 If you have issues with your body weight or body fat or health or fitness, the solution is not the next diet. The solution is not the next cool exercise tool. The solution is diet and exercise, but the root of that is relationship with yourself, relationship with food. Why do I find this so challenging? Why do I do this from a place of hate and not self-care? And how can I develop strategies to modify my behavior so this is long-term and consistent? And then when you do that, I don't care what the tool is. I don't care if you use shake weights or I think there's better equipment, but if that's what you use consistently and that's the only way that you exercise, guess what, shake weights awesome. I don't care if it's keto diet, but if that's what works best for you and you're able to stay consistent, you have a good relationship with it, guess what? I'm cool, I'm a fan of keto in that particular situation. So that's really the key here. The answer to your fitness pursuit is not a new machine, new piece of equipment or the latest fad when it comes to exercise. That has nothing to do with the reason why you can't get consistent with your fitness. Oh my, I feel like this is in response. I saw you reading a letter from a listener. This has to be where this is coming from. And I saw Doug put up on the television this fitness tool that somebody is, now are they looking for you to invest in it? What was the identity? They positioned it so I got a letter. First off, I wanna commend, I wanna start with something nice. Well, no, it just, okay look. Here comes the shit sandwich right here. First of all, first of all, look, look. We've all been entrepreneurs for a long time. Yes, exactly, that's the thing. I've come up with my own product and failed course. I'm just gonna come out with it right now. Can we talk about all your stupid ideas? Listen, yeah, I'll throw them all out on the table on top of this. So there's your shit sandwich. I don't have any empathy. Just like spray paint underwear. Yeah, I already started. You just spray it on. I don't even need to wear underwear, just spray it on. Just spray it on you guys, that's a good idea. It glistens to us. Okay, yeah, for sure in this room, who has had the most bad business ideas? It's probably Justin. Hold on a second, hold on a second. Yeah, right. Hold on a second. That's not true at all. First of all, just raise your hand because all of us, all of us, I'll guarantee you that this is me. Hold on, the most successful thing we've ever done was this. Fair. Correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, who in here has tried the most business ideas, Adam, who's tried the most business ideas? Probably you. I'm pretty sure you've had a car wash business. I'm a long-going business. I'm pretty sure you've tried a stripper coffee shop. I'm pretty sure you've tried to be a yoga instructor. What boy? Okay, all right, I tried the most business ideas. Okay, all right, let's do one. Justices are the most wacky though. Definitely quirky. Here's the thing that I respect always, I will always respect about entrepreneurs because I'm the same way. I've done this since I was a kid. You put yourself out there and it takes guts to do it because you're probably gonna fail most of the times as a fact. And the biggest hurdle between a entrepreneur and success is fear of failure. It's always the biggest hurdle. That's just the fact. So first I wanna say something good. This guy is going for it and he wrote me a letter and mailed it to me. Nobody does that anymore. I got the letter. Great, now I'm gonna get a bunch of letters to people who are like, Sal, I like this. And I read the letter and it's basically like, hey, there's this machine that I have. It trains the whole body all at once. So right there. Remember when you used to get letters and they'd put like scent in there? No. Did you do that? She's your creepy ass. Just to do that, he would write letters. Like, ooh, cinnamon. I heard girls like Faribos. Anyways. So I get this letter, I read it and it's basically I have this whole body machine which already is a red flag because we understand whole body machines nine out of 10 times, maybe 10 out of 10 times, you're not gonna do much with that. But anyway, whole body machine and I can only manufacture 10 at a time. I need better manufacturing capabilities. Do you have any ideas? So it sounds like he's putting it out there for me to either give him a suggestion or to say, oh my God, it's a great idea. Maybe we wanna manufacture this. So I commend the person on the guts for putting it out there, okay? Well, I'm about to give him a massive favor right now. What are you doing? I'm gonna give him a massive favor until here's a great part. Our audience now, so please can we share the link? Can you share the link so people can watch it? So we're gonna say. Okay, we'll give him some exposure. Yes. Okay, I like that. Yeah, so I'm gonna also pile on the shit sandwich here with you and give him nice stuff first. So we're gonna send lots of people over to take a look at this. But I also think. Cause he's looking for the ability to manufacture more of these. But I want him to save his money and hopefully the feedback that he gets from our audience going there, hopefully he'll see that it's a terrible idea. And here's why it's a terrible idea, okay? When you look, aside from the machine looking really weird, cause Doug made it a fair point. Doug's like, if it's marketed right, you know what I'm saying? Shake, and of course you win. Shake weight. And that's an idea. Shake weight is for sure. The number one piece of exercise equipment sold ever was a thymaster. Right. Yeah. Okay, that's a fact. A spring. And shake, and shake weight is not far behind. No. So, so. So Doug's the better. So it's off dumbbell. So to Doug's, and if you would have presented shake weight or thymaster to me at any point in my career and that was new, I would say this is a terrible idea also. So fair, fair point. Yes. But this machine that he has where it's, it works the lower and the upper body at the same time is literally a squat thruster. Yeah. Yeah. You could literally do it with a barbell and you could go and you could spend less than A medicine ball. $100 and get a barbell with adjustable weights and do the exact same movement probably safer and you can progressively overload it a lot easier than probably what the resistance is on this machine. Yes. Not to mention it looks really awkward until you do it. Yes. So. I cannot say. I'm sorry. But I do, I do like the way you set the table because yes, all of us are, are, are just as, you know, I don't know if guilty is the right word. You're not guilty. You got to put it out there. That's right. I mean, I remember, I actually have shared this a long time. I think I shared this on the podcast a long time ago. I remember reading one time that the average billionaire or maybe the back then it was millionaire. I don't remember a millionaire or billionaire back then. It was way more than I had. A billion today is not worth it. Yeah. It's like a million. It might have been a million back then, but I can't say that now because it was like, that's no big deal. The average millionaire back then, this is like 20 years ago when I read this, has failed nine times at business before they, they were successful. I believe it. And I remember being only like 19 or 20 years old and reading that. And at that point in my life, I'd only done one or two things and going like, oh my God, like I've got to get out there and fail. Yeah. And that was great attitude. And I really do think it's a good attitude. I think that's the, I think that is the idea. So I don't know where this, this gentleman is at as far as how many failures he's had. This is going to hopefully be eight or nine for him. So he can get to that. It's a good idea, yeah. Well, okay. This is more in the future. First of all, here's the challenge with fitness. If you're going to present fitness equipment to us or anything related to fitness, because we're, you know, quote unquote experts in the field and because we have integrity with what we do, we can't just look at a product and say, ooh, I could market that and make a lot of money. Because could I market this and sell it in a way? We're the wrong people to present something like that. I could. I could do that. Actually, I'll be honest with you. I could do that with anything. You show me anything. I could sell it and find a way, if I put my integrity aside. They sell sliding mover piece of plastic, right? As exercise equipment. As exercise equipment for way marked up overpriced and it's hilarious to me. But people sell that shit. I'm not going to sit here and promote it though. Yeah. So that's, that's my point. My point is we're coming from a different place and I can't sell something that counters the integrity I have as a trainer. So even, so again, if you bring me, if you had brought me the thymaster and I knew the future and I'm like, this is going to sell a billion copies, would have been tempting. Hell yeah. Billion dollars, very tempting. Would I have done it? No, because I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't. I just had this exact conversation. Excuse me. Last night with Jen Cohen, she called me, we were talking about her whole, her, you know, a snowboarding and her kiteboarding that she's doing and stuff like that. That started the conversation, got into investing and then she started to give me a little bit of shit about, I've turned down like all, and I've even brought it to you guys because I know you guys would turn it down right away too. And she's like, hey, what's up with you? Shitting on every investment that I send your way and stuff like that. I know you guys are all doing this. And I was like, well, Jen, the products you're sending me there. And she's like, they're so good. She's like, one of them was the axle and like some of these popular products and we have investment opportunity in them. And I said, and I told her the story about my best friend's mother, my best friend's mother who was basically like my mother. She passed away just a few years now, four years ago now. And she battled with obesity her whole life. And she literally, and I remember as a kid, like she had this room or this loft that was, all it was was dedicated to fitness tools. And this was a long before I ever became a personal trainer. Later on in my life, I become a personal trainer and was always trying to help her. And she was always buying the next fitness tool that came out, yet still always struggling with her weight. And I was always trying to explain to her mom, this is not the answer. It's not the next Norda track or the next Shake Weight or the next tool that is gonna get you in great shape. We have to dial in things or diet ball. And so because of that, I think I feel even more passionate about those things. It's not that the, I don't believe, it's not that I don't think the axle is really cool for some people or that some athletes can use it or like some people have gotten great shape, fine. My point is over 90% of the population, those tools are not the answer for what they're the problem they're trying to solve. No, we're interested in root solutions, root cause solutions, not symptomatic, throw more garbage at people, take advantage of it. There's already plenty of novelty out there. Yeah, and it just counters our integrity. Like, okay, we only have a commercial for PRX, but I'm gonna bring them up anyway. They sell equipment, but what they did is they took equipment that's been around forever. It's effective, it's very versatile. Made it more convenient. And just solve the problem, which is space. It's always been a problem. Oh, free weights, I love them, I don't have the room. They solve that issue. So, okay, we'll work with you. Do you know how many pieces people don't know this? Do you know how many pieces of exercise equipment or fitness tools have been presented to us? I mean, all the time. We say no every time, because that's not the solution to the problem. Unless it truly is something that I'm like, wow, that is solving a problem that