 And to All right, hello everyone we're gonna be talking chips today Potato chips vinegar Barbecue sour cream and onion. I was just I was I think was it yesterday day before yesterday was talking about those all dressed Yeah, right. It was the other day you're talking about this and as I say in like they kind of stink They don't weird flavors for potato chips they have like a Carter Joe's now and stuff No, it's racha and that's not weird pickle flavored and Yeah, well, I mean it can't I mean the whole the whole all dressed one is like it's Canadian because again like ketchup flavored You have pickled flavored mm-hmm, but what's interesting is like For all this time everyone's telling me how great they are and in one sense It's true because I can't stop eating them once I start eating them But they don't really take they taste okay, but they're not like an amazing taste and they Might my wife hates the smell of them. It just smells like feet so Because it's vinegar in it and so eat smell like potato chips smelling I Used to think glaze used to stink like a bag of lays. Yeah, just You open it stinks to me and physically stinks So which I always I might go to Are the Hawaiian chips the Barbecue good They may be the fake onion rings the funions You can't have fun without funions I don't eat any kind of chips or anything like that on a regular basis. I don't like buy them for the house It's just a preventative measure on my own I don't eat I don't try not to eat them so I don't buy them because I if they're around Yeah, same. Yeah, exactly and it's not because I want to it's just because it's quick and easy to chew Mm-hmm. You just want something salty in your mom. Yeah My sort of snack-booted choice recently has been sort of unsalted mix nuts because you don't need too many You nibble on them one at a time and after you have a handful. So that was I'm done Yeah, we keep a little little glass bowl of mix nuts for snacks. It's good does it takes the edge off Especially if it's like the trail mix where you just were throwing some raisins. No, nothing else just nuts I like I like I Like some chewy as well Yeah, we don't make trail mix with M&Ms or Reese's in them Yeah, we don't do trail mix we just do the mix nuts But my wife prefers almonds over all the other kinds of nuts So what I'll do is I'll buy a bag of almonds and a bag of mix nuts mix those two bags together so that there's more almonds Used to buy those barbecue or is it the honey roasted or barbecue the blue diamond ones Yeah, we don't we don't do the flavored ones because you keep eating them and then you get sick. Yeah They're salty or two Bad weave in our chat room says I like the chili toe cheese Fritos But spells it fetos What's great are the amazing flavored things that you get out of Japanese stores and stuff. Oh, yeah, I remember getting the I used to hit Japan town and I didn't see any here But they do have the same supermarket or grocery store where they carry all the different flavors of Kit Kats, right? friend of mine named Dale Went on a Kit Kat tour of Japan And just bought Kit Kat different flavored Kit Kats all over the place. He collects them So he he gave me a bag of a bunch of different flavors like wine flavor and green tea flavor and Lemon tea flavor Melon the cantaloupe one was really good too Because it has a good part of the cantaloupe just not the weird aftertaste Yeah, like if it's we could that's the thing like I like honey do initially like once it once I taste it But like it's just like the rest of it's kind of like there was a coffee flavored Kit Kat Which I was kind of disappointed in because I think that would be really good coffee chocolate It was kind of light. It was too light They put too much milk Yeah, yeah, I hope it's not too early for TTS to cure today's big deal. Okay. Yeah, it's in there You guys ready any time? Yes. Let's roll them. Oh wait, I'll need control. You have it. You good. Yes. All right. Here we go The Daily Tech News show is brought to you by listeners just like me and you not outside organizations to find out how you can contribute Visit daily tech news show comm forward slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Friday April 14th 2017 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Very happy to have Lloyd Case back on the show analyst at the Lindley Group and of course the person Behind his website uncertainty.com Lloyd. How's it going? Good to have you back. It's going great having a good time Glad to be here. Yeah, we've we've been wanting to get you on to talk specifically about AMD's Ryzen chips I like what you're doing on your blog Where you're you're just living with the chips in the in the computer that you've got with them That's it's really fun to read. Yeah, and I'm gonna be keeping that gap I probably have five or six more parts and then I'm also in the process of building like a budget rig that people can model off there And stuff like that. Well, we're gonna talk about that and a few more things in a little bit But let's start with a view tech things you should know Facebook can now detect fake accounts better by looking for patterns like repeated posts or spikes in messaging activity without Having to look at user content The Facebook employee named shake says the company has ended 30,000 fake accounts in France. I I Don't really have too much