 Is this same thing happened in some countries? We could be having a national lonely day or something. That is true. You saw when Koreshia, it took position 2 in the World Cup, do you know how much it was received, even that it did not come to the top? But you remember what even during Olympics Musevene did to the gold medalist? Ya. And you know it's Kenya which was number one in Africa. Yes. Actually our sportsmen came without getting even, getting noticed. I think that's quite discouraging. If you are watching and you are concerned, if you are watching and you are somebody in the sports ministry, please do something. I think we are not encouraging, we are not motivating our sports people enough as we should do. There should be red flags somewhere, there should be a splash but I know they went to the state house and some few rewards. But I don't know why we are not feeling them as Kenyans. Do we blame the media or do we blame the ministry or do we blame… We are not giving these people enough motivation as they deserve. It could be a different story if this was maybe a European country or a country that really values sports. It's quite unfortunate in Kenya politics takes the largest percentage of discussion because if you go even to Mutani people don't discuss athletics, they discuss politics. They discuss politics. So again that one tells us how much we misplaced our priorities. We should be able to talk about what is bringing the country glory. And since athletics is one of them, we should be able to give them prominence. Yes. Quite unfortunate. That's the reason why I told you that it has been reported as just by the way. Yeah, just by the way. And maybe they could have even gone without being nuts. I don't know how many Kenyans started to watch the youngsters participate in the field. Yeah, they were not worth it. Whatchacha swana? It's true. Malimu, let's get to what Kenyan love and that is politics. Let's do a bit of youth and politics before we call it a day for now. There's a story here that says that the DP is saying that politicians should unite to get the country back to track politically. It's like there's a problem. Do you feel that the country is not in its track politically? Okay. Is he calling other people to come inside? Yeah, he's calling people to come. It's a story. I didn't want to refer to it directly because it's like we are through in the paper review, but on page 6, Ruto adjusts leaders to help get back the country back to track. Page 6. So, Deputy President Ruto assigned leaders from across the political divide to work together to get the country back to its growth track. He has said that judiciary ruling halting the BBI has given the country a golden chance to re-evaluate Kenya's development priorities. Now let us agree to embark on the plans that we had, like the Big Four agenda has been stalled by the BBI. He spoke during the church service, blah, blah, blah. But now you can see he's calling people to get the country back to its track. Do you agree first in the first place that the country is not in its track because getting it back means it's not in its track? Of course, in terms of economics, because again it's not the politics that is making us lose the economic track. We can say that it probably is because of the pandemic, because it's really affected not only in Kenya. But it's referring to the fall of BBI, now that BBI has fallen. It's not the reason why Kenyans are noted together. At whichever time when we were headed to elections, Kenyans would be divided. Let's be very sincere with ourselves. So, I do not know exactly what the BBI was. It's just playing PR because the truth is at any given time when we were headed to politics, look at even Uganda. That one will always be there, even in U.S. But we see now the difference is this. It's saying the leaders needed to come together. What is, because he's having one of the biggest offices in the country, the second position. Has he tried to reach, has he humbled himself to go and meet the other people? He's only telling them, come to my side. So, the first thing that we should be able to see from the dip, then he should be led by an example. He should be able to hamper himself, probably go and reach to his competitors. And tell them, this is not time for competition. We are supposed to take the country back. If we can be able to see that one from him, then he could have done something which probably nobody has done. But you see, he's talking from his office. And then he's using that office and telling them, it's either you come to me. Or you leave me. Or you perish or something like that. If he's very sincere with the sentiment that he's making, then let us see him even going to the resident of Rairodinga, Kalonsom Sioka. Saying that the country is bigger than an individual. And since probably you guys think that by coming to my side, it's feeling humiliated, then let me humble myself. Come to where you are. I'm speaking of coming to his side. He's saying that he's not going to allow tribal parties join him. Like he's not accepting collisions. Just a tribal party. Yeah, but he's calling all other parties tribal. I think it's only Uda. Which is not a tribal party. Which is not a tribal party. And that is what's bringing friction between him now with the three prominent people. Aizakrut is saying he's not folding his... Is it called... Chama Chama Shina. Chama Chama Shina ni party to join Uda. There's also Chama Chakazi of Moses Kurya. Moses Kurya is from Kiambo. And there is the