance to where you can enjoy the occasional glass of wine or the occasional dessert or for the most part you eat in a way that's maybe you know considered classically healthy but you feel good about it. It's what you want to do you don't feel like you're restricting you don't feel like you're oppressing yourself you're not doing it from a self hate position. Well that's that's what intuitive eating basically means it's it's stress free. It's a balanced way of living and yeah you're not going to eat and now you're not going to get 4% body fat with that. You're not going to become a top level you know bodybuilder or performance athlete with that when you get to that level. You know being balanced isn't doesn't work being 4% body fat's not balanced. At that point you got to get a little crazy and follow the numbers and ignore the fact that you're probably not doing things that are healthy right like like eating too few calories are working out. Quite a bit but that's that's the confusion when I talk about intuitive in people. Some people get mad what do you mean intuitive like you have to track and do a lot of stuff because nobody knows you know you know it's not instinct obviously our intuition is based off of our limited knowledge and experience and awareness. So if you expand your knowledge expand your awareness expand all those things and work on them and you develop something that's more balanced the point where like I'll give you guys an example. I never liked vegetables never as a kid it was most kids don't like vegetables I hated them they weren't great. But through this process I identified that well cooked vegetables really were beneficial for my gut health I've on and off dealt with gut health issues for a long time. And I identified like man this really helps my gut health and what happened through this process is that when my gut is off what I crave is vegetables I literally crave well cooked vegetables that doesn't mean they taste as good as pizza. But I enjoy eating them just the same because I understand the true value. So that's what that that's what intuitive eating or the way we talk about at least that's what similar experience I mean you have to build those associations that this is good for me in a different way than these other foods I naturally tend to gravitate towards. So I have to go outside my covered zone because I know that this is helping my body become more healthy and therefore you know I'm putting a different association to it as I go to eat it which then. Eventually kind of train yourself and your palate to enjoy that because you know the benefits from it. Oh yeah. You know it's an interesting dance for somebody who is who's kind of just getting started on their journey. Of course. And they have no idea. Right and they see the obsessive fitness person who is weighing and tracking and you know and they're like I don't want that. No. So this this intuitive eating thing sounds so much more like where I want to be. But the truth is you come in and you say you want to lose 30 pounds or whatever. I don't I come from a camp or a belief that ideally I want to I want this person to track way and measure on on our way to their goal. Of course. And during that process I want to help them make those associations that Justin was saying like not just oh the scales going down. But how did you feel when we ate this way yesterday. Did you notice that your digestion was better. Did you notice your stool was better. That's the awareness part right. Right. Did you notice did you notice your energy level and and while we're we're tracking and we're being consistent as a coach. I'm asking these questions to help them make that connection so that now when they reach their goal I can remind them. Right now we're going to remove these you know scales and trackers and get away from that and let's try and really listen to your body. And because we've done that journey of being very diligent about what we're consuming and paying attention to it and being consistent to get to your goal. That person I feel is better prepared than somebody who comes in and says I want to lose three pounds but I don't want to be like those fitness people that count and track and stuff like that. Well it's like saying this it's like saying I've never played basketball before. But I want to I want to know how to do a layup and I want to know the positions of the players and I want to know how to move in a particular way if I grab the ball. Okay well first you're going to have to learn step by step basics right like we you know you guys played sports I did martial arts like I remember learning judo as a kid. I had to think about everything I had to do I had to think about my foot position and the coach would get behind me and no your foot goes here turn your foot that way move your hips this way this is where they're off balance. And for the first year it was just like awkward I had to think about it eventually though it became intuitive eventually I sensed their balance I sensed when a particular throw would work. And this is I mean athletes will tell us all the time like you take a baseball player and they the balls coming at them they instinctively or I or intuitively know how to jump and move to catch the ball. Well that's not going to happen right out the gates right out the gates you have to learn to step by step basics all the steps the mechanics the way that you hold your body position but then it's the reps. The continual reps that then eventually embeds itself in your subconscious so that way you've done it enough times where it's like you can actually start to navigate. And make those good decisions because you've put all of those reps into where it's like it's something that's just like part of your formula 100% and it becomes more stress free and you know this is when you hear people say things like. Yeah I stopped that diet because I just want to enjoy my life very strange thing to say right or here come from someone who's in the fitness space it's like. You stopped eating right so you can enjoy your life like that's weird because I know how much proper nutrition and all the data will back me up how much that improves the quality of your life. In its entirety. Why was it that you felt the need to stop to improve the quality of life well you're in a you were in it was a stressful situation for you. You were restricting you were this wasn't a natural way to be. So that's what intuitive eating really is but it's not we're not animals that we are born and instinctually we know how to eat in a balanced way doesn't work that way. In fact we've learned how to do it the wrong way for so long that this is a bit of a work bit of a process. This is this conversations remind me of I fit it last night I finished the Ricky Gervais stand up man. Oh man. He went hard. Oh God he went so hard. So good though. So good. Yeah he did the obese one was was rough dude like he went after it for a minute. I thought oh my God he's going to offend so many people. I can't it's only been out with a jugular 24 hours or whatever right now. So I mean as of the airing of this it's probably been two or three days right but I can't wait to see if there's backlash. I think you said it that you know when Netflix came out with that statement like a couple weeks ago was in preparation for him. It was totally in preparation for that. I mean as he's doing his thing there must have been at least five or six different skits where he's like well this ain't going to make the special. Yeah. You know can I can I just I think I've said this before I want to just really hammer like why I respect and value comedians so much people don't realize this but it's true. Comedians do more for our free speech are right for free speech than almost than anybody else they do it more than the media. Definitely they do it more than than politicians for sure. Why because first off they push the limit but second and this is what's brilliant about comedy because it's it's covered in humor and it makes people laugh. They can get away with it like if Ricky Gervais was up there making statements. Yeah. People. Yeah. Nobody would really receive that well. Yeah. We need comedians so bad. And there was that what was that old saying like the if you know the king has gone mad if he kills the gesture. That's when he's gone crazy when they start to kill the funny gesture right. Yeah. So I appreciate. Well it honestly felt like let's say we get in a time machine we go like five 10 years back like probably 10 years at this point based on where our culture is today. But just to sit and listen it was like it really felt like it was nothing changed in his delivery of every other special I've seen from him. And it's weird that like you're like oh wow it's really brave. Yeah. Like it's just like who he's just been consistent. Yeah. And I know Bill Maher kind of talked about this a bit too. It's like while everybody else changes in tips more to the extremes like I've just said the same thing over and over again. And it's like I'm not going to change my value system just because the world's changing. Well I think I get excited when I see it because there wasn't just not that long ago where even the comedians I know weren't saying anything. So saying I thought it was rough. Now that and I really feel like you know Chappelle opened that door for a lot of people right. And now we're starting to see him like more and more of these the stand-ups. Oh it seems like everyone that comes out it's like they're trying to see who can go harder. Yeah. So they're starting to push which excites me because I feel like what we went and I've been saying this on the podcast now for several years that you know I have faith in humanity that will come back. It balances way back. Yeah. I think I think we were due for a correction in a lot of areas. And I think that we over corrected and we've seen that over correction for maybe the last five years. It's gotten a little crazy. And I now think that like okay when the comedians start like sit up. This is a little ridiculous now. So I feel like that's the beginning of like okay now we're going to start. You know what I'm hearing from people in education is that this new generation of kids coming up. I think you might even said this to Adam that they're not like the millennials were the ones after. They're more like us. They're rebelling against that. And that's a great time. That's the cool thing about teenagers is they're just going to rebel against the recent thing right. The recent thing is like stupid like oh cool. Let the new kids come in and the rebel against that too. Well just think about how overbearing and restrictive it is like they're like all of that. Like of course there's going to be rebellious kids that are like don't tell me what I have what I can and can't say. Like that's just been the theme of teenage angst forever. You know so it's just inevitable that the more that you try to really stuff and suppress speech in any direction. You're going to get backlash. Speaking of like you know when you talk about I was thinking about when I was a kid or when I was younger. So although I was I think it was in my 20s. How when did the first jackass series come out? Do you guys remember was that like early 2000? It was after high school for me. So it was after high school late 90s or or yeah. That was 2000. So we were like in our 20s early 20s. So I mean I fondly I have fond memories of the first jackass you know the series when it was MTV and I just watched 4.5. I know you brought this back. Yeah. What did you think? That's there's a lot of a lot of a lot of dick stuff and butthole stuff like they they did they open it up by doing a hot sauce enema. Yeah. With a bunch of guys. Yeah. They just pour hot sauce like directly and the funny thing is is like they don't have like nurses like put they're doing it to each other. Yeah. Like that's a little too far buddy. Oh yeah. But it was it was it was it was funny it was watching these old guys do this kind of stuff. I'm like man I part of me respects them part of me is like dude you guys. That was 4.5. So that's like the extended like scenes. So I think that's different. Oh really? Because I watched the movie was like Jagas 4 or whatever. Oh OK. It was on Netflix. Yeah. I haven't actually watched that one yet. But they opened it up with like. Godzilla. Chris Pontius. Yeah. We had the Godzilla he just turned his dick into Godzilla. Oh my god. It was like smashing buildings and things like. Yeah. He was so crazy. No. So no it didn't open this. Yeah. What I saw the opening