 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live! I am your host, Krista Burns, at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live! is the Library Commission's weekly online event where we cover various commission activities and anything that may be of interest to Nebraska librarians. We do these sessions free every Wednesday morning at 10 a.m. central time and if you cannot attend a live session they are all recorded. We have going on almost two years' worth now of recordings that you can go out and listen and watch the archives. Today we have some guest speakers with us and as you can see from the screen you're seeing the website we are going to be talking about the recently held last month NLA NEMA annual conference. I am going to unmute our three speakers if I can. There we go and we have some three people from NLA NEMA they're going to talk and I'm going to have you guys introduce yourselves if you don't mind. Oh I also should say I have here with me today also Michael Sowers our technology innovation librarian from the Library Commission who did a lot of video and picture-taking at the conference so he's running around all over the place. Yes. Some input as well into what had what was going on in various locations. So I'm going to have you guys introduce yourself and I'll start with you Karen if you want to just say who you are where you're from while you're here. Okay I'm Karen Beckley I'm the logger of RAINET PISA 10th High School in Lincoln and I'm currently president elective NEMA which means I'll be planning next year's conference with NLA. Ah so you're looking for some tips? Yes yes yes. Okay Kristi how about you go next? I'm Kristine Walsh and I'm the assistant library director at the Kearney Public Library and I am the current president of NLA. Okay and Scott? Hi my name is Scott Childers I'm the emerging technologies librarian at UNL and I'm the past president of NLA. Great. So everybody who's here was at NLA NEMA this year right? Yes correct. So remember that far back? Yeah it was quite a few weeks ago. So I just wanted to talk about when at the conference what you thought was interesting fun different many overall impressions of the conference itself like any continuing themes throughout it anything that you guys thought of about it and anybody can go ahead and pipe up like I said I've got you all unmuted so. This is Kristi and I think that the key notes were highlights of the conference got lots and lots of positive feedback on both of them even though they had very different focuses and different delivery styles and bless their hearts for dealing with all the technological challenges that we had during their presentations but lots of positive feedback on them. The freedom writers I thought was a really great way to end conference they had lots of inspirational things to say not only for librarians but also for all of the teachers and people in all kinds of other capacities within the library world and they certainly were receptive to continuing conversations and questions from us and you know would be happy to come back I'm sure. Oh great. Yeah well I liked their their you know it was very lots of high energy very exciting I was very impressed with both of the people of the both of them that they sent for to speak I thought it was the best thing yet and we and just very inspiring makes you want to go out and do something with your life I guess. It does and you know what they had overcome to get to where they are today I think it's just phenomenal if you haven't read the book to go and read that original freedom writers diary or roam around their freedom writers foundation site lots of great resources and the Lisa Smith who was my contact there was extremely responsive I mean she responded quickly to all of our inquiries and many questions and making sure that this event was set up to be a success so I'm sure she would welcome comments or inquiries as well. Yep and even have right here on the site where you can buy. I would agree to go ahead. I was just gonna say that I would agree that they were absolutely fabulous and I was really excited when Sherrod said that he was a teacher and I thought all of his experience to bring in the classroom was just a fabulous happy ending to a story. And here's where you can buy the books and the movie they did have it made a movie and they were on primetime live. I'm not sure if that was the video that they showed at the beginning. Okay the segment that was just. Now I know Joe Murphy was the other keynote that we had and he had some well we had some technical difficulties with him I guess. Yes well I saw Joe two weeks later at Internet Librarian and and he did comment that despite the technical difficulties he really did enjoy his trip and was fun getting out to Nebraska enjoyed the conference said he had a brand new experience at conference he went to a bar where people were wearing overalls. Oh really? That was a new experience for him. He had a good time. Something we take for granted. He's at Yale. Yes Yale University. See everybody can learn something new. I thought his talk was good once he was able to do it I felt bad that it was so shortened I'm sure there was something lost in having to modify it but it did get recorded both of the of the keynotes were and Joe's right now just just uploaded this morning it right now it's in kind of a full blown windows media big download sort of version but in the next day or two it should convert into something that can stream and be embedded in other websites and should we get it on the annoying site that sort of thing. The freedom writers were recorded but we are under some restrictions