 So I guess the question is it too late to start a business online to be successful in 2020? Is that isn't too late? I mean, that's such a joke. No, there's so many. I mean, the internet's just starting. I mean, the internet's really just starting. Yeah. I mean, we're really just in the advent. You look, I mean, every, every year, another industry gets disrupted to buy the internet. Like take taxi cabs, for instance. Nobody thought that the internet was, was going to affect, you know, yellow taxi cabs yet within, within five years, Uber took that industry onto the internet. You know, vacation rentals got taken, you know, taken on the internet by Airbnb. And look how many other industries there are that haven't been plugged in and connected to, to the internet. I mean, look at how much information is still not shared in an organized way on the internet. There's, there's, I mean, there's more opportunities than, than not. I mean, we're still in the very nascent stages of, you know, of connecting the world and my, I mean, it's pretty unanimous actually amongst, amongst successful folks that we're in the very early stages still. Maybe, maybe we're towards the end of the beginning stage, but we're in the early stages overall. Some of my students and the people that watch my videos will tell me this that well, JR, I just don't have a product. I don't have anything to sell. I need something cool. And I know you're involved in affiliate marketing. Can you speak to how somebody could actually make money without even having a product? Sure. I mean, I would, I would say generally speaking, most of the population makes money without having a product. They're either, you know, maybe working for a company, selling somebody else's product or supporting it or whatever. But on the internet, you know, the two easy ways are e-commerce, you know, drop shipping where, you know, basically there's hundreds of billions of dollars worth of unsold inventory around the world. And if you can sell it for companies, they will, you know, they will pay you and also affiliate deals, which is where you sell another person's product or service and they pay you a commission. So, you know, one is the traditional, you know, the drop shipping model is the traditional, you know, buy low, sell higher. Right. You know, buy it wholesale and sell it, you know, retail or whatever. And then the other model, affiliate marketing is, you know, just the sales model, which is you sell somebody else's product and you get a commission for doing so, maybe 50% or, you know, whatever the company is offering. Very cool. And you've done very well. That matter of fact, I've done some deals with you. And I made thousands of dollars with John guys. So, you know, you want to check out his stuff too. Now I read an interesting article and I want to kind of prefix it with you. First off, I think my opinion nowadays, the majority of the population is thin skin. They get the feelings hurt so bad. And their way of overcoming that is by staring down people who are successful. And I'm sure there's bad things about me and bad things about you on the internet because people are jealous. I read an article the other day. This is the report from Gizmodo. Elon Musk is kind of a dick. That was the title for a story that somebody wrote. What do you think of that? I think he wrote it himself to keep him in the news. He has a great press team. Yeah, it's like people love to attack people online now, guys. So, you know, when you're looking around, I wouldn't look at people who have all perfect ratings on everything. I would look at people who are successful and have stood the test of time. I mean, the people that stay around and you've been around for years now. 21, you're 33 now. That's 12 years right there, guys. So, you know, if you're interested in this, the type of stuff John's talking about, he's been around. Okay, he's been, he's still here. Okay, it's still growing. I think you've got over 400,000 subscribers on your YouTube channel now. And I mean, he's always doing something. So, you know, a lot of people want to get started and they don't really know where to start. So what would you say to somebody? They got nothing. They got nothing whatsoever. And they want to start making money online. What advice would you give them with your experience? First off, it doesn't. I don't think it really matters where you start. But if I were to go into it, I believe every individual case is different. The first thing I do is kind of survey your surroundings. And look at, you know, look at who are the rich people around you. You know what, you know, in your community, in your area, maybe, maybe you live in a coal mining town. Maybe you live in a, you know, maybe you live in a small farming town. You know, are there, are there certain advantages where, you know, that you can, that you can use. Maybe John Deere has a, has a refurbishing facility near, near your, near your town. Or maybe you live in a foreign country, you know, and you know multiple languages and you, you know, you live in Morocco and you have, you know, a lot of interesting