 Eileen's drinking water. I've got some peppery tea. They watch as Amos quietly scrambles the load up pages behind the scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why not? They could see all that stuff. Who cares? We're transparent here. Amos, I haven't told you this lately, but your beard is quite glorious. Thank you. What are we going to do in the summer? Keep it? So, I, I don't know. That's like a loaded question. It's just a normie. It's like two different lengths right now because this part likes to curl out. So about a month ago, I went on a weekend date with my wife up in Seattle. And I wanted to trim it up to make it real nice. So I trimmed it. And so now it's like some of this part is like shorter than this part. So I'm kind of like letting it grow out. I'm going to, my wife retired. My wife's retirement is on June 2nd. So that day. Oh, that's so fun. Oh my gosh, you must be relieved. I am going to let it grow and unencumbered other than the cleaning up to make it. I don't look like a, you know, until the daily wife is like, here's what we're doing. And then once the, once the retirement ceremony is over and the pictures are done, I'll decide if I want to trim it, cut it, keep it. Like I just wanted to look nice and full for the retirement ceremony. And then we can kind of go from wherever from there. Well, I think it looks nice right now. As someone who is growing out various lengths, the pair of myself, I feel, yeah, I feel, yeah. I tried to, I really tried with my bangs. I was like getting long and it was getting shaggy and I wanted to have like these long sort of curtain bangs. And you get that in between and I got too impatient. It's tough. And I just went to the bathroom. It's really, it's like a year commitment. You know, I mean, it's more than that if you really want to grow them up fully. But like, I know what you're talking about. And it's like, because I'm there right now where it's like, they're too long to have straight. They're weird to the side because they just look like, why did she cut half her? You know what I'm just like, I just have to wait this thing out. I gotta do it. It's hard. So hard. I had these visions of what it was going to be. And then I said, you know what? I know what's good. I know. Well, you know what? You look good with bangs. So there you have it. Yeah. Well, you know, they're just impossible to maintain, but they're fine. I, you know, I've been doing it all my life. Why stop now? Every time I get going, which is once every, I don't know, 10 years or so. I'm like, love them so cute. But like, I forgot. These are like hard to maintain. Yeah. If you don't have bangs, you just put your hair in a bun and go. Yup. I totally discourage people. That's why I barely wear hats. Cause if I wear a hat, these things get bent. And it's a whole, and it doesn't want to return to form. No, you have to like get them wet. Wet. Oh, it's a thing. Ladies out there, you know what we're talking about. Even guys out there, you know, you know. I took a shower last night before bed. You know, like my hair was dry before I like hit the sheets. But, you know, it was very freshly washed. And this morning it was like, I mean, I looked crazy. I was like, I basically need to dunk my hair in water again, just to like start over. And so I was like, never mind. Slick it back. Yeah. Yeah. When I go to the hair salon, I have to, and if it's not my regular girl, I have to be like, oh, you need to do my bangs first. Otherwise it's, there's no repair. I'm going to get this first. Everything else can wait. They're like, oh, okay. I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. They need, they need the attention first. Everything else. Well, because it's face framing. You know, it's like, I mean, it's, it's other stuff you can hide, but like bad bangs. What are you going to do? Like why? You know, when they don't ask me, when they do not ask me like, how do you have bangs at the beginning? I'm like, oh, this is okay. Emergency. I got to tell you right now. The Bang talk. Yeah. The, I have successfully restarted my machine. I have updated all, I'm going to like make sure to close out any extraneous apps that do not need to be here. In particular, you know, I think it's the Adobe stuff that, you know, like I had premiere on last time, you know, in the background and stuff like that. So like that is not happening today. You know, I, I'd be surprised if creative cloud was an issue for you last week, but I have had issues with like Dropbox, syncing weirdly and just, I don't know, just general weirdness. Same. There was one to say, I was like, what is happening? Why? Why is this happening? I'm, you know what? In fact, I'm just going to chuck out at creative cloud right now. Never know who says in chat. Amos pretty quiet on the topic of bangs. You know what? Everybody wants to talk about bangs. Yeah. Fringe. Yeah. Fringe. That's Fringe Zoey. Mm-hmm. Either works. Yeah. Ah, so no. It's like thongs versus flip-flops. Same thing. Same thing. Thongs, yeah. But the people who commented on our YouTube video last week, I mean, maybe we should say this for the show, but I'm very thankful because I've been, you know, making my day. Yeah. No, I, I, I was. Some people maybe didn't think it was that funny, but, but the few of you who are like, this is funny. You guys are good. It's good comedy. We were like, well, we didn't want it, want to be comedians, but, but you know, You just, you just have to just laugh. Otherwise it's like the worst thing. Cry. Yeah. No, you don't want crying. Oh, I, you know, actually crying is good for ratings, but anyway, I will say right now it's not going to happen today. Cause I'm in a great mood. Suns out, buns out all the things, but I will probably cry on the show at some point. Okay. It's just, I'm a crier. I cry. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a crier too, but somehow I hold it in. Wait, it just depends on what it is too. Totally. Yeah. Blake. I have, have you been watching? Okay. Okay. Tiny thing. And then, and then we go to the show. What's it called? Um, uh, life, life and Beth. Amy Schumer's. Oh no. I have not. Second season. I think it, it's wrapped now. Um, it's great show. I mean, you have to like Amy Schumer, but I do. Um, but, uh, the, um, and no spoilers, but the, the final episode of the second season is very, it's very, you know, family poignant, you know, stuff. And I mean, I watched it like, I was like, I've got 30 minutes to spare. You know, you know, kind of like midday. And at the end I was just like, sobbing. You know, like if somebody like walked in right now and I was like, I just watched this, the final episode of season two of life and Beth, they'd be like, Sarah, maybe you need to go outside. Aw. You know, but it just, you know, it's something that you're just like, I'm not even like freaking out right now. It's just, it's just happening. Yeah. Happening to the tear ducts. Oh, and, and you never know when it'll hit you too. It'll be the oddest time. And then like the next time you watch it, like why did I cry over this? But, you know, yeah. Um, yeah, I watch a lot of my Korean dramas are like that. Well, you know, it's like comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy. No, I'm not going to turn this on to laugh. Why did you get all mushy? And have you ever had one of those moments where you just like, I don't know. You've got mascara on for whatever reason, you know, and you go and like look at yourself in the bathroom later and you're like, Oh, Oh my God. Wow. What happened to that? Like, like, if I would have been out in public right now, someone would have stopped him and been like, ma'am, I have a little thing for Eileen in Korea a lot of the little restaurants like that are family run family owned Yeah, and they'll have the TV playing k-dramas, you know during well You're sitting there eating your meal and the half the the the the crew is half paying attention to the show and half paying attention To you because it's whatever We were sitting there eating just for GIs Sitting there eating one day and we we started to notice that a lot of the the wait staff And even the cook was like out of the kitchen like and they were watching the show and we're like man It must be like really really something going on. Yeah, and we just sat there like we we needed drinks You know, we need all the all the American stuff like give us our stuff We're you know, we're just sitting there like patiently waiting because they're all watching the show and then it cuts to commercial and Like all the like three waiters They all hurry up and handle all the tables and run back to watch the show again, and I was like, oh, this must be like live This must be something new So towards the end of our dinner, you know, the show is over and so like that and we we we asked our waiters Like so was that like a new show is that new episode? Oh, no, no, we've seen it many times We just love this episode Like they were pausing the entire restaurant for you know, seven eight minutes at a time waiting for commercials to come on for a recorded show This is good, that's a funny story because actually in k-dramas they will depict people in restaurants Riveted with whatever is going on the TV if everybody in the in the story is watching something And so I kind of like didn't really understand that and I don't I mean I noticed that when I was in Korea But that your stories that's awesome. It's so fun up there. It's such a different At some point a country I have not been to They're very it's very safe. I mean there are lots of countries. I haven't been to but you