about how much of that we can release so as soon as I get a free you know day I will get through that recording and pull some parts out that we can share with people who weren't able to attend. And thank you so much for doing those recordings it's greatly appreciated. Yeah it was also interesting we attempted to livestream Joe Murphy and we had some technical issues on our end with that so actually we were streaming video but no audio that was you know unfortunate we were able to fix that we did livestream the freedom writers and I think about a dozen people tuned into that while it was going on so we did have some people throughout the state watching that who weren't able to attend so once we again figured out our technical issues yeah definitely I think since we figured out the technical the way that we should be doing it. It's new equipment. That this could be a regular thing that if people can't attend that and the keynotes can definitely be streamed live. We had a lot of interest in it we did announce it which didn't even get announced until that week like the day or two before. I had lots of replies to I sent the emails out and posts different places Facebook and Twitter and what not. Now a lot of responses are people saying oh thank you so much I'm not able to make it to Grand Island this year so oh yeah well sirens are going off in Lincoln. No it's it's our weekly Wednesday and this is our weekly Wednesday tornado yes yes happens every Wednesday 15 or so in the morning yeah but anyway we had a lot of people that responded to me and said this is great thank you so much I can't make it to NLA on this year I'm so that at least I can see something that came from that's happening at it so you know with my budgets and things are nowadays people can always travel to wherever it's any conferences are so I think it's a great thing and hopefully we'll do it next year too the reason I think why we shouldn't be able to and then who the keynotes are yep all from down to permissions we have the technical ability yeah okay so let's get into some details about the conference any particular sessions that anybody attended that you thought were useful fun interesting or that you heard people talking about I mean sometimes there's a lot of talk in the hallways and and lunches and dinners and things anybody have anything that really caught your attention regular or I always I always enjoy Sally Snyder's like very commissioned when she presents Beth you books yes and she's very lucky until I hear what excellent session and it's always well attended yep that one we did also video oh yep yep I'm just trying to get to the area yeah yeah in addition to the keynotes that we live streamed in the recorded as many as possible of commission staff or yeah most most of the commission sponsored or commission speakers were videoed both my sessions Sally's Christa's two sessions Emily's session we weren't able to get everybody because we only had one camera and sometimes there were multiple speakers and there's still only one of me so running around was fun I did my own yeah yeah that's right that's right we did have two cameras yeah we do yeah um and actually this is a good that you mentioned I can that this was a great one and is recorded here but also I have also got Sally to recreate this session because it is a very popular one I mean this was amazing she's the she's the last session on a Friday so you would think people are on their way out the door her room was packed overpacked I mean this is yeah one of the very popular sessions of what she's doing so since I was also there helping out I've gotten her got her to do next week's encompass live will actually be and Sally recreating this session for us here on encompass live so if you weren't able to attend the live one you can ask you can watch the video or you can come next week and here's Sally do it again some of the other ones we have here is Michael saying I did tech planning and works session about webinars see Michael did a session on e-readers well actually some not all that's from conference some of that's from other best use okay like QR codes and then we'll use the data toes you know social isn't a lot from there other things yeah yeah there's those are just commission videos I heard rave reviews about Michael's Google secrets session that was a pack that was packed yeah I was in the one of the smaller rooms and there was kind of standing room only and that one was also recorded but it hasn't gotten up yet and that was on Thursday or Friday of that what's one of those days Friday Friday morning I think and it was fun that one seems to be very popular I've been doing that one I've done it like three or four times in the last month at different locations ever the same twice there's always something new to talk about yeah in fact I started out talking about the Google car so like I said it's a Google world we're just living in it now that we got that clarified yes well you know who the overlords are absolutely and it's no longer Microsoft it's now Google I think and someone suggested it that you could have done multiple sessions and that would have been great so maybe something to keep in mind for next year sure I I mean repeats or just more topics I mean I you know even the bookmarks from the session which are which are still up on delicious you know I think both I think for the people that did weren't able it to attend you know the updates and then additional topics if you have the you know what's happened the last 12 months sort of thing for next year I think people would welcome both of those true to your tech talks discuss it added to your tech talks