 It's eight o'clock here in Pacific time eight o'clock eight o one actually one minute after the hour So shall we go ahead and start? I'm seeing heads nodding. All right, we'll go forward. Hi everyone. How are you doing? Well, first of all, thanks for coming. I know you're all over the world right now and Catherine um, what is your son? We need a sign name for you Catherine We need one for you so that we can make this we can help it helps push me and The rest of us it pushes us To make this really successful Engaging opportunity and we can push forward more. So thank you Catherine for all of what you do for this group So also, I would also like to emphasize our code of conductor today. So would you mind? Well, let me back up a second There's a link Catherine. Would you mind sharing the link so that we can try to Get your so you can share your screen and I can share mine as well and I'd like to be able to share my screen or I don't know how to really make it bigger So it's it's quite hard to see so it'd be better if we did that If we had two screens like dual screens if you could share the link to that So that I um, I can share my screen and we can do a dual link kind of thing Okay, I shared the link in the chat, but you want me to share to kind of my screen because With the link. Oh, um, no, I guess Well, if you need to share your screen, let me know. Okay. So, um, I think he was asking everybody to pull it up on their own So we didn't have to share screen Yeah, because we decided that sharing Yeah, it's difficult because then you don't seem to understand that. Thank you. Got it now All right, so, um If you need any help with zoom or how to pin the interpreters or anything like that, let me know and um We need to you know, do whatever we can to make this better. All right make this a great experience for everybody. So code of conduct CNCS code of conduct is the one we use and um So we'll also put the link up in the chat for that too and you should be able to see that on the agenda as well Um, so let me know if you cannot Um, of course, we're going to you know, not do anything to um be offensive to one another and we're going to be respectful in our communication That is certainly one of our missions and our goals Um, so everybody feel comfortable with the code of conduct I Just want to make sure i'm asking the right questions and moving along before before I move along All right, let's see Let's see. Let me look at the agenda real quick So we are officially a working group now So it's official It's oh hhwg. So congratulations. Thank you for making this happen Appreciate everybody's effort on this and thank you j and company And for your support and leadership and um for the cncf support as well Especially uh kathryn for helping so much and um, I really didn't know how cncf worked very well Um and all the processes and procedures and kathryn's been extremely helpful So thank you very much for that and congratulations everybody. Um, and I am the chair of the working group and um Let's see. It's been about a two it's a two-year term And so um after two years, we'll see who's next and The co-chair is open so we can discuss that later And kathryn is our facilitator And she's going to help guide us to the appropriate people and um Make connections and no she knows everybody's names and all of their all of the uh information about that So thank you again kathryn for all that and have you been able to see the agenda? It's on google docs. Do you have access to that? Does everyone have access? Any problems accessing it? Okay, great All right, let me know if you do have an issue And um, I'll help you get in um It's as I said on google docs and I can always um move it outward to get hub if I need to and um It explains more of how you get your um How we're not sharing screen, but how you can get access to your um the information on your screen So next month we will shift a bit and um Accommodate people's different in different parts of the world We're going to try to um shift a bit time zone wise to accommodate everyone So it's not always hard for certain people and Looking at the agenda Catherine and destiny and I have um looked at a few things And we documented um some best practices especially if you're hosting a technical conference and um we have folks with different disabilities and who are deaf and involved in this and um Obviously interpreters are pretty key closed captioners are important. Um Where you'll have a central room for everyone to network um And how to welcome people to the conference We'll of course have a form online folks can fill out their accommodation requests and their specific needs and um prior to Because we want everyone to be able to have access to that information and we want it to be open source And so the other technology companies, um, you know, if they go to cc and cncf If they go someplace and they work for a private company And I don't want it to be difficult for them to know what to do. I want them to have access to the information I want it to be very accessible So hopefully we can set up a budget as we move forward And uh, I mean we can do that next year and the year after or not. We don't need to do it Um super fast and make a bunch of decisions on it today I just want you to be considering it as we move forward and um, just have that in the back of your mind I spread the word too because I really want to encourage participation in cncf and um Catherine if you don't mind sharing the link to that that direct