service party of Mangi Kwanjuri. These people have been allies of the deputy president. So the deputy president has laid it in black and white that if you want to work with him, then you fold your party and join him. And these people are saying, no, we are not folding our party. We are. You cannot give us conditions for joining you. It's you who need us more than we need you. Do you think this is going to affect his performance? Okay. I do not know the criteria uses to call a party a tribal party. Because he's only saying that it's Uda, which is a national party. That's what he's saying. But this Uda has just one MP. One MP. Yeah, so I don't know what makes it a national party. How about Odiyem that swept all the cities in Kilefi? Is it a tribal party from Kilefi? For him, it's a tribal party. So if Odiyem wants a coalition with Uda, then Uda has to, Odiyem has to fold. Because Odiyem is a tribal party. Like all other, most parties according to him are tribal parties. In fact, they said even Jubili is now a tribal party, the allies of the deputy president. Jubili is now a tribal party in quotes. Now if Jubili wants to join, there will be no coalition between Uda and any other party. If you want to go the deputy president way, you have to fold your party and join them. This is where I want your opinion on. Now I'm almost thinking like this. Let's be very sincere. The deputy should be the last person to be using the word tribe. Yeah, he should be the last person. He should be selling the agenda of nationalism. But you see, anytime when a party is formed, you say it's a tribal party. Was your idea a tribal party? That's where I started from. Was it a tribal party? That's the question you need to ask himself. Let's learn to treat each and every person who is playing the national politics as a nationalist. If all of us need to get to the same platform, when you brand me a tribal party or you brand Waipa tribal party, then you are actually telling the leader of Waipa that you are coming in not as a national leader, you are coming in as a tribal leader. Mark Hu, oneribu Kalonsom Sioka, has been the vice president of the country. Musalim Mdabir has been the vice president of this country, which is not different from what the deputy is holding. Probably the difference is the duration that the deputy has held in the office, which is longer than the duration that the Kalonsom Sioka held there, the office and the Musalim Mdabir. But that one is not reason enough. Okay, let's get to this BBI thing. You know what the BBI proposes, more money to machinani, some positions at the executive, some other positions, and some regions were added constituencies. In fact, the place that got the lion share is central in Mount Kenya, and it was based on the one vote, one shilling, one word. So they are going to miss this out. In fact, there was a list of 27 constituencies that risk being scrapped because BBI has failed and all that. There is a perception which can be backed by evidence that the DP has a grip in Mount Kenya. And now it's appearing, so many videos recorded by some youth from Mount Kenya that the fact that DP is celebrating the fall of BBI, it means it doesn't mean good for the central Kenya. What's your take on this? Do you think this has an implication on a support base to the Mount? Which system are you using to say that DP has the basket of Mount Kenya? No, that has been the perception. The fact that they won Kiyamba, they also won somewhere in Georgia, they also won Georgia, and there are also big chunk of politicians from the Mount, the likes of Moses, Gene or Alice O'Homme, Dindi Nyoro, so many politicians coming from the Mount that backing. So that would, how can I forget even the former chief whip, it's called the Muranga senator, many of them, the latest entrant I think is the Kumbu women, they are for him and their position or their claim is that he has the grip on Mount Kenya. So do you think this is going to affect it? The fact that some people view that he is not supporting the Mount Kenya agenda. Let me take you back to 2013. Odium got two seats from Mount Kenya. Okay. Did it mean that that was the stronghold of Odium? No. Politics is very dynamic. And then you realize that at some given point people do not vote for development, people will vote for their interest, interest of the moment. So the deep probably there is that kind of euphoria that is in the central, that again, since he has not been on the barot for us to be able to see how many votes he can bag from Mount Kenya, then we cannot be able, we can only run that one, it's just an assumption that he has a support base there. But we can be able to use facts because he has been on the barot and we know the number of votes he has been able to mask from Mount Kenya. For the deputy president, probably 2022 will confirm what we are seeing. You know sometimes you can promise a lady a very beautiful wedding, but you know the marriage starts after the wedding. Now that's when you can be able to say you were able to confirm all the things that you've been promising. And this time probably the people who are following the DP because haven't seen a clear agenda for the DP from Mount Kenya. The other time, okay, they've been talking about the bottom up approach personally I do not know what he means by that because one of the lawyers from his camp was told to explain to Kenyans what is the bottom up approach. She said it's working bottom downwards. Now that one makes us to start asking if the person who is supposed to