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Thank you very much for having me, yeah? Yeah, thanks for having me bro, it was well in your gym. Yeah, what's left of the gym? How have you been? To be honest, I've been up and down, very up and down, last like six months since my last fight. I've had a shoulder operation. I tried, like I say, I tried to start a new gym and everything else. Yeah, it's been very up and down the last six months, very up and down. Like I said, I'm closing it now and I look like I'm off to America to try and chase the dream out of this. A few big decisions being made. A man of many talents, Bernacol champion, porn star, bit of a loose cannon, you're boxed as well, you're fought under the same card as Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury, you fought us on big feats as well, changed to Bernacol, you got, I think would you get psyched for unboxing completely? So yeah, I got my licence taken off me for boxing for a podcast that I had done, talking about like just wake-ups basically, like using saunas and salt bars and things like that. Yeah, a week later, I had a letter from the boxing board saying that I had my licence taken off me and that if I wanted to go get it back, I need to take a lawyer in front of the board and all that and that was it for me, I'd done it. Just like that, you're very outspoken, you don't hold back, some people love you, some people fucking think he's a pain in the ass, this guy, but before we get into everything, I'll always go back to the start of my guests where you grew up and how it all began. Yeah, so I grew up here, Ely Cambridgeshire, I'm a country boy and I started boxing at 10 years old and my mum and dad took me just purely to lose weight. I was a very chubby kid and to be honest, on my first eight fights, I think I won one or two, I was useless, absolutely useless, I was just a chubby kid, like I say and then all of a sudden by the age of about 13, it just sort of clicked and just got addicted to the boxing lifestyle, you know. Who were you at school? Like PE and things like that, like the physical kind of stuff, absolutely loved, but I just, yeah, I found it very hard doing the more academic stuff. I was just, to be honest, by the time I was like 15, I've made my mind up I was going to be a professional boxer and as a 15 year old kid, you're just so headstrong that everything I was doing was to get me to that point where I was going to turn priority, so. You ever bullied at school? No, I was never really bullied. If anything, I was quite a balshy kind of, I like to fight as a kid, I did like to fight a lot and I don't know if it helped me in good stead as a boxer or what that aggression, but yeah, I was quite a a well-known sort of kid in the area getting in a lot of trouble and stuff like that and I think it's really until until I started going to a pro gym when I was about 16 and I met the pros and I see how they acted and I just grew up overnight. Do you know what I mean? I was like, you know, like I say, I'll say straight up. I was a bit of a naughty kid growing up and then as soon as I went down the pro gyms I just changed because I knew that I had to change. I had to be a better person if I wanted to achieve what I wanted to achieve. How was family life? Mum, dad, any brothers or sisters? Yeah, so I've got I've got an older brother who's five years older me. He started boxing at the same time as I did. So I was 10, he was 15 and he actually won his first four fights in a row and like I say, I lost my first six or whatever I did. And then he got beaten his fifth fight and jacked it in for three years and I just sort of I've always been one of them people that I don't like things to beat me. So I just stuck in there. I stuck at it and yeah, I'm pleased that I did but I've got I've got a very, very strong parents growing up as a kid. It was more just me, my mum and my brother. My dad is probably I think he'll agree that I've probably grown up and followed in these footsteps a little bit in terms of women and all that kind of stuff. But I don't hold that against him. I love him very much. But yeah, it was just my me, me, my mum and my brother nicely growing up. And yeah, do you think if you'd won your first six fights things could be different and you lost that way your brother doing the exact opposite winning, losing, quitting, you losing but never giving up and keep going? Did you think that was an added pressure as well with your brother winning? You were the youngest one. Probably try to look up to your brother and you think did you ever feel like a failure then, a loser? No, I think to be honest, you know where I was like 10 or 11 years of age I was sort of, it was quite lucky that obviously I wasn't going into school at like 16, 17. Ah, you've lost another fight. I think my mates and things like that probably would have as an 11 year old kid. I just wanted to box. You know what I mean? I wanted to compete and I just stuck at it. Yeah, stuck at it and then it just started really it started to really click when I was about 13, 14. I made it to like the finals of the Golden Gloves and yeah, it just all started to click. I lost the weight and everything else. I think to be honest, like the biggest thing like as a kid growing up doing boxing. I think it's just fantastic. You know, like I say, I was a naughty kid, but it made me grow up and I had this conversation yesterday as well like everyone you meet is a boxer nine times out of 10. They're very, very nice. Very, you know, good people because we've all been humbled. Do you know what I mean? We've all had that. I remember as a kid when I was like 12 years old, I'd walk into a gym and there was a travelling kid called Evergreen. His name was and he used to beat me up every session. I used to like go back to training and I'd know I'd get beaten up by this kid. Do you know what I mean? But it humbles you and it makes you. You know that you can improve. And yeah, it just that that strength. It created a strength inside me that definitely is apparent today. You know, how many am I just fixed? Did you have at 69? How many do you want? I want 46. I think 46. Yeah. Well, who's did you tump it off? I turned prior 18, which was far too young. But whose idea was that? So because I was I was coming from like Ely Cambridge here. I got to the final of the Golden Gloves. I won the junior ABAs, but I was never getting picked to go on any of the England training camps and things like that. So I wasn't I just wasn't getting the things that I deserved. So I actually got invited to one England training camp and you had to sort of you had to spar with people. Your weight to prove who's the best and everything else. So all the other kids there had kids their weight to spar with. And they chucked me in with Rocky Field. It was at the time is like 81 kilo. I think I was like 69. I think it was about 21. I was like 16 and he leveled me. So more one England training camp. Just see me getting leveled by Rocky Field. You can scrap as well. So. But yeah, like, you know, I've very fond memories of amateur boxing. Like I had the best trainer in the world. Like Mick, you know, I still see him like weekly. We have cup of tea. He's like 80 years old now. I love him with all my heart. We travelled all over England fighting every week. Like I say, I managed to fit what 69 fights into seven years in an amateur. So I was fighting a lot. He then took me down to the pro gym where I eventually turned pro in London. He took me down there, introduced me to all the trainers and where I found my feet and that and and and left me there. So I owe everything to Mick. That's why when you see me fight, you always see Mick on the back of my shorts because that's that's the man without him. I'd be nothing. What was it like your first pro feat? It was great. Like I was super, super excited. I've been training a long time for it that at this point I've been down the pro gym for a couple of years and that it was on Tyson Fury's show. It was an American show at Yorkall Bethnal Green, but it's being shown on show time. So it was a massive platform for me to obviously make my pro debut and I went in there and I stopped him in the second round. And yeah, it was, you know, it was great. Like to have all my fans there, my pro debut and to stop him on a Tyson Fury show. It was great. Yeah. So you had 18 feats, lost five. What was your first loss leak? My first loss. So my first loss was when I was 20 years old and again it was on a matchroom show. And as a kid like looking back now I'm 30 years old and I can look back on, you know, on