know, I've also been to a lot of countries I I think it's not that looks and sounds awesome. So do you go great in the transit app? There you go, yes And you're fine if you don't speak Korean I also just like I know Korea is much more than Seoul but Seoul being a huge ass city I just I love to explore a new city and just be like, okay, where do the quirks? You know, yeah, that's you know, let's figure out public transit. Yeah, let's see some neighborhoods Yep, the neighborhoods are great because you the shopping and just like wandering around and just like you'd like The cafe culture everything is so cool. It's just yeah, I Can I'm already like we wanted we wanted to go honestly. We wanted to go a couple weeks from now because MLB opener is there We can't we can't but well, you know Seriously thought about have to do is move closer to me and then we can all just walk over to Koreatown That's right. That's right. We could yeah in fact, you know We talked about this the other day because we found out that a famous favorite singer of ours Recorded her music video in LA in January and we're like, you know, January February is usually the time they start We're coming to LA and recording music videos. So we should just kind of like hey, Sarah Can we come over and then every once in a while, we're gonna go to walk down the street to see if we can pump it I mean honestly, you know My apartment not to be like braggy, but like it's like too big for just me I need oh, okay. I need some folks sit on my couch. It's all good. You know, I got an apple TV are fine I Have ice water you're fine. Oh Man is everybody ready for the show I'm ready for the show and I know yeah, you kind of have busy Mondays So I think yeah, oh, yeah, I think it's um It's about that time to get the party started Then let's do it. Let's do it Hello, everybody Welcome to Apple vision show. Oh, I lean Rivera thumbs up If only I could do it cuz I don't have an iPhone recording me I audio listeners. I lean is like kind of a show off You know, she she does these gestures and then she gets you know the fun iOS stuff I don't remember what the other ones are. It's like tie-five. Yeah, so, you know in I'm making tons of fun hearts and fireworks right now for those of you. You can't see just cuz I like to show Sarah. I Forgot honestly pre-show I started doing one and then I'm like When we were still in our kind of like testing phase. This is pretty like official episode one I was like, how did you do that? Let me try I can't why isn't it happening? Well, I which in hindsight was so stupid of me I'm like, why did I think a non-Apple product was gonna do the Apple things? But I didn't realize that you were using your iPhone as a camera, which actually is a very nice camera It's always looked really good Yeah, I just you know, these are fun things to have when you know, you're having conversations, you know I don't change my background. I don't What else can you do with virtual Meetings, you know, I just kind of keep it real except for these gestures. Let's go and in fact I'm taking Korean class and we're all on zoom and there's a lot of times that there's some gestures that happen I think it's like the peace sign and all of a sudden it's like, oh, there it is balloons happen On your screen. Did you miss it? Sarah? You did? No, I saw it. I saw it It's very lovely. Happy birthday Everybody happy March baby birthday and this is for all the March babies out there that are, you know, gonna be celebrating soon So, okay. Sorry. This is, you know, we're having a good time. Thank you everybody last week who endured our show and Yeah, so I mean for for our audio listeners, they might be like endured your show For the for the live folks and hi to all of you who are live Or who watched the video after the fact We just had some funny technical difficulties. We really don't know what happened I lean get bouncing out of of the of the stream And and coming back real quick, but it happened, you know More than once and by the end of it I I was laughing because what else are you gonna do that? I leave it's just like, okay That should not happen again So this is sort of the fun thing that you get if you join us live We're always available on demand, but you can join us live if you can We do record Mondays we're doing it. We're trying a new thing out where after DTNS Ends on Mondays because we do share the same stream where we're thinking what we'll do is Hop on, you know, right around 2 p.m. Pacific They might still be picking titles But in general wrapping up their stream and then start around 2 15 So if you jump in early all good, you might see the end of another show, but we'll we'll be here in a gif so Hi, everybody. I'm Sarah Lane and I'm Eileen Rivera and Yeah, let's talk about The visions for Apple. This is a show about all things Apple Obviously the Vision Pro has been a big topic of news as of late, but Apple I mean, I woke up to like quite a bit of Apple news this morning I lean almost to the point where I was like, huh interesting that there's no Apple event planned Yeah, we'll get we'll get to that in a second. That's a rumor by the way We don't know that for sure, but There's there's some force behind it. Um, our first topic is Is, uh, you know was big news last week. In fact, it was big news Right after we recorded episode four Because that's how the news cycle works, you know, they try to keep us on our toes But that was the report from Bloomberg's Mark Gurman that the Apple car project has been put on ice Yeah, maybe and definitely maybe not but for now not happening Right of around 2,000 employees We're working on the project. That is a large startup by the way You know, just just that amount of people working on something that no one really knew anything about That's a that's a big number of folks. Some of them reportedly Will be laid off or have been And some others will be moved over to the AI Department of Apple, which is We kind of have two stories here, right? It's like what happened to the car and What's the AI team doing? So let's start with the car. What do you think? I mean It sounds to me and at least the article that I was reading with mark gurman that they really wanted to compete with tesla and it just The things the ambitious Um, things that apple wanted to take on they just decided like it probably wouldn't be cost effective at the end of the day Right? We were talking a little bit about that last week like business decisions as it as it pertains to this You know potential ring and like they have so many different divisions And like you said 2,000 people working on the car. That's a hefty division Now for some of them to not be there and some of them to move on to a different project like there are all kinds of divisions at apple and There is a larger picture to think about, you know What will be the the the biggest make and also have a good return Is you know that that seems to the car is such a new avenue for apple Um, I was quite surprised that it was you know, something that they were thinking about But thinking thinking about doing in the first place. Yeah thinking about doing in the first place But you know, I think What they wanted to do and really go into like self-driving. I mean, there's just we're just not there yet, right? so Perhaps this could be something that comes back but Uh, at this point they just it sounds like they've decided that there are other priorities that you know deserve To be put forward Uh, and that's not the car and I don't know maybe, you know, I was thinking about it Like is that because apple sees a world where we're not driving and we have more transit options And I'm talking you I'm talking you Yeah, you know Right, where are you going? You know, is that what they're seeing that they're thinking well the car And the car life that we all know won't be the thing in the future Which to me is exciting because I mean, I hope and I don't know Maybe I just have to move to a place that has more transit options. But that's you know driving As I get older, I don't like driving. I want somebody to drive for me And and I see people just driving crazily on the road now and I'm just like, oh, it makes me mad. I don't like having road rage Um, so maybe that's I was thinking that maybe apple's seeing a different vision of the world that doesn't involve cars You know, I having thought about this story for the last week um it it It feels Extremely apple to me for a variety of reasons number one apple Doesn't want to compete with tesla. It wants to have like the better car, right in 2014 when the project You know started floating around in rumors Um apple was riding high. Um, it you know was doing really well, you know had totally upended the uh smartphone industry It was like about to announce the apple watch Uh, you know, apple was the apple was in a cool space. So the idea of like, well, they're now they're gonna make a car You know, and they're gonna disrupt that one too and of course again, uh apple never really talked about this uh project project titan as it was known internally But uh, it was a known thing that was happening but Over the, you know, okay. So over the last decade since then A lot of other companies have had issues with self-driving vehicles You know, some of that stuff is like, you know, the robo taxi industry Some of that is tesla also, you know having to recall vehicles because they weren't working as advertised Especially when it comes to self-driving modes I feel like, you know for a lot of people just being like, uh, apple just dropped the ball on this one I think apple just sat back Not that they weren't working