 RCR with Paul Brennan. Reality Check Radio. Friday morning at RCR is our political panel morning. Joining me, Marty Gibson. Hey, Marty. Good morning, how are you doing? Good cams later, the crunch. Good morning, how are you? I'm good, thanks, and Olivia Pearson. Good morning, Paul. Nice to be here again. Notice I was kind of more gentle with your name. Yes, you were because I'm such a lovely female. I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be too toxic. Oh, no, we don't mind a bit of toxic masculinity, so long as it's the right kind. In the morning. All right, we're here to talk about some of the political shenanigans goings on, issues, whatever you want to say. Let's get straight into it. And what's all this about 16-year-old voters in local body elections? That's a new one on me, came out of the blue. On Wednesday night, Karen McEnulty pushed through or introduced a new bill under urgency. They considered, this is the new bill, it's called the Electoral Lowering Voting Age for Local Elections and Polls Legislation Bill. Who comes up with those names? I'm so asleep. Some genius. Locked into that little bill is a new category of electors, youth electors. And it provides a separate role for them, a new youth electoral role, to vote in council elections, and it provides for 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds to be registered on that role so that they can vote in local body elections. So why a separate role? Well, I don't know why, there's no explanation. There's no press release from the government. Normally when they're heralding new bills that are gonna do amazing things, they normally put out all these press releases, they seed it with the media, they do a big rah-rah, have their social media, but this has been kept very quiet. There's no reports of this anywhere in any of the media that are out there, except us of course. And if you're listening to my show yesterday afternoon, I did a mad rant about this. It big is belief that we're letting a generation or an age group of people that are worried about the planet boiling in a few years and at the same time can't work out whether they're a boy or a girl, and we're gonna let them vote in local council elections. It's just insanity. It's crazy. Well, 16-year-olds aren't gonna go out and vote in local body elections. So is this the thin end of a wedge? I mean, you can chuck into that one. Yeah, the only reason that they're going to... Jacinda Ardern always made promises about bringing down the voting age, didn't she? I remember that being one of her policies or things she was campaigning for back in 2021 around that time. And I mean, this is how they're doing it a little bit by stealth, is that they get them voting at the local body level and then in a couple of years time or next time that they're in government, hopefully they'll be out for a very long time, but they'll do a big campaign to make it an election lowering of the age for voting for the general election. And they'll say, they've already voted at the local body level, so why not let them go this far? It's very cynical because, you know, Labour and Greens have always been behind this idea of lowering the voting age, and that's because they want young people indoctrinated in climate alarmism to vote. It's that simple. I'd go back, I'd go upstream even from the Olivia and say that the part of the plan that goes before that is ensuring that we've got an education system that leaves over 50% of kids going through it functionally illiterate and enumerate. You know, that's an important piece of that too. Yeah, they want more clueless young people to vote. Yeah, so not only, you know, they can't read, but they certainly can't read and understand or the step above that read, understand and form a cogent argument against something. No, they certainly can't argue, but I mean, apart from that, apart from that, they don't pay tax, they haven't got jobs, they're brainwashed. You know, I mean, they don't know anything about politics other than all the woke-ified indoctrination they pick up in school. I do actually think that there's something very cynical about the whole of the great resets policies which all happen at a local body level. And I think this is another example, like 15-minute city, you know, they're bringing things in at the local level. If you see, sorry, if you see something like this come in, you can normally go back to the WF website and find its counterpart there. Yeah. I haven't tried with this, but certainly with the gender pay gap, that's right there. It's, there's always a counterpart. As I said, these guys are a screen and a keyboard. Hitler Youth. Remember, Hitler Youth? Well, not remember, but that was a useful tool, right? Yeah. Funny, my daughter and I were talking about this the other day, how corrupt totalitarian governments, authoritarian-style governments always want the youth, don't they? They do terrible things. Yeah, there's that creepy tendency to talk about how they're looking forward to these baby boomers dying off. You know, and you often hear people on the left saying that you'll be gone soon. And there's that smug, and we've got the kids. Oh, that's awful. I haven't said that. Mm, yep. How about a thank you for building such a secure platform to have such a great life? Well, the thing is, is they... They're not taught gratitude at school, Paul. No. They're not taught anything at school. The problem is, though, is that you're talking about, you know, the boomer generation being exterminated. Well, hello. What's happening now? There's not a big difference between, oh, I can't wait for these people to die, and I can't wait for these people to die. I've got to build some camps. Mm. But, you know, I think this is just an outrage on behalf of the government. They're sneaking something through under urgency, just a few weeks out from the election. Do any of the panel members have any confidence that Christopher Lux and Nicola Willis will overturn this? Or will they think, you know, in their, you know, woke wonderfulness that the sopping wet trousers they've got from standing in their own puddle all day, do you think they'll overturn this? Because I don't. Of course not. Of course not. Did they vote on it? Well, you know, they've got a majority in the Labour Party, so they can just shove that through under urgency. It goes to the third reading next week when I'm sure it'll be passed. There's been no coverage of any of their comment, though, in the media that I've seen up to this point that we're talking about it. They're in on it. The mainstream media are in on it. This will be the only thing, this will be the issue that only Reality Check radio covers, because the others are in on it. Who is this Karen McNulty, this creepy stare? John Ansel knows who he is. I've seen their interaction. Or should I say, Karen knows who John Ansel is? But what's his background? I know nothing about him. I know he's wired it up, but, you know, and he's got a beard. I know that. He wears shoes that are too big for him. I know that. He was so, he was one of those. He first came to my attention when they were pushing the Vax really hard to the young, you know, bribing them with candy floss and stuff like that. Remember those days in 2020? And Karen was right behind that kind of thing. Hence him getting assaulted by, not assaulted. Acosted is the word by John Ansel, which was rather lovely. Outside his caravan. Yeah, his, well, bus, whatever