link um On github okay, thanks and um if you're on github It's going to merge to the prp Pre-req, um the pull request The pr um, do you have a sign for it? um Milad oh pull request. Yeah, or um, I just use You know like I use a number of signs to use for to indicate full request um in america I don't know what the the the gestural Expression for that is I know a lot of european signs we borrow from them and vice versa. So I didn't know what the gestural Um word was for an international signer to use. I didn't know if you if you use something different Um, well, we kind of discuss what words we'll use and we use a lot of creativity and this is always sort of a learning process Yeah, that's the same here in the united states too um And also with python like for example when we talk about python um one guy in sweden uses um a sign for it and he uses like a three on the chin So I use that um when I'm trying to speak more internationally as opposed to we just use the sign for say typically here and use in the states but um for international language purposes, I try to use um the sign that they were using that they showed me So where is that? Hold on one second Can I just say one thing rob? I don't know Oh, sure. Yes, absolutely. Um, I just wanted to be sure for everyone the way we The workflow works right so we have A lot of input from we had a lot of input from Rob and destiny uh into this document the um that I just shared on github right now, right? so We want all the resources to be really to come and the recommendations to come from deaf and hard of hearing people um, so it is important for You as well because not everyone needs to work on a particular document, but please read through the whole thing right Uh, maybe you have an idea Or maybe something you don't you disagree with that you can either Comment on github if you're not familiar with github In the agenda there is the link to google docs So make a comment there make sure you track it so we can see it because right now everything is in in github Uh, but the idea is not for this just to be the opinion of the people who let that resource It is like one person or a group of person kind of does the main work But then you should kind of see and verify and it should be like we should have everyone's input So the question like the request now is like please take the time read through it Give us your opinion if you have an under idea if you disagree, please add all that it should be our Recommendation as a group not someone from a small group so it's important to have everyone's view because you might have different experiences or Maybe you have a new idea or anything. So please just wanted to make sure that everyone does that And with that particular resource It's a little bit more urgent just because We are making recommendations for conference organizers And kube con chicago is coming up. I know the timeline is very short but uh We want to share that with them And to see if they can implement some of these things because we're going to have ian Rob and destiny will be there and we want to be sure that they know what to do When they have a deaf Member so the sooner we can provide them with that the better And but that is the case for all resources, right? But I just wanted to really make sure that we get your feedback Everyone yeah Thank you rott so to answer your question Immanuel um The resources are certainly not going to be us specific. I want them to have a global perspective. So um Like some of you are in europe And you do understand asl better than um some others or whatever but um Also, I want to know I want the diversity of our you know universal sign language to to be here as well And I don't want it to just be you know us in canada are one little slice of the world using asl and europeans Trying to get by with We are or the I don't want to be time zone. I want to be time zone sensitive as well So, I mean, we've got a lot of a lot of languages and time zones and things like that going on So I do want to try to do as much universal um language and as possible and of course Feel free to add your opinion at any time. Give us help with the signs If you say asl is fine. We'll we'll do that Or um british sign language, you know, I'm teasing about that, but um, yeah, let us know. Okay, and so Oh, so we also want To make sure there's We have plenty of accessibility budgets for conferences And so we need to figure out how to improve that because I don't think that's in existence today So the whole point is to make it a great experience for everyone who goes to the conference for accommodations and whatnot How it is that we make a great experience. I think is key to everyone um and all of the conferences that we go to and we network at And really we want to improve our access to technology And people there is the key Um, okay tips to do google doc um I will make changes in the google doc and we'll do the same thing in github If you want to look at The agenda or if you also want to look at instructions on how to use github reach out to me on slack And I can teach you how to use github Or you can reach out to somebody else in the group and maybe they can show you Now I'm going to turn the time over to kather and I do believe that I'm done with my part. So Catherine um, you can take the next section on the list. It says it says that it's your item. So um, yeah, and uh, just I just posted the other github link there So, uh, Amy june was so kind to do some recommendations Uh on what you should