is what Justin said is like the first like 5-10 minutes is literally like a Godzilla dick. You just see him laying like this and then they put like. They paint his dick in balls green. Yeah. They just they just put like his whole city on top of him. They pump it master right. They got strings to it. So it's like. Doug's hating this right now. Hey Doug. Hey it's a movie. Well Doug I'm with you. You know I've never I was never a big jackass. Really? Yeah I watched it all. You've been in your early 20s. It's just I don't know. I mean okay. As a as a kid in high school that was it was popular to do the crazy stuff. I think we've talked off air before about all the things eating ants and guys would do you know eat horseshit and do weird stuff like I mean that was there was always someone ate horseshit. Yeah. The guy put it in someone. I think I gave him 50 bucks. To do it. That's pretty low. You put it like a jack-in-the-box biscuit dude. No he didn't. You just so. Legend. Yeah. Buddy of mine right. So there. I was never that guy. I was just. Me neither. Yeah I wouldn't do it. I thought it was crazy. I don't want to be cool that bad. Yeah. I thought it was crazy to watch people do it. So I wasn't drawn to it though. It was like whatever. So when the jack-ass thing came around. I mean it hooked me enough to watch it but I just I don't get off. No I used to die laughing. But you know which one used to kill me. Remember when they hooked up the massive. It looked like a big hand. But like if it hit you it would like knock you out. Yeah. And there was like people come around the wall just coming to work. Hey what's up guys. Boom. But it would knock. Hilarious. Yeah. Absolutely hilarious. Yeah. There was that one guy. I don't know his name is but he's the missing tooth. And in the version that I watched they're interviewing them. Also. And he's like. I guess they did a scene in one of the previous jack-asses where. They were all in a room. They shut the lights off so it's pitch black. The rest in the movie. The rest of the guys come in there. Wearing night vision goggles. So they couldn't see them. Yeah. And they just get the shit beat out of them. Yeah. And it was like 30 minutes long. In the dark and he couldn't escape. And I literally got. He goes I actually got PTSD from that. Yeah. I get all of them have had a form of it. Well remember they had the snake too in there. Yeah. So remember right before they threw the lights out. They showed them the big old snake they got in the basket. And then they knocked the basket over. Yeah. And they threw the lights out. And then they had like stuffed animal snakes where they would be like. Yeah. Throwing it on them. Throwing it. Yeah. So they just terrorized them. This is the reason why I never got into prank wars with my friends. Because I know what happens. And then the rest of the school year. You're looking over your shoulder. Oh yeah. You're looking over your shoulder. You're like what. Okay. Those always ended in a fight. Like that. That happened at my school all the time. Like that we would get. Someone just went too far. Yeah. Someone go too far and then like destroy property or something. I mean I got into a fight over one time. I remember the guys thought it would be funny. And I was this is when I had just got my car. And I was parking it. And someone thought it would be cool to shoot paintballs at it. At your car. Yeah. Dude. That's not funny. That's terrible. It's not funny bro. But I did was funny. That's not funny. So it always ends like that. Suddenly a couple of good funny ones back and forth. And then someone decides to do something. Just a mean dumb thing. Yeah. Oh no. The one that where it stopped. Because I stopped it. But it was a wedgie war. So I don't know how it started. But it started at the beginning of the year. So this ended up going on all year. Yeah. Where randomly you got behind your buddy. And you'd give him a hard wedgie. Yeah. Well I wasn't in it. I told everybody I'm not playing. Good. Don't do this to me. Okay. Morning everybody. Well anyway. Sure enough. Halfway through the school year. My buddy gives me it like a gnarly wedgie. Yeah. So I literally waited. I'm like I'm going to wait like a month. So he doesn't. And I. I remember I was working out since I was 14. So this is like senior year. So I'm like 18. I'm relatively strong at this point. Yeah. And I clean impressed him by his underwear. I literally clean impressed and he fell forward. Underwards ripped off. Yeah. So I had his underwear in my hand. I did that to my brother. That was it. It was over. Covered. Wagoned him. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. See I feel like that you guys are a little bit older. Because what was popular when I was a kid was pantsing. Pantsing was way more. We did that too. Yeah. But that would get you in a fight for sure. Because that's like. Oh man. You're exposed me. You can't do that anymore of course. Oh god no. They see that all the time. I mean it was the best if you're in front of a bunch of girls and you get your buddy. You know and leave them. That'll get you arrested now. It was the same. It was also popular to be go commando when we were in school at the same time. Yeah. So if you pants someone with commando. Yeah. So that was super popular. If you did that now you probably would go to jail. I think right. Would you go to jail? I don't know. Yeah. Expelled. If you pantsed. If a kid pants another his friend today and you went full naked in front of a bunch of girls. They would get expelled. Really? Well yeah that's sexual harassment. You can't see that. You can't do that dude. Wow. I know man. Hey did you see what happened with the Elon Musk sexual harassment thing? Oh that was a you know. So I don't know too much about it. I know that they settled for a quarter million dollars. Yeah I saw that. And basically it's like look when people come after large corporations or billionaires often times to save money and time there's like settle. Here's the money. So that's what he was saying. Now he said something interesting though. He said if he's denied he's like this is baloney and he goes if this really happened then tell me a distinctive like. Like to scribe like some like super. Characteristic. Yes. I don't know if he has a birthmark or something. But he said well then see if you can describe something about me that only you would know. Which I thought was brilliant. That's a really smart. I mean even if there wasn't that's a brilliant play. That's a brilliant play. You have this an average looking dick. He's like it's really weird. Oh yeah. You saw it huh. Well tell me what's different about it. Justin tell me what's different about my dick. It's upside down. It's really weird. I'll move on. I'll move on to a light subject. Let's talk about monkey pox. I didn't even know where this came from. Hey I didn't even know that was a thing until. It's not a thing. There's like a hundred and something people in the world with it right. Like that. I've seen it. So it's not like this big thing. It spreads through. It sounds like an elementary school. I saw Vicky. Vicky. He's something that's supposed to be. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be. I saw Vicky. Vicky. He's something that's supposed to be off the chain. She did what I said. I'm just going to come out and say it early. That I'm against the jab. Well it's like a hundred and something people. So it's not like it's this crazy thing. And it's not super virulent. I think you have to have close contact. And I read an article that said that they think it started in two raves in Europe. So I guess it was a couple raves. And some dudes. Naturally. Some dudes got it from each other or whatever. Okay. But it's not. I mean from what I read it's not a super deadly disease. Kind of sucks. Obviously it looks bad. What does it look like? I mean you get like rash lumps. Big ass pox dude. Wow. Yeah. It doesn't look good at all. Yeah. You don't want no monkey pox. Although at least you know when someone has it. If they have it like that. It's all visible. Yeah. Well that's at the end. I think that's at the end of the virus. You get that. But it is funny how the fear gets stirred up now. So quickly with like viruses and stuff. Cause it's getting like if you Google monkey pox. There's like tons of mainstream articles. Wow. And there's only that many cases. Maybe Doug can look up how many total cases. But it was like a hundred something. You know in the world. That's what it looks like. Ooh. Yeah. Ouch. You don't want a bunch of monkey pox. Well yeah. What's the case count? Yeah. Look up total monkey like monkey pox. Okay. He looked up images. Yeah. So where are we at with COVID? I mean we're still seeing. That's so last year. I thought so. But I heard there's it's spiking again. Yeah. There's cases. Yeah. It's endemic. So it's up and down. It's not nearly as deadly as it was. What do you got from me Doug? So as of yesterday. 90 confirmed cases. Oh my God. 28 suspected ones. Okay. So a grand total of 118 total cases. Yeah. Out of here with the fear. Yeah. Oh that's hilarious. That's unfortunate for those 98 people. Yeah. I don't want no monkey pox. That's crazy though. I didn't even know it was a thing. And then I made that post about me being in the airport and being sick. Well so this is there's also this like, you know, this whole conspiracy thing, right? So who is it? The World Health Organization that I think it was them that either them or the World Economic Forum, one of the ones that everybody talks about with. Yeah. It was W.H.O. They came out and they were going to talk about potential monkey pox out before anything happened. Like how would we handle it? And we have vaccines. And then so then the conspiracy theory is that they, they'll tell you what's going to happen. Doing like a dry run or something. Yeah. Planning it all out before. I know. Because now we see it. Well, because before COVID, there was this whole like, I guess convention and stuff. And they said, oh, potential, what if a coronavirus came out and caused all these problems? And then COVID happened. So now they're like, you're going to do this again. They're going to talk about a virus. Yeah. It's going to happen. Sort of prepping us off. Yeah. They're going to talk about the pox. Anyway, more good news. You guys hear about Hyundai. They're doing a recall on a bunch of cars, like 22,000. What happened? This sucks. I guess some of the seatbelts explode. That's a little problematic. Yeah. So on a car accident, I guess part of the seatbelt, I don't know where to attach it explodes and then shrapnel. Wow. Yeah. So shrapnel from it comes out and can hurt people. So I don't know. I think it's like 22,000 or something like that. No, 239,000. Oh, even more 239,000. Dang. How does that make its way? Did you guys know how recalls are calculated by the way? What do you mean by like as far as like? So they have, so these car manufacturers have departments where they do these risk assessments. Yeah. And what they look at is, okay, the cost of the recall. Yeah. Compare that to the cost of the potential lawsuits or the cost of the potential public outcry. Right. And then if, you know, the recall is more expensive, we're not going to do the recall. If it's less expensive, then we'll do the recall. You know what I mean? Just weigh it out. I mean, the truth is, I mean, how else do you, how else do you decide something like that as a business? You know? I mean, ethically, you would like to think that they always like are worried about the, but there's always going to be a safety issue, right? Like no car is 100% safe in every single accident. So there is always some sort of a risk somewhere in the design of the vehicle. And so it's just risk assessment or risk management, right? So it's just, there's no other way you actually probably would do that. It just sounds really bad when you say that, right? Like when you say it like that, it's just like, well, you know, we'll only kill about probably, I don't know, 150 people, which is down from last year. Yeah. So go ahead and roll with it. You don't say that sounds horrible. How many car brands have like imploded because of this? Because like, I want to think that, was it Corvair or one of those old car brands that like the engine was in the back and then would anytime somebody would slam into it, like it would explode. You know, that was, I think it was the Pinto. That was the problem. But you know, that was a myth. It was a myth. Really? Didn't actually, they didn't explode. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've watched Mythbusters and the engines don't really explode. No, like in movies, whenever they shoot a gun at it. You know what else doesn't happen? I learned from Mythbusters. You cannot throw a cigarette and gasoline and blow up anything. It just, just a catch fire. It just goes, it goes out, puts the cigarette out. The liquid puts the cigarette out. You can go test that? No, I have half. Oh, you have? What? Yeah, of course. Do you watch Mythbusters and you tested it? Yeah. No, we absolutely have done it. It's totally, it totally does not work. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I did do it at a gas station to blow something up. All you have to do is be on a bonfire, have some gasoline on it, then throw a cigarette on it and it won't do it or a joint. Really? Yeah. You've done that? Yeah. What does that mean? I'd be too scared to do that. We're going to light it anyways, trying to light it with. So in the movies, whenever there's gas. Throw it and if it's still liquid, it just puts it out. Yeah. What? Yeah, it does not light it. So you need more. You need a flame. You need an actual flame. The charcoal from the cigarette will not ignite. Oh wow. Yeah. Because it's the actual gases from the gas that ignites. It's not the liquid itself. Right. So the cigarette butt hitting, hitting the liquid puts the, puts the coal out. So you need a flame to ignite the fumes that are coming off from the gas that actually ignite the gas. Weird. But in movies, I mean they still do it. It's still, they still do it today, which all cracks me up with that. That's been out and they've busted that a long time ago, but yet you still will see a new movie come out and the guy will. Yeah. Walk away really slow. Dude, I had a buddy whose dad was in the military. Okay. And he, I used to hate watching like, like war movies or anything like that with him because he would always call out everything in there that was stupid. So like, he's a predator. Like he's got the rock, you know, the grenade launcher and he's like, grenades don't explode like that. That's not how it works. It's not that big. You know, you watch movies like Rambo. Yeah. Where he throws a grenade in the building and blows up the whole building. He's like, no, it doesn't do that. That's funny because I was thinking about that because I was going to top gun, huh? Yeah. And you talked to all the pilots. I saw all the pilots. Yeah. Don't let them ruin it for you, bro. Thunderbird pilots, you know, and apparently they liked it. This is entertaining, but of course it's like not even close to being realistic and I'm like, yeah, it's Hollywood. You know, like they're going to do like stunts that you just, you wouldn't do or like they're going to add CGI to things to kind of really enhance it. But I mean, from what it looked like, I think that there was a lot of time that the actors had to spend at least in the cockpit and then they had like cameras on the inside. And so a lot of the perspective is like, as much of the audience feels like they're in the cockpit this time than just being kind of a cheesy model, like one on top of the other. I mean, considering how old Top Gun is, I actually thought they did a, I rewatched it the other day. And normally when you watch a movie like in the 80s, You watched it again. I did, dude. Dude, it's a great movie. It's a great movie. I was never a fan. I'm excited about it. Man, never a big fan. The romance part, maybe? Huh? You're not a big fan of the romance part? No. What is it? I mean, it's no Rocky. I wouldn't put it in that category. Dude, it's the best romance movie of all time. Whoa. Whoa. Top Gun is a better romance movie than Rocky. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah, start this debate. No. Not even close. Oh my God, it is. What are you talking about? So much better. The whole story behind Rocky is him. He's singing a bar for her, bro. It's way better, dude. Oh my God. Yes, dude. Rocky, I think did Top Gun win any awards? No. I have no idea. Damn things. Actually, he probably did pull it up. Top Gun had to have won awards. Special effects or something. Come on. It won the hearts of the world. My point of bringing it up. My point of bringing it up. My point of bringing it up is a movie that requires special effects, like fighter pilots and crazy shit like that. You know that obviously they couldn't do a lot of the things that they pretended to do in that movie. It's when you look back on a movie that's 20 years old and you watch it and you're like, oh my God. Yeah, but it's not. They did a pretty good job. Did you know that movies that depict military weapons or whatever, you can get funding. Yeah. From the U.S. government. They have to approve obviously what you're doing because it serves as Sure, a promotion. Propaganda. Yeah, of course. Did Rambo get... I sounded a little extreme. Well, I mean, First Blood is a Vietnam vet that loses a shit and starts a war with the whole town. I'm pretty sure the government didn't support that. Hey, just did you start, did you start watching Halo yet? I haven't started watching Halo yet. I'm kind of into it. Somebody said it was good. I would like to watch it. Wait, Halo, they said based off the video game. Yeah. Okay, so you're the third person. I heard someone post it and I thought, I thought maybe it was a movie. Then I saw it was a series. I'm like, let me check it out. It sucked me in. Did you play the video game? Yeah, I did. So maybe that's why, right? Because I played the video game a little bit. I mean, it's definitely sci-fi. What is it on? No, I'll check it out. It is on Paramount, I think. What the hell is Paramount? Paramount. Amazon. You could buy it individually probably on Amazon. Oh, okay. So if you have Amazon, you can buy Paramount movies. Or if you have Paramount, you obviously get it for free. I'll watch that. Well, speaking of, so I was, you know, these TV shows and whatnot, like I was watching, every now and then I do this, I'll go and see what my kids are like watching on YouTube because I'll kind of come back and watch. And the biggest thing that I've noticed, it's not just like, they can't just watch SpongeBob or they can't just watch like regular cartoons or shows anymore. They want to watch these like breakdowns and also like almost like conspiracy theories within like cartoons. No, that's just your kids, bro. Dude, I'm like, what? Those are your kids. I think, yeah, it must be like a genetic thing. I'm like, I haven't ever heard you like SpongeBob. Let me tell you. Yeah. You think it's a sponge in the ocean. Okay. So here we go. So there's this one, I decided to watch one because I thought this was hilarious. This guy was breaking it down. This YouTube like commentator and he's talking about how basically, so Pearl is like the whale daughter of Mr. Krabs. Oh, right. Right. And so the thing is they're like, well, where does he get all the meat for the Krabby Patties? And then he used to be like a whaler, like a pirate on this ship and everything. And so there's this whole like dark theory of like he killed like her mom or something. And then like created all the meat for there. And then he's raising her to then end up using her for Krabby Patties later. What is that about? So there is this thing that we're drawn to and you see it now on social media platforms, YouTube all over the place where somebody is commentating on somebody else's content. That's like so popular. Whether it be music. My kids are so into that stuff. Whether it be video games. Whether it be it's like a, it's like a thing to, you know, watch somebody else watch something. Well, I mean how many sports shows you watch where they talk about the sports that just happened? I mean, I guess that's fair. Same thing. Yeah. Like you just watched the game. And what's happening in their life, right? Outside of the sports event, it's like they create this whole narrative outside of it. So I heard a theory that you guys have seen Moana. Have you seen that? That she actually died in the, remember the scene where she's in the ocean and it's like it's a storm or whatever that she actually died. And her spirit goes to the island and brings back this, you know, it does all the work or whatever. The whole time you're watching the movie. Back half of the movie, she's dead. She's dead. How cool would that have been at the end? Like six cents? Oh yeah. I was never alive. All the kids. You know, I thought who brought up the thing that was something that Disney does that I never like almost every Disney movie like the kids like an orphan. It's always some sad shit. Yeah. Yeah. They hook you with like a traumatic event. The worst is up. I can't do it. The whole scene and up where they show the, I've only seen that once. They're getting older together and everything. And they can't have kids and then she dies and it's like, come on, man. You're just ruining my day. You're really bumming me out. That's totally sad. Speaking of sad or ruining my day or crazy. Wait, before you leave Disney, I want to ask you something. Someone asked me this and I thought that was a really interesting question. I asked me, what's your Disney classic? You're one. Oh, my favorite? Just one? Yeah, one. Give me your one. Oh man. I know somebody asked me that and made me think, right? I was like, Doug, what about you? It's a good question. I had mine canned already. When we were little, we watched a lot of Disney classics. Like I watched them all the way out. Classic classics, huh? Yeah, I mean all. Mine was the sword in the stone. That's mine. How old is that? Oh, wow. No shit. Yeah, that's mine. I watch that with my kids all the time. My kids are the Aristocats. Bro, that's like a 1967 one, too. Yeah, the older ones are the best. I probably watched Lady of the Tramp. That's so crazy. I watched a lot of Lady of the Tramp when I was a kid. I see that. You're the dog. Huh? You're the dog. We already said you look like the dog. Yeah. Is it a schnauzer? Is it a schnauzer? The gray dog? You know what sucks? What's the gray old eyes dog? You have a little schnauzer in your face. It's a schnauzer. It's a schnauzer. We've already said it's a schnauzer. Can I tell you guys what sucks about that? You guys have never told that to Jessica. She's told me that. If you were a dog, you'd be a schnauzer. What? He would pull the dog up dog that is in Lady of the Tramp. What's the character's name? It's not the main two. It's the friend. Oh, I don't know. He's gray and he's grayish black or whatever. You watched all these things, didn't you? I did. There's a tramp is... Yeah, the tramp is... He's a schnauzer, isn't he? Oh, Peter Pan was the other one I watched a lot of. But there's an old schnauzer too, huh? Yeah, it's the old schnauzer that I think Sal looks like. I don't even look like the young one, huh? My second was probably Robin Hood. The jock? Yes. Yes. Pull his picture up. I want to see what he looks like because he looks just like Sal, I think. Did you guys ever watch Fox and the Hound? I watched them all. I loved them all. Fox and the Hound was pretty good. I watched all of them, for sure. That's so crazy. You're soaring the stone, dude. I know, dude. I've never heard anybody else say that. Yeah. That is Sal. Super random. Come on, bro. I'm not short like that. You're gray. It doesn't make me gray. He's a little Scotty dog. Yeah. I love that dog. I actually want to get a schnauzer. He's not an ugly dog. No, they're adorable. Yeah, he's a cool dog. So cute. You know what I'm saying? And I think he's kind of like the angry wise guy in the movie, right? I'm not angry at all, bro. You're angry. I'm not angry. Quit telling people that, dude. Are you getting DMs? Yeah. Are people sending you? People always start with apologizing or telling me, this is not a job or what. I'm so afraid I'm going to rip every space off. If we had to choose a emoji. I'm not that sensitive. It's like a gray cloud. So as a kid, I was the grumpy, the care bear, right? I was my favorite care bear that I toted around. I was the three leaf clover one. Hold on a second. You guys had care bears? I did. Come on, dude. I mean, I'm not like the manliest guy ever. Wow. Actually, I thought you were for a second. You guys had care bears? I did. The care bears was a kid, dude. That's all I think. Do you have a cabbage patch kid too? No. I wanted one and my dad said no. Garbage pail is different. Yeah, I went in all garbage pails. No, my sister had cabbage patch kids and I had the garbage pail kids. Yeah, I had he-man. He-man and all the masters that you work. Have you seen he-man? Yeah, I know. If