hindsight and I just made the weight all wrong. I was, you know, what people have got to remember is a 19, 20-year-old kid. You've not got all these nutritionists, dietitians. It's all coming out your own pocket. You're scraping and scraping. You're living fight by fight. So, you know, I'd done what I thought was right and my first fight I made the weight all wrong. Got in there and for five rounds I just boxed the guy's head off. Actually boxed the guy's head off but I just, I was gone. I just had nothing left and the last round come at you through an overhand right, put me over. I got back up and the referee stopped it and I remember just getting out and seeing my parents afterwards and I just said something's not right. I've been training for this fight for 10 weeks. I shouldn't be feeling this weak and gassed out in six rounds. Do you know what I mean? So, um, yeah, I went to a hospital, had my bloods checked up and I actually had a thing called hyperglycemia, which is when your your blood sugar crashes. Obviously I didn't know I had it at the time and it was just purely through making, just making wrong decisions when my diet and everything else really. Not that I ate bad, if anything, I just didn't eat. Do you know what I mean? I just didn't eat. I was so like, I wanted to make the weight so much and so dedicated that I'd just do stupid silly things and I think even now boxing is definitely giving me like an eating disorder type thing because you just train, train, train and you're so scared of stepping on the scales and being heavy and stuff like that. And I definitely take that from that fight. That definitely give me like an eating disorder. Do you know what I mean? So what was it? What was it after the first loss then? What was it? What was it straight back to the drawing board? The job I think it quitting then? No, like, like I say, it was on a matrim show. So like it was on an Eddie Hernbill. You know, I've been given this big opportunity to be on TV. Obviously lost age 20, but I never once thought about quitting. I knew, you know, I knew that I could make it right and I could come back and so I just built myself up back on like really small shows. I was on like Sunday fighting on Sundays on small builds with a few hundred people there, done, done all that. And then I actually fought for a British Masters title against a lad called Danny Connor who I fought three times. This was my fifth or sixth professional fight and I lost by a round. It was a very competitive fight, really hard fight and I actually lost by a round. So that was two losses that I had by then trainer at the time Tony Sims. He then, he then sat me. Why? Because I lost my fight. I lost a fight and yeah, he run me up and said, look, I don't, you know, I don't want you back at the gym anymore. And as a 2020 round kid, that was heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking, you know, because I'd been that I had been at the gym for about three years at that point. Yes, as told that I've been, you know, sacked was very hard. So I then went what six, seven months just training myself. Like again, I knew I could make it back. I knew I was just making. I'd made a few mistakes with my diet and stuff like that and and just experienced, you know, I mean, there's a 2021 year old kid. You're very naive and you just don't know it all. So I cracked on and I just trained myself for about six months. I actually had another title fight come up and I was just training myself. I got invited back to Tony Sims, his gym to spar one of his lads and Tony's brother Pete was there and he'd just seen me spar and he was just giving me water in the corner and to be fair, I sparred really well and he just said afterwards, like, who's training you for this fight? I said, I'm just training myself and he's like, well, do you want me to train you? So that then started the training with Peter Sims, who was, you know, Tony, my old trainers brother and we trained for this title fight and I went on one it and then that brought me back in training with Pete and getting back on the big, big shows again. So you fought and Anthony Joshua? Yeah, I fought when I won the English title. I was chief supporter to Anthony Joshua at the O2 arena. I fought, yeah, I fought some big bills off. I was chief supporter Kevin Mitchell for a world title fight. I fought up at the MEN arena on John Murray and Anthony Crawler, Crawler's show. Good guy, Crawler. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. And yeah, I fought on some massive shows to be fair. It's very lucky. But yeah, it's a hard career. People don't realise how hard professional boxing is. They really don't. I talk to professional fighters now and kids that are like coming through the amateur ranks and want to turn pro. And I almost feel obliged to tell them how hard it is. Do you know what I mean? Like the tickets and everything else is I definitely rushed into being professional. If I'd had my time again, I probably wouldn't have turned pro till I was like 23, 24. I just think like an 18, 19 year old kid, you're very young. Like mentally, you're very young, very naive. And not only that, you're up against like 30 year old men and it's physically, it's a big change as well. So yeah, if I had my time again, I would have done it a bit, waited a bit. So the podcast you've done, you spoke about going on bath salts just to lose the weight and they took a licence or be like, that seems a bit extreme. Yeah. So I mean, as a more to that story, do you know what I've got to say this story? So when I fought with the MEN arena, I fought with a lad called Tyrone nurse. It was only my 11th fight. It had 31, 29. I was the away fire English title. I got off. Eddie has offered me this tile fight and I've took it. You know, it's a massive opportunity for me live on Sky. We had an absolute war of a fight. I ended up fracturing my nose, both my eyes are swollen over, busted my hand, busted my rib. I was in, I was in quite a bad way. It was a really hard fight. And I went back to the change rooms and the rings I don't just come in. You can see all these bumps all over my head and that he said, look, you need to go straight to hospital. And the thing would be in a mat room, mat room fighter, your state, you put up in hotels. You took you took to the venue obviously by the mat room driver and things like that. And the first time I really realized how disposable you are as a fighter was after that fight where like I say the rings I doctors come in both my eyes are closed. And he said, look, you need to go straight to hospital and people who were like working with mat room like the taxi ranks outside. So I've literally had to get my mum dad like that, put my arms around either side. And they've just walked me out the front of the Emmy and arena arena where all the fans are coming in through the turnstiles and I walked out and I'm having a call my own taxi to take myself to hospital and I spent the night in hospital. And then fast forward to three years later where I do this podcast talking about obviously using saunas, salt baths and they've they've then took my license off me because I'm highlighting bad, health issues or whatever they're trying to say. But to me it's just an absolute contradiction of terms that you can watch me have a 10 round war of a fight. The rings I doctors told me to go to go to hospital and you just watch me walk out and call my own taxi not a driver, no ambulance, no nothing. I've had to hold my mum dad like that and walk out the Emmy and arena go and spend the night in hospital and then they've took my license away because I spoke about something that everyone knows happens. You know that people use saunas and salt baths to lose weight. I mean everyone I've ever told anyone this story to they're like but everyone knows that happens. Yeah, everyone knows it happens that you just not allowed to talk about it. Is that an excuse to get rid of you though? Did you do anything behind the scenes or anything to piss anybody off? I didn't do anything to piss anything off. The only thing I would say that it happened it so I done the podcast and in between the podcast coming out there was a guy called Scott West Gaff who died in an English title fight and I sort of think that they just must have used me as like an example. Do you know what I mean? If like all the dehydrating and stuff like that. But yeah, you just never look back. You don't want to try and get your license back another so I run that against them then I rung the board up and they just told me that if I wanted to get my license back I'd have to