on a car because i'm positive that All those employees, there was a lot going on and and was just like, yeah, we're not ready. World is not ready um, you know, let let's let the other companies uh Flail and and figure out, you know, legality issues all the issues and and maybe come back to this and maybe not Yeah, it's maybe not Yeah, I mean like, you know, it is the hot button these days for AI So Moving more people into that arena and i'm excited to talk about AI at some point We had a very cool guest plan to help us with AI and I think he'll help us later um, which is totally, uh, which is great, but I I think you know That's I think it's the smart move to shelve this and and move their their people into thinking about ways that their current products can um, I don't know up level with better AI uh, you know software and technology, right? So, um, well, yeah, I don't know of the okay 2000 ish employees Of of those folks that are stained with apple and moving into generative AI. It's sort of like. Hmm. What is that? Siri, I mean, what are we doing? Right? What is that? You know, I think yeah I mean, I think that's lots of things Siri or whatever Siri becomes in the future is a big part of that, but I also feel like I mean apple especially with as many, uh Car companies and sometimes these are concept cars So they're not necessarily going to see the light of day for you know on a consumer level But you know this whole idea of like the entire dash is a display you know where you can Just fire up some software option You know car play and right auto We don't really have that many options right now. We have good options for you know newer cars But something that's a real like full display That is what cars seem to be going in the direction of Yeah, I was really working on something that's like an AI based version of a software Solution for a car is like that's an apple car to me Yeah, you know besides the exterior I was really looking at the ionic six because of the dashboard display that I have I mean, I'm not ready to pull the trigger yet, but my next car will be probably electric and um, that was the car that I was eyeing and I don't need it yet But I love the way it looks and I'm like so close to like just wanting to test drive But I just don't want them calling me like five times a day like did you think of the gore? What do you think in the car when I'm not ready to buy so, um, but it was just you know So What what what do we got to do to get you out of here with an ionic six today? Free how about free? How about you know Give it to me for free and I will I will take it off the lot. Yeah Um, but it you know it looked gorgeous the display and it just looks so You know, that's the future right? Yeah And I can see everything even in the dark and I can move things around So I can see like this this pedometer or whatever I don't know just there was stuff about it that I was like this is the future And I love my car, but it is 2011. So it's Archaic and bluetooth in the way that you know, I don't even have car play I have had car play when I rented cars and I love it But my car doesn't have car play and so, um, I just I have a um, I have a 2019 Volvo It is car play supported but only wired Does not have wireless support that was like in of course the next year's model the next year, of course Which is and again like there's I've got a little center console like it's not a big deal to plug it in But I'm like wireless would be better Um, but uh, but yeah, it has Totally changed my life Yeah to the point where because I'm not only charging my phone in the car because I have to because I have to plug it in But I you know, I have access to a bunch of stuff car play is limited it's okay, it's uh You're not going to be able to do everything you want to do that's by design because it's like safety first, right? It's like you can't even read read your messages if like if you text me while I'm driving It's like message from Eileen says You know, would you like to respond? You know, and you know, that's because if I'm looking at your message That's that's no good. It's basically like looking at your phone. Um, but It's great. It's great. I I uh, if I don't If I don't have car play, I'm not going to die or anything But I'm like, oh man, I just want the option. I want my phone to be on that dashboard in some capacity I mean sarah, my car is so archaic. I don't even have the camera to you know Most cars now have the cameras to back up and you can see behind. I don't even have that I have bluetooth. I have a bluetooth dongle You're probably a better driver for that to be honest. Maybe I am. I don't know, you know the camera's nice But sometimes I'm like I should really just look behind me The phone is on the dashboard the phone is on the dashboard for the maps and um, My bluetooth dongle to connect to hear my music It works sometimes and it doesn't work and usually whoever's in the passenger seat, which is usually tom They the my car wants to only pick the person on the driver's seat or not not another on the passenger seat Not the actual driver who's going to be You know wanting their music played. It's just weird. Anyway, is That's nothing to cry about little course. Nothing to cry about. It's been a great car But at some point whenever I upgrade like that's why I was excited about the apple car. I'm like, oh, what are they doing? I mean, I bet I wasn't going to be able to afford it. Anyway, uh, maybe would still want the iconic six, but um, I You know, usually when apple like we said enters the chat, they're going to up level You know, whatever Uh, industry they're in their or newest offering that they are now taking a part of and and and You know force other Um, uh manufacturers to do the same, you know and and and come up with other innovative Options and in this case for the car, maybe there's safety. Maybe there's I don't you know, there's just so many things that I feel like Probably apple had the best intentions, but again looking at the business It probably like you said, it's just not the right time But maybe maybe later, you know, I mean on the software side of things apple is notorious for catching up With android for example, and then just being like We reinvented the wheel and android people ever are like, uh, we've had this feature for years or ever Yeah, but when it comes to hardware Yeah, apple doesn't release anything that's catching up with anybody In it's in it's own eyes, right? I mean you might say, oh, yeah, that vision pro is catching up with the quest You know, that's It's there there are lots of ways to to to look at something But I I believe that the company when it comes to hardware says we're the best at this Yeah, we uh, you know if we're going to make a car It's not going to be you know, uh, you know a half baked vision It's going to be the best car you've ever seen and they simply Decided it wasn't worth the research and the money. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean, I would I would have bought an apple car. Well, I Oh, you would have $100,000, but like I mean, I would have wanted to see this I really wanted it, you know, I thought this is kind of far-fetched The project seems, you know, it was so willy-nilly As far as the rumor mill goes for so long I was like, I don't really I don't really expect one, but I would have wanted I would have wanted one big I definitely wanted to see it and you know I'm sure somebody hopefully that I knew like you Sarah would own one and then I can ride in one for a little bit and see Someone like me Eileen, you know flush with cash. I mean just coming out of my ears Well, you know, maybe there was like, um I would buy an apple car and eat top ramen for five years. I would I would have done that Okay, that's what there it is, you know taken taken one for the team the the collective team here But anyway, yeah, so we're not getting a car um the AI efforts from apple Are largely still under wraps We know that the company as many are are working is working on, uh, some Some, uh generative models, um again apple historically silent about what they're working on behind the scenes But uh suffice to say that's happening what I think is Interesting about the timing of all of this Eileen is that the the new rumor is that we're not getting A spring apple event Apple has done this before where they just said hey, here's new stuff Uh, we're not gonna like Do the whole you know, um tim cook and you know the you know drone footage from apple campus headquarters We're just gonna tell you what's now and today Monday, uh February uh February march 4th as we're recording this uh one of those situations Where we heard that there are two new um Mac Macbook air models the 13 and the 15 inch that have the new m3 chip in Involved and I got to say i'm not in the the market for a new For a new air. Uh, I have the m1 air which I love Same right right or die. Love that thing um, but um, I'm excited At some point. Well, I'm not excited for my mac book to die. I want it to never die But I'm excited to hear more about the m3 chips and what I really want is an m3 mac mini That's what oh And that's also really to come out later this year My mac mini which I'm using for the show and I've been using For all of my podcasting efforts, you know, especially live streaming since 2019 Was just prior to the m1 I just you know my timing is impeccable So so it's not an m1 mac mini It's a nice little machine, but it huffs some puffs sometimes You know, I think that that's probably gonna be my it's starting to get tired and it's hot And it just it just it's acting weird lately. I run it hard. So, you