usage of Facebook Lloyd. I don't know about you So I don't I don't run into these spam accounts too often, but I know they are a big problem I have some I mean occasionally the typical thing is you'll get a Friend request from somebody who's it looks like a very pretty girl and it has like no posts. Yeah There you go. Well should be clamping down on that and that's also kind of a knock-on effect of stopping Hokes news false news fake news, whatever you want to call it from being distributed because a lot of times these bought accounts will be passing along those kinds of links Right Nintendo announced it sold 906,000 switch consoles in March and 925,000 copies of the Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild for the switch that doesn't include the 407,000 copies they sold for the Wii U So they sold more copies of Legend of Zelda for the switch then they sold Switch consoles that makes it the fastest selling Nintendo console launch title and the fastest selling Zelda game ever Lloyd I we were speculating before the show This must be some people buying them before they could get ahold of the console Maybe some people buying collectors editions. It could very well be I mean I know people who will buy a collector's edition of something and then buy the thing itself to Watch it or play it or whatever. Yeah, put one away and then one for use Right the Zelda the Zelda crowd seems like that is the kind of crowd who would do that in some large numbers But I think a lot of it is people who are like, well, I can get the game. I've got a pre-order in I've got an order in for the switch whenever it arrives. I just haven't got one yet A set of hacking tools supposedly used by the NSA have been leaked online containing several zero-day exploits targeting multiple products including lotus notes lotus domino 2s smb windows xp Windows 8 to siis Windows server 2003 windows server 2012 these are older versions of windows But microsoft told fortune it is reviewing the report and will take the necessary actions A lot of times I think these sorts of leaks can be overhyped Lloyd because it may be some kind of zero-day exploit that can be Fixed quickly and not do too much damage if people are taking normal security processes But we've got a we've got a couple dozen zero-day exploits coming at once. That's quite a bit Yeah, and people really need to make sure they update their operating systems as soon as they can Yeah, and keep keep an eye out for new patches Although it does sound like if you're up to windows 10 You shouldn't have to worry about these particular batch anyway, right? Uh, here are some more top stories california dmv added apple's name to the list of companies that have received permits to test Autonomous vehicles in the state the permit covers three 2015 lexus rx 540 h s's 540 h's i'm sorry and uh six drivers If you recall apple wrote a letter in december to the national highway traffic safety administration in response to proposed guidelines for autonomous cars In particular that letter argued that companies should not have to seek permission to test autonomous vehicles that will never be used by the general public So don't get too excited about apple building a car But the conventional wisdom Lloyd is that apple is definitely coming up with software for autonomous cars, right? A lot of people are and i feel like they're trying to test the right mix of hardware and software And deep learning the at least want to build their deep learning network so that they can you know license those Yeah, let's see Well, especially with the deep learning network you need to have it go out and encounter things to learn from them Uh, and if and what what I would take this to mean is that apple feels like it's got its software up to the point That it needs to do more extensive testing that it can do out in its backyard And for that on california highway you you need to register I find that phrase will never be used by the general public to be a little disingenuous of because it's going to be encountered by the general public Right, sure. I mean the software may be driving a different car would be right So if they're testing it on public streets, who knows what can happen. Yeah. Yeah counters, right So I and that's why apple is listing with the california dmv I guess Is to make sure that they have that approval there. I I do think that uh, this is probably a positive sign I know that apple probably still has a long way to go but By all accounts, they have close to a thousand employees working on this. So it's there's no doubt. They're serious The FCC's latest spectrum auction is concluded T-mobile will pay 7.99 billion dollars for 1,525 licenses in the u.s That will allow it to offer mobile service in the 31 megahertz spectrum nationwide quadrupling the carriers low band holdings Low band spectrum is pretty good for long-distance transmission goes through obstacles very well Makes it good for rural makes it good for congested building areas T-mobile will begin deploying service in the spectrum later this year Other people who got spectrum dish acquired 486 licenses adding to a stockpile that it has yet to use I'm still curious what they're going to do with that Comcast bought 73 licenses. They've got a service coming in june That is mostly running on the Verizon network But also uses some of the Comcast