get a lawyer and go in front of the board. And I thought do you know what? I've been a pro for seven years and I was known for being in really tough fights like wars and I just thought that you know like I say how disposable you are as a fighter that you know I can put seven years of my life into it and you can just take my license off me for that. Like bearing in mind there's people out there who are getting caught for taking steroids and everything else and getting six month bans and you just took my license off me because I've said that I used a sauna to lose weight. So I just left that in my rearview mate to be honest. I just wanted to get out of it. Yeah, I just wanted to get out. What did you do with your leaf then? So you're giving up with feet and I thought completely. So in my head I was giving up with fighting like most fighters do they battle they battle with themselves. I'm done with fighting. I'm done with fighting. Then probably six months down the line like everyone does. No, I want to fight again. Do you know what I mean? I was I was 25 26 years of age. I was at my peak really. So I just went back to I went back to my hometown. Ely, Camberchir. I made a gym there. I know I just started training boxing and things like that. But that life just wasn't enough for me. Do you know what I mean? Like just that get up, work, go back home. That isn't my thing. I need I need to be fighting. So yeah, I see I see bare knuckle was on it was like BBC news or something like that. And they were they were talking about it being the fastest growing sport in Britain right now. And I just rung the promoter up and said, like, what's the deal? Like this looks like a bit of me. And then two months later, I literally had my first bare knuckle fight and I haven't looked back. I love it. What was the transition like from boxing to bare knuckle? It was I would say the biggest thing was like the pace of it. Obviously I've been going from like doing 10 freeze, 12 free fights where the pace is a lot slower. So you pick your shots a lot more. That first fight I had bare knuckle was a real like baptism of fire. The guy that I thought Tony Laffy just come in and through the kitchen sink at you. So I was all going out there like picking my shots, getting behind my jab and stuff like that. And the guy was just trying to take my head off of every shot. And I went back to the corner. My trainers just like, you need to wait the fuck up. You need to wake up. And I did wake up and I sort of come to terms with the pace of it stuck to my boxing and I smashed it to be fair. But yeah, that first round was a real eye opener. What's it like getting cracked without the gloves on? Is that a big difference? Do you feel it more? I imagine obviously it's a stupid question, but you would feel it more but do you feel numb to it when you're in there that you feel the difference? I would say that you feel numb to it. I think when you cut it feels like the best way to describe it is like a burn. Do you know what I mean? It feels like a burn. But I would say the worst thing about bare knuckles is your hands. Like when I fought Sean George, like for the people that have seen it like it literally like the last two rounds of commentators like actually looks like he's got boxing gloves on my hands were like that. They were just they were so swollen and have to go out there and keep pumping that jab up, keep pumping it out. Even though your hands just that swollen. That's the worst bit. You know, and that's where a lot of a lot of people think they can be a bare knuckle fire. Perhaps they can take the shots, but can they protect themselves when their hands are that bad and their fingers are broken? I think it, you know, it takes a different kind of person to be a bare knuckle fire because I watched your documentary on broken great documentary, but you see the strain and the pressure. It's not just the pain you put yourself in. But your mum, the cry and the worrying constant. Mum always going to work listening. You keep out fucking molten cows and your mum would be worrying. It's just that you got to work. OK, but I've been in a ring and listen. It's life or death in there. There's no fucking life or death in boxing as well. But bare knuckle boxing, there seems to be more injuries. So when you put your mum through that pressure, how hard is that plays on your mind before you get into a fight or just block everything out? Yeah, I mean, like before my first when I announced that I was going to do bare knuckle, there wasn't one person I knew that wanted me to do it. Do you know what I mean? Everyone's like, are you off your head? Like, but as you know, for me, the fighting fighting is everything. I've been doing it since I was 10 years old. The great thing with my mum is she'll hate. She'll hate that I'm doing all this stuff, but she'll fully 100% back me and she knows this is what I love. She knows that fighting is my everything. Obviously seeing the documentary and seeing how much it affects that because obviously when I'm when I'm fighting, I'm not seeing her crying. I'm not seeing her being scared. So watching that documentary back and seeing how she is when I was fighting is quite heartbreaking. But like I say, she knows she knows how much I love it. And I know that she's always she's going to support me for whatever. What was the training difference like from training for a fight for boxing and training for a fight for bare knuckle? Just like, well, like I say, for the first fight, I really just trained like I did with the boxing. I've done what I knew, what I knew best and it wasn't till I got in there and was like, wow, okay, this pace is totally different to boxing. So I now do crossfit like just explosive like circuits and stuff like that because let's face it like running like you are never going to be, you know, your heart rate is never going to be one paste or nothing like that. You need to be ready to go bump and land as soon as you get in that ring. I think that I did start to do was I used to spar before my fights in bare knuckle. So instead of doing pad work in the change rooms, I'd actually be sparring. Be working up a real sweat took a couple of shots so that when you get in that ring, you're ready because if you've got that little bit where you're cold. Yeah, it can end quick. Beat your nails because you are saying the other when you're throwing a punch, it's not just a straight one to you've got a ton ton your wrists. Why is that? It's just landing landing on the on your two front knuckles like that. The two the two knuckles that are meant for punching. Do you know what I mean? Like you land you land here. That's why you see a lot of like MMA fighters and things like that that go into bare knuckle and they're breaking their hands and they're throwing these wild shots perhaps because they're used to wearing the little gloves. That's one thing in the first fight. Like I say, I kept breaking this finger here. And as my bare knuckle career has gone on now, my hands have actually been better after a fight because I'm just landing the shots a lot more accurate and properly. You know what I mean? I'm not just throwing them willy nilly and hoping they're going to land like like you can do with a boxing glove. You know, you can you can sort of throw a lot of awkward shots with boxing gloves and not hurt your hands. How many feats did it take for you to get Waddle Teetle shot? So I had two and then my third one was against Sean George for the world title fight. Yeah, I saw fast. I think more than anything, I just impressed so much my first two bare knuckle fighters. I mean, the first fight with Laffy was just an absolute war. It's a real fan favourite. And then the second fight with Navarro. It done so well because I sort of brought things into into bare knuckle that you just haven't seen before. Like I was using my shoulder. I was slipping. I had my hands down and I was fighting as if I had gloves on. Sure, born. Yeah. So, you know, my highlight video against Mark Navarro just went bomb. It went absolutely mental. It was having millions and millions of views and everything else. And I think that sort of forced the fight with Sean George because in all honesty, like bare knuckles, obviously in this infancy at the minute, it's not got loads and loads of people. So, if you're if you're proving yourself to be one of the best, you're going to be fighting the best. You know what I mean? Straight away. It's very much like like UFC in the way that they want the best fight and the best all the time. You know what I mean? I mean, it's the way it should be. Yeah. Like I mean my boxing club background, I like I say, I was one of them people that were chucked into hard fights very early on in my career. And I didn't mind that. But what I do mind is that when your bravery doesn't get rewarded. Do you know what I mean? So say you lost a fight on points against a guy who you were meant to lose to really, but you know, you put a great performance in and everything else rather than being put into another big fight. You're right back down on like four and six rounds against starting over and in a grander fight. Do you know what I mean? So it's like for a lot of people in boxing, I can see why they don't take these big fights because if they was to lose, they're right back down to the bottom again. And they're on rubbish money and everything else. They're not on TV. So you can see why UFC's obviously getting so big because they're that they've got the monopoly on the fighters where they can just go. Look, if you don't take this fight will cancel your contract. Don't I mean? So the best do fight the best UFC. You look at their records. You've got like, you know, a lot of them have got five, six, seven losses on the record, but that's because they're fighting the best from day one and they can still be world champion and a few. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, many people think majority of the world champions. I know we've all had losses, but it's like, I like the press conferences and that there's a bit of space about there's a bit of space about them as well. And yeah, seeing the better world title fights every couple of weeks and it's good to see that that's why it's it's thriving. And it's, I don't know if it's catching up with boxing, but it's fucking sure giving a good push in America. I like it's a lot bigger than boxing. MMA is huge in America and the bear knuckles getting big. Like the bear knuckles massive, you know, like the perfect example when I when I fought for the English title, I fought a lad called Ricky Boylan who at the time he was 12 or no, he was matrims like Golden Boy, but to be honest, if you looked at his record, he'd fought no one. Don't mean so. I was begging for that fight because all those I'm beating and 12 fights. He hasn't fought anyone. Do you know what I mean? So I knew I could win that fight and I did. I went and won the fight and then you've never heard of Ricky Boylan again. Really like in all fairness. Do you know what I mean? It just is the business of boxing is a dirty business unless you've got that nice shiny. Oh, you're not really worth a lot to a promoter. Yeah. Do you think I'll use yours up? Yeah, it does. Yeah. 100% like I say, where you know, you would have fought like that guy is in a great fight. Put up, you know, put all his heart in that fight. Let's reward that guy with another hard fight or another good fight. But it's not. You just don't see him again. He's back down the pecan order in four rounders. Do you know what I mean? What was it like one in a waddle teatle? That was amazing. Yeah, it was just amazing. It was I had I had my the trainer. I was on about earlier Mick, my old amateur coach. I had him in the corner as well. Just everything about that was right. Do you know what I mean? It was just the great training camp, everything. And I knew that I could. I knew I could do it. I knew that I could be a world champion. But yeah, I perhaps didn't know it was going to be in bare knuckle. But yeah, just unbelievable. And it all got caught in a documentary as well. So I couldn't have gone any better really. Who was the weak cut for that? Because I know you struggle with your weight sometimes. Yeah, like the weight cutting for the bare knuckle. I actually went. So when I was went up to bare knuckle, I I moved up to 11 stone. So when I was professional glove box, I was I was fighting at 10 stone. So I was having to do stupid things to make that weight. I was like the last time I made 10 stone. I lost like 18 pound in the last week, which and I was I was pissing blad and all sorts. It was I was so dehydrated. But again, when the fights are coming at that weight, you know, and the money fights are coming at that weight. You just keep trying to get down to that weight. And it's like I say, you can only go to the well so many times before it catches up with you. And yeah, the last time I made 10 stone, I was I was just a shadow of myself like I say. I was I was pissing blood before I fight and everything. That's scary. Is 11 stone easier then? Yeah, well, I say easier. It's it's a lot more comfortable as in I don't have to do all the stupid losing so much water weight and stuff like that. I still have to work super hard diet and everything else to get down on probably about 12 and a half 13 stone now. So, you know, I have to diet and everything else. But you're not just doing all you're not doing all them stupid things in the final week. Like you'll train for like 10 11 weeks for a fight, train your ass off. And then that last week, you'll ruin everything by dehydrating so badly that you can't even think straight. Do you know what I mean? I'm like again going back to my last time at that fight. I remember just warming up. It was at the O2. I was warming up and I was like usually my trainers thrown like pads and thrown like shots and I'm slipping them. I'm rolling them and just caught me of everything. And it was like as if I was like two seconds behind. I just my my just couldn't react to anything. And I went out and I just got pummeled. I was just like a punch bag basically. I got a real bad cut in the second round. I had to have 15 stitches. And then like after that fight, I was just like done with this. I've got to move up. I've got to move up or I'm going to kill myself. We've had a few brain scans of you know as well. Yeah. What's that like when you're going to do that? And you potentially could come out and you can never fit again. Yeah, scary. It's scary. I mean you don't for me. I never go in there thinking that that's going to be the case. So, but yeah, no, it's scary now like knowing that I've had 21 years of fighting. And I think, you know, all five probably all together nearly had 100 fights. I'd say the sparring and everything else. Some of the spars I've had have been as bad if not worse than the fights. You know what I mean? So I've took a lot of punches in my life. Um, so yeah, I think the next brain scan I have, I'll probably be a little bit more wide because you know, I'm 30 now. Like I said, 21 years getting punched. It's a long time. You've got an excuse for your head being fried then bro. Because Jimmy Sweeney was on your your documentary. He's a great guy. He's well. I'm good friends with Rico. They too had a tear up. Jimmy just got his belt back. That unbelievable doors to for what they're achieving and the fucking was that they've had like two great fighters. Like how did you become friends with Jimmy? So actually I've become friends with Jimmy like very early on in my bennacle career. We actually, you know, we were he was like, he's the man in the basically when you talk about BKB. He's the guy that Jimmy Sweeney, the king, everything else. So we started messaging. We started sparring and he was a great help to me. Like he was, he was the guy that was showing me how to land my shots and everything else. So he was a great help to me. And then the years went past and then we sort of become like we were on each other's radar a bit. Do you know what I mean? So we weren't as close anymore. We haven't, we haven't spoke for a couple of years because like, you know, I was meant to fight him the first week of what when we went into lockdown in COVID. We were meant to fight. So it got, yeah, because he was back creeping up on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were like, we were creeping up on each other. Oh, he was actually heavier than me. I was moving up a weight to fight him, but I believed in my ability so much that I didn't care about moving up a weight, you know, and things like that. But yeah, we haven't spoke since that. I've used that. I just watched the documentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's only a year old. Is it not? Yeah, and it's over a million views. And Rico Franco will touch on him like great guy through transpiration, from what he's achieved and have a quite an install, keep fighting that. I know you've done, you've done it like him better previously. Yeah, again, it was just, I think like a big thing we're fighting. Look, it's a testosterone field, you know, and, and when someone thinks that they can beat you automatically, that's