it was. His claim to fame is that he was a bookie for the TAB. Yeah, Bachelor of Arts. Yeah. His master's thesis was titled The Role of Political Positioning in Party Performance in the 2008 general, New Zealand general election. Oh, I wonder what position he took. Missionary. And it's reported that he was involved in the absconding of press gallery drinks in the boot of a car at some point. Man, there's something about a stair that just bothers me. You can watch him next time he's being, he opens his eyes real wide and doesn't blink. Maybe it's the PCP or something like that. Magic mushrooms. Well, the people that buy a wrapper like him, obviously. Dun-dun-ding-ding-ding. One can only hope that very few 16 year olds will take much of it and interest in local body politics. It's quite difficult to do even as an adult. But what happens, let's say all that goes through. There's an election which is a close run thing and it's determined by 16 year olds. How does the country cope with that? Well, how does the local body elections, the council's cope with that when you've got screaming 16 year olds throwing a pill. But people don't vote in local body elections so we don't have to worry about that. But at a national scale. Well, they haven't implemented that, but you just... No, but they will, right? They will. Absolutely. They're addicted to increasing their little group of controlled automatons by any means possible. So, you know, just like they're addicted to new taxes, they'll do this, they'll roll this out across the country and then we'll have 16 year olds not only blocking up the streets on school days, but they'll also be voting and causing complete mayhem in the electorate. Okay, we've got anything more to say about that. Just watch the space and we'll have to vote it when they try and put it out to the general election. A whole lot of kids recently won a court case in Montana blocking development because of its implications with climate change. So that's the next step. Yeah. And it's been cheered and it's set a precedent. That's come in here, you know, so. Come into a country near you. Yeah, child soldiers. Okay. Child climate soldiers. Where do we go next? Well, you know, stay local with air. I think, you know, we had last week, the government's, you know, telling us that they're going to take GST off fresh fruit and vegetables and, you know, we're going to implement that. And frozen. Don't need the frozen. Yeah, but in 2026 is when they're going to do that. So it was an announcement of a potential announcement. They didn't know anything about how it was going to work. And here we are seven days later and they've just announced, they just announced yesterday that they're going to put a 12 cents a litre tax on fuel so that they can build 20 billion dollars of new roads, cycleways and other things that they've never delivered in their entire time and in the last six years. But here we are. We're going to whack a new tax on for you all. And they announced it without even a shred of sort of shame or self-consciousness that the $5 a week savings from GST has now just been wiped out if you fill your fuel tank up each week because a 12 cents a litre tax, of course is $6 for a 50 litre tank to fill up $6 extra in tax. And then they'll whack GST on top of that as well. So your savings from their GST policy have been wiped out and then some by these clowns. Yeah, I mean, they may as well just leave food alone. Why the obsession with roads? Why are they so obsessed with roads, all of these people? Because they like cars. But they hate cars, but the Labour Party knows that they're on a losing proposition, particularly in Auckland when the reality is the only way you can get around this place is by using cars and cars use roads and even your gay little electric vehicles need roads to operate on. But we've got roads. Yes, exactly. But we need bigger roads, particularly in Auckland. We need more roads. I mean, has anybody ever tried to get through the Green Lane roundabout at five o'clock? Yeah, it's impossible. It's bad at three o'clock. Yeah, but people say to me, can you come to a meeting in town at three o'clock in March? No, that'll be no. My meetings occur between 10 and two and even the two o'clock one. I'd really like that to be at one so I can get out of the place. Going into town, most Aucklanders want to go into town like they want to catch cancer. Yeah, they're very expensive, though, roads, and we don't have much disposable as a country at the moment. Do you know what's more expensive than roads? Tell me. Trains. And nobody uses them. They want to have these pipe dreams of light rail to Albany, where they couldn't even build light rail to Mount Roscoe. But apparently, we're going to have light rail to Albany. We're going to poke some tunnels through under the harbour, put light rail, and everyone's going to take it. No, they won't, because they don't do it. They're always saying they're going to do things, especially in election year, and they don't do them, do they, because they're too incompetent and they don't know. They just don't seem to give us anything that's useful. How about 20 billion on the health system? Build some new hospitals. Get that sorted out. Well, instead of spending the billion... I'd much rather have that than roads. Didn't I? Yeah, but you come from Wellington, so you're going to say this. No, I've spent five years in Auckland. I'm across it, I know. But it's where you spend your money when you don't have much of it. Well, there's a whole lot of things that are what have seen maybe, so they spent billions upon billions upon billions of dollars on the COVID Recovery Fund. They could have built a... They're still promising they're going to build... $500 million on rat tests, remember? $500 million on rat tests, billions on all that stuff. They promised a new hospital for Dunedin. It's still in the ground. It hasn't even started. You've got... I understand Labour is about to announce another new hospital. You know, where's all this coming from? We're actually a poor nation now, not a rich nation, and they're spending like they're a rich nation. It's ridiculous. And also, they don't have the staff to populate hospitals. They're struggling to fill the ones we've got, and that'd be better off looking at the causes, or, shall we say, the main cause, of why our hospitals are clogged with sick people with all these... I wonder what that could be. What might that be, Cam? What happened in the last three years that maybe... The mystery. That was a bit different. A bit a little bit different, and then, you know, we forced people to take that, and... Did you think that's got anything? Candy floss for the kids. KFC, that worked to treat in South Auckland. KFC for some jabs. They'll always do it. All right, so that's another thing that we'll never be. Can we go to America now? Oh, you love America, Olivia. I know. Yeah, go to America. Let's go to America now. Let's go. Well, I mean, it's just so... It's just the ongoing saga of you guys... You think we've got problems, right? You think, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, this is the country you want to see them rectified in, and if they're not rectified there, then there's not much hope for us all. But, you know, the saga continues with Trump's indictment, 4.0, despiteful and malignant lawfare against Trump continues now, and with 17 others, including Mark Meadows, who