 So a lot of clients that we have ones that are starting up companies ones that have been in business a long time and need to make the transition It comes down to office 365 or g-suite I always kind of joke and say the email wars are over and I'm someone who is a long time system admin who used to run mail Services in the 90s. That's actually my first thing in Linux was learning and building and maintaining Send mail and all the filtering systems that we had to build around it back in the earliest days of You know managing those locally at companies So I was a long holdout before I ever switched to and we currently use g-suite for my company and got off of a you Know in-house mail server and over the years. I've also been an exchange server admin I've set up the you know barracuda of spam filtering in front of it and all the things that used to take to maintain a On-prem server so your email was hosted on-prem those days are gone I don't see any value even these large companies anymore of putting in your own physical mail service There's some rare use case and one-off niche uses maybe but for the most part it's come down to office 365 or g-suite Those are the two Winners of the war that was the who's gonna have the best mail and like I said I know there are a couple other one-off still Linux ones out there I still maintain one Linux server because I want to for my one of my personal email domains But for my business I had to move the g-suite. It's the best way to get out of the spam Problems, it's the best way to get you off the spam list because trying to host it not on one of the big companies It's you get filtered and caught up in it. Yeah, it's certainly a headache that we still deal with back to the topic Which one should you choose? Well, let's look at them first And I am talking about g-suite as in the paid hosted at your domain version So the basic charge is six dollars a month businesses twelve dollars a month We're actually using the business one ourselves And any enterprise for twenty five dollars a month and as you go up in there They have a few, you know extra features vault mobile management That you get with both of these but a little bit more enhanced security and obviously like the unlimited storage options for drive now with g-suite It's all web-based applications, which a lot of companies like for example We have a client that has about 60 offices around the US each these office only have a handful of people in each one And they are completely embedded in their workflow with g-suite. They love it. They love the shared document They love the granular permissions that it gives All through a simple web interface that they find very intuitive and easy granted different the Microsoft methodology But they manage all their workers. They onboard them or in the terms of off-boarding them They can quickly off-board move all their documents to one place And if the laptop that these people have deployed and that's how they've done a whole companies as a series of laptops It's completely irrelevant if something happens coffee gets spilled on it Dyes, they just log back into a g-suite account matter of fact They have a handful of Chromebooks because they're just doing everything as applications and processing in here and G-suite if you get extensive with it You can build an entire application workflow that ties into the documents, etc To build it as part of the integral part of the business now. Let's look at Microsoft office the office 365 business essentials I don't really think we have any clients on the five dollar user a month Most of them go over here to the 1250 a plan and that way they're getting the full web and mobile versions of the office application So yes, they do have mobile versions and online versions much like G-suite has granted I'm gonna I really feel that G-suite is a very mature platform They've been doing it longer than Microsoft Microsoft has come a long way and it's gotten much better using their online and web versions They're actually quite good compared to what they were just only a few years ago Email calendaring files sharing etc etc team communication They've actually done a nice job on this with their new Microsoft teams Google has their own system To compete with it called hangouts and hangouts meet So still on parody with a lot of that, but this is where things get different The desktop versions of applications for PC and Mac when the clients come to us with the decision of which one they want to choose Well, does their software process have a deep integration with the software on the desktop as in Microsoft office Microsoft Excel Microsoft Outlook, especially Microsoft Outlook some of the insurance providers we have some of the Clients that we have they're doing health insurance or even doing some of the Vehicle insurance couple of them have applications that write quotes and look for the web application As a matter of fact, we have a construction company They all run this enterprise desktop application that doesn't just send emails It doesn't send them through the application It looks for outlook builds an attachment file Etc and does this and some of the quoting software we've seen in the healthcare industry same thing You can't work it without the Microsoft Outlook application. It's an integral part of the workflow Therefore you would assume and mostly true that we just give them office 365 there's a couple exceptions because they have only a section of the business that does that and They just go ahead and pay for outlook But still use G Suite because there is not through IMAP, but there is an integration You can do with an outlook connector tool that Google writes to bridge outlook in the G Suite and make it work It works fairly well But obviously most those companies we're going to lean them over towards the office 365 platform and Like I said, we have a big mix of clients on both now the one hidden cost So I said 1250 a month for both is where a lot of the clients are so that's similar in price except the spam filtering G Suite has some of the best spam filtering out there and it just works and what I want to show you is one couple big companies using it so if we go over here and I Grab stock acts because they're a