going to get your back up. So a lot of it with, with Rico and with Jim, you boys, both that look, you know, I respect, I respect both these guys. They, you know, I know what I go through when I fight. So the respect is there. Rico, I've got massive respect for, like I said to you beforehand, like we had a little bit of beef, but I messaged him in the summer after that fight with Jimmy after what he'd come back from, you know, if you can't respect that, there's something wrong with you. You know what I mean? Yeah, unbelievable mind that. So how many feats did you have then for BKB? So I had, I had three for BKB. Wonderworld title. Yeah, and no more feats. And then after that, I, that's when I went to America and, and fought twice in America then done the Ben. How was that transition as well? Was that harder? It was. I mean, I've done it right in the middle of a pandemic. So I couldn't take a trainer with me. I couldn't take anything like that. I was just literally given a phone call. Look, do you want to come and fight? Fennelly Bennett, Charles Fennelly Bennett, who's like a legend in, he was like in the pride days and all that. Like before USC and all that. So yeah, obviously that's who doesn't want to fight in America. That's the dream. Three months before my fight, I actually broke my jaw. I snapped my jaw both sides and lost like six teeth and stuff like that. What happened? I got a sucker punch to buy someone. Um, and yeah, it sort of, it, it left me in tatters. Um, I still can't feel my bottom lip and my bottom teeth. Now I'm completely numb. It severed, severed the nerve in my jaw. Um, and yeah, like I say, that was literally bought three, three and a half months before the fight. And I think I used that to just go, do you know what? I'm going, I'm still going. That's this is, I'm going to use this as my motivation. This is not going to stop me from achieving what I want to achieve. I went out to Dubai quarantine for two weeks in Dubai to then be out and get into America and then I flew to Vegas training Vegas for about six weeks. Got COVID two weeks before the fight. Um, and then it's like the Saturday. So it was the Saturday I'm fighting on the Friday. I got a negative test from the COVID. I flew to Mississippi and I had my first bare knuckle fight in America then on my own there. Is that a lonely journey bro? It seems to have a lot of fucking obstacles in that fight there. It was, it was crazy. It was absolutely mental. Um, just like when I think back to like the fact that I broke my jaw like three and a half months before it, but looking back on the time, that time I used that, I used that to get out there and fight. I was just, nothing was going to stop me. Do you know what I mean? Nothing. And, um, yeah, it was a quite crazy journey to be fair. How did Americans treat you? Um, so in Mississippi, they didn't like me too much. Why? No, um, because I went out there in a multi-coloured Versace dressing gown for the way in and, um, this friendly, friendly Bennett, if people know who know about him, he's very, he's very controversial. He does some controversial stuff and I sort of outshallowed him because I knew what I'd have to do. I mean, he was a character. He does all this stuff. So I went out there. I put a little bit of show on at the way in and everything else. He's a local guy. Um, and then we had the fight and I was, yeah, they booed me for out for, you know, before, afterwards they booed me. Um, but I don't mind that. It's all part of the game in it. So in your second feet, when did you have, because I watched down a few of your news is fuck them, the scumbags because something to do with money. Like, yeah, you can't, not burning bridges, but you can't. I don't want everything's kind of out there for yours as if we are your own worst enemy. Sometimes like, so when you're calling them out, you're trying to crack America, you're going up against the fucking CEOs and telling them, fuck yours. I want my money. This and that. Like what happened there? What was the situation around that? Um, well, yeah, like I said, I fought the fight in Mississippi. Um, I didn't get paid for like six weeks after the fight. Um, just a lot of. Lot of bullshit. Like, and I've had to deal with promoters bullshit for a long time. And, um, I just feel like, look, if you go in, then you're risking your life for that company, they should treat you properly. And I wasn't getting treated properly. And I'm, I'm one of them people of voice. What I think I'm not going to, I'm not going to sit there and just let you take the piss out of me basically. So I did voice it. Um, you know, obviously they didn't like it. The fans didn't like it and everything else. And that looked like that was me. That was the end of it. Um, I come back to England. Um, and then they contacted me and it was like, look, we need to try and fix this. Da, da, da, da. Um, and then the Palomino fight come about. They just said, look, you're not going to be able to take a trainer because of easy issues and everything else. And I just went, look, do you know what? I don't care. And I just went and done the same again. I went out there quarantined in Dominican Republic on mine and then went to Miami and fought in Miami. Who was that? It was amazing. Miami is amazing. Um, I, I then, so it was, I mean, there's a great story to be fair. Like when I was in Dominican, um, I couldn't believe how little in these like Latino American countries, how little English they, they know it was unbelievable. So I was, and it had a three PM curfew as well in Dominican. So I had to be endorsed by three PM. So I had to get all my training done. Um, and just by complete coincidence, I met a guy called Aldo out there who, um, is like a brother to me now. He, he managed to get me to all the gyms and it translated for me and it flew over to Miami with me to make sure I made it there. All right. And things like that. And, um, I'd actually done a podcast while I was out in Dominican with a guy called Tristan, uh, like a fight podcast and I had, I literally had no one to do my corner. So I just messaged him and said, look, mate, do you mind coming to do my corner in Miami and he flew over and just spent spent all my time building up to the fight me all the time afterwards. Um, so yeah, it was, it was amazing. It was amazing how it all happened. It was, it's an amazing thing, but, um, obviously not ideal not going out there with your trainer or anything like that. I was fighting against Louis Palomino who was knocking people out for fun. I had a very big team behind him and everything else. So I knew I was up against it, but I'll be honest. I like never once thought I was going to lose that fight. I never once thought I was going to lose it. You know, with everything up against me. I never once thought I was going to lose it. How'd it go? I lost on points. I lost on points. You know what he so the big thing with BKFC is you're allowed to clinch and first round I've come out because to be honest with you, I don't really know how I would have fought it any differently if I had my time again. Do you know what I mean? Because I just took the fight to him. I thought, look, I'm going to get a decision in Miami. It's his hometown. He's the world champion. I'm going to get the decision. So I took the fight to him. And like I say, you know, the clinching game. I'd never really practised or anything. He got me the clinch first round, tore my eye, got some really bad cuts in that fight. I couldn't see out my eye for like two rounds and then I sort of come back into it to be honest. It was almost like he'd hit me with his best shots and I was still there. And then by like three, four, fifth round, I was really coming into it. I was shouting from the rooftops. I wanted it to be a seven round fight before I went out there because in BKB in this country, we do seven rounds out there. They only do five twos and I do feel like that perhaps would have had a bit of a different impact on the fight if the fight had been a little bit longer. But yeah, ultimately he done me with what he had to do. I was weak at the clinch and he caught me that first round and that made a big difference to the fight. See with your scars and stuff, is that a bigger chance of him getting opened up again on another fight? 