we've had, that we haven't really be able to solve with traditional exercise or whatever. In which case I could say, okay, I could see some value there, but it just doesn't work. And the answer isn't, you know, if you have issues with your body weight or body fat or health or fitness, the solution is not the next diet. The solution is not the next cool exercise tool. The solution is diet and exercise, but the root of that is relationship with yourself, relationship with food. Why do I find this so challenging? Why do I do this from a place of health, of hate, and not self-care? And how can I develop strategies to modify my behavior so this is long-term and consistent? And then when you do that, I don't care what the tool is. I don't care if you use shake weights or, you know, I think there's better equipment, but if that's what you use consistently and that's the only way that you exercise, guess what? Shake weights awesome. Right, right. I don't care if it's keto diet, but if that's what works best for you and you're able to stay consistent, you have a good relationship with it, guess what? I'm cool, I'm a fan of keto in that particular situation. So that's really the key here, but yeah, it's tough. And now look, maybe I am opening this up. Maybe I am opening up to where people are going to present more shit to us, but I'm going to tell you right now, we're probably going to shit on what you send us, but if you want the opportunity, go for it. Yeah, go for it. And I'll do this. If you can handle the heat. And I'll do this. I applaud it. If it makes sense, I'll put it on the show here, we'll show your piece of equipment and we'll tear it down if you're okay with that. And maybe you'll be the one out of a billion where we say, hey, this is really great. I applaud anybody who tries that hard, you know, to put themselves out there and you know, put all their efforts into an idea and actually actualize it. Like that's a rigorous, crazy process to go through a lot of challenges where they're going to say no to you every step of the way. And if you can make it through all those knows and keep pushing through, then you know, you're going to make it. It doesn't even really matter what the product is. That's a hundred percent. So if this person gets attention, we posted the video, somebody sees it and says, hey, I can market this in a way. And then they sell tons and tons of pieces of this equipment. You know, I stand by what I said, however, congratulations. I mean, that's a tough bro. Starting any business, putting your money out there, but more than that, it's like putting your ego out there. You know, it's like approaching. It's like when you're a young kid and you approach a girl and you want to ask her out. Like you are, you are setting yourself up, dude, for no. It's like you start with some fives and you do way up. You're going to attend and you're like, oh. Yes. I was ready. You just went to attend, dude. Do you guys remember the first time? Like you really put it out there and a girl just crushed your dream. Do you remember that? Yeah, soul crushing. Yeah, I remember it was, I want to say sixth or seventh grade. I think it was seventh grade dance. And there was this girl that I always kind of liked. I was like, oh, she's, and I was never shy. So I'd always talk to girls, but this was the first time I really, like, I really put it out there. So she was there and I went up to her and I'm like, hey, you want to dance? And she's like, okay. So I'm like, oh, shit, this is great. So I'm like dancing with her. And then I'm like kind of talking to her. And then she cut me off. She was like, I'm just, I'm not really interested in you. I was like, half of the song was still left. So I had to dance quietly, bro. I was like, oh, okay. Well, half of the song. I was like, what do I do, bro? I'll never do that in the middle of the song again. You should have been like, you know what, I gotta go to the bathroom and just say bounce on her. Hey, you guys know me, right? Persistent. So on the back of my head I was like, do I just keep trying? You're like, well, not now, all right, but maybe. Yeah. Well, what would make you interested? Well, what is the one thing that's stopping you from that? That's right. Yeah. No objections. Anyway. That didn't happen to me until I was in my 20s. I mean, I grew, you remember. Everybody said yes up until then. Hey, hey. They always said yes. Hey, no, no, listen, that's not that cocky. It's just that I grew up in a very small town. So like, you girls didn't have a lot of choices. You remember the school, you had like 100-something kids. I feel you on that a lot. There was like five girls. You know what I'm saying? The girls were just like, yeah, I gotta date this guy or I'm not dating anybody, you know? And then you get cocky. And then like, yeah. That's right. And that's what happened too. And I was like, you know, approach this girl. And she's like, yeah, you know, you seem like a nice guy and everything, but I'm just, yeah, I don't, I don't not attracted to you. Whoa. I'm like, whoa. That can happen. Yeah. Crushed me. You didn't say anything, dickish back, right? No, no, no. She's like, actually really, like my friend really likes you. Oh. And then I was just like, really? And then I saw her friend. I was like, oh, I'm good. Sorry. But you still felt better. But I felt better. Yeah. You know, at least you didn't reply with something mean. No, I don't do that. I hate it when kids do that. Guys do that. Oh, yeah. Your whole nagging thing and all that. Such bullshit. Be nice, dude. What's up, everybody? New promotion for the month. And this is why I'm going to give it away as well. So right now one of you can get what's on sale for free. Map starter and the prime bundle. So map starter is a great way to start your strength training journey. So it's a great way to get into resistance training. And then the prime bundle includes maps prime and mass prime pro. These are great for correctional exercise, improving mobility. 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Back to talking to Jen, which by the way, this girl, you know that she had, I wasn't telling you something else, but before that it just reminded me like she got Mark Cuban to roll up to her house and do a private interview just him at her house. That girl is so fricking talented when it comes to stuff like that. She's really good. You know what it is? She's really good at making you feel like, what's the word? Like important, like she cares, like her relationship. And she doesn't forget and she's very attentive. Yeah, no, she's not somebody that, because we've encountered this when we first started the podcast with nobody and on our way up, there were people that were above us that treated us like idiots or like shit, which was great when we surpassed them because then we got to like, never reply to them, never help them, whatever. This is what happens. Jen's not like that. Like she treats everybody very well. And I think that's a character. It's a part of her character. Yeah, yeah. But the reason I was bringing her up, she actually was telling me, she was talking to me about Caldera Labs. She actually just met them and she says, did you know that you guys are their biggest producer for revenue? Wow. Yeah. I was like, how are you guys, you know what's crazy about that, Jen? I was like, they, I don't remember who from their team sent product to us. It was in the studio for a long time before. Skincare never would be a thought. None of us, none of us were even that interested in it. And I remember one day my psoriasis was bothering me really bad. And I used, I used it and I was like, oh my God, I noticed my skin from it right away. And then I started using it on a regular basis. And then you started, you started hammering us about it. Yeah. Well, then I sort of took a long time. Yeah. I kept telling you guys and I'm like, hey, I want to try it. This product really wants to work with us. I'm like, I use it every day. So I feel good about talking about it. So I was like, and I don't know if it's going to do any, I remember telling you guys like it could bomb for our audience. They maybe nobody else cares or what doesn't like it like I do or whatever. I said, but I want to try it. And it was actually the first, I believe it's the first partnership we ever did. We're only one of us was initially using it. Normally we all have to like, there's like two buttons. Yeah. There has to be at least two or three of us. You were pretty adamant. Yeah. And then since then they've been a great partnership. She said, yeah, I did. I guess we were like their biggest producer. I had no idea. You know what? I think, well, two things. It's a good product. And I know this because a lot of our, so my wife who, I'm not a skincare person. So I don't have a lot of experience. I like it, but what do I compare it to? Right? My wife stole mine. So now we have our own. She uses a lot of stuff. So she likes it. And so that's the message is I get, is that people who use skin care products, so they have a good product. And then also I think men are low key interested in having better skin. You know, especially I think as you get older, I think it's just like, you just start to notice like how, you know, you're growing hair in your ears and like, you know, your body's just going through all this metamorphosis. And you're like, I got to slow this down. You know, wrinkles coming out of nowhere. I'm squinty all the time and all this stuff's happening. You know, it's just one of those things you start looking at. Well, maybe I can like solve some issues here. The worst is when we have like throwback pictures from when we started the podcast. Yeah. I look at that. I'm like, wow. You're so youthful. Dude, I walk into a vortex where time moves twice as fast. I'm like, no, I was six years ago. Why does it look like it was 20 years ago? I know dude. What's the health? Accelerated. I was cut by Vicki, right? Yeah. Okay. So we were, I started taking copper because we did that test, the hair test. Yeah. And my copper was a little low. And one of the symptoms of low copper is a deep pigmentation. So your, your hair will be, you can get more white hair or it's lighter or that kind of stuff. Like, I should have a lot of white hairs. I wonder if I'm going to notice a difference. So I started taking, it's been like maybe three or four months. And I've definitely noticed that I'm less white hairs. I don't think I'm going to get rid of my white hairs, but definitely less. So I was getting my hair cut and Vicki's like, wow, I really can tell a difference. I could really tell a difference. Your hair is much darker. And I'm like, okay. I said, but is it also that I'm losing my hair? So I wonder if the, I wonder if the white ones are abandoning shit. I think the white ones at first, at first the white hairs are like, that captain, we, what do we do? Like get rid of pigmentation, keep holding strong. And I'm like, captain, we can't keep hold of it. All right, jump ship. Let's get out of here. All right. So I asked her, I said, is it that the white ones go? Are the white ones falling out? Or what's going on? She goes, overall they're darker, but you are losing your hair too. Thanks Vicki. I appreciate that. You can look it out. I know. What are you going to do? All those bald jokes. They're going to get me. They are going to get you. You're waiting. People are going to be able to go back and listen to earlier podcasts. They're like, oh, Adam's been waiting patiently, waiting patiently for that one. You're waiting patiently for that one. Speaking of bald heads, Justin, there's a note up there about some skin head movement that you brought up a little time ago. Well, or is it past its, it's yeah, well, it's relevancy, but yeah, I just ran across like the beginning of the movement of, of skin head movement. So it's, everybody knows it as like this racist, you know, neo-nazi kind of movement that came to the States. But when it originated, it was actually in England and it was like an anti-fascist, like anti-racist movement. What? That was the origin? The origin of it was, yeah, they