local company and you notice how their mail goes directly to G Suite They don't put a proxy in between it and we'll actually Dig there's some other bigger companies using if you wondering if it scales for big companies Twitter employs quit a few people same thing here They are also using G Suite and it's directly there and what you'll see with if you use a company for spam filtering like minecast And you're gonna get the point here in a second You'll see where people redirect all their mail to minecast and then pull it over to Office 365 there's a lot of different spam filtering companies and Microsoft This has left that market open and I call it kind of the hidden cost when you have an office 365 account Please we really encourage our clients to do this is put spam filtering in there Matter of fact, we had a client that through their purchase we helped transition the company They were on G Suite We moved him over to Office 365 because of the new workflow They had with the purchase and the new custom ERP program They were using was all gonna be embedded with Microsoft Office. So they made the switch They couldn't believe they forwent they decided not to do the spam filtering at first and they're just like there is a Where how are we getting all this new spam? I'm like it was just filtered out with Gmail before Gmail's spam filtering is excellent They because of the G Suite and the Gmail product They have a better position in the market They have a large percentage of the email traffic because of their not business But personal use Gmail addresses are kind of ubiquitous. It seems to be the most popular email service I believe it's is by quite a bit right now one of the most popular ones next to Yahoo But I think most of us that you have a Yahoo address We have three Yahoo addresses because it's where we sent all the junk mail in general But generally speaking the actively used emails are in Google. What does that mean? Google has a lot of insight into what looks like spam and things like that It's a it's a game of volume once you have that kind of insight you gain a lot Microsoft has just decided That's a third-party product We'll just kind of say hey third parties can do that and so we push our clients to having a third-party email spam filter that's Microsoft friendly and designed to work with it and there's plenty of them out there And it's one of those things you have to consider when you're looking at the cost and not the cost drives all this honestly You know, I see people really hung up on the cost But when you look at it from what an employee cost to have or what other costs are in the business They're generally a lot higher than this but those are the kind of guidelines we have on there is whether or not it's an integration whether or not they're going to like the interfaces and What their comfort level is now the last couple things that really drive this are pain and what I mean by that is the Pain of transition so we've seen clients successfully pull this off and we've seen the protests so to speak that the users had Almost childish like if they don't want to learn a new interface They're used to using outlook and outlook has been very similar with minor changes over the years So you have someone who may have we have a position at this company for the last 10 years 15 years or longer And they're going I've always used outlook It's what I'm comfortable with and they're like we're moving to G suite We're sick of loading desktop applications and there is no doubt that Gmail requires substantially less support than outlook. I'll look as a desktop application. It's more complex. It's based on tons of legacy code You have people who don't clean your inbox up very often and think they can keep every email with every attachment Until outlook it reaches a size that becomes unmanageable search crashing and requires some intervention by One of our techs to repair whatever went wrong with outlook and start cleaning it up again So companies can make that decision to go. We're just gonna go Gmail suddenly. We aren't loading any applications on here We're gonna enter a workflow and then you have that pain that pain me comes a cost center for them because they have to retrain those users They have to decide Yeah, I've seen people threaten to quit their job if we don't keep my outlook and They're not maybe they will or will not follow through on that from a business owner standpoint You do have to then decide what is the value of that person? Are they so stubborn? Will they cause a disruption in the productivity which will cost revenue to the company? Is it worth the switch over here for the overall convenience of having everything web-based or can we just find a compromise and maybe Use the web-based version of office 365 because once we're not loading applications on the desktop life gets a little easier But these are some of the challenges. They're both good products. I don't have a Hatred for either one of them. I think there's too many times people in tech get decisive like if you use one You must hate the other etc. We support both in our infrastructure We're actually quite good at G-suite and it's earned us quite a few of these larger clients that do use G-suite Helping them administer things, but overall we actually find to be very Easier much and more intuitive to do office 365 still has some You I'm glad they offer you so much power shell in the back end But that also means it sometimes can be more complicated to manage and get certain things to function in there So set up and it does have a little bit more complicated of a dashboard to manage But it's still a good platform and a good product despite needing the spam filtering Which is certainly something that you know, you have to consider when you're doing it So my thoughts are yes, we use both both are good both are great platforms You just have to think about what fits in your business and which one works for you and for us It's G-suite. We've deeply integrated into our business Maybe I'll do some more videos on it But I have some figure I've done at least a couple of videos in the past talking about it It is part of the integrated workflow that we do here. 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