100% yeah. The one thing with me now is that I cut every fight. Even as a boxer I used to cut a lot. So you can imagine the amount of scar tissue I've got now from boxing and being a court. So as soon as I get in a fight now. But one thing I will say is that it doesn't overrule me. It doesn't make me like a lot of fighters decide if they're in blood. Scares them? Yeah, but I'm just like that. How many statues have you had? For your whole life? Too many? I had like 15 there. I think I had about 12 there in the last one. Up there I've got a tattoo on a scar. Yeah. You just enjoy it now though? I don't know if I enjoy it. I'm just psychotic but I don't like it from anybody in any combat sport. It's kind of psychotic but bare knuckle, kind of takes it to another level. It's like. I mean to be honest, we've like, so I say this to people, we've bare knuckle like facially, like obviously the injuries are a lot worse but I actually think it's safer for unboxing. Why? Because you're just not taking the shots that you would for a prolonged amount of time. Like you look at all the like the people who have sort of had bleeds on the brain and stuff like that have been from like 10, 12 round fights where they've took a lot of punishment. Whereas bare knuckle is five, two minute rounds and let's face it. You get caught clean, you get knocked out. You're not taking them punches like with gloves. You can take one hard shot and then another one, then another one, then another one. So yeah, I argue with people at the time that bare knuckle is safer than glad boxing. Yeah, well they done a study and they says boxing, UFC was more safer than boxing because it's, you can clench as well, you can grapple. I mean your punch, majority of people are knocked out. It's not a case of getting 500 punches to the head. It's more consistent. So how long ago was that fight? What the Miami one. It's June, June 26th last year. So nearly, coming up nearly a year 10 months. So you come back, your gyms and stuff are shutting down everything you've worked for. How hard does that for putting all your life under pressure and life or death scenarios every other fight and then coming back and it's like everything's been ripped away from you. How hard does that as a fighter to see that? Yeah, you know what, my view and all after that last fight was I've been in so many wars now and I've not really earned anything out of the fighting. I mean I've not really got anything to show for it. Obviously I had this gym, I wanted to put everything into a gym and to achieve that and it just didn't work out for whatever reason. So I'm just going back to the fighting. Fighting is what I want to do. When I said I was 15 years old as a kid, I knew I was going to be a professional fighter. I don't believe that even a normal day job would just not be enough for me. How did you deal with the mental state things? Just dealing with the mental side of things. You have to live a healthy lifestyle, a clean routine lifestyle and I've not always done that but it's always led me back into a clean, living lifestyle routine, back into training, eating healthy. I think you've just got to do it. If you have got mental health issues or problems, you can't keep doing these wrong things of drinking and everything else. It's all about having a clean routine in your life. How do you deal with that? I just get up, I train, I have to train. I have to train or if I don't train, I go for a long walk, I drink plenty of water and just things like that. I think it's having that healthy routine. If you haven't got a routine and you're just laying into 11, 12 and after a stinking hangover and things like that, you're not giving yourself any opportunity to get better. Did you drink a lot back in your day? I did, yeah, I drank. I think the biggest thing for me was drinking and it all sounds stupid but a lot of it was just sex, to be honest. I just used sex was my thing. How much? Every day, twice a day. It sounds great, it does sound great but it's really not. It's unfulfilling, it's quite shameful and embarrassing at times and when you become reliant on that to give when you're feeling like you're on your ass every day and the only way to bring yourself up was to then have sex with someone. It's horrible. I'm sorry at that point in my life now but I have a partner and everything else and it's affecting the way that my life is. That's definitely been the biggest mental thing for me. I try and tell people it's like addiction, like being addicted to alcohol or addicted to drugs, addicted to sex. It's that high. A couple of minutes? Afterwards, you're right down on your ass because you just feel shit about what you've done and everything else. I've got dopamine fiend tattooed across my legs because it's just... I know what I am, I'm very self-aware of what I am. I have narcissistic tendencies tattooed on my head. I'm very self-aware of what I am. I think we've all got narcissistic traits. Chasing dopamine levels. People can do it through workload or drinking coffee, whatever it is. Drinks, drugs, sex. Gambling. I've done it all, man, because the dopamine levels were low and I wanted to feel alive. I wanted to feel high. You're fucking around shagging birds. It's empty sex. You just feel totally drained after it, as if you've been used as well. I got into doing porn and that, for me, was like I could just go and have sex with women and nothing's coming off the back of it. It was just like a simple thing for me to go in and do it and it was without me realising it was really fucking my head up. Just sleeping with these women and it's just nothing to it. It was just like I had to do it to feel like you say, get back up there because I was down here and I just... Instead of grabbing a drink or grabbing cocaine or something like that, it was like, this is the healthiest way to get back up there so I'd do that and going back into normal life now, it's causing me a lot of problems, you know? So who the fuck do you go for in my box are? Ben Nucklefeaton? Tip on? Well, I had him. So my ex-girlfriend was a porn star in the UK. She was like a well-known porn star and I met her at BKB so Television X used to show the Ben Nuckle fights and she was one of the walk-on girls and we just sort of met and things like that and she just introduced me to the world of porn and it just sort of went from there really. What the fuck is your mum thinking? Honestly? Honestly? I don't really know to be fair. Because obviously I've watched your videos when we spoke a few times that you're not that ass you're sensible but again the same as everybody else and I say this every fucking podcast we do all battle it in some degree no matter who you are no matter how successful you are was that just to please your messes? Was it to please yourself? I think it was to please myself to be honest like I say I would be I would just constantly chasing that high do you know what I mean? I see it happening with so many fighting particularly fighters now a lot of my friends like through fighting you know they depend on alcohol drugs, sex and we're all every time I speak to him and it's like we're all getting into our thirties now where perhaps we're coming to realisation that our career is not going to be going on that much longer do you know what I mean? and yeah we're all we're all searching for something we're all searching for something I don't know if it's just because we're used to you know if it's just because we're used to always fighting and having that higher fighting and now you know we can see that we're probably coming towards the end of it and you know I've got some friends of us in some real pickles with like alcohol and drugs and things like that but you know a few years ago they were these big fighters and yeah it's quite a scary thought to be honest I think like you know with professional football you've got like the PFA so once you retire from football if there are mental health conditions and things like that the PFA help you but when you retire from boxing you're just that's you, you're done you just go off and you've sort of just got to fix yourself really do you know what I mean? and you know you look at Ricky Hattern they just pick up drink, drugs you know you've gone from being an absolute star where everyone knows who you are, everyone loves you everyone's travelling to Vegas to watch you fight and then boom all of a sudden you're like a normal person again and I think that's something that I particularly struggle with when I come back from Miami I sort of called it before I went to Miami because everyone's like you're mental how are you going out there to fight on your own and everything else I said look I'm more worried about when I get home when I come back to my reality and then when I come back home I hit rock bottom I was drinking and I just went into a bit of a mess to be honest because it's not got the natural high of I suppose