oh yeah there we go what I did it as a as I've done it as an encompass session that was the first time a while ago yeah well maybe that's something you should be great too oh yeah about you Scott anything interesting that you were able to attend during conference I know you guys are also very busy running the conference so it's hard to attend things but well one session just like this in I don't know that there's a bit of a lag here or not Karen Delzell session on marketing I thought was a really good one these librarians tend to throw everything we can into our flyers and press releases and she had a really good message on minimalism actually to think that might be a good one to ask her to do on an encompassed line it's a really good I think that's Friday morning was that the design crash course yes yes okay it's a full room and just had a good message on hey you know don't be quite against our stereotype leave them hanging but we need to tell them everything if we tell them everything that they won't come into the door that's right were you gonna say something Karen oh I was just gonna say one of the ones that I think is always really popular is to go go solo presentation and just watching the children as they present their ward is kind of I always consider that one of my little rewards for being a librarian this is kind of a special opportunity to see the kids there yeah and just the interaction between the author and the students presenting the awards and what they pick up on and it's just really a highlight we were lucky this year that we did have the office present last year we did techno we did like a webcam award and the authors were great but it just missed that aspect of the students during the presentation so it's really exciting that we had an offer this year yeah that's good did anybody attend any of the pre-conferences that were hosts that were held I know I went to black belt librarian and Warren was wonderful you know he's somebody it would be great if we could get him into a lot of libraries just to work with the individual staffs on their you know specific concerns and frustrations or providing those tools that they need in their day-to-day setting so I think he was great right now Scott you were at our library camp my second one that was it brings up the crowded in the library camp just whoever the crowd is it changes the way it goes so the first one was a completely different experience than that's than this second one I went to I'm sure you guys I don't know if you guys have the same things that you were helping run the thing well you get so much perspective yeah it was it was our third library camp but only the second one we were at due to weather issues last year but you know compared to the first one we had about half the people we had in the first one so and by no means do I want to say that that no less than the value at all but yeah there were kind of fewer conversations fewer topics because of the smaller group and yeah it is kind of a slightly different experience each time you know it's it's fun to watch all the catalogers get into a room and at this point I've almost kind of forgotten the topics I've been doing so many conferences in the last month that they're all starting to blur together a little bit on me but yeah I mean we definitely plan on doing it next year that's for sure yeah and that's like you said it's different every time because of who you get is gonna determine what the topics are yeah and you're never gonna have the same experience because you have a different group people getting together with different problems issues concerns whatever and just what's going on it the website coming up very slowly for it we have under session yeah I'm going to another on conference this Saturday in Topeka yeah I think you're fun anybody who's listening this must come next year um Krista I'm going to mute me at 10 30 and at 10 35 so we don't have a school bell ringing because I am broadcasting from pies that's when your classes oh here we go here's some of our session topics the specific session for the school libraries that got together which is great to have a bunch of school libraries there social networking of course we all got together at the end to do thing about ebooks information overload things like that mobile technology cataloging blue sky was interesting and Scott let that and it was it was a wonderful idea but either we were all tired or we just depressed over the state of our budgets that we were having you're having trouble coming up with what would we do if we had yeah we always came back but we don't have money yeah right so I think it was a combination of both of those we were it was at the end we were kind of tired and yeah we're just dealing with budget times this time of year so oh well we tried yeah well it was still a good discussion I mean it didn't necessarily go I think where we expected it to go but but the conversation happened and I think that that's always the important bit just just talking it out even if it doesn't end up where you thought it was gonna end up and so great we've got all of the notes that people took it looks like a lot of people post this stuff up on here afterwards as well so if you weren't able to attend you can see what was brought up and discussed and what people thought of the topic at the time which is great and you have someone commented on it oh hey more items in the UNL digital comment wow 30 to 40 thousand more like wow there's a project as to say metadata yeah I'm not a cataloger I don't worry about that okay okay I just get it they're good for a good I think that blue sky and I'm sorry I wasn't able to get over