was Trump's last chief of staff, Rudy Giuliani, who everyone loves to hate, although he was a formidable... America's mayor. Yeah, America's mayor. And that great female lawyer, Sydney Powell, who, you know, had an incredible record as an appeals lawyer. So they've all been indicted, 17 of them, along with Trump and Georgia, on reco-charges. Well, they're the mafia. They're the mafia, don't you know? Yeah, so it's just bizarre, isn't it? Because since apparently there was this grand conspiracy to overthrow the freest and fairest election that America's ever had, you know? So nobody's ever actually seen reco used in this way before, so it's been quite a shock to lawyers looking on. And media are making much of the very small irony that Giuliani used the legislation to, you know, successfully go after the New York mafia, the five families, the Salerno's, I think, were the top then. And now it's been used on himself. So you're hearing a lot of this, he's been hoisted on his own, petard kind of stuff toward poor old Rudy. But the only irony really worth mentioning in this vein is that Trump and the other 17 brave souls who kept asserting that the 2020 election fraud happened in an extremely widespread way that is still not understood by the average American voter. It was industrial level fraud, every which way that votes could be defrauded, they were defrauded from dead people on the voting registrars through to USB cards, flipping the votes on the machines at precinct level. It was a very wide net cast in the six battleground states for fraud and Georgia was the most obvious, I think, because it was so caught on film. Remember, the suitcases being pulled up from under the table. How can you even explain that away? You know, while the Republican scrutineers were sent home, and then there was a water that's state farm arena. The anyway, it just goes on or the Water League, the Water League at State Farm Arena, yeah, which was nothing more than a leaky urinal, urinal, however you say that word. So you actually have a crime family here, the Biden crime family getting Trump and those other brave souls standing with him on RICO charges. And just to remind everybody that RICO stands for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organisations Act. So seriously, the whole White House and intelligence agencies should be put on RICO charges for protecting a crime family with its boss, you know, the big guy still walking around snorting coke with dementia and pretending that he's a president, you know, but no, they're going after the clean president who actually won the election. Well, did you hear Glenn Beck saying that there are basically two main reasons that they were doing this? And, you know, Trump's facing ninety one federal charges. Remember, seven hundred years in prison, although they did take that. But he said the main thing is deflecting from the muck that's coming out on the Biden crime family to keep that out of the news. And the second the second one is just as a caution to anyone who wants to mess with them, you know, if we can do this to an ex president, imagine what we can do to you. Absolutely. Did you see Jonathan Turley is an American legal scholar? Says as a first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation. Yeah. Yeah. When are they going to when are they going to when are they going to prosecute Fauci under the RICO? Well, well, I mean, if Rand Paul gets his way, but you'll never do anything with Merrick Garland as attorney general. He's just he's just such a war for human. He's got a creepiest voice. And he's, as we've said before, he's Biden's little bitch that he can stick on anyone and does with abandon. But regarding the RICO aspect, I want to say this again. Nobody has ever seen RICO used in this way before. This is a new one. It's a new aspect of lawfare. And Tim Palatory, he's a former Trump attorney. He was saying that on the upside, one of the things that really jumped out at him is something that they call continuity, where the enterprise on a RICO charge has to have some continuous purpose as opposed to just being an isolated incident. And he said that as this is an isolated incident, it's one election and it all centers around one election. It doesn't actually meet the RICO standard. And he believes it'll just be dismissed. But remember, the point is not to get these things properly litigated. Yeah, it's just to dog to take him out of play. But look, it was the same sort of stuff is happening here in New Zealand, too. And people don't pay attention. And just the last two days, for example, there's been the donors in the donations case that the SFO took against National Party donors, Labour Party donors, right? They've been appealing their sentences. And what people don't even realize, because the media hasn't covered it, is that the same sort of gerrymandering with charges and then how the cases are conducted has happened here where the Labour Party donors who we remain nameless and are suppressed. And one of them was a we can't even say what that person was, actually. They they all got off and it sees in the judgment from the judge. They all got off because the Serious Fraud Office never went and got an independent valuation for the artworks that they said were sold at an inflated value. And so the judge said, well, you can't prove that they haven't been sold at an inflated value. You've got no evidence to show what the real value was. So I have to equip them. The judge said that. And the judgment was that reported anywhere. No, not at all. So we've got the ruling party's functionaries and donors getting off on trumped up charges that should never have been taken in the first place because the Serious Fraud Office just forgot. Oh, oops, forgot to get a valuation for the artwork. It's the same stuff. It's happening here as well as the United States. And your opening comment, Olivia, was just perfect. If the the bastion of the free world, which is what the United States is supposed to be, if they fall, so do we. Yeah, especially like this, because they they were so adamant from their inception that they were a nation of laws, not a nation of immigrants, a nation, a nation of laws. And that was such an important principle that to see them become them fall this far. It's very much like we're watch. It's very much like the time of Cicero, actually. Again, I say that because you're losing. The national collapse, the currency is getting debased. The immigrants are flowing in and they've got no stake in the nation. They just want to see what's there. It's all there. Well, let's just let's just call this for what it is, right? Because you mentioned Cicero. This is nothing other than prescription. Which is what the Romans used to use when they made person and they made them an unperson and uncitizen. You have to leave. You're not allowed to have fire and water within the boundaries of Rome and you're prescribed. The state would take everything from you. They would deprive you of liberty and you had basically twenty four hours to get out of the boundaries of Rome, which, of course, we're ever expanding in Cicero's time. He he got caught on on the road down, you know, towards Naples. Let me think that's what they're doing to to Trump. They're prescribing him. They're tying him up with all of the stuff, essentially locking him up, wired and legal, legal battles so we can't fight the next election. Aren't they risking a civil