do when you go to a conference that is not very accessible So, uh, I kind of asked her to do that after she gave such great feedback in our last meeting I thought like wow, this is awesome. I think we should also include a little bit of self-advocacy Um recommendations because not everyone may kind of Know how how to do that. So I think like we need to um educate conference organizers employers The community in general, but we should also educate deaf and hard of fearing on how to better Um advocate for their own rights. I think that's that that's that's a really good addition. So check that out to you. Uh, it's a much shorter Document same thing. It's on github as well. The link for a google the google doc is there as well So whatever you prefer, please read it and add anything that you think is missing or Whatever, right? Like we would like to publish that as well because I think it's very important. So a big thank you to aiming june again Okay, uh, and then um There are like some three lists that I would like to point your attention again um, so, uh, we have one document and this will also live on the website, right? We don't have anything published yet, but like we want these resources to be available for everyone in the Uh, cloud native and open source community and beyond, right? We do not want to focus We want to start making our name for ourselves at some point we're new, right? But we want that any conference organizer from any part of the world and in any industry knows That there are resources there. It will take a little while, but that's our ambitious goal And um, I think once people see the value in it, um, it I don't think it's completely crazy to do that um, okay So one we have recommended agencies freelancers and vendors and tools, right? So our goal is to help Them be it like employers conference organizers or so on help them help us or our community, right? So uh instead of our approach instead of saying like Being angry about things that we don't have right is Trying to focus on uh Or like the assumption or what we've have seen is that a lot of people actually do want to help right? But they don't know how they don't know how so let let us give people the tools and make it as easy as possible to be more accessible and to do that If you have like a small or a conference organizer and so on like doing the research for interpreter agencies or captioning tools That's a high burden specifically if it's new for you, right? So We want to make it as easy as possible. So let's have a list where we have like the best captioning tools several agencies in person virtual um Whatever tools that that are necessary. Let's make it as easy as possible. Again, all of this as is always going to be um Open source and people can add it. So not only us but other people um So it's really easy for Anyone to to to become more to be more accessible um And then we have a list and there are not enough people on there yet. Um So one thing that I would love to do is have a list of subject matter experts um For deaf and hard of hearing right so of course we want to talk about accessibility and so on But we don't want to reduce our group or community to talk only about accessibility You're also engineers, right? So and we want to normalize the fact that Deaf and hard of hearing are also part of the discussion, right? So um rob for example is going to be moderating a panel discussion at cube crash, right? So It's not about accessibility He just happens to be deaf, you know, that's kind of like the thing that we want to kind of have like these these um make that more common um and to do that I would like to gather a list with people their expertise um I know that the cncf pr team Was interested in it. So I would like to give this to the pr team so they can see like Oh, if I need an expert in x let me look if there is someone who's deaf or hard of hearing who can talk about that Can talk about a reporter participate in a panel Once it's a little bigger. I would also like to just reach out to reporters So I don't know. I know a few reporters on the tech engines street just because of my work And I would like to recruit them as allies and ask them like hey Help us, you know help help us like give deaf and hard of hearing a bigger uh platform right so um, but for to for for doing that we need to kind of have several People in here who can kind of explain a little bit what they can talk about right? And then we have a list that um um That immanuel started Uh about accessible tech conferences. So again there that this is more for The audience is more deaf and hard of hearing right? We have that as an audience as well If you have any other if you know of any other conferences Or as you know more conferences, please add them here Again, we want to help deaf and hard of hearing as well to self advocate to know which conferences to visit and so on so We'll be needing your input all the time. So those are the three lists. They're all linked in the agenda So yeah, actually lots of action items for the group today um, and that's For me. So I think now it's up to destiny. Okay So, uh, sorry looking all over on my screen. Um I do want to Re-emphasize what robin katherin said that this is for everyone in the world It doesn't matter where you're located You can be a part of this your country Where you're at it doesn't matter their language Doesn't matter. Well, hold on looking where I'm at um, the recommended agencies freelancers vendors Include them everywhere. They