you look back at it, you're like... That's interesting. Hey, can I tell you something, though? Yeah. The figurines, they literally modeled them after pro bodybuilders. They don't look like athletes at all. They're all like... Yeah, the Skeletor memes are my favorite. There's somebody good Skeletor memes that are out there. Anyway, so I was going to say that's crazy. Okay, sorry. I'm supposed to mention our sale right now, but I'm going to say this because we have a marketing department that operates separately from us, meaning we don't control what sales are going to run. I mean, we can. Obviously, we own the company, but often we don't know what's going to happen, and then they'll tell us, hey, here's the sale that's going on. Yeah. So 50% off everything. Like, why are they doing this right now? That's ridiculous. Because it's a party sale. Yeah, okay. We did Memorial Day. Yes, Memorial Day. Last, we did it. Okay, so they run it right before summer, and they run it at Black Friday. Those are the two times they run it. So we actually ran it this year. We did? Yeah, we did. 50% off everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All programs? We have two massive sales in the year. This is one of them right now. That's always right before summer. I mean, give or take. I think they did it over the same holiday weekend last time. I believe. Probably. Yeah, I believe they did. There's no exception. Every program. Every mattress is doing fitness programs. Wow. Is there a limit? Did you say mattresses? Did you say shots? Yeah. Doesn't that always go on sale on Memorial Day we get? Mattresses. Yeah. I took Doug mattress shopping the other day. That sounds weird. You and Doug got a weird shit together. That sounds very weird. You guys tested it out? You're a little closer to me right this. This is a good spoonie mattress here. Did you practice your wrestling? Throw them on the bed. Doug, this one's good. Oh look, you bounced that really far. What mattress did you get? So we were shopping for the Park City property. Yeah, what was the brand though? The brand's been around for 100 years. We never heard of it. King Coil. Yeah. I hadn't heard of it. It was like 97 years old. Super comfortable. Really? Super comfortable. They're nice. I don't realize the price range of mattresses. They go up to like $10,000. Yeah, this one is probably more modern. We were also laying on what was the other ones that were like $7,000. Yeah. I forget the name of the other ones we were looking at though. But we were like, okay, if we thought we were going to be at that house more than two or three times. Well, it makes a difference, dude. I have a nice mattress now and I sleep on it really good. I mean, it's definitely a big difference. Now, have you done it even in your spare room too? Because you get kicked out of your room sometimes too, right? I don't have a spare room. I got a hell of kids. Where am I going to sleep? I got another one coming. Okay, Siraj with your weights. So when you're booted for snoring, where do you go? I don't get booted. Oh, you boot her out. I don't boot her out. You boot a pregnant woman out of her room into a bathtub. It's not my choice. Yeah. That's a true story. Hey, it's not my choice. Who says a pregnant woman to a bathtub? It's not me. She did herself. She went and slept in another room. Okay. So right now, when you were driving her crazy and snoring, you don't get up and leave? No, I don't get up and where am I going to go? What are the rooms? The kids are always in all the rooms, right? Yeah. No. So she'll sometimes go in. Oh, dude, you don't, bro. It's a good mattress. She goes and gets on the twin. Yeah. Or unless he has a little twin, you know, she gets to go sleep on. Oh, bro. You made me feel bad now. Well, I leave. So that's like the like if I, cause I'm just as guilty of like, especially since I've been sick, like Katrina will give me the similar thing. Go roll on your side. You know, and then if I still snore even on my side, then she'll let me know again. And then that's normally my signal. I just, I don't, I have to sleep. No, I actually, I actually bought, I actually bought a mouth guard thing and it goes in your mouth and what it does is it pulls your lower jaw forward like this. And it does work. It does prevent snoring. Now the only problem is I wake up and my teeth are sore. So I hope it's like going to make my teeth all weird out. But it does work. If I put it on, it does prevent snoring. Dude, I just reminded me of, has this ever happened to you guys where you had like such a vivid dream and you get woken up because you physically acted it out. Yeah. What did you act out? So I was like, there was this big bully guy that was like picking on my friends or whatever. And like, I was trying to reason with him and then he swung at me. And I literally like dodged one way, dodged the other. And then I swung back and I wake up and I hit my glass of water off the table right next to me. And it like water everywhere. Thankfully it didn't like shatter into a bunch of pieces or anything. Thank God you didn't swing the other way. I know I was thinking that dude. I was like, oh my God. Did you, Hey, did you know there was, So the dream you have? The dream you have? The dream you have? The dream you have? The dream you have? The dream you have? The dream you have? Hey, did you know there was- So the dream you have? There was this woman. I had no idea where that came from. There was this true story. There was a guy who he would wake up with like a bruise or a black eye or he'd get hit in the middle of the night and his wife's like, I'm asleep. Yeah. I'm sleepwalking or whatever. Anyway, he set up a hidden camera. This woman was a, she'd wake up and hit him. And then pretend to go back and sleep. Intentionally or is that like a disorder she had? No, no, she'd wake up. Cause I told, my best friend has like, he's like, I don't know, like 1% it's super rare what he has. There's actually a documentary on one of these comedians who has the same disorder and he did a documentary on it. But he has that. And it's like, it's actually really sad and scary because it like 80 or 90 something percent get Parkinson's. Oh yeah. It's, it's right. It's connected. I think I remember you telling me. Yeah. And he gets up and he acts out the dreams like super. Like he, and he's dead. They'll be, his wife will be like shaking him, can't wake him up. And he's like at the edge of his bed, getting ready to jump off and there's been scary stories. There's stories of people jumping out windows and stuff. There's stories of people having sleep sex. So they'll, they'll have sex with their partner. Then the next day, I tried that on Katrina all the time. Oh, I'm asleep. Sorry. No, this, no, this one, this one woman. I swatched the whole thing where she, the husband's like, oh man, you were, it was great last night, whatever she was like, what are you talking about? Anyway, she did that. She would have sleep sex with him. The thing is he thought it was the best sex. I can't believe you did that. Anyway, I have to bring this up because we're supposed to mention working with Equalife, but I have been, so Equalife is the company that, so we had Dr. Stephen Cabral on the show, functional medicine doctor, and they have a company where they do lots and lots of testing, hair tests, urine, blood, and then they'll coach you and figure out root causes of your health issues. And really, I mean, this is really comprehensive stuff. Anyway, someone was testing, messaging me, sorry, asking me about the type of tests that they do or what they're testing for. I have them written down. So here's some of the stuff that they'll test for. So if you're interested, it's really, really interesting. So they'll test for, and these are just the popular ones, but they do more than that. They can test for Candida, metabolic and vitamin function, food sensitivity test. They test your stress, mood and metabolism, minerals and metals, toxic heavy metals. They test your neurotransmitters, your gut bacteria, and if you have parasites, they'll test your stress, sleep and hormones, mold toxicity, environmental toxicity, and then your omega-3 levels in inflammation and then there's much more. Did you guys end up, I ended up ordering the Candida one. Oh, it did. To test that out and find out. Oh, you are. I'll report back on that. You got it. I'm pretty sure I do, dude. You got everything. Yeah. I would love to get more of a handle on this. I know I've done every protocol known to man in terms of having the digestive, the HCl pills and everything else. I had time to kind of eat away at it, but it's like, dude, if I can actually really get on top of that and get rid of this crazy chronic heartburn, it'd be great. Now, we've barely started working with them. I don't know about you guys. I'm already receiving DMs of people. Love them. Yeah. Same. Yeah, they're already having a tremendous review. In fact, the guy that we answered the question recently, they found with his diet that he was a slower oxidizer, needed more carbohydrates. He was eating differently before, not knowing why his energy was so low. Yeah. So they can... I mean, if you really want to get down to understanding your body and not... And get the guesswork out of the way or not do a bunch of guesswork or work with your doctor, which won't test you for any of this stuff. Get real answers, real specifically to you. And then I don't know, Doug and Justin, if you guys can even answer this or not, but when this goes live, will we have the forum up yet or will it be shortly after? Justin's when setting that up. Yeah, we should be able to do it. Yeah. So what's the name of the forum going to be? It's going to be a holistic health forum. And it'll be managed by Dr. Cabral and his team. Yeah. So this is on Facebook. Yeah, it's going to be free. And it's a free one, so you can ask questions and all that stuff. So by the time this airs, you should be able to search for it. Yeah. And should we put mind pump in the name as well? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. MP holistic health or something like that. Well, that's the name of the forum. Okay. So it's going to be something like that. So search that and then we'll let you in. Interesting. Yeah. So that's going to be paired with working with them as a partner now, which I'm really excited. So I mean, I think that we've already got great feedback on the Hormone forum that we created with Dr. Rand and their team. We've got a huge response from that. Which by the way, I had to go in there and kind of straighten things out a little bit. So just so everybody knows, it's a hormone forum to ask about prescription, hormone therapy, testosterone replacement therapy, you know, stuff you do with your doctor. It is not a anabolic steroid forum. So I have these people on there. Oh, wow. Yeah. I want to take some D ball and trend. And I'm running it with. There was a guy on there. I've been using trend alone at 400 milligrams and what about this that I'm like, it's not the place. This is not where you're asking that. Yeah. This is legit. The truth is Dr. Rand and them, they have answers probably for that. And I hope that they know to just leave that alone. Okay. Yeah. They ignored them. Yeah. I went in there because I don't want them wasting their time on stuff like that. That's not what it's designed. It's designed to help people that are in a place. Everybody building. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody knows the answer. Yeah. You know, I wanted to, so I know we have another sponsor we got to mention a great commercial for them is that my son's using it now. So, you know, we've been dealing with the ear infections and everything like that. So always first before, you know, we wanted, we went to the specialist and the surgery route was, is there something in his diet that's causing inflammation that we try to figure out? And the only thing that we could figure out that he has consistently that may potentially have effect and it also bothers me. So that's why I told Katrina, I tried teasing that out. It's his favorite thing that he has every morning, which is the toast. Yes. The cinnamon raisin toast. So you're going to take out gluten? Yeah. So we took gluten now. But we, we took this, this specific raisin bread toast out because it's something that he has every single day consistently. I've had a couple of pieces before and instantly feel like bloated from it. Oh. So I can't even, there's been a couple of times where I've tried it and been like, oh, I'll have it with him. And then I'm like, oh man, that doesn't make me feel good at all. Oh, let me try to get, of course, you know, so by about third time in me doing, I realized, okay, my body's not reacting well to this. So the kids got my DNA. So probably this could be something. So he's been using a magic spoon instead. And I was, he loves it. Oh wow. He likes it dry. So we put the same way, you know, those little, I love those little cups. Snack capture? Yeah, the snap capture, they stick their hand or whatever. Yeah. We just fill that up with magic spoon and he just goes to town. Oh, that's great. Yeah. He loves it. Yeah. And he's getting good protein. It's grain free. That's why you can eat it because he's not having the gluten. Yeah. Wow. That's what flavor. He likes fruit. That's what we have the fruity. Well, we have fruity and blueberry, but he likes the fruity one. Oh, that's great. Speaking of breakfast food, this is what the study said. Modern intake of eggs is positively correlated to better heart health. So people who eat eggs have better outcomes with heart disease, which is the opposite of what they told us for a long time. Yeah. Especially egg yolks. We're going to, we're so bad for your heart. And you know, there were studies that showed that if people ate a lot of eggs, that there was a correlation. And that, that was really less about eggs and more about cholesterol because eggs are so high in cholesterol. Oh, that was the fear. Yeah. Yeah. And that, and that we used to think that dietary cholesterol had that much of an effect. But what happened was, what happened was because, and this is what you need to pay attention to with studies, because it had been hammered into us for so long that eggs were bad for you. The only people left eating eggs were people that didn't really consider their health. So then they would do these population based studies and they're like, Oh, look, eggs are bad for your health. Well, yeah, those are the people that are also eating hot dogs and burgers and smoking, right? Type of deal. And so the truth is when they do the right control, they do the right controls, eggs, eggs are actually, and I forgot who said this. I believe it might have been Dr. Steven Garal off air. He said that eggs are an egg yolks in particular. It's like nature's multivitamin. It's one of the most nutrient density. Well, it's one of the most balanced foods you could possibly have. No, a hundred percent. Super healthy. It reminds me of your, your proverb you just said. Did that go, did that air yet? Is that live yet, Andrew? The proverb? The parable? Yeah. The elephants? Is that considered a parable or a proverb? I think it goes live before this airs for sure. Okay. You liked that one? I did. I really did enjoy that. I enjoyed it because one, I had never heard it. And then two, when I was listening to you say it, I knew where you're going with it. Yeah. This is like, oh, this is so good. Excellent. Yeah. For these guys. That's a good one. Can't wait for that. I'm formed to hear it. Hey, before we, at the end here, I got to tell you guys, I read something really frightening. You guys know anesthesia, right? So. Oh God. Are you really going to bring this up right now? No, stop. Listen. Don't worry. Don't worry. Every person. No, no. Anesthesia now all good. Very advanced. Amazing with it. In the early days of anesthesia, there was a, I can't remember the name and I tried looking it up. I couldn't find it. So maybe we'll find it by the time of stairs, but they would, the early days of anesthesia, they would give women this anesthesia during childbirth and supposedly it would help. Right. Now the women would still be moaning or whatever, but then they'd have the baby afterwards. Like, oh, that was amazing. Well, anyway, it was hard later on that the anesthesia never blocked the pain. It just made them forget. So they were giving this anesthesia to women and they were going through surgery, doing shit throughout the whole process. Wow. And they even did it with surgeries where people would feel everything the whole time that they forget about afterwards. Like, yeah, that was great. Anything that works just awesome. Dude, how scary is that? That's terrific. How horrific is that? Just kill brain cells that all did or what? Well, it's just, how scary is that? Like you're in there, they're cutting your leg off. You're like, ah. And then afterwards you forget. I wonder how they figured it out. They finally started to like ask people while they're going through it. Is this painful? That's a good question. That's how they had to, right? The way they had to have figured that out was, because if they always forgot about it, they had to have someone probably thought, you know, we've never really thought about actually asking while they're going through it. Wow. Right? So on a level of one to 10, how do you feel like, Jen! Jen! You know, afterwards you're like, no, that was fine. Yeah, that was good stuff. How scary is that? Is it called twilight sleep? Yes. Yes, so it's an injection of morphine and scopolamine. Scopolamine. Yeah. And morphine's gonna... They cause a sort of amnesia. So they wouldn't remember the process of labor or... Oh my God. How bad was that? So random. When did you come across that? Early medicine. It was an old, I read it a long time ago, and it just, you know, you know how it works. Dude, it was rough. We had to get through to get the kind of procedures we have now today. Well, you know, there were so many women that would die in childbirth because of, they would get, I don't remember they called it something fever. But it was because these medical students, this is before we understood, we really understood claiming this, right? These medical students would go work on cadavers and shit, and then they'd go deliver babies and not wash their hands. So these women would get, like a high rate of them would get infections, and then they'd get fevers and die, and they thought, oh, this is just childbirth. No, it's because you don't wash your hands, dude. This is before we really understood that. You ever watched that show? I think it was The Nick, where it was like before they had, where they were like prescribing people like cocaine and things like that. To get through some of these ailments and the very first hernia surgery and all that, they kind of go through the process of how they were able to get to that point where they actually figured it out. And just all the poor people that had to go through the butchering process to fine-tune it was like... You know how they used to rank surgeons during the Civil War? Was the speed at which they could amputate an L.M.? That you were a good surgeon and you could cut that shit off in 10 seconds. I mean, that makes sense though, right? It sure does. Yeah, I mean, you could be on the battlefield and it's like, bro, we got a minute to get out here and cut that shit off. Let's go. Hey, real quick. You got to check out one of our sponsors, actually one of our longest-running sponsors, Organifi. They make plant-based performance-enhancing supplements and supplements that enhance your health. One of my favorite supplements of theirs is their green juice. 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I remember those days. That's what happens when you hit your balls against the wall. It hurts. I've started my own personal training. It's out of my garage. The clients that I have appreciate the mentality that I have, which is a lot of it, which I've learned from you guys over the last year. My reason for calling in today was I have a client, a little background on her. She's a female, 205 pounds, 5'8". Her goal was to get some fat loss, weight loss, talk her into the whole, let's not just go on a diet and do cardio, talk her into the resistance training and buying into it. We started cracking. She has calories of about 1200 when we started. We got that up to 1500, very reluctantly. And then recently, over the last couple of weeks, we finally got her up to about 1800 calories. She's seeing tremendous strength gains. We started doing two whole body workouts a week. We're currently now doing three split workouts a week. As I said, her strength gains are great, upper and lower. Body composition changes, again, upper and lower have been fantastic. Body fat has increased since January by 0.6, which I am attributing to hopefully just the increase in calories. My question for you guys is, subcontaneous belly fat will not budge. It is super stubborn. It is there. It is very prominent with her. It's a very big sticking point with her and probably the whole reason why she initially came to me. So my question to you guys is, where do I take her from here? Do I work on going into a deficit, more cardio, which I don't want to do? She's doing cardio two times a week on her own right now, half an hour to 45 minutes, or maybe a new program. So I'm open to your ideas. All right, good question. So real quick, Brian, you said her body composition is doing really well, but then you said she went up in body fat percentage. What did you mean by that? Did you mean that she's gaining muscle? Yeah, she's gaining muscle. And it's weird. I have just a quick body scan scale. So that's where I'm saying the body fats come up. You're using bioelectric impedance. Yeah. Not very accurate. How's her body weight? Has it changed at all? No. So we're actually up three pounds from when she... I think you're doing great. Yeah, you're on track. I think you're doing great right now. The fact that you've taken her from, by the way, 1,200, because 1,800 calories to the average listener may not sound like a lot, but taking someone from 1,200 to 1,800... Yeah, 600 more calories a day. That's a lot. That's like two and a half hours of cardio. That's right. That's a 50% increase. So that's phenomenal where she's at. And to have only added 0.6% or three pounds to the scale, which is like... Probably muscle. Yeah, that's nothing. So here's the challenge and why I like this question, because this is... I remember getting this challenge so many times. And the hard part is I know why you're asking this is because she wants to get rid of this belly. Yeah, she's being... Of course. Yeah, she's antsy. She's ready to start seeing herself lean out and feels like she's been putting in the consistent work with you. And this is where it's always really tough for a trainer because the truth is what you're doing is perfect. I mean, I would stay the course to continue to try and build muscle, to continue to try and creep those calories up more. I mean, she said she's 5'8", 200-something pounds. I mean, I'd like to see her in the mid 2000s at least. I'd like to see her up at 2,500 calories. Just so you can cut down to 2,000. Right. So I'd like to keep working in that direction and keep pushing the message of let's build muscle, let's build strength, let's build this metabolism. Let's get these calories up. And let me tell you, if I could get you to 2,500 calories and then we come down, we're going to be in a much better place. I'm going to explain to her so she understands, listen, what I can do with you right now is I could take you from that 1,800. We can go back down to 1,200 and I could show you we can lean out. We would start to lose some belly fat. You would get a little bit leaner. The problem is we'd stall out before we got all the way to your goal and now you're back at that 1,200 calorie mark again and that's not sustainable. But if you trust this process, what we want to do is what I'd like to do with you is I'd like to get you up to more like 2,500 calories down to somewhere like Sal said, 2,000 calories, which is significantly higher than you've ever been and we're also plummeting. You're trying to drop that belly fat. And talk about sustainability. Like now she can sustain it because she's eating 2,000 calories a day and she's at her goal body weight. Like what a great position to be in. The other thing to consider too is this, Brian, like the most challenging thing that you'll ever do as a coach or trainer is not program design. It's not exercise form and technique. Although those are important. The most challenging thing you're going to have to do is guide people in the right direction, especially when they want to go in the wrong direction. So you have to get really good at that. And so here's a strategy that I'll give you that I think might help. Rather than focusing on body composition with her, which is she's building muscle and that's great and she's getting stronger and that's awesome too, start to help her point out all the other benefits that