 What can you tell me about this right to information act? Sir, the right to integration act is faster than thought and allows the common people to gain access and information about the workings of the government. So, they can find a report with the public information officer in the CIS. And then they can gain information about their... Yeah, to the current department concerns right? Okay. Now, the act also provides that certain information can be derived. Yeah. Sir, can certain information be derived by government departments? Sir, the certain information, if it goes against the interests of the security of the state, can be derived. Yeah, and there are several clauses in the act which define the ground on which it can be derived. Okay. Now, there is a...the act also provides for information commissions, central information commission and the state information commission. What is their role? Basically, they are availing parties. Okay. Now, the Supreme Court has recently issued a direction regarding the right to information act. Are you aware of that? Basically, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Chief Justice's office also comes with a view of the RTA, which has been denied letter of significance. Okay. Have you heard of a term called extradition? Yes. What is that? So, extradition happens when there is a person who has committed an offense in one country and he has fled to another country. So, the country in which the offense took place, it requires the other country to send the person back to the country. Is there any high-profile person whom we are trying to get back to India? Sir, Vijay Malia. What is happening in Vijay Malia's case, any idea? Sir, I have a bit of an idea. What is happening? Sir, the company that Vijay Malia ran, King Fisher. No, what is the status of his extradition? Sir, the last that I know was that a court in the United Kingdom ruled that he can be sent back to India, provided the condition of the jails and the human rights conditions are met with. Basically, he is also exploiting the judicial system there. He has now gone and appealed to the High Court. Another person has been exploited recently, a book he called Sanjeev Chawla. What was he involved in? No, okay. Now, in the northeast, recently an agreement was signed relating to the bruise also known as the lians. What was this agreement all about? Sir, the bruise was a covenant which originally belonged to the state of Mezorna and they moved to Kulakshapura after they faced ethnic violence in Mezorna. So, now there is a four way agreement that was signed between the government of Mezorna between the two representatives, between the government of Tripura and the government of India which provides for their rehabilitation in Tripura. How many of them are being rehabilitated? Any idea? In Tripura. Around 34,000 is the figure which has been, okay. Now, you also opted for the police, the IPS. The Supreme Court has given certain directions relating to the appointment of the state DGP to prevent the state government from doing whatever they wanted to. Any idea? In the Prakashan case. I have a great idea. Sir, basically, the Supreme Court gave this directive in order to move to political opinion. So, any individual who is appointed as, if to be appointed will have to have a search of three years in Prakashan. Two years. Two years. Two year tenure? Yes. Provided. But the basic ruling of the Supreme Court was that the panel will be sent by the UPS. The UPSC will select a panel sent to the state government from which they will be selected. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, Chandru Jyoti, tell me, you are a student of the three and there are, there is one issue which nobody has been able to explain too clearly, you know. In India, we have been, you know, listening to theory that the Muslim invaders came and the Mughals came and they forced some local population to convert to Islam. There was force involved. Now, if you look at other places, for example, you know, you will say that they were the conquerors, so they could force it. But in history, there are different situations. Mughals came to Iran, overrode Iran and instead of converting the local population which followed Islam into what they had, their religion, the rivers happened. They became converted into Islam. Secondly, I have another fact from history that this, you know, in Southeast Asia, there were many countries who were ruled by Hindu kings but they have to trade with Middle East and they got converted slowly into Muslim nations. Right? No violence. No, there was no conquering involved there. So, I get confused because is it a myth that has been, you know, perpetuated in India for, you know, a wrong narrative being created that a lot of force was used and forceful conversion was taken. What is your view? Sir, in my view, that while there were possible abortions in our civilization at that time, however, it was not to a certain, to a large extent. Rather, people accepted Islam because of multiple reasons. Firstly, because they knew that they were Muslim, they also wanted to gain a certain ascendancy under their rule. So, they accepted Islam in a way to gain. To be with the ruling party. To be. What many people are doing now, right? To get political benefits and social benefits. I would say it was a primary reason for that. Is this, is this seriously discussed in any book in history, Indian history, this kind of analysis? How many got