don't need to just be in the united states or in a certain state or whatever The conferences aren't just in the united states or north america, you know US and canada like rob said so I really really want to emphasize that so we want resources worldwide And I did want to ask some questions before I started on my part We need resources and volunteers for three documents um I will ask You all what's stopping you from contributing? Is it that you don't know how to use the google docs or you're kind of not sure About the content or you're unsure about contributing We really want to encourage everybody to share their feedback their opinion their thoughts in google docs So my question to you all now is what's stopping you? um Have have you looked at the working group docs? Rob says I have has everybody looked at them. Have you like have you gone in and seen them? Do you want to participate? Is the interpreter understanding my signing? Okay j He's like yeah, I looked at some of the documents a few of them I went through but um There's a lot of them to navigate so it's it's really that I need to sit down and um look at him more She's uh destiny says so a little bit overwhelming. He's like, you know I'm finding the right time to go through and and sit down and do that destiny says david Have you looked at them? Yeah, okay. All right, so Then I'll ask you what's stopping you. Does it feel overwhelming or do you feel unsure? Milad's chiming in but um Um, I actually have made a few comments on them here on the just for the workers. Oh, okay Milad. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, david. Milad go ahead and He's he says some of it was overwhelming some of it bandwidth and time Um going through and reading all of that finding enough free time for myself to do that So like sometimes I'll think I'm gonna do it on the weekend and the weekend comes and then I sit down and start looking at it and it's like oh, wow, there's a lot of stuff Here um, what do I want to contribute? What's a good easy way to remember this? Yeah, maybe I was thinking that we could use like headers or things that are easier to follow Like interest categories potentially that might make it a little bit easier to jump through the document destiny says, okay, so um If for example, I put a document with the questions Um a subject then you in slack then you all could focus on that and kind of chime in that way Jay said, yeah, that could work Okay Destiny says, all right, I'll start doing that I'll pose questions in the slack channel and then you all can just chime in when if you have time whether it's Big or small and then hopefully that will make it so the document doesn't feel so overwhelming Yeah, I was just really curious about that because I'm like I know deaf people are very Active and very much want to participate and like to contribute, but then when everybody was quiet. It was perplexing for me Okay, all right going back to my list. I had three documents. We need volunteers um from our deaf part of hearing group, so You can share your ideas, but we really yeah, we want your ideas your thoughts feelings on our culture Worldwide not just the us um If there is a certain sign for something if there, you know understanding diverse needs of deaf and hard of hearing individuals So that you know, some of you don't sign like just recently David was talking that's all good And we use the caption I've put information in that document myself, but I do want your contributions as well I want you to share your experience and your preferences So that we can all learn more about each other okay, so Practicing for successful sign language and english captioned meetings Like what we're in right now Does anybody have any suggestions anybody feel like There are certain places that you can improve to share your thoughts your opinions What it is that we could do better to make this work for us and flow more smoothly If you have ideas share it in that document Catherine, would you mind posting that that second document in the chat? The best practices for successful. Yeah. Yeah that one So just for everybody's understanding. I want to make sure that you all can see me But also hear the interpreters see the interpreters have the captioning working Whatever your feedback input is please share it in this document and then we can also Share those best practices with other companies So anybody who would like to work on other resources Rob, myself and Catherine we're just talking about documents and we were feeling like People weren't necessarily chiming in on stuff, which is fine If you feel like that's not your area of expertise or your wheelhouse That's just fine. There might be another document that comes along that is And that's actually it for me. So we're gonna I will switch to Catherine the professional channel and we're going to swap interpreters. So Uh, great um Oh Rob Oh, um a quick question also Do we need to have any discussion points on the slack channel or um Also on the github issue for the different issues on documents or um Milan um If you'd like to Talk about the tldr issues Um, we can do that to the summer if you would like to summarize that issue um, and Then we can also um Talk about pull requests as well Yeah, good idea. Good idea Yeah, so Catherine On to you. Thank you. Thank you destiny. Appreciate it Um On to Catherine for this slack channel information. Yeah just going back to what destiny was saying to um so First of all, if it's too much just See like just