Wi-Fi hotspots So they could potentially Supplement that with some of these new wireless licenses u.s. Cellular bought 188 licenses 18 t23 Verizon and sprint didn't buy any And part of the spectrum option is white space That was between tv channels that has been freed up and 14 megahertz of spectrum is now available for unlicensed use And that could be used again for things like rural broadband Where you don't have to worry about too many other people using the same Spectrum uh internet of things could use that, you know, it's unlicensed is things like Wi-Fi Any any thoughts strike you out of this auction this time, Lloyd? The thing that occurs to me is that this network owning a lot of licenses makes them an interesting acquisition target Yeah, it's a it's a valuable stockpile to have for some More so than the tv part, right? Yeah Uh, I mean sling tv seems to be doing okay that they're they're online service But it just doesn't have the scale to save dish from anything else from from the main business declining And so yeah, they need some diversification Who do you think who do you if you had to guess who do you think would buy dish? That's I you know I can't even begin to say because you would think obvious candidates would be people like Comcast But then there's the whole idea trust issue. So I don't know we'll set to see that watch that one That they're gonna eventually use those licenses to ship out, you know to wirelessly deliver content themselves Yeah, well, that's one of the things that Verizon wants to do is use its network to deliver its own television service They've got go 90, but they they're also developing a a more robust system I could see Verizon may be wanting to acquire dish Partly to get that spectrum partly to get that infrastructure that sling tv has been working on and folded into their own efforts right Google Brain has used data collected from 70 000 doodles made by humans in that quick draw image recognition game They ran a while back that had teach that taught rather an AI how to draw on its own The AI is called sketch rnn It learned to draw objects without copying a starting sketch So it can just start doodling a dog or or a table AI programs like sketch rn could be used as creative aids for designers architects and artists this verge article that I read Speculated that if you are working on something and you get stuck the AI could give you an assist and say well What if you what if you took your drawing this direction? right It's also I think could be an interesting tool for people who want to be artists or just start to edit and they can get a startup on Implementing their creative ideas. Yeah, I I I definitely fell into that category I mean I I was playing with that uh that drawing Website that google unleashed earlier this week where you could sketch something and it will give you a clip art That's better. That's made by a professional drawing. This is kind of halfway in between, isn't it? right NHK reports apple is considering teaming up with fox con to bid for tosheba's semiconductor business Reports as apple is considering a stake of about 20 percent Well, T tosheba might even retain a stake Apple reportedly would like fox con to have about 30 percent So it doesn't sound like anybody'd have a 50 percent majority if this were the the plan that ends up being approved Meanwhile, niké business daily reported fox con has asked soft bank to join it in a bid But I don't know how close you've been following this Lloyd, but Japan would like whoever buys tosheba semiconductor business to stay in japan so if apple Had a stake and tosheba kept a stake. I don't know if that would satisfy their concerns Yeah, and the interesting part of that is that what part of tosheba semiconductor are we talking about? I mean, are they going to keep it together because the massive The biggest chunk of it is the memory piece, right? Yeah, and that that's the that's the part that they're talking about for the most part Yeah, all the people make the car semiconductors and stuff like that a pretty small chunk of change Yeah, it's mostly about the flash memory the nand Stuff and they're selling it because they need to pay for the fact that westing house went bankrupt Which which is they owned over here in the united states and that's a result of nuclear power So it's a whole chain of events and japan is very protective of keeping japanese businesses Japanese owned so there's a lot of a lot of balancing out by big balancing act going on here Uh, do you think it ends up hurting or helping us as consumers in the long run? Well, since this is mostly the flash memory piece of it, I think If whoever buys them invest in foundry space and in expanse capacity That's a good thing for consumers because right now flash memory capacity is really tight And so you see things like prices of ssd start to go up So long term if somebody invests in it properly it could be a good thing. Yeah As part of a policy change originally announced back in january 2016 microsoft began blocking updates To users of intel cabi lake and amdi ryzen processors from running windows 7 or 8.1 You got to run windows 10. Uh, that even includes security patches for windows 7 and 8.1 Intel skylake processors are also affected although there's a white list of 16 manufacturers there That will receive continued support microsoft