sell the agenda does not understand what she is selling to Kenyans then why should I be able to follow someone who does not even understand? Because worldwide we do not have anything called the bottom up approach. We have got two kind of economies. We have got state controlled economy and then we have liberal economy. Those are the ones which are working even for the countries that have prospered. Maybe he has invented a new one now called bottom up, now there are three. And he is going to test using the Kenyan people. Okay, we can go that direction or not. But do you think the fall of BBI is a political boost to him? Do you think he is now managers now that the BBI has fallen because you've seen him celebrate? No, the good thing is that we have got history where we can be able to refer everything. In 2005 there was a competition between my kibaki and Rairo Dinga. Rairo Dinga carried the day. Oh, what do you mean? Yes, they no carried the day in 2005. Okay, I remember that. Rairo Dinga celebrated. Did that kind of celebration got reflected at the barot? No. For when the general election? Was it reflected? It was... My kibaki carried the day. But there were claims of rigging and all that which brought chaos and that's how Rairo Dinga became the prime minister. You see, quite unfortunate we can be able to say that. But what we say is the truth. The only person who was demanded of declaring the president-elect in Kenya is the chairman of IBC. At that time we had the ECK, Electro Commission of Kenya which was headed by Kivuito. So Kivuito declared my kibaki the president-elect. So it will definitely mean that Rairo Dinga lost. All of these other claims will always be there. That situation will always play in 2022. We wanted to see how the deputy president will react if at all he will lose. Now, when you look at the BBR it's not a test of the poll at the general elections. Actually, even the bi-elections will not be the test of the general elections. I don't think that we should separate from maybe that referendum of 2005 and this. That was a referendum for the whole country. But this is a code decision. This is a code decision of very few people. It's just the interpretation of the law. So it has nothing to do with the numbers. Yeah, it has nothing. So then what is he celebrating? Which number is making him celebrate? There's a perception that he didn't want this BBR thing. Now he has a backing of the law that he was right, that he was legally right. So he's in the right track. You know, you forget one thing. The law will cut forward and backwards. Probably at this time it worked in his favor. There will be a time when things might not work in his favor. Look at 2017 when the same code ruled against the the declaration of Uhuru Kenyatta as the president elect of this country. What was the statement of William Ruto? He said, Maragha, you had your day. Our day will also come. What did that one mean? It means that since things did not go in this way now he was able to attack the judiciary. Now that things are going against now that the things probably have gone towards this direction now we can be able to praise. You know, this double speak is almost never a politician. We could be able to just come out and say the court has made a ruling. Let's abide by it. And just end the element of whether you accept the ruling or not because at the end of the day it's not everything that will be ruled in your favor. You know, sometimes even a common person who takes a case to court sometimes they don't lose it because they did not or something did the act was not done to them it's because they lack the facts to present the court. In the court we do not have about what you know. It's about what you can improve. If at all the court was proven beyond reason but doubted that the law was not forward in crafting the BBI and the process so far then it's a high time we also need to go back and say that we are learning because if they started a process in the wrong way then next time even as a private citizen I can be able to start that process. Okay let's come back to this side of the political divide the Rai Laodinga axis because it's very clear that we have a two horse race the third horse is coming the Okawa but now clearly even there an opinion Paula think it's in the newspaper that is placing the deputy president to be ahead but cannot gana 50 plus 1 percent and all that and now it's like former prime minister Rai Laodinga acted like he really needed this BBI to win. Do you think it's the case? No I don't think because okay first of all the opinion is since time I started understanding politics we always had a two horse race in Kenya you go to Uganda we had a two horse race in fact you go to US we had a two horse race so the third force rare images from it's just maybe a spoiler or a king maker king maker so in Kenya the truth is we have a two horse race that one will be the deputy probably against the Rai Laodinga but the opinion Paula in Kenya has never reflected the truth at the ballot you mean? show me which one reflected the truth at the ballot from coming up from 2013 all the pollsters were putting right on a Rai Laodinga ahead of everyone else but at the ballot things were different there have been claims of rigging do you think this is the case? I asked you this before but now opinion polls differ now that opinion polls differ with the reality on the ground then there are claims of rigging then there are claims of you can remember in 2017 even the court upheld the claims by