war? Yes, they because this is constitutional crisis level. That's that's where they're going. There's no I mean, you know, they've had them before. But remember, probably remember the most probably the most famous constitutional crisis ever was the Barons and what 1215 England when they got King John to sign Magna Carta and he signed it and then immediately just just ignored it. You know, you got to second Barons war as well. Yeah, you know, exactly. So, you know, you actually you they're very stupid to do this. And in a constitutional crisis, look, it's probably what they need. But in 2020, that election was so obviously stolen. But look how far they're going to make sure that Trump is not allowed. No American will be allowed to accuse the government of fraud. That's just palpably ridiculous. It's anti First Amendment, everything where this heads, though, is the same laws being used on them. Yeah, well, that's what Alan Dershowitz said, right? You know, this doesn't pass the Banana Republic test. If you took this to its logical conclusion, half of Congress would be in prison. Yeah, it'd be the end of Mitch McConnell for sure. Yeah, yeah, pretty Dershowitz has been such a soft cock toward the left for all these years with his liberal policies and liberal aspects of law. You know what I mean? These people really annoy me. And then when they see the Republic get to this level, they're like, oh, as if they're on our side, they're not. Too late. There must be a lot. There must be a lot to hide. There must be a lot to hide for them. Oh, there's a lot to hide. I mean, there must be such an incredible amount of stuff to hide. And it must be very bad. Well, and this is the thing, too, is that Vivek Ramaswamy said on Twitter after hearing that the fault. Remember the Fulton County posted the indictment on its website when the grand jury was still convened? Yeah, I mean, this is like they was already choreographed, but they got the timing wrong. Well, that's that's that's the fixes in, as Lindsey said on his show that he got that bang on. And but Vivek was saying that, you know, Trump should since the four prosecutions against Trump are using novel and untested legal theories like Rico. It's fair game for him to do the same in his defense. Yeah. And so Vivek was saying that he should immediately file a motion to dismiss. And Mark Levin came out and said that they actually need to appeal to the Supreme Court to stop this because it's obvious election interference. Yeah, there's a term he used. What was the term? I've got it written here. We wrote it down. He's I mean, it's it's amazing the extent to which the the the Biden story is coming out. You know, they've got the money guy now whose name escapes me as well. And there's about 20 million dollars in bank transfers going to various the big guy, the big guy, the big guy, the big guy, the big guy, the big guy. The one with dementia and and yeah, these indictments are filed very quickly after something new comes out. So the next day. Yeah, bringing it home to New Zealand, just the silence from the media here really brings it home to me. How yeah, we're riding this all the way down. How secure are our elections? Oh, we've had this conversation. No, no, but you got to ask. You got to ask. I think they are. I mean, you know, I've been involved in elections since I was in Nappy's. Well, I can put this to meant what he said that it's right for a juicy hack just before the 2000 and was it 2020 or 2016? He visited here. Yeah, I remember that. Look, it's just too hard. It's just too hard because there's too many. You know, we we have scrutineers in all the booths. Yeah, I know we've been through this. I know we've been too hard because everybody in the major political parties knows what the numbers are, so they know what they are in the booths. They know. And so how do you hijack that between the booth and the returning? Yeah, but look what happens when you say that it's it's been rigged. Look, look what it's so obvious. The video is there in America. Everything's there. It's not enough. Yeah, but but Paul, honestly, in New Zealand, you couldn't do it. I guess you just get all the two major parties to do virtually the same thing. And so it doesn't really matter. Well, I read I read a really interesting document the other day. It was really, really long, but it was it was the discovery of exactly the mechanism of how they did the fraud in the states and the six battleground states, especially, and it was at precinct level. And it was the flipping of the votes on the machines. But we don't use machines. No, I was going to say so unless our system runs in that same way that they did. Yeah, well, Pam's explained it's quite different. Honestly, it's it's it's really it's real conspiracy level stuff to talk about it in New Zealand. For a start, you know, we we got too many people that that are involved in the process that no other people would talk about it. You know, the only sort of level of fraud that goes on in voting in New Zealand is plural voting, where someone, you know, I don't know, like Martin Bradbury and one of the elections was registered as Martin Bradbury spelled with a Y and Martin Bradbury spelled with an I. Now, I'm not accusing him of fraud, but he was on the electoral wall twice. Right. So you and vote often. That's the Labour Party's refrain. Vote early and vote often. There was a famous only hunger case where they had 42 people living at one address and they all happened to vote Labour, you know. So that can't be just one of one of one an electoral petition based on fraudulent plural votes in in who know. I still live there. But, Cam, would you say that it's impossible in New Zealand? Or would you just say it was not likely? It's very, very, very hard. I don't know. I watched up and I'm a film last week and they were doing all these calculations about whether or not the letting the bomb off in the atmosphere would set the atmosphere on fire. And the best they could come up with was there's a very, very, very, almost zero chance of it happening in the general who says, well, can't you make that zero? And he goes, oh, it's theoretical. We need to do it in practice and see what happens. It's a very small chance that it could be done in New Zealand. But I just don't I don't believe it's there's more low hanging fruit. OK, we don't need to end up with MMP. You can hijack the system that way with MMP. Yeah. All right. Shall we move on to the polls back to New Zealand? Yeah. And are we done with the US? I think so. I just I just wanted to say one little thing. One OK. And that was what Mark Levine was saying he was and we've made this observation before ourselves. But it's the process that's the killer, right? And they know it. And they're playing the process by unloading all these indictments by taking Trump off the campaign trail, by depleting his resources and by influencing voters. You know, and that's it's just a tarnish smear and besmirch him all the way through the election. I think it's going to backfire too. I really do in a massive way. Like his name recognition will be huge. People people like to have people to have a fair go. And they'll be sitting there and they'll be sitting there going, come on, this is this is unbelievable. We need to teach the Democrats a lesson and there'll be a bloodbath at the next election. Yeah. And it's as long as it's at the election and not on the streets. And the other thing is, you