to that one is a great thing for us because it forces us to stretch and think you know sometimes you've got to get out of your own box and whether it's a reality or not to do the what ifs and maybe down the road one of those you find a different solution to reach that goal whether you have incredible funding or limited funding mm-hmm well and I'm gonna try to maybe I just something just popped into my head with with what you said in that I think it was who did the gaming session a couple of weeks ago for her and compass life oh JP yeah she was was saying that they helped her first gaming night and I think the provost or the dean for for student affairs came around and she mentioned it and she just happened to say but you know here's what we could do if we had more money and he gave her the money yeah and so you just happened to mention it yeah if you don't if you don't have those ideas already in your head of here's what we could do if we had money you could miss an opportunity to say to somebody here's what we could do if we had money and then and then actually get it so even if you can't necessarily do it now having those ideas available to pull out when necessary is a really good idea and to see those opportunities when you have those um you know stakeholders yeah say hey what if or did you know because they don't always know it gives you some work towards as opposed to worry about day by day here's all the awful things that we have to deal with well we have something to look forward to this is where we're going so there's all things that you could do if you once in a while take a look and see what what is our blue sky because you never know how things can change you know next week the other session I heard great things about was the hey kids look what we've got effective marketing to tweens and teens and I did not personally attend that but um big part of the session this person said was the energy and enthusiasm of the presenters and that this is a hard group for people to reach so it's vital but very vital to the future of libraries so they were very excited about that and I know that that room was packed and unfortunately had nowhere else to go so they could have accommodated larger a larger audience then we could get in the room yeah Jake Randall from Keen he's very good with the kids yeah he does a lot of these are very candy there's Jake who I'm thinking of somebody came in yeah after my session one and put out a whole bunch of candy on the yes okay I think that might have been that one yeah yeah okay Jake was a gaming night yes oh he also did this one this is the one with popcorn or M&M's the public library mission to entertain you know that was the one that followed mine first thing in the morning my webinar session I had at 9 at whatever 8 a.m. yeah yeah and then at 9 o'clock they came in and put out M&M's and chocolate and candy for the next session I was really glad that the the recent grads were willing to do a poster session and share their experiences because it's so important to encourage all of the new you know new people in the library world and give them a forum for getting their ideas and new experiences out because we don't always have that opportunity to share when we get back to our own organizations yeah I think it's great we had a lot of recent graduates and it was that one session the yeah the one of the final sessions and on Friday one year out for recent graduates talk about life after library school yes I wasn't at down so I was at Sally's helping out there but I heard that was a very popular one that people were interested in what you know you know there are still people coming into the field yeah exactly and they're doing well and so I know that was a very interesting one and Emily our cataloger from here is one of those people and Karen dowsley who I already mentioned was one of them and then Marcia from UNL and Kevin Kelly from here in Lincoln City oh well being realized Marcia and Catherine or a year or so yeah yeah they're not like recent nice of like this year right yeah basically this is a session of we've graduated now I've got our jobs and it's been a year or so how's it going was this a good idea I graduated 15 years ago I'm still waiting for the great retirement let me know when that comes through you know it's any day now that's that's you know keep telling us that okay run with that how it doesn't perhaps right now they'll just close those lines we have to wait till they call me about back then yes okay I know that Karen you put together a presentation about what Nima was doing at if you like I can I can switch over to you if you want to go through that for us sure I'd love to do that okay okay I'm ready you should be able to share your screen okay one of the things we do is Nima has a new logo and so this was the first time we unveiled it going along with our new logo we also hosted a session called what's in a name what we're doing is that in the past year the Nebraska the American Association of school librarians formally adopted the title of school librarians for librarians working in schools following suit states including the state of Nebraska and educational programs are changing titles from media specialists or educational media to school librarians and school library programs and so Nima is wondering if we should be changing our name to better match up with this new our formalized title to do unity we had a pretty lively debate it seemed like the consensus would be the Nebraska School Library Association but we are not gonna be changing the name until we have a formal vote and we're not saying that this is going to be the name so that that's