products that maybe you could take advantage of and sell to international markets. I'd look for advantages. I'd look at what other, you know, rich people are in your area and I'd start hanging out with them. I'd start talking them. I'd work for them for free. I do, I do whatever you can to get closer to the more successful people in your community. Number one, number one, or, or if you have the means, move to, move to a place where, you know, there's, you know, where there's already an ecosystem of entrepreneurs because you'll have more support there overall. The second thing I would do is literally just, you know, watch a few YouTube videos, you know, maybe spend a couple hours looking at the different businesses that are out there and just pick one. Point flip doesn't matter. And then focus on that for the next six months. And don't think about anything else. Don't think about quitting just next six months. You have to give, I believe you have to give each business at least six months good, honest, hard, dedicated, focused effort and get through all the problems. Even if there are obstacles that seem insurmountable, just again, you're on it for six months. So you got to do something. And that would be my advice on how to get started. I don't, you know, people always ask me where, and again, I don't think it matters. You could start a T-shirt shop, you know, where you're selling in person. It doesn't matter. You just, you can grow. I mean, there are T-shirt companies that are multi-billion dollar companies. Life is good as a good example. It doesn't matter where you start. You can become rich doing anything, whether it's internet connected or not. Okay. Yeah, I used to listen to Jim Rohn a lot. And I don't know if you're familiar with Jim Rohn or not. Yeah. But he had a really good sentence about that. And he says, when people ask me where they should start, he says, there's opportunities everywhere. Throw a rock wherever it lands, that's where you start. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love that quote. That's like, yeah, similar to the flip a coin thing. It doesn't matter. People put way too much focus on that. It's not about the business. It's about the, it's about the person and their resilience and their perspiration, their dedication. Yeah. I think most people don't want to fail. I was in the sales. They're scared. They're scared. Yeah. Little sales industries. And we knew that one out of five people would buy. We knew that. Okay. And the industry I was in. And most sales people would go out and get two or three nose and go, I'm done for the day. And I looked at it as figure out what that one sale is worth. Take it and divide it by five. And that's what you make every time you talk to a customer. When I started, I want you to talk about failure for a second. When I started, I was selling cell phone cases on eBay because that was the biggest thing selling on eBay at the time. And what happened with that was as I would have to buy a hundred or 200 cell phone cases and then I try to sell them and then the phones would change and I would take cell phone cases and I put them in my walking closet and then I'd buy the next cell phone case and try to sell a few of those. And I put what I couldn't sell in the walking closet pretty soon. You can guess this. The walking closet was full and I didn't make any money. I was making like 50 cents and people said, well, you were a failure. And I say, no, I wouldn't. Here's why. Because I learned how to put a product on eBay and I learned how to set up a merchant account. I learned how to set up PayPal and I learned how to list items and I learned about SEO and descriptions. What do you say about failure and what failure really is? Cause I don't think there is failure. It's not, there's no failure unless you quit. Yeah. Because you're always learning, right? Yeah, you're still, you're still, you're still. Yeah. I mean, until, until you turn your back, and you start walking away from the front lines, you haven't failed, uh, until you're dead. Or you've decided on your own to turn around and walk away. So there is no failure. It's just, you know, it's, it's advances. Sometimes you retreat a little bit, right? That year where I lost a million dollars was hard. But, you know, again, I could have thrown in the towel on entrepreneurship and said, I lost a million dollars. I owe $400,000 to the IRS. I'm just going to get a job and, you know, work it off over the course of a few years and live a normal life, right? I could have done that, but I just, I was stubborn and I didn't quit. And I said, okay, I'm going to still start, you know, keep working on this business. And it gets hard, you know, it, you know, like that time, for instance, I was having, I was having panic attacks. No kidding. Yeah. I was having a huge, guys listen to this. This guy's a secure guy. He does videos all the time. So try to relate to this. Go ahead and tell your story about that. Yeah. I mean, I was, uh, I remember it was December 2016. Um, I was in the middle of, you know, you know, I just told a bunch of people, uh, you know, basically