pick one thing and focus on that and ignore everything else, right? Like if you see something that's interesting one thing that I do So I've been contributing to doing non-code contributions, which just this is right for three years now. I think Um, so what I do personally I And you don't have to dedicate as much time as I do but from nine to ten I told my boss I will start to work at ten nine to ten It's cncf stuff and right now. It's only this stuff So this is this is and I do it before work because once I get into work It's like crazy, you know, like then I can forget about it Uh, but that's how it works for me, you know, I dedicate a certain amount of time doesn't have to be five hours It can be one hour. I think like one hour a week Like again, this is a volunteer-based group. Not everyone has to participate, right? We need people who are just part of the team and we need people who contribute but if you if you want to contribute and Time just goes away, you know, and you you don't know when to fit it in That's what worked for me. Well, I put it in my calendar and I usually do it Early but whatever works for you. So that's my strategy And so you have to probably develop your own strategies to to Find a way a space for that and but and also Um, we I know we wanted to focus on where we will need work But right now I think we should Not be distracted what we really need is feedback on the two prs because we want to merge them as soon as possible That I think they're pretty ready So it's just a matter of reading and seeing if you have if you if you agree if you don't agree Maybe it's just a thumbs up. You just put a thumbs up and then we're happy, but we I think I would be like the minimum that I would like to see is just like I like this right like some feedback And if you have if you have some ideas Even better. So I think let's get those two ready because we have two And then once we have those Merged right when we have them on the website because we want them right now They're hidden in github. We want them to be published. Then let's focus on the other ones, but um That um, um destiny mentioned we also need to make um progress on those You can also do both at the same time, but if that may kind of Be paralyzing Okay So talking about uh, because I know there is a deaf professional slack channel And I assume it is global or is it us based? I think it's it it's a lot of us folks, but it's global We have some people from like sweden for instance or england. So we do have a few folks globally Yeah, maybe there are other things and milan and other folks might might know like that are more um You're a bit like more you're focused on some things so we can reach more people But anyway, so we have there is a slack channel with I assume lots of people And not everyone sees every message, right? So you because I know we've posted there several times But I think there's a huge pool of potential people in there uh, so I was just thinking um We should do this regularly, right and then um Um, maybe instead of like hey join us. Hey join us like which may be a little boring Maybe just share little updates, right when we have our recommendation for Conferences like share the excitement. Hey, we did just did this it's published here Do you want to join and with the information? Maybe the video of the work this meeting, um But maybe do it on a monthly basis really, right? So I think we want Two things, right? We want people who participate in the group, but we also want uh to be sure we have um We identify more Kubernetes experts as I mentioned like that list is pretty small And I'm sure there must be people in there and uh Just having five four or five people on that list is not enough because everyone has a different Uh focus and experience. Um, so another call to action could be like Hey, we're trying to get Um deaf and hard of hearing people more uh more exposure and media and someone are you interested? Are you a Kubernetes expert? Let us know and get let people just sign up for that list You know, like they don't have to do not everyone has to be as involved come to the meetings and so on So I think that would be important to you. So I think yeah, if someone could post I don't know who who is hands up who is on that slack channel Okay, good Great. So, uh, yeah, maybe we could well first of all, do you like the idea? Do you think it's a good approach to do that regularly? Yeah, um, I I think it It's great to have like information central there, you know, so yeah, I think that's a good idea Okay, so maybe we can kind of just so it's not always the same person we just make turns and then like say like, okay Jay is next and then Jay post something and if you need help with the messaging or like if you're not really good at how to kind of I'm more than happy to help. Um, so just let me know, but let's just make sure Just as we do with social media. Yeah, just as we do with social media And I'm not like we have to probably post something again very soon We need to do constantly continuously like remind let's always about reminding people right all the time remind remind remind like until it sticks, so I think And Catherine, um She's the marketing person, you know everyone so, um, it's no surprise here that she's reminding everybody via marketing to do that So, um, she has that expertise and that experience. So if we need help we can always ask Catherine Yes, and I want to emphasize that as well destiny saying so, um If you're not sure how to say what you