you know whatever goes up has to come back down and it's a very it's a thin line but again it's a lot of majority of people the majority of people go down the negative to try and pick themselves back up no realising you've got two states you're coming down on extra 10 the next day and that's a hard part how was that as well going out with a porn star did that affect you mentally and secure, jealous to be honest at the start I was like I will not be with a porn star because as you can imagine I was just getting like as a fighter as well I was getting all my trolls and that were sending me videos of her porn and all that do you know what I mean so yeah at the start that was very hard but then like six months, seven months down the line I don't know what it was I just sort of clicked and I was alright with it but it definitely desensitises your mind to sex because I've been around studios and stuff like that and seen how fake porn is it's so fake like even now like watching porn I can't really watch it because it's just it's so fake so yeah that definitely that definitely played with my mind a little bit but um and I just sort of I think more than anything I sort of self-taught myself, self-soothed myself by just having sex do you know what I mean there were days where I'd be having sex with like three girls or something which again like ah it sounds great but it's so needless and you check I'm not sure what I'm chasing do you know what I mean it's like sometimes I slip with three girls I'm like why even I don't know why it's just needless do you know what I mean and it sounds great but really it's not it's pretty unfulfilling do you know what I mean make sure you're lonely so see me again through that then and what do you think about when you made porn yourself does that still play a effect on your mind but you're not giving a fuck I won't give a fuck I probably won't give a fuck about anything really to be fair like it was just one of things like yeah I just didn't give a fuck really why do you think you're starting to question a lot more now because you know you've only got a few feats left because you're getting older you want more out of life I just think it like yeah I see a lot of other fighters and I see how their lives are going they're a little bit older with me and their lives are turmoil do you know what I mean and I'm like I don't want that for myself I've thought about it many times so I'm going through a real ongoing battle I've got two kids and I've not seen my daughter for three years I was there for the first two and a half years of her life and I've got an injunction against me and it's just been messy courts all that kind of stuff I actually got 120 hours community service for posting a picture of me and my daughter I was just put it on facebook saying I want another picture of my daughter I've not seen her for a year I want to see how much she's grown up and I got arrested for it and I've got 120 hours community service so it's like I don't know it's what can you do when when the law and the government or whatever like that are treating you like that who else you don't really feel like you can depend on anyone you know what I mean I don't want to know so for the first two and a half years I was there every day for my daughter my son we broke up as we were we broke up and she was pregnant so I've only ever seen one picture of my son but yeah it's just been going through the whole court system thing and just it's really really been tough really tough how does that hot you know but then again looking at you being in porn and fucking doing this and it's not a good image either so you've got to take responsibility for the position you're in I mean that wasn't it's not a bad thing I've got porn star friends some of them love the industry some of them absolutely despise it because of the fucking skull dugrate that goes with it but it seeks to her own as long as you're not harming anyone but for a mother who's got kids who's maybe trying to raise them right it's the same as the porn stars as well some of them are scared to have kids because they know how it will affect them in 5 years 10 years do you take responsibility for that I do like yeah I think I'm going to obviously have this conversation one day with my daughter and I'm just going to say look I have made I have made mistakes so before as the whole thing was going on where I didn't see my kids I hadn't done any of the porn or anything like I started like a year or so ago and to be honest like I say looking back in hindsight now perhaps I was I was just chasing that high again I think I was I was just so down I was just chasing a constant high I think and it's just it definitely caused me problems in my life now yeah you know you do these things and you just have to live live with the consequences but I would definitely you know when my daughter comes to me when she's older I'll explain it and you know I'm not scared to explain it yeah I can definitely see how it would make things yeah worse for yourself yeah but the past is a past we live really on the go you're still only 30 but I was 30 mate I was still sniffing gear off a hooker's asses that's no love of a lie that's just the way it was I was still partying only seven years ago people change people can make sacrifices to learn and grow and go wait a minute I ain't fucking right at the time for you it just felt right as a bare-knuckle fighter it's kind of a bad boy image to do what the fuck you want like I say like now I can I can see how it's made it's made my life more difficult like mentally and everything so you know I say you just live by these choices you have to live by them don't you that's all you can do in this plan for the future have you ever been diagnosed with anything mentally so I've been depression so I've been on medication for about four or five years but it's not like it's progressively got worse in the last two years like it's got really really hard to the point where like even this morning I'm waking up and I'm in tears and that like it's hard man it's hard yeah I hope that I can just get through this and I can just get through it really you just trapped in your mind and I mean I'll be like I'm going through a lot of hard things at the minute obviously the gyms closing and everything else but yeah it's I don't know I don't really know how to explain it I just I wait and I wake up and I just feel very very down and my only way to pull myself out of that is sex or fighting and I need to learn other ways to do that because you don't really want those two options for that because you can't be shagging and feinting your whole life I know saying it back how ridiculous it sounds but it's like you don't understand how many people actually feel the exact same the way you are, people see you as a fighting man being in porn, fucking films and think wow that's great not realising it's all backwards because it's fucked up, you're craving that dopamine rise from mad mad shit like crazy stuff fighting you know what it's an art, it's a sport, it's a craft but the other thing you're trying to get externally which is obviously making you worse but you're at an age now in a stage where you're thinking something needs to change but you're a fighting man, you're not going to give up and that's two years of personal life and all this stuff that's a lot of punches to the head must affect your nut I just like I say the last six months of my life have really been the hardest I really wouldn't want to go any love and have been in the last six months and it's just affected the relationships outside of what I do trying to hold down a relationship I've got a girlfriend now and stuff like that and with friends and everything else I sort of just feel almost like I'm very different to everyone else you know and this trying to explain that and get my explain that to other people when they haven't lived the life that I've lived I'm finding difficult but you'll get there man, you'll grow from that you'll push on like you're speaking out about it now this is a release these are therapy sessions where you'll think it's not that bad people will message you and think I feel the exact same it takes a while for people to understand the thing about yourself, you are understanding it okay I'm not happy doing this anymore it's because it just becomes a big plaster over the winds where it's fake plaster love is always going to be there love is just covered with the fucking trauma and the pain we've dealt with in life that's all it is you've got so many great years ahead of you the best years of your life are ahead