she's noticing. I'm going to assume, because she went from 1200 to 1800 calories and she's stronger, she's probably got more energy. She's probably noticing she has a better libido. She's probably getting better sleep. She probably feels better in her clothes. She's more stable. More productive in her day. More productive. Point these things out because otherwise what happens is a person thinks they're not making any progress because they don't pay attention to anything else other than what the scale says. They go, why am I doing this? I'm not moving anywhere. When you start to point this out, they go, oh yeah, I feel way better. Oh my God, my skin looks better. Wow, my energy. There's a trainer trick to this by the way too. Don't wait to have this conversation when she's venting to you how she wants to lose weight. Yeah, good point. You do this while you're in the middle of training. Like, hey, how's your sleep been lately? And get her to tell you like, oh, it's been really good. Have you noticed, is your energy increased? So don't wait for this to be like your rebuttal to her complaining about not seeing the results because then you're not going to win that way. The trick is to get her to tell you all these positive things that you know as a coach is probably happening so that when she does have that moment later on where she's frustrated, she says, man, Brian, I just feel like, you know, I haven't lost any weight and you go, you got it, then you remind her. But you remember, Susie, we're just talking about how your energy's up. You feel stronger. You're in a better mood. Your sleep is better. Your sex drive is better. We are seeing great progress. That's when you remind her of that. But you want to get her to say it in another context, right? Not when she's complaining about not seeing the results. Then you're pointing out, oh, you're probably from this because then she'll deny it or she won't admit it. So you want to get her to vocalize that while you're working out or training or when you're in a positive mindset. And then your goal as a coach when that situation does happen, then I'm reminding her of all the other things that are positive. I bet her quality of life is improved dramatically. Now, from a workout perspective, I mean, you're training it right if she's getting stronger and building muscle. As far as activity, you can talk to her about injecting activity into a normal day. More walking. You know, walking, you know, 10 minutes after a meal. That's an additional 30 minutes of activity. Forget the calorie burn. It's just healthy to do that. It makes people feel really good. So you could talk to her about that. As far as the belly fat is concerned, the first place that you gain body fat is usually the last place that you lose it. It's largely determined by genetics. Now with women, with belly fat storage, sometimes that can mean high levels of cortisol. Sometimes it can mean hormone imbalances. But you're moving in the right direction. She sounds like she's getting healthier. She's able to eat more, really hasn't gained weight. She's gotten stronger. So you're moving in the right direction anyway. And so this is really about, hey, look at all these, you know, these are the canaries in the coal mine. They're showing us that we're about to get on the snowball effect of fat loss. We're boosting your metabolism. Like we're going to get there. And when we do and we cut you down, you're going to eat more than you did before, but you'll be much leaner. And you're only going to work out with me twice a week for the rest of your life, like just to maintain that. Like, isn't that a great place to be? Can you see how you can maintain that forever? So these are the conversations you want to have as a trainer. And this is what's going to make you, make or break you as a trainer. And like I said earlier, exercise, you know, selection and form and technique, that's all important. But this is what separates the great trainers from the average ones. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's kind of what I feel like I'm on the right track. It's just, and she, and it's, as a client, like she's trusting me. She's still trusting me. Good. So I got the text message like, Hey, look, I'm down a pan size. So, wow. Wait, hold on a second. She's down a pan size and her weight is, is up a little bit. Do you know what that means? Yeah. She's lost body fat and she's gained muscle. That electronic impedance scale, don't rely on that by the way. That's, that's one of the more inconsistent ways to test body fat. Use body fat calipers or use circumference measurements. Yeah. It's good at showing that. And practice, going back to what I was saying, you know, practice, you know, while you're in the workouts and you're communicating these things, you know, practice helping her make the connections to all the other positive things. It's really tough. When a client comes in and they have a very specific goal, I want to get this body fat off. I want to build this muscle. I want to run faster. They become very myopic. And that's all they think about, right? But you as a coach, want to help them make that connection to all the other aspects of their life that is improving. And it's not just simply pointing it out one time. It's constantly reminding them that like, you know, that's why you feel so good because we keep doing this. This is what's so great. Remind yourself. That's why you love this thing. It's not just about that weight on the scale. It's also about all these other things that your life is improving. Awesome. Hey, that answers my question. Thanks guys. I appreciate it. Show her this episode, Brian. So she will. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, that's it. That's the secret to successful trainers. Well, you nailed it. I mean, that's tough though, you know, that takes a lot of experience to learn to... Got to work up your confidence to get to that level where you can just like be adamant. We are on the right track and be able to keep painting that vision. And again, you really do have to get in their ear that like what we are doing is moving us into the right place we want to be. That's the hard part. That's the hard part as a trainer or coach because the person wants what they want or they want what they think they need or they want. They actually don't have an idea. So you have to communicate this effectively and you have to do it constantly and you have to help them build a relationship with exercise that doesn't just revolve around body weight. It revolves around a lot of the benefits or all the benefits because it gives them a much clearer picture. Our next caller is Sean from Minnesota. Sean, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Guys, how are you doing today? Good, brother. How are you doing? Hey, I just can't tell you how grateful I am for everything you guys do. I mean, it's your passion, your energy, your synergy together, your knowledge. It's completely helped me in so many ways and I just want to say thank you. You guys are just awesome. Man, I appreciate that. Thank you, Rad. Well, you got a 54-year-old man, started his first maps program six weeks ago, I think it was now and slowly trying to get my body back to moving. Long story short, I started training back when I was 16, 18 and it's funny, I just caught your podcast. What was it? Three, I'm sorry, at the beginning of the year, so I finally found it through a lot of diving I did with Sal. I don't know how your tummy was, but I had a really bad tummy where I couldn't walk the dog around the block without dry heaving and throwing up and thought I'd better get on this stuff. So I started diving deep into it and finally found you guys. So anyway, I came up and some of your stories are great. I still remember, I can't remember, I brought a universal machine when I first put up 100 pounds and put the big plates on the weight and then I went through college and back in the late 80s it was the bigger, faster, stronger program out of Nebraska, the football team that was having a lot of success. So my career really been based around performance, power, speed, whatever we want to call it. Training on the aerodyne bike, the old aerodyne, we were pumping the arms back in the 90s and then through my 40s got more into the old man workout whereas working out just to kind of maintain and had the kids growing up and then now at 54 I find myself taking care of the tummy first, the foundation down there and then kind of branching out and really want to do what I really want to do and I've been doing mobility for the last six weeks and I don't have a plan or a big achievement goal but I'd like to get out of bed without worrying about my back hurting after so many years I'd like to get the mobility and I've been working a lot on my workouts I went to the full body workouts for the first time in my life which I love and really focusing on form, focusing on structure went back to, I've had a few surgeries and things like that we're using one limb at a time pause down, perfect form, explode up, right arm first, right arm first, left arm second, whatever it is but I really just want to know what you guys take on it about am I starting out of the right path there's a gal that works with your name Ann, she's been a godsend she's kind of helped me get going and I'm just wondering am I starting out on the right path to live the second part, the second half of life as I'm looking down the hill Now Sean, you used to play professional hockey I saw this in the question that you sent us, correct? Yes sir, I played for a while Good deal What drove you to work out for so long was high level performance high level performance, pushing your body getting stronger, being faster the challenge with that is making the mental switch which I'm sure you know what I'm talking about making the mental switch from pushing performance just feeling better and working on mobility so that's the big challenge although it sounds like you're on the right track it really does it sounds like you're really moving in the right direction as far as programs are concerned Sean, I like map symmetry for someone like you I think that would be a great program because it's all unilateral at least there's a few phases in there that are mostly unilateral the first couple of weeks are isometric to really get the body to fire properly and it does encourage balance throughout the body and you do get mobility movements in that as well if you don't have a program like maps prime or prime pro I think those will help you as well He's got prime already he's done the compass test already so he's got prime but I agree symmetry will send over to you you've got to have that and I'd like to put them in the forum and I'd like to point out did I just look you up and see that you're a Stanley Cup winner also? were you not going to mention that? were you not going to mention that bro? you're just going to like slide brag or were you just going to say like yeah I kind of played some professional hockey you're kind of a big deal that's fucking awesome yeah that's rad and I'm going to put a clip up when you're talking now so now that I know that dude I can't believe you didn't mention that I mean you got the right idea you got the right attitude for the gut health I don't know if you're working with a functional medicine practitioner but that's where I would go because if you can't get that if you get that solve that makes a huge difference if you can't get it if you don't get it solved it's going to really make everything else so much more challenging but you're on the right path man really just what you're aiming for is feeling good like how's my energy how do I feel do I feel mobile do I feel stiff do I feel painful I don't you don't want to aim for is soreness and exhaustion and beating yourself up that really doesn't have a lot of value for you anymore now it's like do I feel better after my workout than I did before do I move better am I getting out of bed with lots of energy use that as your guide and then slowly you'll progress sounds like you've already reframed all that I mean it sounds like your mindset is in that direction which is the hardest thing with ex athletes especially of your caliber to get them to not identify with the workouts the same way and not approach them with the same type of intensity whereas you can use that that discipline that athletic discipline and move it more towards restoring your body and addressing imbalances and really bringing yourself back up to optimal health so I really think that you're on the right