know, the Trump is an extremely loved president. You know, he can't go to a boxing match without being adored. He can't walk into a stadium without being adored. He can't go anywhere without people just swamping him, love bombing him. I've never seen. I've never seen. I never saw Obama treated that way ever. There is one problem, though, Operation Warp Speed, just saying. But maybe we should move on. No, that's easy to that's easy to. Well, it's easy to explain. He's still behind it, endorsing it. So that's a problem. Anyway, the polls. Back home, the polls, are they? Can you know about all the polls? Are they sitting about where you thought they'd be right now? No, all the polls are kind of aligning and it's looking like a National Act. New Zealand first across the line in opposition to the government parties and the racists in the Maori Party. I would I would have expected, firstly, that Christopher Luxon would be ahead in preferred Prime Minister polls. That the best he's done is draw level with Christopher Hickins in one poll. He should be ahead. You could have a situation where he becomes the Jim Bolger, the modern Jim Bolger who wins an election by accident, despite having negative favourables. He still ended up Prime Minister, but that was under first pass the post. I think National probably five to eight points shy of where they should be. This close to an election with a well, that's quite a bit. With a hated and despised government, and you can pin that down to the lackluster performance of Christopher Luxon and all his woke pals that are helping him there, Chris Bishop and Nicola Willis and all of them just totally wet and woke. You know, they they're moving around with a self-sustaining puddle that keeps all of their trousers damp. But and we're seeing in the votes that the people in the polls that people are starting to respond to politicians that are saying enough of this BS, we're sick of this woke stuff. We're going to start making a stand against all of this woke ideology, particularly the trans stuff. And you know, the person who's come out the strongest on that in the last couple of days has been Winston Peters, who's actually got a policy that says we're not going to allow biological men in in women's changing. He put it in a particular way, I think, yeah, yeah. He actually used the P word. He said we're not going to have people with penises in these in these rooms. And it was emphatic. And then he went further to say that we're not going to have it in in women's sports either. And if you are a sport in New Zealand and you are creating a place where biological men can compete on supposedly an equal footing with women, then we're not going to give you any more government funding. And I think that is a brilliant and brave policy. And there will be thousands and thousands of voters who were saying finally at last. I mean, you know, you had Gavin Hubbard who changed his name to some girly name and tried to compete as a woman because he was literally tits as a man at weightlifting. He didn't even rate anywhere. And all of a sudden he becomes the top, you know, female supposedly weightlifting. We're all sitting there incredulous, but these sports allowed it. We've got that the bloke who's who's changed his name and grown a pony tail and is now, you know, riding in mountain biking and cleaning up all of the female records and that it's that people think this is happening overseas and it's not happening in New Zealand. It's happening here. And we need to say no, we need to say stop. And it's the politicians that are saying enough that are going to start seeing their vote climb because everyone else is sick of the wokeness. I totally agree with that, Cam, because so many people they just want to see someone stand up for something that was sensible. And, you know, these boomers that didn't have a world like this had a really good world, actually. Before the next generation's really, really cocked it up for them. Yeah, they just want normalcy again. And all this stuff is so far out of the Overton window of normalcy that it's just frightening. And Winston saying that is brave. I mean, who would have thought that would be a brave thing to say? What a sad time we're living in when that's considered brave. But it is. And compared to Nicola Willis. Now, wasn't that just simpering wet drippiness from here? Absolutely. Well, that's it is it's they're they're wet behind the ears. And, you know, she refused to take a sensible position. And this is remember, this is men impersonating women in order to have access to women's everything, sports, bathrooms and, you know, everything else that women hold sacred. So that is to say that Nicola is taking a taking a that's to say that they're not taking a position. She is taking a position. And that is that she and national are fine with this irrational and quite evil cultural nonsense. They're going along to get they're going along to get along. Yeah. And this needs the end. So did Stormtroopers, didn't they? Yeah, exactly. Don't want to punch that tar, baby. I know, but, you know. What about what about the issue of Luxon and is it pink and the Tova O'Brien comments? He's thrown another one of his colleagues under a bus. There was Maureen Pugh, I remember, and he's kind of done it again. Not not not very good. Loyalty, the public oil and Simon O'Connor. You know, it used to be the National Party prided itself on people uttering, you know, different views. And the leader would say, oh, well, you know, that's just Fred Fred. We're a broad church. That's just Fred being Fred. But no, now we get the tut, tut, the finger wagging, you know, that. Oh, no, that's not something that I've had words with Simon. I've had words with with Mr. Pink. Oh, it's also heavy, isn't it? And then you get the cringy apology. I'm so, so, so sorry. You know, they're not sorry. And just don't apologize. They're not sorry. Move on. And the nutters will be outraged about something else. And let's face it, it was just the media lovies that were upset that the skinny little, you know, failure of it of a journalist and radio host, you know, got smacked in the chops by by a politician. Yeah, what did he actually say? I didn't catch it. I think he said that she gave the ratings for today of him, and that's what took him out. But she could argue that you could actually argue that. Even even Mark Latham has had to go from pulling for from one nation. And you remember the comment he made about the homosexual? Oh, don't you? I can't say it on air, but I'll send it to you later because it's just so ball bouncingly funny. And and Mark Latham won't back down. But I think Pauline Hansen had to send him on his way eventually because it was a shame. It was a real shame, actually, because he's allowed his view. And I I appropriated saying, you know, his description of the Australian Labour Party is a conga line of suck holes. Every opportunity I get to describe New Zealand's Labour Party. The suck holes, you know, but but this all kind of in New Zealand kind of starts back in 2014 when, you know, Nicky Harger wrote dirty politics. He tried to shame everybody into not talking to me. Tried to shame. Nicky Harger comes up in every one of our shows. He really does. He's like, and now introducing Nicky Harger's spot. He's got a face you could punch all day long, though. But the point I'm making is that this cringy, you know, getting people to apologise for something that they said or did in the past. That was all in New Zealand. Kind of all started with that. You know, I got question after question, you know, you're going to say sorry to the Prime Minister. No, I'm not. You know, I expect the Prime Minister to come out and say, I'll talk to whoever I want, just like John Howard did in Australia when they were attacked over the exclusive brethren. John Howard said, well, the exclusive brethren, they're members of their citizens of Australia. And I talked to all the citizens, but no, John Key didn't do that. He went, well, I mean, and that solves it. Just saying that, right? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But as soon as you play the game, they make you apologise, then they carry on. And then now he's apologised. He's admitted he's wrong, so he has to lose his job as well. I have said it's totally manipulative. It's it's it's the pussy-whipping of politics, actually. This this is a female nonsense is demanding everybody apologise because your feelings are hurt all the time. It's so bad, but it's so. In fact, that's what women have bought to politics in the last 100 years, is this really wet, whiny apologise that is now so normal that it's a shock when someone won't apologise. And I can't bear it. I don't know if you caught Marie Buskie's counterculture interview with Josh Slokum, who writes the disaffected newsletter. That's worth listening to. He's talking about cluster B personality disorders and how they're basically infected politics and it's infected. You know, basically saying the people involved in these in these things like trans rights don't care about trans people. Feminists don't care about women. They they they want to get a fight. They want to fight. Yeah. And that's where the apology partly comes from. It is from this, you know, personally, the personality disordered people that we've left we've left in charge of us and in charge of the media. And nobody I mean, do you as a human being, if I can see someone's apologising to me and doesn't mean it, it actually just makes me angrier. I would rather than. Yeah, it's worse. Save it. And, you know, an apology. There's nothing wrong with a heartfelt apology that you do because you're not proud of your behaviour or whatever. That's quite different. But this is just manipulative and weak and emotionally undeveloped. I mean, what he could have said is, well, what bit of what my colleague said is untrue. Yeah. Because that's what happened. OK, just quickly on staying kind of loosely with the polls. I've seen an uptick could just be me in what I would call the hit pieces. Well, mainly on Winston, you know, like he's engaging with woo woo, la la candidates. Is that a sign that there's a feeling of being threatened? The system is fighting back. Right. And they fear Winston because he knows how the system works and he knows how to unpick things. And they they want to control the narrative, especially the media. And that's why you see, you know, Hosking, Hosking's misses. What's Hosking and the misses got skin in this game? What does it matter to them? Well, I don't know. But then you have a look at Heather De Plessis Allen attacked Winston. You've got another piece yesterday by Hosking attacking Winston Peters. You've got Stephen Joyce having a piece in the Herald attacking Winston Peters. There's a concerted effort out there. Oh, absolutely. Richard Treble, Richard Treble, the guy who founded the act party, attacking Winston Peters. And nobody says, well, hang on, of course, they'd say that. It is a campaign, but there is demented as the Democrats. It's like acts banners that they put out. Right. See, David Seymour thinks that's hilarious. Nobody's actually set him down to explain that those billboards actually now look like Winston's billboards. And and all the people who see them are going to go, gee, that's a that's a good point that that nice Mr. Winston Peters has said there. And he looks so smart in that double-breasted suit. And look at that. Nice. My and look at that smile. It looks. Oh, it just he's just always a silver. Oh, I can't remember you. Yeah. And we don't get pulled again. That's a song that people know what that song means. Yeah. And we won't get pulled again. We're not going to vote for the National Party. We're not going to vote for the Act Party. We're not going to vote for Labour. We won't get pulled again. We'll vote for you, Winston. And that's what David Seymour has failed to understand and by attacking Winston Peters. We can't run a country if you're that dumb, can you? But also that what's her name? I'm sorry, the blonde with the Kate Hawksby. Her her hit pieces that she keeps doing. That's that's that's pure. Oh, that's our year. That's the Mrs. They sound remarkably similar, isn't it? Like she's it's it's a lot of those two have got the same voices. But it's the same thing when you see on on Twitter or X, as it's called now, where somebody says something positive about Winston Peters and you get some fool who comes in with. He he was the one who selected that one. They ignore that four hundred and forty thousand national party voters from twenty seventeen all ticked the Labour Party. Is that media programming? Is that media programming? Well, people say that because it's almost like line word for word. No, it's national party programming. OK, they they have this pathological hatred of Winston Peters, no matter what. And they will say things like insane things like, oh, well, he selected Jacinda Ardern. And then if you challenge them and you say, well, OK, on that basis, did Winston Peters select Jim Bolger in 1996? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was a coalition negotiation. This is the insanity of the thinking of these people who are hostile. They come out with these lines. And then when you actually point out some salient facts to them, then they just resort to, oh, well, he just tells lies. Well, well, so does every politician. That other that interview you did, you did with Lee Donahue, right? Yeah, all of the redacted in the first candidate was was really revealing in terms of the degree to which that decision was shared among the board and the members and Winston Peters. I hadn't thought of that. It's like, well, these are the guys that's their party. It's not like he's making an arbitrary decision by himself. And that's exactly right. And people say, oh, he selected. He chose no, the caucus got together, the board got together. And they decided that, well, Bill English didn't have anything to offer. He wasn't negotiating. This is the best deal that we can get for our voters. And that's how it happened. Yeah, surely the thing to come out of that is that one side was were very bad negotiators to Bill English was negotiation. Yeah, you blew it, man. No, what do you say, Marty? Bill English could fall into a bucket of tits and come up sucking his thumb. I said that about Luxembourg, I guess it could. I rate Bill English a bit more. We've run for quite some time, and I know we've got other issues that we're going to have to be very kind of selective in the duration we have left. Have we got anything more to say about the fallout from the BlackRock deal? Is there anything to say about that? I haven't. It's not a deal for a start. It was an announcement of an announcement that BlackRock was going to set up a fund. And Hipkins had to admit that under question. He said, oh, no, it's just an announcement. Yeah, it's