were, they're protesting, you know, racism and, and fascism and all that stuff in the beginning. And then somewhere around the line, these Nazi characters took it on and then just ran with it. I didn't know that. So it's interesting to me just because, that's fascinating. You think about like causes and movements and things that we've seen. And of course, right now, there's like a million of them, you know, like every single day, it's like, what are those, you know, who's going to latch onto those and then maybe twist it and turn it in a completely different direction. That's very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Are you fact-checking that, Doug? I am. I haven't seen anything yet that a firmer denies. Oh, Justin's lying. Oh, please. You know what? I've never been wrong. He's right. He's right. Fact-check that. Every time he says some crazy shit, he's at the wrong point. I just don't say it. You do that or Justin wants to shave his head real bad. Yeah. I read this like distinctively. That's really fascinating. That happens with a lot of different things where you'll, you'll see the roots of something where it starts and then it turns into something else. Doesn't mean it's the same as the roots, obviously. Well, yeah, obviously they completely shifted in the opposite direction, but I just thought that was weird because it's just the association. You're just like, you see somebody, like especially a white guy with like a shaved head. It's like, oh. Imagine somebody who was in the middle of that transition. That would be... They're all confused. How fucked is that? One year you were on one side and everybody was all supportive of what you were doing. The next year you're like, you're hating it. Guys, you're going this way. Like, no, no. We're going this way. Wow. Well, speaking of these movements, you guys hear about, what's his name? Sean King. He's that dude that... Did the BLM stuff and then he used the money to get a... Okay, so people don't know. He's a white dude that got in trouble for saying he wasn't white. And anyway, long story short, he took donated money for... It was either BLM or something along those lines. It was BLM. And spent it really ridiculously. One thing that they found was he took $40,000 to buy it on a dog. And this was from money from those funds. I feel like we're slowly seeing where all that money went. What a piece of crap. Yeah. I've heard multiple reports now of where some of that... Because lots of money got donated to BLM. And because it had... There was no clarity of where it was going in the very beginning. That was always alarming to me. I'm like, okay, so obviously you're gathering funds, but there was no lists of where the money was going to be delegated. Yeah. That's what you have to be careful. Whenever there's a powerful sentiment or movement, there's always hucksters that jump on swindlers or whatever you want to call them, grifters. And they're like, oh, cool. Let me jump on this and collect. And then because it's got good intentions or good feelings behind it, nobody checks. Well, you know, power money. You see the most recent bill they're trying to pass right now? Or... Okay, can I just laugh at this real quick? They passed a inflation reductionary bill that increases spending. It hasn't passed yet. Okay. It hasn't passed yet. We're trying to... We explain it first, yeah. So it's almost like guys, we're going to fight obesity by giving everyone donuts. We're going to add more of the problem to the problem to solve the problem. $500 billion, okay? $500 billion. And it's broken up into like four major categories. You know, we're one of the big categories. $80 billion. You want to guess where it's going? Overseas. IRS. Okay. Now, let me tell you why that's so crazy. Do you want to know what the total IRS budget is for employees? Everything is right now? Before this. Before this. How much? $18 billion. Fuck. So they are trying... They are talking about five X-ing almost. Oh my God. The IRS. And then the 40 billion of that is the direct initiative to go after like the middle class and audits. Okay. So one of these is if you have... Strip on that. If you have $600 or more... Yes. In Venmo. In Venmo. Yeah. You get checked for that by the IRS. That is not the billionaires. You know when they say, oh, we're going to go after billionaires aren't using $600 transactions on Venmo. Nobody gives a shit. That's the average person. Okay. So that's why what's so alarming about this is the tax code is already written for the wealthy with real estate and investment. Oh, it's... So this whole initiative is like literally going to... You're talking about conspiracy theories. They're weaponizing the IRS big time, dude. Setting it up to go after middle class. I mean, this is going to absolutely just... Dude, you... Think about that. $18 billion is... And they're going to $80 billion. That is... The gap is just getting insane. And so... And the IRS's claim is that they will recoup over $200 something billion a year by this initiative. So two things. One, when interest rates go up, that means the interest on our debt... They're coming. The interest on our debt also goes up. So they have to find a way to collect more money. So that's a fact. Number two, this is a terrible strategy, but it is a strategy nonetheless. To reduce inflation, take money out of the market by taxing people more. But this is like cutting your head off because you have a tumor on your foot. So it's like, I'm going to kill myself. This is like the worst answer. Terrible. Yes, terrible. Well, what's terrible too is that they spin it as if they're going... Because, you know, the narrative is like, you know, tax the wealthy and the rich. But that's not... That's not who's going to get... You're not going to get the money. That's not who's going to feel it. I don't understand. Okay, why... I think you brought it up on time. And I thought, you know, that's a really good idea. That's just why... Why would you not just slap a luxury tax on things? I agree with that. A luxury tax on things that cost a million dollars. So when you buy a yacht... Like when you buy a yacht or you buy helicopters or planes... A car that's over $100,000 or, you know, shit like that, right? First class tickets. Mega mansion. Yeah, like, just slap extra taxes on those things. First off, you know, very wealthy people don't care. They're going to go buy a yacht or whatever. Also, that targets them. The average person ain't buying a yacht. Yeah. Nobody gives a shit about that. Selfie. Plus, you're not taxing investments. That's right. You're taxing their purchasing. You're not... Yeah, you're not... You're not just weighing them from... Innovating, building your businesses. Yeah. It's when they go buy toys or do luxury-type things, you slap on it a couple extra percent. And by the way, a couple extra percent on a, you know, $500 million yacht is a hell of a lot more money than going after, you know, a thousand people who make 60 grand a year. Space rockets. Yeah. You know? It's because they really don't want to. Yeah. The other thing too is when you look at the tax code, there's a certain amount that we'll collect. And if we tax more, we don't necessarily collect more because overall economic activity drops. In other words, 15 percent of $100,000 is less than 10 percent of $200,000, right? So what we see oftentimes is we'll drop taxes and then because economic growth goes up or drop tax rates, I should say, economic growth goes up, we actually collect more money as a result. So really what this is, it's a, with the tax code, it's this kind of shell game. And we need to understand that these, the people that are most influential that, you know, that work with government are the very people they pretend to go after, which are the very wealthy, the very connected. And look, you look at the tax code, it's complicated and confusing for a reason. If they really wanted to help the average person, the tax code will be as simple as hell. Simple. 10 percent. Everybody pays 10 percent. So if you make below this, then you don't pay taxes or you get some help from the government. But they don't want it that way. It's complicated as hell. So the only people that wouldn't maneuver around it and figure it out, people with the money to hire people and figure the shit out. They can position bills like this to make you think that they're going out there to go get after the rich when they really are not. The other thing too that really annoys a shit of me is if you look at some of these bills, they're like this thick, like just pages, and they'll say, we need to pass this now. People need help. So Congress people literally have a week to figure this out. Oh wait, should we pass it? Should we not? And then they have the pressure because they're like, you guys, it's a fucking inflation bill. We need to reduce inflation. This needs to pass tomorrow. So they pass it without seeing what's in it. Well, yeah, that's the thing. It's the transparency. That's always been my issue with tax and giving money. It's like, if I'm giving this money to go towards what is promoted, like I want to see where that's going to end up. I want to see somebody managing that appropriately versus like in the private sector, you do see a lot more transparency. You have a little bit more of like, okay, I could see, you know, what their reports are. It's like, we don't get those reports. Yeah, nobody invests money worse or spends money worse than somebody who has zero consequences for doing a shitty job. There's no accountability. Well, if you're a government agency, so I'll use two scenarios. If you're a private company and let's say you're spending a million dollars a year on putting your product out. And then the report comes back. You're looking at your profit and losses and you're like, we lost half a million dollars. We're in the red. We're tanking. Your investors are going to be like, we're not giving you any more money until you figure this out. Now, if you're a government agency and your budget is a million dollars and you go spend a million dollars and you do a shitty job, you go back and say, it's because we don't have enough money. And here's the reverse. If they give you a million dollars and you only spend half a million dollars, then they say, oh, you didn't need the money. So the incentive is more and the incentive is waste. There is no incentive to be effective at all. So it just keeps exploding and it's just insane. It makes me go back and forth. I know this week in the forum, Helen's interviewing me and we're going to talk like all real estate stuff. And it's like, I feel like I flip-flop on how I feel every week because of news like this. I mean, just a week ago, I was talking to a friend about the real estate market, what I think is going to happen. We're in a recession right now even though it's been changed that we're technically not. We are. We're in a recession now. I think that we're in the summertime already. Demand is dropping significantly when it's the hottest time and then the wintertime is already a time when we start to see it kind of slow down or go down. So my prediction was, oh, 10 to 30%, we're going to see a drop at the end of this year. But then you hear stuff like this coming out and if we pass another bill and we put another 500 billion into the system like that, people are going to, you're going to still see investors race towards assets. And right now you still have 25%. So a quarter of the buying is still coming from investors. So they're still buying up. So people who don't understand this, when you see inflation go up, meaning your money is losing value. So if you have money saved in the bank and you do nothing but save that money, you're actually losing money because that money is losing value and the value is going down faster and faster as inflation goes up. So smart investors and investors who have this capability. Now consider this, the average American doesn't have this ability because the average American pays their bills, saves a little bit, has some credit card debt. They don't have all this extra money to play this game. But people who have a lot of money, this is what they do. They say, I have a million dollars. I'm not going to just save it because it's losing money every single month with inflation. So let me put it in an asset. Let me buy property or stocks. So as inflation goes up, investors rush to invest it in things that tend to follow the inflation, like houses, stock market, stuff like that. So then what that does is it inflates assets even more. Who gets screwed? This is one of the reasons why you're seeing a bigger and bigger gap between the wealthy and people who are not wealthy. Because if you're wealthy, you can play this game. Inflation, you look at inflation as a problem and you have the ability to kind of solve it. But when you're, you know, you weather it out. When you're working and you're making an hourly wage and you're paying your bills and you're saving a little bit every single month, you're like, what do I do? Like, I just got to cut my expenses. Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Make more per hour, but I'm already working so many hours. Well, historically, what goes up must come down. And we always have these markets where it's like, okay, we've been on this bull run forever. Now we're going to start to see a bear market come around. But then we also are in this crazy time where we've never been, we've never been printing money like this before. So like then there's that, so there's that other part of me that goes like, God, is it going to keep running longer before? Are we going to kick the can down the road even further? Have you seen some of the inflation in other places? Is it Argentina? I want to say Argentina, 60% inflation. Maybe Doug, you could double check that. Yeah, there's a couple that are up there. Could you imagine? No. And then runaway inflation is when inflation gets to the point where the average consumer is like, they know that everything's just going to get way more expensive tomorrow. So they go and buy everything they can now. And then that makes it accelerate. And then you get this inflation that's almost impossible to control. Yeah. Turkey has 78.6%. Argentina is 60.7%. Are you looking at the list that has us on there too? Because we're like 20 something. We're not even, are you looking at that list? I'm looking at all the different countries. We're down the list. I don't see us, but I'm sure we're on it. Yeah. I mean, obviously ours is up, but it ain't 60%. Well, yeah, but then I question like is that because we have changed the definition of what it is, right? And we're really more like 70%. Do they factor that in? I don't know. Like, so it's like, Argentina more true to what, like what inflation looks like. And then we're more like, oh. Well, you see, gas prices are going down again. But you know why, right? Demand for gas is going down. That's right. Yeah. So people spending less money on gas, less, you know, people flying less, that kind of stuff. So the prices of gas are going down. This is what, so I really enjoy, I don't know how, if you guys, I know I've introduced you to Chris Nagibi, who I've mentioned on the show a couple of times. The thing he keeps saying and trying to explain, and he argues with like Dave Ramsey's and some of these other people that are still pushing the real estate agenda like it's going to keep going up. And he's like, you know, there's no demand. The demand is like going down. Yeah. So you could talk all this stuff about supply supply because that's everyone's argument right now. Yeah. It's all supply side. Yeah. We're behind on supply so much. There's five, we're five million homes below, we're behind on supply. So as long as supply is there, we don't catch up. The demand will stay there. And he's like, there's no such thing as demand without affordability. Right. And we're keep moving it up so much that we're moving the affordability out of most people. And so the demand is diving. And you're seeing that right now with consumers. Consumers aren't using, spending gas as much. They're not buying houses. They're backing out of houses they were about to buy. So you're just seeing demand go down like crazy. So I'm, that's the other part of it because, okay, well, if demand keeps going this direction, then we will see that at the end of the year. But if we also see these bills get passed where we all of a sudden flood the market again, then what happens is, okay, instead of 25% investors buying houses, it goes to 30 or 40%. Wow. And so it keeps the, keeps inflating the assets. All right. Well, let's have some fun. Let's get conspiracy theory stuff. We've got to play with conspiracy theory. But as well, we threw everything at it today. Yeah. Now this is, this is all speculation stuff, but there's a book called that I highly recommend if you're into this kind of stuff. It's a true, this is true stuff. So this is in conspiracy, but it's called the creature from Jekyll Island. Yeah. I highly suggest you read that. It's how the Federal Reserve was created. And the Fed is another book by Ron Paul. That one's pretty good. But the creature from Jekyll Island, I super recommend. A lot of people have no idea how we ended up with the central bank to begin with. Yeah. But if, if, if you were to, because, okay, so we have what's called a fiat currency, meaning in most countries now do money that's backed by nothing. Okay. Because dollars used to be backed by gold. In other words, if you had a dollar, you could trade it in for a dollar's worth of gold. And that controlled money because you couldn't print more money if you didn't have more gold. It was connected. We severed those ties. So now it's called, what's called a fiat currency. What's the petrodollar first? Well, it's still, it's not really connected to anything. Well, it was connected to oil for a short period of time. Meaning you have to buy oil with dollars. Yeah. But that doesn't mean we can't just print more. Right. Right. Okay. So it's a fiat currency because typically no fiat currency has stood the test of time because eventually they just print, print, print, print. Yeah. It gets destroyed and they have to come up with a new solution. If you were to, if you were to put together a plan to say, let's destroy all paper money, all big currencies, so that we could replace it with a very easily, easily controllable and trackable digital currency. Yeah. I swear to God, they would do exactly what they're doing right now. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. What they're doing now is what you would do is you would just print, print, print, print, print, print, print. Let it collapse. Everybody panics. And then introduce a Federal Reserve, cryptocurrency, digital, all paper money gone. You have until the end of this year to turn in your paper currency to trade it in for digital. After that, it's worthless and illegal to use. This is what they do with gold at one point where you had to go to bring it to the bank. This is what you would do. You would just print the shit out of it until the people are like, oh my God, save us. And then they'd say, here's your, that's conspiracy theory over. I don't even know if that's a conspiracy theory, dude. We are literally heading in that direction. Yeah, but I'm saying it would be intentional. Dude, every world leader loves the idea of the social credit score. I mean, it's like the ultimate way to survey the population and keep a good idea of what everybody is up to, what their spending habits are. Every big business wants data. That's the biggest thing that's the asset these days is everybody's data. And they're selling it. And so I just think it's inevitable that they're gonna keep dripping ways to get towards closer to the social credit score. Yeah, if you had only digital currency and there was no other way to trade in goods and services legally, you could track anything. And you could control anything. It's way more appealing if you're in power. You could literally say, Justin Andrews, you were limited from using your digital currency except for food and housing. Because you are whatever. You're limited to this region. You can't spend outside. You're not allowed to go. And anywhere you go, it would show up. And they could control markets. They'd be able to control markets. You could theoretically put an AI machine in charge of reading signals and centrally controlling economies and doing all that stuff. So you still see all these emergency acts in place. It's easy to shut things down. It's great. It's fun. I know. So I don't know. It's very interesting. We're going to go even deeper down this hilarious rabbit hole or whatever. Isn't there like a something in the Bible that says that people have the marks? Yeah, the mark of the beast. On your arm or something like that? If you don't have it outside of you. It's some kind of chip. Yeah, so it's interesting. Some of the prophecy and things, if you go back and kind of read through it all and create, obviously you have to kind of interpret it in modern day times and kind of see like how all of these nations are interacting. There's a lot of interesting correlations there, for sure, if you like read it all. Weird. What do you got for us with our Doug? Yeah, it's Revelation 1317. So that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark. The name of the beast or the number of its name. There you go. Wow. Wow, that's weird. Oh, yeah, that was the ingredient in the vaccine. What are they naming it that for? Why, dude? Come up with a different name. What's wrong? They could have named it anything. They could have named it anything. That's all I'm saying. Hey, listen, we got a new pill. It's really awesome. It makes you feel great. It's called Satanoli. Anyway. Oh, pick a different name, bro. You're freaking us out. Yeah, my Biazaba bucks, dude. We got to pay with my Biazaba bucks. Hey, speaking of people in power and control, did you see Amazon? Amazon made a big purchase. They did iRobot. Pull this up for me. Or is it all? Is this a dishwashing robot? No, no, no. Maybe though it's going to go that direction. It's the, you know, the company of the little hover, the little hover thing. I think it's called iRobot. I think it's what it's called. Like the Roomba type thing? Yes. Yes, a Roomba. Oh, and it goes around cleanly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big purchase on it. Can you pull it up and pull an article? Hey, we had one. We stopped using it because it scared the radius. Well, everyone told me. Okay, so what was your experience with it? Because I have yet to meet somebody who like swears by it. Like, oh, it's amazing. Oh, I have family members that do. Oh, yeah. My parents love it. They're trying to sell me on it. I'm going to, I actually want to try it out and see if it's. Okay. So what do they say that it's like, oh my God, it just keeps house so clean here? Yeah. Because it's just constant. Any maps out your house. Actually, you get to every corner. So I could see where it could be really valuable is like if you had some, my other house used to have like these dark wood floors. And we've always had pets and their hair was like that. Exactly. And I used to have to get the house clean on a weekly basis because if you didn't mop those floors, they would look so dirty because the hair on the dark wood floor. And like the kids running in and out the dogs, like it's just a constant thing where you got the battle dirt and hair and everything else. So more conspiracy theory, but not really theory, because this is from Bloomberg. It says that these things are mapping your home. So they're not really buying a vacuum cleaner. They're buying something that's going to map your home. Yes. Oh, damn it. So that's okay. Come on, Doug. No, it's right here in Bloomberg. No, Doug's right. This is why I brought this up because I knew why this was a big, big deal was because they're like, how is Amazon going to use this? Like it's not like it's not like a tool they really necessarily need, but it's supposed to be able to connect with Siri and stuff. Or not Siri, but what's theirs? There is Alexa. Alexa, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, so. Wait, so let