the opposition that there was rigging and all that so do you think these disparities because of the rigging the system you remember even the server they refused even to open the server up to even now the server has not been opened despite the court order that the server be open but again you see that this is just an opinion and politics politics is bound to change politics is bound to change politics is bound to change politics is bound to change you can start very well you get to the level you fail to sustain this terminal of the agenda you were selling probably someone will come and counter it with something else come think we thought this was the best politics is dynamic so for the DP to be given the lead at the moment is very normal again that's the reason why I said if you look at from 2007 2013 2017 all along Raito Honair Burairodinga has been leading in the polls but when we get to the barot back to my question which you seem to be evading I'm not evading that Raiila need BBI to win election this one has nothing to do with the general elections it's only us who are attaching it to the general elections because let me ask you if what could have triggered probably the Mount Kenya to vote for Raiila Odinga was it the constituencies that were being added in the and in fact it was there was protest back in Nyanza they were given almost no constituencies they were added almost no constituencies so again that one tells us to go back to the reality that will not be the reason why the people who were up to go and vote because you realize that people will go and vote for their interest of that moment not because somebody brought anything if at all we are supposed to look at it from that direction then we will ask ourselves running up to 2013 what projects did Honair Burairodinga Uru Kenyata did that made him to become a president how many times did we see him going for churchy donations and fundraising they were very minimal actually they were almost none now if he was able to be elected at that time without all that then even this one will not be the reason people will look at their interest at that moment what would drive them to go and vote we finished this as we are running up we have about one year just about one year to the next general election they say one day in politics is a lot of time so things are likely to really change going forward I want your prediction I can see you are politically very wise your prediction of what you think we may become say februari next year with the ongoing realignments the closed door meetings the attacks and counter attacks what do you think is set up to change in near future say january or februari 2022 probably by january we will be having because so far we have the principles of nasa already existing so nasa does not exist now we will have a new realignment probably we will not be having okha we will not be having okha we will have a different name again so by februari things could have taken shape we will be knowing who will be go against who then like we say it will be a two horse race there will be flagwaga the horses to the wedding because that would be normal in Kenya now from there we will start seeing who will be in whose camp but again it might be that by februari people could not have aligned themselves the right way by the time like six months of elections or like five some people will still be janbin ship so by that is the time now we will be able to say so and so will be in so and so will be in so and so a lot is said to change judging by history you are aware that PNU that took in 2007 was formed about six months to election the same to TNA that took in 2030 2013 so now we have about one year so you are aware that we may see we may not even have udan in the first place we may have a totally different thing we may have a different thing because you know very many things change probably at the moment nobody has poked holes on the initials but if you read the social media some people are already branding into Uganda development agency because of the link because of the link they are doing 7 ADP link so things might change maybe probably the party which we are likely to see at the ballot again probably it's ODIM these other ones we are not very sure they might change why are you sure that the ODIM will be there it has to the test of time if they may perform other lines so that it won't be there I said which we are likely to think that it will be there because it has stood the test of time it has been there since 2002 2005 it has stood the test of time but UDA again we do not know remember before the UDA came to be there was another party which had just come up it had some offices somewhere in Apahil then it disappeared I don't know whether you remember there is a party which was associated it was Jubilee I remember Jubilee but we know parties in Kenya are like not parties not people if Raila now today will defect to Jubilee Jubilee will be one of the most famous parties that is the reason why I said we had Jubilee which was shaking the country at that time finally we can't go without speaking about the realignment of Mount Kenya the parties are coming together they are saying they are bringing their people together so that they have a beginning power we've read everywhere that they were seen to be majority of them in UDA or in other parties but now they are regrouping you saw the likes of Mata Karua, Moses Kuriya that Mwangikiwin Jubilee and all those people coming together that they want to begin who do you think