 For me, I did a fortunate life at Science exhausta. I know this book will not lift itself without energy. It will never happen, but here in which is flying a number of them on a winnowing basket not a broom like what is do. Then I say why don't our universities investigate that energy their basic condemning is witchcraft? Rimu timingu kujho kotu. Nama kwa bGOhdama. Wala, kwa kwa bGOhdama. Wala, kwa bGOhdama katkisha. Kufu kwa hini N remained in Pritana. Beliai suipafu wala wala. Nifu hina dhikudu kwa hini nubasa. Numawa kwa hini. Nqutu na kwa wala. Sino kuwana wala. Nqutu na nini. Wala, kwa ozufu. Ndi. Ndi. Nni. Nni. Nni. Ndi. Nni. Ndi. Ndi. Ndi. Ndi. Ndi. Oh, it's Hallelujah chorus. They love that. But when it's me. What do you think is the problem of Africa? The problem of Africa is going beyond mental colonization because it's all mental. It's easy to get a gun, fire to white men and he runs away. But as he runs away he remains in your mind. So have you chased him? You have not. He's still there. You need to read, to cleanse the mind. And that's the process I term liberation. There hasn't been a liberation in Africa. So the liberation of the mindset? Of the mind. That you see yourself as someone not inferior to another race. No. Problem is some of these young fellows are not reading enough to discover African discoveries. They think that we started the science that we had in Africa. They don't see it. They think it's all new. In African culture they can't see the science that is there. That's the problem. There's a lot of it. Everything, but people will accept that Africa is the cradle of humanity. So if it is, everything started here. Problem is Africa is quarreling, some are proudly Lusofon, proudly Angrofon, proudly Francofon. All these are useless things. These are useless things. You need to be an African. I see when my favorite people in that part of the world where you come from are the token. I like their philosophy. Where they have the talk star, for example. The talk star has a 60-year cycle. And they know it. There is a predeticated to see the time when the talk star will come. And they saw it ahead of NASA. But Africa doesn't know these proud stories of their ancients. To derive pride. And it becomes a source of motivation. But if you don't know these, you think all that there is in Africa is demonizing things to be. Tengkreted, despised. That's what Africa is used to. Kut for nothing. And so you allow people to come and dictate the form of government, the form of religion, everything. Which is not even African. That's the problem. There will come a time. It's not going to be immediate. And that revolution will be led by people who are spiritual. Not these people who do not have some spiritual drive in them. Because the people who suffer are the ancients. The way they relate to us now is through spirituality. They still communicate with us. If I tell you the shavron desire. What are these triangles that we see? Or should I even call them triangles? Yes, you are right to call them triangles. Because these are symbolic, they are representative. But we need right from the outset to establish exactly what we mean. And for that I will stand up so that I demonstrate. Now what you are calling a triangle actually is this part. Not just part of a man. Yes, a man also has it. But it's essentially that part of a woman. Right. So either you can perceive it as a triangle or as an open V like this. It's the same. You can have that line, making it a triangle. I saw this triangle. Or it is an open V. Right. That we are going to call that triangle is a shavron icon. One. Shavron icon. Or shavron symbol. We are going to find it everywhere in Africa. I remember we had a cultural conference in some years back. Then I was moving from country to country asking what does shavron mean. The fellows had no clue at all. And my ancestors had told me. The very ancestors, if you mention ancestors, you are then seen to be very primitive. Very demonic. Why? Why dream? Because ancestors communicate us with us through dreams. And I've always said, when it is Joseph dreaming in iti for the pharaohs and it's written in the papu, oh, it's Hallelujah chorus. They love that. But when it's me, it's Timon. Then I say, but if your grandfather was a Timon, you are a Timon too. It's as simple as that. A frog pickets a frog. A lizard pickets a lizard. So if you say we are Timon, our ancestors are Timon and they picket us. So we are Timon. You can see that these Africans heavily brainwashed. That's the tragedy of Africa. What is your view on Pan-Africanism? Pan-Africanism has to be clarified. If you push the political agenda and end there, you go nowhere. It is not politics that ought to be uniting us. We are united even before politics. It is Pan-African view of the world. I am so we are. That togetherness. That spirit of being together. I think somebody said to me some few things which I thought sound great to me. Alone I smile together. We laugh. I said that sounds great. Alone I say together we talk. Alone I enjoy together we celebrate. There were three. I said that's African. That's what Pan-Africanism. Not a shared blackness. A shared residence on the same continent means nothing. That means nothing. But how we are a people who are conservation conscious. We are conservation