still up for for a discussion and and a vote by our members also with our new logo we did have the new addition of the Nebraska guide and all our members have that for member benefit that they are entitled to one copy of this program if you are not a member of Nima and you do want the program you can buy this through libraries unlimited here's a picture of Joe Murphy and he was introduced by our president Betty Meyer and then at our luncheon meeting our annual luncheon meeting Jean Bergstrom's retiring from the board so she was recognized for her service Carrie Turner received the past president award that was given to her by Betty and then our presidential award went to Dr. Sherry Crowe Judy Henning and Deb Levittal and also Lori Olmsted who's not pictured they were the drivers and major people that completed the newly revert reworked Nebraska and then we also want to congratulate I know these were awards by the Nebraska Library Association but three of our members were honored Jean Lekesh with the Marisando's Award Becky Pascal for a Merit of Service and then at the skip luncheon on Friday our former president and she's still on the board it's liaison Judy Henning was honored as a mad hatter so we just wanted to make sure they got recognition and I thank you for this opportunity of sharing our highlights. That's always a fun event the mad hatter award presentation they always I was out there peeking at it when it was going on in the afternoon I think I was running on doing other things but it was very exciting. I always consider that another highlight of the conference it's just fun to be part of it and I'm always amazed at how incredibly talented librarians and students of Nebraska are and all the many things that they can accomplish. Thanks Karen. Any other sessions and or anything that's going on in the conference that you were. Well I would mention Gaming Night. Gaming Night was fun. I gotta admit it was it's fun I go to Gaming Nights at larger conferences and I see many many more people and we had about 25 or 30 people come and at first I was thinking you know this is a very big crowd but I thought about it if you look at percentages to the larger conference is about five to ten percent of people show up to Gaming Night and we had about five to somewhere between five and ten percent of people at our conference show up yeah so so I think that worked out pretty well. I don't know if I was surprised or not but I noticed that the board and card games seem to be more popular than video games. They were. Yes. We had apples to apples was going. Two games to scrabble go at the same time. Librarians need to scrabble. Multiple boards. Are you surprised by this? No. Although I was introduced to the card game Flux. Yes. I got out and bought the Monty Python versions because I have a Senate daughter-in-law that that's going to make a perfect Christmas present. I'm just talking stuffer. Yes wait wait till you get to sing the rule. Yeah Flux is a very great great card game. I enjoyed a lot where the rules are constantly changing and I credit a friend of mine from West Des Moines Public Library for teaching me that game and there's many versions of it. Monty Python being one of them. There's Zombie Flux which I also I like the zombie version and then shall we mention the special game of scrabble that broke out? Oh near the end of it I got late they ended up with a dirty word scrabble going on. That's all to say. Well and don't make assumptions about the ages involved. No. It was multi-generational. Let's put it that way. It was a lot of fun and I think I also like the way we had it set up and it wasn't on purpose it was just because the rooms are available. The card and board games in one room and the video games in a separate room. I know in other conferences I've gone to you have everything in one big room and sometimes it's hard to hear when you're playing it's loud because you've got the video games going which are loud and that's the point of them. You're doing your your re-bowling and whatnot or your rock band but then people behind them on tables trying to play board games is hard to hear and ours we ended up having them in two separate rooms just connected but and it was awesome they could make the noise and play the songs in the one room but then other people could play in the card games in the board games in the other room and I thought that made because I just we did our conference and then two weeks later went into an librarian where they had a gaming night and it was a little annoying. It was a little hard to teach people. I was teaching people to play Flux there too and the video games going out at the same time. And so they ended up taking people things out into the hallway to play because it was easier to hear. So I think we got to that and I hope we can do that again have somewhere we have a situation when we do it next year here in Lincoln of two separate rooms for each type of gaming so that we can enjoy what we're doing. I just have to send out the pre-conference blurb on you know learn to play Flux with Michael Sowers and everybody will be there. It sounds like fun especially if there's a Monty Python version I mean how can you lose. Yeah the Monty Python version is sometimes amusing when you have different people with different levels of knowledge of Monty Python. Because there are almost involving speaking in funny accents and quoting lines and and singing songs and if you're not as versed in Monty Python it's a little harder but that doesn't prevent you from winning necessarily. Well sometimes you just have to invent your own silly walk and you're good to go. There you go. Yeah that's