want to say, um, you can certainly ask for help and Catherine's always so great about it Um, okay, so I think that's all I had and the next one is Rob Milan Yeah, I'll let Milan go Uh, yes, I have two topics. I'd like to discuss. Um It's more like questions really I just wanted to wonder I just was wondering about a couple of things that I just wanted to ask the group. So first of all, um Is there some finances available or people interested in getting involved or People wanting to learn on um cncf Oh the kubernetes group What do you guys sign for that? We signed k8s Yeah, it's k8 k8 It's that an abbreviation for it. Okay kubernetes. Okay, great. Good. Nice to know that. Thanks. All right, so, um Who's interested in investing? Um, like in terms of travel expenses flight hotel, etc. Um on on that. How do we get involved in that? That's the question first Do I need to stop and we can discuss that or move on to the second question as well? Okay, the second question is um so I was thinking and you know Different people globally having a wealth of different experiences and Wanting to get together Maybe weekly monthly. However, we'd like to set that up or maybe just even one time for a half an hour To have a direct conversation with other deaf professionals like, you know, coffee or tea kind of meeting and you know to share backgrounds and experiences and knowledge create some sort of relationship and have some direct cultural communication and Yeah, and have that on a global basis. So I that's an idea. I don't know if everyone here would be interested in doing that um And it would be deaf people directly speaking to other deaf people without interpreters And I don't want I don't know if they hear people would like to join as well um, but maybe you could observe and learn some more sign language or um, it's just an idea that I think might really help in terms of, you know, how you sign technical verbiage or um just Something to connect more deeply um So those are my two questions and the first question about um, anybody know anything about the budget for travel? Okay, Catherine So you mean like for conferences, right? So this is the first time we actually Did that and well actually rock can talk to that because like he or or destiny because They both both got a scholarship for going to kubcom Chicago So, um, do you want to talk about? Um, there is a little hiccup, but we don't have to talk about that. I think it will it's it's all like Uh, gonna be perfect. Uh, but do you want to explain to uh, Mila and everyone else is interested like how How that works if you want to go to a conference? I don't know destiny or or rob destiny go ahead Okay, um, we're talking about the scholarship Okay, yes So I applied Let's see It was kubicon and it was for chicago and it's like november 6 through 9 i think um But I applied and it was fairly short process. It was not complicated and I You know told them an estimate of what all of my travel expenses would be and they gave me the scholarship and so, um Just yesterday I found out so um And that's travel and accessibility to the kubicon and the conference itself they paid the conference itself as well yes, um flights hotels all of that and then well hotel we're still on the wait and see Yeah, I transportation from the airport, you know car train or whatever we decided to do airport back and that that was it so, um That's it I think for now. I'm trying to see what else I can get I'm trying to see if I can get more funding and um Because I didn't really get enough. It's sort of a process Yeah, and we're we're in the process of learning how to do that cnc f is learning as well Yeah, so yeah, I applied I got some scholarship money and I was really excited about that. I was like, yay um, but um for now I'm still navigating on the process how to make it work and And I we definitely need a little bit more funding um For all of the costs including hotel not Get there just Oh Catherine No, I was saying I think there was like a miscommunication with the cnc f So there is such thing as full scholarships and I believe that destiny and rock will get that which covers Like well, you have to put like a number that you have to tell them how much money you need for the travel And if your number is lower than what it is then okay, that's tough luck I guess but so you have to make sure that you do that but I believe We'll figure out next meeting we will no more but as far as I know full scholarship is hotel and travel expenses And of course food and everything whatever is provided there, but you will have to If you do want to do anything else that's of course on you With the interpreter services that's something that's we are going to find out Right because we will create this document so that's one of the uh like Approach of creating a situation and then say like now we have to deal with it, right? So it's like We're gonna say we're gonna have three dev Um attendees here are the recommendations. Okay. What are you gonna do about that? So we'll figure out how that works. Uh, we we will let them know what we think is appropriate and then It's gonna be the first time for the cnc f I believe and after q con We will be able to tell you a share experience how it was But for that we also want People to come over and over again. So we would love for the people in europe to attend Coupon or apply for the scholarship at a coupon paris And then that would be the second plate and hopefully I think amy june said that like you do once then