changed the update policy due to what they say is difficulty in making new Hardware features compatible with older operating systems It does feel quite a bit like this is another one of those planks in microsoft's plan to force people to move up To windows 10. Do you feel like they have a legitimate argument here? I think we have a more legitimate argument on the ryzen side just because it really is a new architecture I mean cabi lake is really an evolution of going back to broadwell and even before So I am a little bit skeptical There's a few new features, but I don't know it seems a little odd to me It doesn't feel like it will affect that many people It mostly will affect people who build their own systems And even those people if you're building a new system with cabi lake, wouldn't you be putting windows 10 on it for the most part? But you know, there are a lot of people that are still passionate about windows 7 Almost daily. Yeah, and those people are going to be very angry about this. There's just no way around that All right Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines in less than five minutes Subscribe to our sister show daily tech headlines Dot com. Well, as we mentioned, uh, loyde has been playing around with ryzen First of all, tell us a little bit about where ryzen sits I know we talked about it a bit on the show, but it's not exactly a direct competitor to almost anything It kind of sits in between, right? Yeah, so ryzen 7 Has a lot of features that you see on Lots of threads On the other hand where they don't compete with the extreme edition processors Is they only they have limited memory bandwidth relative to the extreme edition processors We have two memory challengers is for And so they've priced it even so that's sort of less than the extreme edition But a little more than the the consumer versions of the Intel processors I think it's a smart move because that way people can get, you know, amazing thread performance if they need that And if they don't if they don't need the memory bandwidth, which is sort of a Kind of thing anyway, then they're they're good to go I've been pretty impressed with overall with both the and the power usage is way down for me It's great to see and these now should be efficient processors as well So yeah, Ryzen 5 Ryzen 5 is more of a direct competitor with Intel mainstream processors Yeah One of the things that I I've seen a few people complain about or maybe not complain But express concern about is if I'm a gamer I'm a video gamer But just is ryzen even an option for me because maybe I would like to help the underdog out But I don't want to do it at the expense of my performance Right, so here's been my experience first couple of notes first One thing that's people have noticed is that if you rebuild the game and recompile it for To take ryzen into account your performance in that game goes up So there's some obviously some tuning that will need to be done Also a lot of the console game developers are developing for AMD now in a sense since both of the major consoles use AMD cores Even though they're not ryzen cores, so I think a little bit. I think we'll see that strike to shake out over time But the other thing that's really salient is if you are running a relatively decent graphics card and a high resolution monitor It almost doesn't matter people have done a lot of benchmarks and find out that it's basically flat American tell if you're running a high res with a good graphics card Well, that brings up the other side of this AMD doesn't have integrated graphics in ryzen yet. Is that something they need to pay attention to? I think so and and they will uh, that's on the roadmap towards the end of the year. They'll they'll be adding their, um Uh gcn cores just like the uh existing apus, but they'll be on our using ryzen cpu cores instead of Uh, the older ones I should note that we've been doing some experiential testing here Just having people play games on a ryzen system with a gts 1080 So if you grab a scar on a 1440p monitor, nobody's had any problems. We haven't had crashes frame rates been good Experiences have been good. So I think that that validates that So if you're a gamer you could get a ryzen get a 1080. I mean if you could if you could plug down for it Well, it's unless on a ryzen and get yourself a big graphics card, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly If if you're somebody who's wanting a cheaper machine, uh, and and maybe this is more about ryzen 5 Than it is about ryzen 7 What advantage do you get out of going with a machine that has AMD in? Again, they're pricing the ryzen 5 processors pretty aggressively And offering a few more features. For example, the ryzen 5 1600 x has six cores whereas no intel mainstream processor does and supports six 12 threads So now you have this sort of a thread monster At a very mainstream price that then you can run other things on because I think most people Even most gamers don't just play games right through a lot of other things PC perspective it's an interesting test where they uh AMD issued a new power profile because one of the things windows was doing was is putting all the cores to sleep Without needing to do that and that in that wake up time affected a lot of performance And and now the performance is much smoother on on a brighter application Now