conscious because of our spirituality. Our spirituality says we are related to trees. We are related to all animals. And we thrive on them. Our sustenance is guaranteed by the environment and environment with the plants. So water becomes critical, rain becomes critical. And we have dances that sort of induce rains to fall. Without rain if for five years five consecutive years there's no rain. This there will be no life. It's as simple as all that. It's as simple as five years no rains. Mother earth is the source of sustenance. Our own mothers must be breastfed by this mother earth. We is female by the way. And that's what Africa knows. Whether you are in Nigeria, the Akani, you are the Tokoni, Mali. You all know this is mother earth. And we respect mothers. You see people have been made to believe science is not culture. It can't be anything else. It is culture because science is not natural. But when you see an African commanding rain we think it's evil. Yes, that is what the African has believed. Last week I was at Ingelele, the hill that you see there. That's our fertility shrine. This is where last week we were quoting the coins on there. Because there is an African lady in the United States who wants to show her fellow students and lecturers that in Africa we have ways of inducing rain. The problem comes when people think everything African has to rely on medicine for example. No, for us it's symbolism, symbolic manipulation. It's critically important for us to understand here is a certain condition. You reproduce that condition elsewhere. You symbolically manipulate. Afrikaans there was a time when I was reminding me and I'll still do it to understand what item ancient African science. This is where witchcraft belongs. I thought I was going to research witchcraft. Then I realized no, I'm not right. What the witches are making use of is a very ancient science. Witch has been denigrated. We are told and you read on internet which has been grounded because there were some anti-palistic missiles that were meant to bring down this witch. But for me I did a fortunate level science background. I know this book will not lift itself without energy. It will never happen. But here are witches flying a number of them on a winoing basket. No, not a broom like what it's do. For us it's a winoing basket in this part of the world. Then I say, why don't our universities investigate that energy? They are busy condemning this witchcraft. Then I said okay, you remove the witch and remain with the craft to start it. Don't tell us about witchcraft. Deal with the craft on its own, the science. Where is that energy coming from? We need energy. This is why a Boko Haram being sponsored by people there too. It's because of critical resources that I have. If you look at all areas of conflict in Africa I always say look under the feet. What's there? That's the answer under the feet. There is oil. If certainly our cars were not to use oil the politics would change dramatically. You won't even have the Boko Haram and some other funny group there who are sponsored. By the very people who condemn them man has bought their pot with man. But the important thing is conflict is induced by people who want resources, enslaved the African for over 400 years. They still want those resources. They will give you other reasons but it will be tantamount to getting the same resources that the politics is driven by resources because they are not infinite. Resources are finite. Africa has too many of them and Africa will have too many problems. When Africa says we have discovered oil in Zimbabwe for me it's not something to be happy about. No. It means they will be conflict now because they want that oil. Does it mean that the abundance of resources that we have in Africa is also a case to Africa? Correct. That's what is happening. It is. But Africa needs to make you... It's a way of gifts. I believe the white man is very mechanical is concrete, is physical, is material. In that regard it's difficult to beat him. But what has happened, our gift has been demonized. Our gift is spirituality. You can hit a fellow now who is in Britain and we have always been wireless. They are discovering this wireless recently. It's something new in the western world but we have always been doing it through incantation, through the spoken word, through verse we send a spell and that spell is wireless. So that is the ancient African science that I want to do before I join my ancestors. That to me is very important. How are we able to do that? I want to know your definition for Africa. Africa is the cradle of humanity. Africa is the one that has interpretations to all the monuments that are in the world. That I discovered when someone in Britain who I don't know, I found a book written from the author with something, something to partisan, but I didn't know that author. Then I started reading. Then I saw the African mind. So to me the ancients shared a common worldview that I do not doubt. Whether I have started the incas, I have started the adzec, I have started the mias, I have started the token, then I went to that place in Britain. I saw the African mind. I saw secularity. I saw the meaning of stone which some of us place on their graves because we believe in the duality of being that when I look at you I see the