an announcement. But the thing the thing I'd say about that, and I've said it before, is that the amount that that fund is about two billion is about what it's going to cost us to pay for our agricultural emissions every single year. Thanks to James Shaw mincing around the world and begging for them to be included, despite the fact they're not in the Paris Accord. So, you know, rather than just take our good luck that we've got 80 percent plus renewables and, yeah, we're going to pay a bit less. They've got this, oh, we've got to do our part, you know, most of our agricultural. So if we hadn't done that, we would have been able to use our own money to get to 100 percent rather than getting a sleeve caught in this. This is putting into perspective, Marty, right? You're right. You're saying this fund, it's tiny. BlackRock is worth ten trillion dollars. Now, trillion sounds like billion, right? But there's a difference. A billion dollars is one thousand million dollars. A trillion is a million million dollars. Yeah. So they've got ten million million dollars and they're putting two thousand million dollars into a fund, which it's Big Mac's chips and a Coke to those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Everything we do for climate somehow has to involve shackling our descendants with debt to bankers who print the money. We don't want to be first. We shouldn't be first at anything other than the Rugby World Cup. We shouldn't be first, right? We should be maybe fast followers, but never first, especially on things like climate change, because we'll just be bigger ourselves trying to say we're first. Well, our settings are on the worst case scenario still, as I understand it. You know, the predictions for the warming have gone backwards, despite the global boiling period, but we haven't adjusted our settings. Can I plant my pineapples and mangoes yet? Well, I mean, you know, when you say fast follower, I think we're going to be fast following Sri Lanka. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll be fast following Germany without their power going up 500 percent because that's where the money is going to come from. It's going to be power prices skyrocketing. You know how we could lower our power prices? This built a couple more cold power plants and dig the coal that we've already got here so we don't actually have to buy it off to Indonesia. I tell you, I mean, you know, the days we used to fill up your trailers down at Huntley, come back, stick it in the, you know, that was my job with dad. I love doing that. Stick it in the bunker. Yeah, the bunker with the little thing that lifts up. And I mean, that held our coal in winter. And we used to get it at school. It was great. The coal guy would arrive and tip it in there and that would fire up the boiler and the radiators in the classroom would keep us all snuggy. And it's part of doing your chores. You know, you see the news this week, though, there was all the schools have been told they have to get rid of all of their coal furnaces. And they've put in all this electric heating and they were bleating. They were bleating about how their power bills have now skyrocketed. Like, yeah, who would have ever seen that coming? And again, they could have bought the emissions to just keep those boilers for like two thousand dollars a year per school. Instead, it's it's cost them. But it's not a good look, though, is it, Marty? It's not a good look. We're not doing we're not doing our our bit. Oh, we need to be doing our bit. I want global warming. I want to be able to grow pineapples and mangoes in my back garden. Apparently, you can in Southland. Oh, well, don't know about Southland. But certainly in Northland, it's possible. I know that I talked to a guy who does it. It's it's completely doable. Good. So get into it. Don't move that winterless north down to the winterless south. Might not be. Well, there was evidence that Kumra used to grow around the wire wrapper. So it would have had to have been warmer, I think. Then and that was, you know, so it's happened before. I mean, the medieval warm period would have been. That's that would have been I'll have to talk about it. It's just a coincidence. Yeah, stop doing that. You'll get put on. I want you to apologize for that, please. That'll be a ricochet in public. Yeah, I'm so sorry. So we might not be able to get to the other issue, April. Is that the Chinese torture? Yeah, the court case that the full and gong have bought. Oh, no, let's get into that. Let's do that, too. Because it's great. Yeah, it is very interesting. So this story came up recently, which, you know, I just thought was fascinating. Also quite heartbreaking, though, and I hope it does go to trial. I'll try and be quick. Cisco Systems Inc is an American tech company that creates tracking and surveillance equipment that is then sold to the Chinese Communist Party. And it's used to persecute dissidents, most essentially, full and gong practitioners. Full and gong are about the gentlest people on earth, but these systems are also used to track all dissidents, including Christians and, of course, Uighur Muslims. So the CCP use Cisco Systems, which, of course, has a 24 seven help desk troubleshoot. So none of these pesky little dissidents can get away. The help desk is run from California. But I mean, how flipping awful is this whole concept? There has been a 12 year legal battle filed in California by full and gong practitioners that and they were helped by human rights activists. This could have very far reaching consequences for all American companies that have sold tracking and surveillance tech into China. So Republican Representative Chris Smith, who's from New Jersey, and he chairs the Congressional Executive Commission on China, he has spent China, China. He has spent 30 years in Washington fighting for human rights. And he says that this case is long overdue and wrongly delayed lawsuit underscores the excruciating pain and suffering that corporations like Cisco enable by deliberately cooperating and turning a blind eye to the Chinese Communist Party and its inherent egregious human rights, violations and repression in order to make a profit. Cisco, of course, has denied any wrongdoing and has labeled the allegations baseless. But the U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Benzon, writing for the Appellate Court, has said that the plaintiffs had presented sufficient evidence to proceed to trial and that Cisco's actions amounted to aiding and abetting China's full and gong repression and had a substantial effect on the commission of violations of international law, including torture. So the complaint alleges that at the heart of the claim, Cisco designs the tools, manufactures the components and then provides ongoing assistance in the form of a help desk to the CCP and that it largely all takes place out of California. So anyway, it looks like it's going to court and now it's the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. It was reversed in a lower district court back in 2014. But the decision to dismiss the claims against Cisco and John Chambers, its former chief executive and Freddie Chong, the former vice president of its Chinese operations. So now it's it's coming back and the three judge appellate panels, July ruling, did not determine the validity of the claims. Instead, that they said that the full and gong practitioners had presented enough evidence