One of the things I noted when when AMD came out with ryzen is this does get them back into the desktop game It does as as you've said make 8 x 86 interesting again How how important is that? Versus the fact that this doesn't really help AMD and mobile which is where every and and When I say mobile here, I'm talking about tablet and phone. It helps them in mobile with laptop, right? How does that work for AMD? Is that okay or do or they still need to be concerned with with phones and tablets? I don't tablets. Maybe the higher end tablet can excuse The two and one kind of products like Surface the microsoft server series I don't think it matters as much with sort of the ipad class tablets Uh, and if you look at what intel it is they spent billions of dollars trying to get into the mobile business And eventually shut it down So I think that uh, I don't think that the phone part is going to be that important amd But I worry that well, I don't worry because I'm not an amd stockholder But if I were amd, I would worry that you know What intel's doing is trying to leapfrog over into internet of things and and ai and vision sensing and machine Vision and that that gives them a future if amd is is making very compelling x86 chips Which they are what do they do down the road or do they do they risk hitting a cul-de-sac there? Well, what amd does have that intel does have is has a pretty strong graphics business, right? So one of the things they've done is that in that business they compete more than video, but they have been starting to deliver GPU compute units gpu compute cards that are strictly for server compute and Those are starting to show up. You find those in server clusters now Doing the sort of deep learning kind of Software and and generation that has mostly been approved. You've been video And you know For the moment anyway. Oh oems are happy because now they can diversify their lineup, right? They've got something new to sell That's always good. I mean Cappy lake was kind of a yonor for a lot of these companies that didn't really sort of boost their sales really at all but rise in my philosophy of the the Ecosystem of rise is interesting too because in the past when you buy amd you would serve basically stuck with a bunch of budget products Now there's a lot of sort of really high-end Gamer-oriented, you know Motherboards a lot of bling and stuff like that starting to show up kind of neat Uh, and I know you've been playing around with it But but what are some of the performance discoveries that you've found in in tweaking around with rise in? The more I play around with it and and it is as the State of the art Progresses like the new power profiles and things like that. I found it to be a better and smoother experience my early experience right out of the box the system was a little rough in the sense of Uh, things like stuttering in games and things like that But as new drivers have come out new biases have come out And I've found the experience has gotten a lot smoother. So I think uh, we are still at early days on this What a what are the the bottom line questions for people? I know uh, and and this goes from the the person who's ready to build their own pc and sees this as a great option All the way down to the person who has barely any idea What the chipset means to them and just wants to know if it's got an amd rise in chip Is that something that I care about who who is this for who should be looking for these in the devices? At this point in times if you're talking about like the average home office user who never plays a game and barely does Maybe super light photo editing at best I think that uh, they're still better off than intel solution because intel offers other great graphics And you'll see those classes of systems For those people But I think as you move up the chain If you're doing any kind of photo editing or video editing res gets very attractive because all those threads become very useful Uh, uh, you start to hit up at the very high end if you're doing 4k or higher video editing in terms of memory bandwidth But that's up until that point You know rises up pretty monster Yeah, it sounds like you can get a lot of performance for for for your dollar spend All right, uh, before we move along though, I want to point out the uh, uh, the rise in diary that you're doing at uncertainty dot com You've got two parts up so far Right, tell tell people a little bit about what you're doing here and what they can find if they follow along Right. So, uh, amd worked the cyber power to send me a system that was basically an out-of-box rising system I didn't particularly like the entire configuration So I've been fooling around with it taking some things out adding some things in Using it on a daily basis for some things like gaming and stuff like that And just sort of sharing that experience rather than running a bunch of benchmarks and saying here's what the performance is Because I think in the end, uh, most people are going to use the system for a variety of things and one set of benchmarks may not help them at all Uh, and I also ran into some glitches that turned out to be not amd related down to make sure I pointed out that that Was an amd problem and and share how I fix those and talk about troubleshooting So it's a whole sort of package on how my experience with the system. Yeah, how unlucky that you had a bad flash drive just just randomly Right ssds are so reliable these days, right? So having one go bad on me was kind of a shock Uh, but I love this idea of wrote you're basically road testing You're saying but look you can you can read you can read the benchmarks to your eyes bleed all over the internet You know, let's give you an idea of what this will be like in practice So this is pretty cool. And so the end goal of this by the way is to sort of rebuild this into What I call a production system and and making my daily system for a while and see how that goes Very cool. Very cool. Well, speaking of cool One of the things you did was change the cooling system already. All right, that's right Uh, go check it out folks uncertainty.com. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com a couple emails before we're out of here today renard Just watched the build your own phone story on strange parts.com. Did you catch this loyed the guy that that sounds amazing? No, I read about it. I read about it. I need to go read the site Yeah, he's got a great video of him going through the market and shopping for parts and everything Uh, renard says the scary part is the end with the box and other parts It shows you how you could buy an iphone on ebay or other sites and actually not be getting an iphone that was made by apple I know counterfeiting is big in china. I think it's overestimated how big it is But it does happen Uh, this shows how it's done just wow I've had similar headphones and it was obvious the quality wasn't copied Or i'm sorry smaller headphones, but it was obviously the quality wasn't copied But this story shows how on some products you may never know I guess if it works, you may not care if the price is right I just know if I spend the bigger money I want my device to have come from the brand name company and you want the warranty and all of that too, probably Um, I think this is harder to do than Then you might think and I and I think the video at strangeparts.com sort of shows that Yeah, it's not quite like counterfeit luxury watches, right? It's a little more involved in that Yeah, well and and the other thing that struck me about this Is that he's Basically doing the same thing you do when you build your own pc Right. It's just that nobody it can do that Because it's a lot harder. It's it's a lot more intricate. I guess right There are places here in silicon valley where you can rummage around and find these kinds of parts I I assume that other people are doing this too. Yeah, it's it's just that you know and in china They've got this market that that is Right. Right. Um, I can what's what's the warehouse down there in san jose where you could you can buy like old palm pilots and They just have buckets of chips and they're still there. I know what you're talking about I used to go there a long time ago, but I haven't been there in a while. Yeah, it's and it's fun Weird stuff is yeah weird stuff is one of them. There's actually a couple of them But yeah weird stuff is another one. Imagine like A hundred of those kinds of places all gathered together one. That's that's what it seems like he's going to here Uh, but yeah, I mean rinard is right If you can get the parts and put it together You can make something that looks like the original thing and then it becomes a matter of semantics If it's I actually got all the parts. Is it any different? Right? Uh, Andy chase wrote in and said hey tom and crew Often here on your show a lot of praise for domino's pizza and their use of technology We have talked about their use of bots and online ordering He says as a frequent domino's custer. I have to disagree the pizza tracker only seems to work for on time pizza I've often had the tracker tell me the pizza arrived an hour before it actually arrived I'm not sure if it's a dumb timer or the staff is saying the pizza is done So they don't get in trouble, but this piece of domino's technology needs some real world improvement Uh, of course your your mileage may vary But that is odd that that that it only works if the pizza actually arrives on time It's as it's as if maybe in this case it's being The people I guess what I'm saying is This kind of thing can only work so so well as the people putting in the data So if the delivery driver just is oughta has written a script, I guess I don't know. I don't know what would explain that But it's yeah, it's it relies on the people saying, you know I mean, there's not we haven't got to the point where a bot can see independently That the pizza has been delivered There was this funny, um video that Nvidia sent out. I don't know if you saw this about one of their, uh Nvidia powered robots delivering food in san francisco. That's oh, uh, huh? Uh, is this the uh, is this the star lab people or is it different? I don't know who it is. It was just I just came across my mail. I just took a quick look at it and said, oh, okay Yeah I mean another imagine. Well, and this this brings up an interesting thought Imagine if you had like one of those, uh ring doorbells or a nest cam or something Uh hooked into a system where you feed back to dominoes or whoever Uh some imagery that would be recognized to verify So if a domino system said it was delivered and your your nest cam didn't see it delivered then You know, they it would