me let's think. Okay, so what's the value? First off, your house where you live, you already know where to put it. Well, then you could do this. You would know. But I guess you could see what's in the house, right? You could see where there's chairs, where there's furniture, where there's people. You could see, okay, if you pair it with Amazon, you would be able to now find out people that own houses at this size and have this type of furniture by these types of things. So you can start to narrow down even more specific avatar, right? Yeah, so you can more deliberately market. Yeah, yeah. So somebody who owns a 1700 square foot house buys these types of pieces of furniture or buys these things. Wow. So you would know that, right? Now what if. That would be valuable for Amazon. Somebody would buy that. I'm going to talk to Justin right now because he likes this. What if. It's my article. No, no, no. Because you're going to shit on what I'm about to talk about. What I'm about to talk about. What if this Roomba, it pulls up hairs and it pulls up dead skin, gets your fucking DNA. And it sends it to Amazon. Plants it at a crime scene. And it sends it to Amazon. Now they know your DNA, dude. Well, okay. That's the clone army. I'm going to take you guys on a ride. Okay. So you guys know the 23 and me? Yeah. You're right. And you know how. I just took a tree to order those. Yeah. Did you use a fake name? I don't know. You need to use a fake name. Do you guys know they found the golden state killer? What? From like 23 and me. Like really? DNA. Like so the relative, I guess, they've found like trace DNA that was like, I guess they couldn't identify exactly who it was, but they were able to kind of correlate it somehow to the killer and trace it back. So they actually used that because it, you know, willingly people were given their DNA to this company. And then they were able to kind of use that against them in court. Wow. Yeah. That's fascinating. Yeah. It's like good. Sometimes there's good things that happen out of these conspiracies, but. My favorite. I didn't even know what killer that was. Golden state killer. Yeah. So, you know, what's his name? Pat Nazwal. And I think his wife was writing a book about it and everything. Um, but yeah, it was here. Obviously golden state. So was it Bay Area central or was it all up and down the state details? I think California is golden. Right? It's golden state. Yeah. Don't we have a, don't we have a sports team? Yes. State Warriors. My favorite, while Doug looks at it, my favorite are I have friends and family members that'll go do 23 and me. And then all of a sudden be proud of some like 10 percent heritage or some shit they didn't know about. Like I have a buddy that, you know, Kamala Harris do there. No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't Kamala was, uh, what's her name? I mean, I have a buddy. Yeah. And he's like, you know, I'm like seven percent Cherokee. Like you're still Chad. Like you're still Chad. Shut up. Well, this is where I found out. It was more Scottish than it was. Like I'm barely any Irish. So I had to like change my whole, even though it's just like, so I want to do over. I want to do it. I literally took a train like two nights ago. I said, could you order the 23 me for you and I? And she goes, why? And I'm like, you know, I honestly want to build our family tree and stuff. Nobody in my family is like, I literally, I've let's guess, let's guess what you got. You know, you got, I know I have Mexican and German. Yeah. Those are the two main, the main. Let's add some more in there. Let's throw some in. You think you have any Italian? I do actually. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So I know I have some of that. Yeah. French. I don't know how little it is. French. Yeah. Look, Frenchy. Little bit. The way you move. Yeah. I don't know what that means. I don't know. Speculating. Well, I mean, if you've got Mexican, you maybe have some Spanish, right? Because there's some there. Probably. Some Native American might be in there because that's close. Maybe. You have some Norwees. Dude, everybody has a little bit of viking in them. Really? Dude, I've come to conclude. They did a lot of pillaging. I mean, between them and the Mongols, it's like everybody's got a little bit of those guys. What do you see there, Doug? Yeah. So this guy, Joseph D'Angelo, with his name, pleaded guilty to 26 counts of murder and kidnapping. Oh, wow. Yeah. Did you finish that Blackboard show? I did. It was good. I liked it. I finished it last night. It was really good. You know, with my, I haven't seen it. What is that? It's a true story. It's based on a serial killer. That's why I brought it up. That's scary. For me, when it comes to family tree, literally my parents are from the same town in Sicily. Oh, wow. And I know everybody all the way up until... Did they grow up at the same school? No. My mom came here when she was four. So my dad was there. That's crazy. They're from the same town where they met in America? Well, yes. Because, okay. A trip. You guys need... Well, it's a small... I'll tell you guys a little bit about what's going on. Okay. So my parents... Your sister's really your brother, who's really your uncle, who's really your aunt. His tree just goes... I'm my own... No, no, no. There's two branches. There's two branches. I'm my own uncle. No, that's not what happened. So they're both from Bagaria, which is a town in Sicily. My mom came here when she was four. Her cousin married my dad's cousin. Okay. So they met at a party, because my mom went back then when she was 18, and she went to a party where it was an engagement party, where her cousin was married my dad's cousin. That's where my parents met. They didn't really meet though. My dad saw her, told his cousin, hey, I like her. Her cousin told her. And they're engaged. So this is old school society. So they didn't even say anything to each other. And she said, yeah, I'll go out with them. They've never talked, and then she can make an engagement. This is how old school Sicilian, and my family's old school, even for Sicilian standards. So they... That's it. That was it. They're together. So the first time they really met, they went on a walk. You ever seen the Godfather where they're going to walk and the whole family's following him? That was my parents. Wow. Literally went on a walk. Aunt's, uncle's, grandma, grandpa, kids, niece and nephews, following them. And they're just kind of walking and getting to know each other. They're already engaged, essentially. And my mom tells a story how she... I know where I'm going on a left here, but they went around a corner of a building, and my dad kissed her real fast. And my mom got so scared that her dad was going to find out because I would have been really bad. But anyway, so going back, they're both from Sicily. Now, the only thing is that my mom's side of the family, at some point came from Milan or Northern Italy, because they have... There's a castle up there that's Visconti. Visconti canceled. My mom's... That's my mom's maiden name. So at some point, my mom's side hundreds of years ago came down to Sicily. My dad is far back as we know. Isn't there a crazy statistic around like arranged marriages like that? Like they're way more successful. They weren't... It's not technically arranged. But culturally, yes. It's kind of. You know what I'm saying? The family approved and all that. You know, I read an interesting article on that. You know what they think that is? Because your family knows you better than you know yourself. No. I mean, let's be honest, when you're like 16, 17. Okay. You have a... Arranged marriages divorce rate less than 4%. Less than 4%? Yeah. Holy shit. So I read... 96% success? Yeah. So I read... Wow. I read a study, not a study article on this. Made a lot of sense. That's crazy. So the modern western view of marriage is I'm going to marry someone that's going to make me happy. Oh, right. That's going to complete me. Right. That we're going to whatever. The old school view of marriage was I'm going to marry this person. We're a partnership. We're raising a family. And we're going to do life together. Yeah. So what happens when you... And this article actually made a good case. When you think you're going to marry someone and their job is to make you happy and you're always going to be happy, you're going to be let down. Yeah. And you're going to be crushed and you're going to see the grass is green on the other side. When you are like, this is just what it's like. It's going to be hard. We got to raise kids. We got to do this or whatever. Yeah. You're more likely to stick it out and then culturally in those places, divorce is very, very... That's like a big deal. We present like this love is like this crazy romantic, you know, like magical feeling. Yeah. No, totally. And that it's like an act where other places like that, like you choose to like... I remember when as a young adult when I first learned that, that I mean, for as long as I could remember as a kid, I always thought like, you fall in love. And then that's it. And then that's it. It's like, oh, I haven't fallen in love yet. I mean, I thought that forever. And then later on, I was like, love is no, it loves an action. You choose to love somebody. Yes. And I went, what? Yeah. This whole time I've been waiting. If you're going to be married to somebody for 50 years or whatever, you think you're going to like that person all the time? All the time? No. You're going to look at periods of it and you're not going to like each other. And it might last years. You might have a two, three year period that something's tough or whatever. You're going through something. Everybody goes through stuff. You go from, you know, age 25, let's say you get married until you're 85. You think you're not going to change drastically and they're not. There's no way you're going to be in love the whole time. You're going to, there's going to be times you don't like each other. There's going to be times, times of friction, but you end up like working together, growing. Like my parents now is wonderful to see them now. They get each other. When I was a kid, oh my God, it was fireworks, you know. Well, isn't that wild? That's not highlighted more like the 96% success rate versus ours, which is a 50-50 shot. Well, you know the divorce market, you know, yeah, they want to do the other statistic of all the things. You know how big the divorce market is? Yeah, for lawyers. You know how much money is in the divorce market? Massive. Yeah, my sister-in-law is in that market. Yeah. There's a lot of incentive to keep that market, you know, going. There's not that much money and not letting people, you know, encouraging people to kind of work it out. Now, do you remember, because obviously you were born into a family like this. Like, do you remember making that connection even at a young age, or did that really come full circle for you later in life? Later. It came more later. I mean, I, it was so frowned upon for me that, and I got married too young, obviously, that I, you just, you just like, I'm gonna stick it out, you know, instead of like, I got to work on this also, because there's two parts to it. Yeah, you stick it out. That doesn't mean you don't work on it, though. You got to work on it too, because at some point. So, yeah, no, I figured that out a little later. Yeah. Yeah, because I was young. I was, what the hell was I, 22? Like, I'm married? I was a baby. Yeah, yeah. I was a child. Well, that's what I was wondering, it's like, when you went into it, were you like, did you look at your parents when you're in your teens and twenties like, oh my God, I would never do a formal type to go off and do my own thing. Or were you like, oh, I'm gonna fall into something very simple. I was, because I was the oldest, I was just such a deep sense of responsibility. I just thought it was what you did. So, I don't even know if I thought about it that as far as where you're going. You know what I mean? I just thought it was what you do. Oh, I'm 18. I'm an adult now. Got a good job. Save some