is set to lose from this if it releases the light of the day it's so definite you know now it's now just a swing boat because there's nobody nobody has come out strongly that is vying from that I don't think somebody can come out to vying then it's just left people have vied from those areas who have not made it but they have also said they are producing a presidential candidate you've not heard them saying that they say they are producing so far in the moment I've been able to have a discussion with our friends from the mountain when you get somebody from Kiyambu Muranga Nyeri and the other ones even the common people you start realizing that there is that kind of disconnect there are those who are saying they are deputy president there are those who are saying stereo is excellent kinyata is the kingpin where we indicate that's where we record there are those who feel like we are the conservatives those who just don't change we are just watching everything so if that is the voice that is coming from that it will definitely mean that Mount Kenya does not belong to anyone at the moment and there are also those who want one of their own so that one says means that Mount Kenya will be a swing vote for anyone but if we want to look at it and say who's going to lose then we have to go back during the kibaki time Mount Kenya was intact and it voted overwhelming for kibaki during Uhuru's time it voted overwhelming as a bloc for his excellence this time we are seeing it scattered then it means somebody will lose that bloc that will be the deputy president we will lose that is the truth because we are looking at where we have come from the way they voted now we are also looking at where we headed to during these two elections that is 2013 and 2017 plus the ones of kibaki Mount Kenya voted as a bloc for one individual when we headed to 2022 Mount Kenya seems to be even going back to the drawing board how come you've been found barefooted now if that bloc will not go the same way is the way it was in 2013 the way it was in 2017 if it not go that way then the deputy president will lose a lot remember this this bloc has not been voted for Raeru Dinga and if this bloc is not going the same way it is to the deputy president and then you get that right hon. Raeru Dinga is going to get a percentage let's talk about 30% from the mountain then it will be plus for him it will be a negative for the deputy president so the deputy president must he has no option must work extra hard not to get the 89% to get 100 plus 1% for that mountain to remain so much intact any negative from the mountain will affect him but again that's when we are looking at the mountain alone then we also need to look at the other sides the bloc that voted is right hon. Raeru Dinga it must also remain intact do you think it is still intact as we speak now the coast the Nyanza the western what are we seeing that has not happened before I have never seen maybe the shifts at the coast them forming their party they can be like what the mountain people are doing because they are also forming their own party maybe they can front their own candidate and all that no, fronting their own candidate could be a different thing but remember when we look back from 2007 Najib Balala was in the Pentagon coming into 2013 he had his own party actually he didn't make it as a senator the position which he had gone for so for Balala to have had a part of his own it was in consequential to the odium which carried it's the same thing we are seeing the government of Kilifi doing we've talked so much about other asmolimu now let's talk how you've told us that you are vying as we conclude which constituency are you vying or which county no, I'm vying as a name pyo so let's see how we may see you at the parliament legislated not we may and don't see the reason why you are talking on behalf of the people of Kitutu Masawa because they are the people who will decide so you are very sure, tell them something as we conclude, tell them something that is your camera so that I want to tell the people of Kitutu Masawa this number one we've had the all season politician going for the same seat all the time but this time we have what we call the paradigm shift we have new faces let's not continue buying what we have been told all over the time let's take the new policies let's hear what new does the person coming on board has to say because if you are going to play the same politics, the same way we played all the time then we are going to lose it because at the end of the day we know we have been given we have always been given money for us to vote but come to think of it if we only eat that money for one day then we will lose it this time around we have an agenda when we come into the ground before you tell us to give you money ask us what is seated you are going to do for us we live with company metasha company metasha should pay for this before you leave this room but you've been very instrumental in saying they are helping talking about the current affairs and you've been very useful you are brain politically I see you can make it I call him Mualimu is Jofri on song, I call him Mualimu because he was a teacher to one of us here Stella or Muenga so this has been youth and politics we started with the newspaper review and I started youth and politics and I'm coming back with two panelists to discuss the social topic of today is that is marriage phobia kusema kwa nini watu that is what we are going to discuss immediately after this, keep it here