track everything that you've mentioned so far is what I would recommend so I know you called us to ask us questions but I want to ask you a couple questions since I have you so give me a favorite player to play with and guy you hated playing against oh wow great question well I was blessed to play for a little while you know I played with a guy named Peter Forsberg and Joe Sack I can Colorado that were just for people I mean super players but they were even better people great human beings and I got to learn from them daily I really learned a lot when the paycheck showed up because there's had a few extra zeroes on it and playing against you know just the great players that were you know the muse of the world the Wayne Gretzky's of the world and back in my era it's back when I have an egg like myself got to actually be out there and try to shut them down and try to keep up with them so you know it was just it was fun those are great I know those are easy names to throw out there but you learned a lot from both of them both on the ice and off the ice do you still hang around the sport and follow it closely or are you over it you know what I've been lucky I've been able to coach my kids growing up I got a 19 year old actually played though Vermont and I got a little boy 15 and I don't putting on the skates these days that you're talking about stability is definitely something that I like to focus on because when you throw the razor blades on your feet that's not all there as much as it used to be but yeah so I'm around the game I consulted and I'm still coaching in it but yeah it's just I really enjoyed it it's been a blessing for me and my family and it's just been great well good deal Sean so cool Sean did you tell him we're giving him the forum we're going to set you up with the forum I'm going to send you map symmetry as well because I think that'll be a good program if you don't already have it well you guys that's very nice you don't need to do that but I just I just want to let you know what a big difference you've made not only millions of people of lives amazing I'm all in you guys are just a blessing and telling you from a guy who is 54 and I put that first compass test the first three and got a definite F minus in all three and with your and with your being the kind of ship from that mind focus to the mind body connection instead of having to put up the you know whatever way it is in the bench press the right arm already finished in the left arm about halfway up focusing on that stuff it's been it's been a godsend so thank you boys I really appreciate it and if there's anything I could ever do for you please let me know make sure you say make sure you say hi to us when you get in the form so tag us and then we'll make sure we stay on top of you and pay attention to how everything's going I will for sure thank you boys thanks for calling man well that's really cool so great Doug's looking them up over there and he's Stanley Cup winner no big deal that's pretty rad but I tell you man it's Justin you probably have the most experience with this because you played at a pretty high level it's like I've trained people like this not profession X pros but people who played college and it was years later and their mentality was the main thing I had to switch because when you train for decades for maximum performance it is a completely different mentality when you're training to correct imbalances and to move better it's like it's so different and you're so disciplined and that's the thing it's like it's a hard thing because it works so well for you it got you to the highest of highs like a Stanley Cup that's amazing like you can't get any higher than that in that sport and so yeah to now really focus on what's going to benefit you know the rest of your life and you know being able to be there with your kids and move and be active and healthy totally different mentality but you can apply that same athletic mind in that direction that's right that's the cool part of getting a client like this yes they got the discipline yeah once you get them to switch the mindset and make and figure out like the way they need to focus and channel that energy they're incredible that's right because they've for decades had built that discipline it's just learning how to refocus it it's not about intensity and how much weight I can move it's like applying that discipline towards okay getting better connected more mobility like overall health like and he's there dude watch his journey our next caller is Dan from Georgia what's up Dan how can we help you I'm doing great guys I just wanted to thank you guys you know Doug Adam Sal and Tiny Beard for doing everything yes long lives Tiny Beard keep it going recognize thank you Dan yeah oh yeah so I'm running into this problem with my back squats and it seems like randomly happened to me it feels like it might be fatigued because I just can't weight I normally can also I'm not sure if it's maybe just because I'm an old injury I had like about 10 years ago like I think I might have herniated a disc and maybe that's impacting as well so I'll go like squatting like low bar doing like a top set four reps to like 260 pounds comfortably to then having to do 205 or 185 because it's just it feels like so intense like I'm all the way back up then it just happens to me again and just give some context I've been lifting for just a little over a year now and so I just seen what you guys would recommend for like a new lifter like me to figure out how would I go about like troubleshooting this like would it be mobility priming fatigue or a symmetry problem maybe interesting do you do you get painful is an injury that you feel I would say it just feels like tight like if I was to go stretching like it feel like it'd be like a little bit better but um so let me get this straight you you work up to 260 and then all of a sudden you draw you have to go down 60 pounds and then and then you can build it back up again over time and then it does it again so it's like all of a sudden right so it'll be like three or four months like um just recently I got above it and I got to I try to one rep max I got up to I felt good there for a little while then all of a sudden like when I started anabolic I couldn't hardly do one reps for 260 oh so you got up to 295 you meant yeah want me just recently but like in the beginning like I got up to like 230 then I had to drop it down to like you know 150 then I got up to 260 then I had to drop it down to like 185 because I don't know like just something happened just all of a sudden it just became unbearable there's a lot of variables here there's a lot of different things that could be usually strength declines don't happen rapidly like all of a sudden um which that's what you're saying right Dan it's just all of a sudden out of nowhere yeah and are we okay I just want to get some clarity here before we start troubleshooting here is this within a single workout or do you mean like over a period of time like so for example like you come in on Monday and you were hitting hitting 260 then all of a sudden the following Monday you squat again and you can only do what you work up to 260 then you have to drop all the way back down to 180 or something give me more yeah it's the the following week like I feel like I'm like really excellent I just hit the 260 really hard then like you know the next week I was like yeah I mean I could definitely like pump that up like you know another 510 pounds now have you teased out Dan have you teased out like other things that are going on in your life at the same time for example like you know is it been a stressful week for work did I not get very good rest was your diet held in on one week and not so another week did you train at different times like a lot of these other factors could impact yeah but to have it drop from 260 to 180 in a week without like lots of pain like it's an injury that is if you get weaker within a week it's usually 10 pounds 15 pounds you know it can be as much as 30 pounds but we're talking about when you're squatting a lot 500 pounds down to 470 that's but 260 to 185 that's a pretty big drop and within that weight range within a week I would I would have I would go get my nervous system checked and make sure that there's no issues with where I'm leaning yeah with your nervous system or where you're not getting all of a sudden something's getting blocked and you're not able to fire you know the juice to the muscles if you will so I would I would actually this is something that I would turn to Western medicine for and I would let my doctor know significant sudden drops and strength in a very short period of time because if you went from 260 to like then it was 240 the following week or 250 and it felt just as heavy well that can happen with over training and fatigue this is also perceived though bro what I'm hearing though from him is not like he all of a sudden feels all stiff or weak and can't do that I know but that's not okay so there's definitely been times not that long ago 315 feels comfortable and then all of a sudden the next week like you know 275 feels like a fucking brick house 315 to 275 is different than 260 to 185 yeah that's a big drop and the more weight you lift the bigger the drop can be with fatigue but 260 to 185 I would definitely get I would have my nervous system checked out I mean does it like shut off like do you lose muscle tension you know within your rep like is this something that like in terms of when you're getting up to that amount of weight does your body just sort of shut off no like it just it feels like just really heavy so like okay I'm trying to think like I know like the very first time like it's ever happened to me which were like I fatigued out like I was benching one time and it also had the same effect where I went from like you know 150 I had to go down to 95 but that's the only time to be multiple times but it's only with my back squat yeah I would get the I would get the nervous system looked at and then do you notice any other symptoms along with that like more fatigue worse like worse sleep changes in balance or anything like that no like I feel like I sleep great and like I've been sleeping even better since like Adam recently mentioned like the chili pad and like ever since I've gotten that like I've been sleeping even better that's been in God's end now was your nutrition look like eating like a carb amount like what's the kind of energy you have like when is these workouts well for the last year because like I'm like really kind of tiny I'm like at 63 and last year I started at like about 160 pounds I've been bulky like constantly so like from the I guess the time I started experience my calories have been anywhere from like 3500 to about 4000 okay yeah I mean go get it looked at yeah that's a big drop that's a pretty big drop now the way I would work out with the information that I've that I'm given right now is I would reduce your intensity overall and I would just train with a moderate level of intensity until you see until you get cleared and make sure that there's nothing going on with your nervous system and there's nothing autoimmune that's going on so those are the big ones I'd want to just double check and I'm not saying that's what's happening but a drop in strength that significant in that range it's pretty pretty rare that's pretty unless something big happened what you would you would know you would have told me and today I did 261 week and then I got lost four nights of sleep or I got really sick and then went back to the gym in which case I would say well yeah that makes sense but if nothing big happened in between and you were doing 261 week and then next week it was 185 and it felt just as heavy that's that's what makes me say so if it was just like 30 pounds instead of like that would that still be acceptable or that still be like probably I mean you know 20 20 pounds you know at 260 I mean I would expect that like if I trained to climb it this way if I trained a client and they did 260 for four on Monday and then I saw them the following Monday and they were struggling to get four with 185 I would have a lot of questions okay I'm not trying to freak you out I'm just trying to just I think it'd be a good idea to rule out what happened you said you had a herniated disc before and your written question you could literally you could be the herniation you could be pressing on a nerve that could make you lose strength and you just don't know it that's why I was worried like maybe like your whole