right. One thing that this conference did bring up is a challenge of as our group continues to grow which is really exciting we had over 500 people I believe registered for conference this year and is that we need to strive in the future to find sites that not only fit the size of the group but the needs of the conference and certainly as we do our conference wrap up in a week or so with the planning group we will add that to the planning manual so that just stays in everybody's I guess line of sight for future conference planning. It is difficult in a place like Nebraska where once you're outside of the Lincoln Omaha area you've got a large group and you want to be out there towards the West it's really hard if they don't just have this facilities and maybe they will the next time. I'm Carney now has a facility I'm not sure if it's quite open yet but we'll be shortly that should be a much better pardon me. By the time we're out there it's gonna be a couple of years before you have to go out that way again. Right I believe we're back out in Carney in the middle of the state in 2013 and the new UNIS conference center should be able to accommodate us plus so yeah so something to look forward to and I appreciate everybody's patience understanding with the challenges of two sites this year. Oh yeah. And everybody has been there before that that's just the just what you have to do with you know going back and forth between the hotels. Karen you're saying something. Oh I was just gonna say I'm kind of going along with just attending the conference it's just a powerful thing for librarians. I think the networking opportunities are great. I'm the sole librarian in my school so it's really great for me to have the opportunity to visit with librarians across the state. I think that's really an important aspect and I found that the more involved I've been with Nima and the more involved I am with the conference the more I get out of it. I've been going to the banquets I've been doing at least pre-conference fun activity and it's just such a greater experience by doing more but I want to emphasize that too. I encourage others to be active and know that they are welcome at all activities. Absolutely yeah just because something is hosted by either NLA or Nima doesn't mean you shouldn't go to it. I mean I bounce around to anything that looks interesting when I have the time to attend. And we're hoping with a new affiliate membership for Nima members to join NLA that would encourage them to participate hopefully you know more fully in conference and take advantage of those opportunities that NLA and the Commission present throughout the year as well. I think that's a wonderful opportunity that NLA is making possible for Nima members. Yeah and that's actually a suggestion that came out of the Omaha or the LeVista conference. Right. People were having discussions there at conference and what happened we got something done so another good reason to attend the conference you could change your professional association by having those conference meetings out in the hallway. I guess I'll just reiterate that I as much as I enjoy going to conferences for the sessions and as much as I present sessions that I appreciate the people attend I somehow always seem to get just a little bit more out of lobby con. You know out of the hallway talking to people in between just the you know the people that you don't necessarily run into more than once or twice a year at these sort of events and they're like hey I'm doing this or I'm looking for somebody to do that or I've got this great idea and just the I always come back with this list of or stack of business cards of people to follow up with on something that we talked about in a hallway or in between the session or in a banquet that fills my to-do list for the next month. I get that a lot. I used to work more at the booth at the commission's booth and very constantly people coming by looking for somebody from the commission to do anything and definitely get lots of work done there even though you're at conference. So any other sessions any other things about the conference that you want to highlight and mention to people? The other one of her great things about was the art of the Caldecott where he talked about the art and through the ages and the changing through the years and how the art followed trends and how it's different you know today then obviously when that award was established. Oh yeah. That was a two-part session too. Okay, wow. It was. It was a long one and our youth services librarian was able to go and thoroughly enjoyed that. So that was a good one. Another good one I intended was I don't remember who the presenter was but it was the history of the book. This is like the third in a three-part. She's done one last year the year before that. She does one every year and it's just so many interesting things about you know we learned that uppercase came from the fact that movable type they have the larger letters of the upper cabinet such as uppercase. And just the history of the book is very entertaining and I learned a lot from it and hopefully she's doing another step in history next session. I'll see if I can. So if Dr. Siegler is on the agenda for next conference that's one I would encourage you to go. She's a great speaker and very entertaining. I was like this kind of different kind of things to get tossed in. You've always got that how to do this how to do that for all the practical things for working in your libraries and whatnot but then you get something that's just fun and different you're like wow that will you'll be a nice break from all this more serious