physical body, the material body, but beyond that there is a spirit which is everlasting and is represented by stone. So stone therefore represents eternity through its solidity, its resistance to weathering. That's African knowledge. I didn't read these things from someone's book. No. I observe, I've always said nature is the best teacher in this world. You only need to observe nature objectively it will teach you more than anybody else in this world. Whatever you're saying, which means an African has lost it. But when did an African lose all this? The African lost it when he got into contact with other people. He didn't lose it when he was alone. He didn't get into contact with other people. For the African it was a terrible contact, a terrible situation which began to change his worldview. Initially, remember it was the Europeans were coming to Africa it was the Arabs coming to Africa the Arabs, the Muwas were enslaving the people. Once you have a people enslaving you they are teaching you something that probably your ways are inferior. This will be my argument again before I get to that after enslaving activities of the Arabs from the east coast then taking the black man as he is wakam to Arabia that was the beginning you question yourself now I am working for them Africa was losing that sense of independence independence not political independence yes political independence but economic independence is critically important political independence in isolation means nothing you can have your independence but you will have your poverty doubled triple to quadrupled what is happening what you need when I look at my own background within our own household we were independent hardly produced looking for items from other people we were growing our crops we knew how to get meal out of our sokam grain and then we were providing the labor as young children but now I looked at my children I do remember making a comment my children are parasites and protected by some stupid law if I say let's go and plow they say child abuse that's how they defeat you child abuse but we were working one we were economically productive we were hitting our father's kettle we were plowing we were driving the squat cart transporting things it was us doing it so we're making some economic contribution as children but now they tell us that's child abuse and what is important is some of these fellows were not coming deep into the land or inland Africans have always we have always had Africans who become accomplices to any project evil we still have them in abundance today it's very clear they are very smart but they are working with the people who undermine us people who want to ensure we remain slaves at all times and we have such people who are political leaders this is why I said the day Africa shall be transformed the war, the campaign the crusade will be laid by spiritual people because it will be ancestors and I can tell you now the 400 years that in Christianity they talk about the children of Israel in Africa we are at that period I'm telling you about the Portuguese to today is 400 years and Africa is on the verge of reclaiming helosti glory when Africa will once again embrace a new consciousness in Africa that is not ashamed of their spirituality that their ways were packing their ways that are demonic our ways are our ways and we should be proud of them what is unfair is you are being told about other people's standards in political terms in economic terms it's them dictating but Africa just whimpers like some little dog in the cult it's terrible that's what we need to change Africans were not ashamed Africans who can say yes we are Africans we don't regard anybody else as a reference point our humanity doesn't need to be authenticated by other people look at what was happening and people were losing that pride and they were being shipped like sardines in West Africa we still have it's a pity I haven't been to West Africa to see even on the Zambezi River I'm told there were structures where Africans were being collected shipped out there to work then later on they realized this is an economic carrying the African from the continent thousands of miles to get to the Caribbean islands to get to Brazil to the United States of America no let's establish our factories on the continent itself where labor is so they come but how do you do that through colonization so colonization means now you have the source of labor the African is there the factory is there but what is produced has no beneficiation at all now what you have is a ready market you change the African in terms of his taste he prefers a series that have come from Brazil maize which is not adapted to the African continent so we had that self-sufficiency which we lost with our unpredictable weather maize doesn't do that well but our people love everything white do you think Africa got friends? Africa got convenient friends they were friends for convenience is it friends with benefit or friends? in normal circumstances where there is genuine friendship they must be mutual benefit if you are my friend there is something that you benefit from me similarly I benefit something from you that is what it ought to be but our friends today and they are coming they are interested in the resources it's not friendship per se it's