know, that's what happens But I'm also like, you know, my my m1 mac book air doesn't even doesn't even talk back And all you're doing is just your fans going all day and All I did was open chrome. What's wrong with you? So I think I think at least an m1 mac mini in my future It may be refurbished Right. Why not right right because the other one's starting to you know, say, you know what? I think I need to retire it might you know, it's starting to give you signals It's giving you a warning, you know, it's giving me a boy. I'm I'm getting tired also Once you have a you know, in this case, this is not apples to apples Ha ha because I'm talking about an air versus a mac mini and they're different Um, but you know, when I first got the m1 air You know, I I I understood what was under the hood and why it was different than an intel mac But I was like, oh my god, it doesn't it it there's no fake like there's no fail Yeah, I don't hear anything on my I haven't thought about that in a while because now I'm used to it Um, but that used to just be like when you know like, okay, I'm I'm computing pretty hard right now Yeah fans rolling up And my mac mini still does that where I'm like, ah, yeah, sorry. Sorry Yeah, like my mac book pro did not give me a warning that I was going down. It just went down. It was like, okay Yeah, right, right, right um yeah, I uh It feels like you know, I'm actually Excited that we're not having like a major pomp and circumstance announcement mostly because um You know that I don't know how many of these do we need per year, right? um, it's fine to just give me, you know, the And the site and just tell me tell us what it is. It's fine. Um, I mean obviously if it was something That we'd never heard before then you probably want the presentation, but these are you know an upgrade It's not even you know a to me. It doesn't sound revolutionary, but it's a great upgrade for somebody who Have been waiting for it. Um, but nothing earth shattering right nothing like um That we need to shuttle out to go on stage and everybody else well, and I think a lot of companies because the sort of like, you know big event which apple made Well, I don't say apple made popular, but it made it to be like a you know appointment, you know, you gotta you gotta be part of this um, if you don't have Excuse me a huge announcement Then people walk away going I don't know about all this Even though it might be a bunch of products that Are working for people and again, this is not only apple. I mean All the companies, you know Either have like a big launch event for something that you know surprises and delights or disappoints people But if you if you don't do the big launch event, then you can be like, okay Here's uh some new products that uh, you might have been waiting for and we don't have to be like This is the most revolutionary thing on the market because sometimes it's not it's just you know next gen stuff I think you're right. I think apple knew that this was you know, it's just an upgrade and it's a good one But it's an upgrade that is yeah, you know was going to happen anyway But why put all the resources into making such a big deal out of it? It's we we definitely would have walked away with like, oh, well, it's just that You know that attitude would have definitely happened. Yeah now. I mean there are other rumors, uh, which i'm really excited about and um It we could get new ipad pros which uh, you know is is that's the the next rumor, right the ipad and You know a magic keyboard with an m3 chip. I have an m2 I'm not gonna upgrade but I am curious um And you know, then there's also talk about a new apple pencil and what that is but I feel like that's really for um designers and Who need more control than what is given on an app. They want control on the actual pencil these are all again rumors that I've been reading and um Watching, you know other vloggers online talking about what could happen with the ipad pro But that one seems to be one that everyone's waiting for because it has been a while It has been a while since the last upgrade So this is one that again, does it warrant a presentation maybe not but This is the one that you know, I think people are hoping to have even better Upgrades than maybe, you know the air or the pro Well the ipad pro I mean the ipad line you you have options, but the ipad pro specifically Um, and you know somebody correct me if i'm wrong here Is is designed to be a laptop? You know, yeah, you've got you've got your you know, your Keyboard that you can you know, you can dock it. You can you know, you can use it as A primary computer. I've never had a pro Not an ipad pro. Um the last ipad I I got was uh for work Um, and that was A solid 10 years. No, maybe no not 10 years ago. I think I think I think the last ipad that I got which was a work thing was the ipad air and that would probably have been 2015 It's been a while. Yeah. Um, yeah, you know, so so and and listen older ipads work great for stuff Um, depending on what you want to do. I would not use one of my ipads That I have, you know in my ipad drawer as a primary computer It just they just lug along, you know, they're they they're they're not snappy enough. Um, and I'm you know Lucky enough to have other options, but I think that the ipad pro Really is you know for some people it's like it's a tablet. It's a computer. It's everything love the form factor This is this is a pro device. What I've never Felt the need to get is the pencil and part of that Eileen is because You know, I have no artistic skill. Um, I also don't On physical paper write notes down very often. Um, I don't even know if I have a pen in my house right now I just don't like there you know and people and people like honestly like I might not have a pen in my house I'll you know, it's like wow look stick in here in this drawer. I don't have a pen But but um, but some people are like, oh no, I have to you know, it's not even like sketching stuff It's just physically writing down notes That some people, you know, feel like their brain Retains information better that way, which I think is true Super true and uh, so the so the pencil or any sort of Apple-esque pencil device for other um For other hardware options are really great options for a lot of folks But like there are a lot of folks who you know carry around moleskin Um, I know You know and and just you know just write down little notes, which I think is like the cutest thing. I'm like, I wish I had that Gene, I just I seem to be missing it. I'm just like, I don't know. Give me give me my macbook here And I'll read it in the notes out So I've had my iPad pros for Six months now a little over six months and I did get the pencil and I'm not artistic But I do take a lot of notes and I found that I had multiple Not moleskin, but multiple notebooks that I've been given and all the notes are all over the place So I wanted to just get rid of that and just know that I was going to find all my notes in one place So that's partially why and I was just curious about the pencil But I actually really love using this even though I'm not I don't do drawings But sometimes I there's actually a coloring app, which is cool. Yeah, just for like Therapeutic purposes, but apart from that I use Uh, this app. I've talked about it before good notes. Um, and I I write I do things for my Korean class I take, you know, uh notes and I you know, plan my day with it and things like that I just really love incorporating this pencil for whatever reason into my day And I have like a protector on the iPad. So Um, it's called paper like and so when you when you write when you actually write on the iPad It sounds like you're writing on a piece of paper, which yeah, I love that I know it's kind of a gimmicky thing But it actually works and it makes me not afraid to use the pencil and it gives some protection to the glass Um, and I do say that I do think that there have been a few minor moments where and I don't have a keyboard I'm shopping for a keyboard. Um, if anybody has a good keyboard recommendation, please let me know Um, I didn't go for the apple magic keyboard because it's a little pricey So I've been looking at some of the cheaper ones on amazon But anyway, my point going to keyboard and oh, I gotta say I mean You know, this is whatever, you know, the one with the number number key It's Okay, I mean, yeah It's fine. I have this here, but like Um, I have my own little, you know bluetooth, uh keyboard apple keyboard, but I wanted the the ipad one, you know, the one the magic But I'm like, I don't know if it's worth the money and there's the logitech It's just a little bit more expensive and they have all this then there's all the third party ones that are like $50. I'm like, oh, but how good is that and I just haven't pulled the trigger Um, but last night, um, I'm just gonna, you know, throw under the bus, uh this app But I was on linkedin and I had some like subscription to linkedin that I don't need anymore And so I literally was like, okay, let me go on the app on the ipad and just delete the subscription No, you got to go to your desktop. Oh, okay. Well, let me try on the because it's supposed to be a laptop Right, let me just try on the browser on chrome. So let me go in the, you know, browser Oh, no, we detect you got to go on your desktop to Cancel this first of all, they're trying so hard not to get me to cancel the subscription I understand that but are you serious like not even on the browser because I'm on a browser On my laptop to cancel the subscription, which I did cancel linkedin. Sorry Um I couldn't do it You live that