 So we're here at the ITU in Geneva and I'm very pleased to be joined by Uwe Bader from Roten Schwartz. Uwe, welcome and thank you very much indeed for joining us here today. Thank you very much. So we're here at a study group 11 meeting and we're having a workshop on global approaches on how to combat counterfeiting and stolen ICT devices. Looking at your participation, what is the role of conformity assessment in helping to combat counterfeiting and stolen devices? Well, conformity assessment can play an important role to detect counterfeit devices. One of the major problems of such devices is that those are of lower quality than the original devices which are on the market and so what you do with counterfeit is that you want to save costs that you want to let's say have lower quality components inside such devices and of course this comes at the cost of performance in the network. So conformity assessment can guarantee a high quality and a high performance of devices. And speaking of devices, what kind of specific devices are we talking about? Is this limited to handsets or tablets or now that can be all devices which are working in mobile networks. Of course, usually you think of mobile phones of handsets, but those can also be tablets and we think a major part will be Internet of Things, will be IoT when you have a much higher number of devices in the networks and if those devices cause problems in the networks that can multiply even to a breakdown of the network. And what are some of the biggest challenges that we see today with regards to counterfeiting and theft? Well, the point is that actually it can be in different ranges where you have problems which counterfeiting. For example, the power amplifiers can be of low quality. The antenna design can be made very badly. It can cause health issues when you have a high radiated exposure. You can have problems with power consumption and that can cause, of course, battery failure which can be severe as you probably heard in the past that batteries always had a little bit of problems sometimes in mobile devices. So there are many things and you can really do conformity assessment to guarantee that only high quality products are on the market. Well, Uwe, I'd like to thank you very much indeed for your time and wish you a successful workshop.