stuff. So we're getting down to the end of our time here. Any last-minute comments or anybody from the audience have any questions? We have a small audience today but that's okay or anything that you and the audience want to say about your if you did attend. I would just encourage people that if they think they have you know we're all doing great things out in our libraries be willing to share that with your colleagues for next year because those calls for proposal will probably go out you know after the first the year obviously and we have the theme set for next year which is Nebraska libraries cultivating community connections and so Jim and Karen will be working on that and one of our keynote speakers will be Jamie LaRue from Colorado who did the leadership reunion workshop so looking forward to having him come out. I know Jamie and and he's always wonderful to listen to. Right and you never know quite what's gonna escape for whatever topics we feel our focus so that's good. Okay yes that will be the 2011 conference which will be here in Lincoln earlier in the month in usual on the fifth through the seventh. That's correct and then I think our other guest speakers gonna be Cassandra Burnett. She's from Fayetteville, Arkansas was a one of the two presenters at the Heartland School Librarians Conference this summer and it's just finishing her term as President of the American Association of School Librarians. She's dynamic and I know that anyone that was fortunate to attend our summer conference will be looking forward to hearing more from her. Okay very good to get a preview. I wanted to second Christie's about being a presenter and one of the things that kind of arose in some of my small groups was that you don't have to feel that you're the best that does it we just you know share what you know and people if you allow them and that attend your sessions will be glad to contribute to but you know please please please take that step and offer to be a presenter. Absolutely yeah there's always somebody that you can learn from like what my goal is saying about it you never know. And I will happily give up several of my speaking spots to somebody who hasn't done it before. Noble sacrifices for the cause. Yes. Although speaking it's a great thing to do. Even if it's not required by your job just taking that step forward I think I don't know Michael if you remember the first time you ever presented at a conference it's scarier than heck but when you're done it's a great feeling. Yeah and it was a room of 400 people too. Oh my goodness. Now that's a start. I mean well I had done I had done workshops so I mean I had spoken in front of smaller years but my first real conference presentation was at a computers and libraries in DC and there was 400 people in the room and it was 20 minutes on what was usually a six hour workshop and so yeah it was a bit stressful but you know I have yet to see anybody at a library conference throw something at the speaker. You know we're too polite for that I think but you know it's it's a great conference to do your first session that. Oh yeah. Yeah start here start small yeah and then you can work up to the going to some of the larger ones. Well and I've gotten you know other work out of conference sessions including book publishing where somebody says hey great session you want to turn it into a book. Excuse me. So I mean you know presenting can open up you know your your your career into doing other things. It's another version of doing professional development for yourself improving yourself what you're doing your job learning new things that's known. And also don't hold me to this but there's some sort of rule with CE credit here at the commission where if you actually instead of attending something you actually do something like a presentation. Yeah you can earn for that. You get double CE credit the first time you do it so you know if you're looking for some extra CE credit give a presentation teach a workshop then you'll you'll get a little ahead. I think I got my three-year accreditation in one week because I was teaching workshops. The accreditation that you don't use for anything. Yeah well. Yeah looks nice on the wall. Looks like we lost a couple of people there. Okay all right well I think a couple of people got dumped out because all of a sudden Karen and. We're down to just the speaker. Oh wait no I'm sorry you're on the other side and never mind you're here. Never mind. I'm confused. I think maybe has any last thoughts. Thank you again for everybody who presented and attended. Yes that's all. I think it was a great conference I had a lot of fun staying out there for the two three days that we were there and hopefully next year you'll join us here in Lincoln as I said October 5th through 7th the 2011 conference and you already had a preview of what some of two of the special speakers will be and next week as I said also related to conference Sally Snyder will be redoing her best new youth books of 2010 session that she did do at conference so if you're unable to attend that you can see Sally do it again here on and cut the slides so there's nothing else cool thank you very much Karen Christy and Scott I think this is a great session and maybe we'll do this again next year either as a preview or a wrap-up afterwards the conference so thank you very much and thank you thank you thanks a lot I'm glad it all worked out for everyone to get logged in and be here for us all the technique it's always nice when the technology works for everyone we should be so lucky all the time all right okay thank you very much and we'll see you next time bye bye thank you Krista bye bye