truth. I was a little upset at that. I was like, are you are you kidding me? Like it's the same browser just on a different device and you detected that I was on the ipad and not the um, not my laptop That was rude. Anyway, I'm glad I canceled so I'm getting this out now because I was so frustrated that I had to like leave my room where I was Something from linkedin might hear this like well, you know what fix it make this make your Your software Better available on the ipad because it is a computer Something similar. Well, I mean sort of similar just as far as being like, I don't want to pay for something I don't use uh going back to creative cloud, which we were talking about. Um, oh, yeah, we started the show I so I one of my freelance jobs is producing this podcast called unfinished biz and we've been on hiatus for a while and but but part of My job is to do some stuff in photoshop when it's time to publish the episode You know, we kind of do some artwork and a friend of mine who's way better at this than I am was sort of like Here's your template. Here's how you know, you you create these real nice album art thumbnails, you know Um, which required me to have a photoshop subscription That's easy 10 bucks a month But on hiatus, I'm like, oh, wait a second. I mean I I really I mean I wish I had another reason to like play around in photoshop I just don't right now So like the 10 dollars a month is is truly me burning money Yeah, of course and many of you have probably been through this, you know, I go in to cancel and adobe's like How about two free months? You know on us and I'm like done Do you have like a calendar reminder to tell you to like I I always do that. I always do that because that's how they'll get you, you know They want me to forget and then they start charging me again. So I'm like the day before Put a calendar reminder But I'm like this is like I'm like yay free photoshop for a couple of months That you're gonna have been a customer for a while. So, you know, I it's I'm good for it But I was like, well, is this gonna make you use it? Are you gonna end up using it just because you know, you have two Free months or you're just just gonna probably not, you know, it's just free I don't have to pay for two months 60 days Free, you know what we're gonna say though, they're gonna say when you're ready to cancel How about another two free months and you're gonna take it and then I'll say, okay You know, what did they say? $199 $199, what did they do? Then I'd be like, you know what? Yeah, a cup of coffee is way more than this $199 But 10 bucks, you know, 10 bucks is too much. I know it's like 10 bucks per month is not the end of the world But it does add up, you know, we've all got bills Absolutely, and you know as far as You know, I subscribe to apple Fitness plus do I use it? No Never I don't know why I have no good reason Also $10 a month, you know, it's like you have to pick and choose your battles Absolutely the today I was like, why do I even have the t-mobile? Watch my what you guys know if you've been listening now my watch is series four and it dies And I'm not even using it right now because I'm like, oh, I don't want to take it off the charger I'm sad. So why do I even have that? Why am I even billed $10 a month for the watch thing right now? Like I I need to cancel it. So I'm going to cancel I'll I'll get back to you guys on that whether or not t-mobile is like free Keep it free because I'm gonna cancel it You know, I feel like sometimes when you're you know, it's like breaking breaking up with a partner You know, you're like, you know what I'm out of here and they're like, how about I'm better and you're like, okay Oh, are you better? Actually, you know what? I almost Canceled creative cloud like I have the whole suite which I honestly don't need and I'm actually thinking about cancelling Uh because I'm thinking about going back to final cut pro to edit. That's a whole different thing So with adobe creative cloud, it's like $59.99. So I was like nope can't They gave me a deal $29.99 and I was like, oh and I'm definitely using adobe premiere right now But I'm not using motion and I use adobe reader But I'm not using most of the stuff. I'm not even using photoshop. So now I'm like Maybe I don't need it and I started using cap cut, but that's not that's not great. It's best on your To me. I don't like the desktop as much as I like it on my phone. So that's a different situation but like a real robust Editing, uh, I have a few people that are like final cut pro. I'm like, well, I learned on final cut pro and I got rid of it And now I'm on adobe, but do I really want to pay this monthly? So I don't know. I think I might Anyway, I'll get back. We'll get back to you on the subscriptions. This is a real thing This is a real problem for everybody, right like down to you know, how many subscriptions do you have like It really is because you know the whole and this is we could have Whole episode on subscription based things Why they're good. Why they're bad. I think there are Really good arguments for both, but I do know because I'm a person who sometimes will just Pay for convenience because I'm like in the moment like Just do that And then six months later. I'm like, what am I paying for it? This is crazy. I have no money Yeah, you know why why am I doing it because you don't use it right and like yeah You don't use it or it turns into something where it's like, oh You know, it was it was billed as A really great way to like only pay for what you use But you know subscription stuff never goes away. You know, it's like it's like paying for that layaway couch forever But you never stop paying for it You just keep paying for it and you're like, it's a good couch, but like do I like it that much? I have a subscription to a magazine called dwell, which is about homes and I love I'm really into it, but do I need it now? I don't think I need it my uh yearly subscriptions coming up in in april and I have it in my calendar to cancel So again, I will get back to you guys on that, but that's just one of those things It's like tracking all this stuff like oh, I don't even want to track it. So I'm I'm tired I'm tired of all of this, but I think we went on a tangent because of the ipad and uh, the the rumor is an m3 Chip in this in the next version with Yeah, yeah, not only the the uh mac book air, but the ipad pro Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I meant I meant the ipad pro. Did I say mac book air? I'm mad. See I'm so mad about these cancelling subscriptions. Um Sorry They're a lot of rocks here, Eileen. You know, I mean it's not our fault. I'm still mad about linkedin I can't believe you didn't let me do it. I'm just saying Eileen's like got linkedin on the brain Yeah, uh, yes. So yes, there um, there is an m3 rumor. Um, I I mean I would call it more than a rumor. Um, because it's coming from a very good source Yeah, which is mark german from bloomberg who just obviously I don't know like Who did he just knows? He just knows everything about apple. You know, he might actually like secretly be an employee at this point I don't know But um, but but yeah, so that would be cool. Um, yeah, I mean they're supposed to be thinner they're supposed to have the What do you call this the the magsafe charge the charging on the back? Um, if possible, I mean, you know, I don't know But um, I don't know. I think yours is only six months old, right? So like, I know I'm not gonna get a new one I'm not but but do you feel like you hold it and think It should be thinner Oh, absolutely not. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with this size. I don't have yeah, I'm totally great. I mean if it's thinner It's not a bad thing more fragile. It's not a bad thing. Is it more fragile? Probably not. It'll be fine But I'm this is a great. This is a great size. You know, I have the 11 inch ipad pro and I'm completely happy with it Uh, I will I won't be happy if there's bells and whistles on the new one that I can't um take advantage of but You know, that's just what happens with tech I'm not gonna exactly they're always gonna get you somewhere. I mean until recently when um our Very good friend of the show lamar wilson um was was generous enough to Share an iphone 15 pro max max pro pro max uh with me Um, I was using the 13 skip the 14 entirely. I was like, you know, I'm not gonna do this every year. Come on Yeah, um, but like there was nothing wrong with that phone I would have had that phone until I smashed it on the street, which would inevitably happen because I don't use a case But otherwise I wasn't gonna buy anyone Um, but but you know to your point There are really cool photography things in the 15 that I didn't have before And I didn't care before until I had them and now I'm like, oh, yeah, this is the way to go But I would never say to somebody, you know, who's I don't know if you have like a 10 x max Yeah, uh, I I would never be like, oh you need to buy a new phone like use the phone that works for you Or the device that works for you the ipad that works for you the you know the the laptop whatever So I was gonna ask you sorry tangent here, but speaking of your iphone 15 And I don't see it here right now, which I'm I'm I know I took a screen grab But there was a button on your camera that would say it looked like the vision pro Did you see that on your camera where if you tapped the camera? In that button on your it's not here anymore, but on your phone You would be recording Video or taking a picture that would be appropriate for your vision pro Yeah, did you see that on your thing? Did you do that? Does it look great? Well, I don't have anything to show you guys now But I tried it out. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it looked great. I mean it looked Uh, like it was organic. I guess You know, okay Yeah But nothing to write to be excited about and and I see this because I I I've done I've done a Precious few recordings Um with the vision pro just because I don't know I work from home. No one's around I'm just I'm mostly just yeah, like there's checking things out and being like he he You know, no, no, no, um, and that's the end of it. Um I should probably do more recording. Um, some of you might get a kick out of it. I'll I'll record it Otis the dog, uh, but uh, yeah, but um, no, I I yeah it it worked Yeah, the the two pair together pretty well. Yeah, okay, you know, as long as you're on the wi-fi network Well, there's speaking of no, I bring that up partially because there's other rumors that ios Well, what are we on 18? Could have more of a vision pro look circular icons, you know The the feel like maybe there's some environment not surprised me that tie in to the vision pro that you will see on your iPhone And your iPad, right? Some people are excited about it. Some people are like hell. No, so you know change nobody likes change but it does make sense that uh They would want to tie in the os for all three devices, right? You want to have something cohesive? Oh, yeah Yeah, 100 percent. I feel like it's gonna happen anytime anything changes that is, you know, uh physical, right? Yeah, when apple moved away from skeu morphic Icons for example, you know, everyone was like, oh my god, it's a big deal. But like, yeah, it's the future and It's kind of gone back and forth depending on, you know, the third party developers that are in the max But yes to have something that feels more uniform I will so I will say so the vision pro I I still think is an amazing device. I I struggle to Find a like oh, I have to use this use case for it on a daily basis. It's more of like I've got an hour or two to spare. Let's have some fun. That's fine, too But I think I think in order to make it work Uh in an ecosystem going forward. It has to be something like it's like a must-have, right? Like your ipad pro or, you know, my macbook air or whatever it's like Whatever it is that is a must-have they got to figure that out And we're in the early days of that but um, I do feel like it It doesn't feel like Using ios At all. Oh, okay. I guess it sort of does in the sense that you can You can mirror your other You know, like I can mirror my macbook air for example And and use the macbook air as my primary computer while i'm using the vision pro, but It still feels just it's new. It's different. It's wonky It's weird And um, there are new apps being added every day that are wonky and weird But sometimes really cool So yeah, yeah, yeah we like The design itself though, like you don't have it. I mean, I it seems like the design of The ios in vision pro isn't anything to be offended by like, you know, like some like I said some people are like I know what the circular icons, but I mean I I don't see that that would mean icons either Oh, okay, so you don't do you not want that on the phone then even the ipad? I mean, it's not the end of the world. I will get used to it, but like even when Well, okay, rip tweetbot um, but When you know twitter was still twitter and tweetbot was a third party Twitter app There was always an option to have circular or square icons for like people's profiles And I was like, who would ever choose circular like you're cutting off all the good stuff make it square always square always But that's just you know, you know Everybody likes their their stuff. Everybody likes their thing. Everybody likes their thing You like your eggs, you know made a certain way the same Sam Well, I kind of believe it's coming. So I think everybody It's coming But you know, there's so many other apps that you could third party apps that you could use to reskin You know make it look different than what the you know current os will be or is So Don't fret. You can you can customize all you want If it happens, you can totally change it if you don't like it. Exactly. Um, and that's the price of life Absolutely, absolutely. Uh, I was trying to check the chat to see if there was any Comments on here. Um Oh, uh, can't notice where the apple vision pro Like doggles doggles What's a doggle? Oh, I think like goggles, you know, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know if that was the term. I didn't know I yeah, I think I think that meant like goggles. I mean soyer had to wear some he's had some Laser therapy for his hips and they covered his eyes with goggles He looks like he's like an aviator now What is that? Sawyer my dog Airbud Um, you know swear can be in the airbud remake Which will inevitably happen because they remake every single movie, you know Um, although doggles is like a funny You could almost say that about the vision pro because they're goggles But there's also a dongle a dog I don't know Just work shopping it. I don't know Not a great not a great one Um, but yes from rohan who is in our chat. Have you tried watching movies with the vision pro? Uh, any good still no netflix Um, you can still access a netflix account through safari So it's not as if it's you know Totally blocked off to you. Um, it is if you're in the mood and I I say this, um You know The only thing I can really compare it to is oh my god. Look at swear His doggles Those of you who can't see who are only listening, uh, amos who is Uh showing us a picture of my dog soyer with his doggles Getting his laser surgeries. You can see in the back So happy Oh my I think he's acting you put goggles on a dog and my day is made um, but yeah, just to quickly go back to um the Watching movie stuff. I feel like so a lot of people are like on a plane. This is amazing Okay, but yeah, we're not all on planes. We're not all getting on planes. Yeah, exactly So it's like when is this amazing and who is it amazing for I think if you are As as I am, you know, sometimes you're like, I just want to be you know, I fully immersive You know, I want this to like wrap around my brain. I'm not talking to anybody Phone's not gonna ring. No one else is in the house. This is awesome I wouldn't do it every day just to do it I mean, we are getting close to the Oscars. So I'm watching more movies than Usual because I you know, I want to see the good stuff, you know, so I have an opinion So so there's that um, but uh Yeah, I don't know I I don't you know, this goes back to our I think you know our conversation really from episode one is like If you don't have the space to make like a big home theater This is this is your jam You know, it's expensive But it is it is totally, you know, a full immersive experience I just think if you have a comfy room where you're like, yes my tb. I just watch it. Yeah, it's all good You know breathe it breathe the air see the people around me. Maybe I have roommates. Who who knows? Yeah, um that that it's not like the end. I'll be all it doesn't make Experiencing entertainment better I don't think I think it makes it Specifically better in us, you know in a certain way Yeah, yeah, but it'll evolve too. So eventually, you know, like like you said last Sara with your dream and the glasses. I did hear that part. I didn't die during that part of the show That maybe it would be an even better immersive experience Uh together. Oh, and then I still haven't heard about, you know, online dating Uh with Nobody got back to us on that everybody was like, uh, no one wants to admit it I know you all better than you think And myself as well. Um, yeah, I don't know I'll dive in there. It'll be Fun and or scary See everybody there's a baker here just too immersive, you know I know I know To me all good I almost tried to encourage this by snipping out the portion of the show With you saying that but my recording was so messed up from last week. Just I kind of like almost so Now I can't do anymore Uh, so anyway um, all right, so, uh We are going to take a quick break and come back and talk a little bit about uh, some of our feedback that we've gotten That was a little clunky I could do better with that Oh, good. Thank you. Amos. Thank you for that that way. I can see that when I edit the show Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice Um, all right You can bring us back. There we are. There we are All right, so Eileen you saw this one. We were talking about the vision pro, uh a little bit earlier and people are starting to make vision pro I don't know like artistic covers. Yes artistic covers it looks like a want to be spider-man hood or I mean like Depending on the design Um, I think there will be people who really like this, but it's fun to see, you know People getting creative with covers on the apple vision pro now. I apparently you could see through these So I don't know if this is something you would be interested in at all sarah Or if you think this is like unnecessary But you know or maybe a better design for you and what you're looking for versus this Uh, but I just thought it was kind of interesting to see people now get creative with the uh The covers for the vision pro Um, but yeah, apparently you could still see through this. Would you wear it? I would so okay, so for anybody listening to the audio version of this this comes from a X user named kyle goodrich Who said I designed a cover for the apple vision pro the holes line up with the cameras and sensors So tracking and capture work as expected thinking of making a small run of these