it would cause at least the issue to be raised Yeah, I mean ups is doing that now, right? I get pings down then saying your package has been delivered. It's oh, okay Good, I can go to my friend fortune and pick it up. Yeah, and it's nice It would be nice to have your own device be able to verify that say, uh, I don't know The post office saying it's delivered, but I don't see it right Uh, anyway, that's that's what thank you eddie for uh writing in and thank you. Lloyd for joining us It's always fun to talk to you because you're you're still knowledgeable and you're really into this stuff And I could tell you enjoy it So thanks for sharing your insights with us. My pleasure. Take care guys If uh, folks want to find more of what you're doing, where should they go? To places uncertainty.com is my personal blog where I'm doing a lot of the rise and stuff and other things Uh, I just wrote about my experience for example with a new uh, sigma art lens for my dslr Uh, which is fun to do. 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We'll find out talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com I hope you have enjoyed this brover Ah, that was great. Lloyd. Thank you so much. My pleasure. It was a lot of fun It was fun to hang out with you guys. Yeah, same here And uh, I don't know if you remember from last time, but we always just hang out live While we name the show and edit and stuff if you need to go go whatever you need to go You can hang out whatever you want to do Cool. Hey, I had a question for you. So does this kind of uh reinforce the uh the x86 um architecture I mean with with the with the or or is it just I mean one of the things that um I want to say amd and what I want to what's the uh What's the chip designer that they don't make they just designed arm arm And so arm is like it's super ubiquitous in tablets and and uh mobile I mean is this will this end up helping to shore up the x86 Market or is that like one of those things where it I mean, it's it's destined for sunset at some point I think I can't predict. I mean someday everything will sunset, but I mean at this point in time I think x86 has its strength, of course in the pc market that we're all familiar with But also huge in the server infrastructure, right? Most servers run on intel And some servers run on amd and very very few today run on arm processors And I don't know is that you'll see that happen Very quickly it'll change very quickly even though microsoft has ported windows servered arm and things like that So we'll have to see how it goes, but I think at this point Intel's making most of its money on x86 and a lot of that's in the server business So we sometimes forget about the all the cloud stuff. That's where a lot of that's going Um, all right top title that we have is mojo ryzen Followed up is amd ryzen to the top Uh, if you don't know what the website is. It's a loid. It's a showbot sho wbot dot Um followed up with uh a nintendo is allowed to switch its mind Nintendo switches its mind win lose or google a i draw good artist borrow google's google's artist steal amd has ryzen micro pakalypse Oh, yeah, that's the microsoft apple cars from the makers of apple maps Ah Piction ari Spring of sprung amb has I think that meant amd has risen rise. Yeah typo Yeah, I like mojo ryzen. I think that's right. Yeah That's pretty good mojo ryzen Lloyd you have a preference I'm trying to find out my uh co blogger David Bryant had a funny one. Oh well rise and shine Ah, that's good I like that mine. I gave you that today You should have david on your show sometime by the day they do right to yeah fellow at mozilla And he's you know done a lot of their sort of hardware-oriented stuff and he's got a lot of the years experience in the industry including sun and Bell labs things like that. That'd be great. Yeah, I'd love to if he'd be up for it. They'd be gone Do you have this contact info that you could I will I will email that to you cool. Yeah um Now I'm really excited. It's it's been a while since I've been excited about anything amd outside of their video cards Right. Um, so this is this is pretty cool I'm I'm really I'm really excited to see what they do with it with an integrated on dye GPU ap whatever, you know, well, he's just what they've done with like playstation 4 pro and with the upcoming scorpio I mean those are Seriously seriously badass graphics on an integrated processor, right? So I think uh if they do that for the pc that could be Put a herd on mid-range graphics herds I mean like yeah, I mean pretty much all the low-end stuff is pretty much eaten away by Uh intel's integrated graphics, right? So I mean I'd be great. I would just want one less thing. I gotta buy right And it could they could could make for a decent laptop I mean if they can get the uh the temperatures the the the power usage down to acceptable levels Mm-hmm Yeah, when I sometimes I see Some grumbling about windows not playing well with amd and and and there definitely is some there's some factual basis with The idea that intel does seem to get a little preferential treatment But I don't think it's because microsoft doesn't like amd or anything I mean they're working with them just fine on the xbox. It's right. It's it's probably it's more about market share, right? Well, intel has a lot of people working in the labs aggressively