actually converted because of force? How many were active? Sir, I have read a few books by Captain Talbot and Captain Ashok. So, we will discuss it to a certain extent. But I am not aware of any. You are not aware of any. Okay. Okay. Now, tell me. So, they say that Bismarck unified Germany and Mazzini, glory, glory, glory and glory united Italy. And they are famous characters in history. Now, if you compare that to Patel's effort to unify India, I am not a history student, but as a layman I feel Patel's effort and contribution was much, much more than Bismarck and the Italian Empire. Whereas, nowhere in history books you will find that as much importance as the unification of Germany or the unification of Italy, no history book has a chapter unification of India and treating Patel larger than Bismarck for Mazzini or for Mughal. Why is that? Or am I making a mistake somewhere? Sir, you are right in suggesting that Patel, the son of Adahar Patel, was the Iron Man of our nation. And he did an important role in unifying the nation both by diplomacy as well as by force. So, I do think his role should be studied in greater detail. However, I feel that history still continues to be a Euro-centric subject and greater research needs to be done into the role of Patel so that his contributions are much more recognised worldwide. No, what I have read is that at that time there were some 50-odd princely states and some of them really didn't want to join India, but still he somehow managed. It was done by both those European countries. But you know, in history, Bismarck is some kind of a hero and his quotation takes that Patel, poor fellow, maybe because he was a tough Indian, would be bothered to write about him. Is that true? Sir, I... Okay, sure. History is always his story. Alright, now... No, ma'am, Indian authors are not okay. Forget them. Now there's an attempt to rewrite history. Okay. Okay, so you won an award on heritage in India. Recently, Jaipur got a title of a heritage city. Why do you think Delhi has now got a title of a heritage city? I don't know if in Delhi, because we're having three sites, which are the name of the UNESCO or UNRF site. We'll be in the minus group red fort and Kutla Kutla in our complex. However, I feel that Jaipur has been more successful in the sense of marketing itself as a city which recognizes its heritage and it promotes itself as such. Delhi, on the other hand, has not promoted itself as a heritage city. But why hasn't it promoted itself? There must be some reason. We're still impressed, because once you call it a heritage city, then you can't make any alterations. Ma'am, I think it's not just vested in us. I feel that Delhi at the capital of the country and many migrants from other parts of the country move to Delhi, so it's constantly growing. So if the city receives a heritage stack, it might put a stop on the growth process. It could be a real estate, the mafia. Okay. You're from a student's college. Is it become an autonomous college? It is a very autonomous college. It has applied for an autonomous status. So do you think this is good that it's getting autonomy? Ma'am, there are both aspects to the... Okay, tell me what are the advantages and disadvantages? Some of the major advantages of having an autonomous status would be that the St. Stephen's College can design its own curriculum and have greater flexibility in appointment and selecting what are the disadvantages and causes. However, if it becomes autonomous, the amount of trans that it receives will also reduce. Okay. And why are the teachers concerned? It could become a contractual teaching for that. Now, you're from Punjab. So regarding Punjab, we hear about the growth problem. And it is said that in 75% of the households, there's at least one person who's affected by trans. What is your view on this? Why has it become so prevalent? There are multiple reasons as to why Travelling has become rampant in Punjab. The first and foremost reason is that since Punjab is a border state, a lot of the smuggling goes on in Punjab. Secondly, it's also close to the states of Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh where opium is used for medical purposes, medical purposes. Yet, farmers send it to Punjab to gain extra money for themselves. So it has a location disadvantage, first of all. And secondly, I would also say that since agriculture is stagnating, the youth feel that they have not found adequate sources of employment in other sectors, which is why they are disillusioned. So if they're not employed, where do they get the money from to buy the drugs? Engage in stealing from the family and engaging in antisocial activities. So what is the government doing to take care of this problem? The government has couple of years in government aimed at forming a policy that focused on enforcement of the narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances act. And then it focused on deaddiction as well as prevention. So it's a three-pronged strategy. So through better enforcement of the NDPS act, they're aiming at removing all those elements who pedal drugs. Secondly, through deaddiction, those people who are addicted have been set up by the government. And through prevention, they are focusing on promoting awareness in schools about drugs. You're from an army background. The Supreme Court gave a ruling regarding some directions to the army recently. Are you aware of that? The Supreme Court has now allowed