if there's enough demand Leave a note if you want one and it's kind of Flynn stony I guess. Oh flint stony. Oh, wow. I didn't hit that. Okay. We're maybe like I don't know that rock that has a lot of holes in it. I don't I don't know What we're looking at basically is somebody who Yeah, added a Essentially a case onto the front of the vision pro without compromising any of the camera um and sensor ability What I loved because this is the internet after all Um is somebody who said right away. Thank goodness. You know what everyone says apple vision pro needs More weight on the front Which is like, okay calm down, you know, you don't have to buy this This is somebody like trying to be cool and do something different, you know This is like it's not unlike the idea of You know rocking an iphone case that makes your iphone look different than all other iphone's like this is fine Let the man live let the man live everybody likes to complain about things, but you know let himself something that is Uh, I mean, it's a It's a style statement for sure. Yeah, but if it works That's cool. I like it, you know This person makes a ton of money The person is going to be laughing, you know to the bank You made fun of my thing I made an X amount of money on this so I don't know. I just think it's cool that people are coming up with um, you know creative designs because of course, you know, like I think about like do I do I just put stickers on my uh airpod Pro max or do I get like those cool cute covers? You know to Design that I don't know. I don't know how much more money I want to spend like doing that but um Yeah, I kind of look at him like this kind of bear like I think I need some design on my uh airpods here But what would I do? So For anybody out there who are just thinking and giving it a little bit maybe maybe this person, you know Or or maybe somebody out there just wants to look different, you know walking down the street with You're one of the what what percentage of people have actually bought the apple vision pro I think we were looking at numbers of like 200,000. Maybe units have been sold. That was the winner Well, it's it's estimated that up to 250,000 Um and that comes from menchiquo who is good at these things um analyst uh closely following me and apple for a number of years Um is actually superseding what apple thought, you know, right? The you know the the top of that number would be which was around 2000 200,000. Sorry So so yeah Yeah, the whole sort of like oh people are returning in the vision pro. It's like If you did if you bought it and returned it. I mean you might have a legit response Uh or a legit reason But there's probably just a few of those people who never thought that they were going to keep it anyway You know wanted to make some videos get their money back and then just be like it's not for me And then everyone was like oh my god. No one wants to keep it. I mean I do It's awesome Well, yeah, and I think there's just going to be future uses for it So, you know now you've got the unit and you can just kind of wait to see what else springs up because we're not getting a car We don't know if we're gonna get a ring not getting a car. Yeah. Yeah ring You know in the future tbd um speaking of rings um and first of all before we uh get to some feedback uh reminder that our email address is feedback at apple vision show dot com We're also on instagram apple vision show. Uh, we are also on tiktok apple vision show And on youtube we are on the daily tech news show youtube account So that's youtube.com slash daily tech news show And we got some real nice responses on our show last week Some of it was uh about how eileen and I should get into comedy Because we're really really funny when we have technical difficulties. So thank you for that But uh mac tx had a couple notes on Stuff we specifically talked about last week. Uh one was as for the ring They say I use my apple watch too much Swap it out for a ring that only tracks biometrics and as for Whether you rock a case or you don't have a case The only thing that goes on my phone says mac tx is a screen protector I just don't like the bulk of a case um I am I'm with you on both. I'm with you on both here I actually I mean I I wear my apple watch, you know all day Sometimes in the shower because I forget that I'm wearing it. That's how much like it's like a part of my person I wear it at night. Um, I love all the stuff But to be honest Mostly all I'm really doing is biometrics I have lots of apps that are you know available to me on and yeah Yeah, and I you know I get notifications here and there, you know stuff that I want to come that would be on my phone anyway But um, but I hear you If you got a ring There's precious, uh You know Few areas of real estate that you could you know Precious ring you get it you get it. Yeah You know Precious ring Um, I've been thinking about the watch a little bit more I the things I use it for obviously are the health stuff and I love the timer Like if I'm doing stretches like it pulses so I know because if I use my phone It's somewhere else and I hear the yeah a lot. I don't like it So having the pulse on the watch is really nice 30 seconds. Okay. Move on to the next thing 30 seconds move on to the next thing I also The the face that I have on my watch is actually some of my favorite photos So when I see my niece pop up I see you know wedding photos. I see Sawyer pop up, you know, you know, watch faces again That's another that's another uh episode in the future But because it's so personal, right? Like it really is all these complications on mine where I'm like, this is what works for me You know, but like I can't wait to hear about this Like I literally just like the photos and every once in a while I'll have and I'll make sure Um, and I and I have like time zones on it like I like to know because I hope to go back to Seoul Korea someday. So I'll have Obviously our time zone then I'll have soul. So I know what time it is over there and I just like to keep that Um, but yeah, the photos are a big thing and when I when I look and I see oh There's my niece cute, you know, I remember this picture It just makes me happy and you wouldn't get that with a ring. You won't get that with the ring So now I'm kind of going back on my like ring versus watch Even though I don't need all the stuff on the watch I'm okay with those things if you had a ring, you know, which is I mean, let's assume the ring isn't going to be like So crazy vertical that it would like go over, you know a knuckle that would make it hard to wear You just can't Show things like that. I mean you could maybe do like scrolling I don't know. Yeah information like so small Things you could do But otherwise I don't think a ring is designed to be a display at all Yeah, that's just crazy, you know, it's gonna make it it's gonna make it. Yeah There was that patent we talked about that said maybe there might be like a little touch pad on it But not for the same purpose that I just talked about right like notifications would be weird on so small You can't read that. I mean I'm already having a hard time reading Right now. There's just no way What if okay again just spitballing here, but like what if the apple ring was just like morse code, you know And we all learn more and and yeah, you'd be like, I think my mother wants me to call her back Got it You know, maybe we all learn a little something about survival You know when we may need those skills The apple already thinking we may Right. Yeah. I'm only half kidding right now. I know right like Only the strong survive only the ones who know uh morse code and braille Yeah, we'll be able to survive. I love it. But yeah, I'm going back Or the morse code like you point your iphone at the morse code And it's like a qr code where the iphone's like, oh your ring is trying to tell you that you didn't get enough sleep last night Oh What Sarah's living in the future She's in her old white sweater. I am ready to be hired. Okay. I'm ready to be hired You know, let's just let's do this thing Um innovation you think you need some people on the innovation team right right here sarah lane Oh boy. Well, listen, uh, we are we're coming to the end of episode five of apple vision show We hope all of you have had as much fun as we have It's it's been a raucous show Um, but but super fun. Just a reminder, uh, you can subscribe to the show. 