pushing stuff towards microsoft, you know Because if it runs really well on intel it'll also make microsoft look good Yeah So I think that we'll see the similar thing happen with amd that amd is going to want to make their stuff look good And microsoft is not going to want to get the wrap of having running poorly on amd. So right Well, especially if this gets good uptake, which it looks like it might I mean if it does Does does this mean that apple at some point could theoretically it's like a amd? They also make an x86 architecture, which requires a little to Apple seems to want to just design everything themselves, but yeah, maybe yes, you all saw the news about imagination last week. Yeah Well, and there was another one this week Uh, it was a report not a not a not verified, but um, it was the uh Power management ship, right I'm a little more skeptical about that one. Yeah But the imagination can be huge Yeah, but I mean is that is that something they could could scale into A desktop laptop or is that? Uh, they could they would have to you know, write their own drivers and stuff You absolutely for example Take an apple graphics core Some some mythical apple graphics core integrated into a macbook rather than a tablet, right? And Mac pro Um, I I saw that the apologize. Yeah, which they uh long overdue I'll have to wait take a wait and see on that one and see if they actually deliver. Yeah I mean, I'm assuming they would just go with intel Uh, whenever that comes out, uh should it come out, but but maybe maybe they would have an amd Need for amd in that if they really do end up committing to the pro line again Right I think the complaint that I heard I'm a lot of mac users with a recent macbook pro wasn't really a pro Yeah, no, it's not I and I know it got dinged by laptop mag for for ports Uh, and I understand that my my problem is not with the ports I mean, I have plenty of android devices that have usb c and and I can't wait for the day when everything is usb c I think that will make my life easier, but But that's not my problem with the mac mac book pro My problem with the mac book pro is that it's not that much more powerful than my three-year-old mac book pro And and when my wife is saying she might want to replace her old mac pro 2010 edition with a laptop. I'm telling her. Well, you probably want to get a windows laptop then There's a funny tweet. I can't remember who was it set symmetry, but uh The editor of mac world was playing around with the surface the surface desktop Uh-huh Really liking it. Uh, you know, uh, yeah, just doing a lot of things to sort of attract apple users Well, and this is a minor thing But I don't like the keyboard of the book pro either every time I go back to using my surface book I'm like, uh, they got a keyboard I can feel and use And that surface book keyboard isn't even the best one. No, and I got it by a replacement trackpad for my lab for my macbook Oh, so that ended up being the the issue still doing it, but it's I now know why it's doing it because it's I don't even work around just to turn it off and use your mouse for them Well, I have my laptop in a desktop configuration with the lid closed and everything plugged in You should tell Lloyd what it was doing to you because it's such a weird problem Yeah, it literally was making the mouse just jump but not like all over the place It was just like on the same Horizontal line I thought I was like, whoa, this is getting kind of weird But it's just literally a flaky trackpad. Like if you touch and try to do anything with it, it's just like It's it's it's either shorting or some of the sensors and it went I don't know. I was thinking about getting like a brand new replacement part, but they want 80 bucks How old is it? It's a 2012 it was the last at 13 inch 2012 model they made so it's like 2. And this is the thing It's fast enough for everything I do with the show Right for 90% of the work for everything else. I have like a 47 90 k Intel pc next to it So and it's I actually really like it because I still I believe or not I still have a couple of things that require firewire. So I love having the firewire port on it And it was weird because I knew I knew more than a handful of people that had like either podcasting or Some audio setup that required it because all their audio interfaces were firewire And then one is like, yeah, I don't want to buy an adapter. I don't want to do this Just take the snow foot. Oh, let's bring barkley up. Hi barkley Hey Barkley looks nice looks cool. Yes. He's uh, mostly doxing with some beagle. I think Yeah, I could see the beagle in his kind of his ears Yeah He's a rescue pup. I don't know if you can see ray rays here my new dog. We just got her a few weeks ago I don't know if my camera will actually show her and and she won't want me to pick her up Oh, sweetheart, she's fine I don't need to be picked up. She's down there. I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah So, um, now I know what the ideal setting for my headset is it's been very useful actually Yeah, I'm generally you want to avoid Do you generally you want to avoid gain or boost if possible? Um, just because they'll They'll distort any of your higher higher range frequency All right. Well, we are published. Thanks everybody for hanging out. Have a good weekend Take care. See y'all later. I know