of you it's all down to you, how much you want it do you know what I mean you've fought the fucking biggest and baddest people on this planet but now you need to fight internally how much you want life, how much you can enjoy it like a great life you don't need to listen there's more to life after fighting there's more to life than just fucking a bird there genuinely is people might think that's cheesy shit but it's true it's so true and I can say it I can see it but at the time you can't see it it's like I can't even really explain my emotions myself which is probably the worst thing because you feel very trapped and I feel embarrassed about it how do I go out to any of my mates and go look I've got a problem with sex they'll go what? I'm having sex with girls and they're just laughing because it seems like a laughable thing to laugh up but it's not it's more serious than that and it feels embarrassing I'll go to my mum and I've had this chat with my mum imagine sitting down with your mum and being like look I've got a problem with sex I've got a real problem with sex I get up every day I feel anxious and down and I know the only way that I'm going to feel alright is if I go and have sex sex I think for people watching as well sex is a sexual energy exchange so if the girl you fuck you're taking absorbing their data, their energies and the people who slept with them so you're connecting to something so if it's constantly empty, constantly no emotion, no connection because everything should be connection everything's energies, everything should be love so if you're fucking birds non stop you're taking in their fuck process as well which is fucking nuts that people can go go to shit so if you're fucking a bird then fucking another one it's like fucking plugging your like software in and downloading that and that's how sometimes you can be emotional in your head fuck because if you're partner sometimes you know they're down because you're so connected, you're feeling their pain you're feeling their stress it's so mad the way the world works but like I say mate you're still fucking young man like you can only learn and grow from it especially speaking out about it do you ever go and speak to anybody about it I was going to therapy for about about a year or so before covid and then I just stopped for out covid I really felt like it was doing something I like to just get a lot off my chest you know what I mean you'd walk out there and be like wow that I felt like that's really done something and then like I say I've just sort of got lost in the whole in the last two years just got lost in my own stuff really like I went out to went out to Vegas I lived there for like three months just got done a little bit of training just got lost in in Vegas really the women and everything else come back and then I was off out to America again so I was just running I was running away from my problems not running towards anything good and then when I come back from Miami this last time I just like I say I just hit rock bottom because it was like right okay I've got a fess up to my reality now I've got a you know that's what I say the last six months have been the hardest six months because I've not had nowhere to run to I can't just go alright I'm fighting here so that's a sign that you must stand and fight then you don't heal your problems we're running away you don't heal your problems we're going to Vegas and shagging birds and fucking do you know what I mean that because the grass isn't always green on the other side so you telling me that there's nowhere to run tells me that it's time to then stand and face that dimensia go back to the therapist the therapist is clear that since you stopped going there you've not able to express yourself and it's just bottled up and bottled up and bottled up and that's where the tears coming in on them because you've guarded it all as much as you love your partner you've still not expressed enough to how you really truly feel because we're men we feel embarrassed we feel ashamed that for me personally speaking to you let them know how you're feeling release it all man because when you were doing that when you stopped it's just bottled up again because everything I've done through the years I've never went to a therapist I struggle with trust so for me it's to fucking truly healing and express everything instead of bottling it up I think because I write on a piece of paper and then burn it I'm dealing with it but there's some rooted shit there that I need to deal with I've done all the correct things and cut out a lot of negatives in my life but there's still a lot of shit that I need to work on it's life we're human we continue to make mistakes we'll continue to fuck up but we'll continue to grow as individuals to become better if you want to so where do you go from here then brother? so now obviously like I said the gym you know I've closed my gym here in my hometown in Ely, Canberra and off the back of the last fight against Lewis Palomino he's management he's sponsors they've all reached out to me and handed me this three year work they're an opportunity of a lifetime to go out there and train with Palomino and just live the dream in Miami but I lived the dream properly I'm not going to get lost in all that now I just want to get out there, get my head down get training and just prove what I can really be and make yourself a star yeah exactly three year planning, go smash it for anybody that's watching brother that's maybe struggling with mental health what advice would you have for them? for me it's just like I say that clean routine in your life getting up early in the morning going for a walk just getting outside drinking plenty of water just clean stuff like I've done all the drinking and stuff like that and even just eating healthy it's like putting you can't put rubbish petrol into a bag into a good car that's the one thing I've learnt and just not running away from your problems which I have done I've put my hand on my heart and said I've run away from my problems for about two, three years now and I probably am waking up in tears and stuff like that because I'm trying to hit it face on or head on now but definitely the clean living routine training without training I really it'd be horrible to think where I'd be right now without training even when my shoulder was bad I was still going out and making myself train that because I just knew that's what keeps my head saying at the end of the day if you know that drinking isn't going to help don't go out and drink I've completely cut out drink now all I drink is water I'll go for a walk like a five mile walk and I'll just drink water and loads of water down me I just want my body to be healthy and my mind to be healthy so what old champion are we talking within the next three years in the next year all day all day I'll be out there like I say I fought the world champion in my last fight he's going up a weight shake bag me that's because it doesn't want to see you bro so hopefully that's just going to leave things open for me to then go in and get that belt and it'll just be look it'll be a good story I've been through this in the last two or three years and to come out on top at the end of it all would just be great the cherry on the top you'll get that brother would you like to finish up on anything I just want to say thank you very much I've got a sponsor from Ely Cymru Daniel Lawrence Plumbing and Heating that guy is stuck by me through Ffick and Finn he really has and a lot of boxers will know that getting a reliable trustworthy sponsor is the hardest thing in the world because he's really bent over backwards to help me florida yachts international as well who obviously are going to bring me out to Miami and give me this big opportunity to live out there so yeah just blessed really and I just got really good I have got good people around me and that's what I've got to concentrate on the good people what about your social media platforms for anybody that wants to reach out may be sponsored you so my Instagram is El Tornado Tyler1 yeah that's pretty much all we've been using because I'm a bit mental and I don't like to talk to too many people I like to just be in my thing but yeah El Tornado Tyler1 you can see all my training and the progress that I'm going to be making going out to Miami but yeah I'm not on any of the TikTok or that kind of stuff Tyler listen we're coming on into your story I've thoroughly enjoyed that look forward to seeing you winning a world title and I'll be supporting you in the backgrounds brother God bless you