money. Yeah, exactly. It was a deep sense of responsibility with an immaturity that didn't match or experience. Right. Inexperienced. Anyway, I got to take a turn here, because we have a new partner we're working with. So, I'll announce to everybody it's a company called Flyby Jing. And they make products that you add to food like seasonings. And Doug, what's the name of that sauce that I always use from theirs? It's the hot one. Oh, the Jiang sauce? I think it's or Jiang sauce. Oh, okay. I'm not sure how to pronounce it. Slathering that all over your steak. It's Chinese, basically. Yes. So, this company presented to us, sent us this thing. Hey, do you guys want to work with us? Again, another story where I just put it off, put it off, put it off. Doug tried it. Doug's Mr. Foodie. He's like, it's actually good, guys. You guys should try this. I don't think so. Anyway, obviously, you guys saw me. I tried it once. You've been using it every day now. Hell of good. It goes with everything. Everything. I've seen it everywhere now. I never saw it before. And then since you've been using it and swearing by it, I've seen it at Rayleigh's. I've seen it at Costco. Like, they're all over the place. Yes. So, they're a much bigger brand than I thought. I literally thought it was like some small mom-pop brand that listens to the show that sent us in some stuff originally, because I had never, I wasn't familiar with the brand. I use it. I put on it. And what I like about it is when you eat unprocessed foods, whole natural foods, you definitely look, here's the deal. Everybody likes food that tastes good, right? So, you know, even though I'm eating for health, nutrition, I still want to make it flavorful. So, I eat steak. I eat chicken. I eat vegetables. I'll eat rice. Seasonings make a big difference for me because it's something I can add afterwards or a little bit of sauce if I can add some calories. A little bit of sauce makes a big difference. So, I'm big into that kind of stuff. I know you guys are, too. Are they all spicy or are they have different, like, flavors? No. Yeah, some are sweet. Some are more savory. But my favorite one is the spicy one. It's just, I mean, I put that on everything. It's so freakin' good. I've tried it on rice. I've tried it on vegetables, meat, fish. I put it on everything. Are you and Jessica both spice lovers or are you the one who only likes spicy in the relationship? Um, actually, actually, no, she's starting to like spicy stuff. Because Katrina doesn't like spicy stuff. I love spicy stuff. So, we always have to make, I always have to do, or I have to put, like, red peppers for spicy stuff. But you put me next to someone who really likes spicy stuff. I don't like it like they do. I had a buddy who was... Doug probably has the hottest palate. Yes. He likes that shit to be hot. And then maybe me, and then maybe, I don't know, where are you at with that? I'm pretty, I can go high on the spice. I think Andrew takes the cake. Oh, my God. Have you tried Andrew's spicy that he brought from his house over here? No, no. It's not, it's a fire, and I don't mean good fire. I mean, it's literally... He's like a real Mexican. I'm like a kind of pretend a little bit. Like a mild sauce Mexican. I'm like a half Mexican. Dude, my buddy, I had a buddy who was, he was English, but his heritage was from India, right? Mm-hmm. And they can cook really spicy. I went to an Indian restaurant in Los Gatos with them. Yeah. And he walks in the back of me, he knows the cooks. And he goes, hey, he goes, I want you to make it spicy. Like, and they're like, you sure? And he goes, yes, like we eat spicy. So they bring out this curry. First off, it looked like paste. So it wasn't even liquid. It was like paste. I don't know. I got an asthma attack. I ate some of it. I swear to God. I ate some of it. And I was like, you're all anaphylactic shock. I couldn't stop. I couldn't stop. Is that wild? How some people have the tolerance? You ate the whole dish? Isn't that wild? Bro, I had some of it. I had to go to my car. Thank God I had an inhaler in there. I don't want to be like in pain while I'm like taking bites. It was painful. It was painful. But no, fly by jinx is not that spicy. Spicy to the average person likes it. The one that I like at least. But they have a few different things and they're all amazing. Hey, check this out. 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I'm doing a squat. It works on my mobility. I can go down into a deep position, perfect my form, and really hit the body without having to engage the lower back much, so it kind of takes out that element and I can focus on lower body mobility so that has become my favorite. But taking that out... No, no, no. You don't get to do two. Oh, my bad. Yeah, at least some for the rest of us. And this one, this one, so Justin, I have nothing. I'm going to test the 10 best ones. I'm going to jump in there and say Bulgarian split squat has become... It was one of those exercises, too, that I avoided for a very long time in my career. A couple of times, I remember dabbling with it in my 20s. You just grabbed 20-pound dumbbell, that's why. Yes. And then being completely truthful, that's why I didn't do it because I was so weak in that exercise that I'm like, this sucks. I don't want to do this. And so I avoided it for a long time. And then I remember I went on a kick where I was doing all unilateral work and so eliminated regular squats and unilateral, so it's one of the best ways to unilaterally train without any sort of machines or anything. So I started doing it and, boy, one, I got strong really quick and I saw some of the best development in my legs when I was doing that. And I felt really good. Like, it really... It balances you out. Yeah, I really felt... And there was a major discrepancy from left to right for me and I focused, again, on the weaker side first and really brought that strength up. And then when I went back to bilateral squatting, I noticed a huge difference. Now, I'm going to guess that the name Bulgarian split stance squat comes from the fact that we learned it from Bulgarian weightlifters. I'm assuming... I was going to say Russian, but... No, well, the Bulgarians... I'm joking. Okay. It's in the name. They were part of the... Thanks, Justin. Geez. I can't believe that one right away. Wow. Okay, no problem. Well, actually... Actually, Justin, it was the Bulgarians. They crushed in weightlifting when they were part of the Soviet Union. Yeah. And I think that's where it came from. Maybe Doug can look that up. Yeah, a good exercise. Well, I guess I got to go with kettlebells. You guys didn't leave me a whole lot. I love Bulgarians as well, but I like... Unless you can count like Camber Bar like a safety bar in terms of like a different type of a barbell that... No, she says non-barbell. Specifically... She says non-barbell. Well, then that cancels out my cool stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so I love, you know, a double-loaded kettlebell squat that's... You know, it's not necessarily a goblet squat, but it's just front-loaded. So here... Yeah, and so I'm in the rack position and I can get some good depth with that. Just... It keeps everything nice and centrally loaded and also too. Like it's just... It feels more controlled in a natural way to hold your wrist. Like in the front-loaded squat, you know, a lot of times you get in that, you know, flex position that's rough, but I like doing that and loading it super heavy. Oh, there it is. I want to... Yeah, there's what it... Yeah, so it was originated when the assistant coach of the Bulgarian weightlifting national team, Angel Spazov, toured the U.S. in the late 80s to speak on the training methods of the highly successful Bulgarian weightlifting system. Yeah, so it was a good guess. So I want... What I want us to comment on, because I guarantee if you were to ask a majority of other coaches and trainers in our space, they would... One of them, especially if three of them listed, one of them would have listed a hack squat that none of us did. Is there a reason why... Like a hack squat machine? Yeah, because that's... I mean, that's even in the example that she gave, you know, hack squat, goblet squat, landmine squat. We actually didn't use... We're going to build volume, but I don't see a lot of like... I don't know, in terms of like function. Now, I'm going to go more in the functional side or, you know, something I can load more specifically that I feel like, you know, puts more demand. I don't hate the hack squat. I just don't have it on my top five. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I would even throw it. You would make it... Oh, wow. You would do leg press before the hack squat? Before the hack squat, I would, because I have... I typically will do some kind of a squat variation anyway. So a hack squat is similar... It's too similar. Yeah, but we're... Okay, we're pretending that. We're pretending... Eliminating. Yeah, okay. From this person's perspective, you don't have barbell squats. You are replacing the squat, right? Yeah. And you only have a couple choices. We all listed three choices. You did the belt. I did Bulgarians. You did the... The double kettlebells. The front-loaded kettlebells. Okay. None of us did the hack squat, which is what I would say most coaches and trainers would have said. And now I'm asking you, why not that? And you can't use that as an excuse because it's replacing it. Sure, sure. So why not the hack squat and replace it with that? I... You know, the way that the hack squat machine feels to me, it... I don't get a great feel. I can see the purpose with adding volume and getting a better pump. I just don't... Like, with all the exercise we said, I get a much better feel from my legs. Maybe I would do a hack squat over what the double-loaded kettlebell squat only from a bodybuilding perspective. When it comes to functional, I think Justin's on point with that because that is a very functional movement. I mean, loading weight in front of your body and squatting has a lot of carryover. So that... To me, that's the answer I was searching for from both of you, right? Is that... And I agree with Justin is that the main reason why I didn't go that way is I went functional, right? I went a unilateral exercise that I think most people need already more in their routine. I saw huge development in my legs. So even from a bodybuilding perspective, I would still push Bulgarians. Now, if I was only focused on talking to a bodybuilder, I don't care about any... The functional side of it at all or what I think is better for a majority of people. I still rely more towards machines. Yeah, so now hack squat becomes in my rotation because you can significantly load it more than the two that we said. Maybe not the belt squat. The belt squat, you could rival that. And so that would be... The only reason why I don't like the belt squat is because it's... It's hard to find. Yeah, good luck finding that, right? I've only just started using one because I never saw one. Yeah, me too. There's been... They just recently got one at the Bernal gym, but they hadn't had one for as long as I had been lifting there. So rare to find. So... Or else I'd say that, those two for loading purposes. I still think we could change the bar up and get those cool bars that load totally differently. It's like a whole new exercise. So I think that... No, I mean, that's a good point. Yeah, the same thing. But I think the reason why this person is asking this is because they're limited, right? Of the non-barbell squat variations, which is our favorite and why. So what I'm thinking in my head is this person is like, doesn't have a squat rack or doesn't have a barbell. Yeah, so what do I do? Yeah, so what do I do? I want to know what the best exercises you do. And so Bulgarian comes to mind, to me is the number one. I just really think that even the ones you guys... Yeah, when you consider equipment, when you consider... Yes, I would agree. I like... I do prefer kettlebells over dumbbells though in terms of like, if I'm going to try and load a bit heavier and like try and rack because it just forms and fits a little bit better. Oh yeah, trying to hold a dumbbell in rack position. It's awkward. It's all like your biceps. Yeah, very, very awkward. Yeah, that's it. Okay, that's... Because I got up to doing 100-pound dumbbells on Bulgarian split squat. I worked my way all the way. But I mean, you're holding it at your side? Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's different, yeah. What I'm wondering is, could I rack 100-pound kettlebells in that loaded position? That'd be interesting. A lot more core stimulation there. Way more. I've done, yeah, and unilaterally like rack loaded one side. That's super challenging. Yes, actually, have you ever done Bulgarians and tried racking one versus the other with the same leg forward? It's a very different feel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Next question is from Sourob15. I am eating five to six egg yolks and three whites daily. Is it safe for your health? No. Totally dangerous. This is so terrible. This is the result. This question right here annoys me. Not because this person's asking me this question, but rather that this question even exists in the first place. This is 100% the result of terrible, you know, policy, of complete false policy that came out and was promoted for decades, telling us that dietary cholesterol was bad for us. It's what gave us high cholesterol. It's what contributed to heart disease and all these issues. Complete bullshit. Egg, a whole egg in particular, is literally like nature's multivitamins. One of the most nutrient dense foods you can find. It's been called the world's perfect food. Yeah. The cholesterol, dietary cholesterol, they've now said this, even our own government policy said this, really plays no real role in your body's own cholesterol. So now, I do want to say this, there's always individual variances. If this person's diet is terrible and they're so high in calories and adding another 5-8, Context matters. It's bad. Then yes, it's bad for you. But all things being equal, if everything else is healthy, the calories are appropriate, all that stuff, like no, it's actually, it's one of the healthiest foods you can eat and the studies are now, good well-made studies now are finally starting to show this, but we've known this for a long time. So I hate that this even exists because... Myth persists. How many people have avoided eating whole eggs or have only eaten one here and there? So I can have more than one. Like when I, even my parents, when I would eat scrambled eggs and I'd have four, my mom would be like, four? No, no, no, you can't have more than two. That's like too many yolks. My mom would even say that. Like mom, that's not true at all. Now I eat, you know, I eat like 10 eggs a day on average. So stupid advice. Yeah, well, I was, you were very direct. I was going to answer it with like, this is not enough information to even give the right advice because I don't know where you are. Like I don't know where where your diet currently is at. So to be able to say, you know, how many, you know, whole eggs and egg whites should you eat in a day without knowing, are you 50 pounds overweight? Do you over consume by a thousand calories already? Your cholesterol levels are through the roof. Like yeah, then maybe eating that is not most ideal if you're in that situation. But if you're a relatively healthy person and you have no underlying issues that you're aware of, then my response actually would be, why are you even eating the egg whites? Why not eat five to six full eggs? Yes. Unless you're just trying to cut calories. Right. That's what I mean. I need to know calories, right? So if you're like barely going over by 200 calories or say that's even less than that, like 125 calories, you're going over and your way of staying under is by eating three egg whites instead of three more full eggs. I'd be like, why are you doing that? If you were to list like health foods, top 10 health foods, again, any food can be unhealthy if it's making you eat too many calories, if it's inappropriate for your particular body. So let's put that aside for a second and speak generally. If we were to list health foods, eggs would be up there. Period. End of story. It would be up there. And what's funny is that we've put like fat free cereals and grains and other things higher on the list. And we know what the big problem is is that we stop feeding kids eggs, whole eggs for a long time. So if you look at like real ancestral type health and what makes kids healthy improves their IQs, egg yolks are eggs and egg yolks in particular are one of the healthiest foods you could give a child, give a young child. You know that intolerances to eggs, which are quite common. Okay. So if you look at like the top 10 foods that people might have an allergy or intolerance to, eggs are somewhere there, maybe near the bottom, right? There's like dairy and like gluten and eggs. It's been egg whites. It's the egg whites. Yeah. Egg yolks, if somebody hasn't intolerance to eggs, it's almost always the whites and not the yolks. Sometimes it's both, but it's almost never the other way. It's almost always the whites and not the yolks. The yolks are, and that's the part we cut out, which is crazy. And if you look at the nutrients present in eggs, you get, you get choline, you get B vitamins, you get the cholesterol, you get and choline is like a, you can almost consider an essential nutrient. It's like a conditionally essential. I think it's how they would put it. So it's terrible that we've actually taken the healthiest part out of the egg because of bad information. To the point where we get questions like this, like, you know, the questions that we should be getting is, do you think drinking five sodas a day is bad or something like that? Like that's what we should be hearing. No. Not five. This is a very whole natural, healthy food. And it's actually one of the few foods that people still eat that is not unprocessed. So yeah, get that out of your head. And again, anything can be unhealthy if it's too much, but in this case it is. There's a lot of other food items to be concerned. When I get my blood work done, it's so funny. I always tell my doctor, now I have a radio doctor, so I don't do this, but I would change doctors often because I don't care who I'd see or whatever. And I would always tell them, hey, just want to let you know, I eat about 10 to 15 eggs a day. Oh, shut up. And I know I really do. And I say that to you because wait till you get my numbers. And I get my cholesterol numbers back and they're always like. Do you think this is a cholesterol? I think it's kind of weird that this person though is eating because the yolk is where most of the cholesterol is. Right? And that's why they're asking if it's healthy. They're eating five to six egg yolks or three whites daily. I'm confused. Why are they cutting out two to three egg whites? I think that they may know that the yolks, maybe they follow wellness pages and like, oh, this is real healthy. And then other people are probably telling them, are you sure? So they do a blend? Yeah. They get the other community saying egg whites in the body? I don't know. They're like, I'll just do the half and half. Yeah. My pump. Is this all right? I know. Now eat the whole egg. And there's actually studies too that show that the protein, the protein synthesis that happens from eggs is better when you eat the full egg. So you actually get more of a muscle building effect from whole eggs than you would from egg whites. Imagine that. All things being balanced, man. Next question is from Brady Willard Ten. How do you approach strength training for high school students? Do you pick this question, Justin? Yeah. Just for me. You guys can go and sit this one out. I have no idea. What are the foundational things with this, Justin? Because I actually learned a couple things from you in this regard. So yeah, what's the deal with this? So in terms of structuring, like a strength training and workout program, I think it's really just about taking inventory and kind of checking the abilities first, right? Just like any regular client. It's just like, what am I working with first? What are the biggest offenders? What's the things that I need to like really zero in on so I can build upon that have a foundation to work with? And so I think for me it was like, it was challenging because I came in assuming the abilities were further along than they were. And I think too COVID had a bit of a play into that because of the two years of infrequent. They weren't in the weight room. They weren't practicing. They weren't playing. And so it's like there was just disconnect with physical activity and movement in schools really like, you know, we're trying their best with Zoom and all this stuff to try and keep kids active and doing things. But I really think that, you know, this got away from way further away from us than we realized. So just that said, like it was just something different coming into that, like having to kind of figure out, okay, what can I do that will keep their attention, that will be effective and will address these things, but we won't have to like live in that forever. And so that's where I started out with like some isometric positions where it was challenging enough for them to hold and sustain this balance-wise and stability-wise. And then I could show them that there was a disconnect there. Name two of your favorite. So, you know, like in a lunge position, so in a split stance position for one, like just having them kind of squat it down and holding and sustain that position. Also seeing their base and like seeing, you know, their foot position with that and like, you know, which kids were kind of falling over which kids didn't have any core control. And then two, being able to kind of progress that. So, you know, things like just holding a plank was pretty enlightening to see like where their core strength was. Being able to use some of our tests from like the compass test. Like so the wall press was like very enlightening to see like how little mobility and control that they had over their shoulders and their head. And so like this forward position which was even further exaggerated by being on their computers and desks. So it was like, I had to do a lot of work with that external rotation and getting them back to a good postural position. You know what's so valuable about this? Because I think a lot of people, especially coaches I would say, don't consider assessing first. They go right into, here's the exercises, here's what we're going to do. And if you do, there's, exercises can be good or bad depending on who's doing them if they're appropriate or not. If they're inappropriate, it could be the best exercise in the world. One thing I learned from you that I thought was, I didn't even consider this, but it's so true, is when you're looking at exercises, you have to consider when's the season start and are they going to be able to gain the skill to exercise properly to gain the benefit by the time season starts. So in other words, like a power clean, that's a good football exercise. Well, if you're working with a bunch of kids that can't do a proper body weight squat, they've never done a power clean in their entire lives. Yeah, and you've got three months until the season starts. By the time the season starts, you may be progressed to just the barbell because you had to start with the broomstick, but you've got no benefit now because you had to learn the skill for so long. Yeah, and you can reduce that now by doing a vertical jump and you're getting that triple extension, you're getting that explosive power generation, which is really what you're trying to promote with a power clean. I mean, it's just a lot more technical and there's a lot of moving parts you've got to learn and it takes a long time to teach that. So yeah, I had to like weigh out a lot of those exercises and I really just reduced it. It was all a big reduction of bringing it down to like your five core lifts. Like, you know, if I'm doing bench press, squats, you know, even front