they were fired and that, you know, I couldn't work with them anymore. And, you know, I cried, you know, I cried. It was really stressful, you know, stressful when you have to tell folks that, uh, you know, that whose lives and families depend on, you know, the income and that, you know, you worked really hard to sell on the opportunity of working for you. It's, it's really hard saying, you know, telling them you have to let them go and, you know, you're, you're leaving the business. Um, so that was very difficult. Uh, then, you know, also I had a job, I had lost, you know, I had personally lost all my money doing this, this business. I started about a million dollars and I was, um, I owed $400,000 to the IRS. And, uh, I had my first kid on the way. And I went to the bar, a bar in Santa Monica called the Daily Pint with my brother, um, who was working for me at the time. And I had a sip of the beer and then for whatever reason, I just, I started, I, my face turned white and pale. I started feeling like I had to throw up. I got this, I got this sense of overwhelming dread. Like I was going to die all of a sudden for no reason. And I walked in the bathroom and I saw my face had gone really pale. Like, you know, um, and I was dry heaving for like 20 minutes. I just, yeah. And it was, I, and I, I looked it up and I was like, because I had no idea what was happening in, you know, as a panic attack. And I had a series of those during this period. Um, but it's tough, you know, it's not all peaches and roses, you know, it's times like that where, you know, again, you, you have to have thick skin as an entrepreneur. And, you know, if I would have given up at that point, I would have, I, I would have been $400,000 in debt. Um, now I persevered and I was able to make, you know, a million dollars or almost a million dollars profit that next year. Um, so, you know, it's all full of ups and downs and you have to have really thick skin to run your own business. But again, you know, no boss is going to pay you a million dollars. You know, I can't do that. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and I, I think it's kind of interesting. Everybody thinks I've got to find the one thing that's going to work and I'm going to do that thing and make a lot of money. When in fact, if you just start, you know, I spoke at the gorilla marketing event in Florida a year ago. And my one theme was, you know, everybody said, well, how did you sell survival food? I mean, my God, what made you ever think of that? Um, and I was like, I didn't think of that. I just didn't like my boss and I was trying to do something. I started selling cell phone cases and cell phone cases turned into camping equipment and camping equipment turned into a company contacting me to have some survival food and I sold their survival food and then they couldn't fill the orders. I lost a ton of money. Lost my PayPal account. I lost my ebay account and I sat in my warehouse one day and I'm like, maybe I should come up with my own survival food. Yeah. And I started that and that's done millions of dollars. So it's not necessarily what you start with. It's just what that you start, right? Because you don't know where it's going to lead you. And now I do courses. Who would have thought that when I was selling cell phone cases? Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's wild, but it's, it's, you just. Yeah. I think it's just about keep going. Yeah. And starting, starting is the thing I've seen. Now some people will say, and we're going to wrap this up in a second, but they'll say, I don't want to start something because I've got friends and family. And if I don't do well at this, they're going to laugh at me. What would you say to that? I mean, if, if, you know, I, I don't know everybody's particular situation, but, you know, every, everybody's got to make, you know, decide on their priorities in life, you know, maybe, you know, you know, I don't, I don't advocate people going like massively in debt, you know, I don't advocate, you know, people going into debt for, you know, for starting a business necessarily, you know, I say, you know, to save your money, you know, you know, you should be able to support, you know, once your own business starts taking over the income of whatever your job is, which was my case. I mean, I didn't quit my job until my income was, you know, doubly replaced by my, by my, by the, my side income, you know, my side hustle. So I was, I was making, I was making $15,000 a month before, on the side, you know, this is in addition to my job income before I quit my job, which was paying me $6,000 a month. So I, I, you know, I, I don't know. Like I played it very safe, you know. So I would say if you have to take care of your family, you know, you don't have time to split between, you know, your family and your business or whatever. I mean, it's, you don't have to be an entrepreneur. And I really don't think money is that, you know, it's not meaningful in the scheme of our existence here on earth. It helps you do things. For me, I want to start a space company. I believe, you