what they get and it looks better in that it doesn't come as naked colonialism but it's still a colonial relationship in that they are getting our raw materials no beneficiation on the African continent itself when they come back to us higher prices because there has been beneficiation outside of Africa Africa is the market so we are the market the items, the goods from the resources on the African continent the manufacturing process beneficiation process went on elsewhere and then they come to us oh they are good consumers and to get good consumers you need to work on the African mind to begin to prefer things exotic if you look at Zimbabwe we are more than happy to receive items that are coming from South Africa from Europe and elsewhere their own things are despised that's working on the mind that is creating a market that's good for the fellow who is manufactured and they are getting foreign currency by developing the mind of an African to despise what is African what is Zimbabwe in preference for things exotic since we don't have mental liberation does it mean Africa is not liberated? it's not no no no did you think it is? Africa is independence independence was a golden opportunity to then seek liberation we would have sat down and said what did colonialism do to us what damage did it bring about serious meeting but as I always say we were too happy to get into the shoes of the colonizer that's what we did that's not liberation liberation is mental what we did was something physical something external driving the white man out of our neighborhood but remaining with him in your mind controlling the mind now if you read my biography I can't remember exactly what I called it in other words the people who are driving that are the Africans themselves so they planted something in us and now without them we continue to do as if they are around so what is being planted is growing self-perpetuation took thousands of years to get where they are now at their own pace with no one dictating the direction in pace they got rid of their kings then they became titular but our king was forcibly removed when we still loved the king they should have allowed us to enjoy our kinship beat our drums we were going to like them get tired at some point then we are serious because if you what they did means the king is not there when I become the president of an African country I want to behave like a king yes because they trove the king what history have I got other than knowledge of a monarch that's what I know that's our heritage so I become like one and the emphasis is on ruling instead of leading that's what I said I don't want rulers I prefer leaders do we have leaders in Africa there are very few if any there are rulers wubu usa kutonga in some of our languages in Zimbabwe let us define our democracy what is your definition for democracy I will argue that democracy is doing what we understand what we like what we have legitimated as a people that to me is democratic but it may sound very undemocratic to other people democracy is never universal it is a term of convenience very convenient when they want regime change they will talk about democracy but look we know people who are despots we DRC for example but they love them so an African leader is not hated by westerners because he is undemocratic forget it it's not like that it is because he is not opening his country to exploitation that's all that's what they are saying when you are democratic allow us to loot the resources from you you are very democratic that's democracy Africa does not need to be taught by these people for example when it comes to conservation of resources we were the people and this was spiritually dictated to us and we found ourselves willingly conserving nature because we said 33 is life now look at the language the language will teach you a lot one day I was getting home and I didn't have a car my usual car then my nephew says kulu kulu means grandfather in our language who killed your car do you see I said this is important I think he was about 5 years old then so one is that a car just like glass has a life in English to say a class has died does not make sense but in African languages I want to believe it's the same with your language yes oh the class has died when a language is lost what is being lost is a way of life our philosophy our cosmology our etiology all that is being lost and therefore losing our culture we are losing a lot as a result we cannot defend everything African because we do not understand it when I started writing moving into the arts I started with cultural practices years later I discovered I was missing it then I made a shift now I was concentrating on that which underpins the practice then you begin to appreciate African culture in a better way instead of when I look at a dance I see important relationships I see stars the movement of cosmic bodies when in African dances the riklin I think I was looking at some West African women this is true of all women in Africa the ways they even tie some clothes around so that they exaggerate the movement but what's special there that's creation procreation this is where it happens within the womb of mother this is the interpretation of the chevron desire it's a female icon it's a woman ok we have spoken we will finish tomorrow