for their case to proceed to trial in California, where it was filed. So, of course, we can give everybody two guesses who the biggest, you know, who are big funders, shareholders in Cisco systems like to take a guess, Cam. Oh, Black Rock and Vanguard. Well done. Go to the top. Black Rock and Vanguard. I wonder what sort of calls they get to the help desk. Can you. Yeah, I can you imagine not working. How are I calling for information? I don't see anything. I'm dissident. Now, stop being naughty, boys. Hello. Help desk. How can we help? Yeah, yes, we've got one in our sights. What do I do? Not on screen. Yeah, press this button and, you know, your sights will zoom up and you'll get a larger view. I know he's gone into a cave. I mean, this is just so unhuman. So I was so disgusted, but I'm really glad. And I hope this goes to court in America because it will set a massive precedent for all the tech countries that you can't invent technology, sell it into China and then persecute people that have their organs harvested from it, especially gentle people who do no harm. Well, that's the optimistic way of looking at it, Olivia. I mean, a slightly darker way of looking at it is it's a trial run to bring it here. Well, of course, they'll bring stuff like somebody runs the credit social credit system. And of course, they're going to want one for New Zealand and one for Australia and one for Canada and one for the states. And yeah, but that's why these things need to be prosecuted. And it shows you how wicked these big corporate overlords are, too. They really are smashes of human liberty and human flourishing. They don't care if you can watch the painkiller on Netflix. I recommend it. It's about the development of Oxycontin. And you can sort of see it's a really good portrayal of corporate psychopaths and just how nefarious so many of those processes that these pharmaceutical well, we know all about that. Is that otherwise known as dope sick, Marty? I haven't seen that, no. Oh, because that's about Oxycontin, too. And I wonder if it's the same series, but that was very, very good. It's it's dramatised. It's it's great. So was this dope sick, pretty grim, but great. Any last words? Oh, you know, I was interested in just saying I saw Winston Peters interviewed, you know, and he's he's really had his feet held to the fire, as you say, about Kirsten Merfit specifically. And it's it's given me an uneasy feeling at how crumbly he's been about the whole thing, when he could so easily say, you know, as we were saying about the National Party leaders, hey, you know, you know, say, oh, you know, there's always conspiracy theories like the WF is trying to control us. It's like what's so hard about saying, hey, they are. Our last two prime ministers have been WF young global leaders. They're implementing their policies and the media won't talk about it. What's so hard about that? And it it annoyed me that he didn't have a bit more ticker on that. Who was that, Marty? I was he was talking when Winston Peters was interviewed by on another station. Yeah. Oh, OK. Another another station with a smaller listenership and much much smaller. Just generally, a few other places, he's been equivocating of it. And I think I don't want to make an excuse. No, it's not what we need. And but I will say this about Winston Peters in the years that I've known him. He is an extremely cautious politician. And and for him to have actually agreed to have Kirsten as a candidate when she was part of another party. That's something that I've never seen Winston do before in 30 years. He values loyalty over anything else. And this is something that he would probably consider risky. But he's doing it anyway. He should have a look at those stats, New Zealand figures that have been released for the period from 1st of July, 2022 to the 30th of June, 2023. Which released, I think, this week. But, you know, they're showing that in the previous 12 months, we've had the deaths are up 14 percent. That's according to government's own data. He's aware of various deaths. Disabilities up 37 percent. Yeah. Disabilities up 37 percent. And what kind of cause that? I wonder. Yeah. I wonder. And even more, there's been a decrease of 28 percent in the natural life births. Yeah. There's plenty of material there where if someone tries to to bombast you into walking away from speaking the truth. In that interview that you were referring to, Marty, and Kirsten Murford, he was kind of walking that back. He was kind of like he was kind of walking. Her association with New Zealand first back a bit. Yeah, he was. He was saying, oh, we haven't decided. And, you know, they're not confirmed until September. It's a stand. That's a standard line from him. He needs to pull his socks up. Well, I don't know. You end up in a situation where you can make a really bad mistake at the time. You don't have to. You know, there's this talk of conspiracy theory. This isn't conspiracy theory. Just forget that. Like this is the risk that you take in in cementing it in early. And this is what is happening to the Labour Party right now. And it's probably exclusive information here for reality check. Listener listeners out there in that. Nacey Chen, who's Labour and List MP, who currently resides in Botany and is listed on their website as a Botany List MP. She was begged by the hierarchy in the Labour Party to put her name forward for Labour in East Coast Bays. And she agreed on the provisor that she would have a good list ranking. And Labour released their list at the end of July. I think it was the 27th of July. And Nacey Chen is listed at number 33. And on current polling, it's barely likely that David Parker will make it back in on the list. And she certainly won't. So what she's done is throwing her toys out of the cot. She's not going to be a candidate at all in either Botany or in East Coast Bays. And now Labour has a real problem because they've got a few short weeks to handle a number of selections for two electorates so that they can have a full gambit of candidates. Because if they don't have a candidate in every electorate, then the Electoral Commission applies a formula and reduces their funding. And so Labour's got a real problem. And the real problem is because they cut a deal with somebody and then released their list and given her enough time to throw her toys out of the cot and leave them in a pickle. And that's the problem we have. And it's even worse in smaller parties to do that sort of thing because smaller parties are really dependent on a whole lot of people taking a hiding for nothing in these electorates. But it's so very important for their funding from the Electoral Commission. Yeah, right. Oh, Labour will be able to find a teacher or a union hack. I'm sure they will. But but that's the risk you're in. It's a really bad risk to undertake if you're a small party because your potential pool of candidates to tap on the shoulder to take one for the team is really, really small. All right. OK, I think we're done. Yeah. Yeah. Another political panel. Well done and you have been. I want to thank Marty Gibson. Thank you, Marty. Thanks for having me. Thank you, Cam. Great to be here. Hope to be here next week. Always a pleasure. You're welcome, Paul. We'll do it all again next week, next Friday. We shall. If we're still here. Yeah, we've got a higher chance of being here than another radio station. RCR with Paul Brennan, Reality Check Radio.