know, and I need a lot of money to do that. So that's my mission, but you know, it's to each their own. You know, it's not 21. Did you want to start a space company? No, no, when I was 21, I just wanted to make a ton of cash. I could go to the club. I could gamble in Vegas. I could fly all my friends places with me first class. I could impress girls. You know, I, I, you know, I could go anywhere I want. You know, like, like that was, that was at 21, you know, and, and, you know, as I, but, but then again, I also blew all my first, all the money I made in my younger 20s. Like, oh, I was definitely good at spending money when I was younger. Now I know since people have heard you and you make so much sense and you know, it really is helpful that you've opened up yourself, you know, those are inadequacies and your successes and all that. They're probably going to want to get some more information. And I know you've done some training and guys, this training is based on his successes. I would assume not, not your failures. And, and there is a way to get that. And I'm going to put some links below, but can you tell them a little bit about what type of training which you have available out there? Because I know these people are going to want it. Sure. So, you know, essentially, you know, selling stuff on the internet, like kind of what I talked about getting started, which is, you know, e-commerce drop shipping or affiliate marketing, you know, selling products on a commission basis. It really boils down to three things you need to know, which is, you know, getting traffic, setting up a website and having a product to sell. And I just, you know, I, I prepared a training because I've had so many people ask me about, you know, John, how do I, you know, how do I get traffic or how do I start an online business or stuff like that? I just, I just figured I'd kind of like nail that one down because I'm tired of getting thousands of messages a week. And like, that's what I get just from all the press out there out about me now. So I just boiled it down in this training to three actionable, you know, steps that you can take to start an internet business and start earning money from it fairly fast. So it's useful. Can they opt in and get, get access to this? Yeah. You know, I'll, I'll, I'll create a link or I'll, I'll, I'll send you our link to get on to the most recent training. Yeah. John also has a great channel, guys. And I want to talk about that a second. Can you tell me what you cover on your channel? Yeah. On YouTube, I cover, I cover marketing, online marketing, I cover free, mainly free traffic methods. So how to, how to, how to reach people, you know, on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Pinterest, Google, whatever for free. I also cover how to do some online advertising. I cover landing pages. I cover mindset and mentality. I just really anything I'm kind of, I'm interested and I put out five videos a week. I also give away a lot of free money on my channel every Monday. Give away money. What? You give away money. Yeah. Every Monday I give away a bunch of money to all my subscribers. Guys, are you listening to this? He's giving away money on Mondays. So I'm going to put a link of your channel below so they can go to that and subscribe and you're getting involved in all this. Anything else you'd like to share before we finish up? Um, you know, for, and for those of you that, you know, are too scared to start a business that's not a problem. You know, I'm not here to motivate anyone, but, uh, I would encourage you to think about, you know, how you can make an impact on the world. And one of those ways I believe is actually getting involved, getting knowledgeable about, you know, our space program and the companies working with our space programs. You know, I'm wearing, this is Jeff Bezos' company right here on my hat. If you're watching the video version of this, that's Blue Origin. It's an asteroid mining company. And, you know, space, you know, as, as both an American who believes in manifest destiny and as a member of the human race, I believe it is our, our mission to reach up into the heavens and explore this amazing creation that we've been given. And, um, you know, I, so I would encourage anybody that's, you know, maybe younger or interested in, in just working a job to look into opportunities to support our space organizations. Awesome, awesome. Well, I really appreciate you taking time out today, John. I mean, this has really been informative. It's, it's been motivational. It's been informational. I mean, it's really covered all the bases and checked all the boxes. So I really, really appreciate that. Thank you so much. I'm happy to, happy to be on here. All right, guys, check out all of John's stuff. They'll have links below. Check out his channel. Make sure you subscribe, turn on notifications so that you know when he does a particular, you know, video because you don't want to be searching for it. And, and he can notify you on that and give him a thumbs up on all those videos too. Thank you so much, John. I appreciate it. Thank you. Right.