you complain about the things that don't work well And next time it's better. So it's like let's be there All the cube cons and it gets better and better over time. So that kind of I think that's a good strategy and we have to Expect it to be bumpy the road is never even right because like people make mistakes miscommunication They don't really understand the needs but but overall the idea is that the experience gets better over time My lack says that's very clear. Thank you. And destiny says I Just saw that immanuel posted in the chat that she gave a Talk last thursday on captions and then this Thursday is going to be doing one on ai and disability And he said that in france when your speaker Accommodation and transport are taken care of by the organizers of the event I happen to feel like that's huge for accessibility Because if a deaf person's new to that area, I think it's very difficult for us to Don't get transportation in place or figure out the bus system or uber or that kind of thing Especially, you know out of towners or out of country people Like if I came to paris, I think it would be very difficult for me to organize Transportation and try to communicate with like taxi drivers or something like that. So I think adding that To it would be great. I'm not sure which document to add that to but I think conferences Yeah, it should add transportation to it. I personally think that for accessibility Jay Jay says, yeah so Catherine actually talked about that with the kubecon conference. I so I'm curious Because I I know that there's a scholarship, but it's it's kind of too late to apply But I was curious about going and then It's Now said we don't know about the interpreter set up, but we don't know how that all was working out So I wanted to ask about that and perhaps like they should Well, I'm pretty sure there will be because I did I did tell One of the leadership of the Cncf I said like well, there is all these things that we need so I did warn him And he said it's fine. So it's like but I'm just saying there is no process yet They haven't received our communication. I'm pretty sure They will have interpreters the question is like Will it be the way it's laid out in the recommendations or not so And yeah, so it's like I don't really know. I cannot make promises in that sense. I can just say that there is so far there has been only positive feedback from the cncf and Their leadership teams everyone is very excited about this initiative and so on. So I would be very surprised if suddenly they would say Oh, no, we don't want to pay for this. That that would be very Weird, you know, and it would look very bad on them. So I I'm yeah, and it would look bad But it's also illegal. So then there's that on top of it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I I did share some of my experience with aws the reinvention Oh, sorry reinvent this year That's going to actually be their seventh aws reinvent. They have them annually And it's taking place in Las Vegas Every year they get a little bit better and a little bit better a little bit better that first year They didn't have enough interpreters and they weren't great quality the second year got better better better. So anyway People fly into Las Vegas. They actually fly interpreters into Vegas Which I was like wait a second if that's the case I'll fly let's fly in my preferred interpreters instead of just rando interpreters Fly in preferred interpreters who I like to work with so then they are like, okay, they did that So now that's what's kind of been happening since year three But again, yeah got better and better and better. So I feel like see it. See if this is the first year It's probably going to be kind of a disaster But I doubt it'll be that bad, but it's not going to be your ideal Experience, but this is the reason why we created this best practices for working with deaf and hard of hearing People for conferences, you know, we created this google doc and the github doc so that They have this information and I used a lot of my experience from the aws reinvent convention so that Um, they have that information, but I want you all to share your experience too because you know Oh um, how important it is to have a knowledge base and not just my knowledge but all of your knowledge So then other conferences going forward whether it be cmcf or apache or data bricks Whatever some conference can look at it and follow that best practices and Know that we're all going to have a similar experience when we go to these conferences Nothing's going to be horrendous And we have you know our expectations will then be matched And if I can add to that It's like Hopefully because we created like a best practices It's going to be better than the first time aws did it just because We have no feedback not from someone who thinks this is what deaf people or deaf and hard of hearing needs No, this is deaf and hard of hard of hearing people Themselves who said this is what we need, right? This is why it's so important We don't want to have hearing people determining what you need You have to tell and that's why it's important that you participate. We need you to tell Everyone else what do you need because what my experience so far interacting with the cmcf there is a lot of willingness and whatever Happens that may not be Great. It's probably not ill intended. It's probably just because they didn't know so the Goal of this group is to educate Them educate other people's like about your needs, right and