 We will rock you which Arguably is maybe Like I mean I have a two-year-old that we do that kind of on our you know with stomping our foot and clapping our hands boom boom But arguably one of the first drum beats you'll ever learn obviously may well Let's say maybe it's the second drum beat you'll ever learn I think we all know the first one But what you said here is it seems that a drum beat and something else needs to be added before the piece is Considered songwriting so you're adding on that boom even then you're using the big stadium and the stomping that they're doing But it's the mixture of those things that that makes it Songwriting which then ergo songwriting is copyrightable. Well, and that's and that's a good a great point I mean, that's the question. I guess can you yeah, can you differentiate just your standard? You know four on the floor beat versus when the levy breaks well, I mean You're right at the end of the day We don't want every drum beat to be copyrighted because then your people would stop making music because they'd be worried they'd get sued And there'd be no new ideas left out there Except create except crazy, you know jazz, you know seven four second shirts beats, whatever Stuff people can't dance to you know But but it's a good question though because I would say, you know, you can't caught you can't copyright just like Gcd on the guitar, you know the but if you do that with a bunch of other chords and then sing a melody to it You can copyright it, right? It's all of a sudden it becomes Well, whatever there's so many songs. Yeah, that progression and maybe that sort of hints it or hits at the The nature of drumming. I mean like we're often, you know aside from the occasional drums solo I mean drummers are often, you know accompanying other instruments, right and So maybe that's why like Maybe it makes sense, right? Yeah, just going stomp stomp clap Like is that so I'm writing or is that like if so then like the original caveman that did that we have to track Track him down by his family Yeah, exactly who is it? It's probably John Bond. Yeah, that would be that would make an ancestor. Yeah Yeah But yeah, then we add something and even you're right In if it was like in the verse where Fred Freddy's are doing like that You know, like if you had the same beat and then a different singer, you know, obviously in doing different lyrics But with that same sort of intonation I think that'd be like, okay, this is a rip-off and Therefore that's plagiarism, but yeah, just the beat itself would not be so it's I find it so fascinating Especially it I'm not a big hip-hop guy. I'm very Not I'm not really a big pop guy I'm a rock and roller but I see I see in you know Pop and hip-hop just just rule the the music biz these days and I see that as a lawyer In those genres like there's so much ripping off of other songs and you know So I think there's gonna be more and more of these sort of questions brought up is what and then again And when it comes to the beat too is so intriguing because obviously in those two genres the beat is so important, right? So like can you take the beat from another hip-hop song and then just kind of add your own hip-hop? you know rapping over it or You know, is that is that allowed or what and I think we're gonna see more and more of those questions and more and more of those Plagiarism cases coming up. Yeah, the whole thing I just keep thinking like man It's such a sticky situation and then you don't want to you don't want to like inhibit other people from creating But I think there needs to be a clearer No one I think everything sits right for someone to like sample the Like let's say that we will rock you beat and then like that exact recording And put other music over top of it because that's just not that's really the I guess, you know Like you said earlier, that's copyrightable like that and I'm sure you know this obviously much better than me What is like so how does that work? Isn't it like a mechanical license if you want to use that? What is that kind of stuff where if you did want to use it and you wanted to pay a lot of money you can? Basically get their permission and pay for it, correct. Yeah, exactly. So it wouldn't be a mechanical like so a mechanical For example, my band covered a psycho killer by the Talking Heads We sort of did our own take on it, you know, just threw it I just thought it'd be a cool song to cover especially with like sort of an updated View on it like more of a hard rock view instead of like a Talking Heads view on it So And it became like our most listened to song on Spotify. So we sort of did it on a whim, but So for that, for example, see that that's where we got a mechanical license So you just have to go through that the process is to get a mechanical license Which basically means that when we sell that cover song on iTunes, let's say we sell it for 99 cents 9 cents goes to the writers of it, which is the Talking Heads of David Byrne and Tina Yeah, yeah, three the three men writers from Talking Heads. So so that's a mechanical But as far as a sample, I mean if you're actually sampling a song so I had this other clients release a song that had a sample of Sort of obscure Paul Simon song, which is cool because I'm a huge Paul Simon fan And so it's kind of cool the clients like I've got the song I want to sample this little loop from Paul Simon. How do I do it? So I reached out to Paul Simon's like publishing company and it's like it's called like Paul Simon publishing in New York City And I got a hold of the lady and she's like, hey, she's like super friendly and she's like, yeah And I was like chatter. I thought I was like, do you know Paul? He's she's like, yeah, he comes in every couple of weeks Just to he lives nearby and he comes in and like asked what's happening with his catalogue and stuff Which I thought was just pretty badass that, you know, she actually knew Paul and then and then we so we Basically we had to go through that process and when it comes to that, I mean you can you have to get approval So in this situation we played her and I guess in theory she played to him the sample and a Lot of times it just goes to the publisher and the publisher decides if they want to but And yeah, they ended up approving it and so then we had to negotiate a fee for that and then and then maybe on that new song if the Sample is sort of an integral part of the new song which in hip-hop I mean sometimes these samples are so they're a huge part of this the new song then you negotiate How much songwriting goes to in this case Paul Simon? Yeah, right? So so then all of a sudden you're like you know, I think of all these These new songs that like are using old old tracks, you know an old songwriting It's such a it's such a windfall for these old artists, right? If they've you know if that Paul Simon song became a massive or the new one became a massive hit Then all of a sudden he just gets this windfall of money which without having to do anything, right? Yeah Pretty nice. So yeah, so yeah, so that's how that work in terms of like a sort of a sample situation