Commission 1 and they can be now appointed to command posts. So will the army face problems regarding these two aspects? I don't think people face a problem. It is good that women are... No, it's good, but will there be any problems? These young people have no time to junior command forces. How will they get their promotions? Okay, my last question. If I were to ask you the greatest achievement of our country since independence, what would you say? Any two areas? Why any two achievements? Now the two areas in which our country has really progressed is first and foremost, I would say science in the field of science and the second area which to some might say that India has not progressed but I do believe that in the area of women and how we really have progressed from where we came in 1994. Thank you, but I would say food security and maintaining our democracy. Okay, thank you. And did you think that we would reform that Lucknow? No, it's okay. Sir, it is according to mythology that it's being adopted after Lakshman. According to history? It was from the local king Lucknow. And what was the role of Lucknow in the first war of Indian independence? Sir, in the first war of Indian independence the Tadukta-Arste was the capital and the cultural centre. So the Tadukta's of our were just dispossessed because of the British rule that was influenced. Therefore, three rows of them were reversed against the British. They were led by the husband and he was the wife of Vajralisha and Pyrrhus Karthal who was her son. There were some women who killed quite a few people, British soldiers in the battle of Sikandar Bagh. Are you aware of this? Now, have you heard of the Bet and Road Initiative? What are our concerns regarding the Bet? Sir, the first important concern regarding the Bet and Road Initiative that has been started by China is that it threatens our territorial integrity because China Pakistan economic corridor passes through the Pakistan occupied Kashmir area. What is the concern that we face with the Bet and Road Initiative that China is trying to surround us in a sense by building projects in Bangladesh, in Balnees and in Sri Lanka. So there is a threat to us because it is surrounding us from all directions. And in a sense its economic power is also good. So India might have to face challenges in the response. Can you give a concrete example of its projects in our neighboring countries threatened us? Sir, for instance, in the case of Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka has reached out to both China and Balnees. So from here India is at a very disadvantageous position. Now, this year, UN is going to be 75 years old. One of the objectives as I am saying in the UN Charter is the prevention of war and resolution of conflicts around the world. How far do you think UN has been successful in this objective? Sir, in my opinion I do think while UN has made an effort in this direction, I don't think it has been completely successful in resolving multiple conflicts in Israel and Palestine. So while they have organized relief works for the Palestinians, they are still having a solution to the problem and, of course, in several countries in the Middle East and in Africa. Thank you. What does India stand on Palestine? Sir, India is supposed to give state solution for Israel and Palestine. So it recognizes that there should be a state for Israel and Palestine. Does India have a Palestinian embassy? Yes, it has. How is India trying to balance? On one hand, it is supporting Palestinian state as a loud Palestinian pretty big role here in India. On the other hand, it is also keeping very good relations with Israel. How has India been able to achieve that? Sir, I think India has sort of connected the idea of religion from their policy in Palestine. So we are not focusing on religion, rather we are focusing on pragmatic interests How does religion come into play? Sir, religion. How does religion start a battle for land? Israel is occupying all the Palestine and everywhere. Sir, religion also comes into question in the sense that Jerusalem is important for Muslims. So Palestinians want Jerusalem under their control and Israel has occupied Jerusalem. Religion, if at all, is a very minor thing. Financial action task force. What is this body? Is it, what is its approach to Pakistan latest? Sir, the financial action task force claims that removing the influence of black money and its financing for terrorism. So Pakistan has been placed on the brink by the financial action task force. It was asked to make certain reforms in the country in order not to be blacklisted. Countries such as Turkey and Malaysia had occupied Pakistan and as a result it was not blacklisted. It is still on the brink. Lokpal, do we have a Lokpal? Sir, I would like to ask you a question. Is there some problem with Lokpal institution? Yes sir, there are certain problems. Sir, if the institution of Lokpal does not allow investigation into the office of the Prime Minister. Sir, in the cases of atomic security, national security it does not allow any access to PM office. Anyway, what are the problems? That is a different issue. What is its utilization? Some problems of Arizona lately? No? Even today there is a news item that it is spending just spending money on salary and rest and all. More than a thousand complaints received, it is not taking any notice of those complaints. There is no progress of those complaints. For gender justice Supreme