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So when you're allowed one you go for it. You take that tangent. Yes, you do someday I might talk about the map story, but that I think was Mostly related to ai and when we really talk about ai I had a kind of like a map story because something came up and I was like what? Like it kind of read my mind. I was like, are you apple maps read my mind of all things read my mind? It was kind of weird. It's like I learned I made it learn something And it wasn't like a calendar entry that popped up I just made it learn something and it and it answered and I didn't I didn't ask for it. I was like, what? Do tell do tell um, you know on a future show. I'm not right this time I want to surprise you or you'll be like no, I will say though You know going going back to carplay and I'll keep this. Yeah, but um You know google maps option Apple maps option and you know when I'm in my car I'm often using carplay to go somewhere that I haven't been before. I mean it's great for that and um Apple maps is the better one Really? They work they work the same they work the same but apple maps just It just works better and I would not have said that five years ago. Oh my gosh, would I have not? Yeah, I also get really frustrated with ways. I don't know about you like I just I'm like stop And even though I even though I turn it I haven't really it's either google maps or apple and apple's starting to like give me More notifications. I'm not asking for it, but they're like, oh, you're going home I'm okay. I'm going home. Let's go. Yeah, or or they're like police activity ahead And then like five minutes later. I'm like, yeah See I already knew about that Because apple maps told me I use all three for different reasons I use apple map apple maps I find is is easiest for navigation when I'm actually driving somewhere Especially considering it does the little apple tap thing and I've you know learned to or the watch tap thing So it'll you know tap differently on your wrist depending on which direction you need to turn I use ways if I'm worried about traffic because the other two just don't handle traffic And if I'm actually searching on the web for something I will use google maps because it's more comprehensive as far as like locations of restaurants and things like that So I use apple maps for navigation Ways for traffic. So do you ever like like let's say you're starting out, you know, you're Going somewhere that's going to be a 20 minute drive Do you start with apple maps and switch over to ways if you think there's going to be like a traffic thing? No, I only really use ways if I'm in a hurry and I need in traffic is actually important other than that I'm really not concerned about traffic too much. So it's just apple maps Yeah But I never use google maps on my phone in the car I find it infuriating the way that it wants you to navigate It just doesn't flow with traffic apple maps is so much better for navigation But if I'm looking for a restaurant or something like that, I'll use google maps because it's just more comprehensive Yeah, also this is a tiny thing a tiny thing, but in carplay at least in my car Who knows your mileage may vary get it? Um, when I use google maps and I'm listening to a podcast or music It'll dip But then I like miss a few Sentences, you know, because it's like at the next light turn left where I'm like, I was listening to the moth But if I use apple maps It just pauses And then actually like goes back like three seconds So I'm like, all right. Well, I heard, you know, the last part of that sentence again, but at least I didn't miss anything That's like very important to me when I'm listening to something that I really care about Oh, I agree. I haven't really tried that to be honest with you. Okay And there may be a setting where I you know, I can I can do that. Yeah I can't do the It irritates me too much to be listening to music or listening to podcasts and have it dip at all For you know for for something to tell me. Oh, I'm supposed to turn here But yeah, you just told me that on the screen and on my watch. I don't need to know I don't need to hear that. So I have all those audio No, the audio things off. Yeah I um I There are times where I navigation for somewhere that I'm well aware of how I get there I don't know. It's just like it's like a security blanket Well, and you never know you might need to get rerouted because of some well in you know, in LA where I live now That actually does happen. Like there are times where it's like, here's my route. It's the fastest one I know this as the like no, it's not but it's like no There's an accident. So you have to go this way. So that that is um, that makes sense but even Even on off-hours sometimes I'm like I just like I like her to tell me where to go and then I like my watch to be like Beep beep beep beep beep. You're about to get to the to the light. I'm like, all right It's like I'm very aware of what I'm supposed to do right The only thing I'd recommend like if I if I had a chance to recommend something apple was As soon as I turn onto a road give me the the the vibration on my watch right away Give me maybe a different one Just let me know if I'm supposed to be on the right side of the left side Tell me now instead of waiting until I'm a quarter mile and I can't get over anymore because there's Yeah, yeah, so as soon as I turn on to that road, I'm going to be on there for three miles Go ahead and tell me now which lane I need to be in, you know, that's another problem I've had with google maps and again, this is uh, you know Based on cell connectivity where I live so It's not going to be the same for everybody but With google maps more often than not I will be, you know, maybe going somewhere unfamiliar where it's like in 500 feet turn onto, you know Lane drive where I'm like, I already passed it. You're like, you're late. You're late. I can't You're not actually helping me with navigation You're like just a little too late that now like, you know, now I'm like rerouting and Yep, yeah proceed to the route When I hear that I'm like, all right, you're out of here Yeah, google google and ways are one and the same at this point And there's always an exit that I take to go to the vet and it's either take b or c and I usually know It's the off the same, you know, it's like either going east or west I know it's b But as it approaches it like doesn't want to tell me it's still telling me the wrong It's telling me to go c when it knows the minute I pass You know The c Then it says, oh you need to be in b. I'm like, I'm already there, but I knew it. Thank god and didn't keep going down Thanks for nothing. Yeah, thanks for nothing I was like Only because I've gotten you know, I've gone down c when I wasn't thinking because you know, you're like I'm on autopilot. Yeah, I'm going. I know where I'm going. No, I didn't I was not paying attention. So now sometimes That's why the like, you know The voice doesn't work for me sometimes Because it's telling me too late where to go And that puts me off, but these are just you know, they're learning they're learning at the next light make a u-turn I'm like There are adapters you can You can add that are the little plug into your car And give you that that wireless connectivity for a car play Really? Yeah, they're about 60 to 100 dollars depending on which which ones you get And there is they do introduce a little bit of a delay like a one second delay to everything It can be annoying, but like when I was driving one second I probably wouldn't even notice. Yeah for for like door dash When I'm taking my car out my phone out of the car all the time to go take a picture and put it back in the car I don't want to sit there. Re-plug it in it worked awesome And we now have one permanently installed in the Durango that doesn't have the wireless Well, how about that? I thought I was just relegated to a life of wired which again Not a big deal. Uh, you know, I I you know, my car is fairly new. I I love it. It's great Yeah, because my truck had the same thing where the year the year later has the wireless car play and mine does not So Same. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah friend of mine, uh, got my my exact car just one year later and was like What you need to use like usp And I was like, yeah, don't you and he was like, no, you just like put it down Hey friend, check your Oh, why could I think of magsafe the entire time during the show I knew I was like, you know the mag mag mag. Why does that happen now? You're like saying put it down. I'm like, right on the magsafe Well Oh, wait, it doesn't come out. All right Well, amos, we know we know you're you're uh continue. Yeah, you got it on on on the uh, the uh, the journey for today This is amos's first time hanging out with eileen and I uh doing stuff in the background and boy Do we appreciate you? Yes. Thank you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is awesome. Yeah Hopefully this is this is, you know a marriage Uh that will not end in divorce. I'm just Yes, it'll help you not have nightmares We either stay together or we don't Or we die Or we die we stay together or we die. Yeah, better know that morse code. I'm telling you, uh The marriage morse code Oh, that is like, oh wait, no, I thought that was one of the title suggestions from our visionaries out there. Um No, the apple cart in front of the horse. Oh, okay doggles Uh And I put a link to that picture in the dock so you can add that to the show Yeah, thank you. So cute. Thank you. Thank you Oh Yes, I'm saying court killers is next. Um, yes, so yes, um The I don't know. Do we have to like hand the baton the show keeps rolling on that is a good question Do we hand the baton over? Are you ready? No, I haven't gotten the link yet. So he hasn't he hasn't sent us the link. So I don't think he can hear I think he's wearing headphones. He can't hear me. He doesn't know that I'm I'm yelling He's like, I mean, I'm not trying to you know, call anybody out here But sometimes I wear headphones and I'm like, oh, I didn't hear you Totally heard us. I was just like, what no Yeah, sorry. So busy. Oh So busy. Sorry. Oh, oh, oh, did you I'm sorry. Yeah. Did you say something? Oh weird? Yeah I'm you know what time is up. I gotta go. Sorry. I have an appointment. Yeah, exactly Um, you could raid the night attack channel in about 15 minutes or so. No, I have to edit the show. So I gotta I gotta walk my dog who has very patiently. Um, because I had a I had a long monday as well Um, been indoors, but it is sunny and warm la after being kind of rainy and weird the last couple of days So we're gonna do a fun walk. We really really really had so much fun today Thank you everybody for hanging out with us and uh, let's do it again next week. What do you say? Everybody Bye I'm balancing