squats for me was a very important one, pull-ups, dips, and you know, overhead press, you know, things like that where I was just like really fine-tuning those movements, bend over rows, you know, deadlifts, and then I would use the trap bar for deadlifts just again because... The skill. The skill, the hip hinging part of it is something that I worked with them like towards the latter half of the programming, we started to get that down to understand how to hold their position and be able to kind of fold. So it wasn't a squad. It was different. It was, you know, a hip hinging movement. And so, yeah, it was just... It was literally like as simple as possible and then just slowly add, you know, a new skill on there. And I eventually even taught them how to do a kettlebell swing, which is another big skill acquisition that I had to really deliberately teach. Yeah, what I'm getting from is the simplicity. Yes. Like simple, basic, because you're going to get the most value out of it. More complex, the less likely to derive value because it just requires so much skill and learning. There's different rules. I remember making mistakes as a trainer, as a young trainer writing programs for young athletes because I wasn't taking all those things into consideration just... And I was writing a program, like I would write a normal client program, you know, based off of... Same here. ...building muscle or whatever, acquiring... Not realizing there's other factors at play here. And I am in a small window of, okay, they're going to go perform their sport in X amount of weeks or months. And I want to give them their biggest bang for their buck. And even though I know, you know, X, Y, and Z exercises are super beneficial for these types of athletes, you know, not taking into consideration the skill acquisition time. And that, well, it's like, okay, well, they're not going to really reap those benefits till later. So finding other exercises. And simple, like, and realizing that. And I think we talked to, I don't know if it was off air or somebody in the form where the soccer, the soccer team that was doing the Turkish get-ups. I just, if you could get a whole team to be able to organize their body in a Turkish get-up with good form, the carryover that will have into that sport is, even though... It's body control. Yeah. And even though the average person would go like, Turkish get-up, soccer, Y, doesn't make any sense, you know what I'm saying? You know what's funny? So you guys are going to love this. We're going to go sports now. So... This is my favorite. No, this is true for like the sports even I engaged in, like I did judo and jujitsu. But I think this is true for all sports. They, especially the younger team, right? High school, maybe college, maybe when you get older, it changes a little bit, probably stays the same. It's the teams that execute the basics the best, right? The most consistent basics. The teams that are like, yeah, yeah, forget, you know, forget dribbling, forget passing. Let's practice this crazy layup and let's do this, you know, this slam dunk and whatever. Like, and remember in jiu-jitsu, there were guys that would come from Brazil that would just smoke everybody and they would smoke everybody with like the same basic shit you learn the first few months of jiu-jitsu. They just did it so well and they practice it so often. I'd try to explain this all the time to our players. Like, and Dela Sal's a good example of that. Dela Sal, the Patriots, those are all great examples. Just because it's there, you know it's coming. And it's just a few plays, but they're masters at those plays and they could even point at you on blocking you and they're going to block you. Because they're not afraid to do that because they've practiced those skills so effectively that they're going to have that step and that advantage over you because you're just not at that same skill level as them because they've mastered that. Do you know that my uncle Casey took that philosophy, Dela Sal, what you're talking about to Pop Warner Football so he coached Pop Warner Football for like five years and just, I mean to the point... Probably dominated, huh? Oh, bro, fathers like got together and we're trying to throw him out because he was winning every game by like 30 points and he literally was like three plays, you know, and just run the ball down their throat and just he got the kids so good at like those three plays. They just, and all these other dads that were just kind of like weekend warrior dads were trying to execute cool plays. They're like playing Madden dude and they're like trying to execute cool plays. The kids and have, you know, and Casey was just like, no, we are just going to be good at these three things and that's it. Yeah, so I think the key to, I think the takeaway is if you're a coach or you're a high school student is there's a value that you can derive from an exercise but before you could derive that value you have to be able to perform that movement and that's a skill acquisition that can take a long time. So what you want to do is focus on the basics, do them well and don't throw a bunch of stuff at yourself because you're not going to get much value. So if you did, you know, somebody, if I took a high school student and I just did five exercises with them for the next year they would do better than a kid who did 25 exercises. I mean, it's better to have a strong body. I mean, that's what you're doing in the off season. You need to build your body so you're strong, resilient and that carries into speed. That carries into like, that's the thing is you can then shift your adaptation but the strength that you built in that foundational period will go with you. So you have to really hyper focus in on the simplicity of it. Like I'm just developing a strong body in the most effective way I can. To the point of your simplicity, Justin and I right now are helping my nephew who's a high school basketball player and we've literally reduced it down to three movements and his homework is literally to just practice these three movements and one of them is a windmill, a basic kettlebell windmill, a jump box, just a straight, vertical jump, a vertical jump and then a ice skater. So those three and it's just like all I want you to do is to practice that, take your time between sets and I think that as a coach you think like you see all this information around plyometrics and you're like, oh, I want to implement all these cool plyometric stuff. It's like, listen, if your kid can't even organize his body in a vertical jump with good form, you're doing all these crazy explosive plyometric work. Yeah, waste of time. Yeah, it's a waste of time. It's just injury. And or you're just going to create poor recruitment patterns, right? They're going to be sloppy. They're going to be sloppy. You're going to have bad habits. And so that's what I see with a lot of these high school coaches is they're starting to get better about like implementing better technical stuff in the programming but then the programming is so over complicated for a high school kid that they're not getting what they should be getting in return for these type of movements. Next question is from Micah2448. How important are the types of shoes you wear during your workout? And should they change based on the type of exercise you are doing? Yeah, you know, it's funny about this. It's less about the best types of shoes and more about there's certain shoes you should not wear. You shouldn't wear. Yeah, when you're legit. Running shoes are the worst. Yeah. Like big cushy. No lateral support at all. No, and they're so cushy and squishy and you load them with a squat. Your heels elevated. You probably, you might not want that. You deadlift with them. I saw a guy yesterday, actually yesterday, I was deadlifting and he was deadlifting on the platform and you know, we were pulling and I was going heavier and he got up to like three, four plates, but he had running shoes on and I really, really wanted to tell him like bro, you should take your shoes off. Like you have no idea how much that's messing you up right now. And that's what I would do is like if I went to the gym and I didn't have time to go change into like normally I have chucks almost always on when I'm lifting. That's typically. But every once in a while I love shoes and I'm wearing sneakers today. I'm wearing a pair of Jordans that I wouldn't want to lift in. So, and this was yesterday. I don't know if you saw. What number are those by the way? Threes. I was, I was lifting yesterday and I was wearing a pair of J's and I just stripped them off and go barefoot. Yeah. It's like I would not want to lift in those. I love wearing those shoes, but I'm not going to wear those shoes inside the gym to lift. I want to be as close to being grounded as possible, which I think you're minimal shoes. Which I think your five finger ones are ugly. So if you don't want to have sex, you can wear those ones or you wear chucks or vans. And I get like our boys over at Squat University, they pick on chucks a little bit because they're narrow. The toe box. Yeah. And it doesn't, it doesn't help you spread your toes. So in a perfect world, you can get to a place where you can squat and do things barefoot. Like that's in a perfect world, you should be. You can get like the marbles or whatever the ones that like covering your toe at least, but it's not like the toe exposed. But yeah, I mean, again, like I understand, I understand what they're doing with that. But yeah, it is pretty dorky. So if you're not fully committed into that, like just make sure at least you have a shoe with like a flat wide surface. So your feet can, I mean, it is ideal to have your toes spread out so you can, you know, create more surface area for you to have, you know, gain balance and control, which is that's, that's what you're really resisting. Cause if you have any shift in the weight, you know, you want to be able to account for that and your feet are a big part of that process with where you're, the rest of your kinetic chain is going to go. Yeah, I remember as a, I was in high school. I think it was the first time I squatted close to 300 pounds, right? And I remember backing, I had running shoes on ASICs. And I remember backing the bar out and I remember my feet feeling kind of like squishy. And that's when it occurred to me like, Oh, this doesn't feel like, if I twist a little wrong, I'm going to hurt myself. Do you guys know what Paul Anderson is? Paul Anderson were the greatest weight lifters, one of the greatest American weight lifters of all time, right? Big dude, broke records, pressure. He used to weight lift in dress shoes. Okay. Now dress shoes, you know, the kind you wear when in a suit. Now at first you like dress shoes. What are you doing? That's actually, dress shoes were actually a great weightlifting type of shoe. Back in those days, there were, there were solid wood bottom with a slight heel. What do Olympic weightlifting shoes look like? So I've actually heard people talk about the, Oh, he lifted in dress. I'm like, that's weightlifting shoes. Just to, you know, not exactly weightlifting. There was a trend for like a construction boots. For a long time. Where guys wear construction boots. To squat heavy. Yeah. Super stable, super hard sole, slightly elevated heel. Makes sense that you'd be able to squat better. Yeah. I would see bodybuilders do that. And they'd be like, oh, I could squat better. I'm like, you know, it's because the heel was slightly elevated. Yeah. Really good. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important. And that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press, and they're always aiming for five reps, if you compared that person to a person who did a bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps, but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of, let's say 15 to 20 reps, and then they'll throw on some supersets. At the end of that year, you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out. And less injury. That's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.