Court has given certain very important judgments. Can you recall those judgments? Sir, the judgement in the case of Chippitalak was Chippitalak is one, just name the judgments. Yes, Chippitalak. The judgement regarding surgery was also decriminalized in case of women. Very good. Very good. Thanks. Now you found a reading. What is the latest book you read? The latest book that I read was a book by a Turkish author, Elisha Farh. Is it a fiction? What does it talk about? Sir, it talks about the family of Turkish immigrants. They moved to the United Kingdom and the challenges that they faced there. It is about a Turkish family. Yes. Are they steeped in orthodoxy in their Turkish touch? Sir, Turkey... What does this book make out? Are they steeped in orthodoxy? Sir, in this case the family is a bit orthodox. Yet they are moving towards opening up culture. So it is a tragic end? Yes, it is a tragic end. The mother has to... It is a case of honor killing. You have done something about social service. Yes, sir. What kind of social service? Sir, as part of the social service that I was in college, there were many board members. I really focused on providing my dealing out and ensuring that these dealings were recorded and shipped. And sir, in school... Who is named one great reformer which India has produced? Social reformer. Just one. They are a similar question. Have you considered a great social reformer? What is his contribution? Give 1, 2, 3. Sir, his major contribution was a version of setting that was achieved in 1820. He abolished it? And then? Then how was it abolished? Sir, a law was passed by the British The British passed it? Yes, what else? Sir, then he also tried removing the superstitions that are associated with religion. So for that he found the Ramo Samar and in this case with people belonging to different castes also could get married. So in a way he worked towards removing castes. Do the 5th and the 6th should do this to the constitution? 5th and 6th should do to the constitution. Are you aware of that? 5th and 6th should do. Long to travel, the protection of travel. Yes. It's okay. Does it do 73 and 74 amendments? Do they provide some social justice? Yes, they do. Specifically what? Sir, they reserve seats for women. And children castes also. Yes, sir. And if the seats are chosen, they can also reserve seats for other backward travel. Is there a defection law in India? Yes, sir. Where is it placed in the constitution? Sir, just for 50 seconds and I am in fact in 1985. There is tension. And Supreme Court said something about it recently. Yes, sir. In the case of Karnataka especially. What about Tamil Nadu? Read it. Okay. History is your subject. Now, you are from Punjab, what's the position? Punjab. They talk a lot about the drug problem in Punjab. You have asked. Then we will discuss. They say history repeats itself. History repeats itself. Do you agree with this magazine? Yes, I do. Can you give some example of it? To prove this point? Yes. If we take the example of our own nation, it was conquered multiple times. So each time the conqueror succeeded, for instance in the case of Punjab. So the conqueror succeeded because we were not united in our own decision. Good. That is repeatedly it has been. We have lost because of our dividends. Even 57 war we lost because of it. We were not united. There was no common strategy. Each one was fighting perhaps. Very good. So we close the interview here. How do you think you have failed? We have lost. No. Don't do too much thinking. Each answer you must think before you answer. So some facts I didn't know. It is not a question and answer section in the sense of rapid fire thing. It is a question which is trying to elicit. What kind of a personality you have. Whether you know the subject and how analytically you can present your views. So there is no need for you to hurry up. You have done very well. You have been able to act very nicely. And we feel that this will be the pattern of questioning in the interview. They may ask you about UP, Punjab. Punjab is your home state. Then history. Then your biographies extracurricular activities they are important. Constitutional issues. I have asked you a few. There can be more. And current affairs. Like BRIU. As United Nations succeeded in conflict resolution etc. These are all important issues. Punjab problems you must see what are the major successes and problems of Punjab. Now I just give you a small suggestion. You will ask a question about unification versus Sardar Patel. Your answer must be very clear. You say that circumstances are totally different. You cannot say that one did a bigger job than the other. German unification came about because Germany was controlled by two great powers. What was that? Austria and France. So Bismarck had to defeat both of them. He prepared militarily. Better of Cunin's fault. You remember? First Austria and later on France. He shattered the power of Napoleon III. You remember? India's position was very different. India was not having so much of a military challenge. So each one has to be assessed on the basis of his own contribution instead of making a comparison. Remember this. You are doing very well. Just tell me you must have been topping the PLS with 73% No, sir. How much did the topper get? Sir, I am not sure. Do you have changed the system? We actually had SCGPAs which were converted to percentages. So people got more. Do you get 80L things like that? History? Okay.