and Yeah, I have my everything all my interactions with the cncf have only been excitement about this initiative and positive so I feel very Um optimistic and I would be very surprised if suddenly someone good. I just cannot make I don't work for the cncf So that's why I'm not I cannot say like I can promise you x because I cannot I don't have any Uh, I'm just a volunteer as you are and all we can do is make recommendations And but my feeling is that they are going to be taken seriously Good to know What about the other questions from milan was I saw the lag wanted to say something he says, yeah First question obviously, you know booking stuff flights things like that. Um I think November there's going to be a conference in chicago, right? Yes, this is in chicago. Okay. Um, I Accommodations for deaf people for that. I'll share what I've learned And then that can be kind of for next year in paris We'll see how much we can Put together in the meantime, but I was thinking since that conference is happening in november. This would be good to have there Hey, Rob says we all have battle scars We'll have battle scars and ready for you and be able to tell the tale Okay, so second question I don't know What you all think about the meeting cadence Once a month of what time we get together and meet Um, is it going to be an hour? I'm obviously this is I have to get decided right now. We can have a conversation on slack about it, but Um start time in time. How long the meeting should go the cadence I did want to ask Um as more deaf people are joining the conversations. I think That's good. Um CMCF doesn't mind us having these conversations and getting together and rob's like no Okay, so but will they help? I'd like to help be able to plan For questions and things like that rob's like that would be great. Okay, perfect. Thank you Thank you for your contribution You're welcome I think our group is small now because we're just getting started And there's an there are other working groups that are like 300 400 members We're small. We just got started 12 to 15 ish but That's how it goes. Um Numbers will come as we get moving along and you know pr pulling requirements having uh the chairperson delegate out and coming up with working subgroups All of that good stuff will come in time And Our numbers will expand and i'm excited about that uh destiny. You have something to say. She says yes Thought just came to mind How does the chair work with another group? So I know that we have this working group, but Uh, let's say if melade is in a different one or a in europe or what's your what's your sign for hungry? Hungry hungry. Okay. Thank you for that. Um, if he's in a working group there Um, I'm I'm trying to formulate my thoughts. What's my question? Um, is it possible to have multiple working groups Under one like umbrella working group as the that has one chair and raps like absolutely Yeah, the chair can then help facilitate communication and coordinate They are they are not the chair to be the end. I'll be all decision maker, but rather help um, I'll also help with like code of conduct and that type of stuff, but If you want to have a subject matter expert in a specific area and Like come up with a working group subgroup for that area. That's fine Destiny says that'd be great. We still have the main group, but then you could have different times for different meetings um also working on one specific document and um Yeah, and then also trying to figure out all the time zones what would work together Rob says we can also work async on slack and get hub It's always easier to work async somebody just Throws in their idea and whenever it works for somebody else they can chime in their thoughts Yeah, that's kind of how global work goes these days Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah, you can contribute at any time. Yeah We don't have to feel like we're crammed on a deadline or anything like that. Yeah, you can contribute at any time That's good. Um, I know how that goes and I also know that we're all busy and don't have much time And we're a small group, but um, I was thinking even when you have like five minutes to be able to Chime in and answer some questions or do that Again, I am going to be posting questions on slack for you all to be able to respond there. Hopefully that'll be able to help us get more responses It's really whatever it is that we can do to help this group function better together and work together So I am perfectly fine with posting the questions in slack and then you all can respond there Both of the interpreters have a hard stop in like one minute and a half by the way Rob says well um Then before we close we do have a hard stop in like a minute and a half. So Any parting comments or questions? There will be a summer on the google doc and Again, I encourage you to participate Catherine anything you want to add before we close? No, just like I know that we'll share this document. Also as soon as cncf kubecon paris Form gets approved or whatnot and that information gets shared with us. We'll share it on slack Yeah, but the kubecon paris we can continue we can do that conversation on slack Just a huge shout out to jay from new zealand, which is I don't know what time it is there But what time is it there? 5 a.m. So it was 4 a.m. When he logged in so Thank you so much Oh, yeah Coffee snack in your face Keep yourself awake And and great meeting everyone like I love the yeah lots of interaction. It was a great meeting. Love to