body kind of shuts down once you know you're in mid-lifts that's why that would be my concern is like something like that happening yeah so I wish we could be more hell okay so I'll have Doug give you access to our free form then I'd love for you to go get it looked at and then to give us more feedback after that I would even love to see like a squat so if I could see maybe we could video the next time it'd be great to see the two squats the contrast that's right yeah that's right so maybe you could video some squats for us throw it in the form so we can take a look and see if we can can help troubleshoot this there is a lot of variables here so that I mean oh this is for sure what's going on with you but maybe we can help further after one go get it looked at two shoot some videos for us in the form it's definitely something I've been working on because I had a hard time sort of going down to parallel then I just dropped all the way down to about 135 and what basically assagrass and been feeling it in my quads now but like I'm going to be going to performance here would it be better for me to run symmetry before performance or like focus more on prime or prime I think symmetry would be better do you have that program Dan? Yes all right perfect that would be a great option all right all right man well thank you guys I appreciate it keep us posted man I'm curious we'll do thank you all right yeah I don't want to scare him but you know imagine if you had a client that you're right I would check for so you're right like you might be explaining the most extreme situation right or case here's some things too okay like so this is very possible you take it you had somebody who is you know very interested in increasing their back squat and they love to keep testing their PR he hits a PR at 260 over reaches sore as fuck has a rough week maybe stress wise didn't consume enough calories really and then goes in the next week easily could see a huge drop in the in the squat I mean I've done this to myself I just feel like I feel like that would have been a part of his question and you know he's like you know I agree you're right I mean I think your advice is right I mean go get this go get it looked at first just to make sure I would autoimmune issues make sure there's nothing autoimmune going on because there's certain autoimmune issues especially those that affect the nervous system where you go through symptoms or issues like that could also be like we said he said he had a herniated disc if that herniated disc sometimes impedes the nerve and sometimes it doesn't it doesn't have to completely cut the nerve off it just you're weaker so he's not pushing as hard and you feel normal you just notice the bar is much lighter so yeah there's a lot of possibilities I do the nutrition was where I went initially because to me I think that that's what this says to me is like I thought maybe he was like yeah right he's this PR then also he's an extreme cut maybe he's not sleeping very well okay that's it's possible to see a drop like that although that is a pretty big drop our next caller is Brent from Colorado Brent what's happening how can we help you how's it going just wanted to start out saying thank you I've been listening to guys basically every day for the last two years and because of you I did I went all in with NCI and I've been learning great stuff from them awesome yeah so my question is program how to program for my soldiers so I've got about 15 soldiers that I'll work with for about 60 to 90 minutes a day so a little bit of background I've been in the army for 14 and a half years there's been a lot of changes in the fitness program but it's always seems to be pretty slow on the catching up typically the PT sessions are either bare minimum do some push-ups sit-ups and then just getting through the time extremely intense where they're trying the instructors are trying to make people puke so we are aircraft mechanics so we do do some heavy lifting carrying toolboxes heavy parts and stuff like that sorry I'm a little bit of brain fog my kids got me sick I feel that yeah I was listening to you guys this morning you said that you had been two weeks it's October I'm going through it right now again so I feel it so the army started a holistic health and fitness program to kind of do like an overall fitness they changed the ACFT to the ACFT which is not just push-ups and sit-ups anymore we do have some equipment we've got hex bars and barbells and hex bar barbells kettlebells bands benches all that that kind of stuff we don't have dumbbells though but the issue is all the soldiers are in different places so some of them are actually fairly physically fit others of them they need some work so my main goal was to build their strength to kind of burn off some of the excess fat and then worry about worry about improving their ACFT sports because they can already all pass the ACFT the minimums are pretty pretty low so I guess that's where that's the end of my question how do I how should I program with that kind of equipment for a group of people with a variance on age and size and physical fitness levels I like symmetry Brent, Brent you have you have in your written question it says 60 to 90 minutes with them every day is that seven days a week or five days a week five days a week so five days a week you have and then you said your main goal is make them stronger build some muscle yeah, initially so I figure if I can build up get some muscle on them burn off some of the excess fat that they've added on over the last couple of years because the army with the transition in the program kind of stopped doing the PT test and started implementing this and then COVID and some people weren't doing PT at all and it's been pretty rough on us for the last couple of years okay so the building muscle is going to help with the fat loss most of the fat loss is going to happen with diet which I know you don't have much control over but if you try to burn their fat off with the workouts it's going to be a bit of a struggle with even if you did it five days a week the way I would train them is I would do two or three days a week full body strength training and then two days a week of mobility and the way you train multiple people is you set them up and you have them you teach them technique have them go lighter than they think they need to go and then you walk through and correct their form and be really a good stickler with technique and with form but I would focus on the compound basic the basic lifts dead lifts and squats and overhead presses and bench presses and rows and I throw some rotation in there some split stance exercises about two or three days a week and then the other days I would use something like Maps Prime Pro the webinar and I would do all the webinar have them follow the webinar it's like a group setting you have to have you seen the Prime Pro webinar that I did I've seen parts of it I haven't seen all of it okay so it's free right so you can get access to that at PrimeProWebinar.com and watch that it's about 50 minutes long I think it's it's actually what I would teach classes so I think it's great forever so no matter what level of mobility you're at they can literally just follow along I would literally put it up there or you learn it yourself so you can teach it it's up to you whether you throw it on a TV and they follow it or you learn it yourself and then teach it to them that's what I would do for the mobility days it's all saying I agree the strength I like symmetry only problem with that is it says they don't have dumbbells just barbells x-bars so performance mass performance we have kettlebells okay kettlebells you could modify some of it with kettlebells but I still think anabolic or mass performance you know the foundation will work out two or three days a week and then on those other days mobility I think it'll be perfect yeah the only challenge with a group on an anabolic will just be like you may have people I don't know where their level of fitness is at that aren't ready for a barbell back squat yet for example and so you might have to modify right so maybe somebody maybe you've got some advanced people that have been lifting for a while they have great technique and you can kind of basically they can just do a technique and maybe you modify instead of them doing that like doing a lunge or something else that's a little less risky and so you might have to do that right because you're teaching in a group setting that's the only thing the tip that I would give is those those high technique exercises like squatting and deadlifting in particular you may modify them for the people that aren't quite at that level to where you could like just tell them squat and walk away yeah you could go like instead of instead of a squat you could do like walking lunges and then instead of a straight bar deadlift you could do a hex bar deadlift which is you know requires less skill so you could throw those modifications in there but yeah five days a week you know three days two to three days full body strength training and then two to three days of you know correctional mobility type work you've got yourself a really good routine and they're going to feel good as they do it and they will build muscle they will build strength that'll help with the fat loss as they start to speed up their metabolism but I mean I'm be honest with you that the fat loss when they're not with you right they're diet so you're in the military so you can beat them up a little bit and tell them call them fat or whatever I don't know if you guys are allowed to do that anymore but it's frowned upon oh man yeah the hell's going on here yeah no I'm going to work with them with their nutrition also I mean I've learned a lot from it I was already a nutritionist but NCI has helped with the actual application so perfect I'm going to work with them I'm definitely working with them with that okay Brent I do have anabolic I wasn't sure about how to program it how to modify it into a group setting I mean the first the first and second phase are pretty easy but once you get to the third phase the rest periods are so short it's kind of hard to get everybody through with that rest period it doesn't have to be perfect you can keep them longer and you can also go phase one, phase two phase one, phase two and then I would go mass performance do you have that program no I do not I'll send that to you Brent because mass performance is great okay awesome thank you yeah no problem man thanks for calling in thank you yeah group strength training is really hard very hard no Justin you do it with your football players it's a tough one man I mean it gets away from you really quickly and it's I mean for me it's about slowing it down and like really trying to like apply things like isometric so I can at least like make sure everybody gets the concept of how to brace properly how to hold certain positions but really at that point like you have to kind of trust that they're going to apply the exercise with appropriate form yeah totally because otherwise you're everybody's doing strength training you're watching this guy over here that guy over there that girl over there doing it wrong you start to get injuries and stuff like that well and here's an example of where I mean we always talk about how you know how important squatting and deadlifting is and it is and if I had each one of those people individually I would be working on all of them getting great at those movements but if I'm forced to teach in a class setting yeah that's why I said like walking lunch and a trap bar I'm going to look you know 20 pilots or whatever or soldiers and go hey you know these five have great squat mechanics and deadlift mechanics so you guys can follow Annabal then these other ones that are like all over the board I don't have the time to coach each individual up so it's like you're going to do a lunch yeah so that's yeah exactly I had to look too at like which one had the most least risk in you know had the most like benefit to them too so like a trap bar deadlift versus like regular deadlift I don't have that much time to coach all those cues and get everybody on the same page so I would prefer them to just do that and still get the benefit of it but like lower the risk factors down perfect look if you like our information head over to mindpumpfree.com check out our guides we have guides that can help with almost any health or fitness goal you can also find all of us on social media so Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal